Ferguson, Watts and a Dream Deferred

Thomas B. Edsall, New York Times, August 20, 2014

When rioting broke out in the Watts section of Los Angeles in the summer of 1965, African-Americans didn’t–couldn’t–know it yet, but the next three decades would turn out to be a period of sustained gains in terms of income, jobs, education and the status of blacks relative to whites.

The rioting this past week in Ferguson, Mo., by contrast, follows more than a decade of economic stagnation and worse for many black Americans, a trend that appears unlikely to be reversed in the foreseeable future.

The Watts riots–set off by the traffic arrest of a 21-year-old black driver by a white police officer–left 34 dead, 1,032 people injured, and 600 buildings damaged or destroyed.

The week of violence in L.A. began just five days after President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and 13 months after he had signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964–the impact of which had not yet been felt in the daily lives of African-Americans.

During the decades following this landmark legislation, African-Americans made immense progress. The percentage of blacks over the age 25 with a high school degree more than tripled, going from just under 20 percent, or less than half the white rate, to more than 70 percent, nearly matching the white rate. The percentage of blacks over 25 with a college degree quadrupled from 3 to 12 percent over the same period.

Similarly, black median household income grew, in inflation-adjusted dollars, from $22,974 in 1967 to $30,439 in 2000, a 32.5 percent increase, more than double the 14.2 percent increase for whites. Although black household income remained well below white levels in 2000–66.3 percent of the white median–it was significantly better than it had been in 1967, when it was 57.1 percent of white median income.

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While the economic downturns of the last decade-and-a-half have taken their toll on the median income of all races and ethnic groups, blacks have been the hardest hit. By 2012, black median household income had fallen to 58.4 percent of white income, almost back to where it was in 1967–7.9 points below its level in 1999. {snip}

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From 1965 to 2000, the poverty rate among blacks fell from 41.8 percent to 22.5 percent. Since then, it has risen to 27.2 percent. The white poverty rate also rose during this period, but by a more modest 3.2 points.

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A 2007 pre-recession Brookings Institution study by Julia Isaacs, “Economic Mobility of Black and White Families,” found that “a majority of blacks born to middle-income parents grow up to have less income than their parents. Only 31 percent of black children born to parents in the middle of the income distribution have family income greater than their parents, compared to 68 percent of white children from the same income bracket.”

White children, Isaacs reports, “are more likely to move up the ladder while black children are more likely to fall down.” Thirty-seven percent of white children born to families in the middle quintile of the income distribution move up to the top two quintiles, compared with only 17 percent of black children. Forty-five percent of black children from solidly middle class families “end up falling to the bottom of the income distribution, compared with only 16 percent of white children,” Isaacs found.

A more recent April 2014 study of black and white mobility by Bhashkar Mazumder, a senior economist at the Chicago Federal Reserve, showed similar results. That report is even more explicitly pessimistic.

The Chicago Fed study found that among black children born between the late 1950s and the early 1980s into families in the bottom fifth of the income distribution, half remained there as adults, compared with 26 percent of whites born in the bottom quintile.

Of black children born to families in the top half of the income distribution, 60 percent fell into the bottom half as working age adults, compared with 36 percent of similarly situated whites.

Mazumder concluded that if future generations of white and black Americans continued to experience the same rates of intergenerational mobility, “we should expect to see that blacks on average would not make any relative progress.” He noted that this recent time period stood “in direct contrast to other epochs in which blacks have made steady progress reducing racial differentials.”

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Competing explanations for the difficulties that continue to plague African-Americans are a central element in the contemporary polarization between left and right; in fact, they help define it.

Liberals and conservatives disagree vehemently over the role of such factors as the decline of manufacturing jobs, the rise of single parenthood, racial discrimination, the poor quality of public schools, residential segregation, high incarceration rates, test score differentials, parental investment, crime rates, welfare incentives, the lack of engaged fathers–the list goes on.

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The urban riots of the second half of the 1960s prompted Washington to pump out money, legislation, judicial decisions and regulatory change to outlaw de jure discrimination, to bring African-Americans to the ballot box, to create jobs and to vastly expand the scope of anti-poverty programs.

Civil unrest also drew attention to the necessity of addressing police brutality.

Today, however, political and policy-making stasis driven by gridlock–despite a momentary concordance between left and right on this particular shooting–ensures that we will undertake no comparable initiatives to reverse or even stem the trends that have put black Americans at an increasing disadvantage in relation to whites–a situation that plays no small part in fueling the rage currently on display in Ferguson.

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  • http://www.amren.com/ Berserker

    Mike Brown peaked out @ 18.
    Crooked hat, baggy trousers, assault, robbery, aspiring rapper, dope habit, . . .
    It’s what thinking people (profilers) expected for a bantu with an IQ ≈ 70.

    • journey

      Probably peaked out the minute he was born.

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      • bilderbuster

        The second he was conceived.

    • A Freespeechzone

      But, but…but, he was going to start college……..

      • Nonhumans

        Fewchuh Syentisss….

      • Alexandra1973

        If he hadn’t bum-rushed the cop, he likely would have been in college, all right….

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    Thomas Edsall wouldn’t write any of this nor would he believe the underlying assumptions if he just learned a certain eight-letter word I’m not even sure you can say here. What happened in Ferguson over the last week and a half can be described as a Category 3 gradation of that word.

    • Alexandra1973

      Rhymes with pimp-out? :)

      Are we allowed to say “bongo party” here? Because that’s how I’d describe Ferguson, MO right now.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        You should have seen the live stream on the FerGaza Strip one week ago tonight, the first night after Governor Useless handed law enforcement control over to Captain Rastus.

        The best one is this one, but the impresario is some obnoxious left winger.

        http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930

        • Alexandra1973

          Yeah, during the daytime it’s probably quieter because they’re sleeping off the 40s.

          They’re like vampires…creatures of the night, leeching off people….

        • NoMosqueHere

          Ferguson and Gaza are similar in some ways. The media takes the the acts of the white cop and Israel out of context and never really explain what caused them to respond as they did.

          • John R

            Liberalism. The more a person, or a group, resembles the traditional American Majority, the more liberals feel the need to side against that person or group.

          • Valmont

            Next up on CNN —
            Ferguson: What Would Netanyahu Do?

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            Whatever he’s doing to the invented people, we should have been doing to the black undertow, maybe with a few slight adjustments.

            There were pro-ISIS signs and Palestinian flags being flown in the Ferguson festivities on prior nights.

          • http://www.antenna.com Wholly Unconvinced

            Lol, you’re really trying to claim that the Jew owned media is trying to scapegoat Jews in Israel to make the Palestinians look good?

            You’re more ridiculous than I thought. I’m going to assume those four upvotes of yours were from four people who just skimmed over your comment without realizing you were saying “poor little oppressed Israel”

          • adplatt126

            Except with Israel, the press is basically silent as Israel slaughters, terrorizes and brutalizes the Palestinians, with a rational, albeit questionably moral show of overwhelming force. One white guy points his gun at a nignog, he’s lost his job, and the media is ready to lynch him for being a racist Nazi. Yeah, exactly the same.

      • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

        Can we say ‘pavement party’?

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        Anything I would say would be hateful, spiteful and get me moderated.

    • journey

      Is it a six letter word?

    • Oil Can Harry

      Don’t WIMP OUT.

      Or PIMP OUT.

      Just write the words CH— —.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Berserker

        I used the CH word yesterday, but it was edited to read violence.

    • http://www.antenna.com Wholly Unconvinced

      Hahaha, I legitimately love the fact that I didn’t even have to try to figure out what word you were referring to, as it was the first word, the most fitting word, to describe what’s going on in ferguson.

      I think the website of the same name was actually my first exposure to “race realism” and it was something of a shotgun blast to the face. Despite living around them, and seeing them at their worst, I still wasn’t letting myself actually SEE what they were, EVERYWHERE they were. I was still fooled by the token blacks in the workplace who were relatively competent. And used that 1-2% to excuse all the rest everywhere else.

    • TheAntidote

      I believe it’s also called a bongo party.

  • MekongDelta69

    Oh look – The New York Slimes just had to weigh in too. Of course.

    “The week of violence in L.A. began just five days after President Traitor Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Voting Rights (except for Whites) Act of 1965, and 13 months after he had signed the Civil Rights (except for Whites) Act of 1964.”

    [Not to mention the Immigration (except for Whites) Act for illegal aliens.]

    • journey

      Those were awful turning points for this country. Johnson was trying to outdo the Kennedys.

      • Paleoconn

        This country would have been much better had JFK not been killed. Johnson was the worst president ever, and Ted aka DUI Kennedy came up with the disastrous 1965 Immigration Act that he assured us would not change the country’s makeup one iots. Lying, murdering bastard! Long may he rot

        • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

          The Great Society was just a new name that Lyndon Johnson gave to JFK’s “The New Frontier.” JFK could have never gotten much of TNF passed, because he did not have LBJ’s political skill.

          • Paleoconn

            You may be right. However i don’t know that JFK wasn’t just electioneering, and really not that obsessed with pleasing blacks. Johnson on the other hand seemed fanatical in his bogus war on poverty. It’s possible he thought he was God…or FDR.

          • journey

            But Robert Kennedy was obsessed about the blacks and their poverty.

          • journey

            What if, just if, we had another Eisenhower during those critical time periods? Any opinions?

          • Adolf Verloc

            I think that Eisenhower was one of our most underrated presidents, especially in foreign policy.

          • journey

            And domestic affairs. He sure took care of the Hispanic problem.
            And it was under him, the workers from Mexico was able to come in an orderly manner. The main problem for the Mexicans was their own government was so corrupt they kept some of their wages that our government had given to their government to ensure the Mexicans would return back to their own country.

            And Eisenhower had military and international experience. Could never figure out how one could be Commander in Chief without any military experience. Or how a community organizer landed in the WH!

          • Brian

            Coolidge also deserves more credit.

          • bilderbuster

            Eisenhower was Stalin’s “General in the West” during and after the war and integrated American schools Stalin style at the point of a bayonet.

          • journey

            Eisenhower had no choice because of the May 17, 1954 U.S. Supreme Court ruling of Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education.

            Do not know what you mean by “Eisenhower was Stalin’s “General in the West”.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            The Supreme Court told Andrew Jackson he couldn’t relocate Indians, either.

          • journey

            Different times. Plus do not forget, this country’s image was that we were a democratic nation in comparison to communism.

            As for Indians during Jackson’s period, it was okay to kill them because we wanted the land. And this country was at war with the Indians.

          • Paleoconn

            I agree, Eisenhower was no conservative. The tax rates at the time were ridiculous let alone sending the 101st Airborne to integrate the schools in Little Rock.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            OTOH, Operation Wetback.

          • Paleoconn

            So true. But the more I think about it, the more I realize something like that back then was hardly a courageous move. It would not surprise me one bit if I learned that upwards of 85% of the population supported it. Also, the media and academic elites would not have been pro-immigration to the extent they are now.

            But still, credit where credit is due. An act doesn’t need to be courageous or against long odds for it to be commendable.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            One of the Senators who was massively and mightily opposed to Operation Wetback, who tried to move parliamentary heaven and Earth to stop it? Even though he uncharacteristically failed in a political effort, he would get his revenge on that front in the next decade.

            Lyndon Johnson.

          • Paleoconn

            There is a special circle in hell for LBJ

        • bilderbuster

          Bobby Kennedy was the AG when he said that Black people “Had to keep lights on the feet of children at night, to keep them from being gnawed by rats.”
          Even today you can still see all of the now grown up Blacks who had their feet gnawed off by rats as children hobbling around Ferguson and Watts

  • Alexandra1973

    I’m “low-income” and I don’t partake in riots. Oh yeah, I’m White.

    • journey

      You were born with self respect.

    • Dave West

      You probably have a job too, many of these protesting blacks work part-time at best.

      • Alexandra1973

        Actually, I don’t. My husband left (praying for reconciliation here) and we get by on child support and SSI, since my son is on the autism spectrum.

        I wouldn’t mind getting a job but I live in an area where jobs aren’t that plentiful, plus there’s an issue of who would watch my son.

        Still, if I get bored, I just surf the Internet or play computer games. I know how to knit and crochet, so I can make him some sweaters. There’s a couple with a large family at church, and I can make sweaters or something for the kids too. I have plenty of yarn!

        I’m no party animal and I don’t have revolving-door boyfriends (like I said, wanting reconciliation). Rioting’s not on my to-do list. :)

        • captainc

          God bless you, although you know we don’t have the same version of God.

        • bilderbuster

          How in the world do you then find the time to oppress Blacks?

        • 4321realist

          “I wouldn’t mind getting a job but I live in an area where jobs aren’t that plentiful, plus there’s an issue of who would watch my son.”

          In my opinion, Alexandra, I think personally caring for your son and home-schooling are the highest priorities over all other considerations, with everything else based around that.

          Also, if you’re so inclined, you might want to consider in home businesses that involve products you can make yourself and then sell on the internet.

          Sweaters make great gift items, especially if they’re personalized some way with something that the wearer would like others to see.

          Too being able to make things on a sewing machine or repairing items, if you like those sorts of things, has been a satisfying business for people who have basically turned a profit from their hobbies.

          There’s a stay-at-home mom down the road from us who repairs horse blankets and is swamped with business.

          Another lady near the water in our area also turned a boat top repair business involving canvas into one where she had to build a larger garage to take care of the natural increase in business, which enabled her to continue working from home and earning far more than she could from a job.

          It sounds to me like you’re in a pretty good position to take your time and decide what might be best.

          Being able to get by on what you now have coming in puts you in a position many people who are chained to a desk from 9 to 5 would LOVE to have…..believe me.

  • journey

    “it was significantly better than it had been in 1967, when it was 57.1 percent of white median income.” That’s a truer measure of black ability without AA, special programs, massive welfare, etc.

    “From 1965 to 2000, the poverty rate among blacks fell from 41.8 percent to 22.5 percent. Since then, it has risen to 27.2 percent. The white poverty rate also rose during this period, but by a more modest 3.2 points.” This shows the vast genetic differences in ability. Black poverty would sink back to 41.8% or higher (more likely) if the huge handouts were yanked.

    “the list goes on.” Where’s the big elephant in the room, genetics, on that list?

    “a situation that plays no small part in fueling the rage currently on display in Ferguson.” No amount of money, social programs, etc can stem the rage and resentment, dears, because they cannot change inferior genes into superior genes. So, it is easier to blame the superior race for the inherent deficiencies of an inferior race. The superior race gets blamed for the deficiencies of the inferior race that is inherent by nature. It is amazing the fortitude of the superior race to sustain such abuse, the wiliness to keep on paying, and the silliness.

  • Luca

    Another Liberal telling us what we already know and omitting the really important stuff.

    While flinging statistics “to and fro” you would think we could get some hard statistics about the barely mentioned, self-induced, problems that blacks have. Drugs, crime, low-IQ, single parents, welfare dependency, violence, promiscuity, lack of impulse control, ghetto culture, ebonics, entitlement mentality, etc.

    They can’t understand and they won’t understand. Ever.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    If those on the Left, such as the New York Times, who pose as champions of blacks were sincere, they would not also be fanatical advocates of flooding our low-skilled labor markets with foreign workers.

    • adplatt126

      No, they’re sincere, but dumb. They care about all the brownies deeply all at the same time and reflexively side with their short term interests without understanding the true implications of their actions. They’re like lovers or parents who care for the ones they love but harm them at every turn because they don’t know what’s good for them. Doing what seems obviously good for a group and siding with them at every turn over whites is not necessarily servicing them. Sometimes in their so doing, they actually undermine the interests of one group in competition with the other because they don’t understand basic economics or appreciate the concept of limited resources (as in this case). Needless to say, the best thing liberals could do for minorities is serve whites, because without whites, blacks are hopeless and Mexicans are poor.

      • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

        Well argued except for the “dumb” part. I know some of Lefties and they are not dumb. What rankles them most is that the implications of what you are saying — and what you and I believe — are that whites are superior. It’s “white supremacy”/brown inferiority reality that offends them/scares them most. They are religiously/irrationally devoted to egalitarianism.

        • bilderbuster

          The owner’s of The New York Times are anti White but they are neither dumb nor “White” liberals.

  • 4321realist

    I want to give this article the studied evaluation it deserves.

    Hahahahahahaha!

    • journey

      I did on an extensive level and the whole thing got deleted! Guess I was too harsh.

  • http://saboteur365.wordpress.com/ bigone4u

    When you GIVE blacks high school diplomas, college degrees, government jobs, force private companies to hire them via AA, and you do this for 30 years, of course the numbers for blacks are going to look better.

    But it’s a Potemkin Village you’ve built. Nothing real has changed. You’ve just transferred wealth from hard-working white taxpayers to blacks via deception and trickery.

    But now the well has run dry. There’s very little wealth left to redistribute. You’ve destroyed incentives as you pursued the artificial push up the ladder of blacks.

    So, now they have to resort to removing discipline from the schools, emptying out the prisons, and even more AA and more government jobs, all the while running huge deficits financed by printing money.

    The System is doomed. But it can probably hang on another 20 to 50 years. Whites should start their own small businesses and evade paying taxes into the System by any means, including illegal ones. After all, the POTUS doesn’t respect the law. Why should we?

    • Vito Powers

      Let’s not forget the Homeownership initiatives under both Clinton and Bush. Even lending standards by banks had to be dumb-down for Blacks, along with Latinos. It’s the same old song – blacks are discriminated against, blah blah.

      • cherrie greenbaum123

        One of the reasons we had the ’08 crash was that banks were giving out liar loans right and left and a majority of the “victims” were black. I worked with one black lady who lost her house. The bank gave them a mortgage on a $430K house. They had a combined yearly salary of about $60K. They were very pissed off about it losing it, although they put nothing down so they really got to live in a fairly swanky house for about two and a half years for their fairly modest income. The working white man, as usual, picked up the tab for their expenses.

        • bilderbuster

          And Whites paid the Goldman Banks too.

    • http://www.antenna.com Wholly Unconvinced

      This comment would have been a perfect “surprise” ending to the article itself. Aside from being honest, intelligent, well written and accurate.

  • NoMosqueHere

    White children, Isaacs reports, “are more likely to move up the ladder while black children are more likely to fall down.” Isaacs found.

    —————————————————————-
    When America officially becomes a third world country around mid century, the new power structure will punish whites for success even more harshly to achieve “equality,” the holy grail for the nation.

    • John R

      No they won’t. Because by then, bleeding heart White liberals will not be running the country. The new majority will not be black. It will be a mix of Hispanics, Whites Asians and persons of various mixtures. Look at George Zimmerman. THAT will be the new majority. As to Whites, mainly the more conservative ones are the only Whites in the world still reproducing themselves. They will not role over as easily. No, my prediction? The United States of Brazil. Small, White elite at the top. Large brown and mixed middle class, and an impoverished black undertow living in squalid conditions. Yeah, black people, enjoy the negro worship while it still goes on. “N-Word” Heaven will come to an end soon.

  • Adolf Verloc

    “A 2007 pre-recession Brookings Institution study by Julia Isaacs, “Economic Mobility of Black and White Families,” found that “a majority of blacks born to middle-income parents grow up to have less income than their parents.” It’s called regression to the mean by statisticians. If mom and pop had a lucky roll of the genetic dice that enabled them to function further up the bell curve, it is likely that Quintatious and LaShonda will not be similarly blessed. Of course, there are also a limited number of middle-class AA jobs that even the federal government can provide.

  • Rhialto

    This is a good example of Liberals making excuses for their expensive and unsuccessful programs to help Blacks. The Ferguson riots show this failure explicitly. His solution is to spend more trillions, but evil White men are opposed.

    Note that in listing the “role of factors” an M word* (immigration) is not included. America’s immigration policies have brought tens of millions of Hispanics into the country to do the simple jobs that Blacks used to do. These are the only productive jobs that most Blacks can do.

    In addition, these Hispanics are also classified as Diversityites by America’s governments, another hole in the leaky boat of Black economic success. And America’s Liberal controlled schools no longer teach the skills or work attitudes to Blacks, for them to be profitably employed.

    *The other is M word, mental capacity.

    • bilderbuster

      Hispanics took the low paying, fruit picking/house cleaning jobs from Blacks long ago.
      They have destroyed the good paying wages for Whites by illegally working for less and paying no taxes, while at the same time riding on the welfare wagon with the Blacks.

  • A Freespeechzone

    Why isn’t this dissected down to the fact that one’s station in life is a direct result of the decisions that are made.

    Stupid, ignorant decisions will insure that you will not succeed in life—which is the rule in the black community. Drugs, disdain for learning, unwed pregnancies, failure to take responsibility for one’s personal life, violence, attitude….are just examples.

    This ‘community’ can’t be saved…..no amount of money, laws or pandering will change the end results.

    Frankly, I don’t care…..they own the dysfunction and failure….I don’t.

  • John R

    My take? Black incomes rose sharply in the thirty years following the ’65 riots because of affirmative action jobs and higher government spending-often on social programs that were administered by blacks. White incomes rose, then stagnated, in the same period. Why? The White working class was hard hit by recessions and the competition of cheap foreign imports and outsourcing. Blue collar White males were especially hard hit.

    But that only went so far: Whites readjusted their lifestyles, and birthrates to the new economic realities. They learned new skills, saved their money, and got decent jobs in the private sector that were not union. But for blacks, on the other hand, sooner or later, the “gravy train” of affirmative action jobs and government largess began to dry up. Also, unskilled blacks faced the most competition from growing numbers of Hispanics in the population. Finally, black reckless procreation and criminal activity meant that many of them had criminal records and were thus ineligible for most decent employment. So, no wonder the trends of blacks overtaking Whites started to reverse. In the end, you cannot reverse the effects of low intelligence combined with low impulse control and poor decision making. How is that analysis?

    • Nancy

      Spot on.

  • LHathaway

    “From 1965 to 2000, the poverty rate among blacks fell from 41.8 percent to 22.5 percent”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but the poverty rate decline from around 50% in 1940 to a low of around 17% around 1975, where it stopped going down? But I guess only what happens to blacks matter, or what happens to whites, as long as it somehow relates to blacks.

    “The urban riots of the second half of the 1960s prompted Washington to pump out money, legislation, judicial decisions and regulatory change to outlaw de jure discrimination”.

    They’ve been doing this kind of positive action since reconstruction, when jobs advertised, “hiring regardless of race or previous condition of servitude”.

  • MBlanc46

    “Only 31 percent of black children born to parents in the middle of the
    income distribution have family income greater than their parents….” Regression to the mean?

    • Ellis Kurtz

      Looks like it:

      QUOTE, Journal of Blacks in Higher Education
      .. income differences explain only part of the racial gap in SAT scores. For black and white students from families with incomes of more than $200,000 in 2008, there still remains a huge 149-point gap in SAT scores. Even more startling is the fact that in 2008 black students from families with incomes of more than $200,000 scored lower on the SAT test than did students from white families with incomes between $20,000 and $40,000.
      END QUOTE.

      • John

        I’ve read also that poor white students in Appalachia as a group do better than upper income black students in top niche secondary schools. This should aid in putting to rest the “nature vs. nurture” controversy that psychologists have been arguing about for years.

        • bilderbuster

          The Appalachian (White) violent crime stats vs. Black violent crime stats don’t differ from the White vs. Black national stats either.

          • John

            I don’t believe that. That is counter to any analysis of crime statistics I’ve ever seen. If you’re referring to absolute numbers of crimes w/in the geographical area, of course that would be true simply because of the lack of violent black criminals relative to the numbers of white criminals within the population sampled. On a percentage basis, blacks are no doubt way over represented when it comes to just about every crime category with the exception of crimes generally considered to be “white collar crimes” of course. I’m more than happy to change my tune if the evidence indicates that I’m wrong. Be so kind as to point the way to enlightenment….

          • Ellis Kurtz

            I’m not sure what bilderbuster’s point is here. He appears to be saying that Appalachian (ie poor) whites do not have higher rates of violent crime than the overall white population, so poverty is not a factor in white violent crime.This appears to be true. Here is a repost of something I posted a few weeks ago in another Amren thread:

            There are unemployed, EBT-dependent whites in Appalachia, those who were left high and dry when the coal mines closed, as described in a fascinating column by Kevin Williamson in NRO “The White Ghetto”:

            Thinking about the future here and its bleak prospects is not much fun at all, so instead of too much black-minded introspection you have the pills and the dope, the morning beers, the endless scratch-off lotto cards, healing meetings up on the hill, the federally funded ritual of trading cases of food-stamp Pepsi for packs of Kentucky’s Best cigarettes and good old hard currency, tall piles of gas-station nachos, the occasional blast of meth…

            but…

            …the Big White Ghetto is different from most other ghettos in one very important way: There’s not much violent crime here. There’s a bit of the usual enterprise one finds everywhere there are drugs and poor people, which is to say, everywhere… The chief’s assistant notes that if they know the nature and location of a particular crime, they can more or less drive straight to where the perpetrator, who is likely to be known to them intimately, is to be found.

            and

            a 2004 study found that the majority of impoverished households in Appalachia were headed by married couples, not single mothers.

            So poverty in its modern form does not invariably result in violent crime or rampant single-motherhood. There is another factor.

  • MBlanc46

    Apparently the NYT has never heard of, among the “competing explanations”, lower IQ and deficits in impulse control and future-time orientation.

  • Tom in MI

    The article didn’t mention the huge influx of Latinos.

  • John R

    I don’t believe those stats for one second. About half of Brazilians are “White” but not by our standards. They are mostly descended from immigrants that came from the Latin countries in Europe. Many are Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese. Being White is considered desirable. Many of these “Whites” have at least a little black ancestry. (You ever see what Brazilians look like? Polish and German? My Irish ASS! LOL.) Yes, these more or less White people make up almost half the Brazilian population. Next, there are a lot of “mixed race” Brazilians. They are mulattoes mainly (like our dear president). Ironically, most American “blacks” would be considered mulatto to Brazilians. Finally, there are the pure Negroes, darker than the ace of spades. These are about six percent (?) of the total population. It is a disgrace to be black in Brazil-no “Negro worship” in that country-so any black person who can claim ANY significant Caucasian ancestry opts to be considered mulatto, or, if light enough, even “white.” There, hope that clears it up and educates our readers about what I was referring to.

    • phillyguy

      you have it all wrong ,ln regarding Brazil, the very small ruling class and industrialist, mining, logging, ect. are strictly descendants from Portuguese colonists with some white American corporations,,the ruling elite in Argentina and Uruguay are mostly Germans and Italians and some Spanish.their is hardly no middle class in any of these countries,if their I’d they are still very rich,compared to the 90 percent of the poor which is made up mostly of native Indians mixed in with black slaves.

  • Alexandra1973

    I remember reading in seventh-grade geography about different Scandinavian families having different sweater patterns. If nothing else, if someone dies while boating and their body is recovered, the sweater identifies what family they’re from.

    I’m still working on crocheting an afghan for my mom. LOL

  • bilderbuster

    Exactly and then they start jabbering jibberish loudly, and getting bug eyed and waving their arms and then they’re off!

  • bilderbuster

    White Americans are the only casualty of the non White invasion of our nation!

  • bilderbuster

    In his case it should be called “negression to the means by statisticians”.

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    Over the past several nights, the turnout on the FerGaza Strip has been getting lower and lower and concomitant with that has been the arrest count; we just might get through this night totally arrest-free. I think the bongo party is wearing out. One thing that might have helped keep tonight’s episode of Survivor: Ferguson pretty lame is that tonight is the first Friday night of high school football. That and all of a sudden we’re getting our usual oppressive summer humidity, which had been held in check for most of the summer.

    I’ve been anxious for the thrill to be gone because I desperately need to take a week off from blogging, writing comments on blogs including this one, or even paying attention to news other than that which my day job requires; these festivities have been mentally taxing for me. Although I shouldn’t complain; I could be a cop working 12 hour shifts outdoors right in the middle of this rabble. Or at least like Puggg, who the last I talked to him was doing his own job and then filling in in another jurisdiction so that their cops can be up in FerguStan.

    I fear though that after they plant the big lug on Monday, that’ll get the undertow’s batteries recharged. Hopefully not so I can take my week off.

  • 4321realist

    “Latinos being seen as being better workers than Blacks and thus getting the preference.”

    They’re also more intelligent on average, have better attitudes generally, more dedicated as workers, and they don’t whine and complain about every little matter that blacks do.

    These are replacement units for blacks.

    But, as you say, most blacks are to dim-witted to understand that.

  • Debbie Johnson

    I personally don’t care what happens to blacks. Not my problem. It can’t be fixed and I’m not spending any energy wondering why. I flat out don’t care. It’s like a marriage or relationship that is dead. You just don’t feel anything anymore. You’re done. That’s how I feel. I simply do not care. Ever. If they kill each other off in Chicago or any other mud infested city, not my problem. If they want to abort their black children, I don’t care, go ahead. Less blacks to feed on down the road. Blacks are becoming obsolete. They are like useless farm equipment.