Eugenics Are Alive and Well in the United States

Paul Campos, TIME Ideas, July 10, 2013

Informed consent is a concept at the core of both liberal democracy and the ethical practice of medicine. That is just one reason why a new report that, between 2006 and 2010, at least 148 women were sterilized illegally in California prisons should deeply disturb us.

The report found the inmates were given tubal ligations without the prison administrators bothering to get the case by case authorization for the procedures, required by law, from a state board. The point of this requirement is to have state officials outside of the prison review whether a proposed sterilization is genuinely consensual. (At least one woman has complained that she was coerced by prison officials into having the procedure).

Judging from the comments being made on even many liberal internet sites regarding this story, it seems a refresher course in one of the darker sides of American history is in order (A typical reaction: “So ridiculous making this procedure so difficult. Every woman who walks in the door of a prison should be encouraged with times cuts and subsidies to get sterilized.”)

For much of the 20th century, people–usually women–in American prisons and mental institutions were subjected to forced sterilization. In an infamous 1927 Supreme Court opinion, Oliver Wendell Holmes enthusiastically approved of this practice, saying of the coerced tubal ligation of a teenaged girl that “three generations of imbeciles are enough.” {snip}

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The eugenics movement in the United States was largely discredited by the fact that eugenics was central to both the theory and practice of Nazism. Nevertheless, California in particular has a long and sordid history of forced sterilization: sterilizations were forced on prisoners as late as the mid-1960s, in part because California’s long-time attorney general was a vociferous supporter of the practice, and it wasn’t formally outlawed until 1979.

The law that was ignored in the case of the 148 prisoners over the past few years was designed in the shadow of that history. It is a product of the understanding that forcibly institutionalized people are especially vulnerable to having their “consent” extracted from them, in ways that would never work if they were free persons.

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  • Menstruella Jones

    I read the original article and noticed the comments provided most were overwhelmingly in favor- perhaps with a modest stipend attached. Makes sense. Hardly a “darker side”.

    • MawellAxel

      Those doctors were heroes. The truth is that taxpayers would be forced to support the offspring of these creatures. they did the right thing.

    • Sick of it

      Considering that we’re the ones determined by the government to be unwanted, are you so sure this is a good idea?

    • OlderWoman

      Your moniker is disgusting.

  • Spartacus

    “three generations of imbeciles are enough.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    The blacks have had tens of thousands of generations of imbeciles, when will it be enough?

    • Wethepeople

      About when the whites are gone. Then the powers that be will deem them un-useful.

  • David Ashton

    The “fact” that “eugenics” was “central” to the “practice” of Nazism is deliberately misleading. See my reply to Martel in an earlier thread. Galton was concerned with the conception of the “well born”, not the murder of the already born.

    • The__Bobster

      In the early years of the twentieth century, attitudes to the IQ assumed a political dimension. The Liberal-Left generally approved of the IQ and research showing its importance. One of the most salient issues was the discovery that intelligent women were having relatively few children and the inference that was drawn from this that the IQ of the population was deteriorating. In many countries eugenics societies were established to promote ways to reverse this.

      The principal supporters of eugenics came from the Liberal-Left. In Britain they included H.G. Wells, Sidney and Beatrice Webb and George Bernard Shaw. The programs they advocated were the provision of financial incentives for those with high IQs to have more children, designated positive eugenics, and measures to reduce the numbers of children of those with low IQs, designated negative eugenics.

      In the United States and a number of countries in continental Europe, the principal of these negative eugenics measures was the sterilisation of the mentally retarded to prevent the birth of mentally retarded children. This was not introduced in Britain, but H.G. Wells in his book A Modern Utopia (1905) came up with the alternative of getting rid of them by dumping them on an uninhabited island.

      In 1944, the IQ achieved a major political success in Britain with its introduction in the “Eleven-Plus” exam to select children with high IQs for “grammar schools” (=academic high schools).

      This was initially welcomed by the Liberal-Left because it promoted the ideal of equality of opportunity. It enabled children from working class families who had high IQs to obtain a grammar school education and enter the middle and professional classes.

    • JohnEngelman

      By killing six million of the most superior race in the world the Nazis did serious damage to the human gene pool. It is ironic that the Holocaust has encouraged policies that enable inferior people to urinate into the gene pool.

      • anarchyst

        Approximately 731,000 non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations–NOT 6,000,000. Figures are from official International Red Cross . . .
        As far as “superior”, you’ve got to be kidding.
        Oh, it’s from our resident “tribesman” Mr. Engelman. I should have expected it . . .

        • RisingReich

          Next week it will be 7 million.

          • JohnEngelman

            If the Holocaust did not happen it is the case that everyone who survived a Nazi concentration camp and every soldier who liberated one conspired to lie about what was happening in the camps.

          • anarchyst

            Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren.
            Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel.
            Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

      • RisingReich

        Wow. True colors showing Engleman.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        I think you got the thumbs down for the “most superior race” comment. The Ashkenazim are on average the most intelligent people on the planet, I think no one would deny. But we are also painfully aware that the great majority of them use their great gifts to destroy white civilization.

        But you’ve nailed it on the Holocaust comment. My German friends are too afraid to speak up about their own dispossession by muslims for fear of being called the “N” word. And yes, it is only the Holocaust that is (endlessly) brought up when we the very sensible and humane policy of eugenics is mentioned. As I heard once, the 6 Million number may or may not be accurate, but it is true that the Jews have used a tragedy to further their own interests as no one else.

        • JohnEngelman

          the great majority of [Jews] use their great gifts to destroy white civilization.

          – ShermanTMcCoy

          Let me humor you. How are Jews destroying white civilization?

          Hatred of Jews is motivated by resentment of their talent and the prosperity it brings them.

          In addition, many social reactionaries blame the Jews for social changes they don’t like. These social changes have many complex causes and are popular with most white Gentiles.

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            As I you know from my earlier posts, John, I am no hater of Jews, and am a big fan of our race-realist Jewish posters here, like the Pesach Patriot. I wish to G-d we had a more of them on our side.

            Over 75% of Jews self-identify as liberals, and have been squarely behind attempts to bring in ever more non-white immigrants. (No, I realize they are not the only ones who do these things). As I have also previously conjectured, it appears that about 20% are neo-cons who are for any war they see as favorable to Israel, but are decidedly non-“racist”, like Mark Levin. That leaves us with about 5% supporters, who I’d prefer other posters here to welcome as friends and co-conspirators.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am liberal on many issues myself. The only reason I favor more restrictions on immigration is because a high rate of immigration contributes to the growing income gap.

            The fact that America’s rich are getting richer while most Americans are getting poorer is what I consider to be the most significant political problem.

            Otherwise I like immigrants and the cultural diversity they provide.

          • Nathanwartooth

            “Otherwise I like immigrants and the cultural diversity they provide.”

            Oh please, you complain about Black criminality just like everyone else.

            You just like the “diversity” that Asians bring. Why not just be honest?

          • Jefferson

            A liberal like John complaining about Black criminality and their culture of dysfunction is not that rare. I think according to Rasmussen poll, something like 20 percent of liberals believe Blacks on average are more racist than Whites.

            Sure 20 percent is nowhere a majority, but its a sizable minority. I was surprised it was that high, because I would think the percentage of liberals who would have a negative opinion of Blacks would be damn near zero.

          • JohnEngelman

            Like many liberals I used to make excuses for blacks. Then I got tired of making excuses. Then I began to challenge the excuses.

            Race wrecked liberalism. Black crime, black illegitimacy, and black stupidity destroyed the New Coalition that once dominated the United States.

          • JohnEngelman

            Orientals and immigrants from India behave and perform well in the United States. I admire them for that. Their cultures fascinate me.

          • Romulus

            Why don’t you emigrate,then!?

          • JohnEngelman

            1, I would need a job waiting for me.
            2. I am not good at learning foreign languages.

          • Romulus

            You would think with your superior intelligence that wouldn’t be a problem for you. Look John, there is no question that there a good people of your community. Jonas salk Irving Berlin, Michael Douglas. I could list many here that would fill the page. There is good and bad in every community. What you fail to understand is that your community holds the bag when it comes to the destructive social decisions in America,Europe and of course Russia. Your community is scared to have the WHOLE truth widely known to the larger masses, which is why the media is so strictly controlled. peach patriot is an excellent poster and you contribute very good dialogue to on this discussion board, yet I can only hope that more join truly for our greater good not yours. That may sound harsh but every community has a right to exist, including the genomics,Scandinavians,and celts. Editing or denying history doesn’t do anyone any justice. Where is the fairness that America and the West was promised after all the apologies, trillions of dollars and millions of immigrants that the US has enabled over it’s history?

          • JohnEngelman

            I am a Nordic Gentile. I appreciate the role many Jews played in the labor movement during the 1930s, the civil rights movement during the late 1950s and early 1960s, and the anti war movement during the late 1960s and early 1970s.

            Many Jews opposed each of these movements. If you think Jews agree on everything, you have known few of them.

            The Marxian ideal of life after the Revolution is similar to the Jewish idea of life after the coming of the Messiah. There will be no war, poverty, or crime. That is why Communism appealed to many Jews who lost their religious faith.

            Nevertheless, Joseph Stalin disliked Jews, and ordered the deaths of many of them.

          • Romulus

            Are you sure? Even the group Abba’s derives from the Jew word for father. Nevermind. So you either present your self as an unbiased commentator or because your nordic, you wish not to offend what should be natural too you. I’ve followed your commentary closely, are you a supporter of your own race , an apologist/kumbaya bloviator or both. Despite their historic position on the matter, there is no such thing as egalitarianism. Not Even when the founders wrote Americas sacred documents and not now. Nature (altruistic predation) will not be trumped by human feelings. Personally , I welcome a natural catastrophe to kick start the party, so to speak, because nature is the one thing that humans will never control. In the aftermath, we can then go back to a more natural carrying capacity. The beauty of nature inflicting calamity, is that she is truly unbiased. All will be affected. Money and/or superior intelligence will not necessarily guarantee survival.

            Your unbridled support for the Ashkenazim makes me cringe. All of us other posters have know way of telling if this is what your really like or just a screen personality. You are of course entitled to your opinions. If your a true nordic and not a middle eastern transplant, you have me dumbfounded!

          • JohnEngelman

            I dislike pinning labels on myself, but “race realist” fits. It is obvious to me that the races differ significantly for reasons that are almost exclusively genetic.

            Antisemitism makes me cringe. It almost gives me a metallic taste in my mouth as though I am about to throw up. Nevertheless, I try to understand it psychologically.

            I make an effort not to hate blacks, but I can understand why others do. They have low average IQs, and high rates of crime and illegitimacy.

            Those who hate Jews resent them because of their superior intelligence, and the prosperity it earns them. In addition, they blame Jews for economic and social changes they dislike.

            Jews have been blamed for negative features of capitalism. During the Middle Ages they became money lenders because church authorities forbade that profession to Christians, and because other trades were forbidden to Jews.

            Money lenders seldom make friends. People do not like to have to borrow money. They do not like to have to pay it back.

            I have read the growing income gap blamed on Jews. If the CEO gives himself a big raise after firing one fourth of the work force, that is sometimes called “Jewish capitalism,” even if the CEO is a Gentile, as he usually is.

            Jews are also blamed for social changes that have complex causes, and which most Gentiles approve of.

            I dislike the sexual revolution. That was popularized by Hugh Hefner and Helen Gurley Brown, both of them Gentiles.

          • Romulus

            Hefner is only a gentile by lack of religious affiliation. His mutations are clearly Jewish. If you can’t see that then I would need to explain the basics of anthropology. For the sake of brevity, I will not. I am in agreement with you insofar as the Jewish intellect. I know precisely where and when they made their inroads to Europe and how the “barbarian tribes” lived. You actually make the case for me, as to vehement hatred of the Other WhitePeople. Their superior intellect allowed them to rise to the top of each of the European countries that they migrated to,albeit, never being the population majority. As a generality, wherever Rome’s footprint landed is where you’ll find the most technological footprint, almost exclusively because of the magi-c that the tribe brought with them after the collapse of the empire. It is no accident that France, Spain, and England were vying for top banana, in the power vacuum after Rome. The Merovingian kings, the St claires, etc. It is also no accident that the colors of India ,Iran,Italy, Spain, and Mexico’s flags ALL have the same colors. I view history from the macroperspective.Beginning with the start of civilization in the fertile crescent and radiating north by northwest and east.

          • David Ashton

            The simplistic medieval money-lender apologia has been contested, but what is the point of giving you references when you think these prove you have “won” (not lost) any argument?

            In one of the seven Bibles you have each read from beginning to end, you could ponder over Deuteronomy 15.6. I am sorry if even this reference to a “book” is too much for you.

          • Romulus

            You could also be a very clever “troll”. The internet being a wonderful medium of personal anonymity. Migration/ invasion patterns do not change Dna points of origin. Many people that now live in europe have no claim whatsoever of being european , miscegenation notwithstanding. It matters not what believe or perceive otherwise. Only the brainwash masses would believe otherwise. I don’t believe your one of them. So,how?, I wonder, have you come to support your positions. I intensely curious.

          • JohnEngelman

            I love facts that can be documented, and logical reasoning. I also admire races with superior intelligence, and low rates of crime and illegitimacy.

            On the other hand, I hate criminals and want them to suffer.

          • David Ashton

            Of course Jews disagree vehemently with one another; it is possibly their chief ethnic characteristic! (Even Hitler referred to it, though in his usual malicious way.) The ideal of the world after Messiah is nonsense, and much blood has been spilled in attempting to realise it (even before Stalin), and in the Hebrew religious case Israel was to be a light unto the nations but also a recipient of their submission.

            The basic problem “white Gentiles” have had with Jews is simply that their own nationhoods have not been easily or at all compatible with dispersed Jewish “peoplehood”; and Israel as a Jewish nation has unfortunately not solved the problem but made it worse.

            Jews have supported multi-ethnic immigration because it weakens any nationalist problems for them; this is understandable, but so is the “antisemitism” it paradoxically engenders. “We only feel secure when we are supreme” (Rabbi Hugo Gryn, Auschwitz survivor). The support for immigration by Muslims and other anti-Israel third-worlders has now created problems for Jews as well as the rest of us; here there is now a possible tactical alliance.

          • JohnEngelman

            “We only feel secure if we are supreme” (Rabbi Hugo Gryn, Auschwitz survivor).

            I am sympathetic with the desire of an Auschwitz survivor for security.

          • David Ashton

            So I am I. Bu the problem is how you secure it!

            Incidentally, Gryn’s bizarre account of finding a gas-chamber while playing with other boys in the family-camp area is sadly one of the “memories” that have “played into the hands” of “Holocaust deniers”, though my favorites to date are Mengele’s musical dog who bit his painist every time she played a wrong note, and the Jewish girl who watched victims going into a gas-chamber at one end and coming out as smoke at the other while cheerfully “sunbathing” nearby.

          • David Ashton

            Your fascination for foreign cultures is like that of a lazy tourist – true appreciation requires deep appreciation of different languages. Turning an English-speaking white homeland into a colonial territory for foreign races with other homelands is an “emigration” too far.

          • JohnEngelman

            I could say that your dislike for foreign cultures is that of a uncultivated bigot, but that would be a personal attack, wouldn’t it?

            I don’t do that.

            I am confident that an appreciation of other cultures varies directly with intelligence and education. A major reason many of the brightest and best educated young people in the United States flock to cities like San Francisco and New York City is that they are attracted to the rich cultural mosaics that exist there.

          • David Ashton

            It might be a personal attack, but more important it would be a misreading of my view.

            I don’t dislike foreign cultures; I just don’t want my own culture to be “foreignized”. I read French, but also especially appreciate German and Italian music, and admire the aesthetics of oriental cultures. I do dislike black rap music and its “sex and violence” implication.

            There is a difference between a garden with plots of flowers and nothing but a chaos where different ones are all jumbled up together, along with weeds. That is what “cultivation” is about.

          • RisingReich

            The other day you were giving someone a lecture on here about “How can you possibly know so much about the liberal mind?”

            Well – how can you know our motivations for our perspective? Jealous of Jewish ‘success’?

            Not the kind of success I’m interested in.

          • JohnEngelman

            Don’t you wish that you had done better in school? I do.

            Don’t you wish you were more prosperous? I do.

          • David Ashton

            There is a limit to diversity – the melting pot itself melts.
            In so far as a culture is the expression of a society, then an enforced multiculturalism disintegrates society: this has been the intention of the anti-racist left in Britain, without doubt. As a fellow-Englishman said to me recently, I have some foreign friends but I do not wish to live in a foreign country.

          • JohnEngelman

            That fellow Englishman is in the minority. If most of the English agreed with you it would not be possible for foreigners to immigrate to the UK.

            Racial groups with high average IQ’s and low crime rates get along well teogether. The white Gentiles who resent Jews and Orientals do so because they cannot compete with them intellectually.

          • David Ashton

            I have dealt with your first point in detail before on AmRen. Admission of a modest number of foreigners does not entail the conversion of an Anglo-Saxon nation into an Afro-Asian society, and in the early stages of immigration we were repeatedly given false assurances about the numbers. The political parties arranged a dispensation that did not reflect repeatedly poll-affirmed majority opinion, which could not effect a reversal on this single issue because of the nature of our electoral system and bogus party assurances. We have been subject to downward “equality and diversity” legislation by the liberal-left nomenklatura, plus state “re-education” of our children. There is also the Muslim birthrate to consider.

            It is all a long and complex story, which I have tried to summarise concisely in previous AmRen posts. It will be explained more fully in my book “The Murder of England” if and when I get it completed and published.

            As for the USA I refer you to Prof. Roth’s “Perils of Diversity”.

            I get on well with most “white Gentiles” and Jews even if they have lower IQs. Some “antisemitism” arises from Jewish activities not just envy of their brains. There are cultural gaps with some Asians and many Africans that create social difficulties for me in some cases. I still prefer England to remain a predominantly English society.

          • Romulus

            I would argue that it is primarily because of their activities.

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            I understand, John. We won’t agree on everything, but we have a lot in common, and I appreciate your viewpoint. You are always respectful when you disagree with someone.

            If you were to read just about any of Pat Buchanan’s books, you would understand my views on war, immigration, culture, and the economy, as I agree with 99% of the time.

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you for your kind words.

            Because you read Pat Buchanan’s books I assume you understood and assimilated his arguments and can present them in your own words.

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Certainly. But I would never presume to claim that I am a tenth as eloquent as he. It’s just that, every time I read one of his books, for the most part, I feel as if he took the thoughts right out of my head and set them down in print them far more coherently than I ever could.

          • MawellAxel

            John, you are always quoting and referencing books written by JT. Now tell us John, what group of people destroyedJT’s career as a translator? I’ll tell you, it was the SPLC- an organization composed entirely of Jews. Look at the agenda of this organization. It is CLEARLY to destroy this country. Your cognitive disconnect is astounding. How can you, on the one had, champion JT and his works, then on the other hand champion a group which is so against JT’s exposure of truth that they try to destroy him and suppress those truths?

          • JohnEngelman

            Anyone who thinks the Jews agree on everything has not known many of them.

            The only three areas where Jews are different from Gentiles is in their religion, their higher average intelligence, and in the greater prosperity they earn because of that intelligence.

            The Southern Poverty Law Center is a silly organization. Nevertheless, it has been able to get its message out better than American Renaissance. It is really not appropriate to say that your enemies fight unfairly because they fight better.

          • David Ashton

            They are well-funded and have easier media access.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews achieved everything despite persecution, bigotry, and the odds.

          • David Ashton

            I was referring to “enemies” like the SPLC not the Jewish people as a whole.

            Some (not all) specific critical stereotypes about some (not all) Jewish activities have persisted over a long period, shared by high-IQ Gentiles like Kant, Sombart and Bakunin and high-IQ Jews like Lazare, Disraeli, Herzl and Weininger. I agree that Jewish success is largely explained by high intelligence, which paradoxically has resulted in part from persecution. The underlying problem has been that Jews have been a people without a proper homeland dispersed among nations with their own homelands, though complicated for centuries in Europe by the religious clash between Church and Synagogue. Israel has not in fact adequately resolved the problem, but sadly complicated it further.

            There is more, of course, that can be said on this sensitive, indeed explosive, subject – the “Protocols”, communism, Muslim immigration, etc. But not here and now.

            All I would add is that you need to do more than constant, almost automatic repetition of the same sentences, without engaging with the facts or evidence produced by your critics.

          • JohnEngelman

            My critics present no facts. They simply express hostility for Jews. This hostility is similar to the hostility many blacks have for whites.

            In each case the haters resent a race that is superior to them, that achieves more, and which is more prosperous.

          • David Ashton

            Three issues have been raised at different times: the prominence of people of Jewish heritage in (1) communist revolution (e.g. Hungary, USSR, CPUSA), in (2) egalitarian social science, and in (3) support for multi-ethnic mass-immigration and black “advancement”, which you have welcomed but others have not. Such facts can be explained (away) but not honestly denied.

            There are of course Jews who have taken contrary views, and whose contribution has been welcome.

            Some people I quoted above referred to commercial power and/or malpractice – we know what you continually say in response to this, so there is no need for its “vain repetition” – and of course one could add Marx himself to that list. The ascendancy of Jews in society and their relative wealth enables them to fund ethnically congenial activities on a scale that others cannot easily match, “our terrible power of the purse” (Herzl).

          • Romulus

            Forgive me if I repeat myself, but I find Willmott robertsons “the dispossessed majority a treasure trove of information. I won’t reference chapter and line, but will add that his bibliography provides amazing tomes for further instruction. Many being written by the OWP themselves.

          • David Ashton

            I have read and have copies of “Dispossessed Majority” and Kevin MacDonald’s even better (though not perfect) “Culture of Critique” (rev. ed.), and would recommend them in turn to John Engelman.

          • Romulus

            Let me congratulate you on your dialogue with Mr E. On this thread. You were more eloquent than I was. I see history quite differently than do most in the West. I have a more unfiltered macroperspective. I did recommend them to him. I wonder if he’ll read them. I see the queen has helped put another nail in the coffin of England today. The suicide of the West is rapidly accelerating.

          • David Ashton

            Thank you. The decline of nations has been a central interest of mine for a long time.

            I now suspect JE refuses to read anything outside his box. The only thing that changed his mind about black people was an unfortunate encounter with a couple of them.

          • JohnEngelman

            If you understood what you read and assimilated it you ought to be able to express what the books said in you own words.

          • David Ashton

            There is no “if” about understanding what I have read, thank you.

            You have told me, and others, before to summarise in our own words what the books, which we have cited. Of course, this is not practicable, on this site, when these sources are packed with detailed and documented information.

            You would broaden your own mind and knowledge of the subjects on which you repeatedly and repetitively pontificate, if you obtained (from a library or a cheap on-line bookseller) two or three of the books which we have listed, and tried to “assimilate” their contents yourself.

          • Romulus

            Europeans have been asleep with magi-c pixie dust covering their eyes for at least 1500 yrs. If only they would open their eyes. You see my aforementioned comment was deleted, that should tell you something. The very existence of this article should speak volumes to those that are awake!

          • JohnEngelman

            Just because people disagree with you does not mind that they are blind to what you realize. They may know things you don’t.

          • Romulus

            When we disqus topics here that is just what we should strive for. Sharing knowledge. However, this website exists for white solidarity. Whether or not Mr. Taylor includes the tribe in his definition is up for debate. They fit mine, if only nominally. We can all learn from each other. Your up/down votes indicate a pattern of support in such a way as that you only recognize the positive of the the tribe, despite overwhelming evidence that also shows the negative. I see both simultaneously, but through the eyes of a European. There have been many positives as well, I’ve stated as much. I have no illusions , though on who runs the right either.

          • David Ashton

            This was a reply to our “resident” Nordic Gentile Episcopalian Sinophile but it seems to have detached itself from the intended context.

        • Romulus

          I’ll try and be polite. You are exactly right Sherman. John is living in denial. Our history books used to reflect the heroes and accomplishments of Anglo America but since the sixties have been rewritten to be deconstructive. The femme, gay,atomic age,porn revolution, and socially sciences have all been created and perpetuated by the tribe. Any positive contributions have now become null and void. Any that claim to be of the right will almost certainly join the ranks as a survival technique when the browns become the majority. They are master manipulators of the media. Unless people do their own research, they’ll only know what their taught. Count up all the names of wall St, hollyweird,the gun grabbers, the business and science experts and you’ll find out who really runs things. Same thing with most of the major news outlets.

          • MawellAxel

            Let us not forget about the trial lawyers and how they have destroyed freedom and capitalism in this country. The lawyers that bring civil lawsuits are overwhelmingly jewish.

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            http(colon)//www(dot)americanthinker(dot)com/2013/04/the_class_action_racket(dot)html

    • Nathanwartooth

      “The eugenics movement in the United States was largely discredited by the fact that eugenics was central to both the theory and practice of Nazism.”

      Let me rephrase that so it reads as ridiculous as it is.

      “The math movement in the United States was largely discredited by the fact that math was central to both the theory and practice of Nazism.”

      Hitler believed that 2 + 2 = 4. Therefore it is false!

      Did a child write this article? How is this horrible magazine not out of business yet?

      • WhiteGuyInJapan

        The goofy thing is that statement is accurate. In the West, eugenics is considered to be a “Nazi” thing. Hence Very, Very Bad. Never mind that the Nazis borrowed their ideas from other countries. Or that East Asians practice eugenics without a drop of guilt or horror.

  • “three generations of imbeciles are enough.”

    But we needed extra generations of imbeciles on top of that in order to be able to elect a mulatto messiah hopeychanger as President.

  • MekongDelta69

    I thought Time (thankfully) went out of business.
    Guess not… Oh well – another one of their articles I’ll never read…

  • gemjunior

    Informed consent is a concept at the core of both liberal democracy and the ethical practice of medicine. That is just one reason why a new report that, between 2006 and 2010, at least 148 women were sterilized illegally in California prisons should deeply disturb us.
    No it shouldn’t disturb us, it should cause us to party all night. It should cause us to do it all the time, and only not do it in the case of juveniles who might some day clean up their act and get married. And even that should be subject to a panel of people…

  • JohnEngelman

    Good. I am glad. For too long we have been subsidizing dysgenics with programs like Aid to Families with Dependent Children.

    • Sick of it

      Dysgenic inbred families rule this world – To them, we are the inferiors. Think about the consequences of a move in this direction. The most intelligent people threaten their power…therefore, who would be the most likely targets for sterilization?

      • freddy_hills

        The most important people are already targets for sterilization. That’s why all the propaganda for the world being overpopulated, environmental catastrophe, etc is aimed at them instead of the people who are actually doing the overpopulating.

  • bigone4u

    Sterilization would put Planned Parenthood and other abortion mills out of business. That’s why liberals want sterilzation off the table: they love abortion, especially when the aborted fetuses are white.

    • Sick of it

      Since anti-white genocidal maniacs run this country, do you really think they will focus on sterilizing, say, black people or, more likely, will they focus on sterilizing the white people they are so desperate to get rid of?

      • Eddie Lutz

        Just like they created hate crimes laws that never get applied to black perps.

  • Northerner

    The only place with a tacit acceptance and adherence to eugenic law is China, especially within the last 30 years. Their massive projects in genomics, population policies, execution of first degree murderers, and most importantly, lesser emphasis on political correctness all support it.

  • borogirl54

    I do not see it as an entirely bad thing because many of these women follow the revolving door in and out of prison. Many of them arrive in prison pregnant and the state has to pick the cost of prenatal care and delivery. More costs are added if the child ends up in foster care because there are no relatives to take the child.

  • RisingReich

    How did I KNOW that eugenics would be credited to ‘Nazism’….
    The truth of the matter is that eugenics in practice started in 1910’s AMERICA – by doctors who were interested in improving humanity.

  • RisingReich

    Did you really mean to say you believe 99% of the requests would be approved, are you making a joke, or did you not understand the greater than and less than symbols?

    I think you meant to say ‘approval < 1% of the time'.

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    I really don’t see why sterilization is seen as such a ghastly punishment. We already have capital punishment which is basically taking someone’s life, (I’m not saying capital punishment is necessarily bad) and sterilization seems pretty benign in comparison to that.

    • Sick of it

      Because there is a difference between repeat offenders, whatever that means, and murderers/rapists. Would you like to be sterilized after being arrested for, say, obstruction of justice, assaulting a police officer, or some other joke crime committed numerous times? For smoking pot?

      We DO need to execute murderers, rapists, and people who commit treason. Of course that would never go over with the people in government who may fit into all three categories.

  • Eddie Lutz

    He was also a homosexual.

  • WR_the_realist

    How many generations of imbeciles does Time magazine want?

    • JohnEngelman

      Time probably thinks that IQ is only a social construct.

      • MawellAxel

        you think that jews are not out to destroy whites . Tell us , is Noel Ignatiev a goy?

        http(colon)//www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=m2ycLwXSxt4

      • WR_the_realist

        The real social construct: White skin privilege. There is more evidence for the Loch Ness monster.

  • dd121

    Eugenics didn’t have a scientific base during the Nazi era. Therefore they reached a lot of unsupportable conclusions by today’s standards. Thats all changed in the last 50 years. Now the very molecular basis of life is known and can be manipulated by scientists. Except for the irrational rejection of eugenics by Western liberals, it’s really set for a rebirth. Even the Chinese are are devotees.

    • Sick of it

      Research Chairman Mao’s dysgenic policies. He basically had every Chinese person who looked like a caucasian executed…for not being Chinese enough.

      • dd121

        I didn’t know that but I’m not surprised. Sort of puts a hole in the notion that lefties are compassionate and full of love and peace.

      • David Ashton

        Reference very welcome.

        • Sick of it

          Chinese dissidents. It may be hard to find a text source, considering the overwhelming violence and destruction of Mao’s government.

          • David Ashton

            The violence of life in China during and even after Mao contradicts a naive assumption of Chinese superiority to Europeans over crime and aggression.

          • Sick of it

            I’ve never claimed that Asians were non-violent. Just read news stories from Asian countries today. Throw out the muslim activities and you’ll still find violence. Throw out Communism and you’ll still find various forms of sectarian violence and the usual crimes found elsewhere.

            Also – Study archaeology from the region. Compare it to the modern inhabitants.

          • David Ashton

            This was really intended comment on Engelman’s thesis, not a criticism of you. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.

          • Sick of it

            No, I agree with your position. Plenty of evidence supports it. Asian history is quite bloody, despite what people are being told today.

  • Romulus

    They should all receive medals for meritorious service to the community.

  • Romulus

    Thank you. How about the forced march back from Stalingrad, or the twelve million killed by that little prick Napoleon(French or tribe?) And peter the great. How about the effing moor invasions, the Mongols, the huns(also Asians). How about the Arabs lobby dead plague bodies over the walls into Christian cities that we’re under siege during the 1300’s. The Spanish ? Inquisition!! The gauls, visigoths, and similar barbarians are the indigenous people. Not the murdering raping moors and nubians.

    • freddy_hills

      “or the twelve million killed by that little prick Napoleon(French or tribe?) “

      That’s an interesting question. You’d be surprised how often leaders are NOT what people think they are. Napoleon was actually Italian. He was born on the Mediterranean island of Corsica around the time it was transferred to France from the Republic of Genoa.

      Another famous misconception is that Cleopatra was Egyptian. She was actually Macedonian and the last ruler of the Ptolemy dynasty to rule Egypt after it was conquered by Alexander the Great.

    • Sick of it

      Native Corsicans are their own unique people, but there are both French and Italian influences on the population. Same with Sardinians.

      • Romulus

        Im curious as to their phenotypes and haplo groups.

  • FourFooted_Messiah

    *Shrug* We’re quick enough to impose it on other species for our own convenience and nothing more.

  • RisingReich

    Scientists interested in improving humanity are not Nazi’s by default – agreed.
    Libtards everywhere (any many neo-cons, for that matter) think anything ‘Eugenic’ is purely a ‘Nazi’ ideal.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

  • Stan D Mute

    Don’t be a troll.

    We routinely sterilize and euthanize members of ALL other species that exhibit “undesirable” traits whether it be via selective breeding of livestock or pets or “wildlife management” of undomesticated animals.

    We treat everything except humans from a eugenic standpoint.

  • Stan D Mute

    From whence would we then get cops and soldiers (as if they are different)?

  • Menstruella Jones

    Most would leap at $2000. So that one million would service 500 copulatory beasts. The more the merrier. Private entities could arrange it all and dole out the cash.

  • David Ashton

    The (renamed) Galton Institute has tried to come up with another name, but unsuccessfully. Some Frenchmen once tried a Latin alternative to the Greek. The problem is that whatever name one uses the egalitarian-liberals are against the idea of genetic improvement, almost as if they want future generations of any race to be more sick, more stupid and more criminally disposed – such people are their prospective social clients or revolution fodder, after all.

  • JohnEngelman

    Anyone who claims to be a race realist needs to acknowledge the fact that Orientals have higher average IQs than white Gentiles, and lower rates of crime and illegitimacy. Ashkenazi Jews have even higher average IQs. I have not found statistics on the rates of crime and illegitimacy of the Ashkenazim, but I am fairly confident that it is lower than it is for Gentiles of European origins.

    • Jefferson

      Just look at the per capita murder rate in Israel, it is just as low as in European countries and Asian countries.

      Israel’s per capita murder rate is nowhere as high as countries like Mexico and South Africa for example.

      • JohnEngelman

        A lot of white nationalists dislike anyone who is not a white Gentile of European ancestry. They enjoy gloating about low black IQs, but they resent being reminded of high IQs for Orientals and Ashkenazi Jews.

  • Jefferson

    In the U.S, Jews are the group with the highest percentage of people who hold a bachelor’s degree while Hispanics are the group with the lowest percentage of people who hold a bachelor’s degree.

    So any Jew who mixes with the average Hispanic Squat Monster, is lowering the I.Q of their gene pool.

    • Romulus

      And who do they breed with the most!? Ding,ding,ding!! Indigenous Europeans!!!!!

  • David Ashton

    A few bullet points:

    * Eugenics is “the scientific study of the biological and social factors which improve or impair the inborn qualities of human beings and of future generations” (Sir Francis Galton).
    * Eugenics is neither euthanasia nor genocide, despite the verbal similarity.
    * In Nazi Germany, it was “possible to be a eugenicist, advocate coercive sterilization, and yet not condone the killing of patients” (Paul Weindling).
    * Whatever the Nazis did or did not do to the Jews, Gypsies and other groups, the case for modern humanitarian eugenics remains a distinctive issue for discussion on its own merits.

    • Terra Magnum Imperium

      Wow somebody with sense.

      • Romulus

        This site is a breath of fresh air. If humans were completely honest about our species, the logic would be crystal clear. We can become beholden to an excess of emotion. Let’s assume, for example, that im John Merrick. If I were honest with myself, I should not wish to site offspring, lest I burden them with a similar affliction. This is a crude example, to be sure, but the illustration is obvious. There can be positive benefits.

  • David Ashton

    With a few notable exceptions, egalitarianism and “deconstruction” in social sciences, and therefore support for a century or so of racial “equality” (Boas, Jahoda, Klineberg, Kamin, Lewontin, Montagu, &c).

    • JohnEngelman

      We have different concerns.

      You haven’t disproved anything I have said. By every criteria a race realist should respect, the Ashkenazim are the most superior race in existence.

      • Romulus

        So what your saying is one can be a Jewish supremacist but not a white Anglo-Saxon supremacist.

      • David Ashton

        I have noted several issues whereby we inferior goyim (like Immanuel Kant) have objected to specific activities by some members of your “most superior race in existence”. A clever and wealthy nuisance can be worse than a stupid one.

        For a balanced assessment of Jewish contributions to communism, I would refer minimally to the following authors (among many) in order of importance: A. Gerrits, J. Carlebach, J. Muller, D. Diner and A. Solzhenitsyn.

        • JohnEngelman

          I have enjoyed political arguments since I was a child. Whenever someone gives me a reading list I know I have won. The person is saying in effect, “I can’t answer that, but these writers can.”

          My response is, “If you have read all that, if you understood and assimilated it, why can’t you?”

          Without Lenin there would not have been the Bolshevik coup. Without Stalin the Soviet government would not have become as cruel. Without Mao China would probably have a democratic government. Without Kim Il-sung the Korean War would not have happened. All four were Gentiles.

          You can always point to this or that Jew who was a big mean guy. Where are the statistics that prove that Jews have higher rates of crime and illegitimacy than white Gentiles? Where are the statistics that demonstrate that Jewish businessmen are less honest than Gentile businessmen? Those statistics don’t exist.

          In the United States Jews were active in the labor movement, the civil rights movement, and the anti war movement. The overwhelming majority of them vote Democratic, even though they are the most prosperous race in the country. I admire them for that.

          I knew many Jews when I was in the anti war movement during the War in Vietnam. I liked them.

          • David Ashton

            Of course, someone who recommends scholarly sources for historical facts is not losing the argument. It is the person who refuses to consider any of them.

            This site has a limited space for any such “argument”.

            As regards “the Jews”, Amren is not an “antisemitic” site, and I would not so describe myself either. My point is simply that Jews are neither all angels or devils, but that their ethnic interests have not always coincide with those you regard as an inferior “race” – white Gentiles. I have made no comment on illegitimacy, though did refer in the past to Jewish involvements in the sex trade.

            However, with the consent of the moderator, I would develop some comments on Jewish connections with communism. There are explanations for this phenomenon, but “idealism” can take a disturbing turn, as happened also with the French Revolution’s atrocities in the Vendee in the name of “liberty, equality and fraternity”.

            Lenin (who had slight Jewish ancestry) was the ringleader of the Bolshevik coup, but his dictatorship was supported by people of Jewish heritage, such as Trotsky, Sverdlov, Kamenev, Zinoviev. Lists and statistics of Jewish commissars are available. They were disproportionately involved in the Cheka, which in its first six years “executed at least 200,000” and “employed barbaric forms of torture” (Piers Brendon).

            “Half of the six members of the politburo that was the supreme government in Soviet Russia were Jews…. Jews were prominent in the leadership of the Communist Party in Germany, Hungary, and Austria. In the 1920s close to half the members of the…American Communist Party were Jewish…. Empirical data support the contention of French and German anti-Semites in the 1920s and 1930s that Jews were both captalists and communists…. Jewish communists in Paris and New York…clung to their Stalinist faith….There were…statistical verifications for the…double-faced stereotype of the Jews as both slippery entrepreneurs and conspiratorial communists. Nowadays of course it has become politically incorrect in the controlling American Jewish precincts to verify the existence of this provocative polarity” (Prof. Norman Cantor).

            As a boy I much liked a Jewish communist I went to school with, but had to disagree with him about the Korean War, the merits of Mao and Kim Il Sung, and the innocence of the atom spies. He once said “Stalin is always smiling, Dave” and claimed that the Rosenbergs were victims of antisemitism “like Jesus” (sic). I have warm memories of him as a person in every respect other than his misguided politics, not to mention his one-eyed dog called Peckham.

          • JohnEngelman

            Of course, someone who recommends scholarly sources for historical facts is not losing the argument. It is the person who refuses to consider any of them.

            – David Ashton

            If you give me a list of books that prove that you’re right I can give you a longer list of books that prove that I’m right. The discussion becomes as silly as saying, “My dad is stronger than your dad.”

            Those who hate Jews either hate them for reasons that are true and praiseworthy, or or for reasons that are preposterously false.

          • David Ashton

            I don’t “hate” the Jews or any other collective. No-one can help how he is born, only what he does (in most cases). I criticise Jews and others who do or have done things I oppose, and support those who do things I approve or admire. This doesn’t mean that I have no informed knowledge of the history of “antisemitism” from wide study of Jewish and other sources.

            OK, give us that long list of books that prove you are right, and I’ll tell you whether I know of them or have already consulted them.

  • Romulus

    One could even make the argument that the brutal conversion of the indigenous Europeans reflects poorly on the tribes community precisely because christianity comes from the same source. I have no problem, however, with the original 13.

  • Romulus

    Vasectomies as opposed to castration?

  • David Ashton

    Interesting point: neither was Marie Stopes, another eugenicist. Yet the liberals keep saying “she sent love poems to Hitler” giving the impression that she was in love with the Nazi leader. In fact, she simply sent him some poems she had written, perhaps naively hoping they might contribute to peace. She was married briefly to the brilliant geneticist and anthropologist Reginald Ruggles Gates, a lifelong opponent of black x white outcrossing. See his “Heredity and Eugenics” (London 1923) and “Race Crossing” (Rome 1962).

  • JohnEngelman

    Most prohibition era gangsters were Italian Americans, or perhaps Irish Americans.

    • David Ashton

      Perhaps Irishmen?
      “In 1920 Prohibition made liquor much more profitable and very soon Waxey [Irving Wexler] moved into bootlegging. His sponsor was Arnold Rothstein, arguably the founder of American organized crime” (Martin Short, “The Rise of the Mafia” [London 2009] pp.139-40). [Sorry, another “book” and one of many on this subject.]
      Meyer Lansky?
      The modern “Red Mafiya”?
      Marc Rich?

  • David Ashton

    Hence my neologism “Marxism-Lennonism”.
    His ridiculous wife isn’t much argument for Europid x Mongolid crossing, by the way.

    • JohnEngelman

      Yoko Ono was seven years older than John Lennon. She was not beautiful. Nevertheless she was able to attract and marry John Lennon when he could have chosen a wife from most of the women in the world. That was a significant achievement that took talents I am unaware of.

      She caller herself an artist. I doubt she ever sold anything she created until she became famous as Lennon’s wife.

      • David Ashton

        Her public utterances are banal and vacuous in the extreme, but if I “pick on her” too much I know who might jump to your defense with guns blazing; I would not wish to make his Celtic-Amerindian blood boil too much.

  • David Ashton

    This is a good book by a competent author (and friend), but Jewish IQ was not the only issue that has divided us in “debate”.

  • David Ashton

    Thank you for adding even more to my bulging bookcases!

    • Romulus

      Your very welcome. I’d welcome any literary recommendations of England, if you have time. I have many of the classical works, but love to explore.

      • David Ashton

        Thank you. I shall need to prune a possible list to try both to anticipate your main interests and to bear in mind the space that the Moderator and other readers will tolerate. It was Spengler who started me off when I discovered him in my school library, coincidentally like our conservative philosopher Roger Scruton, who nevertheless has a superior mind to mine and is also a gifted musician. I shall come back to you when this site re-opens after the weekend break.

  • Sick of it

    The fertility argument is specious, considering how many children white American women used to have prior to contraceptives. Compare that to the smaller number of children they can produce while still not using contraceptives today.

  • Sick of it

    Sadly those histories show how easy it is to control those people with brute force.

  • Sick of it

    Many theories abound on the origin of the Etruscans, but it has become commonly accepted that they were not originally from the region (unless academia has swayed the other way again?). I could say some things about modern populations in parts of Europe, but I won’t. It’s obvious just from looking at pictures.

  • Romulus

    If by “our” civilization, you mean that so many “others” reside beneath it’s umbrella, I would find that explanation acceptable. Please reference all achievements,accomplishments and contributions of your group to the West beginning with Greece, that do not include labor,music and sports figures,while also leaving out the fantasy afrocentric history narrative of the last two decades. I’m immensely curious.

  • David Ashton

    Sexual and racial “promiscuity” have gone hand in hand, at least in Britain. My recent observations in cosmopolitan Brighton confirmed this view.