Stanford Law Professor Argues Black Women Should Cross Race Barrier for Marriage Partners

Lisa M. Krieger, Mercury News, September 10, 2011

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A provocative new book by Stanford law professor Ralph Richard Banks examines why black women are so unlikely to marry–and proposes a solution that is arousing controversy in the African-American community: Cross the color line.

“Don’t marry down. Marry out,” says Banks in his campus office, busy with phone calls, emails and preparation for the new semester. The shared experience that once bound blacks together–segregation–is gone, he asserts. “So it all coalesces around this . . . : whether black women will continue to be held hostage to the failings of black men.”

Particularly in California, where only 6.2 percent of the population is black, “conditions are very conducive to interracial relationships,” he says. “African-Americans are a very small group here. And everyone’s moved away from home, so they’re more likely to form nontraditional bonds.”

Some welcome his book, “Is Marriage for White People?” because it has started an uncomfortable conversation they say is long overdue.

But others contend that he denigrates men and dispirits women, calling him a profiteer, a “racial pimp” and other names he says “that I can’t repeat.”

He speaks from a position that seems rarer every day: a black male who is highly educated (bachelor’s and master’s degrees from Stanford, ’87, and one from Harvard Law, cum laude, ’94), professional (14 years at Stanford Law School), married to a black woman (Stanford social psychology professor Jennifer Eberhardt, whom he calls “the most brilliant and beautiful woman I have ever met”).

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But most black women face a big problem, he asserts. High rates of incarceration and job-market discrimination against black men have created a gender imbalance. Then women confront the venerable economic model of supply and demand–scarcity creates excess demand for black grooms, tilting the terms of courtship to men’s favor. Many simply sidestep commitment.

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He speaks from personal experience; two of Banks’ three sisters–“intelligent, beautiful and educated”–are unmarried. In fact, black women are the most unmarried group of people in our nation. They’re only half as likely as white women to be married, and more than three times as likely as white women never to marry, according to his analyses.

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It wasn’t always so. Through the middle of the 20th century, about nine out of 10 black women married. Now black women are about half as likely to be married as their 1950s counterparts. White adults are also more likely to be single today than in the past. But marriage has diminished more among African-Americans than among any other Americans.

And when they do marry, black women are more likely to marry men with substantially less education or less income, Banks says.

His message to black women: Stop settling for less than you deserve. Forget race loyalty. Quit thinking that white, Asian and Latino men don’t find you attractive; it’s not true. {snip}

He writes with a tone of encouragement, not blame or finger-pointing. Think Oprah, not Dr. Laura.

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Oakland-based L. Jeanine Phillips, 28, who has a bachelor’s degree in biology, a passion for reading and a rewarding career as an operations manager for an upscale firm, says Banks’ analysis rings true.

“I have dated and even married a black man in the past,” says Phillips, vice president of the Bay Area chapter of the Sistas Book Club. “After endless bad relationships–all seeming to stem from black men’s egos and inability to keep their penis in their pants, also coming from broken homes–I have decided to go on hiatus from black men and only date out of my race.

“And thus far it has been a success. I am currently dating a great white man” with a degree from UC-Davis, she says, “who seems to appreciate me, respect me, and we match equally educationally and culturally. We have the same religious beliefs. And it’s a major bonus that we share the same family values.”

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Banks’ solution was also challenged by African-American scholars in a “virtual symposium” held by the nonprofit and nonpartisan Council on Contemporary Families.

There, Professor Micere Keels of the University of Chicago argued that black women don’t rule out nonblack partners. Rather, studies show they receive fewer advances from whites, Latinos or Asians.

“The only viable solution for black women’s low likelihood of marriage is to correct society’s failure to educate all our boys,” she concluded.

Similarly, Kansas University professor Shirley Hill said in the same symposium that “dealing with structural issues”–such as high unemployment and incarceration of black men–“gets us closer to the root of the problem.”

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  • Michael C. Scott

    The obvious corollary to this suggestion is that white and oriental men think black women are physically revolting.

  • Anonymous

    Mixed marriage is against Christian principles, forbidden in the Bible.

  • Anonymous

    “They’re only half as likely as white women to be married, and more than three times as likely as white women never to marry, according to his analyses”.

    Wasn’t there an article posted on AmRen a few months ago that revealed, if you read very carefully between the lines, that white women are the group most likely to divorce?

  • Just helping out

    “studies show they (black women) receive fewer advances from whites, Latinos or Asians”.

    Even for men of other races attracted to black women, I see why they don’t make an effort. Marriage to an unknown quality is a scary proposition. I think these studies have it backwards however. After decades of ‘newsreports’ and enlightened ‘education’ most black women don’t consider white men to be equal persons. They are privileged and oppressors, and all possibly racist, the lowest you can go, if they are all not racist it being a matter of degree. Even for those attracted to white men or wanting to pursue white men, for whatever reason, somewhere deep inside there is a belief white men are kind of non-persons.

  • Anonymous

    “Is Marriage for White People?”

    Yes, to the same extent that civilization is for white people. Asians, too.

  • Istvan

    Please don’t polute my gene pool with your peoples inferior genetics. Keep one thing in mind, Mr. Banks, it is black woman who create black men. They give birth to them and raise them into the wastes of time they turn out to be. Maybe if black women were a bit more discerning and stopped getting pregnant by any hoodlum who happens along perhaps the black gene pool would inmprove. Just don’t polute my people, thank you very much!

  • Anonymous

    The whole reason this chaos- black men in prison, black women unable to find spouses- is happening, is the forceful integration of Blacks into a society that they would never have created.

    This problem would not exist for Blacks in a Black African country. And there would be no pressure on Whites to, once again, help out Blacks by sacrificing our own genetics, among other things.

    In a saner age this professor’s idea would be laughed at, but everyone is supposed to be clueless about race, so we will continue with this dog-and-pony show until Whites get the big picture.

  • CDE

    How many black women are actually considered attractive by white men? Maybe something like 1 out of 100. The hot black women you see on TV are not representative. Out in the work-a-day world I hardly ever see an attractive black woman. And the ones I do see know they are the rare hot ones and act like it, complete with holier-than-thou attitude and won’t give you the time of day. They deserve to be alone. I could care less.

  • Dover Man

    As long as black women keep acting like black women, they will only get a small % of white men to marry them.

  • Alexandra

    If there’s any job-market discrimination it’s against whites.

  • Anonymous

    the elite have been subtly pushing race mixing for years..people think i am crazy when i say it but.. in my lifetime, I expect to see penalties for two whites marrying.

  • Peejay in Frisco

    A lot of black women want a child but not a husband. I knew one.She was well off,too.

  • generalquagmyer

    Black women do indeed face obstacles in trying to find a mate: Morbid obesity, bad temper and attitude, low impulse control, preoccupation with superficialities like “bling,” low cognitive function, and high testosterone levels among the problems that make them unattractive. Not all; just most.

    Marry out? Not with me. No thanks.

  • Lisa

    Actually, many professional Black women are dating and insome cases, marrying White and other non-Black men. I see it in the town where I live.

  • whiteraven

    “Stanford Law Professor Argues Black Women Should Cross Race Barrier for Marriage Partners”

    This character is burdened with the delusion that there are few black women marrying someone of another race out of choice.

    I wonder if he can understand that being black, female, unattractive with a loudmouth type personality, might have something to do with the matter of black female inter-racial marriages.

  • Anonymous

    A well educated Black woman is most likely going to have a difficult time finding a similarly educated Black man. Therefore, this is not surprising,

  • deadindenver

    Apparently the Professor either didn’t read or missed that blog “Why Are Black Women Ugly?” by the evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa from the London School of Economics that was briefly posted on Psychology Today. The average educated White man’s preference (even non-educated) is White first, Asian second, Latino (preferably with a high Spanish percentage) and Black last in that order. That’s a lot of choice to have before going Black. Plus I don’t see Asian men or Latino men flocking to make the African choice.

  • Anonymous

    Dating isn’t the same things as a marriage with children. They use an example of a black woman dating a man, but is she married to him yet?

    I don’t think there is a going to be a rush of decent white men getting hitched to black in California. The white men who are lower class and willing to jump the race barrier go for mexican women. Not that I approve of that but it’s far more likely. I knew a hugely fat white male architect who dated a tall black african model, but he married a white woman of welsh and irish decent with red hair. The black woman was his trophy date not his future wife.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t you wonder who is paying for studies that consider which race is marrying which, and making recommendations of who or what group to seek partners in? It’s almost like someone is trying to stage manage America.

  • Anonymous

    I expect that you will “marry out” of the planet. Because no one here is buying.

  • Flamethrower

    Unfortunately, being unmarried does not preclude black women from having children. Nevertheless, I think “marry out” is a concept that does have some merit. Black women should “marry out” by leaving the USA for Africa, and marry there.

  • Anonymous

    Indeed? If anyone would want to marry them.

  • Anonymous

    Why should they, when very few men (including black men) find them attractive and worthy of being a partner?

  • Expat68

    The little problam with this so-called “argument” is that black women are primitive-looking, big-boned, and otherwise unattractive and no one really wants them.

  • Anonymous

    Marriage to a modern Western woman is horrible enough; marriage to black chick would be hell on earth.

  • olewhitelady

    Almost all black women would jump at the chance to marry white men. To begin with, nearly every woman on earth wants to be married, and black women are no different. A white man would be a prize for a black woman, just as white woman are seen as prizes to black men. A white man would more likely be a better provider and a better father.

    It’s nothing but liberal claptrap to insist that black women want only black men, and the liberals spouting such nonsense know it. But some PC excuse must be found for the fact that the vast majority of white men marry non-black women.

    I’ve often wondered if most American blacks were happier before integration. Since it occurred, the black family has been breaking down, and black drug use and gun crimes have soared. Competition with whites is a no-win situation for most blacks. It simply points out their inadequacies and drives them to frustration and self-hatred.

  • Luke

    “His message to black women: Stop settling for less than you deserve. Forget race loyalty. Quit thinking that white, Asian and Latino men don’t find you attractive; it’s not true. {snip}”

    My message to black women: No sane or healthy white man wants ANYTHING to do with women of your race. The mere thought of engaging in any sort of ‘intimate’ act with a black woman is more than enough to make any sane, healthy, and self-respecting white man’s flesh to crawl in horrific revulsion.

    A reminder to my fellow white racial brothers and sisters. White genes are regressive genes. This means that when whites race mix with non-whites, white regressive genes are easily overpowered, overwhelmed, and destroyed by the genes of the non-white they breed with. This is why 99% of the off-spring of black-white miscegenators emerges from the womb with overwhelmingly dominant black features – kinky hair, broad noses, dark skin, etc. This equates to white racial genocide, and anyone who promotes race mixing is promoting GENOCIDE.

    And, black genes are the most effective in destroying White European genes. Don’t believe me? Do some research on how race mixing between White Portuguese people and their black slaves destroyed the nation of Portugal – who was once considered a top notch world power.

  • Chicagoan

    If he’s trying to give something away then most likely it isn’t any good. Thanks but no thanks.

  • cpascal

    The liberals simply won’t accept the fact that most people prefer the company of people like themselves, especially in a close relationship like a marriage. Although some people are happier if they’re married, one can lead a good life as a single person. Being single isn’t so bad that you have to engage in miscegenation to escape it.

  • Kenelm Digby

    Marriage is deeply personal and private.

    A person need not give any justification for his or her choice

    of partner and the profeesor is getting close to being offensive and oppressive.

    Anyway he’s talking a lot of nonsense.Compatibility and character (aside from any initial physical attraction), are the key determinants of a successful marriage.Men marry women of lower socio-economic status all the time, it’s only a minor issue.If gender equality meant anything, women would do the same.

    Besides the occupation of an individual is really, in the scheme of things, a minor matter – a question of luck and judgement.’Race’ by which we mean genetics is of a far, far higher importance – basically it comes down from the dark prehistoric past and carries on to the unknown future.

  • Bill R

    Yeah, I’d choose as MY mate somebody who is attitudinal, bossy, slovenly, often downright dangerous, vindictive when angry, demanding, and butt ugly to boot.

    Good luck with that plan buddy. Even the younger, slimmer ones aren’t pretty and carry all the other traits of aggressiveness, but you can bet as they get older they will become the same huge, ugly buffalos as the rest of their race.

  • Anonymous

    i have actually seen an increasing number of young white men with black women (usually horrible looking) they always seem ultra liberal, and i suspect, like adapting african kids its a new form of narcissism – look how pure and noble i am, i am marrying a black person…

    with both the white couples who adapt black kids and whites who intermarry blacks – particularly young white men – they always seem to have this proud gleam on their face, scanning the room, looking for approval.

  • WbuMongo

    A message for Luke and others that believe the claptrap of White “genes” being resessive ( not regressive ). Consider any mulatto you have ever seen. The product of a union of a black man and a white woman is always lighter in pigmentation. Look at the current president. His father was a black African and Jimmy Obama is much lighter in skin tone than his father. If a black and white had offspring that bred with a majority white partner, and their offspring did the same, “blackness” would be bred out of the population in 6 generations or so. American blacks are generally lighter than African blacks and the DOMINANT white features of lighter skin tone, european shaped noses, hair color other than black, and thinner lips appeared with only limited race mixing in the past. In other words, if Jimmy Obama had married a white woman, his 2 daughters would be lighter than he is, and if they married and had children with white men, their children would look more like their great-grandmother, not their great-grandfather. I also agree with another poster about the attractiveness of black women. I have never considered a black woman attractive, and if you are honest you would admit that so called attractive black women, even to other blacks, have white features. Think Beyonce Knowles.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if Ralph’s wife is black?

  • whiteraven

    27 — Luke wrote at 8:08 AM on September 13:

    “And, black genes are the most effective in destroying White European genes. Don’t believe me? Do some research on how race mixing between White Portuguese people and their black slaves destroyed the nation of Portugal – who was once considered a top notch world power.”

    An excellent example, but I might add that it isn’t just Portugal that was affected due to the same watering down process. The Indo-European whites in Egypt were eventually outbred by their many blacks slaves and Arabs by about 800 B.C.

    Greece was affected to some extent also by an influx of non-whites, but still retained a significant white population. Spain, Italy, both to a small degree were affected, while the entire area of North Africa was also. Iran, Afghanistan, also.

    The same process is taking place in the US. If there is no civil war to separate the races into their own enclaves, eventually the utopian dream of a “tan man” will be realized here.

    And, 1000 years from now will the blacks point to Obama and Colin Powell, et al, and declare blacks created and built the USA, just as they do now claiming that the Nubians who flooded into a multicultural Egypt and took over really were the ones who built the pyramids and built the ancient nation of Egypt?

  • Anonymous

    Some whites date blacks for sexual reasons but that has long been categorized by pornographers as a “fetish.” Yes, it’s not just the fashion industry which excludes blacks. Infamous pornstars are almost all white, reflecting public desire. Obviously black sex does not sell because blacks are unattractive. Are we supposed to believe that there is something black women can do to make themselves more sexually attractive? And it’s not merely a weight problem as slender foreign black women fail to appear in porn as well.

  • Aaron

    The ancestors of today’s blacks and whites evolved in different areas of the world over thousands of years. Though it is politically incorrect to admit, they involved differences in things like mating instincts and parenting instincts.

    So no, marriage isn’t necessarily for all races.

  • john

    I HAVE to respond to Anonymous at 10:44 AM 9/13: he states that “Infamous pornstars are almost all white”,and later,”slender foreign black women fail to appear in porn as well.”!! And you know this because…? Does anyone else find this guy hilarious??

  • Anonymous

    There is in all this a topic languishing somewhere between

    social psychology and psychometrics and that would be relevant within racially homogenous societies. That topic is how individual “g” is enhanced or diminished by the “g” levels of

    members of one’s immediate social group, etc. While there is

    about a 50% correlation in “g” between marriage partners, this

    leaves room for variance. If , say, a female with a “g”

    level within a zone surrounding an IQ of, say, 85, marries ( a male) with an IQ of, say, 100–in a reasonably harmonious relationship, then a lot of her perceptions and choices are going to be enhanced somewhat beyond a mere “85 level”. It is

    not a matter of “nurtue” but of “social prosthesis”.

  • white guy

    8 — CDE wrote at 7:28 PM on September 12:

    How many black women are actually considered attractive by white men? Maybe something like 1 out of 100.

    I think most bw dont care for wm anyway, I know the stats are actually like 1 outta 350 marry them. I know I do, I only find my white queens attractive.

  • The Bobster

    If a black and white had offspring that bred with a majority white partner, and their offspring did the same, “blackness” would be bred out of the population in 6 generations or so.

    __________

    If you did the math, you’d find that if the necessary White genes were sacrificed for your noble cause, there would be no pure Whites left by the sixth generation, actually far sooner than that. Repatriation is a far better solution.

    ________________

    I also agree with another poster about the attractiveness of black women. I have never considered a black woman attractive, and if you are honest you would admit that so called attractive black women, even to other blacks, have white features. Think Beyonce Knowles.

    _______

    Such White-looking black women tend to get their “White features” through plastic surgery and hair and skin bleaches. Think Halle Berry.

  • Peejay in Frisco

    I must disaggree with the many posters that say that black women arent attractive.A few of them are extremely attractive.The biggest drawback to them in general is their tendency to become overweight.

  • Paleface 6

    When two people marry, it’s not just the joining of two people. It’s the joining of two families. Even if the prospective bride is well educated, pleasant, sexy, and rich, you’d still have to deal with any parolees, crackheads, or New Black Panthers on her side if you are a White man.

    Do I want all that coming to my house on Thanksgiving? In the words of a prominent black comedian , “Oh HELL no!”

  • Anonymous

    Michael C. Scott wrote ‘The obvious corollary to this suggestion is that white and oriental men think black women are physically revolting.’

    Then why in the United Kingdom 1/3 of black women are in relationship with white men?

  • Crazyhorse

    African women try t marry white..and as far as I know they make good wives. To score a white husband is the highest acheivment…

  • Anonymous

    38 — john wrote at 11:55 AM on September 13:

    “I HAVE to respond to Anonymous at 10:44 AM 9/13: he states that “Infamous pornstars are almost all white”,and later,”slender foreign black women fail to appear in porn as well.”!! And you know this because…? Does anyone else find this guy hilarious??”

    Snikcer away, but he’s got a point. Unless you are some great exception, and know nothing of what goes on online, you know what he is saying is true. If you even surf the net much at all, you can learn this even by accident. You’d also find that there is a great deal of black on white abuse going on.

  • Justin

    Luke (#17): Many years ago, I lived in the Los Angeles ghetto known as Watts (which was once all-Black but which boasts a higher Latino than Black population today). In this particular ghetto, there is a part which is VERY DENSELY populated by cheap motels and in which street-level prostitution is rampant (along with drug abuse and other vices, naturally!). Guess what? Many White American and European men would come to Watts (particularly on Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights) in search of Black prostitutes and a liquor store owner of my acquaintance told me that most of these White men would WILLINGLY prefer being with Black prostitutes (the neighborhood was at least 80% Black back then)–they told him so themselves!!! Yes, I do realize this is an extreme example but I feel it’s worth bringing up.

  • Fred from France

    It appears unanimous that Black American women have often got an awful temper. But Sahel women (Mali, Senegal) are remarkably quiet. They are so peaceful that they appear sometimes nonchalant. Ivorian women are much louder. Antillean women (Guadeloupe, Martinique) have acceptable mood and they have a strong reputation to seek White husbands.

    The biggest part of the African-American woman’s behaviour is certainly driven by culture rather than race. Generally, blacks are more expressive than other races, but there are wide differences. Certainly, there are even regional differences among Blacks in the USA, as it is probably the case with Whites.

  • NHresident

    I dunno. Maybe something could be said for encouraging young white men to knock up young black women in hopes of improving their race. The black women are going to get knocked up anyway. Might as well increase the white genetic material, especially since whites are not reproducing fast enough to keep up.

  • Strider

    Anonymous (#11) said: . . . in my lifetime, I expect to see penalties for two whites marrying.

    Unless they’re of the same sex, of course.

  • Anonymous

    “The obvious corollary to this suggestion is that white and oriental men think black women are physically revolting”.

    I thought the underlying assumption was that black women should marry out only as a last desperate measure. How soon would a woman so influenced file for divorce when options change?

  • Anonymous

    number 21 – why didnt I think of that? In Brazil and Nigerian there are millions of black men- a little race mixed yes, but black. So, move to Brazil or Africa and get a black dude that way.

    as a matter of fact, why aren’t American blacks moving back to the Homeland …?

  • Ted

    34 — Anonymous wrote at 10:29 AM on September 13:

    I wonder if Ralph’s wife is black?

    Actually there was a front page story on Mr.Banks and his family in the Los Angles Times a few weeks ago. His wife is a darker skinned Black women and they have three boys.

  • The Bobster

    White men would WILLINGLY prefer being with Black prostitutes (the neighborhood was at least 80% Black back then)—they told him so themselves!!! Yes, I do realize this is an extreme example but I feel it’s worth bringing up.

    _______

    A lot of White men go to black prostitutes to degrade themselves and perform sexual acts they would never discuss with their prim and proper White wives. For a similar reason, grossly obese prostitutes find plenty of customers.

  • Gene

    47 — Justin wrote at 6:48 PM on September 13:

    Luke (#17): Many years ago, I lived in the Los Angeles ghetto known as Watts (which was once all-Black but which boasts a higher Latino than Black population today). In this particular ghetto, there is a part which is VERY DENSELY populated by cheap motels and in which street-level prostitution is rampant (along with drug abuse and other vices, naturally!). Guess what? Many White American and European men would come to Watts (particularly on Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights) in search of Black prostitutes and a liquor store owner of my acquaintance told me that most of these White men would WILLINGLY prefer being with Black prostitutes (the neighborhood was at least 80% Black back then)—they told him so themselves!!! Yes, I do realize this is an extreme example but I feel it’s worth bringing up.

    This is hardly surprising. There are a number of books that have deatailed the history of interracial sex, especially betweeen White men and Black women.

  • James

    54 — The Bobster wrote at 3:58 PM on September 15:

    White men would WILLINGLY prefer being with Black prostitutes (the neighborhood was at least 80% Black back then)—they told him so themselves!!! Yes, I do realize this is an extreme example but I feel it’s worth bringing up.

    _______

    A lot of White men go to black prostitutes to degrade themselves and perform sexual acts they would never discuss with their prim and proper White wives. For a similar reason, grossly obese prostitutes find plenty of customers.

    Actually, most prostitutes are not obese. In fact, many of them have pimps who keep them on a certain weight restriction. Even those that work independently are mostly thin. How many men are going to pay for sex with a obese woman?