Welby Flies to Africa Telling Anglicans to Treat Gay People as ‘Children of God’

John Bingham, Telegraph (London), January 29, 2014

The Archbishop of Canterbury is on a collision course with Anglican leaders in Africa as he sets off on a five-day trip to the continent while denouncing new laws persecuting gay people.

The Most Rev Justin Welby and the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, issued a joint letter to the heads of Anglican churches around the world urging them to “demonstrate the love of Christ” to same-sex couples.

It comes just days after the Nigerian president Goodluck Jonathan—with the approval of many Christians—signed harsh new laws making homosexual acts offences punishable with 14 years in prison and with 10 years even for public displays of affection.

The Ugandan parliament also recently passed new laws increasing the punishment for gay sex and making speaking about homosexuality without condemning it an imprisonable offence.

President Yoweri Museveni has so far refused to sign the bill into law.

The Anglican Primate of Nigeria, the Most Rev Nicholas Okoh, is among the most vocal of African church leaders in condemning homosexuality, recently saying that it would incur God’s wrath.

African clerics have also publicly criticised the Church England for the publication of the Piling Report, which recommends special wedding-like services to honour gay couples.

But in their joint letter to all Anglican Primates, the Archbishops speak of people with same-sex attraction as “children of God”.

It comes as the Archbishop of Canterbury embarks on a five-day visit to Africa, meeting church leaders in South Sudan, Rwanda, Burundi, and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

He used a BBC interview earlier this week to condemn homophobia, while reiterating his opposition to gay marriage.

In their letter, the two Archbishops quote a joint communiqué issued by Anglican leaders in 2005 which condemns the “victimisation or diminishment of human beings whose affections happen to be ordered towards people of the same sex” as “anathema”.

“We hope that the pastoral care and friendship that the Communiqué described is accepted and acted upon in the name of the Lord Jesus,” the two archbishops wrote.

“We call upon the leaders of churches in such places to demonstrate the love of Christ and the affirmation of which the Dromantine communiqué speaks.”

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  • dd121

    The archbishop should read the bible. There are numerous references to gayness in there. It doesn’t paint the picture that the gays should be greeted with open arms.

    • JohnEngelman

      Haven’t you heard? God has changed His mind about a few sins.

    • jeffaral

      The archbishop could as well read the Koran, which is much like the Bible.

    • 1gravity

      To those Christians in sub Saharan Africa countries with significant Muslim populations, being preached to this way by the English clergy must come as a stab in the back. There is no question about where the Musilims stand on physical same sex relations, which is how black Africans generally feel about it.

    • me

      Embrace them! Sodomites are wonderful!

  • BonV.Vant

    and here we have page two of the new AMREN funny pages!

    • Lagerstrom

      I’m lovin’ it! Thank you Am Ren!

      • Puggg

        Loose change.

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    Don’t forget, while you’re there, inform the locals that there are now 56 gender options for their Facebook profiles.

  • MekongDelta69

    Ya just gotta love a black dictator with the name of GOODLUCK!

  • David Ashton

    Why not fly his Most Reverend in to mediate between the African “Christians” and “Muslims” who are slicing bits off one another? (Not those bits, I hasten to add, just arms and legs.)

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Welby Flies to Africa Telling Anglicans to Treat Gay People as ‘Children of God’

      And as the spawn of Satan they vow to kill and torture more gay people! When will stupid libtard Whites get it?

      • David Ashton

        One should not judge a book by its cover, but Welby looks and sounds like the immortal “Dear Vicar” caricature of English satire, all gas if no longer gaiters. In the past we were accused of taking the Bible and the Gun into Africa, whereas today we just take “The Guardian” (into safe areas). Well, not “we”.

      • MekongDelta69

        When will stupid libtard Whites get it?

        I’m gonna go with… NEVER for a thousand Alex.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          BING BING BING BING!

          Too bad there’s not a race realist Jeopardy.

          • Brian

            Don’t forget Fambly Feud and Wheel O’ Gibs.

    • Brian

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    The church should be encouraging black Africans to practice homosexuality as a means of population control. Sub-Saharan African countries generally have the highest total fertility rates in the world. More Africans engaging in homosexuality means less starvation, less tribal warfare and less need for western humanitarian aid. It also means less black Africans mass immigrating to western countries. Homosexuality is the black man’s best friend.

    • The Verdict of History

      Very radical and creative approach.

      From this policy-perspective angle, you’d expect homosexuality to increase the incidence of AIDS in Africa.

      This might help with population control.

    • dukem1

      Yeah…but it’s tough to keep it on the “down low”, continent -wide.

  • The Verdict of History

    Secular Gay Fascism – as Newt Gingrich refers to it – is gripping the Reformed Church, and is now creeping into the Roman Church as well.

    I hope that Africans tell the Archbishop to go shove it up his [bleep].

    And then I hope he gets stripped of his title and excommunicated (but he’ll probably get a medal, given who is currently in the Vatican).

    God help us all.

    • Oil Can Harry

      These p.c. weenies Welby and Sentamu are Protestant, they have nothing to do with Pope Francis or the Vatican.

      • Katherine McChesney

        They aren’t true Protestants. They’re apostate.

      • The Verdict of History

        Opps.

        Sorry.

        Thank you for the correction.

        I’ll revise

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        The CoE isn’t genuinely Protestant. I suspect “National Catholicism” would describe the entity rather well.

    • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

      Won’t work, no matter who is in the Vatican. The Church of England separated from Rome when the Pope wouldn’t give Henry VIII a divorce. The head of the CoE is still the reigning English monarch, currently Queen Elizabeth II.

      • IstvanIN

        She is powerless.

        • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

          She has the legal authority to declare war. When you see a lineup of the leaders of the major powers, the British Prime Minister is always in the back row, because the PM is not legally a Head of State. The Queen is.

          • IstvanIN

            In theory but not in actuality. She has the right to be informed and to advise but not much else, unfortunately from my point of view.

  • So CAL Snowman

    “The Archbishop of Canterbury is on a collision course with Anglican
    leaders in Africa as he sets off on a five-day trip to the continent
    while denouncing new laws persecuting gay people.”

    Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales, these are not.

    • Luca

      He’ll be lucky if he isn’t sodomized, disemboweled and barbequed.

      • Oil Can Harry

        He’d probably like the first of those three choices.

  • Spartacus

    “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a
    woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put
    to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.” Leviticus 20:13

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Maybe the “archbishop” should bother reading the Bible once in a while…

    • IstvanIN

      The Jewish Bible I might point out. But then you are a fan of violence.

  • Pelagian

    how many times have you read or heard the word “gay” today? Me, about 700. New NYT headline: “World to End Tomorrow: Gay’s Hardest Hit”

    • Lagerstrom

      One day when I could be bothered I might just count. First thing in the morning I usually hear the BBC world news on the radio on my way to work. That will be a healthy start to the daily tally.

  • Pelagian

    This Bishop would no more jump on a plane to Africa to preach conversion to Jesus Christ (non-ecumenical), but he will to preach sodomy. Great Commission or A$$ Emission?

  • bigone4u

    The MSM have to demonize Russia and Putin at every turn because the Neocons are itching for a nuclear war with Russia and they’re building public support for that. Putin has humiliated Obama at every turn and so Putin must be punished, even if tens of millions die in a senseless war.

    • Long Live Dixie

      Why would the neo-cons want nuclear war with Russia? That is a war they would not win.

      • bigone4u

        One world government as part of the grand plan. The Russian population is less than half ours; the neocons think they can win. Read the posts on this subject by Paul Craig Roberts and also by Pat Buchanan.

  • bigone4u

    No wonder the Anglican churces are empty every Sunday. I wouldn’t attend a church that preached sodomy.

  • dd121

    I got turned off immediately to the Olympics because NBCs Bob Costas and Barack Obama made the whole thing about the gay agenda. Obama sends his delegation of gays and Costas lectured us on the subject. It was completely “in your face” so I just turned it off. Can’t we even watch the Olympics without leftist propaganda shoved down our throats?

    • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

      No, the Left won’t allow it. They have to shove their Communist agenda down our throats at every opportunity . . . uh, that’s because they’re such a ‘loving’ and ‘tolerant’ bunch.

      • Brian

        Totali-tolerance.

    • IstvanIN

      This isn’t about the “gay agenda”, this is about poking a stick in Putin’s eye, pure and simple. How much real freedom is there in Red China? Not much, most expression is tightly censored, but China, not being a White nation, largely gets a pass. Despite the fall of the USSR the US seems intent on making Russia out to be the bad guys any chance it gets. The US likes to torment Russia, which is why it likes to pick up former satellite nations as NATO nations.

      Is Putin the greatest thing since sliced bread? Probably not, but we hamper Russia’s attempts to become a free, representative society, and probably strengthen Putin’s position, by attacking him and his government so publicly. No one wants their nation or leader to be humiliated. He may be a bastard, but he’s their bastard.

      • dd121

        It’s hard to tell who the real Putin is since all the news from there gets filtered through our press. There are a lot of things he’s done that I like. Also, since our leftists hate him so much he can’t be all bad.

        • IstvanIN

          I agree, I find it hard to make an opinion on his actions based on our very biased press. His restrictions on freedom of speech and his attacks on his political opponents make me wary, but then maybe he is the transitional leader Russia needs. History will tell.

          • jackryanvb

            What’s not to like about Vladimir Putin? He puts George Soros styled Oligarchs in public cages, sends cultural Marxist punk rock pandas to hard labor in Siberia, wins the second war against Muslim bandit scum in Chetnia, confronts Obama and Neo Conservative traitors to not attack Iran or fund Jihadist throat cutters in Syria.

            vladimir Putin is everything I want in a leader and more.

          • Brian

            Compare:

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            The shaved bare chest makes him appear somewhere between “really gay” and “oh my God”, somewhere closer to the latter. I’m 3/16 injun, but even I have a much hairier chest than this wannabe despot.

          • Allan477

            How do you know he shaves his chest? Many Slavic and Germanic men have very little and very light-colored chest hair. And the ones I know are anything but gay.

          • Lagerstrom

            Sheesh! He’s got no chest hair! I’ve got quite a bit, British Isles and German I be. But some of my brethren don’t have much. Speaking of that, my younger brother has no where near as much as I do. He came ’round to my place the other day with his ‘Rolling Stones’ singlet on.

        • Lagerstrom

          Yes, if hysterical leftists hate him, he’s probably not too bad.

      • dukem1

        It would be nice to have a POTUS who was as much of a Yankee is as Putin is a Russki.

        • IstvanIN

          But then we would need a president who is an actual American, and we haven’t had one since Reagan.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            Sadly, nobody is going to elect one of us anytime soon.

          • Luca

            Jared Taylor for President 2016!

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            I doubt Mr. Taylor would want the job.

      • T.J. Jackson

        U.S.leadership are silly little school boys ..

    • jackryanvb

      Sorry you were turned off. Please turn back in. Barack Obama. Anti White DIVERSITY and a bob Costas are no where to be seen. Bob Costas got taken out with pink eye infection. My prayers and curses worked great. Our side is winning everything and our athletes are talented, beautiful and celebrating pan European peace and respect.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        I feel responsible for that in a way. I wrote early this past week that I never understood NBC’s love of Costas in the national anchor chair for Olympics, even though I’m supposed to make excuses for him as he’s an honorary St. Louisan. I think Al Michaels would be much better in prime time, (more gravitas), and NBC does have Michael doing weekend afternoons.

        So, Costas goes and gets a case of the pink eye, as if I cursed him, and what does NBC do? Give us the morning twits Matt Lauer and then Meredith Vieira.

        • dd121

          I agree that Al Michaels would have been better. But whoever it was their agenda is set by the owners/directors/producers of the program. The “queer” thing would probably would have been the same regardless the host.

    • Garrett Brown

      Why would you even give something on NBC a chance in the first place?

  • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

    Oh just what the world needs more of – namely, Leftist whites sticking their noses in every nation’s business on behalf of ‘human rights’ and the great multicultural rainbow! I wouldn’t necessarily endorse laws persecuting and killing homosexuals, but I can’t blame the African leaders for not wanting the kind of gay immorality, filth, debauchery and perversion we see everyday in cities such as San Francisco and New York. This doesn’t imply that heterosexuals can’t also be perverted, but homosexuals take it to an entirely new level.

    The so-called Archbishop and other clerics aligned with him are Leftists masquerading as devout, Bible-believing Christians. Truth is, they’ve all been educated in liberal religious schools which do their best to undermine the Bible’s historical reliability and veracity. They’re are a bunch of religious conmen bent on converting the entire world to their Utopian schemes.

    It’s one thing to say I don’t agree with the Bible’s message against homosexuality, it’s quite another – and intellectually dishonest as well – to say the Bible doesn’t actually teach that homosexuality is immoral.

  • Katherine McChesney

    Soon, the pope will say the same thing.

    And then the world will rejoice.

    • dd121

      I feel sorry for conservative Catholics. I don’t know what they must be thinking about where their religion went.

      • jackryanvb

        Is there an on line, underground, pro White Catholic Church? How about the one funded by Mel Gibson and his dad?

      • Katherine McChesney

        I meant my comment to be sarcastic.

        • dd121

          Oh, ok. It’s sometimes hard to tell emotional nuance on the internet :)>.

    • jackryanvb

      Is the a Pope Catholic?

      With this latest Liberation a theology a pope that blesses the Black African Muslim invasion of Italy, ai would say “No” this ones not Catholic.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        He’s just evil.

  • Long Live Dixie

    With leadership like this, no wonder the churches in England are empty.

  • IstvanIN

    They (Welby and Sentamu) aren’t “preaching sodomy”, they are simply against persecuting gays. Persecuting anyone simply for being, such as the Knock-out Game here in America, to name one of many, is wrong, not Christian and certainly not in keeping with a modern, civilized society. That being said he is barking up the wrong tree, not only does he have no right to interfere in a foreign countries internal affairs, Africans can not even treat each other with much in the way of civility. Tribal and religious warfare is still rife, women are treated terribly, Whites are horribly discriminated against and murdered on a regular basis, political opponents are murdered on a regular basis, their whole society is a mess. Better to get the African’s out of the UK and lead by example. Maybe in a century or two they will have evolved to be empathetic and evolved creatures.

    • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

      “Maybe in a century or two they will have evolved to be empathetic and evolved creatures.”

      Make those centuries millennia and then add several zeroes.

      • IstvanIN

        In that case my math skills aren’t good enough to track African evolution.

  • Mentious

    Didn’t Christ get pretty pissed off about “corruption” and stuff? And didn’t the love of Christ toward sinners go something like:

    “Go, and sin no more”?

  • jeffaral

    Christians in Africa use to burn homos alive. Christianity and Africans combined results in an explosive mix.

  • Fr. John+

    “The Most Rev Justin Welby and the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, issued a joint letter to the heads of Anglican churches around the world urging them to “demonstrate the love of Christ” to same-sex couples.”

    Funny. I don’t see how ‘love’ and ‘abomination’ mean the same thing- either in the original Greek or English. And it’s not a coincidence that the word in Greek that God says is an abomination, literally means ‘arse coitus.’ Can’t get much clearer than that.

    ‘Dr. Welby,’ your patient (the C of E) is dying. Why can’t you be ‘Father Knows Best’ and follow THE Fathers, instead of the ‘spirit of the age’?

  • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

    How is a primitive, hard-scrabble society well-served when an otherwise OK guy is forced to marry against his will, and then ignores his poor wife?

    My favorite line about this subject in any movie is in “Little Big Man”, when the formerly gay Lakota brags to the protagonist – played by Dustin Hoffman – that he has a wife and three horses. Hoffman’s character then admits with a tired sigh, “I have a horse and three wives.”

  • jackryanvb

    Some White Christian missionaries deserve to end up in the canibal’s pot.

    I note that White Slavic people never try to spread Liberal, Leftist nonsense to Black Africans. Russians had Ivan the Terrible, Stalin now the good and great Vladimir Putin. Russians have never and and will never tolerate Jimmy Carter, Bob Geldoff, Pussy Riot, or Anglican Bishops pushing for BOTh homosexual marriage equality AND unrestricted Muslim immigration – somehow, it’s supposed to be “holy”.

  • Luca

    Don’t forget, the Russians are not big fans of the kosher crowd either. Therefore wholesale MSM condemnation appears whenever the opportunity presents itself.

  • Garrett Brown

    I hope they eat the archbishop.

  • Brian

    At the very least, the Western refugee assessor should be required to prove the tribesman’s claim of homosexual orientation, with an on-the-spot test involving himself and said tribesman. You know, for the sake of doing things by the book.

  • Brian

    both parts of the bible make for fascinating reading and have keen
    insight into human nature but neither can really completely be applied to the 21st century countries….
    ===
    I don’t know about you but sometimes I can’t remember if I’m allowed to muzzle my ox while it’s treading out the grain, and just the other day I accidentally killed a neighbor’s slave and had to look up the correct number of shekels to pay him in recompense. So there’s that… ;-)

    • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

      I don’t covet my neighbor’s wife. The OT says I can’t have catfish (no scales), crayfish (bottom-crawling scavengers) or pork, but that I am allowed to eat crickets and locusts. This seems rather unfair.

  • Truth Teller

    The archbishop should not antagonize the African Anglicans. In England the Anglican churches are empty. If he wants his Church to survive, he should make an effort to accommodate the Africans culture. After all, in England the Bishops have advocated every weirdo liberal idea around for 70 years. So they should accept the Africans dissident and unorthodox ideas about homosexuality.