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Conversation Cops Step In to School Students

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Carly Weeks, Globe and Mail, November 19, 2008

Your friend’s new fuchsia fedora might be hideous. But don’t call it gay, or you might get a language lesson from the conversation cops.

Students at Queen’s University who sprinkle their dialogue with an assortment of “homo” or “retarded” could find out the hard way that not everyone finds their remarks acceptable.

The Kingston university has hired student facilitators to step in when they overhear homophobic slurs, remarks bashing women or racially tinged insults, along with an array of other language that could be deemed offensive.

That means tête-à-têtes in the residence hallways may no longer be just between friends.

“If people are having a conversation with offensive content and they’re doing it loud enough for a third person to hear it … it’s not private,” said Jason Laker, dean of student affairs at Queen’s.

“If you’re doing anything that’s interfering with what other people need to be doing, that’s not cool.”

The initiative, believed to be the first of its kind in Canada, is part of a broader program begun at the school this fall to foster diversity and encourage students to think about their beliefs.

But the move is sparking fresh debate over the line between politically correct behaviour and freedom of expression. Some students fear the university’s program borders on oppressive.

“Having a program like this in place could stifle public discussion if people are worried their private conversations are being monitored,” said Angela Hickman, managing editor of the Queen’s Journal, a campus newspaper. “For a lot of people, their opinions get formed in conversations and so stifling that is dangerous.”

The newspaper published an editorial last week criticizing the program as a “lacklustre” attempt to deal with social issues that could actually create hostility among students.

But Mr. Laker said the new “intergroup dialogue program” focuses on respectful, non-confrontational discussions that don’t impede freedoms.

“This is difficult work. It needs to be done very respectfully,” Mr. Laker said. “There’s really no interference.”

Under the new program, six student facilitators live and work within campus residences. Their mission is threefold: to engage students “spontaneously” by talking to them about an issue that has arisen, for instance, on campus or in the media; to hold movie nights, book readings or discussions on a range of social issues; and to step in when conflicts arise.

And if students become uncomfortable when a facilitator calls out someone on an offensive slur, it shouldn’t be seen as a bad thing, Mr. Laker said. It means they’re forced to think about their choices.

“That is an acceptable tension to have,” he said. “I would go further. I would say it’s a beneficial tension.”

But some students wish it would remain a discussion between friends, rather than a dialogue with a university-appointed facilitator.

If the facilitators jump into a group conversation, “they risk hostility from students who don’t want to be approached in what they consider private social settings,” said the editorial published in the campus newspaper.

Intergroup dialogue programs are well established at many universities in the United States. But many of those consist of credit courses taught by faculty members or student facilitators who have received rigorous training over several semesters in a classroom environment.

The Queen’s facilitators went through an intensive 11-day training course that touched on a variety of social issues and possible scenarios.

Patricia Gurin, professor emeritus of psychology and women’s studies at the University of Michigan, is one of the founders of the intergroup dialogue concept.

While she didn’t comment specifically on the program launched at Queen’s, she warned that such activities could backfire if they are not carried out by highly trained individuals who have experience with a variety of conflicts and social issues.

“It takes a lot of skill to do this work,” Ms. Gurin said in an interview yesterday.

She said that facilitators who haven’t been trained properly could end up reinforcing defence mechanisms of privileged students.

“White males say ‘This is more white-male bashing.’ What are they learning from that? Reinforcement of defensiveness rather than opening up and exploring is the consequence.”

Daniel Hayward is one of the six student facilitators who began their work at Queen’s in August. A graduate student, Mr. Hayward said the group received extensive training and has already had success talking to students about a variety of social issues.

He said much of their work is passive and done on a casual level. For instance, they had a poster campaign on campus earlier this year using the phrase “That’s so gay” to grab attention and then to point out why it’s offensive to some.

“It’s helping to create an atmosphere of inclusivity,” Mr. Hayward said.

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1 — Ranger wrote at 6:50 PM on November 19:

“And if students become uncomfortable when a facilitator calls out someone on an offensive slur, it shouldn’t be seen as a bad thing, Mr. Laker said. It means they’re forced to think about their choices.”

And if a “facilitator” gets his *** kicked for criticizing someone’s point of view that’s one of the programs real life offers. It’s called “Don’t force your radical leftist ideas on other people. W101.”

2 — JustSaying wrote at 7:14 PM on November 19:

Apparently something deep inside humans just craves a witch hunt.
“Burn her, burn her, she’s a witch” must be in our DNA somewhere, because it never seems to go away; it just takes other forms. The best we can do is acknowledge it & learn to deal with it somehow.

Seriously, is being accused of racism much different that an accusation of witchcraft? they’re both equally irrational & impossible to disprove.

3 — Janelle wrote at 7:16 PM on November 19:

>>“It’s helping to create an atmosphere of inclusivity,” Mr. Hayward said.

Absolutely sickening.

Nothing like monitoring private conversations to foster that warm and fuzzy P.C. sense of “inclusiveness”. When do the nanny-cams and other recording devices get installed in the dorms? Will there be rewards for student snitches?

College life should be about figuring out who you are and where you are headed, not how to out-wit the “student facilitators” and other uber-leftist busy-bodies.

Will non-whites be monitored to see if they are being “inclusive”? Somehow,I don’t think so.

It is good to have graduated long before this oppressive offal was ever hatched but you really have feel sorry for the white students in Queen’s University. The “best days of their lives” just got a whole lot worse.


4 — Anonymous wrote at 7:43 PM on November 19:

The speech and thought police have arrived under the name of “facillator”….Until Whites worldwide step up to the plate and denounce ALL hate crime laws, so-called “civil rights”legislation, de-segregation, affirmative action, 3rd world immigration, groups such as the ADL/SPLC, La Raza, Naacp etc. then just lie there and be displaced all over the world. In the lands your ancestors built and created, just hand it over to the hordes of the 3rd world. Hand your kids over to them also through indoctrination and miscegnation. You will not recognize your grandchildren in those “family” photos.

5 — Madison Grant wrote at 9:29 PM on November 19:

Great idea, Canucks! There are two students at Queen’s University I want you to listen in on: Winston Smith and his girlfriend Julia.

Rumor has it they once criticized Big Brother.

6 — Anonymous wrote at 10:32 PM on November 19:

In the old Soviet Union and Mao’s China facilitators were titled Commissars, political flunkies inserted into every workplace, school, housing project, community center, recreational area, sports facilities etc to detect and hunt down those who did not toe the party line of the day.

7 — Anonymous wrote at 11:12 PM on November 19:

“Until Whites worldwide step up to the plate and denounce ALL hate crime laws, so-called “civil rights” legislation, de-segregation, affirmative action, 3rd world immigration, groups such as the ADL/SPLC, La Raza, Naacp etc. then just lie there and be displaced all over the world”.

Sure, we do want to completely ban those groups at the same time we form our own versions. Basically have our own civil-rights era. I would tend to disagree with your premise, however. Sure, we all know the groups you mentioned tend to work against white interests. Maybe it’s even ‘genocide’. Simply ‘opposing’ those groups, however, on it’s own, can actually make us look bad. It reinforces what those groups are saying in the sense that the ‘racists are really out there’. I remember the whites studies professor who visited this site and declared we’re just proof he needed to redouble his efforts. Simply opposing these groups also gives real legitimacy to them and the very latest they are arguing. I think all the arguments against reparations, 160 years later, are proof enough of that. Not to mention it serves to focus more attention on the issues already getting attention. AmReners arguing about doing what’s best for blacks? Spare me.

What purpose would it really serve to hold up a ‘sign’ saying ‘stop all hate crime laws’? It would be better to talk about our own experiences and form our own groups, such as, ‘stop displacement’, if you’re worried about displacement all over the world. We know there’s a double standard and the non-white and liberal groups are allowed to be anti-us. So it’s best if we just stick to our own issues. It’s enough just to have a white association group in existence. Think of it.

8 — Cassiodorus wrote at 11:13 PM on November 19:

Milton famously asked what sort of person would desire the office of censor, and what kind of man ought to be entrusted with that duty. Here is his answer, 350 years later: sniveling, nanny-state apparatchiks and fawning student factotums. How can any Western person countenance this sort of thing? I believe China no longer has neighborhood spies, but Queen’s University is going to patrol student conversations.

“White males say ‘This is more white-male bashing.’ What are they learning from that? Reinforcement of defensiveness rather than opening up and exploring is the consequence.”

Interesting that “white males” [nb. they are white men] are singled out here. Clearly their responses are illegitimate unless they parrot what dolts like Patricia Gurin think they ought to be compelled to believe. Blacks of both sexes say “that is racism.” What are they learning from that? That they are a protected, criticism-proof class whose every asinine complaint is grounds for some variety of anti-white action.

But maybe these criticisms are premature. After all, the little kumrads have ELEVEN DAYS of INTENSIVE TRAINING. Maybe that does qualify one to critique and censor the opinions of others.

9 — James wrote at 11:44 PM on November 19:

I wonder if Jason Laker will confront gangs of black males playing homophobic or misogynist rap music?

Seriously, this creep needs to be stalked night and day with a microphone, recording everything he says. He’s bound to slip up sooner or later and then he can be exiled as a ‘racist’.

10 — sbuffalonative wrote at 11:55 PM on November 19:


It’s true. We learn nothing from history. Even when you teach them about the Inquisition and Witch Hunts, we never seem to grasp what we’re supposed to learn.

‘Suppression of those people, bad, Suppression of these people, good’.

11 — June wrote at 9:02 AM on November 20:

Shhhh…the thought police are listening to your every word. Say the wrong thing, and it’s the Gulag for you. Remember when this was the land of the FREE and the home of the BRAVE?

12 — Jackers wrote at 9:46 AM on November 20:

Man! This has got to take the cake! It’s already happening in Europe, and now Canada’s jumping on board… Talk about the absolute stifling of free thought and free speech… Police State anyone? This ugly, dangerous and ever-growing “politically-correct” ideology is like a horrible cancer… It’s killing us!

To me it’s a simple question… Do we wish to live in a politically-correct society or a free society?

13 — Robert Kelly wrote at 10:42 AM on November 20:

Isn’t it amazing the number of paralells Political Correctness has with Nazism, Fascism, Communism, in so far as the methods employed to inculcate a particular ideology in someone? Isn’t there true believers that are rushing the stage in extreme hysteria, when someone is giving a point of view different from theirs ? Or incidents of people who chain themselves together in protest because they want to bring attention to some point they don’t agree with, or they want to prevent a visit of a person whose ideas they fear, because they might convert someone away from their perverted cause?

Their despicable, hateful rhetoric is legendary in it’s mindless viciousness, and they don’t seem to be satisfied to quietly pursue what they believe in, confident that they’re right, they require that everybody else have the some beliefs they do, and if they don’t, at certain times they deem important, they’ll conduct themselves like hysterical maniacs, and I’m pretty sure if it would ever come to that they wouldn’t hesitate to kill someone as a last resort to convert him.

And their tenuous hold on reality….and sanity….. is no better displayed when they hiss “hater,” their favorite pejorative, at those who hold saner views.

Or, like the poor fool in this article who is so afflicted with political correcness he can’t be satisfied in just doing his job, which is teaching students knowledge. He feels compelled to have selected programmed ideologues circulate throughout the population eavesdropping on what people say, and if it is in contradiction to political correcness he expects his appointed agents to call them on it in order to straighten them out, because he believes theres something wrong with someone’s opinions if they don’t match his.

Or how about sects? I think the similarities there are eerily alike also. Politically correct ideologues believe in tenants that not only have few or no connection to facts they believe in ones that are obviously false, or fanciful, with no evidence necessary to prove them wrong but living in the real world. But the chilling aspect of these types is that very often they’ll pursue whatever it is they’ve been brainwashed with to their deaths, something like committing mass suicide because the spaceship from an imaginary planet fails to arrive on schedule. That’s no exaggeration.

Diversity is surely dangerous, but the overall ideology of political correctness that promotes diversity can be just as fatal for a nation as the isms that have nearly destroyed mankind.

14 — Fed-Up Canuck wrote at 12:03 PM on November 20:

The first time Kingston, Ontario came under a previous P.C. attack was when their police force initiated a “racial profile” study as reported in this 2005 Amren post where it was stated “After the results were unveiled, an emotional Chief Closs apologized to the city’s black population.

Blacks are less than 1% of their population and mostly of immigrant origin, yet the grovelling Police Chief was moved to tears over an inconclusive study that would thereafter place his officers in perpetual caution-mode for fear of damaging their careers, whenever stopping a black person for questioning.

Now we have Kingston-based Queen’s University targeted for another round a guilt-inducing sessions designed to soften-up pliable young minds so they learn to follow the party line, too.

Also, Brenda Walker has written a timely article on “freedom of speech” issues posted over at Vdare.com.

15 — Seek wrote at 12:16 PM on November 20:

“Inclusivity,” my foot. This is about creating an atmosphere of fear — fear of saying the “wrong” word.

Big Brother is watching you. “Facilitators” should be recognized for they are: finks. Tell each of them to get lost and get a life.

16 — Anonymous wrote at 12:50 PM on November 20:

“In the old Soviet Union and Mao’s China facilitators were titled Commissars, political flunkies inserted into every workplace, school, housing project, community center, recreational area, sports facilities etc to detect and hunt down those who did not toe the party line of the day.”

Lenin and Stalin even had people standing in food lines, hanging around the zoos and parks and riding buses and subways all day and night listening for subersive speech.

17 — Brett Stevens wrote at 1:03 PM on November 20:

This is how cults enforce dogma: snitches, moral superiority, smugness and sneering.

It’s psychologically unhealthy to create a fake reality and force us all to live in it, just because we are afraid of some consequences.

People are getting too darn wimpy.

18 — Anonymous wrote at 2:02 PM on November 20:

For instance, they had a poster campaign on campus earlier this year using the phrase “That’s so gay” to grab attention and then to point out why it’s offensive to some.

“It’s helping to create an atmosphere of inclusivity,” Mr. Hayward said.

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These people are wacked out. How does “inclusivity” (I presume this means “inclusion”) derive from not using the phrase “That’s so gay”??

It’s retarded.

19 — BW Sam wrote at 2:10 PM on November 20:

“White males say ‘This is more white-male bashing.’ What are they learning from that? Reinforcement of defensiveness rather than opening up and exploring is the consequence.”

Well, when one is being attacked, be it verbally or otherwise, defensiveness is the proper response. Be that as it may, I’d wager what Ms. Gurin is hearing is usually not so much defensiveness as dismissal, perhaps colored with a hint of irritation.

Students at Queen’s University… could find out the hard way that not everyone finds their remarks acceptable.

Where I grew up, learning the hard way about the acceptability of your remarks often meant that the person who found them unacceptable just arranged for you to make several car payments for your dentist. Seemed to work just fine. Even ensured a certain degree of civility amongst folks. Censors, eavesdroppers and thought police were, and are, unnecessary.

20 — Michael C. Scott wrote at 4:18 PM on November 20:

Somehow, the notion of informant Thought Police-wannabes monitoring private conversations seems unliky to foster a sense of “inclusivity”. “Paranoia” would be a more accurate description of what will be engendered.

If I was subjected to an environment like this, I am certain I could give the student “facilitator” the impression that I was suffering from a severe case of Tourette’s Syndrome.

21 — browser wrote at 2:51 PM on November 24:

“Milton famously asked what sort of person would desire the office of censor, and what kind of man ought to be entrusted with that duty. “
Posted by Cassiodorus
— — — — — —
Excellent question. And the answer is: probably a lot of people right here! After all, doesn’t Amren employ them too? We’ve frequently seen calls to screen out people with this opinion or that opinion. Any opinion not in accord with the poster’s own opinion would be banished. There are always some who would like it that way.

22 — oldshoe wrote at 7:53 AM on November 26:

I am impressed and thankful that there are people who recognize what “they” are trying to do to all of us. I am over 50 and what is happening all over the western world is freedom being replaced by chains. I hope the youth of the “free world” will keep their eyes open and not be intimidated by the morons who seek to “chain” all of us. Keep fighting and don’t let the so called “enlightened” take your freedom away. There is nothing wrong with speaking your mind. They will turn this planet into a prison if you don’t fight them. 1984 is here now. We are in a fight for our lives.


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