Spanish Cave Paintings Shown as Oldest in World

Seth Borenstein, Yahoo! News, June 14, 2012

New tests show that crude Spanish cave paintings of a red sphere and handprints are the oldest in the world, so ancient they may not have been by modern man.

Some scientists say they might have even been made by the much-maligned Neanderthals, but others disagree.

Testing the coating of paintings in 11 Spanish caves, researchers found that one is at least 40,800 years old, which is at least 15,000 years older than previously thought. That makes them older than the more famous French cave paintings by thousands of years.

Scientists dated the Spanish cave paintings by measuring the decay of uranium atoms, instead of traditional carbon-dating, according to a report released Thursday by the journal Science. The paintings were first discovered in the 1870s.

The oldest of the paintings is a red sphere from a cave called El Castillo. About 25 outlined handprints in another cave are at least 37,300 years old. Slightly younger paintings include horses.


There is older sculpture and other portable art. Before the latest test, the oldest known cave paintings were those France’s Chauvet cave, considered between 32,000 and 37,000 years old.

What makes the dating of the Spanish cave paintings important is that it’s around the time when modern humans first came into Europe from Africa.

Study authors say they could have been from modern man decorating their new digs or they could have been the working of the long-time former tenant of Europe: the Neanderthal. Scientists said Neanderthals were in Europe from about 250,000 years ago until about 35,000 years ago. Modern humans arrived in Europe about 41,000 to 45,000 years ago—with some claims they moved in even earlier—and replaced Neanderthals.



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  • Church_of_Jed

    Everyone knows that those are African hands.  The black Diversity consented to leave Africa on a humanitarian mission to  teach the racist White privileged Europeans the arts of  high culture.

    • alastairabbacle

      Dear Reverend Jed,

      Your rival Diversity/Moloch-worshipping church has come out with a promotional movie.  

      “The Untouchables”
      “The true story of a wealthy, physically disabled risk taker, the picture of established French nobility, who lost his wife in an accident and whose world is turned upside down when he hires a young, good-humored, black Muslim ex-con as his caretaker. Their bond proves the power and omniscience that love and friendship can hold over all social and economic differences.”

      When will we come out with such good promotional materials?
      This almost makes me want to lose in my trust of my kin, and instead trust the future of my senile White race to the Negroid. Will the Negroid really make a good caretaker?
      Is this a wise idea Reverend?

  • alastairabbacle

    “What makes the dating of the Spanish cave paintings important is that it’s around the time when modern humans first came into Europe from Africa.”
    Yes, this is disturbing how this is parroted.  Homo sapiens came out of Africa, THEN they evolved to modern humans.  

    • IstvanIN

      I always figured either that or just the smart homospaiens left Africa and left the 70 IQ’ers behind.  Either way they are not us.

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  • Detroit_WASP

    I can read hieroglyphics.  That clearly says, “For a good time, call Wanda.” 

  • Of course, proto-Europeans were also in the early stages of engineering instruments for their future orchestras; unlike Africans who never advanced beyond the most basic of musical instruments, the drum:

    World’s oldest musical instruments found in German cave

    The flutes made from bird bone and mammoth ivory were found in a cave in southern Germany.

    Scientists used a technique called carbon dating to show that the flutes were between 42,000 and 43,000 years old.

  • Why is it that Homo Sapiens Sapiens, whites, have to accept the ‘out of africa’ model at all?  From what I have read and seen, there were literally dozens of different types of the genus ‘Homo’ out there running around and cross-breeding with each other.

    I am in no way an Archaeologist or a Paleontologist, but 40K years seems like an awful short time to go from black, squat, stupid and brutish to tall, blonde, fair and smart.

    • Kurt Plummer


      Why is it that Homo Sapiens Sapiens, whites, have to accept the ‘out of africa’ model at all? From what I have read and seen, there were literally dozens of different types of the genus ‘Homo’ out there running around and cross-breeding with each other.

      I would be careful with making assertions that support introgressive genetic exchanges between species.  Outside of some whale/porpoise groups, it is not something which is common in the natural environment and it may play against us, even if true.

      That said, the insistance upon genetic commonalities in ancestral DNA populations (as haplo and macrohaplogroups) goes back to the assumptions of genetic stability in mitochondrial inheritance at very low mutative deviation.  Indeed, it is this mtDNA, which dates the earliest of OOA migrations at 90KYA and 125KYA.  I’m not sure but that Y-chromosomal data is there for even the 60-70KYA.

      Unfortunately, everything we were told about mtDNA is starting to look like it needs a serious reexamination if not outright debunking-

      Regardless of the cause, evolutionists are most concerned about the
      effect of a faster mutation rate. For example, researchers have calculated that
      “mitochondrial Eve”—the woman whose mtDNA was ancestral to that in all living
      people—lived 100,000 to 200,000 years ago in Africa. Using the new clock,
      she would be a mere 6,000 years old (1998: 279:29, emphasis

      We now know that the two key assumptions behind the data used to establish
      the existence of “mitochondrial Eve” are not just flawed, but wrong. The
      assumption that mitochondrial DNA is passed down only by the mother is
      completely incorrect (it also can be passed on by the father). And, the
      mutation rates used so calibrate the so-called “molecular clock” are now known
      to have been in error. (To use the words of Rodriguez-Trelles and his
      coworkers, the method contains a “fundamental flaw.”)

      However, rather than merely “reconsidering”
      their theory and attempting to revamp it accordingly, evolutionists need to
      admit, honestly and forthrightly, that “mitochondrial Eve,” as it turns out, has
      existed only in their minds, not in the facts of the real world. Science works
      by analyzing the data and forming hypotheses based on those data. Science is
      not supposed to massage the data until they fit a certain preconceived
      hypothesis. All of the conclusions that have been drawn from research on
      mitochondrial Eve via the molecular clock must now be discarded as unreliable.
      A funeral and interment are in order for mitochondrial Eve.

      What it comes down to is that it turns out that males -can- contribute mtDNA, through nuclear adjunct mechanisms not quite determined but with such dominant heritability that, in some congenital conditions of the musculature, 99% of the transmission is in fact male (giving the potential to mask legitimate alternate female last common ancestral markers).

      Add to this a better understanding of natural mutation rates that are as much as **Eighteen Times** those previously used (roughly every 194 years rather than every 3,500) and a simple look at the theory: That one woman, somewhere between 90 and 240,000 years ago had enough children and ALL of those children, through the modern period had daughters to transmit the lineage (when her contemporaries did not) across 4,500-12,000 generations.

      And Mitochondrial Eve starts to look like the woman who never was.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Well, it’s nice to know spray paint was invented 30,000 years ago!!   — and that kids have been leaving handprints on the walls of homes for at least as long, something they still do today showing nothing has changed.

    Those hands look well manicured and it looks like one of them is wearing a watch.

    But, if you look closely at the one in the far right corner, it has at least six or seven fingers…Neanderthals, cro-magnans,  or…?


  • Kurt Plummer

    Location, Location, Location…

    On a natural migratory route between Africa and Europe, any innovation comes to you, whether it reaches other groups or not.

    If you are near a coastline, you have maritime trade access to materials that support the technology innovation as well as generally more stable coastal-marine environments which means better constant access to sea as well as terrestrial protein.

    And if you are in isolated mountains just -inland- from the coast, you have a population safety factor in that you can go down to raid or trade whenever you want but the rest of the people are going to stay in the coastal lowlands and river estuaries where landtraffic is on the flat and simple rafts and perhaps early burnout canoes can act as pre-domestication equivalent to beasts of burden (float the boat up the river, carry the trade goods down the game trail to the nearest trading rendezvous or tribal group).

    Cultures that spent large periods of time on the glacial ice sheets of Europe are not going to have the material resources or the time to dedicate to abstract thinking.  Those which sit astride migration routes are likely going to sample all manner of new ideas.

    If these are Neanderthal works, what becomes interesting is how the knowledge relates to interspecies communication.  Some of our earliest recorded cultural memories include references to ‘wildmen’ and so the inference is that both groups were aware of each other from a period of shared habitat.  Look at the coastal recession in the Ice Age, model the climatological event trees, looking for seasonal warm areas as protected valleys or the like.

    Take a satellite image and, with a primatologist and a survivalist, go to presurveyed locations on the overhead image.

    And start digging.

  • Church_of_Jed

    We may have come out of Africa, but we weren’t Negroids when we did.   And we weren’t invented in Africa. We went there as explorers from the North, and as soon as we made contact with the Sub Sahara locals, we quickly turned and got out of Africa asap.

  • alastairabbacle

     Thanks!  I love book suggestions.  Especially ones that have “Fordidden” in the title.
    I guess we now know we are NOT all the same.
    We cannot all live in the Garden Together in Primitive Communism.

  • alastairabbacle

    Well, the reality for Europe, will be for the elderly to be taken care of by non-fellow ethnic groups.

    Aging White people, cared for by minorities. This movie is priming people for that.