Remembering Elizabeth Wright

Gail Jarvis, Lew Rockwell, August 15, 2013

Although it seems like a much longer time, it was only two years ago this month that black essayist and social critic Elizabeth Wright died. In 1985 Ms. Wright inaugurated her website Issues & Views to counter the racial proselytizing that was aggravating feelings of victimization and entitlement in the black community. The masthead of her website bore the inscription: “So you still think all blacks think alike?” Elizabeth Wright’s opinions certainly didn’t conform to the way blacks were stereotyped by the establishment media. Like her mentor Booker T. Washington, Wright felt that racial conflicts were best resolved by conciliation rather than militancy. This represented quite a change from the belligerent approach used by the NAACP and other adversarial groups. Ms. Wright believed that the shrill accusations and ultimatums of these contentious groups had become counterproductive. She used her website to encourage a more pragmatic, less bellicose racial dialogue but, as we would expect, Wright’s columns were ignored by the mainstream media.

Wright’s website is now dormant but some of her writings are still accessible and the philosophy she espoused can be found in columns by black journalists like Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell. The Booker T. Washington Society, created in 2005, established a Wright award, presented annually to to the person who best exemplifies the vision, values and virtues that comprise the legacy of Booker T. Washington. The award was named after Elizabeth and she was its first recipient.

One of Elizabeth Wright’s concerns in the 21st century was what concerned Booker T. Washington in the nineteenth century: the mass immigration of cheap labor from foreign countries. Washington knew that blacks desperately needed to acquire work skills in order to compete with the huge influx of cheap labor in the late 1800s. He also knew that a classical education would not prepare them for the types of jobs they would be contending for. Likewise, agitating for social change would not be the best use of their energies at such a crucial time. However, some of his contemporaries, W.E.B. DuBois and Frederick Douglass, were urging classical educations as well as inciting agitation for social change. With today’s massive immigration, vastly exceeding the number of immigrants in Booker T. Washington’s time, Ms. Wright realized that her black community will be facing job market competition similar to the 1800s but even more daunting. Wright put the problem in perspective with this comment: “Prior to the immigration deluge, native-born minorities were able to sustain families on the salaries earned from jobs.” While encouraging the need to acquire job skills, Elizabeth Wright tried to dissuade minorities from thinking that they could rely on government munificence indefinitely.

It also disturbed Ms. Wright that a substantial segment of the black community was fixating too much on Dr. Martin Luther King’s assertion that society must improve conditions for blacks while ignoring Booker T. Washington’s advice that blacks should make the most of what they’ve got; – in his words: “No race can prosper till it learns that there is as much dignity in tilling a field as in writing a poem.” Dr. King’s analogies of “mountaintop” and “Promised Land” might have been inspiring themes for a sermon, but they were ideals to aspire to, not necessarily attainable in the here and now. Booker T. Washington wanted blacks to realize that complete racial equality was a utopian vision rather than a realistic goal. Consequently, acquiring job skills made more sense than agitating for social change. Furthermore, Washington contended that with job skills blacks could prove to the white majority that they could be self-supporting. This would demonstrate their capabilities and put them in a better position to negotiate for a larger piece of the pie. This strategy follows the old equestrian adage: “Don’t kick until you’re spurred.”

The enactment of a federal holiday for Dr. Martin Luther King prompted this comment from Elizabeth: “The total acceptance of King by whites, confirmed when this preacher was granted a federal holiday, fixed for all time the notion that the path on which he took blacks was the only correct one.” Ms. Wright thought that King’s strategy would not only diminish self-reliance but would also encourage more groups to feel aggrieved and decide for themselves what was just or unjust. {snip}

Elizabeth Wright recognized that an agenda-driven media and deleterious federal activism was worsening rather than improving our nation’s racial environment. She excoriated black males for behaving as though they were still being restrained by long departed Jim Crow restrictions. However, she came down hardest on white males; those docile participants of society, too craven to publicly rebut hyperbolic racial accusations. Wright would be disappointed that the these unproductive behaviors of black males and white males are largely unchanged.

{snip}

Ms. Wright herself had no qualms about publicly taking politically incorrect stances; a case in point is her defense of Confederate organizations and symbols. She knew that Southern symbols were not offensive to all blacks but she also knew that the media would give voice only to blacks who found them offensive. {snip}

Although Elizabeth Wright was a very private person, I was fortunate enough to exchange a few emails with her. Being a fan of LewRockwell.com, Ms. Wright contacted me after reading one of my articles. As I would have expected, her brief emails were as insightful as her columns and my responses to her columns were appreciatively acknowledged with her usual savvy. It would take more than an Internet piece to do justice to the memory of Elizabeth Wright. She was never in awe of the power structure and never reluctant to expose faults wherever she found them. One of her especially chastising columns ended with this line: “Sometimes, it takes a lot of hollering to wake up the clueless.” With the clueless becoming one of the fastest growing segments of America’s population, we could use more voices like Elizabeth Wright’s.

[Editor’s Note: See here for Jared Taylor’s remarks on Miss Wright’s death.]

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  • Creepy ass crackers!

    There is an exception to every rule!

  • HJ11

    We Whites do not need any non-Whites to hide behind. It doesn’t mattr if they agree with us sometimes. They are not us and we are not them.

    • David Ashton

      There is no harm in being gracious occasionally.

      • Spartacus

        Yes there is. They are the enemy, and there can be no fraternizing .

        • David Ashton

          Would you exterminate me as a racial traitor as well as everyone born with a black skin?

          • Spartacus

            I don’t know, it is not my decision. But we cannot permit the very notion that some of them are “good”, that will be our undoing , and the death of our entire race.

          • David Ashton

            Oh thanks.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            A few blacks have done right by me. I would never be such a n****r as to refuse to do them the same.

            Regardless, you make some disturbing points. Not invalid, just disturbing. Sometimes in war things get ugly and our survival is worth more than a few good ones.

          • cancerous bananna

            I’ve worked with some good one’s fewer than a handfull.. The best and working one’s always seem to have the darkest skin.
            Good for 15 minutes but then something like b.o. puts me off…

            And I have an irrational hatred for Nigerians wearing business suits.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Not irrational. Worse – ones in doctors’ suits…

          • stewball

            So how would I respond living where I live and being treated by arab doctors and nurses and it didn’t bother me one bit.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Brittastan, lol?
            1. Was referring to Nigerians. Arabs? I don’t know. Some Arabs are whiter than others, not necessarily and indicator of competence, surely.
            2. There was a time when Affirmative Action simply meant that under qualified token blacks were only inserted into positions it was thought they could do the least damage. Like government and academic positions. Unfortunately I would argue that even this, in the big picture, has done almost incalculable damage to the overall quality and sustainability of our very complex systems.
            3. Lately, however, perhaps as a function of their insertion into other fields, there has been a drive to insert them en masse into medical and engineering schools. Furthermore I have little faith in the standards of African scholastics, including medicine.
            Just playing the numbers, there’s going to be a lot more bridges collapsing and medical mistakes if this idiocy continues.
            By the way, in my short stay overseas, most doctors, at least, represented the whiter element of the population regardless. Sans affirmative action I’d likly be a lot less skeptical regarding Nigerian style doctors.

          • stewball

            Ah but they’re Muslims and I’m not. What’s Brittastan?

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Perhaps I’m confused. Thought you were in UK. Without prying, where, in general, are you, dear? You are a female right? If not, consider the “dear” in a more vedantic sense and certainly no offense intended.

          • stewball

            Oh I’m most certainly a female. I am a brit but I live in Israel. I’d have thought that was obvious. Is the dear supposed to be condescending? I really thought you knew.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            OK, Brit living in Israel.

            Dear? Not condescending. Southern White male, flirt innocuously sometimes I guess. Works in person. And crypto-Buddhist. “Dear” is a very tender word and means a lot.

            Live in Israel, eh? Very nice. I’m one of the posters here who does not hate the Jews. I think you may have missed some sarcasm and local color type inferences, lol, in my past posts. In the southeastern part of the United States there are indeed Jew hating folks, but…with an unfortunate incident or maybe two, one involving blacks I believe, Jews have had it pretty good here. Never a big minority, pillars of antebellum and post-bellum South. My tiny drop of the Hebrew came from Charleston, SC, I believe, where an ancient (for here) community of Sephardic Jewry has lived comfortably since the 17th century.

            David Ricardo-like Jews. My Scottish descended grandfather consorted with them in business and they got along fine. Had high opinions of them. Scots and Jews and that money and hard work thing…

            Anyhow, I enjoy your commentary and now that I know you live in Israel I have lots of questions for you, but it’s getting late.

            Glad you are posting here. You stir it up a bit. Good.

          • stewball

            Well thank you very much for your kind words. I appreciate them after all the flack I get on here especially regarding how awful American jews are! Not my problem to be honest. They are a totally different breed to me. Not mad about them but then I wasn’t mad about jewish boys in England. Preferred the gentiles huu hand clapped over mouth big eyes staring. Did anybody hear that. That’s part of the reason I came here and to leave home. My dad would never have let me leave and get an apt perish the thought. He was strict but a lovely dad. Even so…. Anycase ask away.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            It’s been a pleasure, dear. Don’t needlessly taunt or feed the bears, though.

            Unless yer into that sort of thing, I guess, ha ha…

          • stewball

            Nah she said in the queen’s English. That’s not my thing especially here. I don’t do anything on purpose but sometimes I feel like screaming at this ignorance in hating people for their religion, colour etc. I
            My parents did not bring me up like that. Later

          • Spartacus

            “I’m one of the posters here who does not hate the Jews.”

            —————————————————————————————-

            *sigh* Can you please listen to this ?

            http://ia700209(DOT)us(DOT)archive(DOT)org/17/items/DrWilliamPierceAudioArchive308RadioBroadcasts/Pierce-19980808-TheLessonOfAmyBiehl.mp3

          • NeanderthalDNA

            *sigh* indeed, lol….

            I’ve looked and listened to a lot. I cannot disprove anything but in general I think it’s a massive rabbit hole leading to White genocide as surely as rampant libleftyism.

            Here’s what I’ll give ya. Powerful Jews in America (wealthy) tend in dismaying numbers to buy into the liblefty thing and in a way I cannot blame them. If I were a wealthy and powerful American or any other Jew and noticed folks arising who thought Hitler was onto something…

            I would brook no expense to crush them. Simple. I hate “Jew worshipry”, lol, but…

            It’s NOT going to fly, young gladiator, not here. Ever marginalized, ever impelling potential converts to race realism away. I actually think that if White Awakening takes on some form of anti-democratic bent (“democracy” an oh so squishy term, the true meaning of which in some mouths is indistinguishable from that form of mob rule known as Marxism) we’d be far wiser to examine the Italian Fascist movement, modernized of course, for inspiration.

            Sans WW2, the Italian fascists might still be in power now.
            Regardless, we have a Venn diagram overlapping in cause, a very important one. I’m all for keeping the differences polite and discussing them openly, like White people. Maybe even dealing with such differences in like manner…

            But again, not gonna moralize to you. I, not unlike liblefty mandarins, am not qualified, brother.

          • Spartacus

            “Powerful Jews in America (wealthy) tend in dismaying numbers to buy into the liblefty thing and in a way I cannot blame them. ”

            —————————————————————————————-

            You’re forgetting one thing – the “liblefty thing” didn’t even exist in the US before the jews came there. And it happened long before WWII . They’re the source of it all, of feminism, communism, integration, etc. And if we do not get rid of them, be it by deportation to Israel, sterilization, or outright butchery, victory cannot be achieved.

            And stop thinking about democratic means. That might happen in Europe, but not in the US . There, you only have 2 options – Secession or a violent civil war resulting in the extermination of one side or another . That’s it.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Jews have been present here since the 17th century.

            I’ll leave a longer discussion until the new stories come out.

            Talk soon.

          • stewball

            I thought you said you didn’t hate the jews. Jews have been in America since the 1700’s and were very popular with the people in the town villages etc for being honest and pleasant.

          • Spartacus

            Why wouldn’t I hate the vermin that are openly trying to destroy my race ?

          • stewball

            You don’t hate jews – eyes wide open mouth agape!

          • stewball

            Oh sorreee. You were being sarcastic. You do know that sarcasm is said to be the lowest form of wit.

          • Spartacus

            Shouldn’t you be covering a light-bulb somewhere ?

          • NeanderthalDNA

            That might get moderated, lol…

          • Spartacus

            Probably. But I will not change what I think just because other people don’t like it…

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I understand.

            Not pushing any religion, but…

            “Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
            ― Gautama Buddha

            Sounds like a precursor to the scientific method to me…

            Regardless, you let her push your buttons and rattle you. At least you were clever and unrepentant.

            You have a thick skin regardless, young gladiator.

          • stewball

            Guatama was right. Hail to the almighty Guatama.

          • stewball

            Why?

          • stewball

            You are a louse and nasty. There’s so much more I’d like to say but I’m not like you thank the Lord.

          • Nick Gherz

            A few blacks have done right by me. I would never
            be such a n****r as to refuse to do them the same.

            This is very well said.

            Spartacus often makes me think, but writing off all blacks is intellectually dishonest.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            See my response to him above.

          • David Ashton

            Not only “all blacks” but all Jews, all “dark skins” and everyone else he considers different from himself, including white nationalists who take another line. And “writing off” understates of what he woulld like to do with all these “enemies”. Honest, but homicidal.

          • Luca

            It’s a fantasy that cannot come true. Someone in Germany tried something like that once and with all his resources and control he couldn’t achieve that goal.

          • stewball

            Thank goodness.

          • Luca

            Based in reality and not emotional personal preference, I say clearly some small percentage of them are good and to the right of the Bell Curve. Why hate the good ones? It serves no constructive purpose.

            Any thesis based in hate, is doomed from the start.

            Besides, this is a Realism site not a hate site.

            You have too much good to offer, don’t fall into the hate trap.

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Why? Even God hates evil.

            The biggest danger I see for Sparty (who, by the way is VERY welcome, in my opinion), is that hot fires burn out more quickly. I’d hate to see him lose his fervor.

            And once again, I ask, why should we tolerate that 99% of useless blacks for the sake of 1%? And let’s not forget, even that 1% is composed of mostly of blacks who wan to breed with white women.

            No, we need not a single one.

          • David Ashton

            Tolerate? Exterminate?

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Actually, I advocate their return to Africa, where the Chinese are running things efficiently. I can just hear the welcoming committee now:

            WERCOME HOME Kunte Kinte! Now, pick up one bur-rap suit, one set of reg irons, and one banjo. Oh, you gonna RIKE it here!!!

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Just one other thing, Dave: All the questions about Extermination are going to disappear when the current ground war escalates to a higher level.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I think the main mission is to get the Truth about them out there. The real, scientific truth.

            The more Whites learn about the reality of our situation and the reality of racial differences, the less will accept it.

            It’s a herculean struggle, but so what? If we could even institute some kind of real meritocracy that would be a great first and perhaps last step. Along with prudent immigration policies…

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I also think Disqus is really messing with postings today.

          • David Ashton

            Agreed.

            It doesn’t help to describe all “black” people as stupid, violent or not even human.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Immigration levels from non or questionably White regions should be severely curtailed in the name of global human biodiversity if nothing else.

            Nonetheless if there is one thing I know about our darker brethren it’s this…

            Many simply do not respect kindness. A nasty will to harm is what gets the point across to them, and if in the big picture such results in them behaving, perhaps blood need no be spilt after all.

            Perhaps and who knows? Regardless I like young master Spartacus’ belligerence. If more Whites went there, might do some good. We need to be taken seriously and though I don’t care for the “naziesque” thing (alienates more Whites than attracts if nothing else), neither do I care to be nice any more…

          • David Ashton

            UK news-item (Daily Mail, August 10): “Secretary-General of the Sikh Council [supports] Home Office efforts to persuade some of the estimated one million illegal immigrants to leave Britain of their own accord…. His remarks are in stark contrast to the fury provoked… among human rights advocates, refugee groups and left-wing politicians.”

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Some “darkies” are OK. We all got our notions, but we have to start looking at what will really and realistically be acceptable.

            A few Sikhs, Creeks, some White Jewry, an Asiatic here and there…

            Modern humans bred with some Neanderthal.

            If we can just hold the line, you know? “Whiteness”, whatever it is, in my book does involve non-genetic aspects, though again, we need to limit it at this point regardless.

            I mean, I’m a very pragmatic person by nature, but I’m also very worried about our future as “us” too, you know?

          • David Ashton

            I feel much the same. I do not want whites to become a minority in the US any more than in the UK in a similar time-frame. It is not “inevitable”.

            The outgoing Chief Rabbi Lord Sachs has pointed out that a “multicultural society” turns each ethnic or religious group into a sectional lobby in disregard of the general national interest (Times, August 19) and discreetly criticises Muslim intransigence in this respect. He also attacked the government for failing to support traditional marriage. Of course, some will see his remarks as insufficient, and others that they are part of some cunning deception, but I thought they were worth a mention.

          • stewball

            ‘Darkie’ is such an unpleasant word. What’s wrong with black?

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Nothing. Over the last half century as a White, I have been lectured and hectored every few years regarding how I should refer to folks of subSaharan African descent and I’m beyond giving a rip, Stewie.

            To me it seems like some form of Orwellian duckspeak harassment. Blacks and White liberals seem to be ever looking for a way to ferret out evil White racists, use the language to passively aggressivley put me and mine down.

            I’m sick of it. I revel in using “forbidden” words. I’m weary beyond description of this “gotcha” game they play. They make the rules, change them constantly, and will always win.

            Thence though in everyday life I watch my mouth, I’ll be darned if I don’t sing my song loud and clear here, one of the only places I can avoid a lecture or worse.

            You should check out the newer postings. It’s getting interesting…

          • stewball

            Maybe it’s because of the names we are called. Any case I won’t hassle you anymore. I really don’t like it when you sort of tell me off even though I probably could be your mummy.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Aw, I’m sorry if I “went there”. Have decided to kind of take a break myself, cool down.

            Had some revelations last night while contemplating things and am going to pull back a bit, attempt some humility and leave off the revolutionary spitfire.

            You, dear, were not an intentional target, by the way.

            I understand if you do not return. There has been some ugliness here (understatement, lol?) and I’ve allowed myself to get caught up in it. Even the illusion of freedom can be a heady wine, lol…but of course with freedom, even phantasmal freedom, comes some measure of responsibility and I crossed some limits.

            Regardless, if you do return, with no dink intended to jew-baiters, I’ll always be your Ivanhoe even if I disagree with you, fair Rebecca, lol…don’t care how old you are.

            Apologies if I scared you off, hope to hear from you again. Was in no way my intention.

          • stewball

            Aww. Thank you. Had I thought you were getting at me I wouldn’t have answered you. Don’t worry about it and Romulus doesn’t bother me. He annoys me. I enjoy you. Later.

          • stewball

            I get to the end of your message and I can’t go any further. Maybe because I’m using my phone and not my laptop. Damn it.

          • stewball

            I do know. I hate it when Jewish girls marry arabs from what laughingly called the occupied territory. Besides marrying a Muslim they have a terrible life. They have to live down there. Are not treated well. Lose all their freedom. Get beaten and either end up divorced or killed by an ‘honour’ killing. What’s a Creek?

          • stewball

            I’m so silly. I also hate all the Jews who marry out thereby weakening the Jewish religion. I feel like ‘is that why six million of my people were slaughteredfor my religion to be wiped out? ‘

          • NeanderthalDNA

            You have every right to feel the way you do. I always find the Jewaphobe criticism of Jew’s as being clannish as…rather pointless. Jewish clannishness is a big reason you have survived as a people. Mine could learn something from this. Since “whites are the new Jews”, as I like to say, lol…especially important these days.

            Whites are the new Jews (and by the way I include most Jews in the category of White, especially in the American context). In the modern world we are blamed for all the evils. If we do better vis-a-vis any other group, it MUST be because we are evil – no other possibility. Here and in Europe we are brainwashed from childhood to hate ourselves, to condemn our ancestors, to be ashamed of ourselves.

            You know, in terms of the Jew hating thing, something I noticed recently, perhaps coincidental…

            Average IQ of American black: 85 (native African = 70, borderline retardation)

            Average White IQ: 100

            Average Ashkenazi IQ: 114-116, we’ll go with 115, eh?

            For centuries anti-Semitic whites attributed Jewish success to them being EVIL. Look at them! No matter how much we shake ’em down, they always seem to recover and make the money. How dare they charge interest! They must be successful because they are evil people taking advantage of us poor good folk. Average white IQ: 100, avg, Ashkenazi IQ: 115

            I listen to blacks and their excuse makers and I here basically the same thing – you whites have it good compared to us poor good blacks because you been evil to us and kept us down.

            Average American black IQ: 85 Average white IQ: 100

            Perhaps just a coincidence, but…interesting…

            As I’ve said before I have no love for the highly Africanized modern Arab nor their Africanized religion. I don’t think Israel ever should nor will cede the lands they won by right of conquest after being attacked. Some Jewess wants to go slum it up with her people’s enemy you SHOULD hate and shun. GOOD!

            Creek? One of the 5 “civilized tribes” of the old American Southeast, Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, and Muskogee, also known as Creek. Check it out on wikipedia if interested. Many Americans have Amerind heritage, Creek being one tribe often cited. Those who accepted US citizenship were not relocated to Oklahoma (Indian Territory) in the 1830’s and their descendants became a part of the white (or black) communities by and large.

          • stewball

            I don’t think that’s quite right. There are high IQs and average IQs and low IQ’s in every community.i’m average. May be brighter than I think. My brother in law is a well known economist in England but is such a stupid man. He drives me mad with his idiocy. That’s what I meant that brains and intelligence have nothing to do with each other.

          • Luca

            No one has a plan to get rid of 100% of evil. The best we could do is to try to eliminate PC Liberal policies which control too much. Then we could institute common sense laws aimed at a better society.

            You can never win the support of the majority standing on a soapbox preaching hate, secession and segregation; it’s been tried before.

            I believe that if we could allow for the deportation of criminals outsourced overseas, eliminate AA and all the insane housing laws, eliminate racial preferences, allow profiling, seal the border, deport illegals, etc we stand a better chance of creating a tolerable society.

            We need a strong willed politician who is not afraid to call a spade a spade. If the party won’t accept that then we need a new party.

          • stewball

            I agree with you 100% but not just for America. The whole world should do that.

          • David Ashton

            Almost exactly what we need in Britain.

          • Andy

            God hates evil.
            God died to save evil-doers.

            Even if people do not feel any moral obligation to people of other races, consider the effect that guilt over past genocide and race replacement has had on the white consciousness. Whites may get boiled to a point where they *just don’t care* about others, but once they have their own lands, with little threat from other groups, they will not stay that way generation after generation. It does little good to raise our children in a pro-white society if our grandchildren flinch at the word racist and restart mass immigration. Any sustainable solution to our race problems has to benefit or at least not harm other races.

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            I believe the challenge is how to inoculate our future generations against the disease of “suicidal altruism.” This is, of course, a task that already be well advanced in racially conscious families.

            It is impossible to benefit blacks in a way that corrects their deficits in any meaningful way. They are a failed race under custodial support, and we cannot afford their upkeep any longer. Returned to Africa and left to their own devices, their numbers would drop so precipitously as to no longer present much of a threat.

          • stewball

            Enoch Powell would be turning in his grave if he saw what has happened to Britain. He foresaw it.

          • HJ11

            I don’t have any guilt. Whites in the past followed their instinctual patterns programmed into all life by nature: compete so your DNA code survives, expands and dominates every niche in which you can live and prosper.

            That is part of the wayall life is programmed for survival and improvement. Compete better, or lose.

            Evolution within a species is a little like distillation and also a little like a foot race and also a litle like expanding YOUR particular DNA code to that it becomes the most numerous.

            A simple visualization about this expansion of our DNA code can be seen by thinking of a bare floor to represent the Earth. Think of buckets of paint: White, Black, Brown, Yellow, Red. Each one of them is programmed to paint the whole floor its color. All can’t win, so there is struggle, conflice and competition. This is natural. We Whites should be trying to be the ones who make that whole floor White. The other races are trying to do the same thing, whether they consciously know it or not.

          • I doubt God hates evil. He must understand it, though we may not, but if we were given free will by Him, we do what we do and then we pay for it. One not need invoke God in order to understand this.

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Fair enough. How about this? I hate blacks. No excuses given. They have earned my enmity.

          • Luca

            I never discussed “needing” them. I said it serves no constructive purpose too hate the good ones and the blacks are not the core of the problem anyway, the real problem is their enablers.

            Without political correctness we could deal with the black problem and many others. The liberal media, politicians, lawyers, organizations, Hollywood, and academia defeat us at every attempt.

            Check out my analogy above about the Revolutionary war. When you pick off the officers, the soldiers fall apart. Without guidance and support the blacks would be the same way.

            The current situation with the black population is merely one symptom of a much bigger problem, namely, the cult of liberalism.

          • Bantu_Education

            As this is a race realism site, lets be realistic – most blacks on the right side of the bell curve (knowing themselves that they are only JUST marginally on the right side and therefore would be insignificant “nobodies” in a truly colourblind world) use their white-given gift of education to become radically politicised and, as we know too well, ALL black politics is rabidly and venemously anti-white.

          • Luca

            ALL black politics is controlled by a white liberal behind the curtain.

          • Andy

            But it is true that some blacks are good, and just about everyone knows it.
            We’re never going to change anyone’s mind if we peddle patent lies, and if we want to save the white race, we’re going to have to change most white people’s minds about whether they’re worth saving.

          • Spartacus

            I know there are “good ones”, but that’s not the point. They, as a whole, are our enemies, regardless of what one or the other might be like individually . This is basic group warfare, you never say anything good about the enemy, even when it’s true. It bolsters them, and it confuses our own and lowers our morale .

          • HJ11

            If we Whites are to survive and stay on the trajectory that is best for us, we’re going to have to understand a few things and among these are these concepts of good and bad.

            For me, these terms are relative. What is good for Whites is good. What is bad for Whites is bad. Mixing with non-Whites even on a minor level can lead to miscegenation. This is bad.

          • stewball

            What about bad whites or don’t they exist?

          • Greg Thomas

            I don’t hate blacks or want to “exterminate” anyone. The word indifferent comes to mind. I just want to be left alone, free to live amongst my racial kin without being demonized a “racist.” As far as being a “race traitor,” that’s a bed you will have to lie in. Not me.

          • David Ashton

            Why should I “have to” be demonized as a traitor because I was pleased by something said by someone of another race? Like you I prefer to live among my own people and civilization.

          • Greg Thomas

            Well then, we agree with each other. I was trying to make the larger point that I do not want to be demonized a racist simply because I desire to live in a civilized society, free of diversity and amongst my racial kin. I of course would not consider you a race traitor for simply agreeing with what Ms.Wright said.

          • MrGJG

            Speaking of race traitors, your avatar might be a good place to start.
            Not trying to attack, just saying.

        • So CAL Snowman

          I agree with Spartacus, just because some of them agree with us does make them our allies.

          • David Ashton

            I should have included all the “subhumans”, “dark skins”, “jews” and “marxists” that his previous posts have proposed for violent mass- elimination, along, apparently, with me too.

            I set my rational record of race realism and opposition to immigration against counter-productive psychopathic ranting.

          • Spartacus

            There’s been lots of “rational” arguments in the last decades – against immigration, against integration, against race-mixing, against socialism, against all of the idiocies that have been perpetrated against the white race, most of them utterly irrefutable and self-evident, and what are results ? Millions of whites murdered, beaten and raped by dark-skins, tens of millions of them fleeing for their lives from encroaching “diversity”, abandoning their neighborhoods, their cities, places that their ancestors had lived in for centuries or even millennia .

            The enemy is not rational, and he wishes to exterminate us all, so acting “rational”, as you put it, is not a solution. You cannot negotiate with a rabid dog, you have to either kill it or let it kill you .

          • David Ashton

            Well, you can try a murder spree like Breivik, who is succeeding in sending some of those he failed to massacre in cold blood into parliament. Or you can continue to try political persuasion.

            Anyhow if you join your numerous compatriots coming to England, you may find that you are more likely to be on a “receiving end” than I deserve to be at your hands after my record in these matters.

          • So CAL Snowman

            I meant to type doesn’t make them our allies. sorry about that. I do not think that the blacks who speak out against other blacks are our allies.

          • cancerous bananna

            Its a different war when you have the upper-hand and you’re face to face with someone you know is beneath you… what do you do when you know if the tables were turned there would be no mercy and no outcry and no repercussions.. that is the dilemma we face as we try to co-evolve

          • Spartacus

            Our enemies would already show you as much mercy as they showed Channon Christian , regardless of what you do yourself.

          • Which are your enemies?

          • Spartacus

            Dark-skins, marxists, and those who must not be named . No one that fits in one or more of those categories is safe around me .

          • stewball

            And the brave white men brutally slaughtered
            millions of innocent men women children and babies for the land that belonged to them. And africaaners killed men
            women children and babies for the land that belonged to them.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            For my part I really don’t care.

            1. Don’t ascribe to intergenerational group guilt theories. Such have been used for nothing other than to hurt and humiliate living Whites, to turn us into weak and mewling sheep to be led to slaughter.

            2. Whites in Africa treated blacks no worse than they treated themselves for eons. In fact, I would posit that Whites, even in the bad ol’ “racist” past, often did everything in their capacity to protect blacks victimized by their own.

            3. One reason such White perfidy is always thrown in our faces is that we have been recording our history for a very long time, unlike the Bantu types. I have much less faith in “oral history” than I do in well documented written archives for obvious reason. You know, part of our shock at the actions of some of our more brutal ancestors is precisely the fact that we have kept records. Did serial killers suddenly pop up only when their existence was studied, understood, and documented? Of course not.

            4. Would blacks never consider killing others for their land and stuff?

            Regardless I really don’t feel their pain. I feel mine. I don’t care about their suffering. They and their sickening treacherous handlers and worshippers have caused me and mine enough. I’ve been preached to and indoctrinated (LIED TO) my entire life about how evil my people are and how virtuous all others are.
            I do not concur. I love myself, my people, my skin. If the choice were between killing every non-White on the planet or us ceasing to exist I’d not hesitate a moment, make no apologies for the sentiment. Not that such is the question, nor even possible, but I do not care whether such an attitude is right or wrong according to anybody actively or passively advocating my people’s genocide.

            I hope it never comes down to it, have serious reservations regarding the anti-Semitism thing, but my compassion reserves are pretty much depleted regarding any but me, my own, and such of the “other” which threatens to neither pick my pocket nor break my leg.

          • David Ashton

            Not quite historically accurate. The Afrkaners at the Cape did not encounter the warring Bantu tribes from the north for decades and during the Great Trek sought peacefully to occupy undeveloped land for themselves. They did not brutally murder “millions of innocent men, women and children for the land that belonged to them”. Afrikaner behavior compares quite favorably with that of the Zionists in Palestine, from the letter bomb sent to President Truman through the Deir Yassin massacre to the occupation of the West Bank.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            SA and Israel once had quite cordial relations…

          • David Ashton

            They did because of the Old Testament and Israel’s need to test its atom bomb. But it was Israel that let down SA rather than the other way round. The Jewish communists and liberals who campaigned against apartheid were not especially pro-Israel or pro-Zionism, and there were good Jews like Percy Yutar who prosecuted the Mandela gang.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Boy, Disqus is really acting up today.

            Great points there. Still I have no problem with “Zionists” if this means those Jews who support a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
            Tell me this…if the Palestinians and their Arab-Muslim brethren wiped Israel off the face of the planet (1. good luck with that, 2. my impression of what they really want based on their words and deeds), what do you think would be their attitude toward the West? Would they be more friendly to us and amenable to our civilization than the Zionist Jews?

            My sympathy for them dried up long ago and I assure you I am no fan of AIPAC. My problem with AIPAC being that Israel has quite enough nukes to assure its own survival and I don’t feel like giving them any more money, nor meddling in that horrific hornet’s nest any more.

            Israel should continue her efforts to turn her little strip of real estate into a high tech, fortress arcology with a maginot line ringing her all around. Close to what exists already, actually.

          • David Ashton

            I have said that the Israelis in their 1967 borders should remain unmolested, even though the area could not take many more Jews from the world even if they wanted to go there.

            The Islamists, especially world-caliphate jihadists, are no more friendly to Christians, Hindus or Atheists than to Jews. Jews in the west should stop supporting multicultural mass settlement in “white Gentile” countries – in their own interest, if not (also) ours, as I have also said repeatedly.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            “The Islamists, especially world-caliphate jihadists, are no more friendly to Christians, Hindus or Atheists than to Jews. Jews in the west should stop supporting multicultural mass settlement in “white Gentile” countries – in their own interest, if not (also) ours, as I have also said repeatedly”

            Yes yes yes yes yes! How could Palestinian Christians prefer living under the Muslim yoke, looking at Egypt, looking at Iraq, looking at anywhere else under Muslim rule? But yeah, one word in regard to “the Jewish Question”…

            ISLAM

            As for the borders, I used to agree but not really any more. Hard to believe, but almost half a century now…

            Millions of Muslims around the world would love to finish what Hitler started and if I were an Israeli I’d want every square inch of territory I took in conquest from the bastards when they tried to eliminate me. Not a lot of square kilometers there. All reachable by Jihadists.

            The Palestinians can whine and throw rocks all they want. They remind me more every day of American blacks. Hope Israel keeps what they earned in blood.

          • Spartacus

            Those were not human beings.

          • Athling

            I enjoy reading your comments and have found you to be an intelligent person. This site attracts various opinions with differing perspectives, some of which we may disagree with.

          • David Ashton

            Thank you, but I draw the line at incitement to murder whether by blacks or whites.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Noble, but unfortunately many of them respect nothing else. Whether serious or not, I think a certain amount of this talk is precisely what’s needed.

            I’d rather not see such happen either, but meekness is a sign of weakness to the wicked and it’s long past time to stand up and roar a little.

            Better a lion for a day than a worm for a hundred years. But I think a little roaring is exactly what will ensure a secure future. Prepare for violence, perhaps not resort to it when our enemies realize how serious we are.

          • Athling

            True but to actually see the extraordinarily rare ones that are endowed with common sense is refreshing and worthy of note.

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            They are only the exceptions that (maybe) prove the rule.

            There is no benefit to white societies by the presence of blacks.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            There is no benefit to white societies by the presence of blacks.
            —————————–
            Exactly. None. Only a big economic and eventually genetic drag down and degradation.

            I personally blame a lot of the West’s decline onto sexual depravity as a misapprehension of the “humanity” of blacks and therefore consideration of their sexual predilections as “natural” for all others.

            The tribe of Ham has NOTHING good to offer our people. Oh Hinton Helper, you were so right…

          • NeanderthalDNA

            There is no benefit to white societies by the presence of blacks.
            ——————–
            Exactly. None whatsoever. Only degradation and drag-down.

            Much of modern sexual depravity, specifically scientific analyses of it, comes from confusing black sexuality with ours. Not the same…

        • Luca

          I thought you knew better. They are not the enemy, their controllers and manipulators are the enemy. The ones who have pampered them, fed them on our dime using every program under the sun. And then hiding their crimes and poor performance.

          If you don’t know who your enemy is, you’ll never win the battle.

          On their own, blacks cannot create all these organizations and rallies, they don’t own Hollywood, media, academia etc. They don’t control politicians, judges and legal firms.

          If you got rid of every black, the liberals would focus on their next group to coddle and groom. Hispanics, single women, gays, the poor, unions, etc. etc.

          Without Liberals, all the problems we face could be solved by throwing Political Correctness out the door and letting Realism take its place

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Good points. Makes them no more tolerable to me, though.

            But certainly. Almost every black endeavor I’ve looked into, other than ooking out rap music and athletics, has had some self sanctimonious White liblefty slinking around behind the scenes, exhorting them on, doing a lot of the real work, mentoring them.
            Then they get paraded out front and center to show what they are capable of.

            I still can’t get those images of the Knoxville horror victims outta my head, however. That is a far more accurate example of what all too many of them are all too capable of doing.

            But yes, from abolitionist to the modern liblefty, ever has some self hating John Brown been ready to direct darky minions to destroy his detestable own…

          • Spartacus

            Dark-skins may vary in how dangerous they are, but they are all the enemy, just like the white race-traitors and the people that hold the leashes of all the aforementioned groups .

          • Glickstein44

            Yes,talking of the symptom rather than addressing the root cause is an exercise in futility–completely useless.

          • Aservant Inbabylon

            Agreed, but a rabid pit bull chewing on your arm still needs to be dealt with, and quickly. The dog isn’t at fault for doing this, it is his owner that conditioned him as such, but you will bleed to death or worse if you don’t take him out. Once this is done, you can then go for the owner to stop other dogs from becoming as rabid. Right now, we can’t get to the owner, there are two many pit bulls between us and him. So we have to resolve this first.

          • Luca

            I’m thinking of dealing with the owner before the dog attacks.

          • Aservant Inbabylon

            Problem is Luca, the dogs have been attacking for almost 50 years….we are on the third generation of owners…..so a little late for the preemptive measure.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          That’s noble, but…and feel free to be very general here…what part of the world are you from, young gladiator? I say young because you have made some references in the past.

          Also – and again no need to divulge too much personal info here, thanks wise Moderator, lol – but I get the impression you have been seriously hurt by these people. Involving a female?

          Apologies for the amateur psychologizing, not in any way trying to “dink” you or bring you out, OR too encourage you to divulge more than you are comfy with, just wondering.

          You have a lot of anger and that’s not necessarily bad, though it can hurt you over the long haul. Unless yer the incredible hulk, lol…

          Loved that part of the Avengers when Captain America (a nice looking blonde Aryan looking fellow – how did that not get blackwashed like Heimdal in Thor?) says to Mark Ruffalo’s Bruce Banner,

          “Uh doctor. Now might be a good time to get angry.”

          Banner, with background of giant serpentine monster thing approaching, that creepy-calm smile Rufalo has down perfect, “That’s my secret” to controlling his anger, “I’m ALWAYS angry.

          SMASH! LOL…

          Always loved the Hulk.

          Anyhoos, I’m glad you found your way here.

          Oh, I’m from/in the deep South. We learn early how to shuck and jive when needed. Call me a hypocrite or a survivor, I’ll argue with neither…

          • Spartacus

            I’m Romanian, 22 years old .

            I’ve never been seriously hurt by dark-skins (but I can assure you the bastards tried their best) . I’ve been in lots of fights with them, some of them very brutal, but I’ve never sustained any serious damage .

            You see that woman in my avatar ? That’s a Swedish victim of diversity. Every day,all around the world, white women and children are getting raped, tortured, stabbed, beaten, decapitated, burned alive, gang-raped, mutilated,attacked with acid and killed by filthy sub-humans that are FORCED upon them .

            The media does not report these cases, any of them. At every “election”,in almost every white country, politicians say they’re gonna stop immigration, then they get in power and they do nothing to stop it, many times actually increasing it.

            Our race is not dying, it is being killed – and I can’t even name the perpetrators, because Amren would delete my post.And once our race is gone, that’s it. That’s the end of Civilization , and the whole world will basically look like South Africa, where mongrel zombies wander around mindlessly, killing each other, raping each other , eating each other, living like cockroaches in the ruins of an abandoned house .

            So I can assure you this is not personal,or a whim, or some misguided anger, or that I read The Turner Diaries and I have some delusional fantasies about blowing people up – this is about the future of the White race – and that’s the only thing in the world that’s worth fighting for.

            I apologize if I’ve been somewhat incoherent, it’s 5 in the morning here. But I trust you’ll get my point.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Great answer. Thanks.
            Yeah, seen that pic before. Good work putting that stuff up.
            Again, don’t want to cause trouble for you, but I’m interested in anything you have to report from Europa. Especially in terms of organization and groups working for our folk. Thinking about starting a little group here, as I’ve blabbed about before. Need to start small, very limited, though. My initial vision was way to sweeping and grandiose.
            I’ve come to think that here someone needs to hook up similarly minded Whites. Long distance, sure, but more importantly Whites within a short distance of each other, so as to try to build communities of folk who can help each other, who can be there for each other. As a start.
            Here, most dissenting groups are very marginalized compared to in Europe, in my impression. Also concepts of “left” and “right” are a bit different, a bit more muddled in my opinion.

          • Spartacus

            Stop putting so much effort in websites, and go out there, on the streets. You need to swim amongst the masses, you need to earn their trust .

            What Golden Dawn does in Greece should be your model – Do charity events exclusively for whites, put patrols in poor white neighborhoods that are victimized by non-white crime, send out raids to attack dark-skins (focus on illegals, they’re least likely to go to the police) and that’s how you attract attention.

            And above all else – never change. Have no ideological compromises, never apologize for anything, be violent . Remember, Hitler won the elections in Germany in a democratic manner without compromising on anything – not on violence, not on the juden , not on nothing.

            And I can’t stress this out enough – focus on the poor whites, they’re the key to victory . Don’t be too exclusivist , anybody that agrees with you basic principles and shows loyalty towards your group gets in, regardless of how smart or dumb they are, how competent and incompetent they are, there is always work to be done in such an organization.

            And remember to be militarized – guns, hand-to-hand combat training, etc. Power attracts people, and you’re gonna do nothing if you’re a bunch of wimps .

          • Irishgirl

            It’s good to see a young man who cares about protecting women. That seems rare these days.

            I’ve made vague references on this site to a couple things that happened to me at the hands of black males. I don’t want to get specific for multiple reasons, one of which is that it was very traumatic and to say what happened would make you sick, and it would be obscene.

            I’m not going to claim that I’ve never been bitter, but I do want to say that, all in all, I’m a pretty happy person and I don’t dwell on the negative. I may seem bitter here sometimes, but that is because my negative experiences seem (to me) more relevant to the topics discussed here than my positive experiences. My point is that when even a generally happy & optimistic person like me can get this upset, things must be pretty bad.

          • Spartacus

            I’m glad that you’ve managed to overcome living around dark-skins, but remember the situation is not dire yet. But white numbers are decreasing, and dark-skin numbers are swelling, across all of our lands. Pretty soon, there will be no place for happiness, nowhere to retreat from the Lemaricuses and the Mohammeds, nowhere that won’t be “anti-racistly diversified”, be it by Obama’s new HUD program in America, or by the Norwegian government’s upcoming plan to force Norwegian children into majority non-white schools.

            So I suggest you forget about both bitterness and happiness and instead focus on preparedness . Get as many weapons as you can, learn how to use them, learn how fight with your bare hands, and make sure your children do as well. We’re heading in a very nasty direction, and all those who are not ready to fight will suffer grievously .

            And if it doesn’t make you too uncomfortable, I suggest you share your stories with other people, via a blog, or some other place on the internet, as it might wake up a few people, and prevent similar situations .

          • Irishgirl

            One good thing to come out of my experiences is that I would do literally anything to protect other white girls from harm (and white boys too, for that matter). I have a willingness to act that I might not have had if my life had been easier.

          • Aservant Inbabylon

            Most modern women don’t inspire modern men to feel a duty to protect them, more like run away at high speed. Furthermore, most modern males born in the last few decades have been inculcated from birth by the feminist totalitarian system to be ashamed of exhibiting natural male behavior, and actually, natural male behavior has been completely purged from a great many of them for good.

            So don’t be perplexed by your observations. This state of affairs is as natural and rational as 2 plus 2. Just look around.

          • Irishgirl

            So true! I blame feminists as well.

          • Antipodean WN

            I doubt you are truly Romanian – your English is too ‘native’ to be Romanian, unless you are some sort of linguistic genius. I know Romanians at work –nice people, but shyte English. You are some sort of fantasist.

          • Spartacus

            “I doubt you are truly Romanian – your English is too ‘native’ to be Romanian, unless you are some sort of linguistic genius.”

            —————————————————————————————-

            So… You think my English is either “native” or makes me some sort of “linguistic genius”. You’re either very ignorant, or can barely speak 2 words in a foreign language yourself.

          • newscomments70

            You have my vote, Sir.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Being gracious is a very White virtue. Taken to the extreme, it does exterminate us vis-à-vis the negro. But taking circumstances into account is also a White virtue. Dignity should be extended to those who evince the quality, and one should do right by those who do right by you. Again, very White, should never be abandoned lest the monster slayer becomes his own prey.

        That said there are times to channel the monster. Not this time, in my opinion, though.

        • Sick of it

          That “monster” is simply an inherent part of the human condition.

          “To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

          a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; a time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

          a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; a time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.” Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

          • NeanderthalDNA

            My favorite Old Testament book by far.

            Life is but a sigh.

          • Sick of it

            “Lord, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is: that I may know how frail I am.

            Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.” Psalm 39:4-5

            “The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
            What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?

            One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.” Ecclesiastes 1:1-4

            “Seeing there be many things that increase vanity, what is man the better? For who knoweth what is good for man in this life, all the days of his vain life which he spendeth as a shadow? for who can tell a man what shall be after him under the sun?” Ecclesiastes 6:11-12

            “I met a traveller from an antique land
            Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
            Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
            Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
            And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
            Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
            Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
            The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
            And on the pedestal these words appear:
            `My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
            Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!’
            Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
            Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
            The lone and level sands stretch far away”.” Percy Bysshe Shelley (one time the profane and religious agree on something)

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Yeah, that’s the stuff! As a former libleftard, I used to be typically anti-Christian.

          • Sick of it

            I’m very much anti-abortion, but part of that is because of how much I’ve always cared for and wanted to have children. People who don’t want them seem like monsters to me. One of my friends cannot have natural children with his wife and they are in the process of adopting, as have others I’ve known.

            One last quote (From Jesus):

            “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

            Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

            And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

            If ye love me, keep my commandments.

            And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter [the Holy Spirit], that he may abide with you for ever;

            Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

            I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

            Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

            At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

            He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.” John 14:10-21

          • MikeofAges

            IN Egypt’s sandy silence, all alone,

            Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws

            The only shadow that the Desert knows:—

            “I am great OZYMANDIAS,” saith the stone,

            “The King of Kings; this mighty City shows

            “The wonders of my hand.”— The City’s gone,—

            Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose

            The site of this forgotten Babylon.

            We wonder,—and some Hunter may express

            Wonder like ours, when thro’ the wilderness

            Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,

            He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess

            What powerful but unrecorded race

            Once dwelt in that annihilated place.

            – Horace Smith.[13]

    • And I agree.

      Elizabeth Wright would have agreed with us on that, too.

      She was probably the only black person on Earth who would have been offended at the implication that a white person was hiding behind her skirt to justify being an advocate for white people.

      • HJ11

        I know she would have agreed. She asked to run some of my columns. I saw no harm so I let her do so.

        • David Ashton

          Despite what you said above. Look out, a Romanian reader may regard you as a rabid dog like me!

        • HJ11

          …but, my larger point still remains. We Whites do not need non-Whites to hide behind. We don’t have to say, as so many of us do: “Well, they do it too.” And, too many Whites seem to want the approval of non-Whites for whatever we want to do. We don’t need their approval. We don’t have to hide behind them. We are free individuals and we own this planet as much as anyone does.

        • Your columns?

          You wouldn’t happen to be the writer whose columns once appeared on the CofCC website whose pen name involved the initials “H.M.” and you coined the phrase “Post-American America,” would you?

    • WmarkW

      I disagree.
      A big problem in liberalism is that they don’t practice “tough love” among their constituent groups. Having blacks tell their own to stop whining and start doing what they can to improve their lives has a lot of value.

      What’s so hard about “don’t be a single parent, and your chance of poverty is less than 10%”?

  • Inaugurated a website in 1985?

    Blogger: User Profile: Elizabeth Wright
    Founding editor, in 1985, of the hard copy newsletter, Issues & Views.

    Due to the fact that the owners of the company that has hosted Issues & Views – The Website, since its creation in 1997, have decided to host only sites in Alaska, the website linked to this blog is probably lost.

    • Irishgirl

      Don’t you know that blacks invented the Internet before we did? Then we stole it from them.

      • Evette Coutier

        They invented tv and the radio too. It is terrible that all the anthropological evidence was stolen by white grave robbers.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          Most of all they invent “truth”…

    • Sick of it

      Not to be too contrary, but I suppose a BBS would have been possible, even though it does not fit with the facts of this case.

    • cancerous bananna

      It was likely a way of spamming files to newspapers back in the day… likely had a machine to rest your phone on and press go.. then hear the bleeping noises.

      • A 300/600/1200 baud modem?

  • Tarczan

    This women’s legacy might be that “it doesn’t need to be as bad as it is”.
    There is no doubt that if these numerous welfare programs were not available blacks would be more self reliant, and that if blacks were not being constantly told they are victims they would be more self reliant.

  • IstvanIN

    I used to read her web site. She was insightful and intelligent. Unfortunately blacks don’t like people like her. Nor do most white liberals.

    • David Ashton

      Nor do Romanian killers either, it seems.

      • IstvanIN

        Romanian Killers? What does that mean?

        • David Ashton

          Examine carefully the entire Spartacus archive and draw your own conclusions. I particularly resent his indifference to the possibility that I might be murdered along with all the other innumerable victims because of a reasonable opinion expressed here. My exemplary national heroes would include Alfred, Shakespeare, Nelson and Bader, not sadists like Vlad the Impaler.

          • Get used to it.

            My own personal hero is Vlad Tepes. He knew exactly what to do with Muslims. Spartacus lives in Bucharest; I live in Colorado Springs, and his hatred is like a moon-cast shadow compared to mine. I’m over twice his age, and know how to express the same idea in a rather more erudite fashion. This doesn’t mean I’m fundamentally different from Spartacus.

            Blacks have expressly avoided cleaning their own house, and it is probably later than you think.

  • bigone4u

    If an intelligent black thinks that racial segregation is good, then I want to support that black, under the theory that the enemy of my enemy is my (temporary) friend. That does not mean that I want them over for Sunday BBQ, just that I will treat them with respect and courtesy in any social setting. Ms. Wright is not Al Sharpton or Jesse and I would not treat her the way I would treat them.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      I’d invite Uncle Ruckus to a BBQ.

      • Nick Gherz

        You owe me a mouthful of coffee.

    • Bantu_Education

      They may hate us but the last thing blacks want is segregation. If you segregate parasites from their hosts, the parasite will starve and die.

      • Antipodean WN

        True. You are right.

        Now you and your Asiatic wife should likewise separate yourselves from us.

        Asians are at least as dangerous to whites as blacks, because they try to fit in so much.

        A white man with an Asian wife is as abhorrent as a white woman with a black male.

        People like you, Bantu_Education, are absolutely despicable, and are a hindrance, not a help to our cause.

  • JohnEngelman

    Booker T. Washington’s died in November 14, 1915. His message is more relevant now than during his life time. During his life in much of the United States blacks were denied rights clearly granted to the in the Fourteenth and Fifteenth amendments, including the right to vote.

    The civil rights legislation has been signed. Blacks are discriminated in favor of with affirmative action.

  • Easyrhino1

    Hats off to Ms Wright; One in ten million.

  • Bantu_Education

    Did anyone ever actually meet her or know what she looked like? How can we be sure she was even a black? Jared Taylor said this in his eulogy 2 years ago –

    “The last time we spoke I was in New York City, where she lived, and I practically begged her to let me meet her. She declined. She wasn’t keen on meeting people, she said.”

    I can’t help remembering the movie title “the man who never was”, perhaps she was the black woman who never was.

    • The last time there was a thread here on AR about Elizabeth Wright, someone tried to argue that she either didn’t exist or some white person pretended to be black. I believe beyond a reasonable doubt that she not only existed but really was a black woman.

      We can’t prove everything we know scientifically or first hand.

      • Bantu_Education

        How can you say “beyond reasonable doubt”? Thats just wishful thinking. You have to ask why she refused to meet JT even privately and that (as far as I know) she never did put in a public appearance. She may have posted a picture of a black lady on her site, but I could do that. What other reason could there be other than that she was not really black after all? Meeting JT is not going to hurt her credibility since she didn’t have any other than with white race-realists like us. Something smells fishy.

        • No it’s not wishful thinking, it’s sane thinking to avoid becoming a conspiracy theory kook. I’ve never met George Washington personally, I can never prove his existence using the scientific method. But I believe beyond a reasonable doubt that he existed.

          • Bantu_Education

            Sorry but thats a piss-poor analogy – there are countless sources for GW but this EW blogger? Sure she (or he) existed but on the balance of evidence (which is virtually none anyway) he/she probably wasn’t what he/she claimed to be. Thats not a conspiracy theory, its a commonsense theory..!

          • It’s a good analogy.

            Listen, I’m not going to accuse you of tinfoil territory. The theory that Elizabeth Wright never existed slash never was really a black woman is an easy one to formulate and believe if all you have is what has been presented here on AR about her. But I’ve been privy to more people and more information in my life, that’s all I’ll say. I’m at beyond a reasonable doubt, even if you’re not.

          • Bantu_Education

            If you have evidence to back up what you say then whats the harm in sharing it? It can’t be top secret can it? I applied Occam’s razor thus – very few blacks (and even fewer black women) have opinions like EW did, but plenty of whites do. The motive to want to do so is obvious – to stir the pot of blacks and white liberals. Once begun such a charade is hard to stop without “dying”. I’m not saying he/she is faking death in this case as 28 years is a long time in anyone’s life but its also a possibility since nobody knew her in the first place. As I said “the woman who (maybe) never was”.

          • Okay, so now we have the arguments.

            Option #1: Someone faked being a black woman writing opinions sympathetic toward white racialist thought and disguised his or her voice to pretend to be a black woman when she talked on the phone to people, and did it for more than a quarter century, all for the purpose of jerking around.

            Option #2: Elizabeth Wright was a real black woman who was probably the only black person actually to believe the things she wrote, but was personally a bit reclusive.

            Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the case is now in your hands.

          • Bantu_Education

            Why would she need to talk on the phone? Certainly not once the internet got started and if we are to believe that she began writing her stuff in 1985, and I am not disputing that neither am I endorsing it because I don’t know and frankly, do you? Who actually remembers her from that pre-internet time? Her career, so to speak and such as we know of it, dates from the internet which is very convenient is it not? Any jury would have to return an open verdict at best.

      • Jackryanvb

        Yeah she existed…a decent, sane, positive Black American. There are individuals like her in most every Black community… Same was true in Rhodesia when it transferred from White rule to Black misrule as Zimbabwe under Mugabe.

        The moral of the story is that though there are many individual, honest, honorable Black people, we can not submit to Black rule, Black power. From Haiti to Zimbabwe, Camden New Jersey and Birmingham AL, the results are always the same.

        Don’t get me started on Libertarians, economic conservatives like Jack Kemp, Ron and Rand Paul – they claim to have a plan that will “save” Black people, make them prosper and be just like us….

        Naaaaaaaaaaah.

        • Elizabeth Wright would have no sooner “saved” black people than Ron Paul, even though her ideas insofar as doing it were far better. The whole silk purse sow’s ear analogy.

        • Sick of it

          Another way to put it is that most black people simply will not stand for sane policies, unlike Ms. Wright and the few like her. We see this every day as they become more radical in the United States of all places.

  • White Mom in WDC

    This woman was right. Do I think whites should unify behind HER per se, no, but the tenets of which she spoke are on point.

    MLK and his sympathizers were/are about Communism. This political stance is about equal misery for everyone. Everyone is the same. Except of course the annointed elite.

    White people are diverse, unique, distinct. We need to keep resisting. We can do it.

    • Sick of it

      DuBois and Douglass were fairly radical themselves.

  • Athling

    I had read some of Miss Wright’s material years ago and was pleasantly surprised. She was one in a million. To put it bluntly, she, and a few others, are the reason I cannot hate all blacks. Unfortunately, they are exceedingly uncommon.

    • David Ashton

      They cannot win where psychopaths are concerned, and neither can you.

    • Luca

      They are the 1%. (In a different context.)

    • Athling

      Several years ago I was in New Orleans on business. The part of the city I was in was unfamiliar to me. In fact, I was lost and had ventured into a dangerous part of town. I ended up on a dead-end street with no way out. In the darkness of night a mob had descended upon me. I began slowly retracing my steps but the mob blocked my path. I quickly drew my Glock from behind my back and held it with arm fully extended along my side. I could take eleven of them out in a few seconds but there were more than eleven of them, slowly closing in on me.

      Suddenly there appeard a single black man not with the mob but behind them. The crowd parted leaving only him in the middle. He motioned for me to come out as he somehow kept the mob back without uttering a word. I did so and escaped the situation without a scratch.

      As I turned back to offer some gesture of thanks, the man was gone. Whether he was from this earth or had assumed an earthly form I know not. But I have never forgotten it.

      The meaning of this for me was that though the great majority of them are an enemy to me and can never be trusted, there was one among them who was righteous. Save for that one I cannot hate them all.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        But if there were none among us, you wouldn’t have needed to be saved by that < 1% decent black.

        Must we eat bushels of bad apples to find one that isn't worm-ridden?

  • IKantunderstand

    I am just now joining this thread, and I have read all the previous comments with great interest. Please pardon my two cents into the heated debate between David Ashton and Spartacus. I’m doing it this way, because I don’t see the point of responding to each of their comments. It will take too long. And, we all know I’m long winded, and have an anathema to paragraphs. Forgive me if I ever sound patronizing, I HATE that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with polite discourse with anybody. Mr. Ashton, your comment about whether or not your viewpoint that we behave graciously occasionally could possibly result in your death as “racial traitor”, is rather a specious argument, would you not agree? You have a parsed, reasoned, approach to the matter. Mr. Spartacus, on the other hand, feels that such niceties have gotten us nowhere. The fact of the matter remains: Whites are in a fight for their very survival. Western Civilization is also in a fight for its very survival. Nobody has anything against matters being amicably settled. Shoot, it worked for the English and the Irish! I think it is fairly simple: your friend is your friend, until he is not.

  • Ella

    I thoroughly believe all races have good and evil people. We have traitors in our own race that disturbs me more so since they sold out America: bribed, promised vacations, high positions and other rewards to do their dirty work. In my opinion, Blacks do not understand or respect the nature of Anglo-Saxon laws dealing with order and accountability. If they can grasp some concepts and overall maintain jobs, our attitudes would be very different.

    • HJ11

      Speak for yourself. My attitude is not one of hate for other races anymore than I hate possums or snails. My attitude is based on the sure knowledge that we Whites must separate from other races if we are to evolve along the trajectory that is best for ourselves alone.

      I just don’t care about the other races. They are not my kind. I am indifferent toward them.

    • IstvanIN

      And she shouldn’t be excluded due to not being “white”, because she is white. (Japanese have Caucasian genes).
      With all due respect your wife isn’t white. She may be a wonderful woman and a great help-mate, but you and she can never have a white child. She is East Asian/Oriental, not European, and that is a simple fact.

      Eurasians, from France to China, all have Neanderthal genes, but we are not Neanderthals.

      • Bantu_Education

        I think your reply was to me, not Ella.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Good question. Almost asked it myself.

    • Antipodean WN

      I also have my doubts about Spartacus —there is no way a Romanian, or any foreigner for that matter, even those who studied English literature at University, would have that command of the English language, together with colloquialisms that Spartacus has. Not only command of the language, but nuances that can only be understood by someone who has been born and raised in the West. And only 22 years of age? Pull the other one brother!

      Heck, even Americans have difficulty understanding aspects of British culture (Australians and New Zealanders are actually a lot closer to the Brits), and we ‘get’ British humour such as “The Young Ones”, and “Not the nine o’ clock news” – unlike the yanks.

      All this stuff about knife fighting ‘dark skins’ and going ‘crow hunting’ in a country 98 to 99% ‘white’, seems like the boastings of some fantasist – Spartacus is obviously living in the West, brought over by his migrant Wog parents at a young age.

  • I’m a pagan.

  • Sick of it

    People seem to have forgotten common sense. Even the fools in the ancient world seem wise compared to modern man.

  • Sick of it

    “Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;

    And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

    Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

    Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

    For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
    Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

    And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law,
    judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

    For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” Romans 2:17-29

  • Bantu_Education

    We can all agree that whites (or at least those whites who care about their survival as a distinct race) must segregate from other races, or if not all races certainly the harmful parasitical races. Like “Scotty” I also have a Japanese lady, although mine speaks Spanish and was brought up in S.America. And she shouldn’t be excluded due to not being “white”, because she is white. (Japanese have Caucasian genes). But how are we to do that? In the US you can fantasise about seceding a state here, or a state there, or even small parts of states. But if that is to happen then all non-whites and liberal-minded whites currently living in those places will have to be exiled. That will take either a lot of money or a lot of force, or both. I can’t see it happening, ever. And what about Europe?

    Whichever way we look at it, all such knee-jerk “solutions” presage enormous trauma at best and bloody genocidal civil war at worst. Surely it would be far simpler and less traumatic to simply found new “colonies” of like-minded people on long-leased secure enclaves (10 sq miles will do for starters and 100 sq miles is plenty) which could, in theory, be almost anywhere in the world but most likely in South/Central America as they have vast tracts of empty territory (think Patagonia, for example) and I think some governments there could be amenable esp if they could see the benefits, and there are many for them. I don’t see anyone proposing this, but this is similar to how America began after all. The future lies in the past.

    • IstvanIN

      And she shouldn’t be excluded due to not being “white”, because she is white. (Japanese have Caucasian genes).
      With all due respect your wife isn’t white. She may be a wonderful woman and a great help-mate, but you and she can never have a white child. She is East Asian/Oriental, not European, and that is a simple fact.

      Eurasians, from France to China, all have Neanderthal genes, but we are not Neanderthals.

      • Bantu_Education

        Hi Istvan, you are one of my favourite commenters here. but lets not get bogged down in this who is white and who is not thing, that is just an irrelevant diversion. What if anything do you think of my proposal? I’ve tried to launch this lifeboat before but never get any feedback which is very disappointing. It seems to me that everyone wants to hang onto the sinking ship and everyone is afraid to drop their precious baggage and risk swimming over to the mysterious and unoccupied island on the horizon.

        • IstvanIN

          Thank you for the compliment, but who is and isn’t white isn’t just a “diversion”. I have a more liberal point of view than many, but even you can surely see that a Japanese person, no matter how light skinned, isn’t white. Many American blacks have white genes, but are not in any real sense white. Barry Sotero is 1/2 white but isn’t a white person in any sense of the word.

          As for long-term leases for enclaves, that simply won’t work. We need a large areas where we can support ourselves and defend ourselves. 10 square miles is not defensible in the long run. Orania in SA seems like a great place but once the blacks decide to overrun it, it is over. Small, isolated, no sea coast. Not a long term solution. And don’t forget, leases can be abrogated, look at all the property owners in Cuba and behind the Iron Curtain.

          One of the reasons whites were able to spread out all over the world was because we had a fall-back position that was ours: Europe. Once Europe was secure from the Muslims we were able to spread out. No matter how many of us were killed in the America’s, Africa or Australia there were more of us to follow. We were not surrounded in Europe. Eventually we became dominant in the US, Canada and Australia. Those places prospered as outposts of Europe. Spanish and Luso-America were doomed because the Spanish and Portuguese interbred with the natives rather than settle with their own women. They colonized, we were settlers.

          Africa, for whites, was probably doomed because we never carved out nations just for us. Even though miscegenation was minimal in Rhodesia and SA, the fact that they allowed blacks to immigrate and become the vast majority of the population doomed them. Sure, apartheid kept things orderly, but for how long do you want to live in a war-like state? And at what point would the whites have to resort to extermination to keep things under control? Not pretty.

          Do you want to live like the Israelis? Regardless of what you think about the Jews, Israel is in a tenuous position, and only survives because of the west. Once we are gone so are they. So, no, small out-posts are not the answer.

          We need to stop subsuming our interests to those who would displace us, and who actively work for our demise. We need to stop fighting among ourselves. How the US has treated Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union was a disgrace and probably led to the rise of Putin, who isn’t our friend, and for good reason. We need to take back Europe, our natural homeland. We can probably salvage Canada and part of the US. Australia and New Zealand are probably too isolated and close to a rising China to be defensible long term.

          I do not favor Argentina and Uruguay. Those nations are not as white as people think. They are becoming less white as time goes on, they are allowing African immigration and are being overrun by Bolivian Indians. Their governments have been less than stable over the years. Unless their was a white nationalist movement in those nations that we could support, I vote against them.

          The future is grim, but the game isn’t over just yet. But it will take more than some small out-posts to save us.

          • Bantu_Education

            Excellent comments as always, thanks for your valuable input. I won’t go into more detail about my enclaves idea firstly because its late where I am but mainly because it would take too much time and space to give my ideas the justice I believe they deserve, and Amren is not the appropriate place for such a discussion anyway.

            Are you Russian? Your name implies it. I agree in principle that the West should have helped Russia in the Yeltsin dark days of the 1990’s. I thought so myself at the time but having said that its a fine line to tread giving economic aid without appearing to be too patronising to a proud people who have gone through hell over the centuries. Its a double tragedy because together with Russia we could fight the resurgent Islamic threat.

          • IstvanIN

            I am American, of Hungarian decent.

            We lost a huge opportunity with the Russians. Instead of treating them similar to the way we treated Japan, a very wise move, we poked them in the eye by expanding NATO. We could have helped them transition to capitalism, but instead watched them fall to kleptocrats.

            Clinton is a war criminal. He should be tried for the bombing of Christian Serbia. Milošević merely wanted to preserve his country, but he was the one arrested.

          • Sick of it

            Many of those kleptocrats belonged to the group who must not be named. Obviously said group has a lot of influence in American politics and would not want to obstruct the looting performed by their relatives. Couldn’t agree more re: Clinton, especially since we apparently ended up working with the KLA. I thought, at the time, that we were fighting to destroy those monsters.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I hate capitalism as an ideology as utterly as communism.

            “The only color that matters is GREEN” is a sickening little mantra all too often used to encourage treachery amongst Whites.

            Seems to me like the capitalist dream these days is to gate a few of themselves off in secure enclaves and laugh all the way to the bank as their less worthy brethren get killed, raped, subsumed…

            If a bunch of 85 avg. IQ types demand self destructive stupidity, the “capitalist” seems more than willing to give them whatever they want, including your daughter. Heck, including his own…

          • IstvanIN

            Well, I would agree that laissez faire capitalism hasn’t been very good, but overall free-markets are better than communism.

          • MBlanc46

            It’s not an either/or. A system where people bear the economic consequences of their choices is necessary. A system where everyone has a stake in those choices is also necessary.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Yeah, I think the proof is in the history. I just…

            I come from lines of business folk and some proud civil servants as well. I truly bemoan the death of any impetus toward merit in public service at all levels of government. I think government has a limited role in the best of scenarios, but I also think that in an intelligent and basically homogeneous group, GOOD gubbamint can be a very good thing.

            The Scandinavians and a lot of the Euros went too far some years back, ran up some bills, but realized and adjusted. Pulled back, had it on the right track, then…the growing civilizational suckhole of substandard hordes come in, fail to live up to idiotic euro-liblefty sociological ideology and…

            YAY DIVERSITY!!!!! So much for good government! So much for a system that depends on intelligent people TRYING to stay off the dole…so much for so much…

        • HJ11

          Let’s not get bogged down on in this who is white and who is not [White] thing…? Good grief!

          Remaining White, surviving White, expanding White is the essential thing. It should not be trivialized.

          • Bantu_Education

            If you had the attention span to bother reading the far more important 2nd paragraph of my post it contained a possible solution – to “Remaining White, surviving White, expanding White”. Focussing on trivialities is not going to solve anything. Its very disappointing that everyone here seems to be happily barking up individual trees and missing the forest at large.

          • HJ11

            Your proposal of White colonies, or ersatz colonies, is one that many of us have thought about. And, I’ve writen about them, myself–years ago. There is nothing unique in what you have written, although you seem to think it is.

            And, as far as you launching such colonies, what does that mean? Have you started one? Actually moved to one? Put money in one?

            The way things begin is with ONE. One person actually does something and sticks to it no matter what others may think. In the case of launching colonies, this means that you start one. One of my suggestions is to simply move to a small existing town or village and vote in followers of our belief system and in time the town becomes a colony. Yes, I know some may be trying this. Good. I support them.

            But, you’ve already confessed to being a miscegenationist, so why would anyone want to take you seriously? Have you now produced mixed children? How does that expand the White DNA code that requires 23 chromosomes from a White man and 23 chromoseomes from a White woman? Any children you produce will only have 23 White chromsomes. And, of course, when I write of White chromosomes, I do so as a rule of thumb, so please don’t waste time with trying to dissect which genes make us White and all that nonsense in order to try to justify your misegention. Your woman (your wife or whatever she is) is Asian. She is not White.

            Maybe you should start a multicultural, diverse community. Wait a minute, that’s what we already have and what we’re trying to get away from.

          • Bantu_Education

            “One of my suggestions is to simply move to a small existing town or village and vote in followers of our belief system and in time the town becomes a colony.”

            This will never work for any number of reasons. 1) rather than select an existing place you would be much better off to start from scratch like Orania – 2) if you choose an existing village it would have to a tiny population of just a few hundred, – 3) the more original inhabitants of your village, the more resistance you will get – 4) you will have to somehow convert (or more likely force out) those original inhabitants who disagree with your rules and philosophy – 5) how do you propose to create secure borders and keep out infiltrators or invaders? –

            6) even if you achieve all of that you will still have to pay taxes to and subsidise the social programs of the USA (or wherever it is), which means giving some of your money to blacks.

            Wasn’t something like this tried before at Waco? That ended well , didn’t it? Only a total wacko would even bother suggesting it.

          • HJ11

            No, Waco wasn’t the same at all. 1) As far as Orania goes, I hope it succeeds. However, as we now see in the U.S., the central government can force communities to integrate, and in South Africa, Orania is surrounded by Blacks and a hostile central government.– 2) That’s right. A very small original population. That’s what’s needed to get things rolling. There are plenty of such small towns and villages in the US, that are almost all White right now. Many of them would be ideal. The advantage is that the infrastructure is already in place. Homes are already there. Streets are in. There is a local functioning ELECTED government. This way, we use democracy, itself, to build a White community as we elect our own people to the local government.– 3) See # 2.- 4)
            The free market will work. No force needed. No conversion needed. – 5) Secure borders on a town? Are you kidding? Anyway, not needed. Zoning laws enacted by our new government will limit the building of homes, etc. and this will help keep infiltrators out. – 6) Of course you will have to pay taxes and those taxes will help non-Whites. That’s the case no matter where you set something up, unless you can take over a whole country or find land and turn it into a new country.

            Nothwithstanding my comments above, I would like to see an all White country, but until that can be arranged, I think starting with a small village or small town and expanding outward from there won’t hurt the larger cause or the bigger dreams.

          • HJ11

            Oh, and what about your miscegenation? You failed to answer that. Do you propose a mixed White/Asian nation because you have miscegenated?

            And, then how about the next guy who pops up and says, well his wife is only half Black so she’s really White? And, then the next one says his wife is 1/4 Asian and a 1/4 Brown so she’s also White.

            And, again, what have YOU ACTUALLY DONE to start any sort of colony at all, except write about it as though you’re the first one to think of this?

          • Bantu_Education

            Since you seem to be so obsessed with the issue of whether we have miscegenated – happily (from your jaundiced viewpoint) it is too late in life for us. But if we could we certainly would – the Japanese are gracious, clean, quiet, hard-working, and highly intelligent and both of us are healthy and very good-looking, even if I say so myself. I also have the sense that the Japanese area race apart from Asia and many are descended from the indigenous Ainu (a Caucasian Race). Compared to Chinese or Koreans the Japanese (not all, but many of them) definitely look more European. Its a good fit – the product of European and Japanese I am sure would produce a superior race. But its not going to happen, so re-focus your rage in a useful direction. Japanese and European match-ups are anyway a trivial issue. Focus on the big picture.

            The city-states I propose would not look like conventional cities – they would be self-sufficient mini-arcologies (of maybe 10,000 people each unit) and thus would not occupy much territory whilst being defensible if it came to that. There are quite a few countries which might be amenable to leasing 10 sq miles (25 sq km) which would be more than enough even allowing for future expansion to 10 modules (100,000 people), including all agricultural land. (the Hong Kong lease, for comparison, was 400 sq miles, 1000 sq km).

            I know my history very well – this has happened before, it can and WILL happen again even if it doesn’t look possible right now. Cost about $2 billion per module – plus a similar initial establishment cost – i.e., a lot but certainly not impossible to raise, but also not the sort of small change and small ideas you have in mind (“why don’t you do start something yourself ?”) Duh….

            It has taken us a long time to get into this mess, nobody claims it will be easy or cheap to get out of it.

          • HJ11

            Pie in the sky but something many of us have thought of before.

            Not all Whites are going to survive and expand. Some will never have children and will go extinct (sounds like you) and some will miscegenate and also go extinct (also sounds like you).

            But some will survive. And those won’t be the backsliders who try to slip in an Asian as a White, and I suspect these few Whites who do survive will do so from small isolated communities. Why? Because the way evolution works to create new species incapable of breeding with the old species is by causing changes in small populations. In such small populations mutations can spread very quickly. It’s not very complicated and is the stuff of Darwin’s finches in human terms.

            The small communities may be something like what the Amish have, or the fundamentalist Mormons, but they may also be different.

            The small communities are doable right now without billions of dollars and vague ideas of hoping that some nation can be found that will lease land to a whole bunch of White people so they can live there.

          • HJ11

            But…I quickly add, I would love to see large all White nations devised in such a way that they remain all-White and so they can expand as being all-White. Actually, this is pretty much what the Zionists have tried to create in Israel but for Jews. Time will tell if they succeed as it will tell if any of us succeed in our quest to survive and prosper and live in lands with our own kind and where we can have true self-determination.

            Starting with small ideas and small communities does not preclude also working for larger ones. They are not mutually exclusive.

            But, I’m practical. I like to do what we can do, right now.

          • Bantu_Education

            A small community for small minds with small ambition – off you go now then to your little hick town. Have a nice day.

          • HJ11

            They say the definition of a neurotic is one who builds castles in the air and that the definition of psychotic is one who lives in them.

            Tell us what concrete things you are doing to create your all White, er, all White/Asian, ah, maybe all White/Asian/Black/Brown/Red wonderland? Your miscegenationist dream already exists. Most of us call it a nightmare and we want a White homeland, not a White and everything else Star Wars Bar land.

            Say, I know. Instead of trying to do what we can actually do and build upon it. Let’s talk about all of us Whites heading up to Mars and living there. Oh, we don’t have the present means to do that? Well, then, let’s do what is practical and doable but keep deluding ourselves with pie in the sky schemes.

    • Ella

      I can understand dating and marrying someone Asian. As unintended consequences, it adds more competition or pressure on White women to date since men more so marry LATER and outside their ethnic racial group than women do. You have to add in men who prefer to be single, men who are gay, men who are drunks/drugging (unfit) or men who are not available due to current relationship. I had a difficult time finding White men to start and then, date in a mostly non-White city similar to NYC stats. Even the few European men from Europe had Mexican and Asian wives (`10%). As a result I decided not to date for a while. (Looked at men from Europe and corresponded for a bit but hated Internet dating!!!) We found each other over time. I’m well past dating and just wanted to share some of the difficulties. Too many men, it does cause some harm.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Hey baby…lol…
        Look, no offense, and I hate to say it, but I think east Asian women are far less likely to have slept with a negro than White women. I hate that, may be wrong, but…
        Perhaps one reason many White males prefer Asian type women. Let’s face it, lots of White women sleeping with blacks, some out of spite. You girls who are with us really need to talk to your wayward sisters, be proactive to those who show signs of blacking out.
        I’d rather date/sleep with/marry a clean, attractive, intelligent Asian woman than a sketchy White coal burner any day of the week, make no apologies for it.

        • Ella

          I don’t fit your bill. All my friends, middle and upper middle class, married White men. I don’t know what they dated 15-20 years ago but they have taste. I cannot lecture to the choir. You’re speaking about the lower income groups with less education. Give me a break., LOL……not every White woman dates a Black man and especially sleeps with one. 80-90% of Whites still marry White and most likely dated White.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Thank God!!!! LOL!!!

            Now I’m very reassured, heehee. My advice to those who have “gone there” and come back…lie about it if you can. Probably your best shot, not polite conversation ultimately. Move on and chalk it up to having been indoctrinated and foolish.

            But you make a great point. Plenty of good unsullied White women around. You’ve set my heart at ease, dear.

          • Ella

            In my times, it was frowned upon to date non-Whites or seen as “lower class.” If the average White male viewed us as “#hores” and “damaged,” as you described us in bitter poetic descriptions, then, White women would NOT have any babies with White males due to our flawed nature. What White woman broke your heart????? :.)

    • Sick of it

      “These could, in theory, be founded almost anywhere in the world but most
      likely in South/Central America as they have vast tracts of empty
      territory (Patagonia or Paraguay or Uruguay, for example) and some
      governments there might support such a concept once they were made aware
      of the benefits”

      I’ve argued the same previously. We cannot create enclaves like the above in the United States, due to the tyrannical federal power in this country.

    • Antipodean WN

      Sorry. No difference between a white man with an Asian woman than a white woman with a black man.

      Don’t try and insinuate yourself and your Asian wench into our ranks, you race traitor.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Have been reading some history of Amerind groups and their interaction with early White settlers.

      In the Appalachian mountains many Scots early intermarried with native women, often high status ones. Many, if not most of Amerind leaders by the early 1800’s were already at LEAST half White, some, like John Ross of the eastern Cherokee, were as little as 1/8 “Indian”. Most Amerind tribes in this area were matrilineal in terms of family and inheritance, thence many increasingly less Amerind folk were counted as members of the tribes. In western NC, for example, in the early wars of our nation, companies of “Scots-Indians” were formed, for example.

      I’ve always maintained that the American White is a new man, and though I discourage exogamy in general because we ARE endangered…I tend to get nervous at too strict a definition of White, myself.

  • Spartacus

    On what planet are gypsies white ?

    • Antipodean WN

      On the same planet that Greeks are….

  • David Ashton

    The answer to your first question is implicit in posts by “Spartacus”, for instance.

    Of course, we should rely on ourselves, but you do not look a gift horse in the mouth imagining it is a Trojan Horse or (see above) a rabid dog.

  • David Ashton

    I am glad to see your votes up far exceed those down.
    I am puzzled by the votes endorsing the view that I am a rabid dog that should be put down. I shall have to withdraw from AmRen if such murderous comments persist unmoderated.

    • Bantu_Education

      Lighten up David old chap. BTW there’s video made by a man about 65 yo – asking people on a typical London street if they had heard of of the Stephen Lawrence case (of course) and then asking if they knew the names of various young whites who had been killed by blacks (none had, needless to say). Since I believe you are about the same age and possibly from the same part of London I was just wondering if it was you? Good video anyway.

      • David Ashton

        No, not me. An excellent idea, though.

        People only know what they are allowed to know. Our “liberal” newspapers, The Guardian and The Independent, are appalling, and the latter is getting worse in many ways to the point of self-caricature on every cultural marxist/ PC/ negrophile/deviancy theme. The BBC follows suit.

        • Sick of it

          Sadly, we Americans have to read the Guardian from time to time in order to find out what’s happening in our own country due to the media blackout on many subjects.

    • Spartacus

      You are not who I was referring to when I talked about a “rabid dog” .

      • David Ashton

        However, you “cannot permit” my opinion (which you claim entails “the death of our entire race”) but would leave the decision to murder me personally to others. Obviously you’ve got our own hands full with “fighting” the “tsigani” (whom we don’t want in England either, by the way, but who are coming in along with your emigrants).

        When I was in hospital two years ago the most competent, kindest and friendliest nurse in my ward was a Romanian, and I prefer to think of her as at least as typical of your own people as knife-fighters. And you may care to learn that I once worked with Romanians and other “exiles” to set up a Remembrance for the Victims of the Communist Holocausts in a packed Albert Hall, which the media then ignored and has since been buried in the usual memory hole.

        Britain, of course, has a different cultural background and legal set-up than Romania, and even to emulate Golden Dawn just by peaceful whites-only foodbanks would promptly put the organisers in jail – and thereby redress the ethnic percentages therein!!

        • Spartacus

          “Britain, of course, has a different cultural background and legal set-up
          than Romania, and even to emulate Golden Dawn just by peaceful
          whites-only foodbanks would promptly put the organisers in jail – and
          thereby redress the ethnic percentages therein!!”

          —————————————————————————————-

          And why did your people allow such idiot laws to be passed in the first place ?

          • David Ashton

            Search my archives and you should find some brief explanation of how our “canine” rulers could deceive the “electorate” incrementally over a prolonged period, and I can if necessary refer to books giving more detail of the process. If am not murdered beforehand by other “white nationalists” (mentioning no names) for taking what is considered the wrong line on the subject, I hope to get a book written myself which will have a chapter spelling it out more fully, though I cannot expect to find a mainstream publisher.

            Two current examples:

            1. “A Conservative councillor who warned that a Travellers’ site would end up looking like ‘My big fat Gypsy cesspit’ is to have his complaint assessed by police…. Essex police confirmed it was studying hate-crime allegations” (The Independent, August 17).

            2. “MPs last night condemned a ruling that allows a convicted terrorist to continue walking the streets of Britain 12 years after he first arrived here. Ministers are powerless to expel the 50-year-old Algerian [although] he cannot claim refugee status…. ‘Our country is signed up to the same idiotic human rights as France….’ The legal battle has cost British taxpayers hundreds of thousands of pounds…while it is believed that [this foreign national, who cannot be named] has been living on benefits”(Daily Mail, August 16).

            Membership of an “EU” with its anti-racist, anti-xenophobic and pro-migration criteria has not helped our vulnerable nation either, as “your people” too may soon find out.

          • Spartacus

            Don’t worry about my people. Here in eastern Europe, there is now law, regardless of what some filthy marxists from Bruxelles want. I don’t think the EU is gonna last much longer, for that matter .

            And have no worries, I mean you no harm. I was merely pointing out that we are in war, and during times of war, saying something positive about an enemy is something you just can’t do, regardless of circumstances . Your government didn’t say anything good about the Germans during WWII, did they ?

          • David Ashton

            What are you doing about the “Consiliul national pentru discriminarii combaterea” then?

            Some people I knew who thought well of the Germans before and during WW2 were locked up but went to fight for this country when released.

            The only Romanian authors I have read, in English admittedly, have been Emil Cioran and Mircea Eliade. Is that OK?

          • Spartacus

            The National Council for Combating Discrimination is a joke that no one really cares about. Trust me, if Romania had any real institutions, I’d be in prison right now .

          • David Ashton

            Well, you won’t be among our forthcoming Romanian workers then, since our anti-“discrimination” laws and institutions are not at all funny!

          • David Ashton

            I amswered your last question but cannot find it on this thread at 2.20 PM GMT August 19. Maybe it is on the Archive.

  • Jackryanvb

    You are replaying the lying, intellectual poison of the Pharissee Saul of Tarsus, who assumed the disguise St. Paul – the first, most destructive Neo Conservative in history.

    Sane White people not afflicted with Saul/Paul’s poison understand that yes:

    There are Jews and Gentiles, men and women, Blacks and Whites – and we are different.

    Unless we are talking about Zimbabwe, Haiti or Detroit, there are no Blacks and Whites, just Blacks. Our White people have all been killed, ethnically cleansed.

  • Spartacus

    Actually, it’s not. Gypsies are far more numerous than what the official statistics say. They’re probably around 10% of the population, if not more. And we also have quite a few turks, a few hundred thousand, plus more recent invaders from Africa and the middle-east, probably around 100.000 in all . Most of my fighting was against gypsies, except for one time when I got into a knife-fight with a turk .

    • Andy

      Your English is impressive. I would never have suspected it wasn’t your first language. Is it common for Romanians to study English?

      • Spartacus

        Yeah, we get taught at school starting with the 1st grade . Almost everybody I know speak English to some extent, usually with a thick accent.

        • Antipodean WN

          Bollocks – I know Romanians here in Sydney – work colleagues, university educated, and one with a PhD in engineering – their English is not only accented, but the grammar, written and spoken, is all over the place – as with most people who speak English as a second language (aside from some Germans and Scandinavians – who have almost perfect English).

          But speakers of Romance languages as a first language, never get it right – written or spoken.

          And yeah Spartacus – I only speak English – what’s wrong with that?

          I can’t see the point in learning to say “Hello” in a hundred different languages, when English is spoken all over the globe anyway – that would be a sheer waste of intellectual energy.

          • Spartacus

            “But speakers of Romance languages as a first language, never get it right – written or spoken.”

            —————————————————————————————-

            Speakers of Romance languages are nearly one billion world-wide, you’d think at least one of us would eventually get it right…

            And are you really that stupid that you can’t understand why learning a foreign language can be useful ? Did it really never cross your mind it might come in handy one day ? Weren’t you at least curious !?!?! Jesus, man, were you educated in a dumpster ?

          • NeanderthalDNA

            One can usually spot a native speaker of a Romance language by misuse of prepositions, I’ve noticed, if nothing else.

            I don’t know, don’t feel any duty, but my White brain was perfectly capable of learning another language fluently. Has really enhanced my understanding and appreciation of my own language’s grammatical aspects. Not that I always get it correct…nor that Discus always accepts my edits unless I post first then come back to edit, sometimes not even then…

  • Bantu_Education

    Getting rid of AA and putting blacks on birth-control maybe is the ideal, or an ideal of sorts – but its no good saying that without having a plan of how to get there. Its just not going to happen with the existing political dispensation and we can’t change that because we don’t have the numbers. As Buckminster-Fuller said “it is no good fighting against the existing reality – you have to create a new reality”, or words to that effect. In Bridge parlance we have to “finesse” the situation.

  • Luca

    One very successful tactic the American colonists used to win battles in the Revolutionary war was to target the British officers on horseback. No matter how many soldiers you defeat there is usually a ready supply of replacements. The officers are far more valuable, they control and organize the fight.

    Without the organization and the direction, the well disciplined British soldiers fell into confused disarray and quickly retreated.

    Kill the head and the body will die

    • I agree, but the problem with that sentiment is that most people can not identify the “head”. Allen Berg was shot to death in his own driveway in Denver while I was in high school. Someone didn’t like him because he was Jewish. He wasn’t the “head”; he was just some guy who had a local TV talk show and who’s wife had divorced him.

      Berg was in charge of approximately jack.

      • Luca

        I’d say Soros is an identifiable “head”. Google; who controls american and look at he wordpress blog, plenty of names there.

  • David Ashton

    Please elaborate.

  • Puggg

    As far as mahogany mobs go, that could be a lot worse.

  • Skip Wellington

    I prefer blacks that speak jive, sport baggy trousers and wear shiny necklaces.

  • HJ11

    What do we care what Blacks think? They are not our people.

  • Bardon Kaldian

    This whole story is utterly strange. Either Ms Wright was not a Black man, or she had been so secretive, even paranoid person like Thomas Pynchon it’s impossible to decipher motives & intentions of such an eccentric life trajectory. I won’t add anything about other issues; just, I find the “Elizabeth Wright story” to be completely puzzling.

    • Bardon Kaldian

      Black woman. Edit option doesn’t work for me anymore.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Go out, then come back in to edit. Sometimes works.

  • MikeofAges

    Think Phyllis Sclafley. Not unknown. But in if you any feminist to name the 10 most influential women of last 50 years, she would be on no one’s list. It goes to that idea I came up with a short while back. You have to an “Uncle Walter” (after Walter Cronkite) or you just don’t get ahead. That means that you have accept genteel liberalism as the framework of the discussion, whether you concur with it or object to it. Reject it entirely and you become either an unperson or an object of scorn and ridicule. Even some on the left get dinged one this one. The list is up to four. Pat Buchanan. Rick Santorum. Phyllis Schafley and Elizabeth Wright. Feel free to add you own entries.

  • Aservant Inbabylon

    Very true, my position exactly.

  • Evette Coutier

    There are many brilliant and wonderful blacks. The highest black IQ on record is 190. Having said that, Sparticus is right. Even if the are exceptional, they are always black first, they are at war with us whether they admit it or not. In the final analysis, all life is in a genetic competition for survival. This is scientific fact. They will always be our genetic competition. There is only two possible solutions to end this genetic Darwinism. We can inbreed all races until there is no races genetically. Or we can separate the races, one way or the other, and compete cross culturally. Integration does not work, it has never worked, and never will work. It is not in our genetics to do so.

  • stewball

    @david Ashton. I have just been given a history lesson about when the dutch went to south Africa by my south African ex husband and of course you are right. I bow to your superior knowledge. However I did not understand what Sachs was saying. Sigh.

  • HJ11

    Because culture is a product of genes plus a few other factors. Culture is not genes. We are not physically in our music or our arts or our science. We are in our genes.

    Saving White people means saving their genes–their DNA code–as I prefer to call our geneotype. If you’re not White, you’re not White.

    • Ella

      Genes can help us survive through favourable behavioural and/or personality traits. There is a field called behavioural genetics whereas genes and environment can interact to bring out certain traits or suppress them. Genes do affect behaviours and affect social expression, but we study more so in animals like bees and flies. With the eugenic stigma of the West, I’m not sure how much progress has been made.

    • Shmalkandik

      I understand the desire to preserve one’s own kind. I freel concede the policies followed by our Governments, State and Federal, since the 1960s have harmed all but the elites benefit from the rents that the ostensible social welfare state provides them. But culture, though founded by physical humans with physical genes, is mimetic. Other people can adopt the meme and propagte it. I don’t understand hy that would be inconsitent with preserved one’s own physical genus/species.

      • HJ11

        Having non-Whites copy White culture is not inconsistent with preserving the White genotype.

        The problem is that some Whites seemingly, and incorrectly substitute the product of our genes (our culture) for the genes themselves and thereafter think:
        a) It’s okay for Whites to go extinct so long as White culture exists.
        b) If all White nations are turned into non-White nations, and so long as the non-Whites act White that all is well.

        Genes are us. If we lose our genes we are not us. It is no more complicated than that.