Family History, Ashkenazi Jewish Lineage Made Swim Coach Proactive

Bob Scott, JC Online, October 10, 2011

More than 90 percent of the estimated 6 million Jewish people living in the United States are of Ashkenazi, or Eastern European, Jewish descent–primarily from Germany, Poland and Russia.

Researchers have shown that Ashkenazi women face a higher risk of breast cancer. Associate professor Sophie Lelièvre, a breast cancer research scientist at Purdue University, said researchers don’t know why Ashkenazi women are more prone to breast cancer than other ethnic or racial groups.

“This is a population that has more of a problem than it used to be,” Lelièvre said. “Not only do they have higher risk of developing breast cancer but also a higher risk of developing a very aggressive form of breast cancer.”

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According to the Breast Cancer Resource Directory of North Carolina, genetic disorders worldwide are common in various ethnic, racial or geographic groups.

In the Ashkenazi Jewish population, one such genetic disorder is an increased susceptibility to breast and ovarian cancer.

Researchers recently discovered that Ashkenazi Jewish women are more likely to have certain alterations in the genes “BRCA1” or “BRCA2” than women in the general population. As many as 1 in 40 Ashkenazi Jewish women (2.65 percent) might carry one of these alterations, which could put them at higher risk for developing breast and ovarian cancer.

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  • Anonymous

    More than 90 percent of the estimated 6 million Jewish people living in the United States are of Ashkenazi, or Eastern European, Jewish descent—primarily from Germany, Poland and Russia.

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    Do they ever call themselves German Jews, Russian Jews, or Polish Jews? Or just Germans, Polish, Russian? I tend to just see the latter.

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    According to the Breast Cancer Resource Directory of North Carolina, genetic disorders worldwide are common in various ethnic, racial or geographic groups.

    Well, which is it? Racial or what? They claim they are White… If so, then wouldn’t the women of the whole White race be genetically the same as the Jewish women?

  • Anonymous

    Another factor is that Ashkenazi Jewish women have an extremely low birth rate, probably the lowest of any ethnic group, and having no children is a risk factor for breast cancer. There will be very few Ashkenazi Jews left in the US in 50 years except for some Orthodox communities.

  • Anonymous

    It could be because they are more likely to live in large cities or where there is more pollution.

  • Question Diversity

    Pure speculation here, but I bet someone is going to try to use this news to claim that Ashk. Jews aren’t white. Response: Tay and Sachs, which heavily affects both Ashk. Jews and Quebecois French Canadians, and some American Cajuns in Louisiana.

  • Anonymous

    4 — Question Diversity wrote at 8:07 PM on October 12:

    Pure speculation here, but I bet someone is going to try to use this news to claim that Ashk. Jews aren’t white. Response: Tay and Sachs, which heavily affects both Ashk. Jews and Quebecois French Canadians, and some American Cajuns in Louisiana.

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    Well, are they or not? They do have their own separate diseases that only they acquire. Blacks the same way. Whites have theirs also.

  • John Engelman

    Ashkenazic Jews often have genetic diseases. These are caused by genes that are recessive for the disease, but dominant for superior intelligence. If the Jew has one of the genes at a genetic location the Jew has a higher IQ. If the Jew has two of the genes at the genetic location the Jew has a higher IQ, but also the genetic disease.

    The reason for this is that for centuries in Europe most Jews were restricted to business and finance. These fields require superior intelligence. Those who could not learn the skills did not survive, or they left the faith. Because the evolution of the Jewish intelligence happened so quickly, Jews picked up some dangerous genes along the way,

  • Anonymous

    #4 The higher frequency of Tay Sachs can easily be explained by both groups being founded by a small group of people who all presently living are related to. In other words, you argument argues strongly against your case, not for it. I believe this is called the “founder effect”.

    As for who is white and not, nothing escapes the gene scanners:

    http://goo.gl/4aafZ

    South Euros have 1-3% black ancestry, Jews 3-5%, Levantines (Arabs/Lebanese/etc) 4-15%. This is not the only non white admixture in Mediterranean euros and its not invisible, there are noticeably mental and physical differences between North Euros and South Euros. Its not without reason Italy has been the clown in both world wars.

  • HH

    Well, what do you know, still another article showing specific ethno-racial groups with specific health issues affecting them. Must be a whole lot more here than “skin-color” or mere religious affiliation, as we are so often told – or should that be sold?

    Race-Deniers are going to have to invent some new ideas and employ some new tactics to keep up the “social-construct” charade. I have no doubt they won’t disappoint!

  • Buridan

    Genetics proved that Ashkenazi Jews are Middle Easterners, very probably coming from Hebrews. On maternal lineage, they have a significant amount of European ancestry, which they received about 15 to 20 centuries ago : very probably, some jewish male immigrants in Europe married European women who converted and whose children were Jews.

    Now, what is a Middle Easterner ? He belongs to a big race, with the Europeans and the people from India (whose genetical differences with the Europeans are extremely thin, dixit for instance Arthur Jensen), one of the four big races now on this Earth, the other big races being the yellow or mongoloïd race (which includes the Amerindians), the black race and the melanesian one. Which name to give to this race ? It seems to me that US citizens, and people here on this site, use indifferently the words White, Caucasian and European, so that they do not have a word to name this big race. Though it exists, and has to be named.

  • Anonymous

    A higher rate of breast cancer isn’t evidence of not being white. My mother had breast cancer. I can assure you we are 100% white. Nor does having a predisposition for a certain disease keep one from being white. Hemochromatosis is the most common hereditary disease in the US primarily affecting people of celtic ancestry. So it’s a good idea for people of British or Irish descent to be “proactive” and get the blood test.

    http://goo.gl/CRKjH

  • Incognito

    For a scientific explanation of Jewish genetics with charts, etc. see here:

    http://goo.gl/08Mwv

    Jews and Jewish groups tend to be more genetically similar to each other than to non-Jewish groups, and Ashkenazi Jews, who went through a “severe bottleneck followed by expansion” are particularly highly related to each other — similar to “what one might observe for fifth cousins.” In other words, Jews are more similar to each other than to the peoples among which they live

  • Alexandra

    Jews are not Caucasians. Jews, Arabs, Orientals, and Amerinds are Shemites, Whites are Japhethites, and Blacks are Hamites.

  • Anonymous

    5 — Anonymous wrote at 12:21 AM on October 13:

    #4 The higher frequency of Tay Sachs can easily be explained by both groups being founded by a small group of people who all presently living are related to. In other words, you argument argues strongly against your case, not for it. I believe this is called the “founder effect”.

    As for who is white and not, nothing escapes the gene scanners:

    http://goo.gl/4aafZ

    South Euros have 1-3% black ancestry, Jews 3-5%, Levantines (Arabs/Lebanese/etc) 4-15%. This is not the only non white admixture in Mediterranean euros and its not invisible, there are noticeably mental and physical differences between North Euros and South Euros. Its not without reason Italy has been the clown in both world wars.

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    Thank you for that link…a very interesting read. I never knew about this and I imagine most of us here have never read this. So the Northern Europeans, especially from Russia, Sweden and Scotland… had no admixture with Africans but the Southwestern Europeans had the highest admixture.

    Excerpt from the data.

    “that within Europe, the Southwestern Europeans have the highest haplotype-sharing with Africans. The proportion decreases to the north and we find no evidence for mixture in Russia, Sweden and Scotland (Table 2, Figure S5). We also detect about 3-5% sub-African ancestry in all the Jewish populations.”

  • Nick K.

    Shemites, Hamites, Japhites? Seriously?

    Anyway, Ashkenazic Jews are white. Get over it. And they are certainly European. In fact, Ashkenazic Jews have contributed disproportionately to all spheres of European culture and society, especially in the 19th and 20th centuries. And yes, those contributions go beyond Marxism and Critical Theory, thanks for asking. One of the puzzles that I’ve encountered since joining the racially conscious far-right is the persistence of anti-Semitism amongst many of its members. As far as I know, Mr. Taylor himself rejects anti-Semitism, yet many of the posters on AmRen clearly don’t. Seems like fruitful ground for a little further analytic inquiry.

  • Deniz

    Jews, Arabs, Orientals, and Amerinds are Shemites

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    Thank you for the information. I’ve never known Jews and Arabs are related to Orientals and Amerinds. I think i have to review my anthropological sources…

  • Anonymous

    14 — Nick K. at 10:37 AM on October 13:

    Why so defensive? Is everything (even facts) so offensive and “anti-semitic” (I get so tired of that phrase) to you when something (such as that study) is pointed out that may burst your bubble? Jews may have been part of that study, so what is the big deal? What is it you find so offensive?

    It is okay to talk about us Whites as a whole, (rednecks, hillbillies, etc.) Christians, Catholics, blacks, mexicans, muslims etc. until we are blue in the face, but heaven forbid, unless we constantly praise the Jews and claim them as our own, then all of a sudden we are “bashing the Jews”? This kind of stuff (censorship) that you endorse, is what creates suspicions and feelings that you have something to hide. Is that what you advocate? Even MORE censorship?

    Take the good with the bad like the rest of us have to do and quit whining and quit scolding us like we are all 5 year olds. We are all old enough to handle it.

  • Buridan

    Anonymous #13

    Russian are zero percent black, Italians 1 or 2 percent, Ashkenazi 2 to 3 percent, so you deduce Caporetto in WWI and Italian “clownry” in WWII… You shall continue, and explain to us that Leonardo was as Russian as Thomas d’Acquin and that Jews are unable to receive Nobel Prizes…

  • Anonymous

    11 — Incognito wrote at 9:19 AM on October 13:

    For a scientific explanation of Jewish genetics with charts, etc. see here:

    http://goo.gl/08Mwv

    Jews and Jewish groups tend to be more genetically similar to each other than to non-Jewish groups, and Ashkenazi Jews, who went through a “severe bottleneck followed by expansion” are particularly highly related to each other — similar to “what one might observe for fifth cousins.” In other words, Jews are more similar to each other than to the peoples among which they live

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    For the rest of the sentence you posted is below….(which may be good for poster #14, Nick K. to read since he is upset and calls us “anti-semites” who dare post anything he doesn’t like. He needs to read that whole article.) http://goo.gl/08Mwv

    The rest of that sentence:

    “a comment which would be ascribed to “anti-Semitism” if it was not based on the work of Jewish scientists”.

  • fred

    Jews are Caucasian. Jews are white. And Jews fall very close to the norm for Europeans. The genetic differences between Jews and others are ethnic, not racial. Don’t confuse political disagreements with genetic differences.

  • Anonymous

    One of the puzzles that I’ve encountered since joining the racially conscious far-right is the persistence of anti-Semitism amongst many of its members. As far as I know, Mr. Taylor himself rejects anti-Semitism, yet many of the posters on AmRen clearly don’t. Seems like fruitful ground for a little further analytic inquiry.

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    We can’t please everyone, now can we?

    Just what is YOUR definition of anti-semitism? EVERYONE is ANTI something! Even you. I am against nonwhite immigration so does that mean I am not allowed to say so because they may be offended? It sure is getting to that point, isn’t it?

    Anything or fact that may put Jews in a bad light, is that your definition of being anti-semitic? If that is the case, then we had all better forget any sort of free speech and forget the “Freedom Of Information Act”..so I guess we all need to just shut up and stifle ourselves just to please your sense of paranoia?

    Amren and Jared would go out of business if they could not publish NEWS articles or write books that we ALL find of interest and should we not be free to post our own comments on said subject. Stifling free speech will come back and bite one in the … so beware what you wish for.

  • Allan

    My mother was of German Jewish background. She had several cousins who died of breast cancer, all, of whom, had never had any children. I see no evidence that breast cancer is any more common among Jewish women who have had children than of any other group.

  • AmericaFirst

    To Anonymous at 10:0 AM on October 13:

    “South Euros have 1-3% black ancestry, Jews 3-5%, Levantines (Arabs/Lebanese/etc) 4-15%. This is not the only non white admixture in Mediterranean euros and its not invisible, there are noticeably mental and physical differences between North Euros and South Euros. Its not without reason Italy has been the clown in both world wars.” I don’t know where you get those percentages, and don’t care – you could have made them up. But I would guess, from your last comment, that the “smart” Germans, who started both wars, and whose soldiers marched in mindless lockstep with narcissistic leaders are your idea of the paragon of the white race: a nation whose fratricidal arrogance caused the death of anywhere from 60-80 million white people in the last century, destroyed much of the culture of Europe and created the mess we are now in now. I’ll take the Italians and the Jews (who I consider white) to be better examples of what the race has to offer. They haven’t yet led us over a cliff.

  • Spartan24

    There is a difference between race and ethnicity. For example a person may be White by race but Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, French or Germanic by ethnicity. Most Jews are a mixture of many different ethnicities but I would venture a guess that most Jews were of the White race but several ethnicities. I would presume that the breast cancer risk would come with several causes, not the least of which would be location (did they study women from all over the US, Europe and Israel or just the East Coast?) as well as the founder effect where a population shares a small set of ancestors. My Jewish grandmother lived to be 89 and never even had a lump but several women on my grandfather’s side had mastectomies.

  • Eva

    More than 4000 genetic diseases have been identified, many specific to racial and ethnic groups. Northern European whites, for example, are at higher risk for cystic fibrosis. Among whites, those of Mediterranian origin are at greater risk for some diseases than are Whites from northern Europe.

    Jews have for decades undergone genetic testing in order to eradicate such diseases as Tay Sachs, Gaucher, and Niemann-Picks.

    For Americans to eliminate genetic diseases would be much more difficult than for Jews, because so many Americans are themselves mixtures of various ethnic, and racial groups.

  • Bardon

    It’s due to inbreeding. Now, in the US, Jewish-Gentile marriages account for ca. 50% of all marriages involving a Jew or Jewess. That means Jewish women – or their female progeny, whatever their ethnic-cultural identification – will step out of the danger zone.

    As for superior Jewish achievement i numerous fields, it’s certainly far beyond their numbers, but one has to add. Germans, English and French, who came to the history ca. 2000 yrs after the Jews, and whose numbers had been roughly 2-3 times bigger than Jews’- all have contributed o the human civilization much more than Jews. Take English and Scots, for instance. No Ockham, Hobbes, Newton, Kelvin, Harvey, Darwin, Jenner, Lister, Boole, Shakespeare, Maxwell, Adam Smith, W.R. Hamilton, Hume, Milton, Gilbert, Cavendish, Dirac,Crick, Locke, Rutherford, Young, Turner, Purcell, … among the Jews- Spinoza and Einstein excluded. To quote Queen Victoria: “We are not impressed.”

  • sshadow

    Observations:

    I’ve read that haplotype analysis has shown that modern Jew’s closest relatives are Kurds, Turks, and Armenians.

    The classical facies of Einstein and Golda Meir certainly are distinct from the various political faces on television of North European top brass. They are derived from different bloodlines as shown by migratory arrows on a prehistoric map. Jews are obviously white but not not of the same migratory arrow as the classical caucasions e.g. Celts, Russians, Poles and Germans. Jews and Celts diverged much earlier than Russians and Poles did.

    Post #14, you are misinterpreting any disagreement with any subgroup of Jews as antisemitism. This is unreasonable and patently incorrect. There is a significant contingent group of Jews who are very cohesive cultural Marxists as well as non-Jew cultural Marxists. If any subgroup contributes heavily and has an outsized effect, that will will be recognized by other interested groups. Discussion of this will occur from time to time. This does not constitute antisemitism. Aintisemitism is a generic hatred of Jews with a wish to eliminate them. To call some limited group rivalry, antisemitism,is gross overinterpretation.

  • Anonymous

    14 — Nick K. wrote at 10:37 AM on October 13:

    Shemites, Hamites, Japhites? Seriously?

    Anyway, Ashkenazic Jews are white. Get over it. And they are certainly European.

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    May I direct you to the above post above your own and the link. Depends on your definition of what White is.

    http://goo.gl/4aafZ

    Excerpt from the data.

    “that within Europe, the Southwestern Europeans have the highest haplotype-sharing with Africans. The proportion decreases to the north and we find no evidence for mixture in Russia, Sweden and Scotland (Table 2, Figure S5). We also detect about 3-5% sub-African ancestry in all the Jewish populations.”

  • Eva

    One reader wondered about the definition of “white.” The white race includes all people whose native languages are indo-European or semitic. All Europeans, Iranians, Afghanis, Pakistanis, and Indians speak an indo-European language and are related. Hebrew and Arabic are semitic languages. The Turks are also whites.

    If you are in doubt about the race of Jews you might be interested in knowing that many can trace their ancestry back to the European Middle Ages. How many Americans are able to trace their ancestry back even four generations?

  • Spartan24

    I agree- any criticism of Jews (or Israel for that matter) is considered anti-Semitism by members of the left. To me, this is tantamount to accusations of “racism” if one points out the crime, illegitimacy, drug use and welfare rates in the black community. Most of the “Jews” that are big in the leftist movements are probably Jews in name only- many of them are likely athiests anyway and havent been inside a synagogue since they were kids if at all.

  • Cui Bono?

    @19 fred:

    Jews are Caucasian. Jews are white. And Jews fall very close to the norm for Europeans. The genetic differences between Jews and others are ethnic, not racial. Don’t confuse political disagreements with genetic differences.

    You are wrong and need to educate yourself, the DNA evidence says otherwise.

    Check the link in the post above yours, which provides the DNA evidence to support the following quote (in toto):

    Jews and Jewish groups tend to be more genetically similar to each other than to non-Jewish groups, and Ashkenazi Jews, who went through a “severe bottleneck followed by expansion” are particularly highly related to each other — similar to “what one might observe for fifth cousins.”

    In other words, Jews are more similar to each other than to the peoples among which they live, a comment which would be ascribed to ‘anti-Semitism’ if it was not based on the work of Jewish scientists.

    http://goo.gl/08Mwv

    Read it carefully before making any more false statements.

  • Anonymous

    22 — AmericaFirst wrote at 2:46 PM on October 13:

    To Anonymous at 10:0 AM on October 13:

    “South Euros have 1-3% black ancestry, Jews 3-5%, Levantines (Arabs/Lebanese/etc) 4-15%. This is not the only non white admixture in Mediterranean euros and its not invisible, there are noticeably mental and physical differences between North Euros and South Euros. Its not without reason Italy has been the clown in both world wars.” I don’t know where you get those percentages, and don’t care – you could have made them up. But I would guess, from your last comment, that the “smart” Germans, who started both wars, and whose soldiers marched in mindless lockstep with narcissistic leaders are your idea of the paragon of the white race: a nation whose fratricidal arrogance caused the death of anywhere from 60-80 million white people in the last century, destroyed much of the culture of Europe and created the mess we are now in now. I’ll take the Italians and the Jews (who I consider white) to be better examples of what the race has to offer. They haven’t yet led us over a cliff.

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    What are you even talking about? You made a complete fool of yourself by ignoring the data and the link that was provided.

    You don’t KNOW where those percentages came from and don’t care, saying he made them up? Can you not read? Did you go to the link? Obviously not. You just go off on a mindless rant because you don’t like what was shown? AS for leading us over a cliff, maybe you had better do some more research. You think White America isn’t going over a cliff? As for the Germans YOU claim who STARTED both wars, maybe you better do a little more digging.

    That 60 to 80 million WHITES that died go ask the bolsheviks about that one.

    You just seem to fly off the handle and post any nonsense you think will pass by those who don’t know better.

  • Anonymous

    19 — fred wrote at 1:16 PM on October 13:

    Jews are Caucasian. Jews are white. And Jews fall very close to the norm for Europeans. The genetic differences between Jews and others are ethnic, not racial. Don’t confuse political disagreements with genetic differences.

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    Confusing political differences with genetic differences? How so?

    That study showed no such thing, but I have noticed that many here do NOT want to acknowledge the study whatsoever. They just go on the defensive AGAIN. Doesn’t make for a legitimate argument only gives into self interest emotional outbursts.

    If truths cannot be taken, then lies takes it place. I have had enough of emotional outbursts taking place over facts. It all sounds so P.C.