A Tale of Two Cities? Blacks, Whites Sharply Disagree About Ferguson

Rasmussen Reports, August 18, 2014

The shooting incident in a St. Louis suburb is still under investigation, and just over half of Americans are not sure yet whether the police officer involved is guilty of murdering a black teenager. But most blacks have already made up their minds that the policeman should be found guilty. Blacks are also more convinced that the violent protests since the shooting occurred are mostly legitimate outrage rather than criminal activity.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 23% of all American Adults believe the police officer who shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri should be found guilty of murder. Twenty-six percent (26%) think he was acting in self-defense. Fifty-one percent (51%) are undecided. {snip}

Fifty-seven percent (57%) of black adults, however, think police officer Darren Wilson should be found guilty of murder, compared to just 17% of whites and 24% of other minority Americans. Most whites (56%) and a plurality (49%) of other minorities are undecided.

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When it comes to the mob violence that has occurred in Ferguson since the shooting, 25% of Americans think it has been primarily legitimate outrage over what happened. But 52% think it has been mostly criminals taking advantage of the situation. Another 23% are not sure. {snip}

While most whites (54%) and other minority Americans (53%) believe the violence has been chiefly criminals taking advantage of the situation, just 35% of blacks agree. Slightly more (41%) think the mob violence has been primarily legitimate outrage, a view shared by 24% of whites and 21% of other minorities. {snip}

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  • D.B. Cooper

    It looks like the dearly departed had marijuana in his system. I am so enjoying watching it all unravel, just as I knew it would.

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

      Weed? I’m so shocked, so surprised, so disappointed, unless I’m not.

      Michael Brown was an aspiring rapper that smoked weed. If there is anyone in those Ferguson apartment farms who neither smokes weed nor is an aspiring rapper, there are also toothed hens running around that area’s green spaces.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        I’m sure weed is just the start. This should be quite the cocktail, if they even have the balls to release the laundry list.

        • DonReynolds

          Four autopsies later, they still do not have the narrative they care to release to the public. Just keep doing them until you get the results you want.

    • http://saboteur365.wordpress.com/ bigone4u

      D.B. Cooper, dat weed proves dat boy innocent. Dat weed make him all mellow and sheeet. Youz gots ta test dat cop. He beez hopped up on sumpdin to make him shoot dat nice boy a hunnred times da way he deed.

      • MBlanc46

        By Jove, I think he’s got it!

    • 1stworlder

      Well if the video didn’t survive the store being burnt down, and if Holder kept the video from getting out they might have kept it together.

  • james AZ

    WAIT for FBI to report ……..which right or wrong……..

  • MekongDelta69

    Fifty-seven percent (57%) of black adults, however, think police officer Darren Wilson should be found guilty of murder.

    I don’t believe that poll for a minute. 90-95% of blacks vote in lockstep on EVERY issue.

    • Andy

      That’s found guilty, not just be investigated thoroughly or put on trial.

    • http://oddhammer.com/tutorials/debt_clock/US_debt_clock_dynamic.swf John Barleycorn

      . . . . . . . . . .MANY MELANIN ARE NATURAL HOODRATS . . ..

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Such a nice boy. And college bound, too. Oh, such a loss. If Trayvon is the Skittle Jesus, what is this heavenly creature? The Saint of Ferguson?

        • Holden

          Saint Cigarillo?

          • Magician

            Haha…….

        • Magician

          Saint I-seize-guns-from-cops??

        • Copenhagen23

          Saint Oxygen Thief.

        • DonReynolds

          The 300 pound Swisher Sweet

        • DonReynolds

          Still waiting for the Mike Brown pics from when he was a cute 8 year old to hit the network news channels…..same with Trayvon….overnight they will stop using the fat thug gangbanger pix.

    • Dave West

      It must have been a poll of black Republicans.

    • Alucard_the_last

      They are herd animals. They support any negative behavior if a negro is involved. They ignore the fact that fat-so got filmed mugging a store clerk. Too bad the head of the herd isn’t running towards a 1000 foot cliff.

    • DonReynolds

      Murder requires forthought and intent. There is no motive, no pattern of similar behaviors in the officer’s past, nor did he empty his weapon on the attacker. He stopped shooting after 3 seconds. There has been no murder. It was a justified use of deadly force by a police officer in the performance of his duties.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    Conclusions:

    – Blacks are not like the other members of society in views or any other facet of life for that matter.

    – Blacks will always side with blacks regardless of facts or how unsavory the black person in question may be.

    • DonReynolds

      Louis Farakhan? Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton? Eric Holder? OJ Simpson? Trayvon?
      I think I see a pattern.

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    There has been something of a meme going around over the last 12 or so hours, that all the problems in Ferguson have been caused by radicals from across the country or at least far outside of St. Louis swooping in and stirring things up. The two big peddlers of this are Marc Lamont Hill of CNN, and also Alex Jones.

    Everyone hates big corporations, but the one they work for is the one exception, stellar, they do everything right.

    Everyone hates Congress, but their member of Congress is the exception, honest, straight as an arrow, ethical.

    After Hurricane Katrina, someone tried to claim that there were no problems in post-Katrina New Orleans until black gangs from Dallas swooped into the area and started causing problems. Kyle Rogers, the webmaster over at CofCC, at the time wrote in reaction to that something that went like this: “Are we to think that black gangs from Dallas or anywhere have paratrooper units?” (Remember the area was flooded at the time and nobody was getting in there by vehicle.) “Are we to think that New Orleans doesn’t have enough black troublemakers of its own?”

    And that’s my reaction to this notion that the party in the FerGaza Strip has been the result of out of town ideological fellow travelers riding into town and stirring things up. Sure, a few are in order to be able to weasel in on the credit in order to raise their profile in black and left wing wackoville. But to say that it’s all the fault or even a majority fault of these out-of-towners and left wing extremists is to say that FerguStan has no black undertow troublemakers of its own, and we know they have plenty.

    That’s what Section 8 apartment farms are for.

    • jim b

      Alex Jones, as usual, appears to be saying this was a false flag by the Feds to get our guns. I wish he would just go away.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        My mother’s only real news sources are Alex Jones and Drudge. I look at Drudge but rarely at Alex Jones, so whatever my mother tells me, if I didn’t see it on Drudge, then I know it’s what Alex Jones is talking about. Luckily, he isn’t going that far, and his trend as of late has been to edge away from that mentality. But he’s nowhere near Jared Taylor’s understanding of race, yet, or maybe ever.

        • http://www.amren.com/ Berserker

          In Jones defense, he will periodically acknowledge polar bear hunting and other negro games.
          However, his focus is trying to unravel (alleged) conspiracies.
          He seldom takes things at face value, and is compelled to look for the elusive hidden meaning.

          • http://www.antenna.com Wholly Unconvinced

            Alex Jones is little more than a live-action tabloid at best. At worst, he’s a paid shill, misdirection people who have begun to ask “why?” Towards answers that don’t really answer anything.

          • SoulInvictus

            I disagree. His coverage of the border issue in particular has been almost a full month ahead of the mainstream at every break in the events. They’re really branching out into the field reporting now and coverage of this Ferguson mess has been better than anything in the mainstream.
            You don’t see CNN or Fox getting tear gassed or shot with rubber bullets to document what is actually happening…
            they’re all back in the “free speech zone” saying “it all looks fine from here”….
            Pretty pathetic that the only other journalists willing to get in the mix to do actual reporting were Al Jazeera and Vice.

          • http://www.antenna.com Wholly Unconvinced

            I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, as I stopped paying any attention to Alex Jones a long time ago, so I don’t know what his “reporting” consists of now. I guess he’s always been “better than nothing” when compared to Mainstream news, but at the same time, I cannot comprehend how he covers some of the things he does, without realizing the things he’s leaving out, which makes it intentional. Maybe a “tactical” choice, to keep himself from becoming too much of a threat, but there’s no way for me to really know.

          • propagandaoftruth

            There’s really only one legit rabbit hole conspiracy, I’ve come to believe – White Genocide.
            It’s so huge and all encompassing that combined with incessant brainwashing propaganda, the average person cannot discern it, like an ant crawling across the left nostril of

          • SoulInvictus

            “This is the true role of Alex Jones in our genocide.”

            If the things he does highlight were addressed, the problems whites face would be mostly solved.
            Abortion, immigration, border control, national sovereignty, government and financial manipulation, freedom, etc etc.
            I don’t see how any of that is supportive of white genocide.

            He’s still hoping all of us can work together. I don’t see that happening, but I don’t fault him for hoping for it.

            There’s a global genocide being perpetrated. Whites are just in the crosshairs finally and feeling it. The same tactics that have been used on most of the rest of the world are starting to get dropped on us like a hammer. +massive immigration into all European countries as everyone else flees their miserable countries.
            There were some very successful countries in S. America until not long ago… the drug war and banker tactics have gutted them.

          • propagandaoftruth

            I got suckered into the 9/11 thing years ago. Bad after taste.

          • SoulInvictus

            That whole story is so convoluted I don’t think I’ll ever make sense of it. Firefighters with first hand accounts stating they heard successive demolition explosions, the hugely disproportionate anticipatory put options on stocks, metallurgists and engineers saying buildings like that don’t and never have just fallen down due to that kind of damage, NORAD standing down for a simultaneous drill for exactly that situation, the video of the owner stating they “pulled” the building that wasn’t hit (how do you even do that on short notice without having demolitions already in place). Even the documented, publicly available stuff doesn’t jive with the official story, so who knows what really happened…

            Even if there was none of the other weirdness, the fact that it was the biggest windfall of all time for the defense and espionage industry should provoke some suspicion.

            I don’t claim to know, don’t entirely believe anyone that says they do, but the whole things stinks on a level way beyond some crazy guys hijacking a plane.
            Way off topic… but just saying I completely understand people’s confusion and theories about that whole thing.

          • propagandaoftruth

            What bugged me was the building 7 thing. I’m OK with someone high up maybe kind of letting it happen. Not morally, but think it could have happened.

            Building 7, though…that thing was weird. Really looks like was blown. And I think it was.

            Because I think many fed buildings housing lots of sensitive stuff…is pre-rigged to be blown in an emergency. Which is why it’s secret. Imagine fed employees thinking about that all day at work.

          • SoulInvictus

            I just set aside the buildings completely. For arguments sake just say they all went down as advertised. I think they like it when people get bogged down in that with theories about mini-nukes, black holes, or even just plain preset demolitions.

            That still leaves so incredibly much weirdness beyond a simple (well, highly coordinated and perfectly flown multiple) hijacking.
            Richard Clark saying Bush blatantly pushed them to find some link to Iraq even if there wasn’t one.
            The fact that forensic accountants have proven there was foreknowledge of the attacks indicated by massive put options placed by shell corporations.
            Never did see much evidence of a large plane at the Pentagon site.
            Not going after the country of origin of the supposed hijackers.
            Finding some of their documents just laying around the WTC site.
            The fact that a lot of them turned up alive or misidentified but the list was never altered.
            Bush/Bin Laden family connections since his early days.
            The dancing Israelis that got released.
            Clearing of flights for Bin Laden family exit when all other flights were grounded.
            That the mastermind just happened to be the leader of a group started, financed, armed and trained by the CIA.

            It’s all so incredibly shady that you’d have to be really simple to believe a group of cave dwelling jihadis executed it. Then apparently decided that one shot was enough and never executed anything similar, or anything at all, even though most of the US is a pretty soft target.

          • SoulInvictus

            I wish I had bookmarked one of his recent videos. He went on at length about the war on whites and the west in general. It’s not that he doesn’t acknowledge it’s there, but he prefers to hope everyone rises above tribal conflict. I find it admirable, but unrealistic.
            It’s one of the few things I disagree with him on.
            The people that critique him on here a lot, I don’t think have watched much of his stuff.
            He’s usually pretty damn funny actually, and goes to great lengths to source his claims.

      • SoulInvictus

        What do you think happens if this spirals down the toilet?
        Cops get caught on film gunning down unarmed protesters, inner cities nationwide erupt in violence that makes Chicago blush, Feds push for the Australian style gun control that Obama already says he would prefer.
        I fail to see how that is far fetched at all.
        Nationwide NYC style gun policy…

        AJ has never says the incident itself was staged, merely that its likely being used and exacerbated by outside influences now. Even the locals interviewed said the looting is being done by out of towners…
        If you think it’s outside the realm of possibility that these folks would use provocateurs, then you haven’t researched our government much.

        Just like they didn’t pack up hordes of central americans and ship them here, but they sure are taking advantage of and worsening the situation to their own ends.

        • DonReynolds

          If the “unarmed protesters” want to be martyrs for the cause, they will have to stop throwing rocks, bottles, Molotov cocktails, and stop shooting at the police. If the police/state/NG security start taking casualties, they are going to run out of restraint…..which is what the protesters are pushing for. Boston Massacre, anyone?

    • IstvanIN

      Everyone hates Congress, but their member of Congress is the exception, honest, straight as an arrow, ethical.
      I hate my representative and both senators.

      • MBlanc46

        All vermin and it’s lost past time that we called for the Orkin man.

        • Kenner

          ‘President Orkin’. — Has a nice ring to it.

        • DonReynolds

          The infestation by cockroaches (and worse) is so bad in this government that no amount of bug spray is going to work. Burn it all and start over. We can do it again.

      • SoulInvictus

        Being in Alabama, I’m learning to appreciate mine in light of what the rest of you have in comparison.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Ayup, Bama is stepping up.

          • SoulInvictus

            Not something I ever thought I’d live to see being proud of, but our guys do seem to at least be somewhat plainspoken and reality based.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Yup, Mo took it to them. Good for him. And I’m a native New Englander!

          • DonReynolds

            The People of Alabama would not have elected any other kind.

        • mobilebay

          Roll Tide!

    • Jacobite2

      Of all the things I NEVER thought I’d hear any African-Americans say would be to blame “Outside Agitators” for their rioting. Anybody old enough to remember when America was still America will no doubt recall how the MSM treated white Southerners’ complaints about outside agitators stirring up the local negroes. I believe both stories are more true than not, but from there it goes in totally different directions.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Berserker

        The easiest take EVER is to manipulate a negro.

    • MBlanc46

      Outside troublemakers couldn’t stir up trouble if there weren’t trouble there waiting to be stirred up.

      • anony

        I don’t think there are as many “outsiders” as the media are implying. Nice way to excuse the locals. With a 70 % black population in Ferguson, you’re absolutely correct.

        • SoulInvictus

          I don’t think I’d be too happy about having a rifle’s laser sight put on my chest for holding a sign. There’s not a good side in this really.

          • anony

            Right. Peaceful protest is as American as apple pie, and should not elicit aggressive behavior from law enforcement.

          • DonReynolds

            I seriously doubt anyone will get shot by a sniper, simply because they are holding a sign.
            Snipers are much more careful than that. More likely to shoot the Molotov cocktail tossing anarchist or black nationalist, who is using the “peaceful demonstrators” as human shields.
            Besides, the gunfire directed at police last night, did not come from protest signs.
            Hopefully, the snipers will get a good clear shot at those doing the shooting.
            Yes, take them out.
            Shooting at police during a protest is not just despicable, it is just plain suicide.

          • SoulInvictus

            “I seriously doubt anyone will get shot by a sniper, simply because they are holding a sign. ”
            I seriously doubt it too. But I watched video of them doing it.
            One of my favorite reporters, a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan, got red dotted by a sniper and later rubber bulletted by one.
            That’s just needless antagonizing.

            “Snipers are much more careful than that.”

            Military snipers, yes. What passes for a “sniper” with local police, not so much. I’ve seen them cut loose in a local situation and riddle both hostage and criminal with bullets.

          • DonReynolds

            Now I am disappointed. I thought you were going to mention how the agitators at Ferguson were using the “unarmed peaceful protesters” as human shields (not really original)…..
            or how it is that these same “unarmed peaceful protesters” use every night to burn and loot more businesses, have shot at the police (and each other), and thrown firebombs at the police line.
            I do not believe I am on the side of the police and I am certainly not on the side of the rioters.
            I wish I could say it will be over soon, but the violence and rioting may spread all over this country and when it does, you may find many more joining the police line as volunteers. You are free to carry your cheesy sign and make noise, all you care to.

      • SoulInvictus

        I’ve watched videos of the actual protesters running up and trying to extinguish fires looters were setting. And haven’t seen the tear gas and rubber bullets fired on anyone doing damage, only crowds standing around griping ( the group trying to put out fires got tear gassed actually…). The cops are not handling it well, at all.

        • MBlanc46

          “The cops are not handling it well, at all.”

          That’s not surprising. But the cops could have been home drinking beer and watching sports on tv if there hadn’t been looting and burning. That’s the cause. The cops and they’re misplays are only the effect.

  • Lewis33

    “Twenty-six percent (26%) think he was acting in self-defense. Fifty-one percent (51%) are undecided. {snip}”

    I’m actually pleasantly surprised by these numbers, perhaps we are gaining back some lost ground? Considering the MSM narrative has already convicted the officer it’s good to see many are not buying it.

  • Luca

    The differences of opinion between the races are directly related to differences in culture and IQ.

    • Jacobite2

      Culture is dependent on IQ.

      • JohnEngelman

        IQ is only a social construct.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          IQ is only part of the equation. They only thing your idols have going for them. They will never be as good as western Europeans. They will always be western civilization’s bridesmaids.

        • Jacobite2

          Reality is only a social construct.

        • adplatt126

          In response to a gentleman alleging that race was a social construct, a sagacious and interesting fellow once said: “society is a racial construct”.

  • JackKrak

    “A tale of two cities”???

    More like a tale of two races.

    • Kenner

      If only we could live in different cities. —-States, nations…

      • adplatt126

        We could.

    • glennm

      one human species, one animal species

    • 1stworlder

      die-verse-city and shining city on the hill

  • DaveMed

    This episode has probably converted tens of thousands to our cause.

    Certainly thousands.

    But I fear that, with what we’ve seen from the Black community, Wilson is unlikely to get a fair trial.

    How does it work – is the jury picked from the 70%-Black city of Ferguson?

    • 1stworlder

      Well the good news is that criminals cant serve on juries, that’s how 90% black detriot often has no blacks serving on juries.

    • shawnmer

      What do you think? Envision the headline: “Killer cop trial relocated because too few whites in jury pool.”

      Yeah, I can’t see it either!

    • http://www.antenna.com Wholly Unconvinced

      If I was his lawyer and he was charged, I would fight tooth and nail to have the trial moved to a different district, and only the most blatantly biased judge wouldn’t agree. The potential jury pool there is absolutely biased against the officer in question.

      Then again, the easiest way to make him into a sacrificial Lamb would be to try him in Ferguson, where a conviction would be absolutely guaranteed, but again, it would be blatantly obvious that “they” were setting him up to be crucified.

    • M&S

      Why assume it gets to a trial? The evidence is scanty and what there is points to Wilson being the one who was in possession of his faculties (charging a gun is not a wise move) and not a fleeing criminal.
      It is not a cop’s fault if blacks have a false (Hollyweird) perception that ‘one shot ends it’. Because the reality in EVERY police department is that if someone presents a valid live-or-die threat sufficient to have your weapon drawn, when that threat goes from potential to actual, you shoot until he ceases to be dangerous. Usually, that means on the ground without capability to raise a weapon at you because, truth be told, you are looking at a situation where bullets at short range which are not hollowpoints or similar, enhanced lethality, rounds are through and through. They cause extreme damage as pain but it is local trauma as shattered bones and cut tissue.
      There is no neuroshock or major tissue disruption from cavitation sufficient to put someone down with -less- than a lethal hit so you keep on pumping them full of lead until the pain or the injuries to limbs makes it biomechanicaly impossible for them to keep coming.
      Cops know this. Soldiers, especially those with familiarity with 5.56mm primary infantry weapons, know this. The public doesn’t. And the public doesn’t realize that 20ft which is typical for most contact distances is only about a second or two for someone to get across. So you don’t have time to aim for the perfect ‘wounding shot’ (hips are a good put down point) you go for center mass and fire as fast as you can within the mechanical action and recoil effects limits of your body, not to -hold- but to in fact /recapture/ ‘something similar’ to your initial aimpoint.
      All the while, the target is moving and shifting in it’s own locomotive progression and so you have wound scatter.
      Point Being: After the Trayvon case, there would have to be real, not ‘sitting on my chest pounding my face after a strongarm robbery’ evidence of wrong-doing for a prosecution to move forward.
      Indeed, this is what will have to be dealt with as a function of long term consequences. Blacks will be ever more resentful at having been proven, once again, to be vicious, hateful, out of control savages and Officer Wilson will likely never be able to work again.
      And the status quo, when Obama leaves office as a President who failed to ‘lift up blacks’ to the level of outcome-not-ability equals with the white population will be one of permanent aggressor as armed camp status.
      The KMLK games will grow worse and perhaps become armed. Blacks will not participate in anything but spite politics and even then they will doubt the ability of their own to create a condition of real power in which whitey cannot punish them for doing what they do (which seems to be the real basis of their unhappiness at the moment).
      Conversely, suppose that this is a setup -specifically- designed to draw out the worst animosities between races and that ‘secret evidence’ is introduced that makes Wilson a scapegoat. Whites will then also have a choice between withdrawal from an unfair system looking more for ‘social justice’ than the real thing and submission to an increasingly domineering and carelessly criminal ethnic populations.
      And anything we do to separate will be the beginning of government crackdowns in line with Agenda 21, Regional Equity, Gun Regulation and the rest.
      There is no ‘good’ outcome here, the status and nature of the low level population wars is going to worsen from here.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        In many of these cases, too, jurors have little knowledge of the effects of adrenalin. Every juror should be quizzed on how many near-death en-counters they’ve personally had. Mother Nature provided a powerful tool with adrenalin. The fight-or-flight juice.

      • DaveMed

        Terrific post.

      • SoulInvictus

        Or, you know, when the unarmed crazy person is 30 ft away from the squad car, you simply get back in the car without going Charles Bronson…

        • AndrewInterrupted

          To hear reports, this thug was reaching into Wilson’s squad car trying to take his service weapon. The 30 feet away scenario was after Brown doubled back.

          • SoulInvictus

            The facts seem to bear out he wasn’t shot in the car at all, and shot fatally at 30 ft away from the squad car.
            I’m not sympathetic to the guy that got shot, but I’m also not crazy about trigger happy cops.
            I’ve had one draw down on me just for telling him I had a concealed permit and my gun on me out of courtesy. It’s not fun.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            No, one round did indeed go off in the car. Presumably while Brown was trying to snatch it. Then Brown fled and doubled back around, creating the 30 foot shot. This was an evolution.

          • SoulInvictus

            Hadn’t seen anything saying there was a shot in the car. Did hear the forensic pathologist say there was no gun residue on the body. Given that it would be all over the place when shooting in as tight a space as a car, kind of hard to believe.
            But even if it miraculously didn’t get on him from a shot in the car, he apparently wasn’t shot at any point at close range. Which means you’re back to, just get in the car or use non-lethals.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            The round going off in the car will come out in court. This is flimsier than Trayvon, which makes it extra valuable for the 2014 elections. Watching the Left trying to polish this turd will be a goldmine for the Repugs.

          • SoulInvictus

            Just wait… it’ll probably end up with white gun owners losing rights, cities that have gone up in flames getting white tax disaster relief money, etc.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            A Repug landslide in November will stem the bleeding. A Repug victory in 2016 sets a new course. The race card is overdrawn. We are embarking on a new dawn, brother.

          • SoulInvictus

            I see a few million Executive amnestied illegal Democrats permanently fixing that potentiality. But hopefully you’re right and I’m wrong.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            All that will be reversed in 2016. They better enjoy their “gibsmedats” while they can.

          • SoulInvictus

            By 2016… I can see the petrodollar dead, deepened global depression, hyper inflation due to no longer holding the world reserve currency, and much much more as being very likely.
            Economic collapse will probably end the gibs before Republicans.
            Either that, or we’ll all be on gibs around then just to eat $50 a loaf bread…

          • AndrewInterrupted

            In 2016 you will see Europe re-balkanize and the mutli-culti cancer will begin to recede.

            The American Right just needs to roll up their sleeves and get into the gutter with the Left where they live. The Left has no truth or righteousness on their side, so they exploit technicalities.

            The Right should do the same. If they fight dirty like the Left, they can null & void tens of millions of phony citizenships. Phony marriages alone account for half the Cambodians in Lowell, Mass. That is true with all the scamming invaders. The Suspect Citizenship Act of 2017 will get the ball rolling back in European-America’s direction.

          • SoulInvictus

            I could cite a dozen reasons why I don’t see any of that as possible, but instead, I just hope you’re right.

          • anony

            “If they fight dirty like the Left,…” Since the conservatives have never done that, what will cause that change?

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Hope and Change.

          • SoulInvictus

            On the smaller scale, probably the worst thing is that somehow this will all end up costing the city (which I’m sure can’t afford it) millions. Either in lawsuits, defending against lawsuits, or the mere cost of maintaining the overkill police presence they’ve been utilizing since, mostly against people that are just standing around and loudly griping.
            One way or the other, it’ll ruin that city’s finances for years. So the working class people and businesses will suffer for long after the national sideshow is over.

          • anony

            What’s your scenario for the stupid party winning in 2016? I can’t see it.

          • SoulInvictus

            If there are millions of newly minted hispanic voters, I definitely don’t see it. Ever again.
            Even with that factor removed, I have a hard time seeing a Republican winning a national election ever again. I think the demographics for it are already far enough gone.
            After seeing how they blatantly blacked out and discounted entire counties that went to Ron Paul, the fix is in for anything but approved establishment candidates.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Hillary’s big fat ego will keep her in the race, but her health is bad. She has one foot in the grave and the other one on a banana peel. She will drop dead just before the election and the GIP (Grievance Industry Party) won’t have time to recover.

        • M&S

          Watch the Youtube video: ‘Mythbusters: Never Bring A Knife to a Gun Fight’ (there are dozens just like it). From 20+ feet away, a man is less than two seconds and if he swerves and shimmys and you let up, just a little, you’re gonna miss and he’s gonna stick it in your and give it twist.

          Wilson had his gun out instead of his tazer (or baton or pepper spray, not every department uses tazers, even now) because a tazer has lousy aimpoint control over about 10ft and the others simply are not guaranteed angry-man stoppers.

          Again, if you miss, by the time you retract the filament and shoot again, he’s on you.

          And Soul, there just isn’t /time/ to switch out between them.

          You have to keep your biomechanics simple and muzzle forward, reacting to the target.

          Or he’ll beat you to enough trigger squeezes to keep coming until he can kill you.

          Police are there to keep law and order for purposes of public safety (that’s you and me) and once Mr. Brown attacked the officer, essentially for no reason, he became a _public_ menace.

          Because if he will do that to an armed cop, he will do it to anyone and as far as Wilson knew, the guy was just nuts or on drugs and might not be able to help himself.

          OTOH, if the radio/modem message had come through that a man fitting Brown’s description was a likely suspect in a strongarm robbery, it became Officer WIlson’s _duty_ to detain him for questioning.

          Whether he was being aggressive at that point or not.

          And yes, a gun gives the cop that _physical_ authority. A tazer doesn’t.

          The sadness here is that, whatever Mr. Brown was or wasn’t, at the end, he didn’t respect his own life enough to survive.

          Gunned down over 50 dollars worth of cigarettes? Come On.

          THINK.

          You’re 18, you have another 50+ to get through and these days, having a felony record doesn’t make you more or less hireable because there aren’t enough decent, 40hr @ 20, jobs out there for anyone. Something like 40% of blacks live on EBT and HUD assistance as a result of this, while making up only 13% of our population.

          But they still live.

          Punching a cop and then charging his/her gun makes it real hard to breathe.

          And that’s the final truth here. Killing a man for 50 bucks in stolen goods is a tragedy that I’m sure Officer Wilson will ask himself a few times ‘What was he thinking?’ over.

          But dying over 50 dollars because you refused to _defend your own life_ in the face of such aggressive stupidity is a worse loss because you can’t keep other people from being dumb.

          But you have only yourself to blame for your own mistakes.

          Officer Wilson made the smart choice. Mr. Brown did not.

          FWIW: They are working on a PEP (Pulsed Energy Packet) laser which because it can, among other things, cross two beams in midair, can act in a ‘stunning’ fashiong as a function of making loud, firecracker, style pops of ionized gas.

          This has been proven to drive back angry (test) mobs and it is multiple repeating fire capable so there is a good chance that, having ranged the threat, you can keep on shooting at them until they decide they have had enough of the atmosphere itself exploding in their face, fit to bust their ear drums.

          It also has a next-step which is a ‘pain ray’ that moves from causing little explosions in the air in front of you to actually sublimating tiny plasma bursts from your skin surface itself.

          This plasma cloud has an electrical charge to it which can be modulated to operate at the same neuro electric hertz frequency which the gate-control ‘circuits’ in your nervous system does.

          Zap those nociceptors and you get a jolt like you’d touched a live wire worse than a dozen tazer shots.

          And this same PEP laser, when taken up another notch (to roughly 100KW) as ‘PIKL’ (pulsed-impulsive kill laser) level can drill quarter sized holes through 10mm steel girders from 100m away. Zap. Just like that.

          It shreds soft body armor and causes steam detonations in flesh.

          So that you can start to talk about limited overpen, high lethality, modes while moving towards low recoil and superior aimpoint control for that ‘one’ shot which is going to put the target down at whatever level doctrine as distance dictates.

          Maybe this is the ultimate answer in terms of giving officers both an auto-targeting (overlay a volume, scan the field for IR silhouettes, pick threats which aren’t badged, shoot) ‘never miss’ option that has sufficent surety to incapacitate without killing or kill only select targets without the overpen of high energy kinetics.

          But until we get there, we have to cut our LEOs a little slack for the manner in which the limitations of the ordnance they have dictates the manner in which they employ it.

          If it was an easy job, we wouldn’t ask them to do it so we don’t have to.

          • SoulInvictus

            If the stuff about the initial fight ends up being true, with significant injury to the cop, then you get no argument from me.
            As someone else pointed out, how can a 6’+ 300 lb. guy be unarmed, really. Large, physically powerful men pose a deadly threat as soon as they’re aggressive so they should exercise additional caution knowing there is that valid perception of them. If he broke a cops eye socket, who doesn’t expect to get at least severely injured for that…dumb.
            The more that comes out, the more it sounds like he was an aggressive bully that thought he could get away with pretty much anything, and so likely earned what he got.

            Those details, and pictures, should have been released immediately, privacy be damned. Especially once they saw the public reaction.
            If all that proves untrue, and it turns out he could have just retreated to a safe distance and kept tabs until help arrived (any regular citizen wouldn’t get away with similar action), then it was still a bad shooting. I don’t think that will end up being the case though.

      • http://oddhammer.com/tutorials/debt_clock/US_debt_clock_dynamic.swf John Barleycorn

        time to find another country ..

        • M&S

          You get a shovel, I’ll get a shovel, and between the two of us and plate tectonics, we’ll have the Pacific filled right in. :-

          The alternative is to put those shoves to better use digging a moat behind which whites can shelter while the diversitudes get busy starvin’.

          The sad part is that the 23% of whites who think Officer Wilson needs to swing from the nearest yard arm are just strong enough, with voting fraud and majority minorities in certain key states, to make the simple act of separation a really violent chore.

          I don’t have an answer but having stayed in Missouri over several summers with the grandparents, I can tell you that they are the soul of considerate hospitality if you give them half a chance. Cross them however and it’s really hard (well nigh impossible) to get back into their good graces.

          The kind of no-nonsense people you want to have standing beside you when things go fluid. I feel sorry for the hell they’re going through.

          I don’t really have an answer beyond this except to say we need to get busy MAKING a homeland for ourselves so that we don’t end up gerrymandering little Whitopias around every ghettoville that Regional Equity tries to tax us for.

          The Multticult has failed in it’s primary Lysenkoist vision of interchangeable people (as usual) but soon there will be so many of The Other that the only way to reclaim what is ours will be through genocide and there are simply not enough whites that are bloodyminded enough ‘not to mind’ being called ethnic-X butchering Nazis.

          That is the fait d’accompli position that our enemies hope to put us in where our distaste at doing the unthinkable leaves it too late to detach from the unstoppable which they have begun.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      I was making similar comments on other sites. You can just feel the vacuum, the ‘giant sucking sound’ of liberal, White, female swing-votes switching to the “R” column. Republican landslide in November–and beyond. America has turned the corner.

      • SoulInvictus

        ” liberal, White, female”
        Having known a few, I have a hard time seeing that. One potential outcome that I could see, is if all the inner cities go up in flames and become war-zones, doing any damage with the racist label will become much harder. Phrased tactfully, it might even become a selling point.

  • [Guest]

    >>>…most blacks have already made up their minds…

    Where race is concerned—and with blacks EVERYTHING is about race—100 percent of their minds are made up.

    The problem is that white people’s minds are NOT.

  • JohnEngelman

    Blacks who think police officers are more dangerous to them than young black men have been reading too many history books, and not enough newspapers.

    • Dave West

      And even at that they have been reading too many revisionist history books.

    • jim b

      And there was our dear leader on TV earlier today to let us know that there has been a unsavory history between cops and members of minority communities. And he mention how young black men are suspended at twice the rate of Whites. Am I to believe the leader of the free world doesn’t know the real reason? I’ll bet most of the country bought it.

    • shawnmer

      That was pithy and brilliant, my friend!

      Though we should probably find a substitute for “history books” because that almost certainly gives them too much credit.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Grudgingly, well said.

    • Magician

      Haha

  • http://saboteur365.wordpress.com/ bigone4u

    Blacks stick together to defend a thug who would ultimately have laid some hurt on THEM. Whites should stick together no matter what. Officer Darren Wilson seems a good guy. We should all make up our minds the same: Not guilty of murder. Doing his job. Give him a medal for cleaning up the trash.

  • glennm

    why in the world would anyone care what a sub human savage thinks

    • tlk244182

      And what, exactly, are they thinking with?

  • MindHead99

    Blacks tolerance of criminality precedes them in all their interactions with other ethnic groups. Whites who want to take the blame for this as being “Racism” are self-destructive and make the problem much worse.

  • kjh64

    “however, think police officer Darren Wilson should be found guilty of murder, compared to just 17% of whites and 24% of other minority Americans.”

    Only a small minority of Whites and OTHER minority Americans agree that he’s is guilty of murder. I see other minorities don’t go along with Blacks according to this poll.

  • John R

    Only 24% of Whites think that the riots were legitimate protests, versus 21% OF OTHER MINORITES. HA HA! Yeah, black people, your day of reckoning will come. Other non-Whites will be a lot less tolerant of blacks than Whites are. George Zimmerman anyone?

    • Ringo Lennon

      Yeah! Blacks have it pretty good with white handouts. But we’re devils, you know.

    • evilsandmich

      I caught that too. For as unforgiving as whites apparently are (from the black point of view), Mexicans, Asians, etc. are even less forgiving.

    • Ringo Lennon

      I don’t like Zimmerman’s mestizo looks. Yeah, it’s a crap way to judge someone.

  • Paleoconn

    Missouri is the Show Me State. Michael Brown asked Officer Wilson to show him his gun, and the good Officer obliged.

  • MBlanc46

    Well, they would, wouldn’t they? It’s pretty clear by now that blacks and whites just can’t live together in peace. Separation is the only answer. Then only black cops will shoot young black males.

    • JohnEngelman

      Blacks cannot live with other blacks. They benefit from benevolent paternalism from whites.

      • MBlanc46

        It’s certainly true that they do benefit from white paternalism. Then they turn around and bite hand that feeds them (and keeps them in weed and 40 ouncers). Whatever happens, we’ll have to provide them with income, but we don’t have to let them destroy our towns and cities as well. It’s time for a divorce.

  • MoMo

    I’m not sure that marijuana is the only drug in Mr. Brown’s system. I thought that smoking a “doobie wookie” would make Mr. Brown more of a “gentle giant”, not less. Perhaps the fact that Mr. Brown was a “gentle giant” explained why he did not use more than “gentle aggression” when dealing with that Asian-American’s trying to over charge him for a box of cigars. Apparently, as an oversight, Mr. Brown simply forgot to pay for his merchandise. That, in and of itself, does not mean that Mr. Brown did not INTEND to pay for the cigars – it was just nothing more than another unfortunate example of a racist Asian-American shopkeeper over reacting to the detriment of an African-American customer. The psychological trauma inflicted upon this teenage child by this grown man directly lead to his erratic conduct in front of the Officer Wilson which directly lead to the Officer Wilson intentionally causing the wrongful death of Mr. Brown by murdering him.

    Clearly Officer Wilson was mistaken when Mr. Brown reached inside his patrol car to shake his hand and to thank him for the fine job that he was doing. Officer Wilson’s intentional, unjustified use of deadly force was the direct, foreseeable, and proximate cause of Mr. Brown’s wrongful death.

    The City of Ferguson, due to it’s negligent hiring, training, and supervision of Officer Wilson, who, while acting in the line and scope of his employment with the City of Ferguson, was the direct, foreseeable, proximate cause of the wrongful death of the teenage “gentle giant” Michael Brown; and, is therefore guilty of causing the wrongful death of Mr. Brown.

    Therefore the mother of Michael Brown demands for the heretofore described outrageous conduct of the aforementioned defendants, jointly and severally, the amount of twenty million dollars to compensate her for her acute mental anguish and suffering.

    Make no mistake. Immediately after the conviction of Officer Wilson for murder will come the civil trial which the City will have to enter into a confidential settlement to avoid all of the negative publicity.

    And the dance has only just started.

    MoMo

  • Caucasoid88

    I’ve been called a racist so much for this. Blacks get more emotional than a 15-year-old girl who just got dumped on prom night. They’re irrational, stupid, loud, and silly.

    Bottom line: It really must suck to be a responsible, nice, professional black person.

  • Irishgirl

    I love how all these black folks are complaining that showing that robbery video is unfairly tarnishing Brown by “bringing up his past.” Well yes, I suppose technically speaking, ten minutes ago is “the past.” Brilliant.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      I think it’s L’Genius. <;-D

      • Irishgirl

        Ha!

  • kjh64

    No, Jim Crow would never work. Having it in a society would just create tension. The best thing would be separate countries where each race could do their own thing. There is of course a zero percent chance of that happening.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      It requires cataclysm. Then it will happen. A well placed meteor. Then we see true colors. It’s a shame we have to pray for meteors to get our country back, though. Maybe Ebola? Ya gotta have dreams.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Drop that rock right into the Arabian Sea. Right about there…

      • anony

        How about a massive solar flare? The EMP effect would fry nearly all of the power grids.

        This would take years to repair since the transformer producers would be off-line too.

        We would all be back to pre-electricity times after the fuel ran out.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          That is in the Top 5, no doubt. And very little contingency is in place, as you indicate. Just the White preppers.

          • anony

            Yes, and I think we’re overdue for a killer flare.

            Imagine the utter chaos that would ensue.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Makes me want to buy ammo. <;-D

          • SoulInvictus

            Same here, but good lord the price of it now. Checked yesterday and nearly everything was around $50 a box. Can’t do much practicing with those kinds of prices…
            Walmart is rationing .22 LR sales now. Preppers are eating it all up so there’s none left over… I really hope things calm down for a bit so ammo prices drop and stocks replenish like they have with AR’s this past year. The pawn shop I frequent can’t even get rid of theirs after the glut of panic buying the past few years.
            Things settle down, AR’s are going to be priced like an SKS in short order.

          • anony

            Practice with .22; I know it’s not ideal but it does help. Also, I have a nice RMS pellet gun in .22. The pellets are even cheaper.

          • SoulInvictus

            You have to show up at 9AM on Saturday just to maybe get a box or two of .22 LR now. These preppers drive me a little nuts eating up all the .22 rounds, because it’s not the Feds buying those.
            I just don’t see how target practice with a .22 would help develop my skills with a 7.62, .30-06, 9mm or .357. I might as well shoot a BB gun…
            Not that the .22 isn’t useful, and I have both a revolver and rifle in that caliber, but also not what I’m needing to get better with, or would ever use in a life or death situation given any other option at all. I might even go for my axe before I would the .22 revolver…
            But then I’m really good with the axe…:)

          • anony

            I have to disagree with you concerning the usefulness of practicing with .22 . My favorite calibre is 7.62 and I’ve used it for decades. But when it comes to practicing trigger control and breathing, the .22 works just fine. I’m a long range shooter, 500+ yards, and while I’m not world-class, I can hold my own.

            Your frustration about purchasing .22 is understandable. You might have better luck finding some online.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I hear, in Connecticut, you need a pistol permit to buy ammo. That EMP or meteor better come quick.

          • SoulInvictus

            Hopefully not too quick, I don’t have nearly enough toilet paper.
            Or solar panels, or ammo, or…

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I need another panel, now that you mention it. Especially if it’s a meteor. Won’t be much sun.

          • SoulInvictus

            Telling you man, toilet paper and tampons will be like gold bullion.

          • anony

            buy the huge “commercial roles”; they’re cheaper and easier to store.

          • anony

            I can’t imagine using gold bullion in either case. LOL

          • SoulInvictus

            Now that…provoked quite the mental image.

          • anony

            Well, the thinking man will surely have his battle-rattle handy.

        • SoulInvictus

          lol, just said almost the same thing above before reading down to your post.
          We’re one cough of the sun away from Thunderdome.

      • SoulInvictus

        Wouldn’t even take that, look up “Carrington event” and imagine the effect on today’s world.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    ‘….If They Refuse to Hear Us, We Will Make Them Feel Us…’

    –the virgin mother, Sybrina Fulton, of the Skittle Jesus
    .

    • evilsandmich

      By burning down their own neighborhood.
      Perhaps she should rethink that strategy, though she won’t.

  • Alucard_the_last

    As far as I’m concerned, the cop is a hero and should be treated as such.

    • Luca

      He should get a medal…along with a sharpshooters badge.

  • Lord Sandwich

    This whole mess is not about Michael Brown. It’s all black melodrama theatre. Like the Travon affair it’s really about normalizing lawless, anti social, violent thug behavior. They want to mainstream their affinity for third-world chaos. That’s why no amount of exposure of the truth makes any difference. They KNOW that they are thugs who attack citizens and police. This is what they want. They want civil society to just lay down and let them destroy us without any push-back. The ultimate goal of all this is to criminalize our attempts to defend ourselves from rampant black criminality. That is why they shriek and cry over stand your ground laws. They want us to surrender BEFORE they kill us.

  • evilsandmich

    Cut off EBT to the affected areas and then they’ll have to worry about working instead of rioting and getting wasted (optimistically speaking).

  • propagandaoftruth

    Really? You weren’t there were you?

    Ever been a beat cop in one of those places? Ever taught school at a minority-majority high school? Ever been around large numbers of Ghetto blacks on a regular basis, who generally hate you because you’re White AND an authority figger?
    Have you ever put your life in danger in a deadly environment on a daily basis? Have you ever been attacked by a 300 lb negro while his fellow watch and cheer him on?

    IF you had shot down a 300 lb negro that attacked you, how long would you stick around with no back up in an increasingly hostile black mob situation? Sounds to me like you think the cop should have let himself be killed to prove he aint’ no rayciss.

    Wake up or marry a negro and hate yourself.

    • John R

      Yep. Looks like a bleeding heart snuck into our website.

    • Copenhagen23

      “unarmed prison”. Definitely Black. Memories of his time spent in prison seem to have surfaced while he was typing.

      • propagandaoftruth

        Nice catch. I was going to curse him for being a treacherous eloi white libtard, but something clued me into a vision of blackness.

        Funny how the subconscious works…

        You can smell ‘em even when not in their physical presence.

        When it dawned on me the poster is black, my anger subsided, replaced with contempt. At least he’s loyal to his evil own, as opposed to a traitor to his decent family.

    • Whitetrashgang

      Authority figger? Obama?

      • propagandaoftruth

        The long legged mac daddy is nothing if not quite the figger.

        Zip figger in charge.

  • mobilebay

    Until all the facts are in, it’s foolish to make a judgement. I do know, however, that a death does not call for a mob running wild, looting stores and taking merchandise from innocent store owners. This is so reminicent of New Orleans after Katrina.

  • Whitetrashgang

    Unarmed prison?When will we learn?

  • willbest

    I must admit it looked bad, but now that we know certain things weren’t true and Brown had a reason to be on edge, it looks justified.

    I know a few upper middle class blacks, and the ones that have expressed an opinion have come down on the side of murder. And no further revelations has even caused them to question that belief. It seems like what they know somehow becomes part of who they are and to reject it is to reject themselves, which they cannot do.

  • DonReynolds

    Self-defense is never murder.
    Ethnic groups did not get that message with the Zimmerman case and they are not going to get that message in Ferguson, Missouri.
    In addition, anyone who attacks the police is guilty of suicide. That is exactly how much sympathy I have for anyone who attacks the police. Yes, they carry a gun and a badge, and they will use deadly force LAWFULLY to stop a threat.
    The public also knows that anyone violent enough to attack the police are an even greater danger to the rest of society.

  • Nancy

    Excellent post! I wish it would fit on a bumper sticker.

  • DonReynolds

    In my family, we always say it is better to be tried by 12, than carried by 8.