Petition for Texas to Secede from US Reaches Threshold for White House Response

Vignesh Ramachandran, MSNBC, November 12, 2012

An online petition that calls for the State of Texas to withdraw from the U.S. and create its own government on Monday reached the required signature threshold to receive an official response from The White House.

The petition on asks the Obama administration to “peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own new government.” The petition had surpassed 34,000 signatures as of Monday evening. It was created by a person self-identified only as “Micah H.” from Arlington, Texas.

The petition cites the nation’s economic woes as an issue and says that the condition of Texas’ budget and economy make it “practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union.”

Online petitions on that get sufficient support are reviewed by White House staff and “sent to the appropriate policy experts.” To be searchable on in the first place, petitions currently need to get 150 signatures within 30 days. To get an official response, petitions need 25,000 signatures within 30 days.

Similar petitions from other states have also been filed including: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Tennessee. However, unlike the petition from Texas, none of these states had reached the 25,000-signature threshold to get an official White House response as of Monday evening.


Catherine Frazier, press secretary for Texas Gov. Rick Perry, told NBC News Monday that the governor “believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it.”


[Editor’s Note: Petitions for secession can be seen and signed here. You must register at the White House site in order to sign a petition, but it can be done quickly. You need not be a resident of a state to sign it’s petition.]


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  • Matt

    Given Texas’ demographics, I’m not sure this drive for secession will succeed. I reference Quebec’s attempting to separate from Canada. In the 1995 referendum on sovereignty (the second time and the second defeat), Quebec premier Jacques Parizeau stated that the drive for separation was curtailed because of “money and the ethnic vote.” He was roundly pilloried for making this comment, but it WAS honest! If only French-speaking whites had voted in the 1995 Quebec referendum, it would surely have resulted in Quebec separation (or an attempt to separate until cooler heads prevailed, given that Quebec gets far more financial largesse from the rest of Canada than it has ever given back).

    I doubt Hispanics and other non-whites in Texas will want separation. After all, why bite the hand that feeds you (i.e., Washington & Obama)? And from what I’ve read, Texas is very rapidly turning into a non-white majority state. I would bet that Texas secession will be derailed once again on account of “money and the ethnic vote.” Obama will fight it with all the financial resources at his disposal, and non-whites will want to stay with Obama and the gravy train.

    • Even if it were to show any signs of being feasible and able to overcome the enormous pressures it would face, there’s just nothing that prevents it from being another extension of Party politics. The coup de grace would come the very instant they were given the litmus test to prove their non-racial affiliations. These milquetoast racialists and assorted reactionaries fail it every single time. You’ll see black and brown faces propped up and paraded around like it’s some kind of a testament that multiracial Utopianism just wasn’t being done the “right” way.

      • You Are Now Enriched

        Thom Hartman, the geeky White liberal, was celebrating the “big step forward toward progress” today when he was talking about the more Diverse congress that better reflects the “real America”.

        To liberals, any trend toward fewer Whites is a good trend. Our job need to be making sure they get the full effect of the Diversity Curse long before we do…

        • tickyul

          Dude is very smart but blinded by ideology. He can spout facts that support HIS point of view….that is all he can see.
          Many of the ideologically driven Libs are some of the smartest people I have ever listened to.

          • From my experience, ideologically driven libs have a few that are very good at “being clever with logic,” but most are are a true blank when it comes to thought and reason.

          • tickyul

            Yes, many libs are stunted in the logic and reason department. They do not want to explore much of anything that may go against their way of thinking.

    • Francis Galton

      Actually, Texas is already majority non-White. The 2010 Census has the White population at 45.3%. The only reason Texas doesn’t “seem” like a majority non-White state is because the overwhelming majority of White Texans are ultra-conservative or libertarian, and so Texas is still a deep-red Republican stronghold with a modicum of fiscal sanity. It also helps that the majority of the Texas electorate consists of these sorts of people (unless the demographic tide is stopped, this will probably change in about 10 years or so.)

      Incidentally, California is 40.1% White, which isn’t much less than Texas. The reason why Texas is still first-world and California is degenerating into a third-world hellhole is because California Whites were long-ago infected with the Progressive Disease. Many Whites there are totally myopic when it comes to broad fiscal and social issues–as long as voting for Radical Egalitarians makes them feel more-virtuous-than-thou, they will never pay attention to their own racial dispossession.

      • I fear for the SW and Florida which are a magnet for all things hispanic.

        • blight14

          And even worse in south Florida…….

      • seek

        There’s another and possibly more important reason. Texas Hispanics typically go back several generations, unlike California where most Hispanic adults are either first- or second-generation. Also, those in Texas are more Caucasian in their features. The dark Mestizo and pure Amerindian types are common to California and the desert Southwest.

        • newscomments70

          I’ve worked in rural Texas. Many of the Mexicans i worked with were very Caucasion-looking and acting. I know many Amreners won’t like me for saying that, but I found that to be true.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            I went to federal prison in Texas, and I have to agree. Mind you, I was at a low-security facility, but they were nothing like the politicized Hispanics one encounters in California or my own pet hate: Denver.

    • not1984but1776

      Read the Old Testament. The kings of Assyria pursued a deliberate policy of deporting part of the population of any territory that rebelled and replacing it with foreigners from other parts of their empire (Exhibit #1 – the Northern Kingdom, destroyed in 722 BC). The resulting diversity and multiculturalism markedly reduced the likelihood that no further rebellions would take place, as the new population consisted of several different ethnicities, languages and religions.

      There’s method in the madness.

      • IstvanIN

        And that is why they are flooding Main and Wisconsin with Somalis. The final pincer movement against white America. The final solution to the problem that is us.

      • JohnEngelman

        The Assyrian Empire had to keep putting down rebellions. Finally the Chaldeans rebelled. with the help of the Medes and the Scythians they captured the Assyrian capital at Nineveh.

    • William_JD

      Texas has been majority non-White since 2003.

  • Nobody likes a know-it-all, well, nobody except Bon and I.

    But with secession back in the news, it irks me almost to no end when people confound “secession” and “succession.”

    Secession is creating a new political entity splitting off a smaller part of a larger entity. South Sudan seceded from Sudan in 2011. Succession is one thing following another in a prescribed fashion. When Queen Elizabeth II dies, Prince Charles will succeed her on the throne.

  • libertarian1234

    ‘Gov. Perry, however, “believes in the greatness of our Union . . . nothing should be done to change it.” ‘

    I’m pretty sure he means, “Nothing yet,” just as several other governors do.

    But the pro-black, anti-white agenda of Holder and Obama is just getting started, and they have four more years of forcing outrage down our throats.

  • I understand there’s a big meeting tonight at 7PM of all Texans behind the Porto-San.

    • mobilebay

      I’ve live in Texas for a long time, but I don’t know what a Porto-San is. Am I missing something? Should I worry? Is it anything like a Porta-Potty?

  • pmdawn

    A better headline might read “99.9% of Texans Reject Ideas of

    • NYB

      Only a referendum could find that out.

      As the Texas petition nears 100,000 signatures in less than a week, I think the “99.9 percent” rejecting figure is far from accurate.

      • Charles Edward Lincoln III

        It’s not like this made the news until yesterday….. I wouldn’t be too surprised if Texas got 1,000,000 signatures for secession if this rate of growth of the list continues. Louisiana started the movement but hasn’t grown so much after passing 31,000—Florida came in Third Place but started, Georgia would have already passed the threshold if it didn’t have two competing petitions, but it might just pass them on BOTH eventually. Alabama and Tennessee are coming in soon. Mississippi is strangely lagging behind. South Carolina, Ohio, and Missouri are also “suffering” from having two petitions but I suspect they will all pass the 25,000 threshold. It IS mostly symbolic, at this point, but it’s a symbol, kind of like 100,000 (really inexpensive and not-actually-inflammable) burning crosses, that ought to make SOMEONE in the White House sit up and take notice….. Yes, signing these Petition one week after the election is a cheap gesture of frustration and anger. But at least it’s good to know that our frustration and anger are not unique and that we are not alone….

    • not1984but1776

      You’re committing a logical fallacy here. Not signing doesn’t necessarily imply disagreement. To start with, how many Texans even know about this?

    • libertarian1234

      That’s like speaking about a rapidly spreading virus that brought down 1% of the population and trying to assure people by telling them that 99% were just fine.

      • pmdawn

        Yes, it’s a concept known as “survival for the fittest”.

        • libertarian1234

          It doesn’t apply.

          • pmdawn

            It applies to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

          • libertarian1234

            “Two brain cells to rub together?”

            That’s your explanation in defense of your position? And a comparison to the “Survival of the fittest?”

            Such clear, cogent thinking is rare indeed.

          • pmdawn

            Ho hum..

  • Hey Federal Government, we will trade you Puerto Rico for Texas.

  • NYB

    Louisiana has now also passed the threshold.

    Georgia and Tennessee will soon follow.

    • You Are Now Enriched

      Georgia is scared of the liberal Whites and the black NAACP in Atlanta calling them racists. Don’t expect much from Georgia. St. MLK is buried there, after all, so nobody would dare besmirch his “storied and historic legacy of postive social change”.

      • I volunteer to dig him up and bury him in the NE state of, well, any of em.

        • StillModerated

          Re-inter his bones on the campus of whichever university issued his bogus PhD. Boston College, if I remember rightly.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Burned and ashes scattered seems best.

          • William_JD

            It was Boston UNIVERSITY.

        • jeffaral

          Marching Looting Kings grave should be relocated to a cemetery in mother Africa!

        • Fr. John+

          Amen. Preach it, brother.

  • Johnny Rebel

    If Texas does secede – regardless of how unlikely it might be- we could do with Perry what the secession convention of 1861 did with the Unionist Sam Houston. Resign him from office if he refuses to go along with it.

    To handyandy2:
    Like ever’ thin’ else in Texas our porto-sans are much bigger than the ones ya’ll up north got.
    We can fit a lot a Texans behind em.

    Can’t wait to read the come backs on this one.

  • NYB

    Florida has passed the threshold.

    • NYB

      North Carolina has passed the threshold.

      The white house must now issue a response to secession petitions from Texas, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, and North Carolina.

  • Francis Galton

    Texas is a ripe candidate for secession:

    1) It has a well-deserved reputation for independence–a conservative/libertarian state that has both “sovereign nation” and “part of another sovereign nation” on its less-than-200-year-old historical resume. Think about it–it seceded from Mexico, became its own nation for about 10 years, and then seceded AGAIN–that time from the US–only 15 years thereafter. You could say that Texas is a “nation in a state’s body.”

    2) With this proud political heritage comes a love-affair with firearms–Texas has a very strong, dedicated gun culture, and to some degree the attitude of the Texas body politic is perfectly encapsulated by the Gadsden Flag and its iconic image of a snake. You can infer the rest….

    3) As of 2010, only 1.8% of Texas land is directly owned by the Federal Government, which represents only 0.47% of Federal land-holdings. While there’s no doubt the Feds would prefer not to part with any of their “property,” this situation is certainly a much better situation for secessionists than, say, a potential Republic of Alaska, where 61.8% of the state is “owned” by the Feds–a whopping 35.9% of all federal land! The Feds may very well decide to cede control of that tiny portion of land, rather than risk the ire of mad-as-hell Texans acting in concert.

  • pmdawn

    I would like my local village to be an independent state.

    Better still, my home is my castle, so perhaps my castle and its grounds of half an acre should
    declare independence.

    • guestb

      Bangladesh is only 1/30 compared to Calif. Don’t insult what you don’t know.Vatican is a special case, but we know how gigantic that is.

  • guest

    I have a hard time taking any secession movement seriously that has to ask for permission from the White House.

  • The Diff

    I am not a crackpot. I will relate to you a vivid dream i had 4/11/11 unbeknownst to me at the time, the eve of the 150th anniversary of the firing on Fort Sumter. I was in a bookstore, i opened a Bible and the inside cover had a Commemorative Map of “The New Confederate States of America”…each state of the old south and Texas too were separated out from the US and separated further by themselves and highlighted around their respective borders.With God as my witness, It said President Rand Paul.I have taken the legitimacy of the dream that the map was in a Bible, which means alot to me.

    • You Are Now Enriched

      Rand Paul has “evolved” on immigration, and now wants a “path to citizenship,” which is amnesty for illegal border jumpers and their families back home.

      Your dream was a nightmare.

  • Susan

    So now people who have signed for sesession are being targeted for exile and stripping citizenship.This is outrageous.Just read that they want an executive order from Obamy against us.They will stop at nothing these communists.

    • They aren’t ready yet to take such overt action. However, perhaps those 60000 or so new IRS agents will be given those petition names to start knocking on doors. It would not surprise me.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      There is no legal mechanism for stripping a natural-born citizen from citizenship and exiling them. It is interesting, though that the same liberals who approved of the peaceful breakup of Czechoslovakia and who were appalled by the death throes of Yugoslavia are talking about stripping people of their citizenship and exiling them (where?) to prevent a peaceful separation here.


      • Unless that citizenship were obtained errounsly, as is the case of millions of anchor
        babies born to illegal invaders while squatting on US soil. I will never, ever believe
        for one minute that the 14th Amendment intended to convey US citizenship to the offspring of those here in violation of our immigration laws, as well as sovereignty. Never!

        Therefore, it would seem to we have millions of anchor babies, masquerading as US citizens, who could be deported to their beloved mexico. I know it will never happen, but one can dream…

  • You Are Now Enriched

    Gov. Perry is a country club Republican who talks about secession when people want to hear it, then he hates them when they really want to do it.

    The Sesceh talk is nonsense. They should be putting pressure on their governors and state attorneys general to interpose against Fed. over reach. White Americans don’t even know how to be Americans any longer. Our future suffering is long overdue…

    In other news, on the latest “surround White girls with afrovoodoo Diversity” TV commercials, the image of the beautiful White girls was always followed by ugly blacks who got uglier as the commercial proceeded. The only White dude looked liberal and had a beard.

    • StillModerated

      I have come to the conclusion that television advertising has pretty much become negro science fiction.

      • Charles Edward Lincoln III

        I just saw the movie “Flight”—complex plot but one constant: the alcoholic black pilot who saved the plane and then went to jail for manslaughter has great romantic relations with beautiful white women who are drug addicts, alcoholics, and prostitutes in desperate need of rehab, but his middle class home, wife, and child are black—this is called “the world turned upside down”—his skillful lawyer is black and his drug-dealer and union boss and unsympathetic corporate boss are all white. Hollywood has totally turned the world order on its head….. the question is: did they do it for business (i.e. because such stories are popular) or to remake the world that way? The movie “Seven Psychopaths” also had a Polish guy from Chicago with a black wife…..murdered by (you guessed it) another White Psychopath….. Other movies released this year (e.g. “House at the end of the Street” and “Perks of Being a Wallflower” concur in showing middle class white people as seriously disturbed psychopaths…. OK, so, I see too many movies, I guess because I live in LA, but I think it’s important to observe and record the subversion of our way of life and analyze the patterns of twisting (“reforming and reshaping reality?”) in some substantial detail…..

        • mobilebay

          I was going to take you to task for revealing the plot of the the movies that I might want to see, but then I saw that you live in LA, so you have my condolences instead.

  • preparationHbomb

    I have long predicted that, alas, the Dems would win the 2012 election, BUT — due to the level of rage in so many citizens over the liberalization of our country, the very existence of those at the top of the party winners’ list is in serious jeopardy. I am NOT happy about this, as I do believe in ferreting out more peaceful solutions. However, see this link — it isn’t only Texas. And out of that rage which is the impetus for this “symbolic action” will come drastic action. Get ready for a rocky road ahead, America….

  • storibund

    Lefties are now flooding the petition site with multiple petitions for states, hoping that poor hapless fools that go to sign up, will sign a bogus petition and thereby thwart the evil separatists’ plans…

    Wonder why they’re so threatened by this? 😉

  • I NEED HELP. I created the petition for West Virginia. To grant the State of WVa to withdraw from the USA and create its own NEW government.

    I have had to alter the wording to fit Twitter ….

    • I am replying to my own message to explain myself. I am a legal resident of West Virginia looking to return home permanently, but for the past 6 years no employment opportunities have existed for which I would be qualified. I still sent unsolicited resumes, multiple times to the same companies. Nothing. I can’t get employed in West Virginia Ohio, Pennsylvania, or Maryland, because of current or past administrations. There is a war on INDEPENDENCE. The last 50 years of government have been a war for DEPENDENCE upon government.

  • rogue18

    Secession will not work because there are too many non-whites, liberals, and moderates in basically every state. If your state went for Obama or just barely went against him like North Carolina how could you ever hope to get enough political support for secession?

    The South was able to secede last time because they didn’t give their blacks a say in the matter. But now blacks can vote and mass immigration has progressed to the point that a number of analysts think that even Georgia could be in play for the Democrats next time around.

    • Steel_Quake77

      ‘Secession will not work because there are too many non-whites, liberals, and moderates in basically every state.’

      Ever been to Idaho?

      (Actually they would be land-locked so probably not a good idea, but there are in fact land-locked nations, like Mongolia.)

      • Michael_C_Scott

        And the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Switzerland, and Serbia. This leaves out ministates like Lichtenstein and Andorra, several former Soviet republics, and completely dysfunctional “nations” like Paraguay, the Central African Republic, South Sudan and Afghanistan.

        Didn’t the South Sudan just secede from a tyrannical government in Khartoum they loathed? What was the take on that by our liberal hypocrites?

  • It’s up to 47 states now:

    Three more, and we can ask the bumper sticker appropriate question:

    What if they had a union, but nobody came?

    • Puggg

      Or, Obama would say:

      “But I still have ten states!”

  • NYB

    Georgia and Alabama have met the threshold.

  • The counter petition:

    Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to
    Secede and Exile Them

    • StillModerated

      OK. But the trouble is that the petition is for Pole-smoking Barry Soetoro to sign an Executive Order, and those only apply to the Executive Branch.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      OK. Give me all my guns and pay me fair value for every thing I don’t burn down before I leave.

    • Yep, I went and looked, and that is what the petition says. Interesting, thanks for the post. The hate of these people when they are challenged is blind and absolute. Their hate is the one that is real and prejudiced. In fact if you look around, you will start to see more examples, and you can accuse these people of hate, and it is very nice feeling to do so. I was going to a secularist group for a while. To me, all the movies they showed were a continuing drum roll of hate religion, hate God, hate the people who are members of religions. That’s exactly how I felt about these movies. At one of the meetings I said how I felt. I don’t know if I want to experience again what happened right after that, but after time I felt good because it super twisted these people into a confused, definitely partly fearful (?terrified) state (the club is on a politically correct campus – aren’t most campuses – the campus has a very dominating Office of Diversity). Since then, it has dawned on me that political correctness has gone so far in so many areas, one might be able to do this honestly in more places than secularism clubs.

  • NYB

    Tennessee has met the threshold.

  • Cyb

    If they can’t even nullify the TSA and Obamacare, theres no freakin way they can succeed

    • Charles Edward Lincoln III

      We’ll see if Texas can nullify the TSA and Obamacare…. I think the rebirth of the concept of State Sovereignty is encouraging, even if the reality died in the 1930s with the New Deal, Social Security, revenue-sharing and the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority), all of which are utterly and completely unconstitutional but protected by the Supreme Court….especially but not limited to “progressives” such as Justice Felix Frankfurter and Benjamin Cardozo…..

  • BillC

    I argued with my sons that our policies in the Balkans would reduce any arguments against secession and increased nationalism throughout the world, i.e. violating the liberal mindset that national or cultural pride was invalid and that multiculturalism should prevail. No one can now deny the legitimacy of secession, especially given that we supported it with American treasure and lives in Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Sudan, etc etc.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Reduce arguments against secession? It hasn’t “reduced” such arguments; it has altogether nullified them!

  • Eurobeing

    Secession is sticky business especially if you remember what happend last time it was tried.

    The good news is we are headed for financial meltdown and Obamacare has robbed seniors of a lot of their medical care and given it to illegal aliens.

    If a serious Greece/like meltdown happens I look for this movement to take off exponentially.

    That would really be in our favor becaus even the Obamanoid women who put him over the top couldn’t deny it and they would be fighting off EBT card recipients at the stop lights in your bigger cities. Nothing like revenge rape by a black at a stop light to change your mind.

    The good thing is once whites became ordered organized and insistent then they can pretty well accomplish what they want some lynchings and tar and featherings along with some deportations of malcontents would go far to raise conscience-ness regarding white plight and injustice in America.

    Peace and Justice by any means necessary

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Secession would have worked in the US the last time had not the Confederacy committed the appalling political blunder of shelling Fort Sumter, even though with its position in Charleston harbor this was militarily the correct decision. The real amateurs always misread von Clausewitz and place “military necessity” at the head of the line, which is the diametric opposite to his statement “War is a continuation of politics by other means.” Oddly enough, von Clausewitz was better understood in Britain than in Germany.

      The only thing the War Between the States completely proved was that an agricultural nation of 20 million people can not defeat an industrial nation of 40 million people, no matter how tough the farmers and their sons are. The Boers learned this lesson – also from the British.

      These petitions won’t get us any genuine traction with the federals, but they’re on notice that secession is back on the table after a hiatus of a century-and-a-half. Please note that nobody thought it would happen before Lincoln was elected, then, either, except in Kansas and Missouri, where the war had already started, and would continue after what became officially known as the American Civil War had already officially stopped.

      The next step is to collect ballot signatures for the 2014 state elections requesting that peaceful secession from the Union be put on the state ballots for popular vote.

      It only takes one state to start the ball rolling, and I recall Idaho having such a ballot issue back in 1992 which unfortunately did not pass.

      I still think we’re heading for Tom Chittum’s Civil War Two, and even after reading his book in 1998, I placed kickoff in the early-to-mid twenty-teens, instead of the five years later he suggested. I think I’m probably right.

      The season for “Extreme Camping and Extreme Hunting” may open as early as next July, which would make me exactly correct in my estimate. My current assignment in this respect is to figure out a way to get my wife and daughter out from here to Japan while figuring out how to keep my mother safe in Boulder. Boulder will be safe for a while, but food deliveries there come from Denver, so I think she’ll need two weeks worth of emergency dry non-perishables, half of which should be edible without any preparation in case of water or power interruptions, as she had her fireplace converted to burn natural gas as a sort of decorative ornament instead of a functional appliance in emergencies.

    • William_JD

      Secession is sticky business especially if you remember what happend last time it was tried.
      BRING. IT. ON.

  • Major

    New York and New Jersey?

  • Major

    New York and New Jersey? Bastions of nanny state and liberal madness?

  • Barbara

    Tennessee has passed the threshold.

  • Ron Paul for President of Texas

  • Fr. John+

    Perry is merely CYA when it comes to his job… or his lust for larger office in 2016, if there IS a 2016. Too little, too late, too bad. Move over. Vive la Revolution.