Overcrowded ER Points to Larger Problems

Victoria Colliver, San Francisco Chronicle, August 7, 2012

California hospitals in areas with large minority populations are disproportionately affected by emergency room overcrowding, making them more likely to ease the congestion by diverting ambulances to other hospitals, according to a UCSF-led study.

The study, which looked at 2007 data from 202 hospitals around the state, found hospitals that served the greatest percentage of minority patients turned away ambulances because of overcrowding as much as four times as often as those that served the smallest number of minorities.

Health experts say ambulance diversion, the practice of turning ambulances away temporarily when a hospital’s emergency department becomes overcrowded, can lead to delayed care and poorer health outcomes.

What this study points to is that overcrowding is a symptom of larger problems within the health care system, the study’s author said. These include patients who lack primary-care services that could keep them out of the hospital, and hospitals that are overwhelmed by poorer patients or could use better emergency management. These issues can be particularly acute in areas with higher minority populations.

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Emergency departments become overcrowded for several reasons. Patients—often those who are uninsured or lack adequate access to primary-care services—end up there for nonurgent care or for serious conditions that could have been treated earlier or even prevented.

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Jan Emerson-Shea, spokeswoman for the California Hospital Association, said communities with high numbers of minorities tend to have more people who are uninsured, are on Medi-Cal or otherwise lack access to care.

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  • Enar_Larsson

    —California hospitals in areas with large minority populations are disproportionately affected by emergency room overcrowding—

    That is a weird way of stating the problem. It looks at first glance like a category error. I never would have thought of overcrowding as an affect, a “having something done to”. Rather, it seems like more of a quantity. “We had lots and lots of customers today”, as opposed to “overcrowding happened to us again today”.

     But I guess it is better politically to think of it as an affect so that it also makes sense to say a hospital can be “disproportionately” affected by overcrowding. Once proportionality is admitted into the discussion we can talk about systematic white racism as the cause. When the question is, why do ER’s in minority neighborhoods tend to serve a higher volume of customers, it doesn’t seem like the answer has to have something to do with a diabolical bully. But if the question is, why do ER’s in minority neighborhoods suffer more from overcrowding than ER’s in white neighborhoods, the answer needs to be something vile.

    • The__Bobster

      Liberals like using the passive voice. That way they’re never responsible when their plans turn to crap.

       Beelzebubba was famous for it.

  • You know it’s funny,  the MSM will admit  the problem is too many NON WHITES (I refuse to use the term MINORITY when referring to non whites) using services they cannot pay for.   They admit that non whites cannot afford insurance and are on Medi-CAL (illegal for most BTW).  The paper then goes on to blame the “health care system.”  Oh no it cannot be the fault of the non white darlings that cannot pay!  It’s funny we never had these overcrowding problems at the hospitals when California was 90% white.  But obviously that will never be uttered in the MSM.  The system will crash just like it was designed to. 

    • crystal evans

      From what I understand, many minorites will wait until a condition becomes so bad that they have to be admitted to the hospital before they will seek help.  One hospital that I am aware of had a fast track program that would treat minor cases separately from the regular emergency room and this lowered wait times for those with more serious conditions.

      • The__Bobster

        Not true. The ER’s in my area are loaded with illegals and welfare mamas who have nothing worse than the common cold.

        It will only get worse under Obongocare.

        • crystal evans

          That was the case with this particular hospital.  I noticed this once when I took my husband there for treatment. He had kidney stones at the time and was not a candidate for fast track.

        • mikejones91

          I worked at a CVS right up from our local housing project. A black mother came in and it was clear her kid had whooping cough. She approached the counter and I could already see she had some type of allergy meds. I told her “Miss, what your child has is NOT allergies. She needs to go to a hospital”. She said “No”, rudely. Then walked her ass back.  I tried.

    • Jesse_from_Sweden

       US health care system is innocent.
      We got free healthcare in Sweden, but we still have the same problem.
      Immigrants, illegal as well as legal, tend to go to the emergency room instead of calling the hospital to get a scheduled time.

      Immigrants overuse various societal resources. Or rather, CERTAIN immigrant groups do, the same groups which tends to always be the problem when it comes to stuff like this.

  • crystal evans

    I have noticed this myself when I had to take my husband to the emergency room. Many of them appear to be illegal immigrants who probably will not pay their bill and instead it will be billed to a so called charity.I think the only way to end this problem is to require that those on Medicaid have a treating physician that they go to for treatment, instead of the emergency room,

    • The__Bobster

      There need to be more walk-in clinics for the ER’s to send the squat monsters to.

      Once treated, they should be send home to Mejico with bills on their culus.

      • crystal evans

        There was a case of an illegal immigrant in New York that fell off a roof at work. He ended up paralyzed and after he was stablized and there was nothing more that the hospital could do for him and he was not eligible for Medicaid as single male, his employer apparently did not carry workers comp insurance, no private nursing home or rehab center would take him. He was transported back to Mexico by the hospital even though there were people who claimed that they would pay his medical bills. He died about a year later.

        • Sherman_McCoy

          And they say there’s no good news . . .

        • ncpride

          I believe his medical bill ran into the millions because he had been there for quite a while, a few years at least, if we’re talking about the same case. I had not heard that someone had offered to pay his bill, but rather that the hospital would eat the cost which is why they could no longer keep him. Didn’t that case go through the courts and all…? I can’t quite remember.

  • Up to my neck in CA

    84 California hospitals are closing their doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system. Between 1993 and 2003, 60 California hospitals closed because half their services became unpaid. Another 24 California hospitals are on the verge of closure.
    https://sites.google.com/site/displacedbyimmigrants/bankrupting-hospitals

    Not sure when this was written, but this sums it up.

  • This is what the Affordable Care Act was created for.

    Illegal alien Hispanics are going to go to the head of the line. They will not be denied coverage.

    • The__Bobster

      Under Obongocare, hospitals are not allowed to ask the invaders if they are illegals. And they have to be treated.

      • Sherman_McCoy

        And who will pay?  Here’s a hint:  France is charging their rich 75% in taxes.

  • potato78

    Why does US have a lot of illegal immigrants but not other countries in the world?  Will US government be bankrupted?  For example, each family has its own financial budget.  If people who do not belong to the family and come to eat free foods.  How long do you think the family can last for happy free food generosity?  Illegal immigrants are not budgeted by US government for head counts.  So either US government will overbudget for these people or tax payers are going to pay the cost.

    • edie

       you country has been sold out by the politicians and ‘patriots’ of the last 40 years.

    • crystal evans

      A lot of countries have illegal aliens, a good example is Israel, which is full of Africans wanting a better life. They have already returned planeloads of them back to South Sudan where they came from. Many came in as refugees but since the war is over, they were sent back to their own country. Australia has boatloads of people mostly from Afghanistan and Tamils from Sri Lanka who want to settle there.

      • rightrightright

        Western Europe is drowning in illegals.  Plus we get third worlder “health tourists” who scamper back home once treatment is completed without paying their bills.  Plus Africans with AIDS who inveigle their way into the country for free treatment, decide they like the good life and handouts, and never go home again.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Since when is this news?  This is one of the main reasons California went from being the 7th largest economy in the world to one of the worst in debt states in the industrialized world.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Here’s what happened; In 1988 California had an election that included a proposition numbered 188 (or 189, somewhere close to that).  That proposition said that illegals could not get free schooling or free healthcare, etc.  The voters PASSED the bill.  What happened next was that La Raza, MECHA, and other Latino/Hispanic action groups sued.  The hearings at the state capitol were picketed by hostile Hispanics.  In the Assembly’s gallery, Hispanics packed in and shouted down the opposing arguments.  No one had the guts to do anything  about it.  In the end the Proposition was declared unconstitutional.

    This was THE main battle for California and Americans, and especially white Americans and especially white Americans in California LOST.  During the following ten years, most white Californians left the state, me included. 

    • tickyul

      Prop 187…………and yes, The commies shot it down.

      • Sherman_McCoy

        As opposed to the communists being shot, er, down.

        Sigh. . .

        • tickyul

          The snots living high on the hog in California are the same ones who wrecked the place.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         While Mexicans (at least the ones we most often deal with) are Marxist
        by thought habit (free stuff sounds good to them, and the poor of the
        Latin American world have long been nominal Marxists), generalizing this way invokes the mentality of McCarthyism and its legacy of ignorant, wild-eyed finger pointing.  McCarthy was right, there WERE communists around, but NOT so much in the government or Hollywood as in the educational system and NOT so much as in the educational system (then) as hiding within it.  McCarthy even missed that the very man who waved his finger at him in the hearings yelling, “Have you no shame?” was none other than Emanuel Cellar an original member of  The Frankfurt School, or that his compatriot Herbert Marcuse (the Father of the New Left) had just published a book called “Eros and Civilization” that would fire the Beatnik movement and later form the foundation of some of the excesses of the ’60s and beyond.  McCarthy missed this because of his polarized attitude that focused him, like a bull to a red cape on the first thing that annoyed him (being an alcoholic didn’t help) rather than doing some real homework, at least enough for him to have been able to counter indict Cellar in that hearing room.

        This is the problem of many on both sides; their words and actions are often based on generalities and attitudes created within a polarized political culture.  This leads to the reactionary response in not just politics, but thinking.  And of course the real problem is that it doesn’t solve or fix anything but only guarantees the likelihood of an ever more intensifying confrontation with no intelligent solution(s) offered.

        • tickyul

          Whiteplight:

                             Thanks for the history lesson. I really should have been more precise with my comments.

                              I place the blame where it should be placed….right at the feet of the corrupt politicians……that is where my flippant remark was aimed.

                               I do not blame Mexicans for wanting free stuff………..I think it is human nature to take when stuff is offered. Look at the USA…..Osama gets another 4 years with ease because people want him to dole out MORE goodies.

                              This country is run by insane, corrupt dreck……nothing will improve.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

             I think by now we have adequate history of all approaches to the problems that human civilization creates.  What’s my point?  Nothing will work.  We are the edge of a major breakdown, even if it is happening too slow for the ant brains of humanity to see it, but it is becoming more palpable with every political bufoon and program AND COMMENT about it I read.

          • tickyul

            I am not a very smart person. But I sometimes feel Like Albert Einstein when I talk to some of my fellow Ameritards.

            The filth and lies that BOTH parties peddle….haha, I do not believe them one bit.

            Many Ameritards are like a rabbit that has been hypnotized by a stoat…..entranced by the BS the creeps spew. 

        • lanceman

          Unless I am mistaken, It was Joseph Welch who said to McCarthy ”
          Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?” McCarthy was basing his “reckless accusations” on a list of US Government employees that were flagged during security investigations several years earlier. That list was compiled during a Democratic administration (FDR) and NOTHING was done about it. Many of these subversives were hired into New Deal Agencies which attracted Reds and for which no background check was required. They ultimately transferred to the State Dept., OSS (forerunner of the CIA) and other war agencies. By that time, they were considered to be OK as they had years of “loyal” service as well as sympathizers to vouch for them.

    • A federal trial court declared the Prop 187 (1994) unconstitutional. An appeal was filed before the Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, but when Pete Wilson (RINO-Repub), lost to Gray Davis (Dem), Davis withdrew the appeal. It was NEVER declared unconstitutional by appellant court, much less by the US Supreme Court.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187_(1994)

      IIRC, Reagan signed the law requiring all ERs to provide service to whoever shows up, regardless of their ability to pay. Combining that law with illegal aliens destroyed the ERs in CA’s Central Valley. That law has been a MASSIVE WEALTH TRANSFER from whites to NAMs (non-Asian minorities). That law needs to be repealed!

      Eight years of George W. Bush, even with the cover of 9-11, and VIRTUALLY NOTHING was done to stop the flow of illegal aliens crossing our borders, much less systematic deportation of ALL illegals (vs illegals convicted of serious violent felonies). Unbelievable!

      Support your state and local TEA parties!

      Support AmRen!

      • crystal evans

        From what I understand, hospitals have to take in emergency cases, regardless of immigration status or ability to pay. Once they are stabilized, they can then be transferred elsewhere.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         Thanks for the clarifications.  It has been a long time and I spent several years in the 1990s in the Balkans in sometimes dangerous situations that have had a tendency to blur some previous memories.  But since my sister worked for a senator in Sacramento and was later a lobbyist for a telephone company there and I saw the disruptions at the capital on tv and through her eyes, I know what happened during that time concerning protests and disruptions.  They happened whenever a bill concerning the future of Mexicans (Hispanic power) in California was at issue.  One of the last times I was in California was on May 1, 2006.  On that day, I drove through (by necessity) the rural Central California Valley (San Joaquin).  The number of Mexican flags waved in our faces and the screaming brown faces we had to make our way past in town after town IS etched clearly in my memory.  That area is now a wasteland, largely abandoned by the state as far as policing and infrastructure, civil support is concerned.

        I support Amren’s efforts to present news that doesn’t get reported otherwise.  However, their real goals seem muddled to me after seven years of posting and taking a more defining role in posting and lately reading comments made to me by the Moderator.  My conclusions are that Amren is more interested in maintaining what they see as their base of financial support (their very small, Christian conservative, “race realist” core) rather than realistically projecting or discussing the future scenarios or even be true to Jeffersonian principles.  But Amren is still the best alternative among a very poor set of choices for whites who care.

        • Shawn_thefemale

          Whiteplight, I tend to agree with your last paragraph. And I’ve never posted in a form in which the moderator took an active part in posting his or her opinion, which I’ve noticed happening in the last few weeks. For some reason it’s rather disconcerting.

          • When the Disqus system premiered in January, when I felt the need to respond to someone, I had the habit of amending people’s posts with bold text.  But that only confused people, thinking that my amendment was part of what the poster said.  It was suggested very heartily that I use a Moderator account to do that, but then that created another problem – I  used it too much to promulgate my own personal opinions.  Not only was that unprofessional, I ran the risk of saying something contrary to AR policy while doing so with the imprimatur of AR power.  I was told not to use the Moderator account for my own personal opinions, and rightly so.  I could create a second Disqus account with some screen name for my own personal opinions, but I don’t want to hassle around with two different Disqus logins.  Therefore, I will have to resist the temptation to participate in the discussion.

        • Hirene

          California should have dumped agriculture a long time ago.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

             Ah, ha, ha, ah, ha, ha….. so much wisdom to find here on Amren.

  • ncpride

    What this study points to is that overcrowding is a symptom of larger problems within the health care system, the study’s author said.

    Nope. What this points to is your serious illegal alien problem that runs into the millions.

  • Illeagl aliens.

  • When the hospital is in a majority black city and the staff of the ER is majority black, whitey gets pushed to the back of the line.  I have seen this first hand.  Took my girlfriend to the hospital when she broke her arm one morning.  We went into the ER about 10am.  After maybe 20-30 minutes, she was triaged, then we were sent back out to sit and wait.

    All day long we sat and waited with her crying in pain.  All around us, bantu came and went.  Sniffles, headaches, colds, “da flu” (in the middle of summer), “my blood be high”, “my feets be hurtin'”, yes all of these we overheard them talking to each other about.  All of them came in after us and all of them were seen first.

    By 5pm, we were tired, hungry, and she was close to going into shock.  The admissions desk had changed shifts by then.  The new shift of tooth-sucking apathetic bantu pretended they didn’t even know we were there.

    I took her to a medstop and even though there were other patients, the staff took one look at her and she was IMMEDIATELY rushed to a treatment room.

    Oh yeah I forgot to mention.  The medstop staff was all white.

  • razorrare

    This article pretty much says it all…

    Wednesday, April 19. 2006
    Reconquista: the Invasion of America
    The American Southwest “…seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot.” July 20, 1982, Carlos Loret de Mola, The Great Invasion: Mexico Recovers Its Own, Excelsior [newspaper], Mexico CityThere is a plan, called The Plan Of Aztlan, that’s been in effect for about four decades. The goal, being pursued vigorously by radical, racist Chicano (Mexican-American) groups and the Mexican government, is to reconquer (Reconquista) land lost to America in the Mexican-American War that ended in 1848 with the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo.Mexicans and many Mexican-Americans have never accepted the loss of their land, inhabited long before the gringos (white Europeans) arrived. Chicano groups like MEchA (Chicano Student Movement Of Aztlan) want to reconquer seven states in the Southwestern United States called Aztlan, the mythical home of the Aztecs. They include: California, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, plus parts of Colorado, Nevada and Utah.The road to success is based on infiltration (illegal aliens from Mexico) and demographic dominance (like-minded Chicanos being elected to political office by a region overwhelmingly of Mexican origin). What would exist is a de facto alien nation, with loyalty to their Mexican homeland. Efforts would be made to establish a separate government or to rejoin Mexico. Note that Mexico has granted dual citizenship to Mexican immigrants with U.S. citizenship as well as to their children. Kind of speeds the process along. No repatriation needed.Chicano Studies programs in many colleges advance the cause by indoctrinating young Chicano students to hate white America and to participate in driving them from the Southwestern U.S., all paid for by the American taxpayer. These students then go on to win political office (example – Cruz Bustamante, Lt. Governor of California and Antonio Villaraigosa, Mayor of Los Angeles and a leading player in the Reconquista movement. Anything to achieve their goal is utilized. Non-assimilation is preached. Keep your” Mexicaness”. And the new immigrants are doing just that. Bi-lingual education is demanded. Demonstrations, intimidation of officeholders and lawsuits are filed to defeat proposed laws like Proposition 187 (denies public benefits to illegal aliens).Vicente Fox, President of Mexico, is a major participant in Reconquista, the invasion of America. His efforts toward making the dream a reality include dual citizenship for Mexican-Americans. guidelines to illegals heading for America, a new temporary worker program, driver’s licenses for illegals and the legalization of millions of undocumented Mexican workers in America. He also supports a European Union type of arrangement between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, including open borders. That would be a definite gain for Mexico and the soon-to-be predominately Mexican, Southwestern United States. Yes, Spanish would be the primary language and support for Mexico (remember dual citizenship) would make that area a part of Mexico or, at least, an autonomous region, uncooperative with the U.S. national government.Fox, while speaking in Chicago on June 16, 2004, revealed his vision of the territorial boundaries of Mexico when he said: “We are Mexicans that live in our territories and we are Mexicans that live in other territories [America – primarily the Southwestern United States]. In reality, we are 120 million people [100 million in Mexico and the rest in America] that live together and are working to construct a nation.” [1]Fox’s predecessor, Ernesto Zedillo, proclaimed on July 27, 1997 that:”I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders [again the Southwestern United States] and that Mexican migrants are an important- a very important – part of it.” [2]The following quotes are from Mexicans, Mexican – “Americans” and others who clearly show the serious problem that threatens the continued existence of America as we know it.Mario Obledo, co-founder of MALDEF (Mexican American legal Defense and Education Fund), and former Secretary of Health and Welfare for California, offered this: “We’re going to take over all the political institutions in California. In five years the Hispanics are going to be the majority population of this state.” It would be a Hispanic state and anyone who didn’t like it “… ought to go back to Europe,” [3]Professor Charles Trujillo of the University of New Mexico, because of the ongoing large Hispanic immigration in the Southwestern U.S., declared that: secession is an “inevitability”. And, “We may join Mexico… Throughout history, nations and empires rise and fall. No nation’s borders have been permanent.” [4]In a June 12, 2002 Zogby International Poll, ‘… 58 percent of Mexicans in Mexico believed that the American Southwest belongs to them and 57 percent believed that they do not require U.S. permission to enter this country.”This blunt statement in 1995 from Jose Angel Gutierrez, Professor of Political Science, University of Texas, Arlington, founder of La Raza Unida Party: “This [the Southwestern U.S.] is our homeland. We cannot – we will not – we must not be made to be illegal in our own homeland. We are not immigrants that came from another country to another country. We are migrants, free to travel the length and breath of the Americas because we belong here. We are millions. We just have to survive, We have an aging white America. They are not making babies, They are dying. It’s a matter of time. The explosion is in our population.” [5]Another declaration from Professor Gutierrez : “We have got to eliminate the gringo (white American), and what I mean by that is that if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him.” [6]Now for a scholarly look at reconquista but a similarly disturbing conclusion, there is Harvard Professor Samuel P, Huntington, Chairman of the Harvard Academy for International and Area Studies , who wrote The Hispanic Challenge in Public Policy Magazine, April, 2004: “[t]he persistence of Hispanic immigrants threatens to divide the United States into two people, two cultures, and two languages… The United States ignores this challenge at its peril… Mexican immigration differs from past immigration due to a combination of six factors: contiguity, scale, illegality, regional concentration, [in the American Southwest], persistence, and historical presence… Demographically, socially, and culturally, the reconquista (re-conquest) of the Southwest United States by Mexican immigrants is well underway.”The immigration catastrophe could have been prevented but our “leaders” in the White House and congress seem more intent on collecting new voters than protecting America from being dismantled plus the drugs, crime and potential terrorists coming across our southern border. In fact, Bush recently cut back on the 2000 agents scheduled for the Mexican border in 2006. Now its only 210.That may be because he is amenable to a North American Community based on the European Union model, part of which includes open borders. There would also be a loss of sovereignty since a number of functions would be shared by members of the union. And, of course, a common currency.So what we have is a people, united by hatred, supported by their government, with a plan to reconquer a large part of America, facing virtually no opposition from those with the power to stop it.And Mexico, confronting the most powerful nation on earth, could be victorious “… without firing a shot.”

  • I loathe taking my toddler to the ER here in Northern Virginia. I have to go online to find out which of two local hospitals have a shorter wait time. Every time I go to the hospital it the same damn thing; third world immigrants in the waiting room! For pediatrics, I have to wait for a room because its full of these people. None of whom speak English! After the visit I am assured a bill for at least $100 in the mail because my insurance did not cover it the outrageous bill! 

  • Not to mention the only doctors available are straight off the boat from Sri Lanka. I recently got a list of doctors could choose from, I could not pronounce a single name on the list.

  • KittyAmerica

    You are exactly right. I once worked at a domestic violence shelter in Texas (which is an entire scam itself). Most of the women and their children were on Medicaid. Not only did they frequently go to the ER for every little thing, since they didn’t have a car they would call 911 for an ambulance because that’s easier than using the bus. The ambulance people are required to take them for any complaint. There was a girl that called the ambulance to take her baby to the ER for a diaper rash! It was unbelievable what all I discovered at that shelter. In addition to the ER abuse I saw, the shelter treated the illegals better than any of the citizens.

  • JohnEngelman

    If the United States had a single payer health plan like Canada this would not be a problem. 

    • anarchyst

      You are incorrect sir.  “Single payer” will result in the destruction of the finest health care system in the world.  Let’s look at our “neighbor to the north”, Canada. . .
      The dirty little secret about “Canadian socialized medicine” is there is a “safety valve” which utilizes AMERICAN doctors and hospitals to take care of life-threatening conditions that afflict Canadian citizens. American border city hospitals have agreements with Canadian provincial health-care systems to take Canadian patients. Of course, it pays to live near the Canadian-USA border.
      Just recently a Canadian “premier” politician came to the USA for treatment for a heart condition. That sort of tells you what is in store for us.
      What will Canadians do when our health-care system mirrors theirs? Where will they go??
      A number of years ago, Canadian hospitals were “caught” using their CAT scanners for veterinary “patients” (animals).
      Here you had patients on “waiting lists” to use these scanners while animals were being brought to the “front of the line”. You see, the animal’s owners were “cash” customers while the human patients were regarded as just “numbers” in a log.
      Canadian health care is fine for cuts and bruises, but life-threatening illnesses STILL result in lengthy waits (hoping that the patient expires).

      • JohnEngelman

        The Canadians are the best judges of their health system, and the vast majority of them like it. In no country with universal health care is there a popular demand for a return to a privately financed system. 

        • anarchyst

           JohnEngelman . . . If Canadian health care is so wonderful, why the need for Canadian patients to come to U. S. hospitals for (timely) treatment?
          It is interesting to note that private health insurance and private clinics are available in Canada due to Canadian Supreme court rulings.  Previous to the rulings, it was illegal for Canadians to pursue private health insurance.
          So Canadians pay high taxes for their “national health care and have to PAY AGAIN for private health insurance if they want timely treatment.. . .

          • JohnEngelman

            How many Canadians come to the United States? Please document your assertion.

          • Hirene

            You’d be surprised how many Americans go to Costa Rica for surgery.  It costs about 1/3 less.

          • anarchyst

            As I am still employed by a major health system I have been advised that I cannot provide you with figures.
            You will have to take my word . . .

    • lanceman

      Why is it that more Canadians emigrate to the US than US citizens that emigrate to Canada?

      • JohnEngelman

        What are the numbers of people who move in each direction? Please document your assertion. 

        • anarchyst

          As I am still employed by a major health system I have been advised that I cannot provide you with figures.
          You will have to take my word . . .

  • newscomments70

    I advocate voluntary sterilization for anyone who wants to use/abuse our welfare system. You want free money and services? Ok, you get sterilized. If that happened, Hispanics would start paying there bills. Blacks (and some whites) would cease to exist. 

  • Shawn_thefemale

     Many doctors in my area are already altering their practices, getting out altogether, or the most popular reaction, associating themselves with a hospital rather than private practice. The cost, the regulations, the hassle and the reduction in time with patients under ObongoCare is driving them out.

    The natural reaction will be flooding the medical profession with foreign and/or minority sub-standard physicians for everyone but well-to-do patients.

    Wealthy patients are now forming their relationships with a new breed of doctor: excellent physicians who treat only patients who are able to pay in full up front (which usually equates to a discounted rate),  then file their own insurance and wait for the reimbursement from the insurance company. Those doctors stay out of the insurance maze altogether, allowing them much more time with patients, less office staff to handle the billing/insurance mess, and less government intrusion in their practice.

  • That’s very true. I went to the emergency room last year. I am employed and have excellent insurance. It was a 3 hour wait and the rom was filled with brown families, kids running and screaming all over the place. They were watching TV and passing around boxes of pizza. It was like a Chuck E Cheese party in the ER. Our health system and hospitals are being ruined and run into the ground by these freeloaders and the government lets them do it in exchange for votes. And you can bet these illegals vote! Its astounding what the American taxpayer is putting up with. Throw the bastards out of the ER
    then out of the country.

  • Shawn_thefemale

     I have related this story here before; some of you may remember. For the many new posters here, this seems like an appropriate article to repeat it.

    Several years ago dear hubby was scheduled for double carpal-tunnel surgery. We reported to the hospital early that morning and had to take that little red blinky light gizmo that signaled our turn to register. It was a very large (full) waiting room, and hubby and I were the only ones not speaking Spanish. Fat Mexican women with 3 and 4 dirty little kids each literally blanketed the room. After waiting about 30 minutes and still not registering, hubby and I were called into a room. We were the only people called to that room the entire time we’d been waiting. It was the ‘Patient Finance’ Office.

    The employee said matter of factly, “We’ve run your insurance and you have a deductible of $873 left. Would you like to pay that by check or credit card?” I said, “Excuse me???” She repeated herself, and I said, “Am I understanding you right? You want me to pay TODAY – RIGHT NOW –even before his surgery? Seriously???”   “Yes ma’am, we will take a check or credit card.”

    I opened the door to the waiting room, so the Mexicans could get in on the rant I was about to let loose with, and started in on her very loudly. I told her, “We’ve been here over 30 minutes and out of a waiting room full of Mexicans, most of whom you and I both know are likely illegal, NO one has been called in here but us. Why aren’t THEY (pointing to the waiting room)  paying up front? Hell, they’re not paying AT ALL!!  They are going to get exactly the same care, but they don’t have to pay for it PERIOD. NADA. You and I are already paying for every damn thing they get here! But Americans are expected to pay up front for care?  Even though we are insured and you are automatically guaranteed payment of 80% of our bill when we walk in the door, you want us to pay you UP FRONT?  I don’t think so.”

     My ‘discussion’ went on for about 10 minutes. I was beyond livid,  and had the attention of every person in the waiting room. I demanded she get the hospital administrator down there and pronto. She hemmed and hawed a while, oh, she couldn’t do, that, etc., and I said, “Fine, cancel the surgery. This is elective surgery and there’s another hospital in town.”  She told me we couldn’t do that. I told her to watch me. I got up to walk out, and  she got on the phone and located the administrator. He appeared a few minutes later, and I told him exactly the same thing I had said to the employee . He then told the employee that they could waive the up front deductible in this case.  I said, “You’re darned right you will.”

    Get mad, people. Quit being quiet.

     

    • Hirene

      Don’t expect these welfare freeloaders to  equate huge malpractice jury awards with inaffordable healthcare.  They will just go along with whatever the Democrats say.

  • http://nj1015.com/census-wants-to-change-how-it-measures-race/

    Another manipulation. Why don’t they introduce Mestizos, along Whites, Blacks etc. ? Seems that intention is creation of a homogeneous Hispanic block.

  • anarchyst

    Let’s look at our “neighbor to the north”, Canada. . .
    The dirty little secret about “Canadian socialized medicine” is there is a “safety valve” which utilizes AMERICAN doctors and hospitals to take care of life-threatening conditions that afflict Canadian citizens. American border city hospitals have agreements with Canadian provincial health-care systems to take Canadian patients. Of course, it pays to live near the Canadian-USA border.
    Just recently a Canadian “premier” politician came to the USA for treatment for a heart condition. That sort of tells you what is in store for us.
    What will Canadians do when our health-care system mirrors theirs? Where will they go??
    A number of years ago, Canadian hospitals were “caught” using their CAT scanners for veterinary “patients” (animals).
    Here you had patients on “waiting lists” to use these scanners while animals were being brought to the “front of the line”. You see, the animal’s owners were “cash” customers while the human patients were regarded as just “numbers” in a log.
    Canadian health care is fine for cuts and bruises, but life-threatening illnesses STILL result in lengthy waits (hoping that the patient expires).

  • anarchyst

    michelle (my belle) o’bama was hired by the University of Chicago hospital system and was responsible for “dumping” indigent patients on other area hospitals. . .

    • Hirene

      She was paid $300,000 a year for a function that could have been performed by the Human Resources Dept.

  • Hirene

    I am glad this is becoming a huge problem in San Francisco for obvious reasons.

  • Hirene

    Those CT scans are enormously expensive.  They game the system.  The only way to stop these leeches is to start garnishing their foodstamps for monetary judgments.