Republican Debates Avoid Immigration Issues

Joe Guzzardi, The Jersey Journal, November 15, 2011

After a three week hiatus from the debate circuit, eight Republican hopefuls took the stage last week. Held in economically devastated Michigan, the debate gave candidates a chance to come out swinging against the federal policies that led to the state’s unemployment rate which peaked at 14 percent after the 2007 meltdown. Currently, Michigan unemployment is 11.1 percent, the nation’s third highest.

For those of us who were waiting for a meaningful dialogue about immigration, the effect of which directly impacts not only employment but also the quality of education, health care, the environment, crime and national security, last night was long and lonely. During the two hour session, immigration was mentioned only in passing. You’d never guess that, because of Arizona and other states’ enforcement laws, immigration has been headline news for months.

During the earlier debates, except for a few passionate exchanges about the DREAM Act and parroting the universally accepted mantra that the border should be secured, candidates mostly avoided immigration.

But since the adverse impact over-immigration can so easily be woven into America’s other social problems, it’s a mystery why the candidates won’t step up to connect the dots. How hard would it be to make the indisputable observation that accepting over one million legal immigrants annually and giving them work permits creates more American joblessness?

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  • Bud

    Typical Republicans. They’re the party of the wealthy and little else. They only defend their constituents’ interests when they’re absolutely forced to, then they do the least amount possible, and finally they stop pretending and say “well it’s too late to do anything about it anyway.” You can’t have real democracy without democratic debate and a fair media, the Republicans understand that and have opted to mine the system, to go along to get along with the Liberal cultural elite so they can service their rich patrons rather than risk tactical failure in the short run in a system that is fixed. It’s suicide in the long run, particularly the immigration question, but since they are only concerned with money they are stuck in an incentive trap.

  • anonymous

    I wondered what happened to the writer of this article (Joe Guzzardi). He just sort of fell off the side of the earth at Vdare about a year ago with no comments about his departure from Vdare.

  • Question Diversity

    The reason is that most Republicans on that stage are for open borders. While Michele Bachmann did break the 1965 taboo in one of these debates, she’s now only birddogging for Romney, so I can’t take her seriously anymore. Ron Paul is too scared of his own shadow to have real border security.

  • Anonymous

    ‘Growth’ is sacred to the elites of finance. Immigration represents ‘growth’.

    It doesn’t matter to the shareholder elites if thousands of unemployed Arabs or Hispanics join their unemployed brothers in Dearborn. Working or not, they consume food, energy, services, and goods.

    For the past quarter century, immigration policy has been driven by growth of consumption, not production.

  • Anonymous

    The writing is on the wall: Obama is going to get another four years. The GOP still hasn’t learned anything, and may never learn. Frankly, the GOP doesn’t deserve to win the next election. Perhaps in another four years, the public is going to be sick enough of both parties to elect some real change.

  • TomSwift

    I would disagree with the idea that immigrants cost us jobs. If restricting immigration really helped the economy why not restrict it between cities, also? In fact I would argue that the reason we have immigrants is because it provides a temporary boost to the economy.

    The problem with immigrants is that they tend to transform the place you worked so hard to build into “rich (name a country)”.

  • GM (Australia)

    I have formerly been posting as a Comment from Australia but perhaps this should be “a comment from afar” especially as I look at the coverage of your next presidential election. Like, where are the candidates and do they have any policies? Black candidate Cain seems to be getting the most air-time and seems to have all the momentum and the media seems quite forgiving of all his sexual misdemenours. We saw a lot of Perry forgetting his lines, he seemed OK for a while but seems to be getting a lot of criticism on Amren for his soft immigration policies.

    Apart from that if you were to ask anyone here who is going to stand against Obama, most replies would be something like “er, don’t know” or name Sarah Palin even though she has left the race. As for the Tea Party, whats that??

    As I write this comment President Obama is about to land in Canberra for his brief visit to Australia. He will get a red carpet welcome, he will put on his charm offensive and generally be received like a superstar. I hate to say this but he makes all the present Republican presidential hopefuls look quite pathetic by comparison.

    America almost seems to be falling apart with it’s economic & social problems, high unemployment, illegal migrants and home grown terrorism. With the presidential election only a year away don’t you have anyone there with enough guts to both challenge Obama and and put forward some tough policies which will stop the rot which is destroying your once great nation?

  • Jim

    The one issue that could carry them to victory they avoid, afraid to offend the teleprompter messiah. The Republicans grovel before obama just as respectfully as any liberal moron does.

    Defeat snatched from he jaws of victory.

  • whirlwinder

    Illegal immigration into our country could be stopped cold if we enforced our laws and fined business $100,000 for each illegal alien found on their premises. But the democrats and socialists want them in country because they get on the dole and become democrat voters.

    The other immigration problem is with the law that was changed in 1965. Before then we restricted immigration mainly from Europe and these people welcomed the opportunity to come to America, assimilated and helped to make a great country. Now, with immigrants spilling in from all over the world, who knows what we are getting into. I know that Muslims immigrating here are not to share in making America great. They do not assimilate into our culture and would rather have sharia law instead of a Constitutional Republic. We will solve our illegal immigration with a little will power but it will be a little more difficult to turn the Muslims around back toward the Middle East

  • Anonymous

    Republicans avoid this issue because they are attempting to pander to the Hispanic vote. They fail to see that despite their best pandering efforts, the majority of Hispanics will still vote for the Democrats.

  • CID CAMPEADOR

    2— anonymous wrote at 7:36 PM on November 15:

    “I wondered what happened to the writer of this article (Joe Guzzardi). He just sort of fell off the side of the earth at Vdare about a year ago with no comments about his departure from Vdare.”

    I just sent an email to VDARE inquiring as to Mr. Guzzardi’ status.

  • la Santa Hermandad

    7 — GM (Australia) wrote at 10:08 PM on November 15:

    “I have formerly been posting as a Comment from Australia but perhaps this should be “a comment from afar” especially as I look at the coverage of your next presidential election. Like, where are the candidates and do they have any policies? Black candidate Cain seems to be getting the most air-time and seems to have all the momentum and the media seems quite forgiving of all his sexual misdemenours. We saw a lot of Perry forgetting his lines, he seemed OK for a while but seems to be getting a lot of criticism on Amren for his soft immigration policies.”

    GM,

    You’re quite right there. As I see it now like it or not Newt Gingrich, with all his blemishes seems to be the only one whom I perceive as being able to challenge BHO.

    If we don’t solve the social problems it really won’t matter about the economy. The social situation despite what everyone else thinks has certainly had a disastrous impact on the economy in that our government has been dealing with a vast dependent underclass created by LBJ some sixty years ago and this underclass has been growing ever since by natural proliferation while the productive segment, strained to the limit by supporting this underclass, has given up on perpetuating itself.

    More fuel is added to the fire by the importation of all sorts of Third Worlders who bring their own problems with them e.g theft, murder and rape of which we already have plenty from our home grown underclass.

  • Question Diversity

    7 GM wrote:

    As I write this comment President Obama is about to land in Canberra for his brief visit to Australia. He will get a red carpet welcome, he will put on his charm offensive and generally be received like a superstar. I hate to say this but he makes all the present Republican presidential hopefuls look quite pathetic by comparison.

    Don’t worry about that, you’re just falling for media spin.

    As for Republican politics, Mitt Romney is still going to win the nomination because he has the money to go the distance, and the election because of the rotten economy. There will be exceedingly little change, though, on the issues that really matter.

    It’s about as banal as the Gillard “versus” Abbott sideshow you have. Tony Abbott was the one who (thankfully only temporarily) railroaded Pauline Hanson into jail.

  • gary

    Whither Joe Guzzardi? He’s a great patroit and a swell writer. I hope he was’nt purged from Vdare in a Buckleyesque way. I would not expect that from a great site like Vdare.The question stands; where’s Joe been?

  • bryan

    There’s a great article over at Youth For Western Culture about a leaked memo from the libs running the GOP debate that states who is going to get what amount of TV time how many questions etc, illustrating that it’s not at all random or fair in any way. In fact those candidates (who were supposedly participating in a foreign policy debate ) got an amount of face time at an inverse proportion to their foreign policy experience. An obvious attempt to put a ‘spin’ on which candidate is eventually going up against the chosen one.

    Now we have this story and here’s my conspiracy theory: Powers that be know that Americans in favor of harsh treatment for illegals outnumber apologists 2 to 1 and therefore don’t want to give any GOP candidate the opportunity to experience (even accidentally, the way Newt Gingrich got a bump for his comments about actually KILLING the enemy when engaged in a war!) any kind of poll bump that might be associated with declaring a tough stance regarding immigration ala Arizona and the fine people actually now enforcing the law there…

  • ATBOTL

    The “business lobby” needs to be taken on and defeated. That’s the only way the GOP can be made to really do something about immigration.

  • John Engelman

    The Republican Party is the party of the plutocracy.

    The Democrat Party is the party of third world minorities, and of well educated white liberals who are affluent enough to live in low crime neighborhoods, and who consequently do not care about adequate law enforcement.

    Neither party represents the interests of white blue collar workers, or of technical workers whose jobs are being exported nearly as rapidly as those of factory workers.

  • Jupiter7

    Tom Swift

    Immigrants do in fact steal jobs (I drove past a construction site this morning where there was a protest-White American and Black American-over the use of foreign scab labor.) But let me make it hypothetical:suppose immigrants do steal jobs…would it follow that Native Born White Americans should be restricted from migrating between cities? What is even the point of asking this question if race-replacement is the fundamental issue?.. the logic of your question would justify race-replacement for strictly economic reasons. It is truly a bizarre question.

    By the way the Supreme Court ruled on this question in the 19th century: Americans have a constitutional right to free migration between states.

    I know the econometric literature very well.. I could make a very powerful case that post-1965 immigration is actually bad for high levels of economic growth and high wage job growth. But the economic dimension to this issue is so minor and insignificant..and it also has the potential to justify the complete race-replacement of the Native Born White American Majority and the complete ecological destruction of America. The question you raised can only be conjured up in the head of a Ron Paul Libertarian free market worshiper. It is just a bizarre question that anyone with a strong sense of racial community and solidarity would never ask. We do not have time-nor patience- for Libertarian thought experiments.

  • Freyr

    Ron Paul this time because he’s against the Federal Reserve and they hate him. If he acutally got in and did something about it I’d vote for him in 2016 too. But long term, Libertarian open borders is a disaster, a complete no brainer. We need a Third Party and should get busy with that. The Tea Party wasn’t deep enough anyway, and has apparently been completely co-opted now by the Republicans.

  • Who Run Bartertown?

    AmRen comment-posters note often, and correctly, that the “GOP” seemingly hasn’t a clue that the people who raised the U.S. to its apex are now in a civilizational fight for survival. They miss at least one parlor-elephant: the U.S. has not had a GENUINELY conservative & national major party since [take your pick] the Federalists or the ANTI-Federalist Jeffersonian Democrat-Republicans; no less an arch-Whig than Macaulay remarked on this. Other Western polities — even the soft-socialist Scandinavian states — have conservative parties of consequence; we have the party of beeez-niss.

  • Peejay in Frisco

    The Republicans are worse than the Democrats. In their recent debate, all they wanted to do is lower taxes fot the super wealthy and raise them for the middle class.They want unlimited immigration so the wealthy can have unlimited profits.

  • Okiereddust

    Glad to see Joe Guzzardi from Vdare.com turning up somewhere. Joe seems to be missing from Vdare now, but it has been discussing the immigration coverage and/or lack of it at length and it reasons. Recent articles include Has Michael Bloomberg Banned Immigration From Next GOP Debate? and Saturday’s GOP Debate: MSM Mask Slips – Foreign Policy, Immigation Dissenters To Be Silenced. There is a good one on the MSNBC sponsored debate also. It appears to me what is at fault is the GOP’s strategy of giving control of the debate questions to the this coalition of our leading MSM TV networks, although I’m sure the GOP leadership had a pretty good idea of what the likely result would be on immigration.

  • white is right, black is whack

    Materialism and socialism are the things destroying the West. All the white guilt, illegal immigration, laws against self-defense, banning firearms, destroying the family, making men whimpy, feminism, ‘tolerance’ of people who aren’t tolerant of you, pandering to people who hate you, etc.

  • Jupiter7

    I am glad Joe Guzzardi no longer writes for vdare.com. Joe Guzzardi is a suporter of legalized homosexual marrriage. Joe Guzzardi is very aracial in his approach to post-1965 immigration policy. Vdare.com has become much more openly pro-White in its tone. So I wouldn’t be suprised if there has been a parting of ways. Vdare.com has to accelerate its move in the pro-Native Born White direction.

  • Thom Jefferson

    #3 Question Diversity:”Ron Paul is too scared of his own shadow to have real border security.”

    Why don’t you research his policies before you start parroting the MSM line. http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/border-security/

    Maybe you will learn the old adage “open mouth, insert foot”

  • Question Diversity

    25 Thom Jefferson:

    Yes, I have learned that old adage, and yours doesn’t look quite so good in yours.

    You can point me to any words anywhere. But every time he’s asked, Ron Paul says no troops on the border and no border wall/fence, because of either “Posse Comitatus” concerns (hint: No P/C paradox, it’s repelling foreign invasion, not enforcing domestic law), or because he has this fanciful theory that throngs of libertarian Patriots want to flee to Mexico, the land of drug gangs and corruption and virtually no legal firearms ownership.

    The last time RP rode this hobby horse, I asked here at AR: Who wants to flee to Mexico, other than criminals on the lam? Turns out we have an answer: Jesse Ventura, the worst mistake in the entire history of Minnesota politics, and that’s saying a lot from the state that brought us Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale. Because of TSA rape, he’s fleeing to Mexico. I see that ending in one of two ways, either some drug gangster murders him, or he comes back begging hat-in-hand. What a flake.

    As an aside, I’m voting for Ron Paul in the primary, because my first choice, Michele Bachmann, borked her immigration credibility by letting Romney “weaponize” her (as the WaPo put it) against the Rickroller, her own campaign becoming passe when the Rickroller announced his. And RP met with Marine Le Pen, (so did Congressman Joe Walsh, IL-8, for those of you in his district, he’s a keeper), probably the first American politicians even to acknowledge the Le Pen family. But I’m casting my vote with eyes wide open. Ron Paul is NOT a white nationalist.