Police Probe Possible Racial Motive in Tulsa Killings

Susan Candiotti, CNN, April 8, 2012

Police are investigating whether the shootings of five African-Americans in Tulsa, Oklahoma, were a hate crime after the weekend arrests of two white suspects in the case, local authorities said Sunday.

Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, are scheduled to be arraigned Monday morning. {snip}

{snip} Both suspects are charged with three counts of murder and two counts of shooting with intent to kill, police said.

“We’re going to explore any possible motives,” Police Chief Chuck Jordan told reporters Sunday afternoon. But he said the investigation was still going on, and Jim Finch, the head of the FBI’s Oklahoma office, said Sunday that it was “premature” to talk about hate crimes.

“We have yet to analyze all the information to understand the motivations of these subjects in this case,” Finch said.

England had written a racial slur on his Facebook page in a post marking the anniversary of his father’s 2010 killing. But the entry also noted his girlfriend’s recent suicide, and a man at England’s home told CNN, “You don’t know what this family’s been through.”

The shootings began about 1 a.m. Friday in predominantly black neighborhoods in north Tulsa. The first victim, 49-year-old Dannaer Fields, died at a hospital. Two others were shot just three minutes later, but survived and were released from the hospital Sunday, Jordan said.

Another person was shot and killed about 2 a.m., while the third victim was found around 8 a.m. next to a funeral home. {snip}

{snip} But he said investigators did not yet know which of the suspects may have fired the fatal shots.

Nor was the relationship between England and Watts clear Sunday. Evans said they were not related, describing them only as “associates.”

{snip}

Police reports listed the same address for England and Watts, a home in a rural area on the northern outskirts of Tulsa. An arriving couple who identified themselves only as England’s relatives said England’s father had been shot to death in April 2010, and England had been left to care for his 6-month-old child after his girlfriend shot and killed herself in front of him a few months ago.

“His mind couldn’t take it anymore, I guess,” the man who called himself England’s uncle told CNN, adding, “I guess it just snapped his mind.”

Earlier, others at the home hurled abuse at a CNN crew that approached the driveway.

One of England’s neighbors, 83-year-old Synita Bowers, said England “is a very nice young man, very well mannered.

“He would help me over here,” Bowers said. “When his dogs turn over my trash cans, he comes and cleans it up—very nice young man.”

But on England’s Facebook page, a friend warned him not to “do anything stupid” after a Friday night message that read “It just mite be the time to call it quits.”

“I hate to say it like that but I’m done if something does happen tonite be ready for another funeral later,” England wrote.

And on Thursday afternoon, he noted that it was the second anniversary of his father’s death “at the hands of a f***ing nigger.”

“It’s hard not to go off between that and sheran I’m gone in the head,” he wrote, referring to his girlfriend. {snip}

{snip}

[Editor’s Note: The New York Times says Mr. England is “a Native American who has also described himself as white.”]

Jake England and Alvin Watts

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  • When I first saw the photos of the two alleged killers, the first thing I thought was, “The younger guy doesn’t look White to me, even if they’re claiming he was.” The New York Times saying he is “a Native American who also describes himself as White” sounds like a weaselly way to try to make him “officially White” in order to support the liberal mantra of “White racists kill more innocent black men.” Why let the facts get in the way of a good story that advances the liberal, anti-White agenda?

    • kminta

      Once again, racial bias prevails over truth.

      It’s bad enough that our liberal media is sugarcoating the facts here, but do you guys have to look at everything from a racial angle as well? Should not justice be the primary concern here?

      When it comes to bias stemming from both our Marxist media and this website, the mathematical equation is very simple to understand.

      Bias + Double Standards = (say it with me, now) HYPOCRISY

      Either way you spin it, you’re all on the same boat.

      • That’s right — racial bias prevails over truth. A black night watchman shoots Trayvon Martin? The story doesn’t go beyond the borders of Florida — maybe not the city limits of Sanford. A black night watchman shoots a White Trayvon Martin? Same result. A “White”/Hispanic night watchman shoots black Trayvon Martin, and it’s a matter of “outrage” (one of the leftist media’s favorite words) all over the world.

         That, my friend, is racial bias, plain and unvarnished, as practiced by the mainstream media, and the black race hustlers.

      • kminta

        “That, my friend, is racial bias, plain and unvarnished, as practiced by the mainstream media, and the black race hustlers.”

        And by so-called “racialists” here on this website, with their reporting of only nonwhite-on-white crime.

        • MissBonnie123

          This is a site specifically for white people so of course we are interested in crime against our own. There is so much of it against us.

          If you want constant reporting on the occasional white on nonwhite crime, read liberal and mainstream websites.

          • Zorro

            Then she must search really hard for for those few crumbs of crime, such as it is.

        • anonymous_amren

          “And by so-called “racialists” here on this website, with their reporting of only nonwhite-on-white crime.”

          Actually Amren usually reports on all interracial crime that looks interesting. Most interracial crime is in the nonwhite on white direction. White on nonwhite crime is rare.

          But because Amren gets most of its news posts from the mainstream media, they actually tend to cover a disproportionately large amount of white on nonwhite crime.

      • MissBonnie123

        Nonwhites ALWAYS look at the racial angle of everything. For you to tell us that we whites should never look at the racial angle shows us that you are the hypocrite who believes in double standards.

        • kminta

          Dear Bonnie,

          You may believe in “an eye for an eye”, but I’m a firm believer in, “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” True, blacks have an obsessive-compulsive need to be on the lookout for signs of “racism.” But what I see from you and on this website is a hypocritical bias that points fingers at nonwhites for everything that’s wrong in America. 

          I understand that it’s human nature to blame others for one’s woes and that’s something that’ll probably never change. But if a mature individual is to evolve to a high state of self-awareness, he/she should be able to look within him/herself and recognize his/her own imperfections. (And yes, I’ve gone on to tell my fellow blacks of this as well.)

          Don’t you see how your and this websites’ double standards (especially in regards to crime and race) makes you and your fellow whites, ultimately, no better than the liberal media with its bias reporting on criminal acts?

          • anonymous_amren

            Nonwhites are responsible for most of the things wrong with America. It’s easy to see that when you compare white countries to nonwhite countries. White countries always have a lot less things wrong with them than nonwhite countries, because nonwhites cause the majority of the world’s problems.

            It’s the nature of all non-white races to blame others for their woes. But it is NOT the nature of white people. White people’s nature is to blame themselves for everyone elses woes. The white people on this site are not normal white people, they are unusual white people who partially overcame their nature through intelligence, knowledge or experience.

            White people who are self aware know that they have average IQs of 100, compassion, self-restraint, and a nonviolent law-abiding nature.

            Black people who are self aware know that they have average IQs of 85, low levels of compassion, poor self-control, and a violent aggressive streak.

            Reality has a double standard, because the races are not even close to being equal.

      • anonymous_amren

        “Once again, racial bias prevails over truth.”

        No, anti-black racial bias IS the truth. Black people are objectively stupider, more violent, lacking in self-control, less compassionate, more selfish, etc.

        “Do you guys have to look at everything from a racial angle as well?”

        Yes we do, unfortunately. The survival of our race and out civilisation depends upon it. The racial angle is the cause of the crime and violence in this case, and in most other cases. Solving that would allow us to live in the much nicer, more successful, low crime society that white people create.

        “Should not justice be the primary concern here?”

        No, of course not. We have to solve the larger problem here or this kind of crime and violence will continue forever and destroy our whole society. There is a pattern here. Providing justice in this one case would only help this one case, if we are banned from noticing the pattern and addressing it.

        “Marxist media”

        Actually the media is run by huge capitalists. Some of the journalists may have Marxist viewpoints, but they serve big business overall. It’s more cultural Marxism than actual Marxism.

        “the mathematical equation is very simple to understand”

        You don’t seem to understand it.

        “Bias + Double Standards = (say it with me, now) HYPOCRISY”

        No it doesn’t. Hypocrisy means saying one thing, while doing the opposite. Openly calling for unequal treatment of people because of their innate racial traits is not hypocrisy. But anti-white racism white claiming to oppose racism is extreme hypocrisy.

        “Either way you spin it, you’re all on the same boat.”

        I don’t think you understand that metaphor. It doesn’t mean what you think it means.

        • kminta

          Regardless of how you slice it, the double standard of reporting ONLY nonwhite-on-white criminal offenses while leaving out other, equally reprehensible crimes committed by those of the same race IS HYPOCRISY, my dear AA.

          My beef with this website isn’t about its in-depth discussions about racial differences. My grievance here is how AR chooses to ignore certain crimes and focus primarily on crimes committed by one particular group(s). The double standard being displayed here is identical to that of the Marxist media.

          And speaking of Marxism, have you noticed that most of these capitalists and journalist with Marxist viewpoints are almost exclusively Jewish? Ah oh! I think I just violated this website’s covenant rule of never talking about the Jews.
           
          If you are truly pro-white, you would ask yourself how us blacks managed to gain the upper hand over you whites and continue to do so for last sixty years. (Here’s a hint: it wasn’t with just the help of white liberals.) But that’s a topic for some other time.

          Back to my main point: if white genocide is what you really care about, then you might want to take into consideration intra-racial crime in addition to inter-racial crime. But alas! Pointing fingers at others is a human trait that can’t be easily erased.

    • crystal evans

      I wonder if the reason he identifies himself as white as opposed to Native American is that he may not have very much Native American at all.Most tribes require at least a 25% blood quantum to become a member of a federally recognized tribe.

      • If he doesn’t “identify himself as Native American,” why did the New York Times say he did? Except when he’s killing blacks, of course, when by way of the mainstream media’s magic whirling machine he becomes “White.” The Times said, baldly, “(England) is a Native American.” And the New York Times wouldn’t lie to us — would it?

        • Spartan24708

          Likely if he were trying to get a scholarship or into a college he would somehow transform into “Native American” before you could say Five Civilized Tribes. 

      • Spartan24708

        It is a bit of a scam. I lived in Oklahoma from the age of 11 until I was nearly 30 and I met people who looked like they should be from Stockholm or Berlin who had Indian cards that entitled them to free medical and other Indian perks. If you were lucky enough to have a great grandparent who was on the Indian “rolls” then you were entitled to all sorts of stuff. There were also people I knew who were nearly full Indian who were not on the “rolls” who didn’t get anything. 

    • Zorro

      Just like George Zimmerman.

  • If what they’re telling us is true, then we seem to know Mr. England’s motive.

    But what was the interest of the white man?  He’s listed as 32, but looks about 45, which adds up to drugs.  Native Americans have legal access to certain drugs for spiritual purposes, such as peyote.  My bet is that England gave Watts some peyote in exchange for helping to murder blacks.

  • IstvanIN

    Good guys = non-white.
    Bad guys = white.

    Hispanic victim = Hispanic
    Hispanic perp = white

    Indian victim = Indian
    Indian perp = white

    Understand now?

    • crystal evans

      What about George Zimmerman? He looks definitely Hispanic, not white like the Treyvon fan club would want him to be.

      • IstvanIN

        Hispanic perp = white

  • JohnEngelman

    Notice that when a white (or even a partially white) kills a black person it is national news. Since the killing of Trayvon Martin scores, perhaps over a hundred, whites have been killed by blacks. We do not know their names. Even in the local news the race of the killers is frequently not reported. 

    • crystal evans

      Those killers are more likely to get the death penalty than if the killer was white and the victim was black.

    • Zorro

      It wasn’t reported because they don’t matter.

  • Its funny I was posting comments that it might be a revenge thing for the elderly white woman raped, killed and husband hospitalized from a few weeks ago in Tusla, on the news reports and it turns out it was revenge. I linked to that and the execution style killing of the white couple in Tulsa

    • Spartan24708

      The shooter sounds like he has some real mental issues. Hopefully he will be treated more leniently by the judicial system but that doesn’t seem likely due to the racial aspect. His problems in no way excuse his behavior though. 

  • Spartan24708

     It was obvious to me when they posted the picture that this was another case of making a person of partial non-white heritage is being counted White to pad the number of  “White on black crimes” 

  • Well, I suppose pretending that a Peruvian was a Neo-Nazi for two months wasn’t enough for the anti-White man media that makes one pine for the honor and integrity of Pravda.

    Now we’re going with Native American, whatever that could possibly be. He doesn’t much look like an Indian and he certainly isn’t White.

    Alvin Watts got roped into this because 1, he lives with Mr. White-Man-By-Convenience, Jake England, and 2, he fits the WHITE MEN ARE ALL NEO-NAZIS AND FASCISTS WHO LIVE TO KILL BLACKS propaganda. Alvin Watts had about as much to do with those shootings as my goldfish.
     

  • radical7

    I wonder how many of you believe that their victims “deserved” to be murdered in cold blood? That seems to be a common narative on this website

    • rebelcelt

      Very damn few. “seems to be a common view” is not an argument. Who on this website advocates killing anybody in cold blood? Names please. Excuse me….Radicals do not need truth or facts just accusation (without proof).
      Go Pontificate about your Moral Superiority to other radicals. It will be easy they do not need proof. The very noun radical assumes passion over thought.
      Hey Radical, do you live in an all black neighborhood, have black bosses at work? How often are you the only white at your social gatherings? I suspect you do not walk the walk, I’ve never met a radical that lived it …just expected others to do so.

      Be advised a lot of the readers have walked that walk  and found their place here.   

      • The_Bobster

        Hey Radical, do you live in an all black neighborhood, have black bosses at work? How often are you the only white at your social gatherings? I suspect you do not walk the walk, I’ve never met a radical that lived it …just expected others to do so.

        __________

        Don’t you know why I call him Jamal? He’s one of our two token Zulus. Him and Kmala.

    • Spartan24708

      I wouldn’t say that. I have been posting and reading Amren for years now and I haven’t heard anything like that. More likely it would be something like whites and blacks staying separate and out of each other’s space.

  • xxxtonygunsxxx

    blacks owe me reparations!!  for destroying america. how many lives could be saved through medical advances if whites didn’t spend tens if not hundreds of billions per year nursing adult black whining babies and controlling their crime. blacks are a lost race!! a lost society!! and a lost culture!! and they do not have the intelligence to help themselves thank GOD!! that they manage to at least control their own population growth by murdering each other every day.

  • kminta

    I have spoken about black criminality on black forums; and their reaction was the same as yours: hyper-defensiveness.

    I can’t help but not on how you write the word ‘white’ in capital letters while using the word ‘black’ in lower case format. A clear indicator of a double standard if I ever read one. And you say that whites like yourself aren’t hypocritical?

    All I ask is for fair-play from both sides of the racial issue. If whites like yourself want to be immature and indulge in your own hypocrisy, there’s not much I can do for you.

    FWIW, you’re right on one thing, though. I am black. And guess what: I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. So get use to the presence of this negro.

    • anonymous_amren

      Have you ever noticed how easy it is to identify black people based only on the content of their character? The content of one’s character is a genetic racial trait, just like skin color.

      “I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. So get use to the presence of this negro.”

      It would be nice if you stuck around and read the site. But I doubt you have the patience or ability to keep it up. Generally black people find studying and reading, or trying to write correctly like you do, just makes their head hurt and they give up quickly.

      Anyway, sorry for my replies being a bit harsh, but we suffer a lot of persecution from the politically correct, and tire of the baseless attacks.

  • Sheila Dinehart

    I didn’t mean to *like* this comment…merely to say that when I applied for a position at a local University I was given a form that allowed me to choose BLACK or OTHER.  I found that to be most interesting, eh? 

  • Sheila Dinehart

    And why would it be unusual for England to vent his rage by targeting blacks since he stated he was “gone in the head” and partly because his father was murdered by a black person (shot in the chest)who was never tried…England stated that a “f—–g n—-r” killed his dad…what’s to figure out here?  But why is it a *hate* crime? I mean, the the killer of his father wasn’t prosecuted for a *hate crime* therefore…

  • Very true as to the lynch mobs. And in American history, it certainly wasn’t always black people who were lynched, either. More than one in four lynching victims were White. But liberal historians try to explain that away by saying, “Yes, but most of them were Jewish.” Excuse me?! The Jews were White, too, the last time I checked!

    • Spartan24708

      In fact the most famous lynching incident in Tulsa was of a white man being lynched. 

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Belton 

    • The_Bobster

      There were very few Jews here when most of the lynchings occurred.

  • kminta

    If I’m Bill O’Reilly, then you’re Oprah Winfrey, sweetheart!

  • kminta

    That’s a very good question, K.T.M. And to answer your question, I’ve been a staunch opponent of “hate crime” legislation from the beginning. Regardless of who and what you are, you do the crime, you do the time. Period!

    Happy?

  • kminta

    No, I don’t. You choose to indulge in your bias hypocrisy, do it until the cows come home. Me, I’m going to be objective and fair-minded, which makes me morally superior to you.

    Getting a little testy, aren’t we, Anon? 

    Excellent, then it seems that I’ve put a dent in that racial armor of yours; which will become a crack, then a gaping whole and, before you know it, your racial armor will dissolve and show you naked bare for all the world to see you hypocritical self.

    You say that you’re on offensive now. But based on the reactions I’ve been receiving from you folks, you pro-whites still seem to be on the defensive to me.

    Oh, and as for calling “negro”. It’s still a free country. Would you mind if I called you “cracker”?

  • Zorro

    Banned as in United Negro College Fund? Call them what they are.

  • Zorro

    What’s in a name? How many blacks have the last name of Washington, Jefferson, or Adams?

    Check his geneology. That’s all you need to prove who he really is.

  •  The tragedy of the Italians lynched in New Orleans were not considered any whiter than Zimmerman in fact less so.  I researched the event indepth  a few years ago. They were not considered white by the white Southern sub-humans who lynched them and nor were they considered white at the time by the “WASP US  government” nor the NY Times who praised the lynching in an editorial and therefore they cannot be in retrospect be called “whote people who were lynched”. Alchemy of race folks!  can’t be applied after the fact!