Letter to Jeffrey Imm, Who Is Trying to Shut Down the AR Conference

Good luck Mr. Taylor. I sincerely doubt Mr. Imm will ever grow the stones to debate you in public.

Silencing the words of those with whom one disagrees- especially when one knows they can’t make a solid argument against it- is the hallmark of a coward.

Not only will Mr. Imm refuse to meet Mr. Taylor, Imm will not discuss the invitation with the media. I’m no expert, but even I can defeat him easily debating the Dogma of Diversity & Multiculturalism.

I remember reading Jared Taylor once offered to allow a protester to come in and ‘monitor’ the conference. He went out, or sent a note out, to the protesters out in the cold saying something like, it’s Ok if one of them comes in to monitor the conference, as long as they don’t make a disturbance. No one came in. I don’t really know what happened, but when I read that, I just imagined, all of them looking at each other for just a moment, or pretending not to look at each other, for just a moment, before deciding to turn down the offer…

“I challenge you to organize a public event at the press club at which you could defend your actions.”

I sincerely doubt that Comrade Imm will take Mr. Taylor up on this challenge.

He strikes me as the typical multicultural automaton, wind it up and watch it go into tirade of “tolerance.” Comrade Imm knows that Mr. Taylor is an outstanding debater, with more class in his toenails than he’ll ever have in his whole being. As Mr. Taylor succinctly and logically tears apart his anti-white platitudes and propaganda, his only counter “arguments” will be name calling and venom.

In short, he will look like an utter fool and he probably knows it!

As always, God help us all!!!

Leftists talk about free speech until they have power. Once that happens, they restrict speech that threatens their power. Especially when it exposes truths that are inconvienient to their ideology.

A man that serious leftwingers should know well has a relevant quote about free speech that I want you to hear.

“If we don’t believe in free [speech]* for those we despise, then we don’t believe in it at all.” Noam Chompsky

*(In the version I found, it says ‘expression’ in place of ‘speech.’ I altered it so that you will better get the point.)

Mr. Imm, you simply do not believe in free speech. Lying about it will not fool anyone paying attention.

This fool (and hypocrite) masquerading behind the garb of “Love”, “Liberty”, and “Human Rights”, peddles hatred toward Taylor and seeks to deny him his basic liberty and human rights. And by so doing, also denying ours. Incredible!

This is a sobering illustration of how deep the Orwellian brainwashing has gone. Up is down, and day equals night. Love equals hate, and denying someone’s liberty and rights amounts to enforcing everyone’s liberty and rights.

Well, that does it! I am a frequent traveler, and I have long-standing accounts with both Starwood Hotels (Westin) and Marriott. I am on the verge of canceling them both and not patronizing them or any of their many subsidiaries again. (They both control an amazing list of hotel chains and affiliates around the world, operating under many names. And this character accuses Taylor of hiding behind the name of New Century Foundation as a front!)

Btw, just WHO is this Mr. Imm? I’d be curious to know. A strange name, that! Phoney as a $3 bill. And he accuses others of hiding behind false fronts.

Demand that he cite even one instance of American Renaissance ever advocating that anyone in America be denied their basic Constitutional rights. Only one instance, no matter how trifling, would suffice. Because as you’ve already noted, he’s trying to deny you of two rights.

Choose Love, Not Hate.
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This seems to be this groups “motto”, but they prove themselves to be hypocrites. Not only because they obviously hate people they disagree politically, but they are also hypocrites when it comes to the “diversity” of ideas and beliefs. Everyone must “believe” the way they demand.

Well c’mon Mr Imm. The entire AmRen family and plenty of your kind, I am sure, are watching. Here is your chance to back your words up like a man. Show us what you are made of.

They claim that, since each hotel is a private party, they are not infringing on our freedom of speech by persuading them to refrain from hosting our conference. Technically, this is correct; a private person/company may choose who may, and who may not use their facilities. This would be sort of like us defending our right to live, work and study amongst our own kind. However, just because they are not, technically, violating our constitutional rights, does not mean that their tactics of intimidation are right or moral.

Their actions are clearly immoral and their (limited) success simply serves to prove who the real persecuted minorities are. It is NOT blacks; they can easily have their own specific organizations and gatherings and nobody protests. It is NOT Hispanics; they can do the same. It is NOT gays, or little people or Jews or flat-Earthers. It is whites who are persecuted.

Furthermore, given the opportunity to silence us even through illegal means (“any means necessary”), those cowards would do so without hesitation. They do not respect our constitutional rights; the only reason they are not actually violating them is because they do not have the power to do so. If they had the guns, they would herd us all into concentration camps and make us disappear, just as their “Uncle Stalin” did not very long ago.

Mr. Taylor’s invitation falls on deaf ears. These are not reasonable people; they have a religion to defend and their ears are blocked from hearing any heresy.

5 — True Resistance wrote:
“Leftists talk about free speech until they have power. Once that happens, they restrict speech that threatens their power. Especially when it exposes truths that are inconvienient to their ideology.”

All true. But let’s note that this particular ideologue seems to be from the religious right, of some “Christian” sort, not the Marxist element. (As if there’s much difference between them anymore!)

“They claim that, since each hotel is a private party, they are not infringing on our freedom of speech by persuading them to refrain from hosting our conference. Technically, this is correct; a private person/company may choose who may, and who may not use their facilities.”

Unless you are the Valley Swim Club in Philadelphia.

“These are not reasonable people; they have a religion to defend and their ears are blocked from hearing any heresy.”

Very well put!
That is the definition of a true fanatic. And, of course, you can’t reason with a fanatic. His ears are closed. You might as well be talking to a stone.

This Imm person doesn’t have the guts to debate this. These anti-racists are all the same - all talk (repeating the “diversity is a strength” mantra like a broken record), but no action (unwilling to have a dialogue which could lead to the possibility that the multiculturalism elitists are wrong).

This is no love of truth or justice that wishes to deny whites the right to peaceful assembly amongst peers. Harassing a potential host is no display of dignified behavior. The question at bottom.. that these marxist type deplore is (does the white race have the right to preserve itself?) Apparently they believe whites do not have the right to see themselves as an organic identity worthy of preservation. 50 years ago,.. this idea would have been laughable…We can see how freedom has diminished for the initiators of the free world and been expanded for just about any other groups. I’ve got no problem with any honorable human group… its just that I instinctually recoil at the idea that there appears to be a global effort to dismantle the white race. To make it disappear via miscegination or taxing them to death. Native Americans, Polynesians, blacks,Jews,Muslims,aboriginees,…can proudly maintain their identity.. why not the descendents of Europe? Ultimately WE will have to take an inventory…and see what the majority of us believe.. and take it from there.

Can Mr. Taylor file a lawsuit against Mr. Imm for getting the hotel to break the contract?

Apart from the left-wing’s total disregard for freedom and liberty (which is a well known fact to anyone who is able o think), the real message here is the private enterprise (ie the Westin Hotel) will always but always cave-in when faced with the dilemma of having to make a moral stand - and in particular a moral stand for a cause that is deemed unpopular.
You see, for private business all that matters is the bottom-line and anything that might in some way compromise that is shunned.
Amren’s only hope is either to find a proprietor who is sympathetic to the cause, use a foreign nation that is not squeamish about ‘race’ or to use the facilities of a non-commercial institution that actually does have morals.

‘Couldn’t find anywhere on the “R.E.A.L.” website to post my comment, so I must put it here. You saw their link to the 1948 UN“Universal Declaration of Human Rights,” born of WWII, when millions of whites fought and died for Western civilization? Had those brave men and women known their own governments would turn around and open the floodgates to the whole world, to dispossess whites of the homelands they gave blood, sweat and tears for, and discriminate against their own grandchildren, how would they feel? PC multiculturalism mocks the sacrifices that led to the UN, which was founded before the Third World invasion of the West. Without recognition of the right of all peoples, everywhere – including whites – to self determination in their own homelands, any list of basic human rights is clearly incomplete.

The most effective way to deal with these weirdo lefties is to throw the racism charge back at them. In other words, WHITE NATIONALISTS must define the terms of the debate. Anyone who supports post-1965 immigration policy with the intent of reducing NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS to an ever dwindling racial minority within the borders of America s a racist. Nothing else needs to be discussed.

Put the Leftists, Liberals and corporatist “conservatives”-Republican party- on the hot seat. Have them explain why they are not racist. Do not do anything to sidetrack from this issue(such as according to Rushton). Time is rapidly running out. The enemy smells blood.

Jared

You need to start throwing the racism charge back at the protesters. Time to take off the gloves.

If you take a look at this guy’s website you will see a perfect example of McCarthyism in action.

Imm is an anti-white racist who is fine with blacks and other groups organizing around their racial interests. But let whites do it and it is “hate.”

Mr. Imm’s actions typify the actions of modern “progressives” who are, in fact, totalitarians. They espouse “human rights” if it gets them what they want. “By any means necessary” is their motto. And they mean it. They are THE ENEMY of LIBERTY. Know your enemy! Progressives were out in the open at the turn of the 20th century but morphed into LIBERALS when their reputation got so bad no one would tolerate them. They are now in the open again when it became unpopular in America to be known as a LIBERAL. So when you hear some say they are a Progressive, be on guard!!

6 — ghw wrote at 8:03 PM on January 29:
“This is a sobering illustration of how deep the Orwellian brainwashing has gone. Up is down, and day equals night. Love equals hate, and denying someone’s liberty and rights amounts to enforcing everyone’s liberty and rights.”

I agree, but with these types it’s all about money. As a white, I’m pretty sure Imm would never opt to participate in black events or reside in their neighborhoods, if the truth were known.

But white nationalists do not have the numbers yet to garner the necessary pressure to have their rights honored. If our numbers were comparable to the tea party crowd, I have no doubt we would be more than welcome anywhere.

We’re in a minority status right now, which will change if and when the following occur: we increase our numbers about one hundred fold; economic collapse occurs much worse than what we experienced in March, 2009, to the point where we are in a depression that threatens to cause an implosion, so much so that PC will be a thing of the past and bare economic survival will be the order of the day.

Unfortunately, right now, those like this Imm feel as if they’re committing financial suicide if they do not bow to pressure from the radical left, especially the extremists in the media.

Google this character Imm and you’ll quickly see that he seems to hate Whites (who know they’re white) and also Muslims of all stripes.

His website has the usual cliches about love not hate. Take a look at it and you’ll laugh out loud about how Orwellian it is.

If they are a bonafide anarchist group perhaps it would be best to simply remind ourselves that all of these groups are completely penetrated by FBI, Homeland, etc. The smartest thing to do is cut down the rhetoric in their presence. A lot of them are wired.
And for the same reason none of these groups are going anywhere politically.
Don’t forget the sad (funny?) end of the great anarchist clown, Abbie Hoffmann. For some reason, he decided to swallow 150 barbiturates. Which had of course been force fed him.
One of the great unknowns in America is just how often this type of stuff happens.
Like I said before, remember the great immigration rallies of a few years back. All organized by intel agencies for the express purpose of id’ing the potentially dangerous leaders and building the cred of the double agents in those organizations.

Imm’s facebook page links to “United Against Nuclear Iran” and a some Holocaust oriented sites. Searching his name turns up a bunch of “anti-Jihad/anti-sharia” material as well a a clip of him on Fox News. So it looks like he is some kind of neocon.

More evidence that being anti-Islam does not equal being pro-white.

I was looking through some of Mr. Imm’s presences on Ye Olde Internet, and the glaring contradiction of his worldview is that he opposes (rightly so) the growing presence of Islam in white countries, and the particular problems that it causes, but despises more people like us who are the only kind of people that want to do something about it.

I suppose the answer to this paradox is that Mr. Imm really doesn’t oppose the growing Islamic population in Europe and the United States per se. His only problem with Muslims is that they are intolerant. Therefore, tolerance is his answer to everything, and in his mind, intolerance anywhere inevitably begets terrorism everywhere. A naive and pollyannish mode of thinking for sure, but I think that’s where he’s coming from.

He’s not SUCCEEDING, is he? I don’t have a problem with people disagreeing or complaining, but if it succeeds in preventing AmRen from holding its conference, then there IS a problem, and it has to be solved - i.e., AmRen’s rights reinstated. Can anyone enlighten us on the status of the situation? And what can we do to help?

“The most effective way to deal with these weirdo lefties is to throw the racism charge back at them… Anyone who supports post-1965 immigration policy with the intent of reducing NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS to an ever dwindling racial minority is a racist.” - Jupiter
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And not only are they mounting a brazenly “racist” attack against whites, it is a GENOCIDAL attack that is on-going and worldwide.

Indeed, they are waging a “racial war” against us, a sneak war that makes Pearl Harbor look like kindergarten play. And most of our side doesn’t even know it! They’re not ALLOWED to know it. The attempt to silence this conference is proof of that. The topic must not be discussed! The knowledge must not be allowed to get out to the masses! We must be silenced at all costs.

The U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder called the American people “essentially a nation of cowards” in failing to openly discuss the issue of race.

Well here you have a brave person, Jared Taylor, who is willingly to step forward and candidly discuss race issues. Will Eric Holder or Jeffrey Imm now step forward and publicly debate or converse with Jared Taylor?

Jeffrey Imm has responded to Jared Taylor at:
http://www.realcourage.org/2010/01/reply-to-jared-taylor/

Do people like Mr. Imm complain and worry about ‘hate’ when Louis Farrakhan had a million man march?

Ironically, Mr. Imm calls his site “Real Courage.” It doesn’t take any courage to be a racial egalitarian in these times, when all the powers that be in every endeavor one can think of in the western world believes in it. Egalitarianism is about as courageous in 2010 was it was to be a Marxist activist in Moscow in 1944.

These people that gush about “equality” and “rights” really couldn’t care less. At least the hostile, anti-white elites don’t. They have plenty of clueless footsoldiers. Basically, what the elites want is a world of dumbed-down slaves with no racial identity that they can exploit at will. By encouraging racial mixing they will try to accomplish this evil goal. The elite’s offspring will not be nearly as mixed or perhaps hardly at all, and they will have high IQ’s but malevolent tendencies toward the vast global underclass which they will exploit at will for whatever infernal purpose they desire.

The irony of it all is that Jeffrey Imm has begged Westin to show HATE toward American Renaissance. Sadly, Jeffrey Imm and his group are into denial about their own hatreds which he projects into others. So hatred is okay if you’re hating proud Whites?

“They claim that, since each hotel is a private party, they are not infringing on our freedom of speech by persuading them to refrain from hosting our conference. Technically, this is correct; a private person/company may choose who may, and who may not use their facilities.”

Not since the passage of the 1965”Civil Rights” law, they can’t.

RE; Poster #30— Yes, and I see that Mr. Imm’s idea of engaging Taylor in a debate is to challenge him to meet in a public open air venue in Washington, DC.

My guess is that the open air ‘hood he has in mind isn’t home to a lot of diversity in thought either.

I’m sure Mr. Taylor will respond to Immn’s response in time. In the meantime, here’s my response to one thing he said:

“As for Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.), we stand by the courage of our convictions. We have public events and we announce the location to the world. We don’t hide in secret conference rooms, or sulk around with pseudonyms or as you say on your website “nom de guerre.” We don’t fight a war of ideas in the shadows, but we struggle for universal human rights in broad daylight with our own names and in the public.”

One does not need courage to state his positions when those positions are the same ones that are forced down our throats by all the powers that be. It would not take courage for a Communist to publicly state his convictions in Stalin’s Russia. Similarly, it does not take courage to state one’s support of racism equalitarianism and multiculturalism in today’s America; it is the party line. However, it DOES take courage to challenge those convictions and this is what Mr. Taylor does. It might be true that many hotels would refuse a race realist/white nationalist conference within their facilities if they knew about it - and this is proof how far the brainwashing has progressed. It is proof that people need to be more open-minded. It is proof that prejudice is the rule in today’s America. Mostly, it is proof that anti-white racism is rampant. It illustrates the need for organizations like Amren.

Also, and again, it is not “hate” to acknowledge innate racial differences in average I.Q. or crime rates. Mr. Imm, is it “hate” to claim that blacks are better basketball players, on average, than Asians?

My response to Imm’s latest reply to Taylor:

“You believe that human diversity as a strength should be mocked”

Taylor believes diversity is not our strength and the assertion that it is, is little more than a slogan used by politicians seeking votes.

Taylor believes diversity is often a source of tension. Now even you, Mr. Imm, have to admit, that Taylor’s position is a legitimate premise worth exploring, even if you disagree with it.

“American Renaissance has a history of articles that belittle the innate intelligence and human dignity of black Americans.”

You might enjoy posturing in your righteous indignation, as many do; but have you ever looked objectively at the evidence supporting the contention that there is a disparity of intelligence among the races? Just as there is evidence of a disparity in athletic ability, and a disparity in physical size, or psychological temperament.

Have you read the Bell Curve, The G Factor, and many other books from Ph.D. authors?

Have you ever looked at SAT scores or nationwide school testing scores given at every grade level?

If not, how can you dismiss the evidence if you did not first examine it?

Most of the articles on AMREN are contemporary news articles culled from city newspapers across the nation.
You may not like what you see on the six o’clock news,
but pretending the crimes do not exist, or pretending to be unaware of FBI statistics, or pretending to be unaware of any tension among the races, does not solve any of those problems.

“The reason that your events were canceled at the Dulles Marriott and the Washington Dulles Westin have nothing to do with me, and everything to do with you and your American Renaissance’s publicly stated positions.”

You don’t really believe that do you? If so, then you are not a sophisticated person. You are not a serious person.

The hotels are afraid of being labeled racist by you and your ilk, and they are afraid of potential boycotts from the myriad black organizations. That is the simple truth. I think you know that, but if not, you are very naive and a debate with you would not be interesting.

“Even now, you are afraid to state where you will move the AmRen 2010 event to. This is because the truth is you really don’t have the courage of your convictions.”

You are just silly. It is becoming clear you are not a serious person. You resort to name calling and extreme characterizations of people like Jared Taylor in order to justify censoring those viewpoints. You keep wallowing in your indignation, rather than dealing with issues in a factual, straightforward manner.

I really wish you were a serious person, because if you were, a debate between you and Jared Taylor would be so much more fruitful.

But as it is, a debate between you and Taylor would be nothing more than Taylor expressing his opinions and citing facts, and you responding with a politically correct slogan, such as, “I choose love, he chooses hate… blah, blah, blah….”

Taylor will cite FBI statistics and you will respond with “there is good and bad in every race.”

Taylor will cite scholarly testing results from leading psychometricians and you will respond with “well I know plenty of dumb white people.”

I’ve seen this type of silly debate many times among politicians and university professors, and it is not interesting.

“As for Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.), we stand by the courage of our convictions. We have public events and we announce the location to the world. We don’t hide in secret conference rooms, or sulk around with pseudonyms or as you say on your website “nom de guerre.” We don’t fight a war of ideas in the shadows, but in struggle for universal human rights in broad daylight with our own names and in the public.”

Again you are just rambling trying to make yourself look good and feel good. The truth is, Jared Taylor uses his real name, and he publicly announces the location and the subject matter of his conference. You then go out and browbeat the hotel into cancelling the conference.

Please, try to sober up. You might disagree with Taylor, but try to be honest in recording the events that transpired concerning this matter.

I see this psychotic person is running this incredible headline:

“Nazi Stormfront Group Promotes Washington DC Area “White Nationalist” Conference” [that’s us!]

R.E.A.L. objects to hate, and we urge our fellow human beings to choose love, not hate.
We support unqualified, universal human rights for all.  We urge white supremacist and “white nationalist” supporters to drop the burden of the hate of supremacism from their hearts, and to rejoin the family of humanity in support of our universal human rights.
Choose Love, Not Hate.

http://www.realcourage.org/2010/01/reply-to-jared-taylor/

But never fear, he will pray for your “heart burdened by hate.”
They will invite you to “rejoin the familly of humanity”.
Am I the only one who senses something very strange and twisted about this person? Sadly, this is how some pathetic people get their sense of worth and importance in this world.

“Choose love not hate” I think that most Amreners would agree with this statement spoken by Mr. Imm. However just like the subject of diversity…Amren is very much an advocate of the virtues of diversity…The difference between the two philosophies is the nature of the (love)and (diversity). As I see it Amren sees things along classical lines..In that love and diversity are both edified when tempered by reason as well trying to maintain some continuity to the past. The left that Mr. Imm represents.. seems to be this hidden hatred for the more successful human groups and thus like a clever form of Cain…goes about preaching love and equality.. massaging the bruised egos of the hoards of perennial losers that will always mark the downturn of an aging society, These,he convinces of their virtue,..of course they are the most loving kind.. that’s why their on the losing end of the stick!.And don’t they love him too! Its not hard to see how blind movements like this could generate real fascism or naziism as an equal opposite reaction to their obsession with hating the content and successful. One good that I’m sure will come out of this*…Is the fact that amongst the mindless hoards there are individuals… that will refuse to just accept Mr. Imm’s perception…and thus thanks to him will read Amren for themselves and see we are not the mindless hateful fools he painted us.

Imm promotes a soft genocide of Whites. However, as with so many others of limited intellect, Imm probably isn’t even aware that what he promotes is genocide.

Mr. Imm said of the hotels, which allegedly are not hosting the conference anymore, that, “They weren’t assessing what I told them … They found your views so hateful that they could not accept your money.”

Mr. Imm would wish he was this persuasive. This is ridiculous, as he goes on to whine about AmRen keeping the new location of the conference secret. It is obvious that the hotels are simply responding to public pressure. Mr. Imm is being either dishonest or stupid when he claims that the rabble-rousing he incited, along with telling his supporters to threaten the hotels with a loss of business, did not lead directly to the hotels changing their minds.

It is more than curious why any discussion of white racial awareness, expression, or survival is the most taboo topic in the Western world today. If this hostility was a reaction to the politics of Hitler (who by the way killed millions of whites) it would have occured just after WWII. Instead, it is occurring in 2010 after the Western nations have bled themselves dry in attempting to bring up “people of color”.

My theory is that white racial awareness, expression, or survival is threat to the far left who see it as one of the few obstacles left to their expansion.

I read Mr. Imm’s response, and it’s almost a verbatim match to his original post. So with this character, it’s a matter of plagiarize from the ADL/SPLC once, cut and paste everywhere.

I don’t think Imm and his ilk want us to actually think, just accept the PC garbage being shoved at us.

Wasn’t it Hitler that said, “How fortunate for leaders that men do not think” or something to that effect?

They’re afraid of us. We think.

#44—I noticed the same thing. In fact his whole organization (him, a computer and a telephone, in my guess) is a copy of the ADL/SPLC.

Imm apparantely figures he can making money this way. Just copy the groups that are making big bucks with their anti-white screeds and maybe you can siphon off some of the money that was going to go their way.

In time, if this creep does start stealing too much thunder from the ADL/SPLC, those money loving phony anti-hate organizations may start attacking Imm and his group.

These groups are all a circle jerk anyway. One will post some smear about some aware White person and then the others cite that as their source.

Mr Taylor, I am an American of Jewish and Gentile ancestry who fully supports your organization and what you are trying to accomplish. It disgusts me that there are those who would try to silence us and deprive us of our freedom of speech, simply because they dislike what we believe.

I wonder if the RICO laws can be used against Imm? As they were used by abortion clinics against pro-life groups?

Sorry for the mistake in the previous post, I think I meant anti-trust laws. I know there are laws to prevent people from trying to muscle in on the businesses of others, and to prevent them from making money.

I know AMREN is not a money-making venture, but I’m sure it could be seen as being that.

Perhaps Mr.Imm can answer just one simple question:

Why aren’t white people allowed to have their own countries any more?

R.E.A.L. objects to hate, and we urge our fellow human beings to choose love, not hate.
We support unqualified, universal human rights for all. We urge white supremacist and “white nationalist” supporters to drop the burden of the hate of supremacism from their hearts, and to rejoin the family of humanity in support of our universal human rights.
Choose Love, Not Hate.

“We support unqualified, universal human rights for all.”

Unless you happen to be White. Does the right to free association and free speech not count as human rights in your view Mr Imm? You are atempting to deny Mr Taylor and his guests these 2 very basic human rights. You can howl and protest and mince words all you want. But that doesnt negate the truth that you are indeed working to deny Taylor and others their basic rights. Rights guaranteed Mr Taylor as a citizen of the United States.

And as far as your “bravado” in your response to Mr Taylor? Make no mistake here. You are backing a position that the vast majority of the media and most others fully support, some from a fear of being branded a racist. You are risking NOTHING by toeing the leftist pc line here. Mr Taylor is standing up for his convictions in the face of adversity and a very hostile media that sees Whites as the purveyors of evil throughout the world. Mr Taylor is the one here who looks brave to me.

Lets see you back your anti White stance when things change. And they WILL change. When Whites wake up and REFUSE to cower from leftist fools who havent the first clue of what equality and fairness really is. THAT Mr Imm will take real courage. We shall see then if you possess real courage, as Mr Taylor obviously does.

imm has his meet

I’ve been debating Jeffrey Imm on my website:

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/01/31/real/
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/01/27/thinkpol-vs-amren/

Join the fun.

Inviting one’s opponent to debate before a mob of your own supporters is not how honest people do business. The National Press Club, where Mr Imm claims to have arranged events before, would be a less openly biased venue, which is why he doesn’t want to meet there. Gutless.

As I’ve always said, and I’ll say it again: If you’re faced with bizarre, inexplicable behavior such as this, which can’t be accounted for rationally, just check out who the spouse is. The answer can often be found there. I suspect that’s the case here. Think about it.

“Most of the articles on AMREN are contemporary news articles culled from city newspapers across the nation.
You may not like what you see on the six o’clock news, but pretending the crimes do not exist, or pretending to be unaware of statistics …does not solve any of our problems.” - anon.@10:20PM
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That’s a VERY good point to make, and to emphasize. Very few of these articles which are posted daily are written by Mr.Talor or by anybody from Amren. We do not write them; we do not invent them. They are ordinary news articles that can be found ANYWHERE in the media. All Amren does is condense them and re-print them in one place — something like Reader’s Digest. If Mr. Imm thinks it’s outrageous to call attention to certain crimes or other social problems, then his quarrel should be with the mainstream media, not Amren. Would he like to shut down the entire media because they’ve printed certain things that he would prefer not to be revealed publicly?

I notice too, that in his writings he does not attempt to dispute or correct any of these articles that are printed; he does not challenge their accuracy; he only wants to have them silenced —- as he wants to have us silenced. He is indignant merely at the fact that they are printed; he does not even try to claim that they are false. Whose “freedom” and “rights” does this misguided person think he is protecting? Certainly not ours! Who is the person who is working to curtail others’ freedom and rights? When he talks about “Universal Rights” does that not include us? When he prattles about the Human Family, does that not include us? What empowers him and grants him the hubris to exercise the judgement of a god as to who is inside or outside the human family?

Basically, it comes down to the simple mindset of all totalitarians: You are perfectly free to agree with him, you can agree all you want. But you are not free to disagree.

It looks like SDAC is giving you more of a headache than this Imm guy. Two hotels lost already plus the ones lost from previous years, it is looking like you might have too hold your conference in your garage there Mr. Taylor. Hopefully one of the people coming will bring some punch and cookies (I assume chocolate cookies are out) Maybe afterwards you can all go too the Communist Lobster err Red Lobster or Olive Garden and munch on cheddar biscuits and breadsticks. I mean for such a distinguished event you sure have such poor taste in food. Are Don and David too cheap too afford something a little classier? Foodo italiano authentico and catch of last month “sea”food do not a good meal make.

Have fun and see you at your garage. I will bring my own folding chair so you don’t have too rent too many ; )

“… curious why any discussion of white racial awareness, expression, or survival is the most taboo topic in the Western world today. My theory is that white racial awareness, expression, or survival is threat to the far left who see it as one of the few obstacles left to their expansion.”
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This is THE threat to the status quo. There is literally nothing that matches it.

People in power know that if White racial awareness awakens it is the #1 game changer.

Here is Imm idea of a debate:

“…If an American public street corner is not a ‘proper, public’ setting for you to address the American public, then it is not just me that American Renaissance is afraid of - it is America itself that you are afraid of…”

A proper public setting for a debate, according to Imm, is on a street corner in front of his own marxist supporters—and any other non-White rabble that he and his White-hating minions could quickly gather up and agitate into a hateful mob.

He wants to portray M. Taylor as one who is ‘fearful’ and ‘cannot defend his ideals’ on a STREET CORNER in front of a White-hating mob, free to shout M. Taylor down or attack him physically so they could claim ‘victory’ over ‘White supremacists.’ What Imm is trying to do is lure M. Taylor into hostile territory so the rabble can have at him—I believe a physical attack is what he’s aiming for.

A proper debate includes a moderator, rules of engagement, time limits, an assurance that those who disrupt are quickly escorted out, and, above all, security for M. Taylor with the promise that any who attack him physically will be charged with a assault and battery. It is already a given that the Justice Department will not come to our defense.

It is under these circumstance that Imm refuses to debate. Although, as Anon #38 pointed out, Imm would quickly resort to repeating ad hominem, marxist slogans to ‘prove his point’ and claim ‘victory over White racists.’

Meanwhile, the $PLC is busy writing down license plates and taking photos of those who attend in order to get them fired from their jobs. THAT is the reason we are forced to use ‘noms de guerre’, Imm.

The First Amendment is long dead and IMM is busy making sure that it stays that way. He is a fascist: ” The law and Free Speech are only what I say it is!” “Ignorance is Strength!” “If you don’t agree with someone, the best course of action is to threaten his livelihood, shout him down and attack him physically!”

But above all, Imm is a useful idiot, with little understanding (I read through his site). He doesn’t know what he’s talking about and is woefully ignorant of FACTS—what he and others of his ilk call Hate Facts, such as FBI statistics, MRI results of brain sizes, the stubborn achievement gap, irrefutable, life-long research by university professors holding PhD.’s.

I would like to ask Imm if he would employ the same tactics to make sure the hispanic supremacist group LaRaza could not meet, protest in front of its meetings, offer to debate the leader ‘on a street corner’ , of course, and accuse them of racial Hate Speech.

I would guess not.

Bon

I fully support people’s right to free speech and assembly, and people’s right to have this conference. I agree with most everything said on this website.

I am just curious: are black people barred from attending the AR conference? Also what is the aim of the conference?

Mr. Imm’s challenge, complete with an inconvienient time, large numbers of his supporters and a sympathetic mass media, is so far from the definition of “real courage” that he could be sued for false advertisement if he were running a business.

Mr. Imm should say some prayers to the mainstream media.

Pray that they keep covering up White demographic decline.

Pray that they keep covering up high levels of Black on White crime.

Pray that the internet gets regulated the same way that the rest of the mass media is.

I’m sure the powers that be will be happy to oblige you. The profits of the big corporations depend on it.

This is for 51 — Black Yet Girlish who wrote at 11:49 AM on February 1:

“I fully support people’s right to free speech and assembly, and people’s right to have this conference. I agree with most everything said on this website.

I am just curious: are black people barred from attending the AR conference? Also what is the aim of the conference?”

I don’t think Blacks are barred from AR conferences or any other AR activities, but it generally doesn’t work that well for non Whites to come to events or be out in the open supporting us.

It comes off like Pat Buchanan’s choice of the Black woman John Birch Society member Miss Foster to be his Vice President choice on the Reform Party ticket.

Our target market is Whites and we need to get Whites to show some courage to support the basic rights/culture of our people. If we can’t get Whites to care about the existence of our own people, we’re not going to get “Saved” by help from nice, good non Whites like you and there are of course so many decent, fair, nice Black Americans, Asians etc.

The problems Whites face are caused by the selfish and cowardly actions of other Whites, with White elites. We can’t blame Jews, Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, secret societies, conspiracy theories for the very cowardly, stupid, selfish actions of most White Americans these last 100 years.

Now we must do our best to work for CHANGE. Yeah, we need to do COMMUNITY ORGANIZING, we need White Community Organizers.

Thank you very much for your honest, kind offer. Maybe send a small donation to Amren.com or vdare.com

I don’t many people, White or non White will be happy in an American that looks like TJ Mexico, Haiti, Yemen or the Sudan.

In response to Black Yet Girlish. You would not be the first non-white to attend the conference. I’m certain that, as long as you’re respectful and courteous, you will get the same treatment from others.

Jared Taylor made a very fair and reasonable offer to debate. Jeffrey Imm has failed to respond in kind, offering neither a serious debate, or a serious opponent.

The following is relevant:

“Strange it is, that men should admit the validity of the arguments for free discussion, but object to their being “pushed to an extreme”; not seeing that unless the reasons are good for an extreme case, they are not good for any case. Strange that they should imagine that they are not assuming infallibility, when they acknowledge that there should be free discussion on all subjects which can possibly be doubtful, but think that some particular principle or doctrine should be forbidden to be questioned because it is so certain, that is, because they are certain that it is certain. To call any proposition certain, while there is anyone who would deny its certainty if permitted, but who is not permitted, is to assume that we ourselves, and those who agree with us, are the judges of certainty, and judges without hearing the other side” (John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859)

The following is a message from myself to Mr. Imm.

Dear Mr. Imm,

You have apparently invited Jared Taylor to debate you in a forum full of your own supporters. Mr. Taylor would be debating in an arena full of people extremely biased against him with no interest whatsoever in allowing him to express his viewpoints. I have seen this type of so called debate before. The following is my belief. You would get cheers and he would get booed. The boos would often drown out whatever staterment(s) Mr. Taylor would be attempting to make. Then at some point, perhaps due to impatience, one or more of your more radical supporter(s) would engage in some sort of stunt thus ending the debate. There is no question that if you were serious about engaging in a true debate that you would be willing to reach a mutual agreement with Jared Taylor to meet in an unbiased forum, or at least a less biased one than a room full of your supporters. You are clearly not serious about having a true debate but rather appearing as though you are.”

Ted

46 Ron:

It’s all become a race for money. As much as one may not like everything or even most things the ADL and SWC did in the olden days, e.g. before I was born, they weren’t into this paranoia-industrial complex hustling until Morris Dees came along. One he started making a buck, from people who used to give money to the ADL and SWC, then they had to follow suit. Their success only spawned dozens of national, regional and local imitators, such as One Sheople’s Project, Imagine 2050, ProVote, and now this Imm character with his “Real Cowardice.”

59 — True Resistance wrote:
Mr. Imm’s challenge, complete with an inconvienient time, large numbers of his supporters and a sympathetic mass media, is so far from the definition of “real courage” that he could be sued for false advertisement if he were running a business.
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Not only that, but not on a street corner. And in mid-February.
It should be a place settled upon by mutual agreement, not a place arbitrarily dictated by one party to the other.
He’s pretty nervy, I’d say!

Black Yet Girlish asked:

“I fully support people’s right to free speech and assembly, …
I am just curious: are black people barred from attending the AR conference? Also what is the aim of the conference?”
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It’s good to read that!

Of course, I do not speak for Amren, but I have never known them to impose any kind of qualification regarding religion, race, sex, age, ethnic group, etc. They do not ask questions or bar anyone. Yes, they do have list of special concerns which are primarily of importance to whites, but anyone else who is concerned and in agreement is surely welcome to attend. Their invitation did not ask anything about race — nor any other personal questions for that matter.

They are not interesting in persecuting anyone. But they do seek to preserve the country that we’ve known, the country that has been good to ALL of us, rather than allow it to be turned into a third world sweatshop for the exclusive profit of a few mega-capitalists who couldn’t care less about the rest of us. I’m sure that thinking blacks could certainly identify with that, as such a scenario is not in their interest either.

AmRen is one of my favourite places to visit in the entire Internet… one of the sites I visit everyday.

East Asians, especially young East Asian men, started suffering our share of liberal leftism.

Some of the people I hate most (and I rarely use the verb hate) in Toronto are the police officers who suddenly become very very reluctant to do anything once they realize the possible perpetrators are immigrants from some parts of the world or blacks. They suddenly become very busy looking for excuses what they cannot do anything. The police officers in Toronto are very scared of being labeled as racists.

And if the police officers ever realize the perpetrators are East Asian men or white, we East Asian men better run for our lives and pray for our own safety.

A new shield for young East Asian men: “I saw some people who did much worse than this, and there were valid evidences and had to appear in court as well, but they ended up not having to do anything.” in other words… “finger pointing.” works like a charm most of the time.

“Black Yet Girlish,” there were a few non-whites at the last AR Conference. They were treated with total civility as far as I could see. The thugs who thought we shouldn’t confer at all were outside protesting, showing exactly what we’re fighting. Myself, I was glad to think at least a few non-whites care about the trampled concerns of white people. Some non-whites do oppose diversity, more than will dare speak out so far, IMHO. The far-seeing, like Thomas Sowell or Michelle Malkin, grasp what a tragedy a Third World America will be for all.

Readers should google Jeffrey Imm. This brand X lowlife seems to champion free speech, but only, apparently, for groups he either favors, or groups he thinks he can defeat in written debate.
He’s obviously just bright enough to realize that AmRen is a group, and Jared is a man, he cannot defeat. Moreover, if the slumbering masses of Euro-Americans were to hear somee of the wonderful truths at the conference, their lives might be forever changed, along with suppressors of free speech like the odious Mr. Imm.

@Poster #3 “Anonymous” at 6:37 on Jan 29:

I witnessed this incident at AmRen 2000.

Upon our arrival, both sides of the hotel driveway were lined with people sporting various signage; the most prevalent being a swastika with a red circle around it and red diagonal bar across it. (“No Nazi’s)

My g/f looked at me with a surprised look as if to say “What in the world are you bringing me to?” I told her to relax and instructed her that this was just PSYOPS designed to keep our people silent.

While getting our baggage out of the vehicle, we noticed 5 unwashed young men carrying skateboards, laughing, as they made their way to the assembled crowd. I asked them, “Hey fellas, what’s going on over there?” One of them replied, “We’re protesting a Nazi rally. Come and join us!” Again, my g/f gave me ‘the look’.

As we walked up to the entrance, Mr. Taylor was there to greet us wearing a dark blue suit. He glanced over at the assembly and remarked “What appears to be the problem?” I told him, “It appears a group called American Renaissance is sponsoring a Nazi rally and we were invited to help “stop the hate”.”

He smiled, adjusted his cuffs and strode out to the crowd amid a chorus of jeers. He calmly smiled with his hands up to his shoulders, palms forward, as if to gesture “Please be quiet and let me speak.”

He offered to grant free admission to any ONE protester, in order to allow them to evaluate what AmRen was really all about. His only requirement was that the person remained civil and be genuinely inquisitive.

There were no takers.

So much for the “open-mindedness” of the Left!

I’ve been thinking: if liberals were comfortable with the positions and opinions, why are they so nasty, rude, and uncivilized when it comes to conservatives and people in the
pro-white movement? Mr. Taylor is not advocating genocide of
non-whites. He’s not wanting to bring back slavery. So where is the ‘hate’? Where is the ‘evil intentions’? Fact is, liberals are angry because they know their opposition is right. Liberals like free speech as long as you agree with them.

I have found this web-site by accident and am horrified at the premise that it promotes “reality-based” racial news. The fact that it is a racially based pro-white web site means , per se, it promulgates racial divides. All discussions whether economic, social, religious, political, or legal by their very definition are filtered thru the prism of race. By my definition then, this is a RACIST web-site promoting hate and intolerance between races.

I am a poor white old man…..I thought that I had lived long enough to see walls of hatred between races slowly dissolve and crumble into the dust bin of history. This website and the organization supporting it, make me wonder.

” I have found this web-site by accident and am horrified at the premise that it promotes “reality-based” racial news. The fact that it is a racially based pro-white web site means , per se, it promulgates racial divides. All discussions whether economic, social, religious, political, or legal by their very definition are filtered thru the prism of race. By my definition then, this is a RACIST web-site promoting hate and intolerance between races.

I am a poor white old man…..I thought that I had lived long enough to see walls of hatred between races slowly dissolve and crumble into the dust bin of history. This website and the organization supporting it, make me wonder.”

Well big guy I am a Korean kid who enjoys reading articles and posts and always feel responsible that I must provide information regarding Canada and East Asia as much as I know.

It is not totally correct to say AmRen is a racist society… I would define AmRen as the type of a community where we never hide anything and honestly state what we recognize and feel regarding the events that happen around the world. I learned while I was attending one of the best schools in Canada that the mainstream media heavily filters the content it brings to the public. There can be a couple of reasons… First, the mainstream media is scared of being labeled as a racist, secondly, they do not want to have to suffer the possible legal actions taken by some people…. or both. In my opinion, no, just because the MSN stays honest to the public, does not make the MSM an evil empire…. but that’s not the reality at the moment.

Just because we honestly recognize that a black man or black woman or an immigrant from the third world did something wrong, that does not mean we are bad people!!

Maybe you can answer these questions: Is the only way to prove that we are not racists to forgive blacks or third-world immigrants for every crime they commit? Does it automatically make me or anyone a bad person, if we honestly condemn a black person or a third-world immigrant for the crimes he or she has committed?

I often hear positive comments and compliments regarding South Korea and Japan on AmRen, and even if I never hear any compliments regarding Japan and Korea, I would still come here regularly.

See? AmRen is indeed respected by non-whites as well, and I am the proof!! I am a non-white who enjoys AmRen.

oh, did I tell you I have a really powerful iPod??? haha (inside joke between me and some AmRen mother)

Happy Korean New Year’s Day, AmRen!! (Koreans celebrate the new year’s day according to the lunar calendar)

Well Korean Puppy,to answer your question, it doesn’t necessarily make you a racist for pointing out a black person, an immigrant, or a women committed a crime.

It does, by inferance, make you one when you imply the crime as characteristic of all people who they represent. Your question: “Is the only way we can prove we are not racist is to forgive every immigrant of black for every crime they have committed?” No one is asking for such forgiveness because every immigrant or black is not guilty of whatever crimes some individual(s) may have committed.

Anyway, I’ve stumbled upon these pages but I thoughtfully will depart….too much sadness in my heart for what I read …and ignorance.

…I am a poor white old man..I thought that I had lived long enough to see walls of hatred between races slowly dissolve and crumble into the dust bin of history. This website and the organization supporting it, make me wonder.”

Sir: I am also a poor white old man. Probably older than you are. I have seen a great deal of racial interaction and strife, and have personally been a victim more times than I can count, while I suspect (from your comments) that you have not. I wonder what “walls between races” you have ever seen in Maine? How could they crumble when there were none to begin with? Do you know, through any real experience what you are talking about, other than just speaking from the position of naive and abstract idealism in a place far removed from knowledge of racial problems? Lucky you! Most of us simply want to live in a white place, among our own, such as where you live. Is that so terrible a wish? Then if we are criminals, so are you for living in a white community.

If you had lived your life in a “diverse” place like Detroit or St. Louis, and had experienced the rampant black crime and disfunction there, you would doubtless have a very different view today. Frankly, you are able to preach to others about “hatred between races” because you have the luxury of living in a place where you don’t have any such thing — due to the lack of other races. We only want what you already have. What you take for granted.

Forgive me, but to be blunt, someone who does not know whereof he speaks is in a poor position to be lecturing othere. If you haven’t walked in their shoes, you have no right to judge their circumstances.

@PaulOfMaine:

I am quite saddened to hear of your poverty; one would think that a person who had lived for many years and be as “enlightened” as yourself would have been better able to make a success of himself.

My condolences.

In reference to PaulFromMaine (#73, #75) and Korean Puppy (#74), I am also of East Asian descent and enjoys AmRen (which I find very educational) and posters’ comments.

In relation to this episode with Mr. Imm, I think ultimately AmRen recognizes that (1) history and (2) reality (i.e. science, biology) are on its side. And these are Mr. Imm’s invincible enemies, hysterical chanting of ‘love’ or ‘equality’ notwithstanding.

What do I mean by that? All of us evolved through small bands and groups, and our concentric loyalties (Hamiltonian kin selection) translate into our loving our own biological brothers (or children) more than loving some random (genetically distant) stranger. The “love” that Mr. Imm keeps chanting about is not a universal one. We love our own ethnic group or race (or religious group to the extent it is endogamic) more than we love ‘the other’. That’s a fact of human nature (e.g. read Steven Pinker’s best-seller The Blank Slate, or listen to Jared Taylor’s lectures), and is not going to change soon not matter how many millions or billions of dollars you pour into social engineering.

In fact it’s so well known it’s captured in an old Islamic maxim: “me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin, me and my cousin against the world.” What kumbaya ‘universalist’ liberals don’t recognize (or refuse to see, for obvious reasons) is that on a macro level this applies to the relationship between various ethnic/racial groups as well

e.g. see http://tinyurl.com/yl8bt9q

What an anarchist like Mr. Imm is desperately trying to do is to smash down old social orders (not just on race or religion but also various forms which he deems as ‘oppression’ etc.) in name and guise of “human rights” or “equality AND liberty” when in fact that amounts to declaring war on nature itself: (1) this whole idea of ‘human right’ is itself not natural - hence it had to be “declared” in 1948; and (2) Equality and liberty are antonyms (again, see Pinker’s Blank Slate).

In reference to (1): sorry, declaring it so does not make it true and chanting it repeatedly does not make it true. Did human rights suddenly sprout out of the ground in 1948? If ‘human rights’ really exist in nature please explain that to a child who is dying from leukemia? Or a teenager who died in a car accident? There is no such a thing as ‘rights’ in nature; it’s merely socially concocted and socially construed concept

For (2): Humans are unequal. Equality of opportunity (i.e. liberty) WILL translate into inequality of outcome; whereas equality of outcome NECESSITATES inequality of opportunity (discrimination). Equality and liberty are not synonyms, they are antonyms. You can’t square that circle. You can’t have both.

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You may drive out nature with a pitchfork, but she will always return.

@PaulOfMaine’s very generous racial views are typical of Canadians, Swedes, Finns, etc. Not surprising from a Mainer either. There is a simple reason. One has to note that Paul does not live in Alabama or Mississippi.

His is a tolerance born from the luxury of not having other races (ie blacks) to have to live with and deal with up close and daily. Paul lives in a state which is 98% white, and only 1% black; yet he condemns us merely for envying him this blessing and for wanting to have the same or something at least similar for ourselves. His un-thought-out kumbaya philosophy, though it sounds highly moral, is a luxury that only distance can sustain. It is based more on geography than on altruism. It is always easier to “love” other peoples when they are at a comfortable distance … preferably hundreds or even thousands of miles away.

Paul, if you are reading this, I hope you will give it serious thought. And if you still feel that I am wrong, please say why.

To #78, I couldn’t agree with you more! Liberals don’t like facts. Every liberal program has failed: socialism, feminism, and muliticulturalism. Liberals are very snotty and nasty with dissent, because they know the common folk or ‘redneck’ is right 100% of the time. Mixing people of different groups together is only something whites have bought into since the 50s and 60s. This doesnt’ mean we ‘hate’ people different than us. What anyone hates is when they are forced to do soemthing that goes against their personal freedoms and instincts.

ghw:

I read a story yesterday that various Democrats running for Governor of Maine are debating each other about the “gun show” (not) “loophole.” In passing, the article claimed that ME has the second lowest crime rate in the union and the highest gun ownership rate in the union (the latter I find hard to believe when you’re in the same union as Texas). My thought was that the reason ME is the 2nd safest state in the union has far more to do with it being 97.8% white. But it won’t be in 2nd place for much longer b/c the black population, mainly Somali “refugees,” has increased by more than a third between 2000 and 2005.