EDL Leaders Quit over Concern About Far-Right Extremism

Martin Evans, Telegraph (London), October 8, 2013

Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll, the leaders of the English Defence League (EDL), have announced they are leaving the organisation because it contains too many far-right extremists.

The pair, who set up the anti-Islamist group in 2009, said they wanted to focus on democratic ideas rather than violence to achieve their aims.

The EDL was launched in Luton to counter demonstrations held by Muslim extremists as soldiers marched through the town after returning from tours of duty.

It grew rapidly and hit the headlines with a series of high profile street demonstrations across the country, which often ended in violence as its members clashed with opponents from groups such as Unite Against Fascism.

Its members were largely drawn from white working class communities and there were claims that many of those involved were football hooligans attracted by the possibility of violence.

Mr Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, has been arrested on several occasions in connection with his attendance at EDL rallies.

But in a statement issued by the anti-extremism think tank Quilliam, it was announced that Mr Robinson and his co-founder Me Carroll, were turning their backs on the group.

The statement said: “I have been considering this move for a long time because I recognise that, though street demonstrations have brought us to this point, they are no longer productive.

“I acknowledge the dangers of far-right extremism and the ongoing need to counter Islamist ideology not with violence but with better, democratic ideas.”

Mr Robinson urged members of the EDL to follow his lead and focus their energy on more peaceful forms of protest.

The chairman and co-founder of Quilliam, Maajid Nawaz, described it as a “positive change for the United Kingdom” and said it could help reduce both far-right extremism and Islamism.

He said: “This represents not a change but a continuation for us, as challenging extremism of all kinds forms the basis of our work.

“We have been able to show that Britain stands together against extremism regardless of political views and hope to continue supporting Tommy and Kevin in their journey to counter Islamism and neo-Nazi extremism.”

But Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, urged caution over the announcement.

He said: “I met Tommy Robinson last week and during that meeting he indicated that he was leaving the EDL because he couldn’t control the extremist group, impact on his family and wider legal cases he faces.

“At no stage did he reject his previous disgusting attacks on Islam and Muslims or apologise to the British people for the millions wasted policing their protests.

“I cannot take Tommy Robinson or Kevin Carroll’s announcement seriously until they reject their fascist views on Islam and Muslims and would caution other organisations celebrating this announcement as a massive personal achievement.

“The EDL has been exposed for its racism, Islamaphobia and fascism and them leaving a sinking ship suggests the battle is being won.

“Muslims will not rest until the fascists are defeated and we as a community confront the issues of terrorism, child grooming and forced marriages”

Keith Vaz, the Leicester East MP and chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee said: “Any resignation from the EDL is welcome. Mr Robinson and Mr Carroll have previously engaged, promoted and expounded extreme views.

“Leaving the organisation is an acceptance that their opinions incite hatred and their previous actions have unnecessarily cost the taxpayer thousands of pounds. They should encourage others to resign from the organisation as well.”

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  • Puggg

    Gosh, the latest Judases.

    Tell me how treason tastes, fellas. When the very people you’re trying to suck up to you hate you just as much as they always did and call you the same names they used to, but only do it more so because they know they have your butts on a string, don’t come drooling on my forehead.

  • David Ashton

    The campaign against the enemy elite needs to operate at all levels within the law from internet argument to street protests. In Britain the opposition to multiculturalism and mass-immigration has widespread public sympathy, and also now some sporadic academic and journalist support, but its active proponents have to operate in difficult circumstances. A leaf should be taken from the communist book on the use of propaganda, front organisations and so forth, though this is more easily done in the USA, France and even Italy than other western countries.

    • dd121

      The day is rapidly approaching where operating within their marxist laws will lead to our destruction.

  • Spartacus

    Tommy Robinson is a moron and a coward, and he’s not even a real ultras ! Let’s hope the EDL can now finally become the revolutionary movement that Britain needs .

    • William Krapek

      Yes but he was authentic. A real regular guy. That went along way with me.

    • Manaphy

      Tommy Robinson was at best an incompetent coward, and at worst a pseudo-nationalist sell-out to Zionists like Robert Spencer and Pamela “Nuke Europe” Geller. Either way, I agree with you. The EDL is much better off without Robinson than it was with him.

      • Norseman

        Did Geller actually call for Europe to be nuked?

        • David Ashton

          On “Atlas Shrugs”, February 24, 2010, she wrote:

          “Under the Euro-Med partnership, Islamic countries will have full freedom of movement and be able to send millions of Muslims, without papers, into Europe…
          “Armaros correctly declares, ‘The REICH is on the march, Jews are violated, intimidated and attacked while gentiles are denied study of the holocaust by Muslim hordes…who are now calling the shots in the political world. They multiply like rats, infesting city after city bringing their Mufti Inspired hatred back into Europe to lay the ground for a new holocaust…’.
          “Israel is essential. And I pray dearly that in the ungodly event that Tehran or its jihadi proxies (Hez’ballah, Hamas etc) target Israel with a nuke, that she retaliate with everything she has at Tehran, Mecca, and Medina…. Not to mention Europe. They exterminated all their Jews, but that wasn’t enough. Those monsters then went on to import the next generation of Jew killers….
          “[In Sweden and the UK] Muslims are leading a concerted effort to remove holocaust study from schools using threats and blackmail of teachers and educators.”

    • David Ashton

      You need to live in Britain – our door is open from January next – to get the “feel” of what can and cannot work here. The EDL under “Robinson” (pseud) and out from under him has had some effect at breaking a log-jam. He is not a “moron” though some of his erstwhile followers fit that description. But a “revolutionary movement” running on alcohol, tattoos and chaos is not what Britain needs.

      • Spartacus

        You misunderstand. I’ve always had the impression that “Robinson” (I know it’s not his real name) has been a shill from day one, and that everything he did was to, ultimately, discredit the real problem, which is a racial one and not one of “Islamic radicalism”, as well as to entrap the people who could’ve truly become, at one point, leaders of a legitimate nationalist movement in your country .

        And I’ve seen some of the interviews he’s given, and he presented himself very poorly, which leads me to suspect he’s not particularly witty…

        • David Ashton

          The EDL was and I suppose remains a multi-racial and multi-cultural collection, with its own LGBT division. It did indeed focus almost only on Islamic fundamentalism, the worst of our problems, but not the only one.

          Do you have in Romania the proverb, “You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear”?

          By the way, what is your opinion of (1) Marshal Antonescu, (2) Horia Sima and (3) Mircea Eliade? Do they have any political lessons for this part of Europe?

          • Spartacus

            We don’t have a similar expression here, at least not one that I can remember right now .

            About your question – I’m not an ideologist, I’m afraid , and my own personal opinions are probably nowhere near as educated as I’d like. My only political lesson would be to fight dirty . Our enemies have won so far because too many of us want to be “legit” . There are no rules in war, other than doing what’s good for your side .

          • David Ashton

            “The moral is to the material as three to one.” – Napoleon.

          • Spartacus

            “The fate of everything that will ever be rests in our hands now.” -Dr. William Luther Pierce.

          • David Ashton

            He led a charmed life, didn’t he?

          • Spartacus

            Yes, he did. And yet – Amren doesn’t appreciate, as they’ve modded my post…

  • William Krapek

    This really depressed and stunned me when I found out about it. Oh Tommy I miss you already. You got run through by the “law” and by threats to your family; and frankly because you can’t understand that an attack on Islam is naturally part of a broader attack on multiculturalism.

    It’s just a reminder of how serious our trouble is.

    (Although as he often points out, Sikhs seem to fit in quite well. Though I’ve always suspected they got a lot of white blood in them.)

    I wouldn’t be surprised if blackmailed were part of this.

  • joesolargenius

    All large organizations attract extremist individuals and that problem has to be dealt with in an intelligent manner, even the Tea Party had neo nazis types trying to get involved but they were kept out by older and wiser leaders. The mainstream republican party tried to shanghai the TEA Party as well by using Dick Armey to help create Freedom Works but because it was mostly an older and wiser group of Americans it didn’t work. Don’t start something you can’t finish is the real motto here because now the EDL has became a tempting morsel for unsavory characters to try and take over . They need a thousand military veterans to get involved in creating districts of defense so to speak where they make certain that children are safe and English Culture is not lost .

  • Viking_61

    The EDL is not a racialist group, they are nothing more than an anti-Muslim group supported by the Conservative Inc. neocons of the UK.

  • Nathanwartooth

    No enemies on the left!

    This is the mantra said by too many conservatives.

  • sounds like Big Money bought them, paid them to quit. Big Money wants that cheap immigrant labor

    • JohnEngelman

      In the United States big money usually supports the Republican Party, and always benefits when it wins.

      • MBlanc46

        These days, John, big money wins regardless of which party is in office.

  • MBlanc46

    The only way to counter Islamist ideology is to expel the Muslims.

    • Ezra Pound

      And the Jews who lobbied to bring them in!

    • ThomasER916

      Killing the leaders and converting the followers works better. The problem is you’re living on the spent capital of Western Civilization so there’s nothing you can convert anyone to.

  • RHG

    the bigger `question `is why is england `allowing `islamic `extremists `in `and why isn’t unite `again `fascism protesting `that?

  • Carney3

    This is crackpot nonsense.

    Plenty of strong pro-white pro-Westerners recognize the Islamic menace at home AND abroad, including from the apocalyptic undeterrable zealot regime in Teheran. Preventing those maniacs from getting nuclear weapons is not a conspiracy to distract attention from immigration; it’s part of the same struggle against the same enemy.

    It is in fact anti-Semitic anti-Israel cranks who distract us by echoing far-Left, neo-Marxist, and Islamist propaganda instead of focusing on defending the West.

    • John Ulfsson

      Sorry, you’re not gonna defend England successfully from outsiders when you proudly embrace the human equivalent of cancer or aids as an ally of your movement.

      • Carney3

        You’re referring to Jews, I take it? If pro-white, pro-Western Jews want to work with the English to halt and reverse Muslim immigration, why spurn their help? Especially if that provides useful cover from the “Nazi” charge that otherwise ensures that decent normal persuadable whites turn away and you lose your nation forever?

        An England with no other non-English minorities but the tiny proportion of Jews that existed there for centuries anyway is an England that is drastically better than the England of today.

        Finally, why do nationalists like you oppose Zionism? If you’re so hostile to the Jews that you want to deny them any place in your national community, surely you’d want to make sure they have somewhere else to go. What better place than their historic homeland, to which they have far longer-standing ties than the Arabs who only emerged from the Arabian Peninsula in the 7th century?

  • Carney3

    In a war, you ally with willing allies. You prioritize. Sikhs and Hindus being in England is very bad. Muslims being there is far worse. The Camp of the Saints featured a non-white who threw in his lot with us.

    Remember, it’s illegal in the UK to be openly racialist, or to call for the expulsion of brown people because they are brown. But it’s not illegal, yet, to oppose ideas, such as religions. That’s why both the BNP and the EDL have focused so heavily on Islam.

    • Viking_61

      Time for some political prisoners and hunger strikers then. Let the people watch the government act like the Nazis they claim to despise.

      Can Holocaust™ “denial” still get you imprisoned in the UK?

      • watling

        Holocaust denial is not a crime in the UK.

        • David Ashton

          Even Blair, who considered this among several legislative concessions to his friends and financiers, drew the line at banning historical research, and two Jewish historians of “The Holocaust” backed this refusal. However, “The Holocaust” was given its special day (mainly for Gentiles, as Jews have their own additional Shoah day), and made a compulsory element in the school curriculum, with survivor speakers, guided tours of Auschwitz, etc.

          Of course, the question is: what precisely is “denied” or “deniable”?

          It is not only a tool of “anti-racist” ideology but has become a sloganised “icon” not only as the “worst crime in human history” but as a peg for political correctness whereby it is now alleged that mass-gassing was also applied to “gypsies, lesbians, disabled, black people and migrant workers”.

        • ThomasER916

          That’s a lie. Tell that to David Irving.

          • watling

            No it’s not. Check your facts. Irving was tried and convicted of Holocaust denial in 2006 in Austria, where it is a crime. He had denied the Holocaust in speeches made in Austria in 1989 and was arrested in 2005 whilst visiting that country.

          • Carney3

            Actually, Irving pled guilty.

          • watling

            In the Austrian court Irving accepted that the Holocaust happened, explaining that he had changed his views on the subject since denying it in 1989, but was convicted of Holocaust denial anyway. In his words:

            “Yes, there were gas chambers. Millions of Jews died. There is no question. I don’t know the figures. I’m not an expert on the Holocaust.”

            The prosecution had accused Irving of changing his position as a ruse to avoid a harsh sentence.

          • Carney3

            Holocaust denial is not illegal in the UK. What befell Irving there was that he sued an American and her publisher over a book in which she called him a Holocaust denier who had deliberately falsified and distorted evidence to fit his ideological bias. In the UK the burden of a libel lawsuit falls on the accused, giving Irving the advantage, but he lost anyway when he was incontrovertibly proven to be exactly what the book said he was (with two relatively minor exceptions). Although he was not punished as such, England’s “loser pays” legal system required Irving to bear the cost of the trial, which bankrupted him.

  • ViktorNN

    The betrayal of Britain’s white working class continues.

    As things are going now, this will continue until the historic white population of Britain is blended out of existence and becomes South Asian/West Indian/White mongrels – a useless, crass race trapped on an island with little collective group memory of how or why they’re there.

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    You ever notice how these groups proclaiming that they are against both “Islamism” and “Fascism”. Only seem to be motivated when it comes to destroying one of those supposed foes?

    • David Ashton

      “Fascism” can unfortunately now “mean” anything.

      “Islamism” is much more accurately defined in recent experience.

  • JohnEngelman

    Civil violence is counter productive in a democracy. During the 1960’s segregationist violence helped to pass the civil rights legislation. The black ghetto rioting that happened from 1964 to 1968 turned the United States into a Republican country.

    • NoMosqueHere

      I agree somewhat. But terrorism works. The PLO had, and still has, the entire world terrorized, and they got most of what they want, especially in terms of world opinion; the Nazi party in Germany started out small but grew fast as Germans saw them as ruthless, violent, and ultimately unstoppable; and political correctness in the US is enforced by the black fist and willingness to go to prison for long stretches for the commission of violent crimes against whites.

      We still have the vote in the US. We can and should use it to change the republican party: to wit, to elect candidates who are hard line on the issue of immigration (particularly the muslim invasion) and black terror in order to maintain a healthy white majority. And maybe civil disobedience by whites would be helpful as well.

      • Ezra Pound

        “PLO had, and still has, the entire world terrorized, and they got most of what they want, especially in terms of world opinion”
        What planet do you live on? The PLO doesn’t even exist in any meaningful form anymore. It is the Jews who are terrorizing the world and driving the Muslim hordes into Europe.

      • David Ashton

        German support for National Socialism, and Hitler in particular, rose and fell and rose again with economic misfortunes. The majority did not see them as a violent threat to themselves so much as to their own real or imagined opponents. Hence the vote in the Saar supervised by foreign troops and the generally warm welcome in Austria. However, the rise of a nationalist and non-communist answer to despair and humiliation became an “unstoppable” force, supported at the outset by people like Heidegger, Schmitt, Benn, Gehlen and Kolbenheyer.

        The “white cause” today does not have a comparable entrenchment in university circles: the cultural-marxists have seen to that/

  • joesolargenius

    Then it’s time that the true Brits take over the EDL and make it a useful tool.

  • Ezra Pound

    Good. The EDL was nothing but a front for zionist neo-conservatism. The UK does indeed have a “Muslim problem” but who is responsible for bringing those Muslims into the UK (and Europe)? It was the Judeo-liberal establishment coupled with the zionist entity in Palestine creating chaos and driving Muslims out of the ME. The UK could solve its Muslim immigrant problem by (1) doing what Edward I did in 1299, and (2) liquidating the zionist entity and returning Palestine to its rightful owners.

  • Mack0

    “Muslims will not rest until the fascists are defeated…

    My favorite quote because of the amazing level of irony. Islam is facist. So suppose the only way Muslims can defeat facism is by renouncing Islam.

    • ThomasER916

      I prefer fascism to Islam.

      • Mack0

        I hate to agree but I do.

  • Enoch_Power

    The EDL was funded and set up by the British State to divide potential followers away from the British Nationalist Party (BNP). In 2009 the BNP won 2 European Member of Parliament seats and had over 100 elected councillors. This was unprecedented in Nationalist history.
    The EDL marching band with its Zionist agenda was there as a weapon to destroy Nationalism and as a intelligence gathering machine for the British State.
    The EDL was ostensibly set up by a working class cheeky chappy who owned a small sun bed shop in Luton. Within THREE MONTHS we are expected to believe that this man set up a national organisation complete with designer T shirts, baseball caps. banners, flags alongside coaches laid on for demos….
    They have served their purpose and now the Powers That Be have called time…simple as!

  • David Ashton

    To enforce the PRE-existing laws more like.

  • David Ashton

    Anyone with the patience to wade into all this UK stuff should indeed read what Nick Griffin has to say and note his comment on fellow MEP Andrew Brons. All this sad story of internecine warfare – vanity, mistakes, rivalry, sectarianism, member-poaching, neo-nazism and anti-nazism, pro-zionism and anti-zionism, agents-provocateurs, etc. – is an object lesson to us all.

    • Norseman

      How much of this do you think is caused by deliberate attempts to derail the cause as opposed to open ideological differences and personal animosities?

  • Spartacus

    Keep your groups small and well-organized, and make sure the inner circle “earns” their place . Remember – there are some things an infiltrator just can’t do .

  • David Ashton

    Almost every post I have made over several years on this international website has been directed against the notion that “whites should just give up”, with practical suggestions.

    However, in Britain itself, once a relatively free country, we are hemmed in by strict laws incrementally designed to implement “equality and diversity” and a police service to enforce them, and by an electoral system and divisions among patriots that make parliamentary changes to the law extremely difficult.

    Personally I have been actively involved in serious analysis and opposition to multiracial immigration all my adult life, and do not intend to give up now.

  • William Krapek

    Well… damn.

    On the other hand: white people are just amazing. The world is lucky to have us. I come to that conclusion more and more as I look at the alternatives.

  • Carney3

    I -am- a Christian, though I have times when doubt predominates.

    Read the article I posted. The Sikhs are heavily disproportionately involved in violent crime and terrorism. More importantly, they are alien. They are not us. If all Sikhs could be made to vanish from white countries and returned to the Punjab, we’d be better off.

  • Carney3

    No, I’m saying to pay attention to the lay of the land, to the strategic terrain. When you’re weak, fight the easiest battles first, and build momentum and strength for the harder battles to come. Muslims are the most dangerous group in England, and the most disliked and thus the easiest to go after. Also, being, at least nominally, a religon, a set of ideas, they are still fair game in the British legal system. That’s why they should be the top priority of any ethno-nationalist group. Unless you wield power in a totalitarian state, nothing happens in politics without building coalitions, working together with people who only agree with you on SOME issues. That’s why working with Sikhs, Hindus, and Jews to stop and reverse Muslim immigration is a good idea. Once the Muslims are gone, re-assess the situation and deal with the next highest priority.

  • watling

    Holocaust denial is illegal in several countries but the question was:

    ‘Can Holocaust™ “denial” still get you imprisoned in the UK?’

  • Carney3

    This article is nonsense. Right on the very first page I see fatal falsehoods, when it discusses the origins of neo-conservatism.

    Neo-conservatives were former liberals and leftists who were, in the words of Irving Kristol, “mugged by reality” on the issue of blacks – especially crime but also welfare, and became fed up with the US left’s stubborn and willful blindness on the issue of the Soviet threat. To the extent that Israel was an issue, it was viewed largely through a Cold War lens.

    The rest is similar garbage – as if the war in Afghanistan was a “neo con” plot when it in fact was a necessary response to 9/11. Etc.