Thom vs. Matthew Heimbach—Is the White Race an Endangered Species?

YouTube, December 10, 2012

Thom Hartmann debates Matthew Heimbach, Founder of the White Student Union-Towson University (Matt is also a member of the Maryland League of the South & the Sons of Confederate Veterans), who says the white race is indeed an endangered species. The White Student Union’s website is towsonwsu.blogspot.com.

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  • David Ashton

    See Comments, December 7, “Is the white race under threat?”
    White people are the ultimate predators – “racist hate speech”?

  • eurobeing

    Matthew does a pretty fair job but this is an experienced Marxist. His assertion that whites took farms away from blacks is completely false. Whites deliberatly settled there because it was uninhabited. They wanted to avoid the black natives and malaria.
    Additionally if blacks still had control of those farms they would still be in the stone age. As far as the Jewish question is concerned they have a distince intrest in their own people and so should we.
    Smallpox being deliberately spread to Indians is a cruel joke but war is war.

    • JohnEngelman

      if blacks still had control of those farms they would still be in the stone age.

      – eurobeing

      By 500 BCE, a civilization where Nigeria is today was in full bloom. It smelted and forged iron for tools, and it is known for its terracotta sculpture. Iron there improved hunting and forest farming, which may have helped to build population pressures of the Bantu speaking people there. Bantu people began migrating from this area eastward through savanna and forests.
      http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/ch29af.htm

      • The__Bobster

        The average Bantu IQ today is 70. Did the evil White man steal his IQ points and bury his “forges”?

      • Dutchman

        Civilization? Where is its written language and monumental architecture? Did its agriculture produce a surplus? A little technology, transmitted from elsewhere, does not a civilization make.

        • Wayne

          Answer: in the minds of Anti white Marxists like Engleman.

        • JohnEngelman

          I would not have used the noun “civilization.” What matters is that the Bantu left the stone age three and a half thousand years ago.

          • fsagas

            Out of curiosit,y.then what you consider civilization? And what period do you think Sub Saharan Africa was in (especially before the 17th Century)?

            I always considered them in the paleolithic era due to the inability of most groups being settled in one place relying on hunting and gathering of gazelle. Their tools were made of wood and stone. They even lacked bows and arrows (to my knowledge) that the Native Americans had. They used primitive spears (spear head made of stone) and shields made of hide.

            I am honestly interested in your ideas.

          • JohnEngelman

            A civilization is based on cities. Unlike villages, cities are larger. Most of the people who live in cities do not work on farms. Civilizations usually have writing and mathematics, although the Incas seem to have been an exception. The Mayans in the New World, go back to about 500 AD. They had writing, mathematics, and astronomy. They were able to accurately predict eclipses of the moon and the sun.

            Paleolithic peoples live by hunting and gathering. Neolithic peoples live by primitive agriculture, herding, and hunting. They lack cities. The Bantu adopted agriculture about 4,000 years ago, and the use of iron somewhat later. The Bushmen of Southern Africa, who are still largely paleolithic, have bows and arrows, so I suspect that the Bantus had these four thousand years ago.

            The Bantus had what I would call “towns” before they were conquered by the Europeans in the second half of the nineteenth century, but they never developed writing and mathematics. Urban areas where the descendants of the Bantu live in the United States are not known for civilized behavior.

          • i am

            You can take the Bantu out of the stone-age, but you can’t take the stone-age out of the Bantu.

          • Svigor

            Lol, literal-minded Aspie thinks people are making archaeological pronouncements when they talk about the “stone age.”

            Aspies should be told they’re not normal and should try to communicate with their own kind, and not normal folks, so consider yourself told.

      • RJSNS16

        are you talking about black african innovations or m eastern innovations in africa?

        • JohnEngelman

          Everything that separates Negroes from the paleolithic era they learned from whites, beginning with agriculture about four thousand years ago. Whites had begun agriculture over ten thousand years earlier.

      • Winston_Jack

        And all without the aid of the wheel?!?

      • eduard

        It is quite common knowledge that the third world savage had no writing and no poetry and no numerals and not even the word “love” was in their vocabulary. So these so called history information comes from where? The black race originates from the Niger delta. Nubians were in the northern part of Africa. Down south in the southern part of Africa, was the Khoi and the San peoples. They were responsible for all the rock art in the mountains of southern Africa.
        The black culture is lazy culture: the female does all the work while the male sits around, goes to war against other tribes and rapes the women. Even to this day it is still like that.

        • spritsail

          What a vile ignorant bigot you are!

          • Winston

            I agree!

      • Wayne

        What was Greece doing in 500 BC? China? Persia?

        • JohnEngelman

          Elsewhere I have pointed out that they were building civilizations, and had been doing so for centuries.

      • 5n4k33y35

        Engleman, Nigeria is way up north, and they began trade with Arabs. In 900 AD, a Nigerian king traded a caravan of slaves carrying gold for Arabic knowledge, for a copy of the Quran. That’s 1,400 years after you say they were so advanced already, they still had very little civilization to speak of.

        Nigeria learned from those who were far ahead of them. Nigerians were not innovating, they were learning the ways of civilization from Arabs settled north of the Sahara. Iron spears are about they only thing sub-Saharans they had, and those came from the north.

        Don’t get me wrong. I like Africans a lot more than American blacks, Jamaicans, or Haitians. They are generally much nicer people.

        Most Africans have better ways to occupy themselves than despising white people. (At least until some progressive Jews spend some time with them…)

        But they never bothered to create wheels. They didn’t bother to ride their
        zebras. They carved no stone heads like the Toltecs, Aztecs. All they had done is spend thousands of years dancing and grinning. Nothing wrong with that, but sub-Saharan Africans are noteworthy for their lack of monuments.

        Quit being such a progressive pinhead and face reality. African blacks ought to have applied themselves a little more, don’t you think? Wheels? Domesticated animals? Maybe a few stone monuments?

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    The great anti-White axiom: everything was perfect until Western Civilization showed up. Correction; everything was awful and primitive until Western Civilization showed up.

    • John

      I completely agree with you on all points, my friend.

      The fact of the matter is that Christianity, and Western Civilization along with it, are rapidly dying off [1]. Muslims and Africans are advancing into Europe and North America and are replacing us. White leftists are rapidly and unnaturally accelerating that process for personal gain, as they have done for decades. Conservatives are yielding ground and becoming more tolerant, pliant, and emasculated.
      The wealthiest and most powerful families on Earth, who own the central banks, are laughing all the way to the banks that they own. They are not concerned about our culture, or which race lives or dies. They only desire indebted humans who pay their interest rates to borrow their fiat currencies. Smart Whites remain out of debt and do not procreate much. Miscreants from the third-world borrow and spend what they do not have and reproduce like wild jackal. Who is more valuable to the world’s elite who depend on commerce and interest payments?

      I fear that nothing we say here now will matter in a few short decades.

      As for those who usually take my pessismism to task and say “I choose to resist and try,” well, so do I, but you come here and complain like the rest of us, but you never lift a finger to become organized, fight back, and stop them. We have enormous financial clout if we would choose to use it, but we won’t. We never do.

      I think our only real hope is a large global war or a major calamity like a global disease with widespread famine. When hunger and survival become paramount, millions will die without the government parasites providing for their basic needs.

      I could live semi-naked in the woods and survive without a problem. I would not go hungry, nor would I die from thirst, heat, or cold. Millions in the urban areas would die within a few days of the power failing or McDonald’s and Walmart closing.

      1. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9736609/Number-of-Christians-in-England-and-Wales-falls-by-more-than-4-million.html

    • AngryWhiteMan

      So your reaction to an extremist viewpoint is another extremist viewpoint?

      Western Civilization is not as bad as liberals make it out to be, and it’s certainly not as awesome as you make it out to be.

      • Svigor

        I don’t know about Dude, but yeah I like to fight fire with fire (but at the same time, command the moral high ground).

  • Alan

    Fascinating that the host is able to make absolutely racist statements while decrying the guest as a racist. I wish Matthew realized that. I’ve seen several interviews with him and his interviewers give him blatant examples of anti-white racism in their very questions which he just needs point out. The host is blind to his own preconception that one cannot be racist against whites…. and that is the reason for the student union.

  • Tom_in_Miami

    Matthew Heimbach is not a good representative to be speaking on white rights, although I do admire him for adhering to his convictions and starting the white student union at Towson University. He let his enemy get away with far too many baseless claims. He missed a great
    opportunity to point out that if the South African farmers, who are currently undergoing genocide (literally), decline much further in numbers Africa will see a famine unlike anything that has ever been seen in Africa. (Never mind the horror of the torture and dehumanization of the white families being slaughtered.) To get an idea of the nature of the killings, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onSPdJwJJh4

    For a more detailed description of the genocide see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_lF7zSjO2o

    • Joseph

      If they starve in S.A. it will be chalked up to anthropogenic global warming, not the mismanagement of black self-rule.

      • Liberalsuck

        Yep. Just like in the US. Blacks and their liberal enablers blame their failures on conservatives, racism, slavery, past injustices, etc. Conservatives blame it on liberalism. Nobody wants to blame blacks or make a correlation between blacks and bad, third-world areas.

    • Ulick

      I agree that Heimbach isn’t the most polished speaker to be going up against a media veteran like Hartmann, but there is a certain charm in Heimbach as the “everyman” white guy. Most people who hold Heimbach’s beliefs are also unpolished. They could see themselves in Heimbach and think, “If this guy has the stones to tell the truth despite knowing he’ll get attacked, then, damnit, I’m going to have the stones too!”

      There is room for the Heimbachs along with the more polished Taylors in the movement.

      • Tom_in_Miami

        I agree completely.

      • i am

        Hartmann is a sociopath. Here are some quotes from http://bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm

        “…is possessed of an exceptional verbal facility and will out manoeuvre
        most people in verbal interaction, especially at times of conflict”

        “silver-tongued, has an extreme verbal facility and can outwit anybody (including a top barrister) in verbal conflict”

        Sociopath are masters of verbal Kung-Fu. They can out-talk anyone (non-sociopaths). It is entertaining to watch two sociopath argue with each other. They both talk at the same time really fast, but they don’t listen to each other. Talking is control. As long as their mouth is moving the feel like they are in control.

        • Svigor

          I don’t believe that, the idea that these sociopaths are verbally superior. The key is to learn the arguments backwards and frontwards, and stick to your talking points if you don’t have a snappy comeback. And keep talking if you’re interrupted, and raise your voice over your opponents’ if he raises his.

    • Liberalsuck

      We need to quit looking for excuses everytime a white man has the balls to speak out. When Jared does it, people say “he has an Asian wife” or “he doesn’t speak about Jews.” They are at least willing to speak out publically. What are YOU doing?

      • Xanthippe2

        I don’t think Jared Taylor is married to an Asian woman, unless he got divorced and remarried recently…

      • AngryWhiteMan

        Derbyshire has a Chinese wife. Taylor has been upfront about his preference for “white” women.

        I think we need to actively recruit “Asians” into the “white” fold. They’re intelligent and peaceful, unlike blacks, and are much more similar to Gentile Euros than Jews are (except genetically)

        • Svigor

          I think there’s an unbridgeable divide between me and you; your “fold” is not mine.

  • bluffcreek1967

    It’s good that Matthew has debated an experienced Marxist because he will better learn how they think and how they argue. He can later use it to help sharpen his polemics against even more virulent liberals. Even if he loses a debate now and then, they are all learning experiences for him. It will make him a better debater in the future. My hope is that he will take the knowledge and experience he has gained to help educate a future generation of race realists.

  • gemjunior

    Well that was pretty frightening. He frankly came out with the fervent attitude that whites need to be killed off. When Matthew states that whites need to go on existing and protecting their interests – that it’s their right like any other people’s rights he says “Is it?” and then goes on to say “Even if they are destructive and predatory?” That’s pretty much a rationalization of genocide and it is totally unacceptable. I wish that whites would wake up en masse because I can’t take much more. This whole thing is killing me. Also this video – it was an absolute PR disaster for white students. I can’t fault the kid for trying though, he’s doing far more than anyone else is. But he couldn’t compete with that ass – he just kept talking over him and interrupting, trying to rephrase his sentences to make him a blatant racist. I’ve never seen him before but he is no good – I’d love to know what program this was so I could write to him and express how disgusted I am.

    • Liberalsuck

      I’m not only get sick at the anti-white bigotry, but even more angry at the whites who believe this and who spout this crap like hartman. They are worse than New Black Panthers in my opinion. They are a wolf in sheeps clothing.

    • Bill

      Yeah, he was real tough on that kid because because he knows he can be and Heimbach doesn’t understand just YET how to return the same fire. He basically lets this guy take him through a barage of easily refuted claims and be cut off every answer. He didn’t have a lot of key terms on the tip of his tongue. That’s why this douche bag has a field day grilling this kid.

    • Dan Reardon

      You ever noticed how a$$holes like Hartman never try to debate an experienced opponent like Jared Taylor? They like to stack the deck in their favor and even then they won’t allow their opposition to finish a sentence.

    • Svigor

      “Even if they are destructive and predatory?”

      That is a perfect opportunity to turn the tables:

      “If whites are destructive and predatory, then it’s only moral to keep them separated away from the noble savages.”

      And then:

      “But obviously they aren’t, because we can’t keep brown people out of our countries with a stick; we should protect whites because they’re at least as worthy of protection as the snowy egret or the whales.”

      But the best card is the Jewish card: “Hitler called the Jews destructive and predatory, too.”

  • Athling

    Proof positive that you can be an anti-white bigot and be white at the same time. These identity-void creatures must always be reminded that they do not speak for white people. They always seem to imply that any mistreatment or wrong-doing toward whites is somehow deserved thus revealing their values-neutral morally bankrupt position. An innocent is never to be punished for the actions of others. These people are morally ill. The more debates we can have with them the better. This gives us an opportunity to expose their hypocracy.

    • MerlinV

      Hartmann is a WINO (White in name only).

  • Tom_in_Miami

    Kudos to Matthew. He simply needs more experience in dealing with sub-humans who think we whites should be wiped out altogether (himself and his class excluded from the murder). Our race needs to wake up. How much more time do we have? South Africa is just an example of what we have to look forward to.

  • http://www.thedevilsreview.com/ Alfred Smith

    I’m not sure I understand why Mr Heinbach bothers to talk to this piece of filth. No dialogue is possible with creatures like this. If he is going to appear again on this creature’s show, I hope he will be a lot more aggressive and not allow the creature to keep interrupting him.

    • JFKFC

      I have to agree here. Many White activists are eager to get ANY coverage, but I would say that is only feasible if the host is impartial and somewhat open minded. Thom Hartmann is a closed-minded, nasty prick. From the beginning of the interview he misstated what Heimbach is saying, steering the coversation off course and kept interrupting his guest. Hartmann is a 1960s-generation nerd hipster leftist. So desperate to belong with the cool crowd, he will trash his own race. The 1960s is over Thom, and so are you.

      • Svigor

        Somehow I doubt Hartmann trashed any Jews.

  • john

    Did you see how he was waving hs hands around? he looks fabulous!

    • Julia

      Heimbach looks a hell of a lot better than Hartmann. Thom Hartmann looks like an aging dork math teacher going to a Star Trek convention.

  • NYB

    Thom Hartmann makes generalizations about whites, such as “whites run everything”.

    He has no problem assigning guilt to every living member of the white race, and he sticks to that unappologetically.

    Would he draw sweeping stereotypes about other races? No, because that would be “racist”.

    Thom Hartmann is a big racist.

    • LaSantaHermandad

      “Thom Hartmann makes generalizations about whites, such as “whites run everything”. ”

      And Blacks RUIN everything!

    • Liberalsuck

      If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a thousand times, if any of these white liberals hate whites so much or feel so sorry for nonwhites, they are free to live around them, free to deed them their nice possessions, free to give them their money, etc.

      • Dude

        You can’t tell him to kill himself. That’s anti-semitism!

        • fsagas

          That is b.s. I would’ve told him to kill himself. Nothing to do with anti semitism.

          Better yet, I would’ve told him that he is in a position of power and should step down.

          • Dude

            I was just pointing out how he’s not a “white liberal” and likely is no true believer in liberal egalitarian ideas. In fact, he’s blatantly anti-White in a totally serious way, in a way you never see from true Whites. If he calls himself White, that’s just the deceptive nature of his racially alien kind.

          • scared to say

            I think the Jews are just the smartest white people. Sure, they run everything and control the media and the money. Nobody can compete with them because they are the smartest people on earth. Is there a Jewish gene? They sure look white to me. I think we should do everything we can to coexist with them. They are definitely race realists. Yay Jews.

          • Dude

            Jews are smart enough to realize they’re not White people.

          • NYB

            As Jared Taylor has said, whites should take ethno-nationalist inspiration from Jews.

            At the moment, we do not have a level playing field. Jews own much of the media and wield influence greater than their numbers only because they nurture a robust group identity.

            Whites aren’t living up to their full potential because their moral and racial identity has been decapitated.

          • Svigor

            White advocates need to become MUCH more nuanced in how they handle the JQ. They should USE the leverage provided by Jewish Supremacy. At every turn, they should be comparing themselves to Jews, their desired outcome to Israel, etc. This should be hammered home again and again in our rhetoric. It should be the centerpiece of our rhetoric, the opening and closing arguments. It should become seared into the minds of our enemies and the public. The public should think “White Nationalism/ethnopatriotism” every time the words “Jew,” “Israel,” or “Zionism” are mentioned, and vice-versa.

            We need to make this fusion indelible in the minds of the masses; we need to fix it firmly in the minds of Jews that if we go down, we’re taking them with us.

          • Shimon Rothstein

            While race is a biological reality, racism and xenophobia ( which is central to white nationalism, despite their denial) is always associated with lesser intelligence. There have been reputed studies done to show that people with a higher IQ reject race-nationalist/ racist beliefs, something which you would eschew! Its only people with lower IQ who tend to be xenophobic – white conservative/ race conscious racists, black nationalists, islamic fundamentalists and La Raza fanatics, Christian fundamentalists etc.

            http://www.livescience.com/181

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

            Is it any surprise that the most intelligent folks in America for example are found in liberal cities, liberal “blue” states in the east & west coasts, liberal institutions etc. From Einstein (Jewish), Steve Jobs (half Arab, half white) to the smart high IQ Jews & Asians (Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans) & liberal whites in the science, technology and research sector.
            Whereas the “red” states with the lowest IQ are those where conservative race conscious whites are heavily congregated such as the south & mid west with the exception of IL & Michigan (Blue States). Gee I wonder! Here is the national breakdown:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

            President Obama WON because he & his team were smarter than their white dominated republican goofballs who LOST real bad. The GOP is almost dead and so is the social conservative movement. I can see fiscal conservative beliefs gaining popularity but social conservatism is dead except on the blogosphere.

            The future belongs to those who can adapt in a multiracial setting with higher intelligence as opposed to guns as their greatest weapons of survival & dominance. Evolution in a nutshell :)

            Meanwhile the higher IQ white kids will reject previously held racist beliefs of their parents and learn to adapt in their new setting.

            Here is a great example of new generation high IQ white girl and medical student rejecting her familial race-consciousness and instead accepting a new multicultural enlightened liberal mindset. A bright young white southern Catholic girl who is a medical student debating her racist antisemitic white grandfather in a civil tone. Times are changing & we humans are evolving for the better leaving the race-conscious losers to bite the dust & be dumped into the dustbin of history!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

            Alas, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow!

          • Svigor

            I refer to the types you describe, the seething racist die-hard white haters (they’re mostly Jews in my experience, or hard-core Marxists), as leftism’s “active ingredients.” They set the agenda, and know the score, unlike the useful idiot whites.

    • Svigor

      Indeed, I’m firmly in the camp that thinks we should call our enemies racists when they display anti-white attitudes, or call whites racist. “Anti-white racism” should be worked in there, but “racist” is the key word that must be applied liberally.

      • Pelayo

        It wouldn’t have a scintilla of an effect on them. They don’t give a s–t because they have the protective pigmentation. The time for words is quickly approaching its end.

  • Germanacus

    Did I hear Hartmann correctly? Professor Running Bear at USC gave Whites a good dressing down and Hartmann recieved this admonishment with great joy. He’s always remembered it.

    That pretty much tells me all I need to know about this Zelig.

  • LaSantaHermandad

    Perhaps Thom Hartmann will someday have a real up close and personal encounter with La Diversidad Negra and when he’s on the ground with blood spurting from his ears and mouth as they kick him repeatedly in the head and throat, he can console himself by saying (if he’s still capable of speech) either “I really deserve this” or “Maybe that Heimbach kid had a point”.

    • Svigor

      If this happened, he’d seethe with rage and resolve to take out his anger on whites.

  • jtree

    This is a great example of why not addressing the elephant in the room has led to an enormous problem for whites. It allows a leftist like Thom to bait and bait until the guest must either divert or give in. What Matthew said about the “Finns” is absolutely correct and he did as good a job as any given the host’s ridiculous assertions.

  • Clark Griswald

    Mr. Heimbach needs to be a bit more assertive when he is confronting DWL Tom Hartmann, he cannot allow himself to be continually interrupted and to have the subject changed. Otherwise Heimbach conducted himself well.

    • Liberalsuck

      If he acts too aggressive, the liberals will say, “See? See? he is full of hate and just shows how angry these ‘white supremacists’ are.” That’s not to say we should take physical attacks, obviously, but the more calm and respectful we are, the more we can appeal to people on the sidelines. That’s why Jared appealed to me more than Tim Wise when I came across a debate between them in 2002.

      • Svigor

        There’s a lot of space between aggressive and “full of hate.” Leftists are angry about everything, and nobody faults them for being fired up. We should match their intensity. To do otherwise cedes them the emotional high ground, as if they’re the good guys. Shatter their delusions, show them your righteous indignation.

  • Liberalsuck

    God, I hate white liberals like Thom Hartman! Don’t you just want to punch them in the face?

    • IstvanIN

      I hate the pretentious spelling Thom!

  • Sean

    “What if our culture is inherently predatory”. Then make the world a better place and kill yourself, Thom.

    Hartmann is such an uncle thom.

    • Svigor

      No, he’s no uncle tom. In his mind, there are scare-quotes around “our.”

  • white dude

    of course Hartymann believes White people run the country and congress etc.but somehow they dont represent us and actually want our extinction??? how does that make sense? liberalism is a mental illness.

    • Svigor

      Enemy: “Whites run everything”
      White: “And Uncle Toms are black; so what? This assumption on the part of you leftists that having white skin makes you incapable of being anti-white is pretty juvenile; everyone knows that Uncle Toms are no friend to blacks, self-hating Jews are no friend to Jews, etc. Grow up already.”

  • Dude

    Did anyone else notice the host’s OBVIOUSLY non-European features?

    Can you guess his origins? He looks nothing like an Englishman. He’s certainly no Russian. He definitely couldn’t pass for Italian. You know where you’ll see a lot of people who look like him? New York.

    • Pelayo

      Dude,
      I agree that so many Jews are nauseatingly leftist and supportive of “Progressive” ideas but do you think that if all Jews were taken up to another galaxy tomorrow that the Black problem would be solved? I think that we need to focus on the real enemy. If you look back a few years, to the Crown Heights Brooklyn incident, hordes of Blacks ran through the streets attacking Hasidim and stabbing to death Yankel Rosenbaum and shooting Vincent Graziosi to death while he was in his car stopped at a traffic light. Graziosi didn’t “pass for an Italian” to the Mau Mau who shot him because he had a beard and was mistaken for an Hasidic even though he didn’t have the payot.

      Actually the Hasidim, although they have traditions that seem rather strange and antiquated to us are very conservative and usually do not vote for liberal candidates.

      Jews have had their share of victimization at the hands of Blacks. During the riots Mayor David Dinkins held back the police and stated that the Blacks needed to let off some steam or something to that effect. Secular Jews tend to be the most Progressive.

      • Dude

        Jews have killed more Whites than blacks ever have.

        For example, the “Russian revolution” was just a front for Jewish takeover and the leadership of the USSR was predominantly Jewish. There were actually more Chinese in its leadership than ethnic Russians, and both White and Asian gentiles were simply token, like the token Arab faces in Israel. Stalin was just a mongrel (with obviously non-European features) puppet, who eventually turned on them and then things got messy.

        P.S. You should check out David Duke’s video on Jews and the slave trade, and learn how much responsibility they have for the “real enemy” being in America in the first place.

        • David Ashton

          It is a misleading overstatement to say the Bolshevik revolution was “just” a “front” for a Jewish takeover, despite the high proportion of Jews in the initial Soviet leadership, and subsequent officialdom and secret-police. See e.g. Richard Pipes, “Russia under the Bolshevik Regime 1919-1924″ (1994) pp. 99-114.
          For a clearer and accurate perspective on the historical details, see also especially:

          1. Andre Gerrits, “The Myth of Jewish Communism” (2009)

          2. Jerry Z. Muller, “Capitalism and the Jews” (2011)

          3. Antony C. Sutton, “Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution” (2011)

          4. William Korey, “Russian Antisemitism: Volume 2″ (1995)

          The Red Terror in Hungary is rather more telling than Russia’s.

          The Jewish element in American communism is worth examination, especially in view of its modern reversal with people like Irving Kristol.

          I have commented in previous posts on the ethnicity of Stalin, but a useful source on how “things got messy” is Arkady Vaksberg, “Stalin against the Jews” (1995).

          • Svigor

            “Stalin’s Willing Executioners” should be on that reading list.

          • David Ashton

            I think you have in mind Kevin MacDonald’s review-essay which (like most of his commentaries) is worth reading; my few criticisms are unimportant. We could make a ridiculously long list on this subject (Gerrits has a good bibliography, and don’t be put off by his initial opening of this can of worms). For balance and detailed references, I would add here only Donald Rayfield, “Stalin and his Hangmen” (Penguin 2005) who notes the importance of Solzhenitsyn’s “Russians and the Jews” (Moscow 2003).

            For AR readers who imagine that “Marxism” was just a “Jewish” invention, I would recommend Julius Carlebach, “Karl Marx and the Radical Critique of Judaism” (Farleigh Dickinson UP 1980). The erudite among you may derive some wry amusement from the “talmudic” appendix on this painful subject by Boris Nicolaevsky & Otto Maenchen-Helfen in “Karl Marx: Man and Fighter” (Pelican 1976).

            Lenin had a baptized Jewish grandfather. To the best of my knowledge, Friedrich Engels, Harry Pollitt, Mao Zedong, Kim Il-sung and Pol Pot were not pseudonyms to disguise “apostles of the circumcision”.

          • Shimon Rothstein

            While race is a biological reality, racism and xenophobia ( which is central to white nationalism, despite their denial) is always associated with lesser intelligence. There have been reputed studies done to show that people with a higher IQ reject race-nationalist/ racist beliefs, something which you would eschew! Its only people with lower IQ who tend to be xenophobic – white conservative/ race conscious racists, black nationalists, islamic fundamentalists and La Raza fanatics, Christian fundamentalists etc.

            http://www.livescience.com/181

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

            Is it any surprise that the most intelligent folks in America for example are found in liberal cities, liberal “blue” states in the east & west coasts, liberal institutions etc. From Einstein (Jewish), Steve Jobs (half Arab, half white) to the smart high IQ Jews & Asians (Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans) & liberal whites in the science, technology and research sector.
            Whereas the “red” states with the lowest IQ are those where conservative race conscious whites are heavily congregated such as the south & mid west with the exception of IL & Michigan (Blue States). Gee I wonder! Here is the national breakdown:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

            President Obama WON because he & his team were smarter than their white dominated republican goofballs who LOST real bad. The GOP is almost dead and so is the social conservative movement. I can see fiscal conservative beliefs gaining popularity but social conservatism is dead except on the blogosphere.

            The future belongs to those who can adapt in a multiracial setting with higher intelligence as opposed to guns as their greatest weapons of survival & dominance. Evolution in a nutshell :)

            Meanwhile the higher IQ white kids will reject previously held racist beliefs of their parents and learn to adapt in their new setting.

            Here is a great example of new generation high IQ white girl and medical student rejecting her familial race-consciousness and instead accepting a new multicultural enlightened liberal mindset. A bright young white southern Catholic girl who is a medical student debating her racist antisemitic white grandfather in a civil tone. Times are changing & we humans are evolving for the better leaving the race-conscious losers to bite the dust & be dumped into the dustbin of history!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

            Alas, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow!

            Oh and Jewish lounge singers & thinkers have contributed to human progress in historical terms far more than you can dream off! Don’t even start with your anti semitic canards, they make you look insane!

            http://www.jinfo.org/

            Oh btw, Happy Channukah & Happy Holidays!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

          • Shimon Rothstein

            Matthew looks and acts like Peter Griffin from the Family Guy. He even seems to possess the same intellect as Peter Griffin.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

      • bluffcreek1967

        I agree Pelayo. I too have found the Hasidic Jews to be very politically and socially conservative. Most are also aware of the true nature of Blacks. A good many Hasidic Jews are also outraged at their fellow Jews who support Hamas and the Palestinian cause. Many of them will admit how nauseating it is when Jews embrace liberalism.

      • i am

        do you think that if all Jews were taken up to another galaxy tomorrow
        that the Black problem would be solved?

        I think that we need to focus on the real enemy.

        Jews have had their share of victimization at the hands of Blacks

        ——————————————————————————————–

        1) Yes

        2) I am

        3) People who create vicious dogs to attack others sometimes get bit themselves. If you play with fire enough, you will eventually get burned.

      • Alan

        The fact is that David Dinkins was very hosptiable to the Jewish community in New York during his tenure as mayor.

      • 5n4k33y35

        Wrong. Both prog Jews and prog blacks must be confronted for their anti-white agenda, in addition to their vile handmaidens, the Feminists. Nobody gets a pass.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    Wow, what a jerk that host is. Heimbach was alternatively very good in this interview and horrendous by letting certain statements by this Hartmann character slide.

    When Hartmann claimed that whites “are the ultimate predators,” that was the perfect opportunity for Heimbach to go on the offensive, and he failed utterly!

    He should have said, “So you are saying that white people are uniquely evil? How can you claim that all races are equal and then claim that whites are uniquely evil??”

    He should have kept coming back to this throughout the rest of the interview. “Yeah, but you said that whites are uniquely evil, Thom old pal, so how can we take anything you said seriously after that?

    Perhaps Heimbach wanted to be invited back on this and other programs, but what good is it if he lets himself be walked all over like that?

    Remember, go on the offensive always! That’s the only way to win a “debate” like this!

    • i am

      “When Hartmann claimed that whites “are the ultimate predators,” that was
      the perfect opportunity for Heimbach to go on the offensive, and he
      failed utterly!”

      Heimbach should have asked if Hartmann was white. If he said NO, then he should have asked his race. If he said YES, he should have asked what should be done with whites. If Hartmann said they should be killed, Heimbach should have told Hartmann to fulfill his own plans for the white race.

      • Svigor

        It’s a waste of time, IMO, in a hostile format like this one, to quibble over how the host self-identifies. You’re putting the ball into his court doing that.

    • David Ashton

      Good advice. Pin THEM down and keep pushing the pin in.

    • Jaegp

      Yes, always have the Mantra to fall back on in debate. The basics will take us home: the Leftist’s ideas are contradictory and they are self hating hypocrites.

    • Svigor

      Indeed, this is a trap that leftists simply cannot avoid. Their Narrative demands that they respond to any expression of white identity by attacking the whites as uniquely evil; decades of the Narrative with whitey as the bad guy has ensured this. Thus, they put their feet into their own trap, and all we have to do is spring it by calling them out on their racism against whites. And as you say, once the knife is in, it doesn’t come out; we should just keep twisting it in the wound by repeating the charge over and over.

      The only counter they have is to fall back to their faux egalitarianism: “I didn’t mean whites are uniquely evil, I was only pointing out that humans in general are bad, and whites are no exception.” But then we just keep twisting the knife by calling their bluff and demanding they offer up some specific non-white malfeasance. When they refuse, point out their hypocrisy; specific criticism of whites, vague non-criticism criticisms of non-whites. Or if they comply, you now have them talking about non-white malfeasance and can up the ante by bringing up worse non-white crimes, having successfully changed the subject. Or take the high road by changing the subject: “yes, you’re right about that, but I’m not here for a tit for tat, I’m here to demand that whites have the same rights that Jews have for themselves in Israel.”

  • guest

    These anti-white marxists think whites are evil, yet they also enforce diversity by having the “good” non-whites integrate with whites. If they care so much about non-whites like they claim to, why force them to live with us whites if we’re so “racist”? There’s absolutely no end to the hypocrisy of the anti-white racists. Even the non-whites have no respect for them, for they see the “anti-racists” as weak cowards who are easy to bully and take advantage of. And when these anti-white anti-racists fall victim to crimes committed by non-whites, it’s impossible to feel bad for them.

  • SintiriNikos

    I don’t think anybody can watch this video, and not realize Matthew was the hands down winner, and Hartmann was pompous, rude, arrogant, condescending, and just plain ridiculous. Matthew is a very smart kid, and he never falls in the traps set by these seasoned Marxists. This second-rate TV show host can run his program for decades, and he still cannot get the upper hand on a youngster, because in the end it all comes down to intelligence, and no amount of bullying will bridge the IQ gap. Matthew is a fast, able speaker and thinker, which is a must with such hostile pseudo-debaters as Hartmann, not in order to match wits but to fit arguments in edge-wise between interruptions and insults (I’m sure everybody caught the supremacist bit and the ‘illuminating worldview’ sarcasm; what a class-A twit)

    Well done Matthew Heimbach, you continue to acquit yourself and the cause very well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=516334919 Matthew Heimbach

    Everyone I really appreciate all of the support. I agree that in this interview I let my Southern hospitality get the best of me when I should have utterly vanquished Hartmann. I thank all of you for everything that you have done to help myself and my organization during this year and I look forward to hopefully joining the ranks of men like Mr. Taylor in being an advocate for our people. Follow the Towson White Student Union at towsonwsu.blogspot.com and any comments or constructive criticism feel free to email me at TowsonWSU@gmail.com United we will win fight, and we will win. God bless

    • Mike Harrigan

      Thank you Mr Heimbach for your efforts. Please don’t get discouraged. The marxist hartmann has a lot of years and experience on you. You have much of the basic facts down, you just lack experience, which will come. As a suggestion, whenever one of these DWL’s asks you a question, demand the time to answer. Don’t let him continue on and on, to put words in your mouth, to change what you said and to change the subject without allowing you to answer. Tell him that you are an invited guest, and you would like to participate in the debate that HE invited you to and that you are very capable of answering for yourself, any questions asked. Refuse to remain silent when he asks a question and then attempts to answer it for you. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

      Again, thank you for your efforts. We could use many more men with your courage in our movement.

      • Svigor

        Better yet, when they ask you a question, ignore them and talk about whatever you wanted to talk about. Stick to your talking points and use the podium as you want.

        Definitely don’t identify with them as human beings, because they aren’t.

    • Jerrybear

      At least Hartmann is one of the few liberals even willing to debate issues like these. For that I give him credit. Good job debating him.

      • Teddybear

        Aren’t you being a little naive? Hartmann was not exactly impartial nor cordial with his guest. Was Hartmann “willing to debate issues” or did he get a younger, less experienced guest he identified as a political foe in order to trash and discredit ideas he dislikes? I suspect Hartmann’s motives for inviting Matt Heimbach to be a guest were not as pure as you think they were.

    • Jaego

      Yes, don’t just answer their questions – but go on the attack. Respond to their questions with a question. The height of rudeness and exactly what they deserve. For example, you could have asked him if Jews consider themselves White. If he said yes, question him by saying “Really?” – because at that point he would be caught in a lie.

      • Svigor

        No, that’s a mistake. This stuff is all about perception, and Jews are widely perceived as white. Definitely never depend on asking someone a question and expecting a truthful answer. It’s a losing strategy, one Hartmann could easily turn to his advantage. When fighting a sound bite war, use sound bites:

        Enemy: “whites run everything.”
        White: “Jews run everything in Israel. We just want a Zion for ourselves.”

  • White and Proud

    Matthew Heimbach is an admitted misecgenationist. I would argee with those who argue we need to take a “wait and see attitude” with him.

    • Harper

      I think you mean miscegenationist (not misecgenationist). Well…he doesn’t seem like one to me. Do you get your facts from the same place you get your spelling?

      • George

        Actually, he did admit on a Sirrus radio program tht he has in engaged in interracial sex in the past with Black and other non-Whtie women. Like several other posters stated, it’s no big deal for me, but he did admit to doing so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=516334919 Matthew Heimbach

    Uhm and one thing, I have never been on Sirius radio nor have I engaged in relations with a non white woman, Considering I grew up up a almost entirely white town and in college I have dated two white girls so I don’t see any miscegenation. I am surprised that on AmRen of all places that boldfaced lies about me are being told about someone who is trying their best to fight for white interests. I have only ever dated white girls and if anyone wants to disagree we can discuss it publicly. Sorry for the rant y’all but I wanted to clarify that very important point. My loyalty to my race is absolute.

    • AngryWhiteMan

      Is dating “non white” women being “disloyal” to your “race”?

      • Albert

        No. But is is somewhat hypocritical if you are advocating segregation and denouncing miscegenation , yet are engaged in interracial sexual activity.

    • Guest

      How do we know that you are not an impersonator?

    • white dude

      yep, same here! some of these pro ‘Whites’ men will even slam their own race of women and say how asian/ indian women are better. such nonsense.

    • AngryWhiteMan

      Is “miscegenation” “disloyalty” to “your race”?

      • Svigor

        Ethnopatriotism is the combination of ideology and race; you have to be ethnopatriotic and white to be a White Ethnopatriot, for example. Since no one is born an ethnopatriot, I think it’s wrong to characterize miscegenation that occurred before one’s conversion as “disloyalty.” It would be like calling Paul un-Christian for persecuting Christians before he fell off his donkey on the road to Damascus; of course he wasn’t loyal to Christians before he became a Christian himself.

    • Svigor

      Don’t worry about such things. As if this place isn’t infested with agents provocateur and other haters pretending to be on our side!

      Never dignify such tactics with a straightforward answer. Here’s one possible response:

      “Well, have you ever had relations with a white woman? That could lead to more white people, something you obviously consider a catastrophe. Are you a hypocrite?”

      But it’s best to just ignore such nonsense and fill the response time with your own talking points, I think.

  • LHathaway

    Mathew needs to be more opened minded. When the host asked, ‘what if we’re destroying the planet’? Mathew just went off on his speel ignoring the question. The host opened it up himself. He didn’t really say ‘what if white people are destroying the planet’? What if just humans are destroying the planet? It would have been a chance to look at population growth around the world. Perhaps get off the high white horse, cause, yes, if we are ‘destroying the planet’ or at least need to reform ourselves, it isn’t just whites who are destroying the planet. The host cold very well have been right. Mathew seemed unable to engage him or suggest he may be right, or follow along with his thinking. . Really, basiclaly they were unable to hold a conversation. Sure, we’re always beat down as whites. . but this guy was keeping basically an open forum. . Read the NYTimes.. gag. . read some left wing thinkers Mathew, the world is a large place with many different ideas. . . no need to be constantly defensive. . i think. .

    • Svigor

      Mathew needs to be more opened minded. When the host asked, ‘what if we’re destroying the planet’? Mathew just went off on his speel ignoring the question. The host opened it up himself. He didn’t really say ‘what if white people are destroying the planet’? What if just humans are destroying the planet?

      Yes, I wouldn’t try to talk past this opening – I’d take it:

      “Whites are the only people who seem to give a damn about the environment, with few exceptions; letting Mexicans and other third-worlders into our countries so they can dramatically increase their carbon footprints on our dime is the opposite of green politics.”

  • LHathaway

    i hope mathew raises more awareness and talks more about these white student unions.

  • Mahound

    Thom seems to suggest that Whites don’t have a right to exist. Matthew needs to take a look at this “debate” and learn a few tricks here. He shouldn’t get bogged down into details around smallpox or Mugabe or some fight in a meeting somewhere, those sort of discussions never lead anywhere.

    Bring the discussion up a notch, take a bird’s eye view and talk about absolute rights. Sure there’s been wrongs in the past. Bantu Africans took the whole of southern Africa from San tribes. Arabs conquered the whole of North Africa. Malays moved across the whole South East Asian archipelago. Whites conquered the Americas and Australia. Whites also lost all their lands in North Africa and the Levant of course. But that’s all in the past, let us learn from history rather than repeat it.

    Whites have a right to their own student unions. Whites have a right to exist. Whites have a right to look after their interests. Whites have a right to limit immigration into their lands as they see fit. Whites have a right to form a majority in their own lands now and forever into the future so that Whites can control their own freedom and destiny.

    All of these rights are taken for granted by other races and peoples. Whites should start to stand up for these rights too. If Matthew would have pointed out the inconsistencies in Thom’s logic he could have made Thom look like a first class hater.

    • Svigor

      Thom seems to suggest that Whites don’t have a right to exist. Matthew needs to take a look at this “debate” and learn a few tricks here. He shouldn’t get bogged down into details around smallpox or Mugabe or some fight in a meeting somewhere, those sort of discussions never lead anywhere.

      Bring the discussion up a notch, take a bird’s eye view and talk about absolute rights.

      Listen to Mahoud, the force is strong with him. That last sentence is perfect advice. I have used that method far more times than I can count. It cuts right through the Gordian Knot of BS.

      Whites have a right to their own student unions. Whites have a right to exist. Whites have a right to look after their interests. Whites have a right to limit immigration into their lands as they see fit. Whites have a right to form a majority in their own lands now and forever into the future so that Whites can control their own freedom and destiny.

      All of these rights are taken for granted by other races and peoples. Whites should start to stand up for these rights too. If Matthew would have pointed out the inconsistencies in Thom’s logic he could have made Thom look like a first class hater.

      So right. And if this stuff isn’t second nature yet, you’re still a newb. No offense meant by that Mr. Heimbach, we were all newbs once. I freely admit that I’ve only been doing this stuff online, so I’d be a newb at doing it in front of the camera in real time too.

  • archer

    I only watched a few seconds and had to give it up. The host obviously don’t know anything about white colonization of parts of Africa. There was no industrial agriculture prior to European colonizaton in Rhodesia or South Africa. A lot of these lands were not cultivated at all prior to the settlement of Europeans. Mugabee turned his country from a exporter of food to an importer because of virulent anti white racism, he’s just another commie wannabe that relies on murder and corruption to stay in power.

  • Terry

    The white race will not go extinct. God Yahweh won’t allow his people to be eliminated.

    • AngryWhiteMan

      Lol. Goddamn you’re dumb

  • scutum

    “The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have conserved their racial purity by a lack of affinity with washing, have seen their patch invaded by a different kind of slave: The Portuguese. These two races now share a common experience, fraught with bickering and squabbling. Discrimination, and poverty unite them in a daily battle for survival but their different attitudes to life separate them completely: the black is indolent and fanciful, he spends his money on frivolity and drink; the European comes from a tradition of working and saving which follows him to this corner of America and drives him to get ahead, even independently, of his own individual aspirations.”………Che Guevara

  • SouthernWhite

    WOW!!! I know i’m not exactly the vision of beauty myself, but does Tom Hartman look as horrible physically as he does intellectually about his hatred for the white anglo race

    • Southernwhite

      Tom Hartman, age is doing its Damage!!

  • i am

    I watched less than 10% of that garbage video. That guy (Hartmann?) is a sociopath. It is very easy t tell by his mannerisms.

    Whites stole from blacks? Ha

  • DaveP

    What, I’m supposed to be guilty forever over stuff that white Europeans did hundreds of years ago?? My Russian Grandmother was a Nazi war slave. Am I supposed to have hatred towards Germans forever because of it? No! I’m not a white supremacist at all because I think whites couldn’t stop killing another. History is full of Europeans senselessly killing one another. But I refuse any longer to be apologetic for stuff I had nothing to do with. And refuse to be quite any longer to let minorities get a free pass for degrading culture, lack of values and over all deplorable behavior!

  • eurobeing

    You are a credit to your race.
    What race.
    The White Race
    Beep Beep Bang Bang Hungawa White Powa.

  • spritsail

    Fascinating that the host is able to make absolutely racist statements while decrying the guest as a racist.

    Yes, maybe the host isn’t a racist. What loonies you are

  • LHathaway

    “What if our culture is inherently predatory”

    All Matthew had to do was say something like, “Is technology a blessing or a curse”? The host was making a legitament point, attempting to have a conversation. Perhaps our values do need to be examined. And that, white or not, our futures may be imperiled.

    Saying something, ‘Is technology a blessing or a curse’? would have force the host to explain HIS crazy beliefs. True or not, asking such a question would have also raised white supremacy beliefs (if you believe in that), without directly espousing such beliefs. Even the biggest welfare queen inhabiting the biggest city in the USA, cooking her grits and flipping her aunt jemima pancakes wouldn’t want to give up her cable TV or fruit blender.

    Why is Matthew going on talking about how, ‘we had no idea about viruses’ and couldnt’ be helped from wiping out all peoples of the world? Why not avoid the issue if possible? If whites gave natives diseases, wouldn’t natives also give whites disease? This idea doesn’t even make sense, to a liberal mind. . . Aren’t leftists always calling us ‘racists’ for worrying about exotic diseases? Are there leftists (anyone) who believes diseases strike people based on their race? Indians today should cower in fear of being around white men? thousands of years of evolution. . building immune systems that could fight these ‘never before seen diseases’ happened in 50 years and Now ‘indians’ have no fear of catching diseases from the white man? Leftist would be the first ones calling such talk ‘ignorance and racism’.

    • Svigor

      “What if our culture is inherently predatory”

      “First of all, I don’t see any ‘us’ here, Thom. We do not share a culture. There’s your culture, and then there’s mine.”

      Your culture, leftist culture, is inherently predatory, especially against white populations; in classic supremacist fashion, it lays claim to absolute hegemony over all European populations, everywhere. It consumes and destroys them, and recognizes no right on the part of its victims to secession, separation, or resistance.”

      My culture holds self-determination and sovereignty as core values; live and let live is one of its most dearly-held tenets. Leftists like you, of course, despise live and let live and deny the right of anyone to escape the leftist obsession with imposing its values on all of humanity, particularly European populations.”

      “By the way, just as an aside, I’d like to point out that predators are an indispensable part of nature, too. Leftists share the Christian conceit that man is not an animal, not a part of nature, so of course they abhor any conflation of man and nature, but there it is.”

  • Bunker Hill

    For the people who cannot do simple research: Thom Hartmann is of Norwegian descent. For Dude, I guess this means Norwegians are therefore derived from Hebrews. Hey pal, try breathing once in a while.

  • LastBastionOfHope

    The mainstream POV in America today is to be ashamed of being white and self-deprecation is required. What has it been, 150 years since slavery was abolished? Can you think of any other group of people that is blamed for things they had absolutely zero connection with back in the Civil War era? Blacks LOVE victimhood. They love excuses to have chips on their shoulders. They know there are huge double standards and they take full advantage with their anti-white sentiments.