Lawyer: State’s Main Witness in George Zimmerman Murder Case Lied

Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel, March 5, 2013

Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend, the state’s most important witness in the George Zimmerman murder case, was caught in a lie, it was revealed Tuesday.

It was not the first piece of misinformation tied to her, but it was the most damaging to date and left prosecutors in a very awkward position.

They had to publicly acknowledge that their star witness had lied under oath and had to answer questions about what they intend to do about it.

Reporters asked: Will you charge the 19-year-old Miami woman with perjury?

The state’s lead prosecutor, Bernie de la Rionda, gave an ambiguous answer: “You can all read the law and make your own decision.”

The woman had told prosecutors she was in the hospital on the day of Trayvon’s funeral.

“In fact, she lied,” defense attorney Don West said.

The disclosure was one of two major developments Tuesday at what had been expected to be a dull hearing about the exchange of case evidence.

The other: Zimmerman’s lawyers will not hold a “stand your ground” hearing in April, one that could clear him of criminal wrongdoing before his trial.

Defense attorney Mark O’Mara made that announcement in court, later saying he had not yet decided whether to scrap it entirely or roll it into Zimmerman’s second-degree-murder trial set for June 10.

“Our real focus is getting ready for the trial,” O’Mara said.

What Zimmerman most wants is to be tried by a jury of his peers, O’Mara said, and with fewer than 100 days until trial, “There’s only time for one hearing, and that’s a jury trial. … We have precious little time.”

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Zimmerman, a 29-year-old former Neighborhood Watch volunteer, called Sanford police Feb. 26, 2012, describing Trayvon as suspicious. Zimmerman shot the unarmed high-school junior a few minutes later, saying he fired in self-defense after the Miami Gardens 17-year-old punched him, broke his nose, then began pounding his head onto a sidewalk.

Sanford police found no witnesses to the initial confrontation, but Trayvon’s family attorney, Benjamin Crump, found something close: Trayvon’s girlfriend, identified in court records as “witness 8.” She told Crump she had been on the phone with Trayvon just before the shooting.

According to an interview Crump recorded after the shooting, the young woman said Trayvon told her a stranger was following him, and he was scared. Trayvon got away from him once, but the man reappeared, she said, and she heard Trayvon ask, “‘What are you following me for?’“

The man answered, “‘What are you doing here?’“ she said, and then she said the man must have pushed Trayvon because the phone went dead.

The woman gave de la Rionda a very similar account during a sworn statement April 2, and when his office wrote up its probable-cause affidavit, charging Zimmerman with second-degree murder, it rehashed her account but did not include her allegation that she heard Zimmerman push Trayvon.

Despite’s Tuesday’s revelation, there is no indication the woman lied about what she heard on the phone the evening Trayvon was shot. But she appears to have given Crump another piece of bad information: her age.

He told reporters in March, when he played excerpts from the recorded interview, that she was 16 years old. In fact, she was 18 at the time. Crump has said he did not knowingly misrepresent her age.

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  • http://twitter.com/seedymedia r j p

    Being a liar is tough, because you have to remember all the lies.

    • Felix_M

      Only if you (and your listeners) understand the importance of consistency.

  • GB101

    The state’s lead prosecutor, Bernie de la Rionda, gave an ambiguous answer: “You can all read the law and make your own decision.”

    Is the prosecutor an imbecile? Is it up to the reporters asking the question to make a decision? I can think of several reasonable answers? Yes. No. We don’t know yet. We are not ready to release that information. But to respond by telling the reporter to read the law and “make your own decision”?? Is he an imbecile?

    • josh

      Testosterone is said to influenece intelligence,with regard to logical thinking. As he seems to be sans testicles,yes,maybe he is an imbecile.

    • libertarian 1234

      “Is the prosecutor an imbecile?:

      That was exactly my first thought when I read it.

      • Felix_M

        Twenty bright, shiny trade-beads say Ms. LaRionda is an AA hire.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Actually, that is the response you get when you try to get a specific in a case that is ongoing. “Look it up and think for yourself,” is actually an astute and appropriate response to reporters and others.

      • GB101

        The reporter did not ask what the law is. The reporter asked the prosecutor what his intentions are, that is, if he is planning to prosecute her. I am certain that the law grants the prosecutor discretion, and he could decide yes or no depending on various circumstances.

        I agree that he has no obligation to state his intentions. He could say “I don’t have any comment to make at this time” or “we are still considering all the factors and have not decided yet.” But to invite the reporter to read the law and make a decision makes no sense. This answer is neither astute or appropriate.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          So the prosecutor was dumb for not laying out her strategy to the reporter? Reporter’s can and often ask really inane questions to try to catch someone off guard so that they can run with the leak or otherwise profit on a lead of some sort. That is all that was going on here.

  • Daisy

    She also asked the detective who interviewed her in the video recording, “Is that what you want me to say?” Sorry don’t have the link.

    • brengunn

      If that is true, all her evidence should be thrown out as she’s clearly unreliable.

      • libertarian 1234

        Something these follow up news stories don’t ever mention is that Zimmerman passed two lie detector tests when he related his story to the police.

        http://www.newsmax.com/US/US-Neighborhood-Watch/2012/06/26/id/443555

        That this Angela Corey had the gall to charge this guy at all proves unequivocally that shes a crooked Nifong type liar who wants a conviction even if it condemns an innocent man. She needs to be tried for malfeasance, and the state of florida should be sued.. .as well as many black leaders, talking heads on T.V. the bizarre looking black congresswoman, and anybody else who declared this was a stalking murder.

        Let them riot. They won’t, because they’re too cowardly.
        ..

        • StillModerated

          It’s the seriousness of the allegations.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Look, reporters are tying to deliberate the case for the press. She’s refusing to play. She cannot play, no smart attorney would. Saying dumb things or making double-talk responses is being political about it.

  • anarchyst

    “Saint” Trayvon was a thug that got what he deserved . . .
    It is clear that Zimmerman was protecting his neighborhood when he asked Trayvon what business he had in that neighborhood.
    The “average” person would have replied that he was visiting relatives–that would have been the end of the conversation and he would have been on his way.
    One must understand the warped psychological pathology that exists in today’s blacks and “gangsta thugs”.
    You see, Trayvon felt “disrespected” when asked about his presence in that neighborhood. The only way for him to get his “respect” back was to jump, pummel (and possibly murder) Zimmerman.
    Zimmerman did the only thing that he could . . .
    The “stand your ground” statute was not applicable because Trayvon was ON TOP of Zimmerman, beating his brains out. Zimmerman could not have “retreated” in this case.
    This prosecutor that has brought charges on Zimmerman is pandering to racist, black pressure and is illegal on its face.
    If and when Zimmerman is acquitted, I would like to see him go after the prosecutor for “prosecutorial malpractice”.

    • HamletsGhost

      There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood. All we have is this makaka’s say-so.

      • libertarian 1234

        You’re exactly right.

        There is evidence however that Trayboon doubled back after he took off running to confront Zimmerman.

        This black girlfriend lied when she said Zimmerman pushed Trayboon too. How can you detect a push over the telephone? And she never mentioned it until later.

        Also, she alleges the phone went dead, but she didn’t call 911 and I’m betting Trayboon’s phone will not show she called him back either after the phone allegedly went dead, and she certainly didn’t phone the police. Absolute nonsense.

        She’s stupid and she’s going to claim other things and be caught in more lies I’m pretty sure. I mean, these are the people who post their felony criminal assaults on the Hiphop channel, because they’re so proud of what they did, too dumb to understand its damning evidence in a court of law.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          Her witness quality is court tv worthy.

    • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

      If and when Zimmerman is acquitted, I would like to see him go after the prosecutor for “prosecutorial malpractice”. If he’s acquitted, he won’t have time to sue anyone since Holder will bring him up on some sort of Federal hate crime charges.

      • tickyul

        Yes, I believe you nailed it. Zimmerman is going away for a long time…one way or another!

        • rebelcelt

          He stands a good chance of it because of the goofy stunts he has pulled.

          • tickyul

            YES, Zimmerman saving his own life…….how goofy!

          • rebelcelt

            I am not talking of saving his own life. I am talking about misleading the judge about his finacial situation. When he takes the stand the prosecutor will point out how he lied in court already. He disappeared and did not tell his lwyers. Then, he apologizes to the family. That implies guilt. He has handeled other things stupidly like, not saying anything through the press through his lawyers so that he is way behind in the p.r. dept.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Many posters here don’t have much of a handle on the legal ramifications or procedural protocols, but like to make wild statements for the sake or their own therapeutic needs.

          • tickyul

            Yes, I understand all that you are saying. I am also aware that Zimmerman has made several missteps after the shooting. I think these issues you mention are tertiary at best.
            Big Brother is going to send Zimmerman away via the State or Feds……..mainly for the purpose of appeasing Urban Americans. His fate was sealed the day he off’ed that darlin Urban American Yute.

      • rebellisMMXII

        Holder will have a conviction.

        • Anon

          No he won’t. But Zimmerman will still go to jail. You’ve seriously underestimate how far down into third world status the US has sunk. In the past, (ie Rodney King) the state has felt obligated to come up with something, ANYTHING before sending political prisoners to their fate.

          I seriously doubt they will bother anymore. And I will tell you one other thing. If anyone cooperate with a gun grab in any manner, I guarantee you that even asking questions like, “what happened to that guy, Zimmerman” will result in the jack boot treatment.

          Realistically, I don’t think that will happen in the US. Instead, I think the US will shrink to about half its current size….and these sorts of things WILL happen in the areas abandoned.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          Holder is not involved in this trial except as a spectator who happens to hold a high office.

      • Luca

        He’ll be acquitted on the criminal charges and after the routine “Jesse and Al’s Buffoon and Comedy Show”, Holder will hit Zimmerman with a civil suit for a violation of Trayvon’s civil rights.

        The Martin family will not fade away without a payday of some sort. Maybe they’ll be satisfied to do a few Nike commercials or something.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          I don’t think a Federal AT can do that. The civil suit would have to be on the state level and the family would have to make it.

          • liberalsuck

            Since when do the Feds respect state rights? Did they respect them back in the 50s and 60s when they forced integration? Did they respect state rights back in 1861? Being that our federal government has gotten increasingly anti-white and tyrannical, what makes you think they’ll respect state or individual rights?

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I know that complaining for its own sake has its place on this site, but the fact is that it is a matter of jurisdiction. A civil trial would take place in the state court system. Since no state lines were crossed, this is a state case. Civil cases are filed and tried in state superior courts.

          • MBlanc46

            It won’t be a civil wrongful death suit. It will be a civil rights violation prosecution. It’s the same move that they made with the Rodney King cops. Except this time, I don’t think Zimmerman will be acquitted.

      • kerrysmith

        I think the term is ‘prosecutorial misconduct’, but I’m with you!

        • rebellisMMXII

          Okay folks, Holder may be a bit high in the food chain for this situation. OF course that didn’t stop Obama claiming near familial feeling for St. Skittles. And suggestions of “prosecutorial misconduct” will be branded as racist.

    • StillModerated

      After Trayvon’s early check-out the burglaries, monkeyshines, and mischief in GZ’s neighborhood mysteriously ceased.

      • kerrysmith

        So either Trayvon was even more active than we know, or others were deterred by his exit from this mortal coil.

    • Anon

      None of that matters. What matters is that our rogue federal government took the insane side of the blacks on this. And the craven local authorities, although they knew full well what the law says, abandoned Zimmerman in the face of what amounts to political imprisonment.

      The US is NOT a free republic with the rule of law. ONLY the parts of the US where people are ready to shoot Obama’s minions on sight and the local government backs up that sentiment, is that still true. That’s at least half of the US.

      The rest of the nation is a banana republic, where you can be snatched up at anytime for the non-crimes of simply angering an unelected oligarch….like what has happened to Zimmerman.

      Zimmerman has already won his case. The law couldn’t be more crystal clear on the matter. He is still going to jail. Because he’s in a kangaroo court and his fate depends on whims and politics….not laws. Laws are…..irrelevant.

      On a related note. Have you noticed there are almost no guns for sale in any gun store you go into? They’ve all been bought up and most manufacturers I talk to mention a two to three year backlog.

      If you don’t think those two stories are related, you have some nasty surprises in your future.

      My advice. Move….and prepare for a civil war.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Miller/100004334405350 Bill Miller

        My prediction: Zimmerman will walk free after being found ‘not guilty’ by a jury of his peers. Then the Congoids will go crazy in Florida and maybe elsewhere. The National Guard will be called in. ‘Urban youths’ will seek out and attack random whites, one or more of the whites will be armed, and will shoot down a feral youth or two. The situation could escalate.

        This nation is sitting on a tinder box called ‘race relations.’ More and more white people are waking up, and are fed up. The ‘white guilt bank,’ as Ann Coulter calls it, is closing. Sales of guns and ammo is like nothing we’ve seen before. This country is preparing for some kind of civil war.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          I tend to agree with you because history illustrates this and the witness for Trayboon is so easily debunked. But the “rage” is out there and the flash mobs have been practicing under the loving auspice of government and media together.

          • liberalsuck

            It doesn’t matter if the Travon story is ‘fiction.’ Most blacks don’t research or think logically. They still think it was a white guy (excuse me, “White Hispanic”) that shot a black teenager. That’s all they’re focused on. Add that into the “we got a black man in office” and with blacks being fed constant “it’s white people holding us back” and with blacks knowing whites for so long won’t fight back, they will go crazy George is found not guilty. Read the headlines, “Racist gets set free.”

        • MBlanc46

          There will be blacks on the jury, so the probability of a “not guilty” are slim. A hung jury is his best outcome, after which they’ll re-try him until they get a conviction.

    • Joseph

      Geez, even that detestable Alan Dershowitz months ago said that the prosecutor should be dismissed and possibly also prosecuted for engaging in clearly criminal conduct in this case.

    • Dave4088

      I agree 100%, but in Obama and Holder’s Amerika, it is a hate crime for a white person or “white Hispanic” to prevent a member of the black master race from committing a crime.

  • Luca

    I can hear one of the black female jurors in the deliberation room right now: ” Yeah, well maybe she lied about where she was, maybe she lied about her age and maybe she lied about a few other things, but dat don’t mean she not tellin the troof bout Trayvon”.

    • HamletsGhost

      “Troof” to Negroes is whatever they decide it to be. They don’t see it as something outside of themselves as whites traditionally have, but more like rules that kids make up on the fly while inventing a new game for themselves. It probably explains why so many of them are into voodoo and other superstitions.

    • tickyul

      Yes, I believe the jury will be packed with Urban Americans and White Liberals.

      • BernieGoetzFan

        The county is mostly working class white and Hispanic so they will likely see this as a clear case of self defense.

        • tickyul

          I hope you are right…….I would LOVE to see Urban Americans burn down their own “hoods” again.

  • josh

    How could she tell the truth? Get death threats? be hated in the “black community”,be a sell-out etc tec. And ,btw,be cut out of the Trayvon money. His parents are livin’ large,y’all!They sure miss Trayvon–who wouldnt miss such a golden child?– but havin dem Mercedes Banz sho hepps ‘em foget day pain!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Peterson/100003526607299 Jesse Peterson

    The dimwitted lawyer for No Limit Niqqa’s fambly has been using the girlfriend’s story as the primary basis for his case. Her story has been falling apart bit by bit.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      But the prosecutor thinks by now he has too much skin in the game to back off.

  • guest

    Blacks have had a few episodes of race riots over past decades, and have generally received an outpouring of sympathy after these incidents. “We must do more!” is the reaction.

    I think times have changed now, especially thanks to the web and to Youtube. Whites are not going to be as sympathetic, after 50 years and trillions of dollars of gibsmedat.

    I believe GZ will be acquitted and we will have race riots. This time it might not follow the same script as it has in all the race riots of the past 50 years.

    Something has changed. Why is all the ammo sold out? There aren’t any real ammo ban proposals. The mad ammo buying binge includes ammo components like cast lead bullets (for revolvers) that no one believes will be banned. Fear of a ban is not what is driving the sales. It’s something else.

    • rush limpballs

      black groups storming and looting malls and attacking random whites for sport and etc are why ammo and guns are almost sold out.

    • Luca

      I don’t know about others who are buying ammo, but I’m getting ready to stand some ground.

      • liberalsuck

        Me as well. I will stand lone if I have to. I’m not going to a be a victim!

    • Liberalsuck

      I saw a college yearbook from the late 60s where it highlighted the fact Dick Gregory (a black “comedian”) was a speaker at the school and warned whites that the riots would continue until “whites address grievances of blacks.” I don’t think that will even work with young whites today as it did back then. You are right that fear of gun and ammo bans are driving up the sales as well and limiting the availability of ammo.

  • Tom Iron

    Of course. Blacks lie even when they don’t have to.

    • Uh-Oh

      I know from personal experience this is so true. A white person lying to the same degree would be considered “pathological” by other whites, and future dialogues with them would be useless, since you’d never know if they were telling you truth about anything. But anyone who doesn’t actually expect this from blacks is only setting themselves up.

    • Anon

      Lying implies there is some truth they are hiding. If you observe this issue with blacks long enough, you will realize that, what is happening is they are literally forgetting details and then making them up on the spot. Most blacks cannot tell you things like 1) their phone number, 2) their address, 3) the names of their children, 4) the real names of the people they had children with…..in many cases, they long ago forgot their real names and go by nicknames.

      This makes it extremely difficult to hold a conversation with them. It both helps and hinders law enforcement. Example. A black guy will be standing next to a jewelry store with the alarm going off. He’s got a bunch of stolen merchandise in his hands. A cop stops him and asks him if he broke the window to rob the store. The black person says yes. Then admits to stealing a whole bunch of stuff. When the cops put cuffs on him, he is surprised. Why am I being arrested….cough. Looking at the surveillance video reveals that no, in fact the black didn’t break the glass….someone else did. A gang of 4 or 5 did it, grabbed a bunch of stuff and peeled away in a car. This black guy though saw what happened and just scooped up some stolen merchandise left over. Since he didn’t actually break the window, he wonders why he’s going to jail….even though he just said he did it, because he had stuff in his hand so , of course he must have did it. Notice, no mention of the gang that just robbed the store.

      So he goes in front of the judge. He can’t answer what is telephone number is, where he lives nor his full name…..only his street name. When asked, he says he didn’t say anything to the cops, even though they have the whole thing on dashboard cam. When asked, is that you, he answers no. They run his prints and there is a laundry list of crimes under a different name, which he has forgotten. When he asks if he’s ever been in trouble with the law, he says no.

      Sentenced to 5 years, all he has to think on the matter is the system be rayciss.

      He’s not wrong. Our system of justice presupposes alot of things that are true for whites but not true for blacks. He doesn’t belong here and half of his crimes are societies fault for allowing what amounts to a violent mental patient or vicious animal run loose.

  • joesolargenius

    It is my most earnest wish that Mr Zimmerman stands his ground in court and walks away a free man !

    • HamletsGhost

      And a rich man too. He’s already filed lawsuit against MSNBC for deliberately falsifying the audiotape to make it look like he was going after Martin because he was black.

      He’d better move fast though. At the rate the big media organs are bleeding red ink, there won’t be much left to sue in a few years.

  • HamletsGhost

    This woman is speaking on the phone with her boo and knows he’s in trouble and the line goes dead and what does she do? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Doesn’t call the police, or call Treytrey’s friends or someone to share her concerns? What kind of girlfriend is that?

    Just not believable. She’s making it up as she goes, and already she’s caught in one lie that she didn’t even need to make. Why did she feel the need to lie about her age?

    I predict she’ll fall apart on the witness stand and the rest of this shambolic case goes down with her.

    • http://twitter.com/seedymedia r j p

      Crump is going to coach the hell out of her before that. She’s going to be trying to remember a script. Unfortunately the script is going to be too long for her feeble mind to remember and she will mess it up.

  • http://twitter.com/HHidmeid Heiny Hidmeid

    So this 19 year old woman was dating a 12 year old trayvon?

    • Uh-Oh

      Maybe she lied about being younger to mitigate any perjury charges that would have come up if/when she was caught lying about everything else. I know that sounds stupid, but that’s the way these people think.

  • Fed Up

    You can always count on Blacks to lie, along with their propensity for doing crimes. Look at Jesse Jackson Jr. Look at the lying Blacks serving in positions of power — mayors, state legislators, even in Congress.

    • libertarian 1234

      “You can always count on Blacks to lie, along with their propensity for doing crimes.”

      And especially Obama and the lying debacle wherein he and his minions declared that the country would have to lay off fireman, police, teachers, and cut back 600,000 military personnel, in addition to so many absurd things the entire affair amounted to the biggest scam to fool the public I’ve ever witnessed in my lifetime.

      • bigone4u

        On those rare occassions when Obongo tells the truth I assume it’s his white half doing the talking:-)

      • yawndawn

        Obama’s falling out as the failure of our ‘first black president’ would be similar or akin ad MLK still been alive. Can you imagine if he wasn’t killed and had lived that he probably would have been exposed? James Earl Ray did more harm than good. He made a martyr out of King. Same thing when John Wilkes Booth killed Liincoln. Violence is only the answer if there is a direct threat on your life or your loved ones. History shows you that it is far better to expose politicians or public scam artists instead of using violence.

    • freespeechzone

      What do you bet that crook, Jesse Jackson, Jr and his thieving wife never see a day in jail for their conversion of campaign monies for personal use.

      Using the race card will work that same way it did for Charles Rangle–who should have been sent to prison for avoiding income taxes….Jackson will be given a pass too..

      Just watch..

  • MekongDelta69

    This is one of those cases where FACTS do not matter. This will be the 180 image of the O.J. case.

    I’ve said it so many times before, it’s becoming monotonous – (unfortunately), Zimmerman is a dead man walking.

  • guest

    it’s most likely that he was casing houses in the area and telling her what he was doing/finding. She is totally lying.

  • trey von’martin

    blacks are now saying ” zimmer beated he owns skull on the groun to makes its looks like the travo beated him up”

  • LastBastionOfHope

    Haha I love it. Blacks can’t even get out of their own way…it really is both sad and hilarious. This is a clear and obvious case of self-defense. The culture had been one in Zimmerman’s neighborhood where tons of young black thugs in hoodies were burglarizing homes. Then Trayvon walks around with a dark hoodie on. Are you telling me I wouldn’t be stopped and asked what I was doing in Detroit with a KKK hood on? Please…he had every right to ask him why he was there. All Trayvon had to do was say “Oh, I’m just here to visit family, see? I have nothing on me.”. Instead, Trayvon jumped him, Zimmerman defended himself, and little Tray Tray is in a long dirt nap. He got what he was begging for.

    • Daisy

      In the weeks, (I think two) before Zimmerman shot Martin a gang of black youths broke into and ransacked a home in the development while a woman and her baby had to lock themselves in an upstairs room. There had been ongoing and even a recent rash of break-ins and I believe incidents of physical violence. But will the MSM report that, along with the violent crime stats for black males? No. Martin had been caught months earlier with a stash of jewels and a screwdriver by school officials, according to Miami Dade County police; I found several articles reporting this.
      If white America knew the actual facts, both micro and macro, Zimmerman would become a folk hero.

      • freespeechzone

        Make NO mistake that IF Zimmerman is not acquitted–blacks will be further encouraged and empowered to increase their violent behavior against Whites–knowing that LE, the courts and Obama/Holder will protect them from prosecution and punishment.

        • Felix_M

          A bad thing…in the short run…but the ensuing blowback could make it worth it…dare I say?

          With the internet and other sources of news, now more credible than the MSM, fewer people now swallow the official party line.

        • Liberalsuck

          What is Holder and the hate-whitey blacks going to do when scores of white people get so pissed off and disregard the rules against them and eventually fight back? White America better start fighting now because it’s not going to get any better.

  • http://twitter.com/BillEBOBB1 Bill E. BOBB

    ” young woman said Trayvon told her a stranger was following him, and he was scared.”

    Now that we have a clear picture of what kind of man trayvon really was, there’s no chance he ever said he was scared, it was probably more like “hold on boo, imma bout to go off on this yt mofo”
    I wonder if the prosecutor would dare polygraph their “star” witness

    • Jefferson

      Yt mofo ? You really think Trayvon Martin thought George Zimmerman was White ? Of the Northern European Nordic WASP type ?

      I doubt it. He most likely could tell George Zimmerman is Hispanic by his appearance. Or a small chance he thought George Zimmerman was Middle Eastern or a dark Southern Italian.

      • http://twitter.com/BillEBOBB1 Bill E. BOBB

        i think when you are juiced up on “lean” you don’t make those kinds of distinctions, and besides, you missed the point

  • Uh-Oh

    Maybe she doesn’t really know how old she is or was at the time. That wouldn’t be surprising. Just typically stupid.

  • PatriotGames

    I personally think that the government is deliberately attempting to incite blacks to commit violence against whites in order to ultimately initiate whites to take up arms and debend themselves. As soon as whites resist, there will be a suspension of our civil rights (those we have left), including the second ammendment and we will be subjected to even more government tyranny. I can see suspension of elections and some form of martial law on the horizon. Beware folks, it is about to get really bad!

    • Commonsense80

      Most of the “elite” whites haven’t the slightest understanding of what is going on. Most were raised in nearly all white communities and attended mostly all white colleges. They have been conditioned since birth with an anti-white bias via education, media, Hollywood, all pop culture, societal peer pressure, perhaps family pressure. The only minorities they encounter in life as peers are the very top from the pool. It is the combination of this ignorance with zealous in-group approval seeking ideological fervor that typically drives them. It takes a very special and remarkable brain to live such a life and to still be beholden to truth and reality.

  • MobyWhite

    Catching a Son of Obama’s girlfriend in a lie is a racist construct.

  • bigone4u

    The evidence clearly indicates Zimm is not guilty of murder. His legal expenses will likely add up to $250k for the criminal trial and just as much for the wrongful death civil lawsuit that hoodie boy’s parents will file. Zimm will be targeted by blacks wherever he goes, be it prison or outside. His life is ruined no matter how this goes down. The US system of black privilege is shameful. I curse the system and the DA prosecuting him.

  • dj2

    The circle continues.

    Remember what this does…to the vast, vast majority of people in America who are not black, there is no incentive to associate with black people, and every incentive to avoid them with a plague.

    Just think about it…why would you put yourself in a position where every breath, every word that comes out of your mouth, every action you take, could be interpreted as “racist” and thereby met with a burst of violence? And if you try to resist that violence, then, no matter what happens (yes, you may very well have to kill), you will be tarred and feathered?

    Don’t the blacks and Jews and liberal talking heads get it? There is no magical, multicultural utopia of everybody hanging around, talking to each other if you are not allowed to do that! Every wrong look or slight becomes a reason to go down the rabbit hole.

    I’m telling you, in America the people who know what they are doing keep to themselves. It’s just really sad that it’s come to this. You can’t even organize to defend your neighborhood.

  • PesachPatriot

    This case seems to be falling apart already and there are still 3 more months until the trial begins. I bet the family tries to work out a settlement with zimmerman’s lawyers for some money and calls it a day….it also seems that most of the local blacks have stopped caring for the most part….i’m not seeing lots of RIP trayvon shirts like when the incident first occured. I don’t think any rioting will occur outside of already pretty bad parts of miami and ft. lauderdale….the national guard will be called out before the really nice homes of wealthy snowbirds in broward and palm beach are threatened.

  • rebelcelt

    Stand your ground infers the ability to escape. Zimmerman had no capcity to escape when a younger ,bigger, stronger and faster opponent is beating you up.

  • reverse revisionism

    The whole thing is a lie. The only reason charges were filed against Zimmerman was of course the pc factor and the Sharpton Jackson Winfrey and newest member Obama troublemaker racists stirring up black crowds as if they needed anything. Obama commenting on a pending legal matter should be grounds to throw all charges out against Zimmerman anyway but then again we know they get a free pass on everything and never held accountable.

    The whole matter is a complete farce and should have never gotten out of Seminole County FL and had it been the reverse and Zimmerman killed by Martin it would have been on the back page of the local Sanford Weekly.

    Like everything else including the tyrant Lincoln war up to the MLK troublemaker marches and the Rosa Parks lie, the entire past 150 years has been a catastrophic disaster to say the least and not only split America in half but brought a needless chaotic calamity to what could have been a great nation and why the south was always right and still right. The south would have returned all slaves to Africa without exception and never have harmed a hair on their head and never did anyway. Outside inflamatory Marxist troublemaker liberals beginning with John Brown at Harpers Ferry were at fault.

    Northerner John Wilkes Booth was on the money with his famous death to tyrants and the only real hero who deserves a statue in his honor in Washington DC.

    We know also the founders failed miserably to cure the unneeded slave issue but we also know that slaves were considered a part of the elite family and weren’t really slaves at all but family members who showed their eternal appreciation to their white family members for their ancestors being removed from the 3rd world hellhole called Africa and into the light, by taking the surnames of their ex-owners.

    Northern liberal Marxist agitators caused the problems and still do. Nothing has changed but you can examine the turmoil and chaos they have created now that they have assumed control and own the media to do what they want when and where feeling smug and moral righteous as usual in their lies and deception being the all time top racists.

    Where would Africans in America be today in 2013 had slavery never existed or there never have been a need for slaves and why did the tribal chiefs hock off their rejects who were still rejected in 1821 when Liberia was formed and some freed slaves returned only to have to fight their fellow Africans for the right to return home? That fight in Liberia is still occurring today.

    Real slaves in 1865 appreciated the south and not only took the last names of their former owners without exception but also either went to work for them for wages or refused to file a single reparation lawsuit. Does this sound like slaves were abused or just part of the southern elite families for 250 yrs after 99% of all African slaves were shipped to RI ports for processing and redistribution auctioning on public squares in the north and south?
    MLK was unaware that white and black kids not only played together on plantations but also lived side by side or in the same home 100 years before he lied in his speech for hundreds of years? Surely as a so called Phd he wasn’t that ignorant was he?

  • south florida prisoner

    Why not just let a black jury convict and execute Zimmerman since he is hispanic with jew and south American mongoloid red race mix ? None of these media liberal lies matteranyway do they? It dosent matter if he is not white because even though he is a proven hispanic jew that is irrelevant and he can still be a pretend white since they got it wrong from the gitgo and tried to lie and cover it up but failed. Thus he will remain became a pretend white. Facts dont matter when it comes to getting your way all the time and blacks cannot be wrong under any circumstances.

    Maybe if he is convicted and executed the hispanics will become outraged and turn against the liberal democrat party of black and faggots and go red republican? That way the Treyvon fake martyrdom can be a reversed into a white or hispanic martyrdom and all these hispanics will vote for the party of the elephant GOP to seize all control from the Chavez marxists in Amerika and DC.

    Hey its far fetched but anything is worth a try in these perilous times of violent anti-white hatred revolution.

  • Token Finn

    Let’s get to the heart of the matter; He did not has to be follow him!

    • HamletsGhost

      That’s not the heart, bad grammar notwithstanding
      .
      The heart of the matter is the right to self-defense.

      • Token Finn

        The mistakes were intentional.

        • libertarian 1234

          That doesn’t make any more sense than the statements themselves.

    • libertarian 1234

      “He did not has to be follow him!”

      Even though you express yourself so eloquently I have to disagree with you.

      A neighborhood watch captain whose job was to monitor the neighborhood for suspicious activity due to numerous break-ins….observing from a distance….. has every right to keep track of strangers and strange behavior. Sometimes that might require following from a distance. The perp was acting in an abnormal manner, as Zimmerman described on his 911 tape to the police dispatcher.

      What is totally unjustifiable is for the perp to attack this man simply for…. in essence… looking at him. A witness saw Zimmerman on the ground getting beaten. Zimmerman also passed two lie detector tests. Strange the MSM always omits this.

      The girl friend also lied about her age to the prosecutor, saying she was 16 instead of 18, which the prosecutor passed on to the defense attorneys, which reveals her easy inclination to lie about matters of no consequence, along with her lie of being in the hospitable.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    I think we can now try this case on tv on one of those court programs.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3FUDSCIGCWHI6BPPAYCSS3VBKU jessej

      If Zimmerman walks, expect black riots all over the U.S. You see, the truth doesn’t matter
      The racial problems in this country will never be solved by using intelligence and diplomacy, because what you understand is the blacks do very little, if any wrong.
      and all the rest of the society is “raciss”

      • SheikYerbouti

        The riots have been underway for quite some time now. We are dealing with people who feel they have nothing to lose. That makes them terribly dangerous. For civilized thinkers the idea of losing freedom generally prevents them from most crimes. Blacks in the US see incarceration as some kind of twisted badge of “honor”. They are not inclined to show any remorse for their deeds, even if it might help them in court. There is no defense from this sort of psychotic sociopath.

  • KingKenton

    Oh, please let massive riots break out that spill over into White liberal neighborhoods. (OK, I don’t really mean it, but nothing like an up close and personal encounter to change your mind about the “joys” of diversity).

  • sosmartru

    TAWANNA!!!!

  • tomasso

    I can see it now. The building of the black Mt Rushmore featuring 1. MLK 2. Rosa Parks 3. Biggie 4. Tupac 5. Saint Trayvon and 6. the real life Django himself Christopher Dorner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • zimmerman is still white

    The demographic makeup of the jury is the only thing that will rule in the end although since Zimmerman is not white but hispanic. It will be interesting to see how all hispanics react if he is aquitted and blacks go on a rampage although we know they still go by the premise he is white as the media first reported after all the editing and refuse to acknowledge differently. This occured in a election 2012 year and racist Obama and Holder were behind the federal intervention to level the murder charges while Obama of course let it be known thug Trevon was his son. The protests of blacks was also a clear intimidation signal to whites they better reelect their mutt messiah or else all hell would break loose. At this point Zimmerman is still a white in the black eyes and they refuse to acknowledge otherwise being the fucked up shithead liars they are.

  • D

    with the left leaning press, and a society were a white man cant get a fair trial, the Government will have to convict him to quell the riots. this trial will be a sham

  • Margo Hunt

    After the OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony trials, I don’t and won’t bet on which way a jury will vote. I do believe that if there is a not guilty verdict, or if he is found guilty of a lesser charge,
    there will be riots not only in Florida but in other cities around the country.