Why John Derbyshire Hasn’t Been Fired (Yet)

Elspeth Reeve, Atlantic Wire, April 6, 2012

National Review columnist John Derbyshire doesn’t write the most racist stuff on the Internet—not even close! But Derbyshire does effectively demonstrate, year after year, exactly how racist you can be and still get published by people who consider themselves intellectuals. Derbyshire has shocked the internet—even the conservative internet—with an essay for Taki’s Magazine about how he had a talk with his children warning them about the danger of running into black people in public places and the necessity of befriending the few nice ones out there for the public relations benefits. Gawker’s Maureen O’Connor asks, “How can John Derbyshire even have a career?” The reason is because John Derbyshire is very valuable.

Or at least up to now he has been. On Friday, fellow National Review contributor Josh Barro, writing for Forbes, is shocked that Derbyshire hasn’t been fired yet. In the last hour or so, more of his National Reviewcolleagues have been criticizing the piece. Responding to The Atlantic’s Matt O’Brien’s question on Twitter, “Does @NRO want to be associated with someone who publishes racist trash like this?” senior editor Ramesh Ponnuru responded, “I know I don’t.” And Jonah Goldberg, the editor of National Review Online, tweeted, “For the record, I find my colleague John Derbyshire’s piece fundamentally indefensible and offensive. I wish he hadn’t written it.”

But that has not been the case with Derbyshire’s body of work up to now. And we have a theory why: The truth about intellectual magazines is that not all of their readers are as enlightened and forward-thinking and clear-eyed as the people who produce them imagine themselves to be. So the trick to pull off is how to give what those less enlightened readers want—and thereby secure their money either through subscriptions orcontributions—while still maintaining an air of respectability. Think of how your PBS station always trots out the stars-of-the01970s concerts and River Dance whenever pledge drive comes around. That’s where Derbyshire comes in.

You’re probably familiar with the phrase, “No offense, but…” which always precedes something offensive wrapped in an “I’m just telling it like it is” attitude. In certain parts of the country, there’s a similar use of the phrase, “I’m not racist, but…” which always signifies that the speaker is about to say something racist. Derbyshire’s specialty is the fancy-pants version of “I’m not racist, but…” In his latest essay, ”The Talk: Nonblack Version,” Derbyshire lists several key “fact”s that he thinks his kid should know. Among them:

 (9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.


Editor’s note: Mr. Derbyshire now has no job but still has a wife and two children. In the last day or so a “contribute” button has appeared on his personal home page. We think we know why. Please be generous.

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  • anarchyst

    common sense advice . . .

  • OldAtlantic

    If National Review fires Derbyshire, we should tie that to their support of war for Israel against Iran.  NR sends White Christian young men to have their legs blown off for Israel.  What has NR done for the men whose legs were blown off by IEDs in their wars?  Do they raise money for them?  Has NR helped one of these men with legs blown off get a job?  Ever met with them?

    How often does Ramesh Ponnoru meet with the families of men whose legs were blown off by IEDs in his wars? Ramesh Ponnoru should go.  I would like to see NR post on its website how many times each staff member has met with a family of a soldier whose legs were blown off by IEDs.

    • shawnmer

      Oh, way to compare apples and Spam.  You want to criticize NRO for its foreign policy stance, do it.  But don’t make silly, strained connections that aren’t there. 

      This is lack of testicles on NRO’s part, it’s got not a damn thing to do with Israel. 

      • OldAtlantic

         Blacks attack Whites.  Issue: Safety for Whites.   Soldiers have their legs blown off by IEDs.  Issue: Safety for Whites.    Defending Israel from Iran.  Issue: Safety for Jews.  NR says Safety for Jews means no Safety for Whites. 

        NR says we can’t have Derbyshire tell his children to be safe for blacks because that makes Jews in America feel unsafe. 

        NR says we have to send White Christians to have their legs blown off by IEDs because that makes Jews in Israel feel safe.

        NR says safety for Jews in America from Whites comes before safety for Whites in America from blacks.  NR says safety for Jews in Israel comes before safety for White soldiers in America from IEDs.

  • Wayne Lo

    Derbyshire is a rank hypocrite. An immigrant himself, he attacks other immigrants. A sneaky white nationalist, he goes and marries a chinese and has mixed race children.

    Can you imagine a female writer of such an article eliciting sympathy from Amren regulars if she was married to a —-black man?

    Of course not.

    This is the hypocrisy that permeates this movement —mixed race relations are OK only so long as they are only between white males and asian females. White females with black males would of course be cast into the fiery furnace.

    • BernieGoetzFan

      Actually, he does not consider himself a white nationalist of any sort. Derbyshire simply speaks the truth on race. And when has he “attacked” an immigrant?

    • haroldcrews

      At most Derbyshire would be a race realist.  He is not a white nationalist that I know.  He’s an empiricist with a background in mathematics.

    • StivD

      My god, I have to agree with you…

    • radical7

      He is indeed a hypocrite. I know another White man who is married to a Hispanic woman, yet he has problems with Black men dating and marrying White women. You see this same hypocrisy on this board from a number of posters.

    • radical7

      You speak the truth. The hypocrisy on this board is astounding.

    • A crypto white nationalist, he goes and marries a chinese and has mixed race children. Can you imagine a female writer of such an article eliciting sympathy from Amren regulars if she was married to a —-black man

      Exhibit A as to why white nationalism is a dead-end. And yes, this regular can imagine sympathy for said woman. People can’t marry as they wish? Count me out, but have fun with your little club.
      The man never described himself as a “white nationalist”, by the way. “Crypto” is appropriately radical language for such “with us or against us” sentiment–but applying it to someone who’s just sacrificed his career and public standing to be clear about race–well there’s just no pleasing the zealot, is there?

  • holyflower

    In a brilliant presentation at the 2011 American Renaissance Conference entitled “CLOSING GAPS: Education Reform Since the 1950s,” Professor Raymond Wolters of the University of Delaware devoted about one fourth of his address to John Derbyshire’s appearance at the University of Pennsylvania Law School in 2010. I’ve  excerpted that portion of Wolter’s talk below:

    There the Black Students Law Association assembled four members for a panel to discuss the question, ‘Should government play a role in eliminating racial disparities in education?’ Derbyshire initially declined the invitation, saying, “Perhaps, given my views — which I sketched for them clearly — I might not be a good fit for this panel. But Derbyshire eventually accepted after the black students persisted with the invitation. Derbyshire began by saying that he thought the question before the panel was based on a false premise. He did not think racial disparities could be eliminated and therefore a discussion about whether the government should play a greater or lesser role in eliminating them was beside the point.

    Derbyshire offered both rational and empirical grounds for believing that there were natural, intractable differences between the human races. His rational argument could be called Biology 101:

    “If a species is divided into separate populations and these populations are left in reproductive isolation from each other for many generations, they will diverge. If you return after several hundred generations have passed, you will observe that the various traits that characterize individuals of the species are now distributed at different frequencies in the various populations. After a few thousand generations, the divergence of populations will be so great that they can no longer cross-breed and there you have the origins of a new species.”

    Derbyshire proceeded to say that:

    “Mankind separated into two parts, fifty, sixty, seventy years ago, depending on paleo-anthropologist you ask. One part remained in Africa — the ancestral homeland. The other crossed into Southwest Asia and then split and re-split and re-split until there were human populations living in near total reproductive isolation from each other in all parts of the world. This went on for hundreds of generations, causing the differences we see today. Different physical types as well as differences in behavior, intelligence and personality are exactly what one would expect to observe when scrutinizing these divergent populations.”

    …Derbyshire noted that over the course of seven Olympic Games, every one of the finalists in the 100 meters dash was of West African ancestry, 56 out of 56 finalists. Such an outcome was highly improbable if race was only skin deep. Derbyshire also noted that there was a huge academic literature on the gaps on gaps in IQ tests.In concluding Derbyshire noted that racial disparities are statistical averages. He acknowledged that within each population, there is much variation. Each race contained individuals who exceeded the group means. Given the differences between black and white averages on intelligence tests, however, one could predict that only 15 percent of the African-American population would score higher on cognitive tests than the average white test-taker.
    In concluding Derbyshire noted that racial disparities are statistical averages. He acknowledged that within each population, there is much variation. Each race contained individuals who exceeded the group means. Given the differences between black and white averages on intelligence tests, however, one could predict that only 15 percent of the African-American population would score higher on cognitive tests than the average white test-taker.

    [If Derbyshire had the time] he could have mentioned other substantial bodies of scholarship that showed a correlation between general intelligence and job performance. Personnel psychologists used to write extensively on this subject. The U. S. armed forces have done many studies that yield similar returns. At my university, the University of Delaware, my colleague Linda Gottfredson has poured over statistics and has reached the conclusion that an IQ of at least 75 is needed to master the subjects taught in elementary school. High school students with an IQ below 105 are not likely to pass all the courses in a college prep curriculum, and that those with an IQ below 115 are not likely to succeed in graduate school.

    Linda has also run the numbers and they indicate that the average IQ of high level executives and medical doctors is about 125 and that few people in these professions are found below IQ 115. For high school teachers the minimum IQ is about 108.

    Had Derbyshire been allotted still more time, he might have mentioned more recent research connecting genetic developments with cultural development. The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution, anthropologists Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending have shown that people whose ancestors had a long experience living in agricultural communities eventually developed immunities to the diseases of domesticated livestock and were also likely to have genes that fostered lactose tolerance . . .

    Cochran and Harpending then speculated that as compared with populations with a long history of hunting and gathering, groups with a long history of herding and agriculture also had been endowed by nature with genes that fostered steady work, a future orientation and social order.Many of the 140 law students who heard Derbyshire were baffled and perplexed. They had never heard anything like that before, one of their professors said. But there were no confrontations. After his remarks, Derbyshire recalled, “People were pretty friendly, or just ignored in a way not, so far as I could tell, meant to be offensive.”
    Many of the 140 law students who heard Derbyshire were baffled and perplexed. They had never heard anything like that before, one of their professors said. But there were no confrontations. After his remarks, Derbyshire recalled, “People were pretty friendly, or just ignored in a way not, so far as I could tell, meant to be offensive.”

    Derbyshire advised others who might be invited to a similar venue, “Just be frank, honest and polite. Nobody will set you on fire.”

    One observer noted that the black students deserve some credit. Derbyshire explained his views to them in advance and they invited him anyway. As news of the panel discussion spread, Derbyshire acquired admirers. “The ‘Derb’ is my new hero,” wrote one tenured college professor, who had previously kept a low profile because he thought it “not worth the hassle of arguing with ideologues . . .”

    “Wow,” wrote another correspondent. “Kudos to John Derbyshire for delivering a very difficult speech to that particular audience and for your very brave effort to speak the truth about human biodiversity. Now let’s hope that others gain a spine.”

    Significantly . . . despite expressing his race realist views so candidly, Derbyshire was not ousted from his position at National Review . . . and since that meeting at the Pennsylvania Law School, Derbyshire has been even more outspoken.

    As Derbyshire saw it, a gulf separates most evolutionary theorists and genomic scientists from the mainstream media and most public leaders. The evolutionists and genomic scientists believe in the biological reality of race and also think that racial and ethnic achievement gaps cannot be eliminated because these gaps are inevitable products of evolutionary adaptations. Among public leaders and mainstream journalists, on the other hand, there is a peculiar, almost religious hostility to any discussion of homo sapiens as belonging to the natural world subject to the laws thereof. When it came to eliminating the achievement gaps, most mainstream liberals — and most mainstream conservatives — refused to entertain the possibility of impossibility.

    Eventually, Derbyshire concluded that deference to what might be called ‘racial correctness’ threatened the primacy of the United States in world affairs. In commenting on the looming competition between the United States and China, Derbyshire conceded that each nation has strengths and weaknesses, but he recalled that in the past, predominance had gone to the countries that came up with major breakthroughs. In the early decades of the 20th century, the United States was indebted to the likes of Thomas Edison, Henry Ford. More recently, the United States was indebted to the scientists and entrepreneurs that pioneered and developed transistors, computers and the Internet. In the future Derbyshire predicted that supremacy would go to the nation that made the next major breakthrough. As Derbyshire saw it, during the next quarter century, the most likely field for a major breakthrough was human genomics. The first sequencing of the human genome was completed around 2003, but the sequencing only gets us into the situation of the proverbial bear who went over the mountain to find himself confronted with another mountain.

    American researchers had been pioneers in the study of the genome. Nevertheless, although research on genomics continued to yield information on many matters besides diseases and medical treatments, racial correctness was suppressing the funding of this research in the United States. It was doing so, Derbyshire said, for fear that the research would establish the importance of racial differences. The Chinese, however, have no such scruples. They were vastly increasing research on the genome, and they had, in fact, allocated some 1.5 billion dollars for this work.

    The American scientists may have been the first bear over the first mountain, but the Chinese were determined to go over the next mountain. One project that the Beijing Genomics Institute was studying [was] the genetic basis for IQs inheritability. According to Derbyshire, the Chinese uninhibited interest in the human genome made it likely that China would own the coming age’s next killer technology.

    Well, time will tell if Derbyshire’s prediction is correct.
    But at this stage, one thing can be said with assurance. After his talk at the University of Pennsylvania, Derbyshire did not back down [unlike other notables Wolters mentioned earlier in his 2011 AmRen presentation]. He did not recant. But at this stage, one thing can be said with assurance. After his talk at the University of Pennsylvania, Derbyshire did not back down [unlike other notables Wolters mentioned earlier in his 2011 AmRen presentation]. He did not recant.

    • Wayne Lo

      Incredible —the new hero of ‘white nationalists’ — a white man married to a Chinese women with two mixed race children!

    • WmarkW

       The National Assessment of Educational Progress last year, determined that the least scientifically proficient elementary school students were African-American, and that the least proficient whites (defined to exclude Hispanics) were those in the southeast.  It’s my view, that scientific research, literacy and education has suffered from the fact that these two demographics define the two ends of our political spectrum.  

      Derbyshire is right that liberals in America are afraid that genomic research will confirm their worst fears about HBD.  And (religious) conservatives fear it will empower informed abortion decisions.   Science is OUR friend.  We can’t support Republican wars on it in areas like evolution, HPV vaccines and man-made climate change. 

      • haroldcrews

        Considering the academic achievements of Christian home-schoolers I suspect your idea that religion holds whites in the South back academically is false.  The more likely culprit is the large presence of blacks in the same schools as whites.  If politics forbids that blacks can’t be left behind in large numbers then white education is going to suffer.  Whites and blacks are unevenly yoked in education and it slows whites down.

  • guest 14

    Even though Derbyshire has married an Asian woman, don’t be so quick to dismiss him. He is still a friend to our movement and is will to speak frankly on issues of race. Additionally, white nationalists are not against immigration as another posted suggested. We are against third world immigration and so is Derbyshire.

    • The_Bobster

      Which is why he immigrated a third worlder into his own bed?

      • ed91

         Asians are 3rd world in your squirrelly little head?

  • I love how, every time a black takes on the burden of representing an entire race on their shoulders and speaks with the media–especially a pious mother of 3-8 children with no relationship with their fathers and living on the dole–they always speak about “the talk” that they had to have with their brood about venturing to white neighborhoods.

    Heck, we heard it this week with the latest claims of ‘raayccism’ in Atlanta, where their PD dared to pull over blackpoitatrash filmmaker Tyler Perry for making an illegal turn.

    But it’s okay for blacks to have “the talk” because big bad whitey and the legacy of slavery.

    When will white people wake up?

  • BernieGoetzFan

    Wow – almost 1,000 comments on the article at TakiMag.

    Looks like Derbyshire’s days at NR are numbered. But Rich “Al Sharpton Is Right” Lowry will still have a job.

  • Public Relations benefits? Oh to hell with that. Did he also tell them to have sex with asians for good PR?

    What an absolute bum that guy is.

    He is the definition of gatekeeper/controlled opposition/manufactured dissent.

    He’s as racist as the powers-that-be will let you listen to and not kick you out of the cocktail party.

  • “Can you imagine a female writer of such an article eliciting sympathy from Amren regulars if she was married to a —-black man?

    Of course not.

    This is the hypocrisy that permeates this movement —mixed race relations are OK only so long as they are only between white males and asian females.”

    There are comrades and there are allies. For many reasons, reasons which you’ve stated, Derb is no comrade. He is; however, a prominent and incredibly gifted ally who has done a tremendous amount of work to introduce our ideas to a wider audience. He has went up to bat for Jared Taylor. He has treated us like humans while everybody else in the conservative movement kicked us like dogs when they concluded it was a smart career move to do so.And, no, actually. I’m not a hypocrite about this. If a White woman married to a Black man spoke as forcefully and effectively in defense of the truth and treated me with respect, she would have my respect in kind. She wouldn’t be “one of us”, obviously, and neither is the Derb. But I certainly wouldn’t harbor visceral contempt for her.

  • Beloved Comrade

    Now that he’s a father with precious children to protect, Derb HAS to speak the truth to them about blacks.  

    (10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

    If Derb continues to speak out like this, he WILL be dodging bullets, real and/or proverbial.

    Meanwhile over at CSULB for speaking the truth about the Zimmerman lynching, the $PLC is on the attack…

    Professor Kevin MacDonald writes,

    “Mark Potok of the SPLC apparently thinks that my comments on the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman affair present an opportunity to at last get me fired from  my position at CSULB (“Anti-Semitic California Prof Now Attacking Black People with Lies“). (Good grief! What a title! Potok could have written headlines for The Daily Worker.) This latest effort is part of a long campaign against me, dating back to 2006…”

    In the past, the $PLC’s vile attack dog Heidi Bierich has flown into CSULB to “see” about having Professor MacDonald fired.

    • haroldcrews

      I wonder how many days it will take for Derbyshire’s website to get hacked?  Will the NBPP put out a bounty on him I wonder.

    • The_Bobster

      Surely there must be a way to send this disgusting creature to prison for serial harassment.

  • “In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make
    friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.”

    Gain an amulet against career-destroying accusations? Lets see how long his National Review gig lasts before we go ferreting out Magical Negros in order to befriend them and gain career-protecting amulets.

    “Consciously seek opportunities to make friends with blacks. It’ll help your career.”


    Ahem, don’t be a coward.

  • IstvanIN

    He may not be a WN, he may have a Chinese wife and kids, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t telling the truth.  Rev. David Manning is black and speaks the unpleasant truth of our times.  Just don’t automatically dismiss a race traitor.

  • His advise is sound, I would give the same advise to any child of mine or an out of country tourist.

  • bluegrass91

    What Liberals will not admit in their “critical-race-theory-white-patriarchy” view of the world, is that Derbyshire’s article is just as applicable a “talk” to the children of any Asian, Hispanic, Armenian, or non-white/non-black parent in America. 

    The amount of cognitive dissonance of liberals towards racial reality is sometimes hard for me to fathom. 

  • KevinPhillipsBong

    Most articles at TakiMag generate about 15-50 comments. The above quoted article has now generated over 1000 comments (as of 11AM Eastern time, April 7th). The liberals are flying overhead like noisy geese and vacating their bowels over the statue of a man I greatly admire.  I encourage every AmRenner to join the fray. I have at least a dozen comments there. Most there simply come to squawk “Racist, racist” and make their shock and outrage known. Some are decent debaters however and could use a thrashing.

  • The_Bobster

    Yes, there is. He said that Whites should go out of their way to associate with “good” blacks, ignoring the fact that the “good” ones might harbor a deep resentment of YT or have relatives or friends who do.

    • MissBonnie123

      Yes, I have found what you said to be true. You could be friendly with a black for a long time and suddenly you say something that the black perceives as racist and he or she goes off the deep end.

      Because I want peaceful relationships and don’t want to worry about saying something benign that would upset a black person, I do my best to have relationships with White people only.

      • OldAtlantic

         Blacks have killed people over very little.  You can never sleep with them around.

    • Whiteyyyyy

      That is where he lost some credibility with me, I know he has to cover his back but the have some token blacks to improve your status bit. THATS 90% of the problem right there, thats the clever thinking that keeps the whole race spoils war going.

  • shawnmer

    Read the full Atlantic Wire article at the link, and I don’t see a single substantive, factual rebuttal to any of Derbyshire’s facts they so dismissively referred to as “facts.”  NOT ONE.

    • haroldcrews

      Racial equality is a dogma in American civil religion.  This religion converts not through reason but through fear.  That is not a characteristic of all religions but it is of the American civic religion.

  • And what did he say that was even slightly wrong?? These are common sense thoughts that everyone agrees on. You’re telling me that RameshPonnurruthinks nothing of going into black areas?? So if his teen aged daughter wanted to go to a C Murder concert,it would engender no more concern than if she wanted to see Taylor Swift?

  • anmpr1

    ” If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.”

    I’d modify this.  Don’t smile but look serious.  Unless you have business with the person (which you don’t since it’s a stranger), say nothing at all.  Keep your hand ready to move to your concealed weapon, and don’t get close enough for the “sucker punch.”  Keep moving, though, is good advice.   

  • Dan_Kurt

    Derbyshire has said during the past year that he has cancer. He is 66 going on 67 and I assume he, although he is an outspoken atheist, is concerned about personal honor and his reputation, especially after his death which will be probably sooner rather than later. Given that why not tell the truth about blacks as few in the media are.

  • BO

    Galileo threatened the corrupt by explaining how the earth revolved around the sun, and was silenced. John Derbyshire threatens the corrupt by explaining human bio-diversity and its practical effects. He’ll probably be fired. Nothing changes except for the nature and identity of the state religion used by the powerful. Well maybe that, and the degree of weaponry possessed by the Citizenry.

    Nice article Derb. Keep them coming.

  • KenelmDigby

    It is interesting to note that ‘Taki’ the owner of Taki’s magazine was beaten and mugged on his own doorstep (in Chelsea, London, England), by a pack of feral blacks.
    In London poor black neighborhoods are situated cheek-by-jowl against districts of wealth and exclusivity, Chelsea is only a  a few hundred yards or so across the Thames from the council estates of Battersea.

  • Being offended pays well.  Good job if you can get it.

  • xxxtonygunsxxx
    • MikeofAges

       The difference is, if the perpetrator is white, the white community en masse will support the maximum penalty without argument, either death, or life in prison in the case of those who oppose the death penalty.

  • Hirschibold

    Perhaps all the naysayers would prefer that Derbyshire (and all whites) raise their children like Dodo birds; teach them that there are not threats out there, that there are no predators or people who resent them.  Derb is right, by the way. If you are white (or Asian) and you are physically surrounded by nothing but blacks, you need to remain hyper vigilant and get out of there as soon as possible.

    Even these good white liberals who live in Manhattan and write for NY periodicals will not go deep into Harlem, past the Apollo, Sylvia’s, and Lenox Avenue.  Not a one of them, the self-righteous hypocrites.

    • ncpride

      I despise those kind of White liberals most of all. I was on another site where this person was talking about how his predominantly White community, with his predominantly White neighbors held a rally demanding justice for Trayvon,(trying to prove how non racist he was, I assume) while at the same time boldly and smugly calling others names who were pointing out the double standard in the reporting of black on White crime, and posting crime stats. Now, you know I couldn’t let that stand, so I called him on his hypocrisy and arrogance. That’s the first time my DISQUS account has ever been moderated, so looks like I hit a nerve. They make me sick.

  • Liddell

    The real test is whether Maureen O’Connor, Josh Barro, Matt O’Brien, and Jonah Goldberg do the exactly the opposite of what John Derbyshire advises. Even without their “full disclosure” we know they don’t.

  • IstvanIN

    White somalian no doubt.

  • shawnmer

    I’m going to memorize that one, sir.  Very pithy and profound.

    I’ve been in countless online debates with liberal race-deniers whose response to the statistics (assuming they don’t accuse you of making them up or that your source is “racist” or tainted) is to argue that if, well, you slice it and dice it this fanciful way and look it from that direction relative to such-and-so, it’s kinda, sorta not as damning as it might seem.  The Time Wise method.  They’ll devote all this energy to rationalizing it rather than accepting it. 

    Sort of like arguing an earth-centered universe with a really smart Catholic in the 16th century.

    • ncpride

      That’s been my experience too. It’s really amazing to watch them twist themselves into knots trying to explain the statistics, and the facts…..That being said though, I’ve seen some very well informed, intelligent race realists and WN tear those liberals to shreds in a debate, and they have never lost one. As soon as they (liberals) realize they have been totally thrashed, they of course resort to childish insults and name calling. It really is amusing to watch.

  • No

    We’re on a sinking ship . . . . 

    One of the ship’s officers is telling us to remain calm, that the water gushing into the hold is being dealt with and that after minor repairs, the ship will be underway.  He asks you to go into the lounge, have a nice relaxing cup of tea and enjoy the piano music.

    Another of the ships’ officers (equal in rank to the first) says we’ve struck an iceberg, the ship is going down and we all need to get to the lifeboats.

    Your choice, white man . . . you can take your family to the lounge or to the lifeboats.

    And having decided . . . does it really matter to you what the other one says?

    In fact, isn’t our current situation in America one of those evolutionary crossroads where he who has healthy respect for danger lives to pass on his genes . . . while the cretin who swallows the party line, dies?

    • ed91

       well said, but to answer your last question:

      maybe, maybe not.

      luck of the draw in some cases.

  • shawnmer

    If anyone’s interested, here is a thread of public, morally preening excommunications of race realists – or anyone defending Derbyshire in any way – from the popular conservative blog RedState.com.

    Hope their moderator enjoys spending that house credit he thinks he’s purchasing from the liberal lynch mob.  I could just give him the change in my cushions, it’s worth about as much.  And my stopwatch is set before he’s called a “racist” again himself.

    When in the hell are these people going to learn you can’t buy any reprieve from the Left on race??


  • The_Bobster
  • The_Bobster

    I wonder if they got the Asian cannibal gene.


  •  Anyone that disagrees with anything Derbyshire said in the article should be forced to watch every single video on the ‘World Star Hip Hop’ monkey shines tube site.

  • “”People who support Marion Barry want us to think the real problem in American race relations is John Derbyshire.””

    •  It’s official.  National Respew is about as dumb as News Weak.  (Deliberate misspelling)

    • anon

      That’s what happens when you first work for someone such as Jonah Goldberg.

      • The_Bobster


        Here are the tweets of Jonah Goldberg, on the subject of the attacks on his NRO colleague, John Derbyshire, in which Derb wrote a column about race for Takimag, and people are calling for him to be fired. The pictures, except for the retweet of Ramesh Ponnuru’s tweet, are of Jonah’s actual dog, Cosmo, who is adorable.

      • jeffaral

        Goldberg means gold mountain.    How appropriate!

      • radical7

        I have actually had the chance to read some of Jonah Goldberg’s columns. He is a very intelligent man.

        • That proves that NR has jumped the shark, if you’re praising one of its regular writers.

        • ed91

           he’s also very elitist

  • “Re-education”. Man that sounds like something from a Soviet, Chinese or Cuban gulag.

  • Did anyone else catch Jared Taylor’s reply to Derbyshire’s article? He supported Derbyshire’s observations, and received not one reply accusing him of being a “racist”.

    • anon

      Wonder why that is?  Others sure got accused of racism…

    •  URL?

    • Perhaps:



      • JJDKII

        I took your advice and checked out the comments at RedState, and now I’m sorry I did. It left me feeling both shocked and depressed, if you can even imagine such a state of mind. The inability to logically dispute Derbyshire’s points was bad enough, and the smarmy but self righteous replies were stomach turning. So many of the comments’ authors made sure their anti-racist credentials were put on record for the blustering bully who owns the site, but they just sounded like sheep to me. They might keep in mind that sheep can be fleeced or slaughtered, but they’re not of much use otherwise.

  • anon

    Look at how NRO is eating it’s own…and just read  those NAMES of the ones doing it. No one should be surprised by this….Quit reading National Review period.

    Or at least up to now he has been. On Friday, fellow National Review contributor Josh Barro, writing for Forbes, is shocked that Derbyshire hasn’t been fired yet. In the last hour or so, more of his National Review colleagues have been criticizing the piece. Responding to The Atlantic’s
    Matt O’Brien’s question on Twitter, “Does @NRO want to be associated
    with someone who publishes racist trash like this?” senior editor Ramesh
    Ponnuru responded, “I know I don’t.” And Jonah Goldberg, the editor of National Review Online, tweeted,
    “For the record, I find my colleague John Derbyshire’s piece
    fundamentally indefensible and offensive. I wish he hadn’t written it.”

    •  OTOH, you’re nobody until somebody from National Respew fires you.  John Derbyshire now joins an elite fraternity that also consists of Joe Sobran and Peter Brimelow.

  • JohnEngelman

    And if Asian scores were added the United States would score even higher. 

  • StivD

    Are you sure that anybody who runs this site is one either?

  • Since when has speaking the truth become “offensive?”

  • The_Bobster


    National Review’s Rich Lowry Fires John Derbyshire
    By Peter Brimelow on April 7, 2012 at 7:11pm

    Rich Lowry has just announced that John Derbyshire has been fired from National Review. John joins, if I may say so, an august company.

    • The_Bobster


      John Derbyshire: An Immigrant Doing Work Americans Are AFRAID To Do
      By Patrick Cleburne on April 7, 2012 at 4:44pm

      John Derbyshire’s eminently reasonable and realistic article at TakiMag: The Talk: Nonblack version April 05, 2012 has made him the target of the new iteration of the MSM Trayvon Martin lynch mob – shamefully egged on by his more contemptible NR colleagues. In 21st Century America, that is the reward for addressing racial issues accurately.

      So far it looks as if holding a remunerative position in “Conservative” journalism mandates denouncing Derbyshire. His defenders muster in the blogosphere. Here I salute those who appear to be currently the most forceful:

      •    Nicholas Stix – As if it’s not bad enough that racial socialism demands the collective glorification of people who have an average IQ of somewhere between 78 and 85, a stratospheric crime quotient, and an even higher hate quotient, it also demands that people with triple-digit IQs talk and write as if they were in the 78-85 range, and that they spread the hate against anyone who dares to state the obvious about race.

      John Derbyshire is a national treasure.

      And Then They Came for John Derbyshire: Racial Socialists Organize High-Tech Lynching Over Trayvon Martin Column, with White “Conservatives” Begging, ‘Please Let Us Join in the Fun! Nicholas Stix Uncensored Saturday April 07, 2012

      •    Larry Auster – At 9:08 p.m. Friday evening, NR’s non-entity editor, Rich Lowry, wrote at the Corner:

      Needless to say, no one at National Review shares Derb’s appalling view of what parents supposedly should tell their kids about blacks in this instantly notorious piece here.
      That is very interesting…If Lowry had young teenaged children, and the offspring announced to Dad that they were planning to attend an all black entertainment event or go to an amusement park or beach that had a high concentration of young blacks, would Dad, properly rejecting Derbyshire’s “appalling” advice to parents, say, “Sure, kids, go ahead, have fun”?


      •    Paul Kersey – Personally, I believe that a lot of people in America are experiencing severe levels of “Negro Fatigue” right now. And Disingenuous White Liberals (DWLs) sense this.

      The question is simply this: How much longer can America stay competitive when every decade or so a city must be abandoned to the Black Undertow? Detroit is not an anomaly. There are hundreds of once-thriving cities that are now majority Black and completely reliant on federal loans, federal grants, and tax-payer assistance to survive.

      Call it the greatest example of tribute in the history of the world. It’s akin to the European powers paying off the Barbary Pirates…

      This is the essence of BRA; all of America’s problems stem from not being able to discuss race in a rational manner.

      Those on the so-called respectable “right” (conservatives) and on the “left” are in total agreement about our fealty and subservience – deference perhaps – to Black people.
      There can be no deviation from this script. As America fails, we have basically enshrined in law that discussing problems arising from the Black community is not be tolerated.

      John Derbyshire’s sensible column has generated a massive response — most shameful is the reaction for his former colleagues at National Review — that illustrates why have a dialogue on race is impossible in Black-Run America (BRA).

  • JohnEngelman

    Thomas Edsall and Charles Murray have written at some length about black social pathology. They are able to get articles published in many prestigious journals and newspapers, including liberal ones like The New Republic, The Washington Post, and The New York Times. 
    What matters is how it is said. The line is not clearly drawn, but John Derbyshire seems to have crossed it. 

  • shawnmer

    No, he very likely CANNOT comprehend it.  Mountains of statistics are all somehow flawed, irrelevant or to otherwise be rationalized. 

    But an anecdote of a guilty white?  Well, what else is left to say?? 

    And if the killer is indeed white, and is labeled a “serial killer,” that is in keeping with the statistics, not anomaly from them.  Whites have much lower murder rates but are much more likely to be serial killers. 

    • Pandemonium

      “Whites have much lower murder rates but are much more likely to be serial killers.”

      Can you give citations for that statement? 

      I know that it is used frequently by the lame-stream media, but I don’t think it can be verified by empirical evidence.

  • JohnEngelman

    The fact that the National Review fired him is certainly alarming. Most of what passes for ‘conservatism” in the United States is little more than the defense of the economic interests of the well to do. Those people live in safe neighborhoods, and do not need to heed John Derbyshire’s advice. 

    • JJDKII

      I’m dating myself, but I remember when National Review was virtually required reading for conservatives. But I also have vivid memories of my 21st birthday and the first vote I cast in a presidential election: George Mc Govern (don’t rub it in, When he was my age, Jared Taylor was also a liberal).

  • The senior editor is an Indian who “doesn’t want to be associated with Derbyshire.”

    A Jew who conflates liberalism with an anti-leftist movement, fascism, says he wished John hadn’t have written that blacks are dangerous.

    Wow. National Review is supposed to be a conservative magazine?

    They should have 2 White guys, Pete and Doug, saying that John didn’t go far enough and that people shouldn’t befriend blacks.


    YT = Whitey.

  • ed91

     your the one that brought it up dumbass!

  • ed91

     hell, I had that talk 30 yrs ago when the first son was 10………  he already knew most of it.

  •  Helping his career? All the amulets in the world and all the Chinese kids in the world didn’t save him. Homey got fired, shorty.

    Hold off on rushing out to get those amulets!

  • JohnEngelman

    I am confident that Elspeth Reeve has never been a victim of black criminals. Elspeth Reeve illustrates what George Orwell meant by “money sheltered ignorance.” 
    Elspeth Reeve

  • Pandemonium

    Or controlled opposition. After all, since the Sanford thing is unravelling, something must be done.

  •  I think the explanation is that (without naming names) some people think that any American involvement in the Middle East automatically has something to do with Israel.  I’d be happy to oppose Americans fighting for Israel, but I can’t find an example.

    We’re in Afghanistan because the Afghani Taliban gave Al Qaeda a safe haven to plan 9/11.   That said, we shouldn’t be occupying Afghanistan, because it’s an impossible tar pit that has been the graveyard of empires.  Any action against Afghanistan should be/should have been from the air.  Israel is irrelevant here.

    We’re in Iraq the second time because we were in Iraq the first time, the commonality being the surname Bush.  We were in Iraq the first time because of oil, and we were in Iraq the second time because of oil and because Bush II wanted to finish the job he thought his father should have done.  Again, I don’t think we should have been in Iraq at all, either bombing or occupation, either time.  But again, Israel was/is irrelevant in both instances.

  • The_Bobster

    We fought their last couple of wars and it looks like we’re gearing up to fight their next one.

    Just ask yourself this question: Who benefitted? We certainly didn’t.

  • The_Bobster

    Once you get away from the coast, China is very third world.

  • The_Bobster

    They should, because it’s a media lie.


    The media keeps perpetrating the myth that “most serial killers are white.” This mantra is meant to offset the glaring fact that black people are 9 times more likely to commit murder than white people in general.

    Remember black people only account for 13% of the US population but commit 59% of all felony murders and non-felony manslaughters in the country between 1976-2005.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Let’s not opine until we know the facts.

    Yes, like the mainstream media do.

    Zimmerman was immediately called “White” by the national media, tried and lynched within hours.  Same thing with the Duke boys.

    The case you refer to above has already been tried by the media as well.  I kept hearing yesterday, all day about a “WHITE MAN in a white truck” who did this — yes, emphasis on WHITE MAN!!  There was blanket coverage here on the Left Coast — but still no mention of the elderly couple slain by blacks, the White child set afire by blacks, or any other black-on-White murder for that matter.

    The case where the Iraqi woman was murdered in California, same thing.  Wall-toWall coverage — ALL I heard on the local news 24/7 was about the note left at the scene “GO Back To Iraq you Terrorist!!”  (obviously this was planted and the media KNEW IT, the cops certainly did)  — yet this was repeated endlessly implying an “innocent immigrant seeking a better life for herself and her family in America” (also stated blatantly)  was slain by an evil White racist/bigot/extremist/hater.

    Only days later was it revealed that the note was planted and that her own family did this to her, which I believe the media knew all along.  The story is dead now.

    But, never let a crises go to waste — as in ANY opportunity to bash and debase Whites.

    The American media is a mortal enemy to Whites, they are pro-White genocide.


    • Space4jan

      All these examples need to be documented and published together in a booklet. I am hoping to do something similar re Britain next year, but the USA have some really “good” cases.

  • OldAtlantic

     The nature of your reply is closer to a lie.

  • joewest666

    There was a time when you were new in town and you could stop and ask a police officer where the “unsavory parts of town were”  This is known as self preservation.

    I doubt you could even illicit a response out of a cop with that question now, in the age of gotcha youtube and whammy journalism.

    Sad actually.

  • jeffaral

    The problem is that poor Whites can’t stay away from blacks.    Over here in Europe the Catholic church agencies are hellbent sending african refugees and more black missionaries from it’s biggest seminary in Nigeria.  If we oppose they call us racist and anti-christian.   We don’t even need a communist government to oppress us, we have already the churches.

  • shawnmer

    I’m welcome to be wrong on that, but I’d like to see that link.  It was my understanding even Jared Taylor made the white serial killer argument in support of racial profiling.  When the police are working a serial killer case, one of the chief assumptions they begin with is that it’s a white male in his 30s or 40s. 

  • radical7

    Finnland wrote:

    “White women marrying black women is often a recipe for personal and societal disaster, whether you believe in white nationalism or not. ”

    Sounds like racism and homophobia to me.

  • radical7

    This means that 78% of serial killers are White. Secondly, your argument is total nonsense.

  • radical7

    Not necessarily true.

  • radical7

    Thank goodness for common sense. So many posters on this website feel that it is okay, even acceptable for Whites to insult, degrade, mistreat and even attack Blacks and other non-Whites without having any conscience. Yet, scream at the slightest incidence of any attack on Whites by non-Whites.

    This is totally unacceptable.  

  • jackryanvb

    Very revealing that this all happened on “good Friday” – that’s the day certain people/forces crusified Jesus Christ. 

    Looks like the Neo Cons at National Review decided to crucify John Derbyshire for saying things that challenged the orthodox rulers of our day.

  • JohnEngelman

    What conservative magazine/s do you like? 

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    In the local paper this morning, the two were again referred to as WHITE MEN, and on the news as well, about 1/2 hour ago here in California — TWO WHITE MEN.

    Not ONE mention of a Cherokee Indian!!

    The media are going to milk this for as long as they can!!!

    Now you know why I keep writing that the media are a mortal enemy of Whites.


    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      AGAIN, Tuesday, 8:45 AM, PST, Caifornia, just heard “Two White Men” in Oklahoma…

  • Wayne Lo

    Can you substantiate your claim of a smaller standard deviation for Asian IQ?

    Like some links?

  • eunometic

    I frequently conduct business with Chinese professionals. They are kind and reliable. It’s a pity that with so much excessive immigration and colonisation of White homelands from other less respectable races that we are unable to tolerate or enjoy a small number of members living and even marrying amongst us.

    I am at the point where I actively seek the company of other whites while avoiding non whites because there are so msny of them and so few of us.

    I might add that many Chinese find some of the “diversity” we have in the west quite upsetting and ugly. They generally don’t seem too comfortable around Muslims.