Suspect in Fatal Beating of 84-Year-Old in 2011 Arrested

Steve Stout, CBS 5 (Phoenix), November 7, 2012

A 19-year-old Phoenix man was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of felony second-degree murder in connection with the 2011 beating of an 84-year-old man collecting aluminum cans from the suspect’s backyard.

Da Nguyen, who spoke only Vietnamese, was collecting the cans in the same neighborhood where he and suspect, Charles Nathan Williams, lived on Sept. 12, 2011, according to a court document.

Nguyen was in the gated back yard of the Williams house near Baseline Road and 17th Avenue when a younger brother who was in the bathroom heard sounds, looked out a window and saw the victim outside collecting cans before alerting his older brother.

The younger brother told Williams the man didn’t speak English and went out to meet the victim. He was able to get the man to leave the backyard and he was met in the front yard by Williams, who struck him in the face, according to the document.


An emergency room doctor told police the victim appeared to have been hit more than once.

Charles Williams


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  • JohnEngelman

    For Americans of all races the face of crime is the face of a young black man.

    • IKantunderstand

      So, “John” , I figure you are from the untouchable class. You emigrated from Bombay. You are smart, you are also extremely dark. You are anxious to fit in. You are , however , right about one thing: you are not a Negro. Sadly, you are still very dark . I do however, appreciate you trying to fit in. Try getting a grip on your Indian socialistic concepts.

    • JackKrak

      For as far back as I can remember, my parents had our local newspaper delivered to our house every day & I started reading it every morning before school from the age of about eleven or twelve. Well, “reading” it might be a stretch – it was usually the sports page, then the comics and then the front page & metro sections if I had time. Anyway, long before I could understand what I was looking at, I noticed that the metro section was basically a daily crime report and easily four out of five mugshots were of black people (this was back in the Stone Age when newspapers actually printed mugshots of minorities – shocking, I know….). Anyway, partially due to this and other things like being bused an hour across town to go to seventh grade in a “vibrant” community I was racially aware by the time I was 15 or so – I just didn’t know it then.

      • JohnEngelman

        My local newspaper does not report the race of criminal suspects. Therefore, I will read something like, “The seventy year old widow was mugged on the way home from church by two youths who were in their early twenties. They were about six feet tall, and weighed in the neighborhood of 200 pounds. They were wearing dark sweat shits, and had black hair.”

        Nevertheless, whenever my local newspaper prints the photo of a young black man he has either been arrested, convicted, or he has won an athletic distinction.

  • Puggg

    Knockout King.

    This is an example I think of how maybe Arizona kinda loused its own pooch with SB 1070. Hispanics really aren’t going away, but the law’s existence is making blacks from California think they are and think there are low end jobs available for them.

    • SLCain

      Is there any evidence that blacks are really all that motivated by the dynamics of the labor market?

      • LOL!!! So true Cain. I think the last thing on a Africans mind is how well the job market in a particular region is doing before he relocates there. The laziest race of people to have ever walked the face of the earth.

  • Normal response ….. shithole ghetto rats get their yard cleaned by an illegal yet industrious neighbor …… so they kill him.

  • IstvanIN

    You know how I keep 84 year old men from collecting cans in my back yard? I keep them in the recycling barrel in the garage. I have never had to beat up octogenarian yet!

    • AutomaticSlim

      Because you are not a home owner courtesy of the Community Reinvestment Act.
      If in fact this black and his “family” own that place. Maybe renting on Section 8? Either way, he belonged in a cage and now he will be in one. Or lethal injection, if possible.

      • HamletsGhost

        Unfortunately, the only way this puke would get the needle is if he were convicted of first degree murder. Second degree will only get him a maximum of life behind bars.

        As a taxpayer, I find the ultimate outcome of this sad story to be most unsatisfying. He’ll spend the next 50 or so years eating and sleeping at my expense. The least they could do would be to order him to surrender one of his kidneys to help defray the cost of his imprisonment.

        • IstvanIN

          Who would want it?

  • ageofknowledge

    And they wonder why we don’t want to move to their neighborhoods. Robbery and violence are about all there is to look forward to.

    • SLCain

      To say nothing of back-yards strewn with cans. Colt 45, perhaps?

      • ageofknowledge

        Crack pipes and dirty needles too.

      • JohnEngelman

        And Blast.

  • That old Vietnamese man probably suffered great tribulations during his life. He may have experienced napalm bombings, communist persecution, starvation and who knows what else. Then, at the end of his life, while trying to eke out a living collecting cans, a trashy, good-for-nothing subhuman snuffs out his life. Williams is a good argument for abortion.

    • freddy_hills

      Williams is a good argument for capital punishment.

      • tickyul

        Williams is a good argument for the woodchipper.

      • dukem1

        Good for nothing.

      • Unperson

        Williams is a good argument for segregation.

    • icelandic

      ????? What a load of liberal hogwash!

    • The__Bobster

      Like Bantu Iraqi war veterans, he was safer in a country at war than in America.

  • Pelagian

    This old man is a different race than I. Nonetheless, I find myself oddly moved by this story, almost to the point of tears. My sympathy goes out to him with every fibre of my being, same as it would be a white man. My sympathy is to anyone who blithely and innocently gets swept up into the black meat grinder.

    • Paul

      The immigrant was trespassing for the purpose of theft. So no he isn’t innocent. He didn’t deserve to die, but he wasn’t just walking down the road minding his own business either.

      • Michael_C_Scott

        I think it would be more a case of trespassing for the purpose of cleaning up a littered neighborhood eyesore. Since the old guy was already leaving, what exactly was the point to beating the daylights out of him?

        • Paul

          There was no point beating the daylights out of him. That was clearly wrong and the black kid will go to prison for it (hopefully). But if we assume that the black kid lived in the home legally, then by US laws he had a right to his private property. This reminds me of an article on VDARE about Hmong immigrants in Wisconson tresspassing on private property to hunt. Too many immigrants break the law then claim that they didn’t know it was illegal. I don’t buy that.

          • 5n4k33y35

            Didn’t look like a “kid” to me. It was a pure act of sadism.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Ignorance of the law is never an excuse, and neither is the claim that one could not understand orders in plain English to leave. And yes, the right to enjoy one’s private property includes the right to chase unwanted strangers out of one’s yard.

      • icelandic

        THANK YOU. Loads of Vietnamese people (especially teens) cause problems in the USA. Not rationalizing this sick savagery but people…come on!

        • The__Bobster

          Asylum seekers from a country that is now safe should return home.

        • Paul

          You must live on the West Coast like me I assume. Asian immigrants aren’t the great boon to America that some think when they overtake entire neighborhoods.

          • JohnEngelman

            I liked it when Vietnamese took over downtown San Jose, California. They liked me.

        • JohnEngelman

          I lived with Vietnamese in San Jose, California. They are fine people.

          • someguy

            I live in an upcoming area that is populated with a significant portion of Vietnamese. In general, they seem to make good neighbors. I will say it is not uncommon to see an old man/woman walking around collecting cans from garbage cans. It doesn’t really bother me. Could be a lot worse.

          • icelandic

            About six were on a robbery spree in the East Bay a few years ago holding up restaurants. Glad you had a happier Bay Area experience than some of us. It can go both ways.

  • KenelmDigby

    Blacks wouldn’t give you the proverbial ‘skin off a flint’.
    In fact they wouldn’t even give you an empty can from their front yard.

  • freddy_hills

    How dare that 84 year old man try to steal the aluminum cans this yoof was too lazy to dispose of himself. What was he thinking dissing a young brotha like that? Wiliams was just keeping it real and now a racist justice system is discriminating against him.

    • OTOH, he’ll look real fly in Sheriff Joe’s pink boxer shorts. He better hope for his sake that with all the Hispanics in that tent, (I don’t know if Hispanic-black animosity in Phoenix has reached Los Angeles style levels yet), that he’ll be able to keep them on.

  • Jeddermann.

    As others have said, this Vietnamese man probably suffered really badly his whole life, did not even understand English and did not understand what was occurring at the time this “yoof” was after him, etc. Crimes like this are aggravated too. Killing a senior citizen calls for normally three times the amount of prison time. Let us hope so. Charles for the rest of his life in prison, no matter how many years.

    • StillModerated

      Apparently, prison is the new slavery.

    • The__Bobster

      I’m guessing that he was here almost forty years, yet he still couldn’t speak English? Or maybe he just didn’t understand ebonics?

  • Without even click on this, I knew the criminal was a negro. They are a pestilence on the land and the dwellers within.

  • StillModerated

    … an 84-year-old man collecting aluminum cans from the suspect’s backyard.

    Naturally, the black man thinks it’s somebody else’s job to clean up after them because they’re too irresponsible, shiftless and incompetent.

    This comment is neither false nor racist.

    • icelandic

      Yes, only non sequiter…

  • Paul

    Why is this posted on AmRen? Yes it shows the nature of black violence, but the guy collecting cans was an Asian immigrant who didn’t speak enough English or even understand American laws/customs enough to know you don’t go into someones “gated backyard” to collect their stuff, even if you see stuff you think is recyclable trash. Is it legal in Vietnam to go onto someone’s property to “collect” stuff that isn’t yours? I have some lumber and an old bbq that doesn’t work in my gated backyard and if I saw anyone back there I would grab my pistol and my dog and tell them to get off my property. Punching them AFTER leaving is clearly uncalled for but so is going into someones yard to take stuff (which is theft actually).
    This is one reason why White countries need to close the borders.

    • IstvanIN

      I think you are missing the point, or you are black yourself. Killing an 84 year old man because he was trespassing and picking up discarded cans is extreme, regardless of his race. It just shows the savagery of blacks. Would you really shoot an old man for picking up cans? Stealing a barbeque or a pile of lumber is theft, true enough, but wouldn’t it be more prudent to ask the old man to put them back, or take them away from him, or call the police? An 84 year old could have dementia. And most people would consider cans laying on the ground to be rubbish, which isn’t comparable to a pile of lumber awaiting a project. Killing, not self defense, is wrong, regardless of race.

      • icelandic

        WRONG. A lily white man shot dead a Japanese honor exchange student simply for KNOCKING on his door when he went to the wrong address. No one at AMR would EVER think to question the white man’s stupidity. The Black kid is an evil savage but you want the castle doctrine then you need to realize that it is going to apply to all kinds as well.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          He didn’t shoot the Japanese kid for knocking on his door. The kid’s friend had knocked at the guy’s door, and the Japanese kid – trying to catch up with his friend – approached at a dead run. The friend who knocked on the door wasn’t shot.

          The homeowner drew completely the wrong conclusion, and I think he even ordered the running kid to stop before he fired. It was covered on “60 Minutes”, and even the left-ish coverage there wasn’t successful at making the homeowner look very culpable.

        • IstvanIN

          The castle doctrine would be hard to prove in the case of the 84 year old. Merely passing through one’s backyard, collecting cans, and not threatening the homeowner would make it difficult to prove immediate danger or self-defense and give you the right to shoot someone dead.

          • A. Windaus

            I don’t believe the Castle Doctrine extends outside of your building of residence, building of work or occupied vehicle. In other words, your back-yard and front-yard are not covered by this law. You can demand someone to leave your property and have them formally charged with a trespass notice, but only if they come back would it then become a criminal issue.

          • Pelayo

            The Castle Doctine varies from state vis a vis one’s right to use deadly force on the outside of the property.

        • The__Bobster

          As I recall, that shooting occurred in a neighborhood full of Bantu savages and the Jap kid was knocking on the door in a very excited manner.

        • curri

          Do you realize how old 84 is? Do they hide away all the octogenarians in Iceland?

      • Paul

        First, no I’m not black. Second, no I would not shoot someone for being in my backyard, but I would probably grab a pistol before going outside. And then I would tell them to leave (as I stated before). Of course killing is wrong and this kid will go to prison for it.

        • IstvanIN

          My God, you would wave a pistol at an 84 year old man? I still think that is extreme.

          • Paul

            Obviously my “grab a pistol” comment is distracting from my main point which is that the 84 year old guy is clearly in the wrong to go into a gated backyard to collect cans. I also think AmRen could have picked a better article to highlight black violence. This a pro white website and I don’t feel too bad for a non white immigrant who shouldn’t be in this country. He didn’t deserve to die, but this really isn’t a story AmRen should be concerned with IMO. And no I wouldn’t “wave” a pistol at a 84 year old man, but what if the guy had his 23 year old Asian thug grandson standing around the corner? I would like to have a pistol in my pocket when I confront strangers and I carry a pistol while walking my dog every day. I don’t think this is abnormal at all considering the black on white attacks that occur and I live in an area that has far too many blacks and browns (and Asians).

    • The__Bobster

      The Hmong believe they can trespass on other peoples’ land and shoot anyone who challenges them.

      Sixth Deer Hunter Dies After Wisconsin Shootings
      Minnesota Man In Custody
      POSTED: 6:38 am EST November 22, 2004
      UPDATED: 10:24 pm EST November 22, 2004

      BIRCHWOOD, Wis. — A sixth deer hunter has died of wounds suffered in a shooting in northwestern Wisconsin.

      The sixth hunter’s family released a statement through Lakeview Medical Center in Rice Lake, saying 55-year-old Denny Drew died at St. Joseph Hospital in Marshfield.

      He was among eight people wounded in the shooting that broke out, apparently after a hunter was told to leave a tree stand on private property Sunday.

  • icelandic

    ??? Vietnamese man kills Black in the same situation would AMR care? So the Vietnamese guy who is unassimilated is now above the American born? Vietnamese became white casue celebres when? Must have missed that class.

    • SLCain

      Yes, if a vietnamese “youth” beat an 84 year-old black man to death for picking up cans in his yard, I would find that reprehensible and think that the vietnamese in question is guilty of a crime.

      How often does that happen, though?

      • JohnEngelman

        Not very often at all. When I lived in San Jose, California I felt perfectly safe among Vietnamese.

        • AutomaticSlim

          I lived in the Bay area for a while back in the early 90s.

          The Vietnamese did have some gangs in San Jose.
          And I remember a very bad hostage situation, maybe in Concord or Sacramento, where some gang from Thailand or Laos or some other south Asian country murdered 3 or 4 people.

          While I agree that some Asians are very law abiding, there is a difference between Northeast Asians and Southeast/South Asians.

          • JohnEngelman

            Of course there are Oriental criminals. My point, substantiated by essays by Jared Taylor and J. Philippe Rushton, is that they have a lower crime rate than whites. I lived in downtown San Jose during the late 1970s and early 1980s. I was surrounded by Vietnamese refugees. I never had any trouble with them. I never heard of anyone else who did.

          • icelandic

            I was there and I remember and I’m not excusing the Black savage but firm borders and friendly dealings. Being separate is the way.

      • curri

        Of course I’d bet it has never happened once in recorded history.

    • StillModerated

      Because an 84 year-old is still working while a 19 year-old, liver-lipped, barely functional retard can only commit felony murder. Nguyen was probably trying to make his neighborhood a better place.

      • icelandic

        ” Nguyen was probably trying to make his neighborhood a better place.” That’s a fantasy, sorry.

  • Michael_C_Scott

    The old Viet clearly should have rung the doorbell and asked for the cans. Having someone clean up their yard for free, just to keep the cans for recycling would have probably appealed to these African slobs. The immediate problem: the guy didn’t speak any English.

    The problem with the Big Picture – the one Amren addressed by linking to this sad incident – is that we Americans have over 35 million representatives of a hominid subspecies who’s sense of entitlement extends to beating to death 84 year-olds who could not have possibly posed any sort of physical threat to them.

    • The__Bobster

      35 million mudflaps? We should be so lucky.

  • FourFooted_Messiah

    I don’t truck with trespassing. The guy did not respect what fences are for. However, the situation probably could have been resolved, peacefully, if the attacker had LOOKED first to see with whom he was dealing.

    The major problem here is, the guy doesn’t speak English, and speaking English is somehow not encouraged any more. Why do people think they can come to North America with not one word of English? The Polish guy in the Vancouver airport could have saved his life by simply having a translation dictionary, but no, he thought he could get by just speaking Polish.

    I have no problem giving cans to people who are ballsy/desperate enough to knock on my door and ask for them (unless they are not asking for themselves, but for some overseas charity. though I did once donate about $50 worth to a school for their field trips, just because I didn’t like the bottle depot guy and didn’t want to deal with him.) In fact, I used to save them up just to give them to a mentally-challenged fellow who would come around once in a while – and he always knocked, and asked politely. I wouldn’t like them being stolen, however. Ask, and ye may well recieve – steal, and face the consequences.

    But how do you get it through the head of someone who can’t speak your language that they should ask, instead of trespassing and stealing?

  • curri

    Why isn’t this first-degree murder ? It looks like was plenty of time for premeditation.

  • WardKendall

    Considering this Vietnamese man was 84 years old, that would mean he was in his healthy, robust 30’s back in 1960’s Vietnam. I can’t help but wonder if he once prowled the streets of Saigon asking American GI’s if they want “fuckee-suckee” for “five dolla”. Or perhaps he wore black silk pajamas and spent his nights tossing Chinese stick grenades into GI bars and then spraying the survivors with AK-47 fire.

    Now he’s a gnarled, wheezing foreigner roaming the back alleys of a feral wasteland even more deadly than the Ho Chi Minh trail, foraging for scraps overlooked by America’s two-legged, black-faced hyenas. What were his last thoughts as that big-lipped monstrosity (see photo above) savaged him beyond recognition? Fleeting memories of his childhood village back in Vietnam, someplace called No Dam Phuk or Suc Muk Dik or some other speck in the jungle?

    Did he not know that a negroid neighborhood is the most dangerous jungle on earth?

    The Towers of Eden

    Hold Back This Day

    • icelandic

      Vivid post to say the least.