Asians: Too Smart for Their Own Good?

Carolyn Chen, New York Times, December 19, 2012

At the end of this month, high school seniors will submit their college applications and begin waiting to hear where they will spend the next four years of their lives. More than they might realize, the outcome will depend on race. If you are Asian, your chances of getting into the most selective colleges and universities will almost certainly be lower than if you are white.

Asian-Americans constitute 5.6 percent of the nation’s population but 12 to 18 percent of the student body at Ivy League schools. But if judged on their merits—grades, test scores, academic honors and extracurricular activities—Asian-Americans are underrepresented at these schools. Consider that Asians make up anywhere from 40 to 70 percent of the student population at top public high schools like Stuyvesant and Bronx Science in New York City, Lowell in San Francisco and Thomas Jefferson in Alexandria, Va., where admissions are largely based on exams and grades.

In a 2009 study of more than 9,000 students who applied to selective universities, the sociologists Thomas J. Espenshade and Alexandria Walton Radford found that white students were three times more likely to be admitted than Asians with the same academic record.

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{snip} Yale’s student population is 58 percent white and 18 percent Asian. Would it be such a calamity if those numbers were reversed?

As the journalist Daniel Golden revealed in his 2006 book ”The Price of Admission,” far more attention has been devoted to race-conscious affirmative action at public universities (which the Supreme Court has scaled back and might soon eliminate altogether) than to the special preferences elite universities afford to the children of (overwhelmingly white) donors and alumni.

For middle-class and affluent whites, overachieving Asian-Americans pose thorny questions about privilege and power, merit and opportunity. Some white parents have reportedly shied away from selective public schools that have become “too Asian,” fearing that their children will be outmatched. {snip]

At highly selective colleges, the quotas are implicit, but very real. So are the psychological consequences. At Northwestern, Asian-American students tell me that they feel ashamed of their identity—that they feel viewed as a faceless bunch of geeks and virtuosos. When they succeed, their peers chalk it up to “being Asian.” They are too smart and hard-working for their own good.

Since the 1965 overhaul of immigration law, the United States has lured millions of highly educated, ambitious immigrants from places like Taiwan, South Korea and India. We welcomed these immigrants precisely because they outperformed and overachieved. Yet now we are stigmatizing their children for inheriting their parents’ work ethic and faith in a good education. How self-defeating.

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Some educators, parents and students worry that if admissions are based purely on academic merit, selective universities will be dominated by whites and Asians and admit few blacks and Latinos, as a result of socioeconomic factors and an enduring test-score gap. We still need affirmative action for underrepresented groups, including blacks, Latinos, American Indians and Southeast Asian Americans and low-income students of all backgrounds.

But for white and Asian middle- and upper-income kids, the playing field should be equal. {snip}

We want to fill our top universities with students of exceptional and wide-ranging talent, not just stellar test takers. But what worries me is the application of criteria like “individuality” and “uniqueness,” subjectively and unfairly, to the detriment of Asians, as happened to Jewish applicants in the past. {snip}

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  • Canadian Seer

    Yes, Asians are so much smarter than whites that they have to come to our countries in order to live in safe, clean, affluent and tolerant societies or at least emulate our societies. They are so brilliant that they have to steal our technologies as they do not have the necessary creative brilliance. In spite of Mengleman’s assertions as to their genius I will continue to put my money on my own people, whose achievements in all scientific and artistic fields can not leave any doubt as to our abilities. And no, Engleman, their women are not beautiful but rather dull and clonish in looks, and their art is simply garish.

    • pcmustgo

      Their women are only beautiful if you view them as “rare”. Once you drown in them (and other non-whites) they are not so rare. They are normal and common and everywhere. There’s a spectrum of Asian women just as any other. Some are super hot, some are ok looking, and some are even ugly. Perhaps they score higher on the bell curve of looks because of their smooth , hairless, skin, symmetrical features, obsession with fashion/dressing feminine, naturally slim physique (yes, genetics DOES play a role in some of the weight issue, Asians ARE naturally tiny and slim). But that doesn’t mean they are all beautiful.

      Because they are almost always short, they make good matches height wise with short white men who have a harder time finding dates than tall men.

      • pcmustgo

        Oh, and as he mentioned, yes, dull and clonish in looks or at least clonish. Whites have a much, much, much more diverse range of phenotypes and faces and appearances. Asians kind of do all look the same. The super hot ones are hot in the same way and the ugly ones are ugly in the same way

        • Doppleganger

          If you ask most people who didn’t grow up in “white” countries, they’ll tell you that white people look the same too.

          You need to grow up or otherwise live among a race of people before you can readily sort out the distinctions and nuances among them.

          • pcmustgo

            Sorry, not possible. Asians closed off eyes make it hard to peer into the soul. They almost look “faceless” even though their faces are not ugly. Yes, I can usually tell the difference between Koreans and Japanese, etc, and yes, they are not 100% the same looking, but no way are whites as similar looking as asians. 100′s of different hair colors, eye colors, etc make for much more “difference”. Body shapes too.

          • pcmustgo

            Also, I’ve lived in NYC (and Brooklyn at that) for almost my entire life. It’s full of Asians. I went through a period where I had more asian, and black friends than white friends. Please don’t tell me I don’t have experience with Asians on a close personal level and a group level. Also went to a university that was almost 50% Asian. Also worked in a predominantly asian neighborhood for several years.

      • Anon

        “Because they are almost always short, they make good matches height wise
        with short white men who have a harder time finding dates than tall
        men.”

        Bingo ! That’s exactly the hidden admission I read every time the sinophiles here love to promote asian women. I live in the SF Bay Area, and 9 times out of 10 you will indeed see that the White guy is either ugly, plain and/or a short guy. The same phenomenon goes with black men who seem to always end up with an obese bleached blond White woman.

        White women come evenly in all shades and physiques unlike the other races who are either mostly skinny (asians) or mostly overweight (blacks). We are the most balanced race intellectually and physically and that’s why they all want to live with us, and look like us whether they want to admit it or not.

        • pcmustgo

          I’ve only once seen a white male I would consider dating with an Asian female… (and I see tons of this pairing here in NYC) And as I took a second look at his face, I stress the “consider” part. Though , granted, I’m pretty picky on looks, sad to say.

          I will say, just as the stats bare out, FAR FEWER WHITE MEN WIND UP MARRYING AND BREEDING WITH THESE ASIAN WOMEN. DATING IS ONE THING. All the yuppie’s babies I see in Park Slope and other SWPL areas are all a bunch of blonds.

          • Athling

            No Asian, Hispanic, or black will ever be able to produce this…

          • Canadian Seer

            No, the dusky races will never be able to reproduce anything other than a brown-eyed, black-haired clone. I have known many Asians and many, many of them, in unguarded moments, will let slip their feelings towards whites. Dumb, smelly, dirty, trashy…such wonderful descriptors. Most of it stems from jealousy. On paper they are smarter than us yet we create everything. They storm the barricades (how I wish we actually had them) to live amongst us and the more attractive of us are infinitely more attractive than they and have such wondrous diversity of features. How they stew on that.

          • Ugh

            Where do you think white people got the diversity of features? From mixing with various groups. From blondes mixing with duskier versions of what we now call white. You claim to value “diversity of features” but you do not value dark to medium light skin, black/brown hair (of various textures) and brown eyes (of various shapes).

          • Graccus123

            Yep. and that’s exactly why the Whiter looking a woman is in all the rest of the world, those are the ones who win THEIR beauty contests. Successful Indian, female movie starts are the ones who look the Whitest. Universal truth.

          • potato78

            Indians like to have white skin color.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po1Q0UQSODY

          • Get Real

            Yes they can. You must not get out very much.

            1. There are some groups in northern India and central Asia that can produce a kid like that.

            2. There are white Hispanics — people in South America whose families are from Ireland, Germany, France or Spain and never mixed.

            3. Blacks who have mixed significantly can produce a kid like that.

          • Bernie

            “There are white Hispanics — people in South America whose families are from Ireland, Germany, France or Spain and never mixed.”
            How does that invalidate Athlings point? Aren’t they white then?

          • potato78

            Skin Bleaching Epidemic in Jamaica.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9T9SNi-u6M

          • josh

            no…but they can destroy this…

          • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

            In the end, that’s all that matters. Blood and Soil are totally divorced from all the sideshow semantics.

            Intellectualism, Elitism, Mimickers of Societies…. pffft!

          • Gracchus123

            Bingo!!! And isn’t that the whole point!!????

          • potato78
          • OlderWoman

            Beautiful. What I would supposed a cherub looks like.

          • josh

            STOP being so picky and give some love to us white guys! You can see we are beseiged by the flotsam and jetsam of the world!

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        Rare is the last word I think of when seeing Asians, there are billions of them, stacked together tightly on one whole side of this planet… and spreading.

        • JohnEngelman

          and achieving.

          • nobody

            Achieving their goals of taking advantage of America? Achieving their goals of operating a filthy disgusting Chinese restaurant in crappy poor neighborhoods? Achieving their goals of running baby mills in California? Which achievements are you speaking of John?

          • JohnEngelman

            Achievements like these: “Nationwide, the percentage of Asian American students scoring in the upper echelons on math exams was 17 points higher than the percentage of white students. Notably, that gap has continued to widen in more recent years. In Virginia, for example, Asian American students’ advanced-level math performance leapt from 59 percent to 76 percent between 2006 and 2009, compared with an increase from 43 percent to 58 percent for white students.

            “In Maryland, that same pattern was apparent on reading tests. The percentage of Asian American students who tested in advanced levels grew from 40 percent to 58 percent between 2006 and 2009. The percentage of white students in that category grew from 35 percent to 48 percent.”
            http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-04-05/local/35231851_1_asian-american-students-white-students-achievement-gap

          • pcmustgo

            They are very hardworking. No question about that. Asians are harder working and more disciplined than your average white who has perhaps grown too privileged and lazy by growing up monied…or middle class.

          • Heff

            How many times must someone ask the moderators to get rid of this troll? If you want your movement to fail, please keep trash like this around. Please.

        • Get Real

          Depends on how you are categorizing Asian? Of course there are billions of them when you lump everyone who isn’t African or European into the category “Asian.” You’ve got South Asians, Central Asians, East Asians, Pacific Islanders, etc with vastly different physical looks and cultures.

          And yes Asians are rare in the Western world, making up less than 5% of the population outside of Asia.

          • pcmustgo

            Nope, not vastly different looks. East Asians/Orientals all pretty similar looking, SouthEast/Indian Sub-continent Asians all pretty similar looking.

        • GM (Australia)

          Billions, yes, that is why they were very wisely excluded from both Australia and the USA until quite recent times.

        • potato78

          Whites have already spread onto every corner of the world.

      • nobody

        They are tiny and slim because they have been eating rice and fish for hundreds of years.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

      “safe, clean, affluent and tolerant societies”

      Of course Japan, Korea, and Singapore are poor, dirty, and full of crime. While Russia is a white paradise. There more factors to a nation’s sucess then just race. As for their women, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I personally find them very beutifull, certanly better than the fat feminist trash that I see a lot of at my college. They have class. Call me a race traitor.

      • dazed

        Russia had decades of malignant Jewish Communism that only ended 20 odd years ago. The fact that they still exist as a White society is testament to race. China, on the other hand, drowned their female children and eat live monkey brains. And the Japs lie about eating whale and beat live dogs to tenderise their meat.

        So, when you say a society has success (and I assume morals) for more reasons than race, I don’t know what you’re talking about.

      • JohnEngelman

        Japan, and Singapore have among the lowest murder rates in the world. In South Korea the murder rate is half ours.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

        • Sean

          They also have homogeneous societies and less insidious media influence. Yes on average they are more intelligent, but they also lack creative thinking.

          This isn’t to denigrate Asians. They are a pleasant people generally, however if they truly are a master race then they should create and live in their utopias in Asia and leave white countries to white people.

          I care very little about supremacist bickering. I am a Nationalist, damnit.

          • Get Real

            Do you guys even bother looking up the information you put out?

            John: Japan and Singapore, in particular, are known for being amongst the cleanest and safest countries in the world. South Korea is also very clean and safe.

            Sean: Singapore is hardly a homogenous society. It has 3 major ethnic groups – the Malays (Muslims), the Indians (Hindu) and the Chinese (Buddhist/Christian). If anything, the country is very tolerant. The country officially celebrates the major holidays of each group and encourages each group to continue using/learning their heritage languages. South Korea and Japan are homogenous.

            Why aren’t you complaining about white people going to Asian countries? As for white countries for white people, I agree that European countries are white countries. However, New World countries (Australia, Americas) are not white countries. From the very beginning these countries were multicultural (with indigenous peoples, black slaves, Asian laborers, etc.), even if the white majority refused to acknowledge them in the 1800s.

        • nobody

          They also don’t have sprawling dangerous lawless black and hispanic neighborhoods all over the place and a media that promotes violence and destroys the traditional family unit.

          • JohnEngelman

            That is indeed true. The United States would be better off without large black and Hispanic populations.

            As far as Hollywood is concerned, I regret the passing of the Motion Picture Code. That prohibited nudity and obscene words.

          • Johnnie Appleseed

            The United States would be better off with out your kind JohnEngelman.

          • JohnEngelman

            Why? Because I admire a race characterized by intelligence, industry, low crime, and sexual responsibility?

          • Johnnie Appleseed

            Charles Murray in “Coming Apart: The State of White America” speaks about the breakdown of the family, the increase in violence, and the decrease in responsibility amongst 100 Million White Americans.

            I remember reading how the Germans were considered the barbarians in Europe. A few decades of growth and they felt racially superior to others, feeling entitled to slaughter and wipe out those “inferior” to them.

            As recently as the 1960′s and 1970′s the Asians were considered backward and poor, where all the wars were being fought. The South Koreans were amongst the least economically developed of peoples. Now, after a few decades of growth, the South Koreans are some of the most racist people i have ever engaged in conversation with.

            But its not just economic growth. Look at the North Koreans, one of the least developed nations on earth. The North Korean authorities are known to engage in infanticide when North Korean woman impregnated by Chinese men, are “captured” and forcibly returned to North Korea.

          • Korean guy

            “The South Koreans are some of the most racist people i have ever engaged in conversation with.”

            I always try everything I can to be friends with non-Koreans and learn from everyone I meet. This is what Koreans and Japanese do. We try to learn from everyone we meet.

          • pcmustgo

            I try to learn from Everyone I Meet too… I learned that Koreans are often a bunch of cliquish, clannish, conformist drones who often resent whites. The Japanese at least have manners. Don’t take it personally, but a lot of us have had a lot of painful experiences with non-whites, including Koreans.

          • Magician

            “The Japanese at least have manners”

            *sigh* yeah, Japanese women absolutely love how they are treated by their men.

          • pcmustgo

            And also promotes trashy behavior on the part of females- sex, drugs and rock and roll… Americans imitate what’s on TV….

      • nobody

        Well that is your problem. You probably go to a liberal college and the girls you are chasing after are probably bra burning militant commie lesbians. They think you want to chain them up in the kitchen forcing them to have babies for 20 years straight. They would rather go out and date black guys and have 3 abortions a year. That is much more politically correct and acceptable. You really think Asian women have “class”? Have you ever been to Asia? You ever seen an unwashed illiterate Asian rice paddy field farmer? The Asians we get here are probably the best of the bunch over there, you should see the trash that they leave behind.

      • pcmustgo

        Your college is of course loaded up with fat femnist, clueless trashy type women. But their are other settings where you can meet white women who dress feminine and have a clue and aren’t into feminism or liberalism. There’s a lot of different white subcultures here in NYC that don’t fit the fat, liberal, butchy model.

    • JohnEngelman

      Scientists have discovered that white people tend to choose other races when asked to rate which faces they find most attractive.

      The scientists discovered that white men prefer the facial features of Asian women while white women go for the faces of black men

      Men and women aged between 18 and 30 were shown 600 faces of the opposite sex and asked to grade them for attractiveness.

      The women tended to go for black male faces, followed by white and then Asian.

      Men plumped for Asian women, followed by white, then black.
      http://www.amren.com/news/2012/02/why-white-men-are-more-attracted-to-women-with-asian-faces-humans-are-hardwired-to-fancy-other-races/

      • nobody

        Speak for yourself. Asian women look like young girls, they have prepubescent bodies not a womanly figure. What are you, some kind of chester or something? You attracted to that kind of thing?

        • JohnEngelman

          The small number of Oriental women I was proud to call girl friends had womanly figures.

          • pcmustgo

            They do have nice symmetrical features…

          • JohnEngelman

            And they are very seldom overweight.

          • Heff

            Caucasians are FAR more attractive and diverse. Asian women constantly pursue white men. I’ve seen it endlessly.

      • Canadian Seer

        Not this white male, Mengleman. Asians are clone-like in appearance and the women are bland and have little sexual femininity. The fact remains that whites and only whites have such diversity in physical appearance. If you revere and worship a people who off their little girls with such seeming gleeful abandon, who leave young children who have been hit by a car to bleed to death by the roadside while walking by unconcernedly, who feel manufacturing poisonous infant formula in order to make a quick buck is OK, who relish torturing animals to make them tastier and who in general seem incapable of showing empathy towards their fellow humans and other creatures then I think that says more about you than it does us. Surely there is some sinophile website you would feel more at home at?

      • pcmustgo

        Yeah, but those studies average in what we already know- that chunk of white women that prefer black men and the chunk of white men that already prefer asian women, which can effect the results of what the study is trying to study.

        • pcmustgo

          Could the studies results be effected by already existing preferences?

      • Heff

        Scientist have also concluded that people of all races agree that white women are the most attractive of all female races and that white men are more attractive than their Asian counterparts. Jealous much?

        • JohnEngelman

          I documented my assertion with an article that appeared on this website. You provided no documentation at all.

    • Anand

      For people who use such arguments, remember that Europeans moved to all corners of the world to escape overpopulation, persecution, hunger etc… China supports 1.3 billion people in land the size of the US. India supports 1.2 billion people in land one-third the size of the US. Neither will never be able to have a European or US standards of living, and it will be a few decades before their populations start declining unless their economic growth magically goes to 10 percent a year for another decade.

  • Puggg

    Yale’s student population is 58 percent white and 18 percent Asian. Would it be such a calamity if those numbers were reversed?

    Ron Unz has demonstrated that Harvard, Princeton and Yale have become de facto Yeshivas.

    • pcmustgo

      Well the Jews are also wealthier as a group, so perhaps they can afford that Yale tuition more and don’t need as much scholarship money as non-jewish whites?

      • Puggg

        Unz’s very long article isn’t about affordability, it’s about admissions. And, there are plenty of well to do Asian Americans that can well afford the Harvard bill.

        http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

        • pcmustgo

          Yeah, but admissions is effected by the admissions people’s guess at who can actually afford to come. “Scholarship Kids” will be judged more harshly.

      • Dr. Möbias

        Did you bother to read the article?

        It has nothing to do with whether or not Jews can afford the ivies over non-Jews as to why Jews are favored over non-Jews for admission. It has to do with ethnic networking and locking out whites from prestigious universities to lower their status.

        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/12/ron-unz-on-the-illusory-american-meritocracy/

        • pcmustgo

          Doubt they’re favored. Plenty of WASP professsors and administrators. Jews are more likely to come from Upper Middle Class, Educated backgrounds… and the high test scores don’t hurt. Your average Jew is nerdier than your average white. Not a supremacist statement, just the truth. Doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of brilliant whites out there or that all jews are intelligent or gifted.

        • JohnEngelman

          A white Gentile complaining about “ethnic networking” for Jews reminds me of a black person blaming low black achievement on white racism. Admit it. The Ashkenazim are the most superior race in existence.

          • Tom in MI

            How do you define race?

          • JohnEngelman

            I would say that a race is a subspecies of humans that has maintained a fairly unique gene pool for at least a thousand years or so. The Ashkenazim are a sub race within Caucasians. Orientals are a sub race within Mongoloids.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jessica-Bates/100000284781928 Jessica Bates

            ” I know that the Ashkenazim and the Orientals are superior races.”

            You are here to provoke. Try going onto a site belonging to the chosen people and claim that Whites are the superior race. You’d have a court date in minutes.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Ashkenazim and the Sephardim are white.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jessica-Bates/100000284781928 Jessica Bates

            They are no more White than a tare is like a stalk of wheat.

          • 6ix Pack

            The Ashkenazim are superior in the sense that leeches are better parasites than mosquitos. Admit it. They are the bane of Western civilization. The East does well not to tolerate them.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

      Jews are about 25% percent of the student bodies of those colleges.

      • i am

        and about 98% of the white population of those same colleges, if you were to consider them white.

        • JohnEngelman

          On the average the Ashkenazim are more intelligent than Orientals, who are more intelligent than whites.

          • nobody

            My IQ is 132. I am as white as it gets. I am leaps and bounds beyond the intellect of most Asians or Jews for that matter. Not trying to brag but that is a fact. Intelligent whites have shaped this world. No matter how intelligent an Asian is they just don’t have that spark of creativity that whites do. You could argue your point all day but you know and I know that the Asians are only good at adding to and improving upon existing ideas, not coming up with original ideas of their own. Sometimes I question why you even frequent this site John, it seems like all you ever do is talk about why Asians are so much better than whites.

          • JohnEngelman

            Western technical and scientific superiority over the Far East, and particularly China is due to a number of historical accidents that are being corrected as I write this.

            After the Chinese expelled the Mongolian conquerors in 1368 the Chinese indulged in their version of American exceptionalism. They became xenophobic, and decided that they were “the middle kingdom,” surrounded by inferior nations who had nothing of value to teach them.

            While this was happening, the Italian Renaissance was beginning. It was only during the Renaissance that European civilization really pulled ahead of rivals in the Mid East and Far East.

            When European countries began to interact with China in the nineteenth century the Manchu Dynasty had entered into the organic decline that Chinese dynasties historically entered into after a century or more. Moreover, the Manchus were not considered to be Han Chinese, so they were resented as foreign conquerors, as the Mongolians had been resented earlier. As a result they were not able to enlist Chinese nationalism against Western aggression.

            When Sun Yat Sen died in 1925 no Chinese leader emerged with his leadership ability and integrity. Mao Tse Tung and Chiang Kai Shek were dictators who valued personal power more than the well being of China. Their civil war impeded the development of China, as did the Japanese invasion. Now China is ascending, as the United States is obviously in decline. Indeed, some posters who contribute to this website advocate secession. The United States is having difficulty competing with China. The division of the United States into two or more countries would make that competition impossible.

            Xenophobia is an interesting word. It describes some of those who post on this website, and particularly those who resent my presence here.

            ————

            Definition of XENOPHOBIA

            : fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign.
            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia

            ————

            I am a Nordic Gentile, but I am fascinated by other cultures even though I do not consider them to be of equal value.

          • Canadian Seer

            Right, Mengleman, it was all an accident. I am not xenophobic. I do not fear other cultures. I happen to think they are inferior to mine and certainly do not want them or the people that spawned such failed societies living in our lands. Poor Mengleman, I don’t know if you are truly a gentile but you sure seem Nordic in the modern sense. Filled with disdain for your own people, including your ancestors, while worshiping others. Move to China and see what wonderful, kind and open people they really are. There is a reason they flood our countries, dontcha know?

          • JohnEngelman

            I appreciate the achievements of Western civilization while acknowledging those of the Orient. I do not insult those I disagree with on this website.

          • pcmustgo

            And how “rare” the beauty of Asian women is. How “rare” their black hair is.

          • Gracchus123

            The puzzle to me is that since this is a “White advocacy” site, why are you here since you seem to prefer to advocate for other races?

          • JohnEngelman

            I am here because I agree with the sentence by Thomas Jefferson that is at the top of this page, “There is not a truth existing which I fear or would wish unknown to the whole world.”

            When expressing the high admiration I have for Jews and Orientals I have an easy time quoting statements by Jared Taylor, others who have spoken at American Renaissance conferences, and articles that have appeared on the American Renaissance website.

            I frequently submit articles that appear here, including the one that begins this thread.

          • 6ix Pack

            You submit articles here for one of two reasons: 1. to start an argument 2. to support an argument (usually something about Asians or the tribe).

          • JohnEngelman

            I have enjoyed political arguments ever since I was a child advocating the integration of Westlawn Elementary School in Falls Church, Virginia. I think I am good at it.

            I enjoy investigating different points of view. You only seem to want to confirm what you already believe.

          • Heff

            Uh no. You are a troll who enjoys conflict.

          • Heff

            “I have enjoyed political arguments ever since I was a child advocating
            the integration of Westlawn Elementary School in Falls Church, Virginia.”

            …but you don’t seem to actually be able to pick the right side of an argument – something that I’m rather good at. As a child, I would never have been stupid enough to advocate for what you did. Get lost troll.

          • pcmustgo

            Even reading all those Asian names and chinese history is boring me right now… I can’t even read it , it’s so boring.

          • pcmustgo

            Communism didn’t help China much either.

            Oh, being fascinated by other cultures is totally a White Thing. The Asians don’t get fascinated by much of anything….

          • Joseph

            Definition of NUISANCE

            an obnoxious or annoying person, thing, condition, practice, etc.

          • JohnEngelman

            i annoy those who do not want to be told the truth.

          • Doppleganger

            China historically lacked the wealth and political stability needed to do research, until now. They have only really started for the last 25 years or so, and are playing catch-up (hence all the direct investment and alleged espionage). To say they lack creativity is short-sighted and false. An advanced China would be similar to Taiwan or Japan (two of the most productive nations on earth), but on a much larger scale.

            An IQ of 132 is high for anybody, including other whites, not just Asians and Jews. Even your claim is true, a 132 also isn’t that impressive compared to true geniuses, and arguing about who is more or less creative is pointless. What have you done lately that’s so great?

          • Gracchus123

            Racial IQ is not about individual accomplishment but about potential within the race. After all, there exist 2nd and 3rd sigmas even within the black population, but not enough to make a difference across the race.

          • pcmustgo

            Half Jewish, if the SAT to IQ conversion charts are to be believed , I’m a 137

          • pcmustgo

            My other half is also a very high IQ white group…. feel free to guess.

          • potato78

            You only can improve yourself or be motivated by Asian smartness.

            Your fine innovation was based on Asian raw innovation.
            Then Asian better innovation is based on your fine innovation.
            Things happened in progressive way, and layer by layer.

          • Gracchus123

            He likes to spread his socialist/Marxist propaganda and denigrate Whites by constantly pointing out how jews and orientals have larger IQs than Whites. He never, however, encourages people to read Charles Murray’s book, HUMAN ACCOMPLISHMENT. Go figure.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have a lot of admiration for Charles Murray, and wish he would speak at an American Renaissance conference. This is my favorite passage from him: “Insofar as I am suggesting that the Jews may have had some degree of unusual verbal skills going back to the time of Moses, I am naked before the evolutionary psychologists’ ultimate challenge. Why should one particular tribe at the time of Moses, living in the same environment as other nomadic and agricultural peoples of the Middle East, have already evolved elevated intelligence when the others did not?

            “At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God’s chosen people.”
            http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/jewish-genius/

          • pcmustgo

            THEY DIDN’T…. THEY PICKED UP THEIR HIGH IQ FROM MINGLING WITH/MARRYING HIGH IQ/WEALTHY WHITES IN EUROPE… Arabs and native Israeli Jews do not have the High IQs of Ashkenazi Jews.

            I am half jewish btw.

          • pcmustgo

            Jews probably became very wealthy merchants and bankers in Europe and insisted on marrying only the best whites.

          • JohnEngelman

            According to “The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution,” which is positively reviewed here:

            http://www.amren.com/ar/2009/05/index.html#article1

            the Ashkenazim developed their high IQs during a thousand year period when they were largely inbred.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

            Oh whatever. “Creativity” is what bantu children who can finger paint have. It cannot be measured. In terms of problem solving, Asains are superior to whites.

          • GM (Australia)

            As I have posted previously it is great to have Mr Engelman on this site, he really keeps the discussion active! (I really do mean this)

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you. :)

            Sometimes I feel like a boxing champion who agrees to pay a large sum of money to anyone who can last two rounds with him in the ring, and who defeats challenger after challenger without losing his breath.

            I am used to being alone here. Nevertheless, I appreciate any support I get.

          • 6ix Pack

            I’ve seen you owned on here multiple times. You’ve made numerous claims, been debunked, then fled to another thread. Get lost troll.

          • JohnEngelman

            When have I been “owned?” My opinions are fact based and logically reasoned. I frequently substantiate my assertions with quotes from Jared Taylor, others who have spoken at American Renaissance conferences, and articles that have appeared on this website.

            You don’t see me fleeing from this thread, do you?

          • 6ix Pack

            You should be evicted from this tread….and every other one.

          • JohnEngelman

            Why? Because I post facts you do not want to believe?

          • pcmustgo

            Creativity or PASSION… maybe it’s asian’s lack of emotions/emotional restraint that keeps them from having PASSION… which is what fuels intellectual and all other curiosities…

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

          Read the study.

  • Pelayo

    Asians are doing just fine as far as college admission. Ms. Chen isn’t seeing or doesn’t want to see the true detriment to Asians and it’s the same detriment to Whites. I taught for 44 years and I had numerous Asian students with whom I still keep in touch after ten years as these kids move into successful careers. I never saw any strife between the Asian students and the Whites. Asian-American and European- Americans have much in common one of those things being that they are both targets for Afro-American violence.
    MS. Chen you are a successful professor in your chosen career. Enjoy your life and stop trying to find anti- Asian race hatred among Euro- Americans. If you want to see hate, look to the Black community.

    • pcmustgo

      Excuse me, I live in a city with a large Asian population. I’ve had several racist incidents with East Asian and East Indian friends and strangers alike. I no longer look to them to be friends and am almost as wary of them as I am of Blacks in terms of emotional (not physical of course) animosity.

      Saying Asians and Whites love each other and have no issues with each other is like saying Blacks and Latinos just love each other so much…

      Yes it is Asians and Whites on top and Blacks and Latins on the bottom, but that doesn’t make it all love.

      Here in NYC, I see a sprinkling of assimilated asians or two hanging out with Whites… just a sprinkling, just a few more than there are Oreo blacks who hang with whites. And that is often for the reason of Asian women needing to zone in on white women so they can access white men. Black women who date white men also do this- they need “white (same gender) friends” to advertise themselves as being open to dating white. Not the only reason, but one for sure.

      • pcmustgo

        I never see Blacks or Mexicans hanging together and even Blacks hanging with Puerto Ricans is rare, no matter how black and ghetto Puerto Ricans act.

        Seems whites are the most socially tolerant/inclusive/accepting group.

        I see more white women hanging with black women than puerto rican women with blacks… ain’t that something? No, not often, either case.

      • pcmustgo

        But I’ll forgive you, I used to think East Asians were perfect and no different than whites too!

        Another huge difference is that the VAST MAJORITY OF ASIAN AND INDIANS ARE FROM RECENT IMMIGRANT BACKGROUNDS… They’re immigrant types. Nuff’ said.

        • pcmustgo

          Confused and resentful, not fully a part of American society immigrant types.

      • i am

        I had some Asians friends in high school. They seemed OK, but every now and then their true hatred for whites would show. As they got older they joined Asian gangs and beat up white kids. I remember one Asian telling a friend “Thanks for letting me use you.” That statement sums up their true feelings about whites.

        • GM (Australia)

          As I have said on a previous post; 1, If you even accidentally cross an Asian, you have an instant enemy, I think it is part of their culture of saving face. 2, The worst bully I ever had to put up with back in schooldays was a big Asian, you could just see the hatred and contempt in his eyes. I am talking about a semi-rural community over 50 years ago when Asians were really a minority.

          Just remember, their ways are not our ways.

          • pcmustgo

            “Saving Face” versus white honesty, integrity and attempts at understanding.

            I’ve also heard APOLOGIZING IS AN ENTIRELY WESTERN/WHITE CONCEPT… TRUE?

            Forgiveness maybe too.

          • pcmustgo

            The asian women can also have quite a “snotty” attitude.

        • pcmustgo

          Ditto for me… The biggest issue you will face with Asians is that for many in heavily Asian/Diverse areas like NYC, you are merely their white friend (before they realize racial mixing is just a youthful stage in life and go full throttle Asian-American and 100% of their friends are Asian) and like all non-whites, they will favor their own people over you, and you will notice you are excluded from their inner circle which is all of their Asian friends.

          You will feel very betrayed by this if you did not engage in this kind of behavior towards them yourself.

          My friendships with Asians also lacked depth. They were “Ok”, and perhaps not as resentful/hostile as Blacks, and some were even close friends, but none were “best friends”.

          • pcmustgo

            Interracial friendships tend to dissolve as people get older…. in your teens and early 20′s they are possible in a sort of superficial way, but as you get older your ability to trust what their intentions are grows weaker with each and every negative experience with them.

            A lot of blacks and asians and non-whites who want to be friends with whites are just experimenting. At the expense of your time and your feelings. Time you could be spending making friends with people you are much more likey to develop lasting bonds with and not have so many issues of awkwardness with- white people.

        • JohnEngelman

          The two best friends I had in high school were Chinese Americans. I never detected any “true hatred for whites” in them because it did not exist. They backed me up against high school bullies, who were always white.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

      Read Mr. Unz study, the evidence there is pretty damming. That doesn’t mean that Asians and whites don’t get along, it just means that there are some racists at the ivy leage admisions departments. I’ve known many whites who hate the asians almost as much as the blacks hate the whites. These are usually left-leaning, stupid unsucessfull people who dislke those who succeed.

    • Hendrick

      I thought the Blacks just hated/killed one another; isn’t that what the statistics bare out?

      Also, what is the deal with Americans and the position of victim? Why does every ‘race’ in America want to portray themselves as more victimized than the other? It is such a weak position, you do not see this in Germany. I never expected to see it in Americans (well, I did expect to see it in some Americans). Is this a cultural shift that is happening?

      • pcmustgo

        Because WHITES HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED… and it was painful for me, and we’re tired of our pain, our stories, our experiences not counting. I have been a VICTIM of racial hostility from non-whites. I wouldn’t make such a big deal out of it if society and the mainstream media didn’t try to deny or excuse away whites being victimized. This denial is the real clencher for whites.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

    East & South Asian students:
    *are obsessed about elite education
    *study more
    *cheat more
    *end up like everybody else, i.e. mediocre conformists

    • pcmustgo

      They are also obsessed with elite possessions- in a typically boring way. Chanel purses, designer clothes, etc, money, money, money , boring immigrant types.

      • Johnnie Appleseed

        Charles Murray, the guy who wrote the “Bell Curve” that I have seen quoted in many comments on this website also wrote a book last year called “Coming Apart: The State of White America” that speaks of 100 Hundred Million White Americans falling by the way side here in America.

        The problems in America run a lot deeper than race. While you have been blaming Americans of other races, the ELITE have effectively removed money from your pocket over the last 40 years.

        Median Wage Stagnation.
        A 40 year phenomena only in America

        The crisis of middle-class America – FT.com

        • KenelmDigby

          What you are saying is correct, but it was mass immigration (an elitist policy), that ruined wages.

          • Johnnie Appleseed

            Moderators keep removing my comments.
            Let the man speak.

            You’ve allowed yourself to be divided and conquered and are on the road to slavery.

            The Elite has made QUICK WORK of the American Middle Class and you are contributing to their victory by blaming other Americans of various races.

            When I say Elite, I do NOT mean the Jews. I mean the Elite in all nations of all races who are turning the American Middle Class into a huge slave labor pool to exploit.

            The Elite who laugh at the silly Americans who are fighting and blaming each other because of differences in race, but who are blind the the true puppet masters who are leading them at warp speed down the road to slavery.

        • Bernie

          It is other race who blame us (as in this article in the very elite NY Times).

          • Johnnie Appleseed

            Satan has been dividing and destroying humanity for years on the basis for race.

            This Satanic racism is in all societies and civilizations.

            In Asia, the Japanese look down on the Chinese, the Chinese look down on the Japanese….the northern East Asians look down on the “darker” South East Asians in Thailand, the Philippines and Indonesia.

            In Europe, the Germans look down on the Eastern Europeans even to this day, 60 years after slaughtering 40 million fellow Europeans while the English look down on their noses at the Scots who inhabit the northern part of their small island.

            In Brazil and Columbia, racial divisions exist between those who classify themselves as Indigenous or Afro-descendant.

            The Arabs look down on the South Asian’s from Bangladesh who work building skyscrappers in Dubai and Kuwait.

            Etc. Etc.

            (see the exceptional book by Amy Chua titled “World on Fire”. See the book by Frank Dikotter titled “The Discourse of Race in Modern China”. See also “The Effects of Skin Color in the Americas’ by Edward Telles”

            Don’t allow Satans fallen angels to infiltrate you and use you as a tool.

            Ask Jesus into your heart to cleanse you from the hatred that Satan has instilled in humanity since the beginning of time.

            We are all Gods children and have all been made in Gods image.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Moderator

            Disagree if you must, but save the quasi-religious screeds for elsewhere. Your last warning.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jessica-Bates/100000284781928 Jessica Bates

            Wait a minute… I leave for 5 minutes and there is a deleted quasi-religious screed?? Why was I not notified?? fg

          • Joseph

            I don’t think it rises to the level of “screed” but it probably could degenerate to such.

          • Winter Warlock

            That’s kind of harsh. I’m not religious or anything, but I found your response a tad over the top.

          • potato78

            What can we do, as human? Human, in a certain way, just like birds with small brain, never open mind. That is why human created a Jesus as son of GOD.

          • GM (Australia)

            To J Appleseed; yours is a thoughtful post but I seriously question the it is statement that is often made that “racism ” is a sin, often elevated to the status of a cardinal sin. From a Biblical perspective we should also remember the Babel factor as well as the O.T.victories over the enemies of God’s people. Yes all rather complex.

            We are also told in the N.T. that we are all ONE in Christ and that there is “no Jew, Greek or Gentile” This is a wonderful vision but just remember the majority of Asian immigrants into the Christian West are definitely NOT in Christ.

            I remember when I was much younger reading a book called “The Normal Christian Life”, a very popular book with followers of the Bretheren movement. It was written by a Chinese evangelist by the name of Watchman Nee. Watchman Nee’s criticism of the character his own Chinese race, (those not in Christ) was damning and would probably not be printed in these PC times.

          • Libssux

            The problem is most people don’t see the world the way you do. Most of us separate by race, religion, nationality, etc. Be horrified at it all you want, but it’s reality.

          • Joseph

            I don’t “hate” people just because of their race; I just want to be left alone. I don’t want to live with some of them who now impose foreign conventions and immorality on me at my expense.

            I have absolutely no animus toward my white neighbors; I just don’t want them moving into my house, using my toothbrush and driving my car.

            If blonde, blue-eyed Canadian criminals start swarming into the country insisting on French services, having chain-families on welfare and taking over the legislatures, I’ll be equally pissed off, if that makes you feel better.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1097611607 Robert Griffith

            I just can’t take anyone who speaks of “Satan” and “Angels” seriously. I mean, maybe the hobbits, the Dwarfs, and the Drow are the real culprits behind all of this. LOL!!!!

          • cogito ergo sum

            Well, it’s his reality and he finds comfort in Jesus. As long as he isn’t hurting anybody, what does it matter? It’s easy to make fun of people who have faith in things unseen. It takes wisdom to understand why they do. The majority of humanity has faith in things unproven. It doesn’t make them unworthy of respect. I’m not religious, but I can appreciate the comfort it gives people. You shouldn’t be so judgmental.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Moderator

            I deleted my harsh admonition of earlier today.

            However, AR is not the right place for open religious proselytization, and we also like to keep the debate over religion qua religion to a minimum, because there’s no winning much less logical sense in arguing faith. Of course, arguments about the sociological functions of religion, religion’s affect on society, its affect on WN/RR/HBD, its affect on white society, is perfectly within bounds. But we don’t need the Thirty Years War re-fought on these threads.

    • potato78

      They have to be conformists, right?

      If not, they will be hammered by no stop white reformists?

      • NYB

        If Asians were equal to whites in every capacity, they’d be capable of setting up their own elite, world class universities in Asia.

        But no. They flock to Australia, Canada, the U.S. and Britain, where they attach themselves like barnacles.

        • potato78

          Far East Asians are apples, White Americans are oranges.

          It’s incommensurable.

          The best way to interpret that they are complementary.

          • Remington

            “The best way to interpret that they are complementary.”

            Nice grammar and out of context plagiarism, junior.

            That “complementary” quote you stole here applies to men and women, not to Whites and asians. Whites don’t need asians to complement them at all, and the fact that you need us doesn’t give you the right to force us to blend with your obvious physical, intellectual and economic inferiority.

            It’ s you guys who keep copying our cultures as well as immigrating to and studying in our countries, NOT the other way around.

            Get back to us after you have at least passed a basic ESL class, little boy.

          • potato78

            East wind/West wind, who blended who? East wind never force West wind to be blended with East wind. I only can see that West wind force East wind to be blended with West wind. No doubt about that from propaganda point view.

            Sounds like you have hatred or anger inside you. I don’t know why. Maybe your culture or something else.

        • fsagas

          Actually countries in Asia are doing well. I guess you don’t know that China is on the rise?

          South Korea, Japan, Singapore are considered 1st world countries.

          • JohnEngelman

            And the United States is in obvious decline.

          • GM (Australia)

            But they still want to flock to USA, Australia Canada etc!

          • JohnEngelman

            After a year in Abu Dhabi, Jackson did a second job search in the United States. Once again, no bites. She’s now happily employed as a tenure-track assistant professor in Hong Kong, and her husband is a science instructor at the same university…

            Sean Love, 27, traded a job as a medical research assistant in an “understaffed and underfunded” lab at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore for a similar job in Singapore. But the new position comes with better funding, happier co-workers, twice the number of vacation days, nearly free health care and a much higher quality of life.

            Love’s girlfriend, who had spent months fruitlessly searching for a nonprofit job in the Baltimore-Washington area, had two appealing job offers within two months of moving to Singapore. Other friends who moved to Asia had similar experiences.

            “Asia is without a doubt the new land of opportunity for those brave enough to buy a plane ticket,” Love says…

            “The opportunity is in Asia,” he says. “Staying in the U.S. right now is not how you really up and make a name for yourself.. . . Asia presents you an opportunity to get out of the mess in the U.S…

            There are more opportunities in Asia “simply because of the higher growth rate,” explains Megan Fitzgerald, an international career coach based in Singapore, who says young Americans are drawn to the money and the sense of possibility in the Eastern Hemisphere.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cant-find-a-job-move-overseas/2012/11/23/b7322ef4-3273-11e2-9cfa-e41bac906cc9_story_1.html

          • Heff

            Well, why is that Mr. Engleman? Hmmm…seems to me that a certain people you admire have contributed substantially.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

          I suppose people in France and Eastern Europe are also racially inferior.

          • JohnEngelman

            According to Richard Lynn, who has spoken at American Renaissance conferences, they are.

            http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

          • Sean

            Empirically, sure. Objectively, no.

        • Doppleganger

          Students go abroad for other reasons besides studying, like seeing different parts of the world. They also leave their home countries because the university seats there are limited and competition is fierce. Your assumption that they come here because our schools are necessarily better is way too short sighted.

          Also, Asia does have its own world class universities. It’s far more likely you’ve just had no interest in learning about them.

    • Johnnie Appleseed

      I’m a little sad to see how you have allowed yourselves to be
      divided and conquered by the Global Elite Money holders.

      Isn’t your anger and rage directed
      at the wrong target, while the Global Elite continues to destroy the American
      Middle Class?

      The Real Median Wage for American
      Men has declined 28% since 1970. (See the article in the Financial Times titled
      “Times Grow Harder for the US Working Man”).

      Meanwhile, while the Global Elite
      has declared an open WAR on the American Middle Class, other regions Middle
      Classes are absolutely exploding.

      The Latin American Middle Class
      grew by 50% over the last decade (See the World Bank report titled “Economic
      Mobility and the Rise of the Latin American Middle Class’’, )

      The African Economy is
      experiencing an economic revolution (See ““The Fastest Billion: The Story
      Behind Africa’s Economic Revolution,” and see also, “As the Rest of the
      World Slows, Africa Accelerates”).

      Ya’ll know about the success of
      Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, China, Japan and now even Vietnam,
      so I’m not going to touch on their profoundly amazing successes, other than to
      note that China has managed to lift 400 million of its citizens out of poverty
      and into the middle class over the last 20 years.

      Keep your anger and rage directed
      at the wrong target, while the Elite that has outsourced your Jobs to Eastern
      Europe, India, China, Russia etc. will in a few years send your kids to fight,
      bleed and die against many of the same nations that they sent your jobs to.

      Wake up and smell it. You have
      been effectively divided and conquered and are punching against the wind.

      Your misguided rage is being
      fueled by Satan.

      Pray for your nation and your
      fellow Americans because the time is short.

      Ask Jesus Christ into your heart.

      Blacks, Whites, Asians, Latino’s,
      Elite and Non-Elite, have all been made in Gods image and we, each and everyone
      of us, have sinned and fallen short of Gods glory.

      Thank you Jesus for dying on the
      cross for our sins, raising yourself from the dead and breaking and defeating
      Satans power over our lives.

      I am curious now and will have to search the web for similar
      sites by Americans of other ethnicities. There are undoubtedly segments that
      have also subcumbed to the divide and conquer strategy.

    • JohnEngelman

      Asian students do not need to cheat in the class room any more than black students need to cheat on the basketball court. Asian students achieve more because they are more intelligent.

      • blindsticks

        They’re no more intelligent than any one else. It’s an inbred thing. From birth and cradle Mummy and Daddy immigrant instil in their children the rule of having to study harder to survive in the western (racist) white world. Just as if if an American or Brit went to India or Japan he or she would have to be a bit more special than an equivalent local. Not that the Indians or Japanese are racist you understand.
        Because as everyone knows – or ought to know – that- that can only be a whitey thing.

      • GM (Australia)

        Cheating by Asian and Indian students here is widespread and systematic.There are even services providing language assistance to the point where they can pay to get their assignments done for them. Then of course the student visa system is simply institutionalized immigration fraud

      • falsedawn

        I don’t give a rat’s behind if orientals cheat or not or are the smartest people to roam the earth. The only thing that matters to me is White people learn good breathing, good position, bringing their sights on six o’clock bull, taking up trigger slack and letting the round go at exactly the right moment.

      • Heff

        Asian students do, in fact, cheat…and steal ideas generated by Caucasians. I’ve seen this in my school, repeatedly.

    • Doppleganger

      That’s a stereotype. There is no way to know how much anyone is studying. Lots of students try hard, and it’s not just Asian students. It only seems like they do more because we constantly hear about their top grauates. But for every Asian star, there are 4 or 5 who don’t fit the mold.

      Contrary to popular belief, affirmative action isn’t entirely harmful to whites. It has a mixed effect. Here’s how college affirmative action really works for each race:

      Asians- Hurts them by giving seats to blacks, hispanics and whites

      Whites – Helps them by protecting seats that would otherwise be given to Asians. Harms them by giving up seats to blacks and hispanics

      Blacks & Hispanics – Helps them by getting seats from whites and Asians

      • potato78

        In US, actually Asians don’t have any power to do anything, basically powerless.
        Even white americans have to listen to blacks and Jews from political point view.
        Otherwise, White Americans are called “Racists”. Nobody likes the affirmative action. But what should we do?

    • potato78
    • Anand

      Bardon Kaldian, out of curiosity, why are you a member of Hispanic Women’s Network of Texas – Austin Chapter per your Facebook profile? You are bold posting your picture and full name here.

    • k8

      That might be true, but I think it’s gravely unjust, when some black gangster tool who spends all his time practicing to be a rapper can get into a good university, just by barely getting 800 on his SATs, whereas some Asian kid can spend all his time studying, get 1600 on his SATs and get rejected from the same school.

  • pcmustgo

    Excuse me?

    “Yet now we are stigmatizing their children for inheriting their parents’ work ethic and faith in a good education. How self-defeating.”

    YOU DON’T SEEM TO MIND PUNISHING WHITES FOR THEM AND THEIR PARENT’S HARD WORK ETHIC AND FAITH IN GOOD EDUCATION!

    “For middle-class and affluent whites, overachieving Asian-Americans pose thorny questions about privilege and power, merit and opportunity. Some white parents have reportedly shied away from selective public schools that have become “too Asian,” fearing that their children will be outmatched. {snip]”

    AND THEIR KIDS DROWNING IN LITTLE, FACELESS, UNASSIMILATED IMMIGRANT DROWNS WHO ALSO HAVE THEIR OWN ANTI-WHITE RESENTMENT ISSUES, who form racial cliques where whites are excluded and who mock whites as being dumb, racist, cultureless, clueless bimbos, who mock whites in common conversation or in plays or videos posted on the internet.

    Asians- a group fully capable of ganging up on whites…

  • pcmustgo

    I don’t find Asians to be nerdy or even “geeks” at all. Just hardworking, drone-like test takers. They don’t have the personality or genuine intellectual passion involved to be a nerd or a geek. Nerds and geeks actually have personalities, however nerdy and geeky.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

      This is a moronic generalization born completely out of stereotypes. I know many asians, and they are certanly intellectually superior to whites, and they have “personality” for god sakes. In my expierence, a “personality” is something that vilage idiots have, sure there stupid and ugly, but hey, they’ve got great personalities.

  • SoCal Local

    Oh Carolyn, if you REALLY care about your racial fellows, ask them how they feel around blacks and Hispanics before you decide to buddy up to those groups with offers of affirmative action. I dare say most Asians are happier feeling a tad nerdy around whites than they would be feeling dire threat from Pedro and Rufus. Polls of minorities reveal that all groups express a preference for whites over any but their own racial kin.

    You need to expand your horizons, get out of the old boys club and into the street, where reality is unvarnished.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    I see more racial thinking now more than ever. Everyone comes here and thinks that it is their time to push us aside and make their mark. And all these cockroach non Whites don’t have this problem in their home countries, those hell holes will be there for posterity, but our wonderful culture? Step aside West, step aside.

    Yes, an Ivy League school with 60% Asians would indeed be a calamity. Our calamity, but not theirs.

    • GM (Australia)

      Also just remember who established the Ivy League Colleges or for that matter any other great institutes of learning!

      • Get Real

        Your point being? The U.S. was not built only by whites. Without the land of the natives, the forced labor of the blacks, and the labor of the Asians (railroads) the country would not have gotten to where it is today.

        And why do you insist on non-Whites identifying with their “home countries”? Do white people still identify with their home countries? Everyone who has ever come to the U.S. has come because they felt their own home countries were hellholes.

        • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

          Pardon me? I can count in my ethnic lineage such hellholes as England, Ireland, Germany, the Czech Republic, Poland, Russia, Italy.

          • potato78

            You are hybrid enough so that you can not be counted in your ethnic lineage. You are called “White American”. You should only have America culture. not European culture.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            Okay, I admit it. I’m a mutt.

            But I’m not equal parts all those things. German-Czech-English-Italian are my major constituents, Irish-Polish-Russian-Jewish my minor parts.

          • bursinfur

            You’re a caucasian European, of Germanic and Slavic descent. That does not make you a mutt.

            Don’t ever allow anyone to tell you that you are.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Don’t EVER let your enemies define you.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            Fear not, I think I have plenty of daily reminder that I’m white.

          • Anand

            You are part Jewish and identify with whites? Very interesting and rare. I bet half the whites here hate your guts for that small percent of your ancestry.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            I am as much Jewish in reality as Indian as the dime store Indian (Fauxcahontas) (Elizabeth Warren) falsely claimed to be. Which is to say, not much.

          • pcmustgo

            I’m half Jewish and visit this site daily. All Jews are looked upon by non-whites as being “white”. They almost all pass enough and they’ve been here for a good 100 years now, so all the recent new non-white immigrants see them as establishment whites.

          • bursinfur

            American is a civic identity, like being British, Canadian, or Australian. Anyone can be given a passport and declare themselves as one of the above.

            It is only proper, right and natural that white Americans can and should identify with their ethnic identity, whether it’s, English, Irish, German, Danish, Polish, Russian or French, or any combination of the above.

        • Gracchus123

          “Labor” is always easily had. White “brains” built this country. White vision built this country. White invention built this country. White exploration built this country. Don’t try to spread that cultural Marxism here.

          I would gladly give up the labor of those minority groups to NOT have their descendants here now. Think of where we could be without them!!!

        • GM (Australia)

          My point being that it was White Europeans who established the great institutions of learning in this world such as Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Yale and the great universities in France and Germany They were not established by Asians or Indians. As to who did the bricks and mortar, that is irrelevant.

          • convairXF92

            Just to note: while whites did found Harvard, one of the goals of 1600′s Harvard was to educate and enlighten the Native American. Five Indians matriculated at Harvard shortly after its establishment. One graduated, two succumbed to the white man’s diseases freshman year, and the other two liked their summer jobs (printer, sailor) so much as to prefer the jobs to classwork. The printer in fact took “Printer” as his surname and became master of Harvard’s printing press and editor of its Wampanoag-language works. Harvard then attempted to establish an “Indian School” intent on producing well-mannered, Protestant Indians; the building was built but the School soon dissolved in bureaucratic mess.

        • Dr. Möbias

          Your comment is SILLY.

          You anti-whites are not telling any non-whites that they don`t belong in their own countries because their ancestors took the land from other non-whites centuries ago.

          No,you only ever try to justify the genocide of white people in white countries.

          Genocide is genocide,whether it is committed by bullets and mustard gas or mass immigration and social engineering makes no difference.

        • pcmustgo

          PUH-LEASE, WE DON’T INSIST ON YOU GUYS IDENTIFYING WITH HOME COUNTRIES, WE DO OUR BEST TO ASSIMILATE YOU … YOU, YOU, YOU INSIST ON IDENTIFYING WITH YOUR HOME COUNTRIES WITH YOUR IDENTITY POLITICS DRIVEN MANIA AND ENDLESS HYPHENATED-AMERICAN ETHNIC CLUBS AND GROUPS ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND EVERYWHERE ELSE. Talk about projection!

    • pcmustgo

      Yes, racial ethno-centrism is growing. It’s trendy to bash whites and get all into identity politics.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jessica-Bates/100000284781928 Jessica Bates

    I keep getting told how wonderful the asians are, and how intelligent they are. I’m waiting for them to do something to impress me. Fireworks and tiny versions of Western electronics isn’t going to do it.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

      See all the major inventions that occured before the 1500s. I am a realist when it comes to race, but I don’t believe it is responsible for evrything imaginable. Japan is richer than Russia for more reasons than race. As for their electronics, as a computer scientist I can say that they are way more than “tiny versions of Western electronics.”

      • i am

        Russia had some of the smartest people in the world before the Bolsheviks killed them off (like Pol Pot did in Cambodia). Russians were very good in math and science in the late 1800s.

        • Kblankenship7

          Russians also wrote some great literature.

      • MerlinV

        Have to go back to the 1500s huh? I see.

        • Get real

          What’s wrong with going back to the 1500s? Civilizations rise and fall over centuries. By your logic, once Western civilization declines for a few centuries (as it inevitably will since nothing good lasts forever), whites will be an inferior race? All their past accomplishments mean nothing and their potential for greatness will have disappeared? Give credit where it is due, and people might take you more seriously.

        • nobody

          What is with the Asian worship? If you guys love those dog eaters so much move to China or Korea. I got no time for them. They don’t come here to assimilate into our culture and become American they come here to exploit this country. They don’t pay taxes and they hire illegal immigrants, things we are supposed to be against here. Around here not only do they bring their entire family to work here illegally but they hire hispanic border jumpers to work in the kitchen, none of them speak English and none of them pay income tax.

          • josh

            To them,America is NO different than the Phillipines,Indonesia,Africa or any other place where they clannishly try to dominate the economy. That maudlin sacharrine vomit that they throw at us(They come for a better life! They want nothing more than to be Americans!Their families blah blah blah) must be rejected for the bullsh*t that it is.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

            The reason they dominate the economies in those countries is the same reason whites dominate the economy in South Africa.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

            Asians pay more taxes than whites because they make more money. They do hire illegal aliens, but so do whites. I used to live in a rural area, and it’s safe to say that no asians owned farms, but a large portion hired illegals.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

          Because the genetic stock of Asia changed so much since that time.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jessica-Bates/100000284781928 Jessica Bates

        Oh, still not impressing me. Thomas Edison, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Tesla, Ford, John Glenn, Wernher Von Braun, Beethoven, Bach, James Clerk Maxwell and on and on and on… Who are you going to counter with? Effing Sulu from Star Trek??

      • Joseph

        Important aspects of Japanese manufacturing infrastructure and process was in fact set up by American reconstruction after WWII. Even their famous continuous quality-control by which they devastated the US auto industry (and rightly so) owes to Americans whose philosophy was rejected here by entrenched American manufacturers of the time.

    • i am

      They did make some of the fastest motorcycle for a while, until BMW spanked their a**.

      I also like Chinese food and Sushi.

    • JohnEngelman

      Go to a department store and see where most of the produce is made. Where was your PC made? Mine was made in China.

      Japanese cars and consumer electronics have out performed American cars and consumer electronics for several decades.

      • blindsticks

        So John, what is your point?
        Unless you’re Asian.

        • josh

          DUH! I call him John Engelchan!

        • JohnEngelman

          The points I have made are that Western supremacy over the Orient is coming to an end. With higher average IQs I expect the Oriental world to surpass the Caucasian world in this century.

          • pcmustgo

            Yeah, because we’re being loaded down with muslims in Europe and mexicans here in the US. And they don’t have 30 million blacks to support in Japan.

            You’re probably right- better hope they let your white a— in…

          • JohnEngelman

            No country benefits from a large black population.

      • Sean

        Did the Chinese invent the computer?

        Or, do the Chinese simply care so little about their people that they force them to work in horrible conditions to please us white consumers?

      • IBWHITE

        John Chinaman you’re wrong again.The German manufactured cars have set the standard for decades. Mercedes, BMW, Porsche and Audi have continued to bring cutting edge technology to the automotive industry. Watch the Le Man racing series and look who constantly finishes in the top three. The Asians simply copy German design.

        • JohnEngelman

          I said the Japanese produce better cars than Americans. I did not say they produced better cars than Germans.

          However, of the thirteen best cars tested this year by Consumer Reports eight are Japanese. One is American. Of the four worst cars tested two are American, one is Japanese.

          http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/12/top-cars-in-our-tests/index.htm

          • IBWHITE

            You were blubbering on about the superior Asian technology – Germans are White if you have not noticed.

          • 6ix Pack

            You meant “white” by “American” troll. Don’t try to weasel out of it mister “boxing champion.”

          • JohnEngelman

            I just looked at my comment again, and I wrote “American.” The Consumer Reports article I liked to said that this year the Japanese made most of the best cars.

      • Joseph

        Go to the CDC and see where most of the influenza and drug-resistant gonorrhea is made.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jessica-Bates/100000284781928 Jessica Bates

        Most of the fruits and vegetables in California are picked by illegal mexicans. I don’t have posters of illegal mexicans in my bedroom.

  • Skipper

    As always, the end game for the various minority advocates is to push out the peoples of European ancestry from every institution in the nation. Every other group must be accommodated in one way (e.g. affirmative action) or another, while those of European ancestry are expendable, even to the point of total elimination. European-Americans should be very wary of what agendas the Obama administration with Eric Holder as Attorney General will be implementing over the next four years. They will use the power of the federal government to restrict the entry of European-Americans from educational institutions and employment. Also, expect the minority advocate NGOs to become more radicalized as they anticipate the implicit backing of the federal government in their lawsuits and other actions.

    The forthcoming four years will be very ugly, and European-Americans will have to fight for their rights and justice like never before.

    • Hendrick

      Lol. Who are you people, and what rock have you been living under? There are billions of Asians who for the most of the 20th century lived under one despotic regime or another. Those of them that managed to escape to the West did so because they were: A, rich; B, extremely intelligent; or, C some combination of the two. Why wouldn’t you have expected the children of such people to perform accordingly? Especially with their parents constant urging and prodding to succeed.

      As for Obama and Eric Holder, were you around for the last four years? Obama isn’t going to do much of anything about immigration. Perhaps we’ll be able to poach a few Greek, Spanish, or Eastern European scholars as the Eurozone continues to collapse.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        Obama didn’t do anything about immigration, except ignore enforcing immigration law for the most part (like most modern Presidents), and enact a form of amnesty via executive order.

        “We” will mostly reject white economic refugees from the crumbling Eurozone. Don’t doubt me.

        • JohnEngelman

          The Washington Post August 27, 2012

          As of July, Obama deported 1.4 million illegal immigrants since the beginning of his administration — that’s 1.5 times more immigrants on average than Bush deported every month, according to official numbers from the Department of Homeland Security*. But that’s only part of Obama’s deportation strategy: The administration’s stated goal is to prioritize the deportation of criminal, dangerous illegal immigrants. And it’s promised to make a new program called Secure Communities mandatory by 2013, which would force local law enforcement to share fingerprints of those arrested with the Department of Homeland Security, which has immigration records, through the FBI.

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/27/obama-is-deporting-more-immigrants-than-bush-republicans-dont-think-thats-enough/

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            Do I have to go through this again?

            I suppose I must.

            Here I go again:

            1. The Obama admin counts turning away an attempted border jumper at the border as a “deportation.”

            2. I suspect highly they’re counting the ICE process of starting civil deportation proceedings, which rarely actually results in an actual deportation, (and the Obamaites know it), as a “deportation.”

          • Heff

            ….and mister boxing champion goes down for the count. 1…2….3…

          • JohnEngelman

            I don’t think so. The Washington Post is a credible source.

      • Skipper

        My reference was C. Chen’s article where she advocated supposed quantitative “merit” not holistic evaluation of Asian applicants, and affirmative action admissions for the other non-white applicants. So if you have not noticed the Asian ethnic advocacy groups have backed the pro-affirmative action lawsuits brought by other minority groups. The resultant based on Chen’s positions is that whites are pushed out, and in effect expendable in the zero-sum game of college admissions. My impression from the subject article, and other NYT linked articles with their postings is that many people would not be in the least perturbed if whites went to zero percent of admissions.

        Also, if you compare the test scores of the upper echelon of whites in this nation and compare them to the Asians (who tend to be disproportionately from the upper echelons of their native lands) there will be very little difference. And there are a lot more upper echelon whites in this nation than Asians. The Asians should have no complaints about their admission statistics to the elite schools.

        My concern about the forthcoming four years of the Obama administration is based on statements from them that not given the factor of re-election they will be more radicalized, and an aspect of this is being anti-white. This is manifest in numerous “disparate impact” lawsuits or administrative actions brought by the DOJ, or other government agencies. Furthermore, the Obama administration has promised to proceed with “comprehensive” immigration reform legislation in his second term and virtually all these immigrants will benefit from affirmative action / disparate impact – all at the expense of whites.

        • HadEnough

          Skipper, you’re on the money with this: “My impression from the subject article, and other NYT linked articles with their postings is that many people would not be in the least perturbed if whites went to zero percent of admissions.” The simple fact is that all races loathe each other (it’s natural, after all), and within the ethnic campground called the USA, the only thing that unites the minorities is their mutual dislike of whites. White dispossession is the only thing they can agree on, so they go at it with gusto. No minority, no Jew, and no liberal would bat an eyelid if a year went by with no white Gentile admitted to a college anywhere in the country (provided we kept supporting higher education with our taxes, of course).

          • pcmustgo

            Please, the White Liberals and Jews would be up in arms if their precious little geniuses didn’t get into Yale…

            Hit them where it hurts. That’s the ONLY time they’d stop to care about all this diversity. Only when it effects them.

        • pcmustgo

          Interesting for you to mention class. Yes, I believe the Jews are mostly upper middle class (I was raised that way) and class drives a lot of this academic achievement too.

          Social Class and being raised by “Upper Middle Class”, educated and cultured parents goes a long way in instilling these values and translating into bright kids.

          Rich white men who marry dumb trophy wives better watch out though… it’s questionable whether those women can insert the right values.

  • Tom_in_Miami

    Get rid of Affirmative Action and let students be judged for admission on merit. Asians don’t like to be passed over for lesser qualified whites any more than whites like to be passed over for lesser or unqualified blacks. Let the chips fall where they may.

    • ATBOTL

      We must do what is in white interests. “Let the chips fall where they may” is not acceptable.

      • Get Real

        How about doing what is good for the country by allowing qualified people, regardless of race, to get a good education and contribute to society? We all benefit that way. A dumb white person is just as bad of a doctor as a dumb black person.

        • nobody

          So what you are saying is that white America doesn’t allow specific races to get a good education and contribute to society? Interesting.

        • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

          Multiracial societies do NOT work because they are always dependent on a level of equalization that goes against the very idea that races have different abilities and different levels of comprehending the same set of circumstances and information. Your utopian idealism does not change some pretty basic fundamentals of behavioral science. You might as well say we should never let dumb people do stupid things.

          • pcmustgo

            And DIFFERENT CULTURES….. that aren’t that easy to change just by desiring to do so.

        • pcmustgo

          Dumb whites are not allowed to flunk the medical tests and still get to become doctors via affirmative action.

    • pcmustgo

      Yes, and whites will seek out more white universities at a certain point so as not to drown in Asians.

  • APaige

    SAT scores for 2012.

    Race Reading Math

    • JohnEngelman

      Since the school year of 1986 – 87 Asians have increased the gap in SAT scores for mathematics. For many English is a second language. Nevertheless, they have closed the gap in reading.

      http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

  • Guest

    I couldn’t bare the psychological burden of being given preferences based on the direct assumption that im less capable than others. Affirmative action is an open admission of racial differences and how can “latinos” have the nerve to get angry when those differences are pointed out elsewhere when one of their greatest prides is affirmative action, is beyond me. They pay lip service to middle class values as a cliche that others expect to hear but they dont really understand their reason of being and thus are not willing to compromise to those values. On the other hand they get pride from contemptible things as affirmative action or criminal “heroes” that the only thing they have done for hispanics is to reinforce a bad image.

    Given these extraordinary differences, is there really something in these peoples mentality that we can appeal to?

    Im convinced that there are strong predispositions to differences in tastes, values, character intelligence… and in the “language of nature” physical appearance is a trait that never goes alone, it has something to tell us about the owner, the same way you recognize a venomous plant because of its flowers or leaves.

  • Johnnie Appleseed

    Wow. This is the first time I have come across this website.

    I’m a little sad to see how you have allowed yourselves to be divided and conquered by the Global Elite Money holders.

    Isn’t your anger and rage directed at the wrong target, while the Global Elite continues to destroy the American Middle Class?

    The Real Median Wage for American Men has declined 28% since 1970. (See the article in the Financial Times titled “Times Grow Harder for the US Working Man”).

    Meanwhile, while the Global Elite has declared an open WAR on the American Middle Class, other regions Middle Classes are absolutely exploding.

    The Latin American Middle Class grew by 50% over the last decade (See the World Bank report titled “Economic Mobility and the Rise of the Latin American Middle Class’’, )

    The African Economy is experiencing an economic revolution (See ““The Fastest Billion: The Story Behind Africa’s Economic Revolution,” and “As the Rest of the World Slows, Africa Accelerates”).

    Ya’ll know about the success of Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, China, Japan and now even Vietnam, so I’m not going to touch on their profoundly amazing successes, other than to note that China has managed to lift 400 million of its citizens out of poverty and into the middle class over the last 20 years.

    Keep your anger and rage directed at the wrong target, while the Elite that has outsourced your Jobs to Eastern Europe, India, China, Russia etc. will in a few years send your kids to fight, bleed and die against many of the same nations that they sent your jobs to.

    Wake up and smell it. You have been effectively divided and conquered and are punching against the wind.

    Your misguided rage is being fueled by Satan.

    Pray for your nation and your fellow Americans because the time is short.

    Ask Jesus Christ into your heart.

    Blacks, Whites, Asians, Latino’s, Elite and Non-Elite, have all been made in Gods image and we, each and everyone of us, have sinned and fallen short of Gods glory.

    Thank you Jesus for dying on the cross for our sins, raising yourself from the dead and breaking and defeating Satans power over our lives.

    I am curious now and will have to search the web for similar sites by Americans of other ethnicities. There are undoubtedly segments that have also subcumbed to the divide and conquer strategy.

    • William Allingham

      I dont think that is polite to reduce what we do as “anger directed to a target” we make research and have rational thinking that looks for the well-being of our people, its not like uncontrolled emotions, we base our judgement on a bigger picture, not solely on some middle class statistics, also i dont think you would like if someone went to a Global Elite forum and tell you to stop preying Jesus because hes part of the hoax (I dont mean that this is the case, just an example to illustrate how subjective things can turn) or that you are all wrong and HAVE TO revere Hitler (or some nonsense like that), I think that hold on to religious ideas in order to tell others what to do and what not to do can be very effective in dividing people that otherwise would have similar aims.

      Anyway, even if the intention of your comment was not a bad one, im sick of being painted as irrational hater when most of what we do can only be achieved because we leave out wishful thinking and make deeper analysis of the situation.

      • Johnnie Appleseed

        Here’s a good book filled with plenty of FACTS.

        Charles Murray in his book “Coming Apart: The State of White America” speaks of a hundred of millions of American Whites falling by the wayside.

        The problems in the USA run a lot deeper.

        Wake up and smell it.

        You have allowed yourself to be divided and conquered.

        While you are lashing out at other Americans because of their race, the Global Elite has been taking money out of your pocket for 40 years.

        Median Wage Stagnation.

        A 40 year phenomena, but only in America.

        See ” The crisis of middle-class America, FT.com”

        • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

          The unspoken thesis in Murray’s book is that white people aren’t so much falling behind as they’re being disposed in the multiracial utopia you seem to endorse.

        • William Allingham

          well suppose that all its true, then we have to deal with why we have wealth they can steal in the first place, wealth that multicultural countries dont have. its like the Celts they were rich and free and perhaps too naive so they arose Romes greed.

          If we want a place where we can feel safe and have quality of life, where our fellows have roughly the same values then we are looking for a white country (believe me until not living in guatemala or haiti we have no idea what multiculturalism is, there life is so hard that we wont care about elites; intellectual and artistic pursues have no relevance when you are fighting for survival in hostile, multicultural societies).

          be it “The Elite”,or whatever at the end we dont have to do all the same things, we just have to cooperate for a common goal, each one in its realm (cooperating divisions).

          I’m agnostic but if i believed, i think Jesus would like us to do something and not sit and pray, life is a challenge and to expect someone to interfere directly into our affairs would make no sense, we are in this situation not because of lack of Christian believe but because we are too domesticated and mentally sedated. Little decisions made by many people have a huge impact, and to think that the elite is omnipotent (and only God can defeat them?) is somehow superstitious and i dont think it does much good (like the prophecy that fulfills because you are leading to it with your behavior), they have huge influence but they cannot afford to do anything they want, and thats why they take so much troubles because they need peoples permission and if they do the wrong moves there are others COMPETING to take the lead.

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

      We are hardly unaware of the global elite and its tactics. Unlike you, we recognize multiracialism as one of their tactics. As such, you’re the unwitting stooge of the global elite, not any of us.

      I’m as much of a Christian as you (I think), but being a Christian is not an earthly guarantee of anything.

    • nobody

      Ask yourself who compromises the group you refer to as “the global elite”. Once you figure that out, you have figured out why I prefer sites like AmRen. Of course we are getting screwed by those at the top, but just who are they? Who are the ones doing all the screwing? Is it rich white guys? Blacks? Asians? Hispanics? No. It is those who must not be named.

  • William Allingham

    I couldn’t bear the psychological burden of being given preferences based on the direct assumption that im less capable than others. Affirmative action is an open admission of racial differences and how can “latinos” have the nerve to get angry when those differences are pointed out elsewhere when one of their greatest prides is affirmative action, is beyond me. They pay lip service to middle class values as a cliche that others expect to hear but they dont really understand their reason of being and thus are not willing to compromise to those values. On the other hand they get pride from contemptible things as affirmative action or criminal “heroes” that the only thing they have done for hispanics is to reinforce a bad image.

    Given these extraordinary differences, is there really something in these peoples mentality that we can appeal to?

    Im convinced that there are strong predispositions to differences in tastes, values, character intelligence… and in the “language of nature” physical appearance is a trait that never goes alone, it has something to tell us about the owner, the same way you recognize a venomous plant because of its flowers or leaves.

    • Thor

      I like the conclusion: … and in the “language of nature” physical appearance is a trait that
      never goes alone, it has something to tell us about the owner, the same
      way you recognize a venomous plant because of its flowers or leaves.

  • Thor

    Regardless of their superior test grades, the creativity level of Asian scientists is pretty low. After all, electric power, computers, Anesthesia, airplanes, helicopters, nuclear power, and Skype were NOT invented by Asian. Even worth, I don’t know any great Asian composer of classical music. Conclusion: the best would be if Asians would live in Asian countries and Whites would live in their own countries. Thus there would be no potential for any sort of discrimination or exploitation.

    • asian kid

      check out Joe Hisaishi for music

      check out Murakami (artist) and Murakami (author), both ASIAN
      Gangnam Style? #1 video on Youtube? From Korea? What?!

      the printing press was created in Asia way before Gutenberg

      • nobody

        Gangnam style? That is your answer to Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart? A fat little (poorly) rapping and dancing Asian guy?

      • Dr. Möbias

        Let’s turn this around, shall we?

        You being Asian, how would you like it if your homeland were being inundated with millions of non-Asians who were putting an end to your historic culture and your way of life? What if you woke up one morning and saw that the leader of your Asian country was ethnically Pakistani? What if you suddenly found that Asian people are literally threatened with extinction through genetic annihilation? Can you even imagine that?

        That’s what we Europeans face.

        But you can’t sympathize, because this is not happening to you. Your race and your culture are secure. Ours is not. We Europeans are literally losing our nations and our identities, and people are actually cheering it on. They don’t do the same for any other race, just ours. Imagine patriotic Asians being accused of “racism” and “intolerance” simply because they want to save their identity in the face of extinction.

    • dazed

      They are not creative, and they, in general, lack common sense. That’s why the largely common sense activity of driving a motor vehicle has a negative stereotype attached to Asians.

      • pcmustgo

        I’ve always thought Japanimation was boring and lifeless and they make all their characters look white.

    • convairXF92

      Check out the great Japanese video-game score composers. They have some new and powerful tricks for creating buildup of tension. The up-and-coming young American composers are analyzing Uematsu to the max.

  • Odin

    It might be hard to admit but I have to agree: Asians are smarter. And not because they have better test scores but because they keep their countries for Asians and at the same time populate our land. Thus White People can soon loose their homelands, while Asian will keep their homelands.

    • Gracchus123

      And occupy what had been ours. Asians, especially the Chinese, take the long view of the world. So if it takes them 500 years to “own” North America, so be it.

    • Anand

      Ever look at a world map? 2/3 seems to be white homelands, so whites are smart in having invaded all these regions and eliminated natives. US, Canada, Russia, Australia, Argentina are massive in area and still predominantly white. Brazil is huge…but only parts of it are pure white it seems. And I have not even mentioned Western Europe or parts of South Africa in here. Asians are concentrated in one area….and the white population in all Asian countries is booming due to immigration and a search for Asian women.

      At least try to be honest.

  • asian kid

    Hi everyone,

    I just read through yours comments and I’m confused:
    Do you want us to conform to white values and traditions? Or be true to who we are: “Asian”?

    First of all, It’s not fair how you, “whites,” are simply, ignorantly categorizing people of my “ethnicity” into one mass race. Just like Europe, Asia’s made of many, many countries. Each country has a different culture, belief, philosophy. Not everyone’s “obsessed with elite possessions” or “obsessed about elite education.” That’s the way it appears because American culture promotes that: capitalism. Western culture has had a major influence in consumerism and the philosophy of wealth in Asian nations since the Imperialism Era. That’s especially the case with countries that have undergone rapid industrialization (Korea & China; but even then, these two countries are very different, morally and personality-wise).

    But on the other hand, the “Far East Asian” countries have very strong Confucian roots. The “bring honor to your family” crap is partly true. There is a lot of burden that younger generations carry because older generation Asians have grown up with such tradition. It’s been changing gradually as more Asians learn to embrace Western individualism. On that note, Asian countries are very community-based. That’s why you may think we all look alike and mass together. It’s just very tight-knit. If you refer back to (ancient) history, you’d be able to see how and why the East differs so greatly from the West.

    I also want to comment on Asians “not having a personality.” That’s utter bullshit. I’m guessing you haven’t traveled much. Asians are humans too. Sadly, you haven’t met anyone Asian on a deeper level. Or are unable to distinguish the subtle characteristics that differ from person to person (Asian or not).

    From what I’ve encountered so far, people who make derogatory comments about Asians are people who are afraid to see change or interact with change. I’m sorry you don’t appreciate diversity, but the world would be a lot less interesting if we had no multicultural interactions. I’m glad my parents sacrificed their lives to give me a chance here in the U.S. I’m glad I can share my own culture with those have yet to encounter it here. I’m glad to learn and grow from the experiences I gain every day in a community so diverse. Just remember that we’re all human. We all have flaws and strengths. Don’t let your fear or pride get in the way of learning and growing every day. Keep challenging your beliefs. It’s worth it.

    I went severely off-topic, but my point is to urge anyone reading this to not compartmentalize Asians into an easy-fit stereotype. Because humans can’t be described with stereotypes.

    • Hello

      To answer your question, I and most people here believe it is not biologically possible for you to conform to American values and traditions. That’s what Race Realism means.

      • asian kid

        then are you saying that people on this website would rather have people of my color removed from America? how is value and tradition biological? I don’t think you have to be white to act white.

        • Guru

          Can a white person be an Indian? According to you logic – yes! Can a white man become president of Karea or China or Israel. According to you -yes! Can a white man be a chief of an Inidian tribe. You would say yes, since value and culture are independent of race (I would say this is nonsense since the culture is equivalent to race). White people here discuss what to do to save our homelands from being taken by other races. In Korea and China this is not a problem, so might not be able to understand us. Check video “How Whites Took Over America” on you tube.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faNge-o0V-k

          • Get Real

            Again, you keep mistaking the U.S. for a white country. A white person’s homeland is in Europe. I can guarantee that only a few generations back, your ancestors were from Europe (not the U.S.). While whites ran the U.S., other races have contributed significantly to the development of the U.S. without receiving much acknowledgement. Nowadays, we are learning to share the country in peace. It does not have to be a zero sum game.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Get Real: if you can’t stand living in the successful, first-world nations that Whites conceived of and built, then you’re welcome to leave. If you find Whites to be “irredeemably racist” then you can go live in the dumps that your co-ethnics built. Your historical failures are not the fault of whites.

            Everything you white-haters have, you have because of us. You are using a machine invented by a bunch of white people while you scream “racissss!” at us.

            You anti-whites should thank us for all that we’ve given you instead of attacking us like the spoiled children that you are. Without Europeans the world would be a cruel and barbarous place. We’ve given you everything, and you give us nothing in return but your impudence and resentment.

            Do us a favor and just shut up.

        • ATBOTL

          When Asians were 1% of the population and almost all born here they were not a problem. Now they are 6% of the population and climbing rapidly. Most are immigrants who have brought anti-white attitudes with them and they are most definitely a problem.

          Values and traditional are most definitely biological. Western culture cannot survive without Western people.

          • Get Real

            You speak of Western culture as if it has remained static through time. What culture are you imagining that you should preserve? The culture of your great-grandmother is certainly not being kept alive by you. Are you dressing the way people did in her time? Eating only the same foods? Living the same kind of lifestyle? Using the same language (of if she spoke English, the same manner of speaking)?

          • Dr. Möbias

            When and where did you first start hating whites?

            Tim Wise has been quoted as saying: “In forty years or so, maybe fewer, there won’t be any more white people around. You’re on the endangered list. And unlike, say, the bald eagle or some exotic species of muskrat, you are not worth saving.”

            He gets paid six figures a year to spew his hate speech.

            Was it Tim Wise the anti-White who brainwashed you?

          • pcmustgo

            We also live in a culture now that encourages all non-whites to hate whites, get into identity politics, etc… YES, THAT CULTURE MATTERS… PC colleges and media drive a lot of this.

          • JohnEngelman

            If comments in this thread are typical of white attitudes, the problem is anti Oriental attitudes by whites.

            Now I can understand anti black attitudes, although there are blacks that I like and have liked. Nevertheless, anti Oriental attitudes are based on xenophobia and envy.

          • potato78

            White problems are jealousy about Asians because they are smarter than whites in certain extent.

        • SmithandSmith

          How is Value and Tradition biological you ask? I don’t know but I can tell you this, look at the West and then look at the East. What do you see?

        • JohnEngelman

          asian kid,

          Please don’t leave the United States. Please do not stop posting on this website.

      • asian kid

        http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racial_realism

        I guess I just entered the racist part of the Internet. I’ll leave if you guys don’t want my opinion.

        • SmithandSmith

          You have to be able to take it or be able to just ignore it. Free Speech Dear Asian Kid. Give your opinion all you want, just don’t cry when you get one back.

          As for the “racist part”, give us a break. You non-whites are the most “racist” people on Planet Earth.

          • JohnEngelman

            A number of posters here wish I would stop posting. :-D

        • Guest

          Don’t leave. I at least would like to hear your views.

        • JohnEngelman

          I very much do want your opinion asian kid. I am the resident Asia lover here. As a matter of fact, I submitted this article. Don’t let the haters repel you from American Renaissance. This website frequently posts articles that document the racial superiority of Orientals.

          It is ironic that many of the same people who gloat about low IQs for blacks and Hispanics try to explain away the superior intellectual achievements of Orientals.

          Race realism is not race bigotry. A race realist appreciates the superiority of Orientals, and I do.

          The two best friends I had in high school were Chinese Americans. The first time I saw Oriental girls I was seven or eight years old. I was watching a documentary on television. I thought, “With white girls some are pretty, and some are not. With Oriental girls, all of them are pretty.”

          Please keep posting on the American Renaissance website, asian kid. This is a fascinating website. This is what the owner, Jared Taylor has to say about Orientals: “Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.”

          http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

          Professor J. Philippe Rushton, who spoke at six American Renaissance conferences, had many good things to say about your race in this essay.

          http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf

      • Johnnie Appleseed

        According to Charles Murray there are about 100 Million American Whites who also cannot conform to so called “American Values”

        Charles Murray, in his book “Coming Apart: The State of White America” speaks of a hundred million white americans undergoing a transformation in four great social trends over the past half-century–the decline of marriage, of the work ethic, of respect for the law and of religious observance-

      • JohnEngelman

        This is what race realism means: “Modern science shows a three-way pattern of race differences in both physical traits and behavior. On average, Orientals are slower to mature, less fertile, less sexually active, less aggressive, and have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole. Whites fall in the middle,
        but closer to Orientals than to Blacks.”

        - Professor J. Philippe Rushton
        http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf

        Professor Rushton spoke at six American Renaissance conferences.

        • potato78

          I totally agree.
          From geographic view, from west europe, east europe, to far east asia, there is a big continent containing scandinavian white, russian white, mongol white with all kinds of different facial features.

    • Steve

      The best would be if Asians just go home, i.e. back to Asian countires, from which you or your ancestors came. Diversity is the root cause of conflict. If Asians stay in Asian countries and Whites stay in white countries there would be no reason for a conflict or racial discrimination or any racial problem.

      • asian kid

        ok, then I’ll leave. and before I do, I want to let the moderators know that the comment section is rigged. the check mark under the discussion tab says “Newest” when in fact it’s actually showing “Best” comments first.

        Remember: All Americans were immigrants at one point in their family history.

        • SmithandSmith

          This ain’t true. White people were here long before America was America but when she did become America, “We” were already here.

          It is you who is the “immigrant” and since us poor ‘ole Americans are overcrowded and very very broke, please go home.

          Hey, you should get on wal-mart and what they do to your people. Now that’s a project worth pursuing. You wouldn’t believe what those greedy a-holes are doing to your fellow Asians in Asia.

          • Get Real

            If you are going to go with that logic, then you could say Asians were also in America before America became America. What is indisputable is that the natives in America either migrated from Asia or migrated from Asia and Europe.

          • nobody

            It’s not indisputable, there is no real evidence that Asian’s migrated across the land bridge connecting Russia and America, only speculation. It is simply a theory, nothing more.

          • Dr. Möbias

            American Anti-Whites are programmed to use the American Indian issue, to justify open borders in the USA.

            But I have never heard of an ‘American Indian’ who believes that open borders with Mexico etc.. will help the American Indians get them back their country.

            Have you?

            Only White Anti-Whites are this dumb.

            When did you first start hating whites?

          • SmithandSmith

            I’m not so sure about that. They’ve found white mummies in places I always thought was non-white so…

            Look, I could care less about some thousands of years ago. I care about my lifetime and right now, you non-whites have places to go and we whites do not. Where is our place? Where can we go to get away from non-whites?

        • http://www.amren.com/ Moderator

          That’s actually Disqus’s fault. They recently downgraded their system, i.e. they solved one bug and introduced five more with the newer and less improved version.

        • Beloved Comrade

          What country was it the founding father immigrated to?
          Before America was created by whites there was no country to immigrate to.

          You are SILLY.

        • JohnEngelman

          asian kid, don’t leave. I’ve got your back. :)

          If the haters give you a hard time, tell them you’re with me. :-D

      • Johnnie Appleseed

        I guess Steve needs to get on a boat and head over to Europe.
        North America was inhabited by American Indians.

        According to Steve’s thinking, it was because of Europeans coming to America that led to conflict with the American Indians.

        • SmithandSmith

          Not according to some research but if you’re talking about America, she was Founded by White Men.

          • Get Real

            And natives and blacks. So easy to forget. Oh and don’t forget the women.

          • nobody

            What exactly did the blacks do? They picked cotton, they didn’t exactly “build America” as the libs are so fond of saying. What were the indigenous tribes doing with this land? They were just fighting one another and living a primitive lifestyle. It’s not like they had a booming economy and infrastructure and we just marched in and took it over. We carved the greatest nation in the history of the world out of the wilderness. We didn’t steal their land, we took it over through military conquest, certainly not a “white” idea it’s been going on all over the world all throughout time. They had their chance to fight and defend their land, but they lost, and that is their own fault. It’s happened time and time again since the dawn of mankind.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Sorry genius. Every nation on earth was founded by conquest, genocide and dispossession of the aboriginal inhabitants. History is replete with examples such as this and it’s obvious from reading your comments on this board that a knowledge and understanding of history is not your strong suit.

          • alex

            You forgot to mention mules and horses.

          • SmithandSmith

            If women and non-whites are so daggone great, why did all the good stuff come from White Men then?

        • Beloved Comrade

          Nobody comes here to live in the land of teepees.

          The world comes here to take what the white man built.

        • Dr. Möbias

          Sorry, genius: The first Americans were stone-age Europeans, according to recent archeological evidence. It was big news this year.

          Didn’t you get the memo?

          White Europeans are perfectly justified to wish to remain dominant and in full control of our native homelands, in the exact same way as are Mexicans who have some of the strictest immigration laws of any nation outside of Israel.

    • SmithandSmith

      I myself want you out.

      I glanced at your post and as is always the case with you people, when you don’t get your way, you insult White People and this time it’s, we’re “afraid”. We’re not afraid of you; We’re waiting for the show to begin.

      Look, it’s not the responsibility of America or Europe to help you people. You have access to everything White People have created and y’all should be able to make a good go of it in your own Countries but you don’t. Now why is that?

      All White People want is a place to call their own. Some of us just don’t want to have to include certain others just because they or other whites want them to be. This isn’t about hate, this is about having the Right to be left alone. Good God. What’s the problem?

      • Get Real

        I don’t see how he insulted white people. He is merely pointing out that America is a nation built up by immigrants looking for a better life. What recent Asian immigrants are doing is nothing different that what your ancestors were doing when they fled Europe. You are using a double standard by insisting that Asians should go back to Asia because that is their “homeland.” By your logic, European-Americans should go back to their “homeland” in Europe.

        Also, you keep insisting that the U.S. was built only by whites but you are overlooking the fact that it was really built up by whites, blacks, natives and Asians.

        • nobody

          I would gladly “go back to Europe” if all the minorities there left. Unfortunately they too are being overrun by third world immigrants. Funny, it seems like white, and only white, countries have this problem. Why is that?

        • Beloved Comrade

          Wrong. Your notion is SILLY.

          America was built by whites for whites, not for the entire world, and it was not built by blacks, natives and/or Asians.

          Asians have plenty of land and living space that is all-Asian and should stay in their own countries. We whites are losing our homelands and are being systematically displaced everywhere we reside, Europe, Australia, America, Canada.

          You need to go back to your college and get your money back. Your Mommy Professor was a fraud and lied to you about history.

          • potato78

            Our indians have too many people and too crowded in India now.
            We have to come to USA for better life. If you can come, why not me?

          • JohnEngelman

            Huh? What about black slaves and Chinese who built the rail roads? What about Orientals who work for high tech companies?

          • SmithandSmith

            What about the white slaves and the white people who built the railroads? What about all the white people who used to work for high tech firms?

          • JohnEngelman

            My point is that people from various races have built this country. The idea that only whites belong here is preposterous. Try telling that to the American Indians. They are the only people who have the right to complain about race displacement and genocide.

          • Professor Farnsworth

            You are completely delusional.

            You don’t even have enough sanity to pretend you’re not supporting the genocide of whites. America was a 90% White country for 200 years. White people conceived of America, White people founded America, White people built America, White people expanded America, and yes, White defined America. The first naturalization act defined an American citizen as a free White man. Up until the mid-1960s we had an immigration policy that specifically favored European Whites.

            Now all that is gone, and this is what we have: a chaotic multiracial America with rampant crime, decaying infrastructure, and failing schools. America was never meant to be multicultural. This is what leftist maniacs like you have done to this country.

          • JohnEngelman

            Orientals are not responsible for “rampant crime, decaying infrastructure, and failing schools.” When I moved to downtown San Jose, California in 1978 it was blighted. Vietnamese immigrants, most of whom were desperately poor, rebuilt San Jose. Now it has the lowest crime rate of any large city in the United States.

            http://www.morganquitno.com/cit07pop.htm#25

        • SmithandSmith

          Calling us “afraid” was meant as an insult and you know it. Americans are not obligated to accept asians or their culture and we’re not obligated to blend ours with theirs neither. The fact that we don’t give in to you people does not make us “afraid”, it makes us American.

          Oh yeah, immigrants came here “looking for a better life” alright and that’s because they got/get easy welfare, easy government loans, easy jobs/promotions, easy housing and easy medical care and all without having to work or pay for any of it.

          Back when America was America, immigrants were only immigrants during their travel but once they stepped foot here, they were American. Ya know, those people who never got anything handed to them for any reason.

          What the asians do and what Europeans do is completely opposite. Europeans have never swarmed another Country to take it over like you asians are trying to do to every single White Country you can get your hands on. asians are snatching up everything that ain’t nailed down and they cheat like crazy on taxes and they cheat in school and they take over entire industries here in America and they turn entire communities asian and they have asian associations for everything you can name. asians don’t share, they steal and when they’re not stealing, they’re taking over by sheer force of their numbers. What about that little town council in Pennsylvania that was once White but is now asian? Is that sharing or is that taking over?

          I have no problem with white people going back to Europe but not when there are asians and other non-whites there. You people want to make it like white people have no right to have anything of their own and that’s why you hammer so hard on how we’re all just “immigrants”.

          Also, if white people go back to Europe, everything in America comes with us. America and everything in her was not built by you non-whites so you don’t get to have it. Our medicine, our science, our art, our technology, our defense and our money comes with us. You will be left with nothing but untamed woods and wild indians looking for heads to scalp.

          America was built by Whites and ONLY Whites and that’s why she used to be the best in the world but now she’s overrun by non-whites and why she is now dead. It’s really not hard to see the difference between then and now.

      • JohnEngelman

        The problem is people who think that those of us who admire Orientals and love China somehow hate whites and the United States.

        • potato78

          love China doesn’t mean hating whites.

          Loving China = Loving Whites.

        • SmithandSmith

          You do. Why else would you spend all your time talking up a completely different people and country from your own?

          You come to a website that is clearly, white oriented and you praise asians. You call that love? I call it deliberate. You come to a website where whites congregate and tell us all how asians are better than us. That’s deliberate.

    • Guest

      Don’t stop visiting this site because of the Asian-European tension which crops up often. There is a wealth of interesting information which is to be found here, and the comments section can be quite interesting, as well. You will find that a couple of posters are very much pro-asian. I am not particularly pro or anti-asian. Rather, I am strongly pro-European, and wish to preserve Europe and her legacy to hisory.

      On a personal level, no asian has ever threatened me or harmed me in any way. For that matter, neither has any jew, hindu or sikh. The only asians I have ever been really close to were filipino or vietnamese. I understand they are looked down upon by some other asians. This is not unusual, since human beings tend to categorise and stereotype. But they were good to me.

      The bigger issue is that our immigration policy has discriminated against Europeans for some 47 years now. A friend at my church married an English girl, and it took forever for (plus a lot of legal fees) to get her resident alien status. She is no threat to the republic, but it is a rigged game. No Europeans need apply.

      It is baffling why the asians (with exception of the fillipinos) voted overwhelmingly for the current president’s reelection. Any thoughts?

      What country do your parents come from?

      What country do your parents come from?

      • nobody

        I have to agree with some of this. I am not particularly anti-black or anti-hispanic I am just pro white. When I see pictures of starving African or Indian children my heart breaks right along with the rest of them, I am human after all. But I look at blacks sort of how you would look at a homeless man who’s been hanging out on the corner for ten years. You feel bad for him, and hope he improves his situation, but it’s not your place to help him. And deep down you know he has had plenty of time to get his life together, yet he just sits on the corner with his hand out day after day. Would you support this man financially just because you feel bad for him? Well there you go.

        • pcmustgo

          Large portions of such homeless bums happen to be Black too!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Beloved Comrade

        Come to the Pacific Northwest of America or Vancouver in Canada if you believe that no Asian has ever threatened you or any other whites. We whites are being systematically displaced by ethno-centric Chinese in these white homelands.

        Do you want Chinese to be your overlords? I don’t. Wait until they are the majority around you and see how pro-white they are.

    • Sean

      “From what I’ve encountered so far, people who make derogatory comments
      about Asians are people who are afraid to see change or interact with
      change. I’m sorry you don’t appreciate diversity, but the world would be
      a lot less interesting if we had no multicultural interactions.”

      Asians are not all the same. If you want to whine about “merits of diversity” go to msnbc.com.

      These multicultural interactions could be done via tourism or simply not at all because once again, diversity is not a strength. If you want multiculturalism and diversity take it somewhere else.

      Afraid is the wrong word. It seems you confused afraid with angry, a lot of liberals tend to do that. We are angry because our countries are not experiments to see if forcing a multitude of diverse (notice how I use the D word?) cultures and peoples living together works when it obviously doesn’t.

      • GM (Australia)

        Very true. I always put out a challenge to any multicult/diversity advocate to tell me about any truly successful multicultural nation anywhere on this planet. There is not one.

        I browsed through a book yesterday, written by a Melbourne (Australia) university professor who was telling us that multiculturalism is both necessary for Australia and will work here. The whole book seemed to be just an apology for all the problems multiculturalism has caused here.

    • Beloved Comrade

      Why don’t you take your act on the road and go to China or Japan and tell them they need diversity?

      We are losing all of our homelands, what we created for ourselves and our posterity. This is happening in white countries and only white countries, not in Asian countries.

      But you wouldn’t understand because this isn’t happening to your people or your homelands, only ours.

      Diversity/Multiculturalism = White Genocide.

      • potato78

        A lot of west europeans, russians, and white americans are moving to China these days. Teaching English, setup business firms in China. They are making a lot of money there.

    • pcmustgo

      “I just read through yours comments and I’m confused:
      Do you want us to conform to white values and traditions? Or be true to who we are: “Asian”?”

      CONFORM TO WHITE AND/OR AMERICAN VALUES AND TRADITIONS. Particularly learn to warm up, be kinder, and drop the Dragon-Lady/Frost-Queen act. I know you can do it. I’ve seen some Asians do it already…

  • LHathaway

    So. . . if Asians or Jews can’t live up their full potential’s by being offered limited enrollment at universities where they are already overwhelmingly over represented – this is a great shame and evil; but if whites are offered lowered opportunities.in admissions and at public and private job sites – this is a great evil too. This time because there are whites who object to this and because more isn’t being done to right ‘injustice’.

  • MAJ

    The top-rated colleges are mostly private so they can choose who they want.

    In general, I find the difference in test scores and grades among Whites / asians to be of little statistical significance. All things generally the same, I’d certainly prefer a White over an asian because Whites are more creative thinkers.

    But, in fairness, universities should (I say “should”) choose the best qualified students. And among highly qualified applicants (I emphasize ‘highly qualified’) it’s no crime to make a subjective admissions decision. Civilization – and society – as whole will not advance otherwise.

    The issue is not White / Asian. Although I think the author is a complete moron. She says about her kind, “They are too smart and hard-working for their own good.” I think, actually, it is good to be smart and hard-working. What does she want? Asians walking around with their pants around their knees, listening to gangsta rap, smoking a blunt, and saying, “Yo’ looks at me. I ain’t no ash-in, gnomesayin?”

    This poor woman has been brainwashed by the liberal left and she doesn’t even know it. Only in 2012 America do you have to apologize for being academically successful and beg to have your spot at a college be given away to a bantu with an ACT score of 12.

    She gives away her brainwashing with this statement. “We want to fill our top universities with students of exceptional and wide-ranging talent, not just stellar test takers.” That diversospeak for “blacks.”
    Whenever anyone says something like “not just test takers” that means the promotion of those who can’t pass a test or score above a ceretain level. Tests are there for a reason. And to let Ms. Chen in on a little secret, “exceptional and wide-ranging talent” does not include Shaniqua and LaShawn – and that’s what this means.

    By the way, she also says, “Some white parents have reportedly shied away from selective public schools that have become “too Asian,” fearing that their children will be outmatched” Did she ever stop to think that just maybe the White parents wanted their kids to be among other Whites, test scores be damned.

  • SmithandSmith

    Since the asians are so much smarter than white folk, perhaps they can explain why they and their “white” lovers insist on being around White people.

    • Get Real

      Only after you can explain why some of your “black” lovers insist on being around black people. Not everyone of the same race will think or act in the same way.

      • SmithandSmith

        There are only two types of people in the world and they are either White or non-white. You are a non-”white”.

        White People are on the verge of becoming extinct but that’s not what concerns you. You’re only concerned with trying to get White People to turn on their fellow White People for you people. Just because you find it well for White People to cease to exist as long as it’s done by asians does not mean White People find it well.

        You don’t get to have it both ways. You are either on the side of Whites or you are not. Miscegenation is miscegenation. Got it?

        • Anand

          Within the white category, at least one-third are not really white. They are mixed with moors in large swathes of Spain/Italy, mixed with Sami in Finland, mixed with natives in parts of the US even if appearing predominantly caucasian, mixed with caucus people in parts of Russia, increasingly mixed with jews, a big mess in Brazil, almost Pakistani looking people in Greece etc…

          You can’t define who is white until you define what genes are white, and have every white undergo a detailed genetic test.

          • convairXF92

            True about Greeks. I’m somewhat involved with the Greek community in my city, and there are a few (not many) in this community who are dark enough that if it weren’t known that they were Greek, would be clearly classified as nonwhite. I was at the funeral of one of them. The family used a Greek funeral home, and apparently the morticians had only Caucasian shades of makeup. He looked like a ghost with the pale makeup mismatched to his brown skin.

            In Byzantine Empire days, various Asiatic barbarian hordes traveled through Greece and in some cases settled there permanently. The Patzinaks (Pechenegs) were so tough that the ultra-tough Magyar horsemen were afraid of them and rode into Pannonia (Hungary) for protection. After the Hungarians escaped, Patzinaks made their way into Greece, where they decided to become Greek.

          • SmithandSmith

            My Skin is White and my Eyes are Blue and I’m willing to undergo a test to prove it too.

            White People are White. We are American, German, English, Swedish and Finnish. We’re French and Dutch and Belgian too. White People are still here and no amount of your untruths is gonna change that.

            You people need to stop trying to tell us what we are and what we’re not and go fix your own backward countries instead.

    • Anand

      Because millions of white men want Asian wives and want to adopt Asian babies. You have to get rid of half your population that thinks opposite to you.

      • SmithandSmith

        You didn’t answer the question. It never changes with you “whites” and non-whites does it? You’re only about destroying what you cannot achieve for yourself and all for nothing but your own petty little jealousies.

        By the way, if half the white population really wanted asian wives and asian kids, they’d have them. You’re just mad that the vast majority of White People have never been fooled by you non-whites/”whites” and now you’re panicking ’cause the Whites you did have temporarily fooled are now awake and you’re losing numbers.

        • Anand

          Panic? lol. Too much love and technological convenience these days to warrant any panic.

          I work in the gaming sector (board games, video games, role playing games, chess etc…), and the lovefest between whites and Asians I see on a daily basis is nauseating. The lovefest between whites and Asian restaurant owners and workers is also nauseating. Ostracized white geeks and nerds are also really into Asians and Asian culture. Ever been to an SGI Buddhist center? More interracial love geared towards Asians. And I can only imagine the lovefest in Thailand between local hotties and old white men. I won’t even mention the race of the pedos there in case that warrants a ban.

          I think you are the one who is panicked at this excessive love for Asians…..and I agree, if it gets out of hand, your race will become too diluted to ever forge any kind of alliance. So you do need to be in panic mode. Its a bigger threat for you than Muslims or Blacks or Hispanics for sure (and possibly even greater than the declining population of purebred Jews), since you do not see the excessive lovefest from whites for those four groups. Asians are a different animal.

          • Anand

            FYI — I am east Indian, and admire most things Asian. Dislike their treatment of animals, but overall, prefer their behavior to any other race’s behavior, including my own.

          • convairXF92

            Yes. Look up “otaku” on google, and see who’s in the audience at your local anime showings.

          • pcmustgo

            “I work in the gaming sector (board games, video games, role playing games, chess etc…), ”

            GAMING IS FOR GEEKY LOSERS… duh, of course those beta males are all over asian women and japanese porn and anime…

          • SmithandSmith

            You are panicked. Why else would you people keep repeating, now more than ever, the old and tired ‘asians are intelligent’ mantra?

            As for White People loving asians, sure, there’s a few but they’re not my friends and we won’t be helping each other or living by each other so I don’t care. I used to care but time is short so now I only care about white people who side with white people.

            And no, I’ve never visited any non-white church or any other non-white thing. I’m happy and content with my white culture and simply have no need to go looking for something else unlike those poor brainwashed whites of yours.

            “excessive love”? Now that just sounds desperate. Look, I don’t like to see anyone do it but others are right, it’s not enough to make a dent.

  • KenelmDigby

    I wish that a group of Chinese professors and philantrophists would found their own Ivy-league type universities – with academic reputations at least matching, if not exceeding – the Ivy-league, in neutral Asian territory somewhere, perhaps Hong Kong or Macao.
    Chinese billionaires certainly have the money for such a project.
    In this way they will be immune from accusations of ‘monopolizing’ university slots, and possible retaliatory action. Secondly they could use these institutions to demonstrate the intellectual prowess and academic leadership.

    • Bernie

      Think they’ll give affirmative action slots and scholarships to whites to increase “diversity” in these would-be Asian Ivies?

  • bigone4u

    In my experience in higher ed, the Vietnamese students were different from the Koreans, who were different from the Japanese and the Chinese. I do not claim as generalizations the following, but simply offer up my own experiences, limited to a few cases of each group.
    Filipino: liars, very charming, not very bright, very fashion and fad oriented. I suspect these were the sons and daughers of US military men who married filipino women, so they were half Hispanic, half filipino. Being raised in a US military family, spoke perfect English
    Korean: obsequious, had trouble speaking English clearly, gravitated to fields where the professors teach the test, very money and fashion oriented, very critical of others. Earned high GPAs.
    Japanese: obsequious, pleasant, not very bright, although that may have been related to poor command of English, love American TV and movies. Solid C plus to B students.
    Vietnamese: dumb and inarticulate in English. Poor students. Seemed to be into the single parent thing.
    Chinese students and professors: often poor command of English. The professors succeed by memorizing a technique of some kind and then applying it, which does not require creativity or originality. The students were exchange students sent over by the Communist government.
    These groups do not mix with each other. They have separate campus organizations, i.e., the Vietnamese Students Association. At one function on campus, the Vietnamese abbreviated their name to Vietnamese Studs Assoc, which drew quite a bit of mockery from the white girls. Vietnamese studs, yeah right! All 100 pounds of manly studliness.

    • JohnEngelman

      “Chinese students and professors: often poor command of English.”

      - bigone4u

      How much Mandarin do you know? If you have children try to get them to learn. It will help them talk to their immediate supervisors.

      • Sean

        You are a tedious person. You love Asians a great deal. You may be an Asian. I get it, but your schtick is tiresome

        I will speak out against injustices done to my people as long as I am alive. I am already attacked for my views. I have a hard life ahead of me because my race must survive and I know that I need to speak for that as often and as loudly as possible.

        You can move to an Asian country of your choice right now and never have to see icky white people again.

        Man, am I jealous of you. You can even buy plane tickets online! How’s that for convenience.

        • JohnEngelman

          If you have a hard life ahead of you that is because being a white man is not enough anymore. Now you must perform. What matters is not race or sex, but well educated high grade intelligence.

          • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

            So you’re saying that being a White man was enough in the past to just get anything you wanted? You think our fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers just waltzed in to a bank and got their “being a White man” money so they could go buy their mansion? Many of our forefathers worked and died under dire conditions in coal mines and doing construction, worked 16 hours a day working on their farms that barely made them any money, fought and died in wars, and countless other unsung professions and roles that helped build this society.

            Your anti-White drivel is really beginning to irritate me as much as people like Tim Wise.

            If you don’t like White men and think we were just given everything, then leave, you clown!

          • JohnEngelman

            Being a white man did not guarantee one wealth in the past, but it did guarantee one a minimal social status that no longer exists.

          • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

            Yeah, John, in a White majority country, being White WAS one of those things that did affect social status. Just like being black in a black majority country, city, town, neighborhood gives you a certain social status NOW. Just like being Asian in an Asian majority country, city, town or neighborhood gives you a certain social status NOW. Just like being a homosexual gives you a certain status in a gay bar NOW. But even you admit that NOW, being White in a White majority country does not afford one the benefits that every other race, culture and grouping of people believe they are entitled to.

            If you are White, you are supposed to move out of the way and make room for a non-White just because of some perverted definition of equality. If you are anything other than White(Asians included) it’s supposed to be an indication of your talents and work ethic when you do achieve the levels of “social status” that Whites have; it’s supposed to be an equally obvious indication of some mythical White privilege taking place when you don’t and can’t achieve at the same levels. Asians don’t benefit nearly as much from the anti-White rhetoric, simply because they are smarter than the black and brown hordes and don’t need special tests and mandates to compete. But they do reap the rewards of not having to deal with idiots who accuse their success of being because of Asian Privilege. If they succeed, well, it’s because they’re really smart. When White people succeed, it’s because they benefited from some past or present privilege.

            Where’s the ground breaking revelation, John? You implied that White people have a hard life now because they can’t ride some mythical gravy train that most of them/us were never given. Were you misquoted? You might as well change your name to Tim Wise.

          • pcmustgo

            Yeah, Engelmans’ into some serious liberal lingo when he says “Being White isn’t Good Enough Anymore” (you cruising by on your white privilege white people… take your punishment)… Engelman, you’re really rather Hard Left in that kind of thinking and attitude.

          • JohnEngelman

            If I am “hard left” why do I agree with Charles Murray, J. Philippe Rushton, Arthur Jensen, and Jared Taylor?

          • Bernie

            C’mon man. That is is in no way true. Whites must score 200-300 points higher on the SATs to get into the same schools as blacks.

          • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

            No, White people will not get into the same schools if the racial quotas are not met, no matter their grades.

          • JohnEngelman

            Asian students have higher average SAT scores than any other group, including whites. A study by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade examined applicants to top colleges from 1997, when the maximum SAT score was 1600 (today it’s 2400). Espenshade found that Asian-Americans needed a 1550 SAT to have an equal chance of getting into an elite college as white students with a 1410 or black students with an 1100.
            http://www.amren.com/news/2011/12/some_asians_col/

          • Beloved Comrade

            Not true, Engleman and you know it. Racial preferences trump white achievement, grades and performance. Now the Asians want to get in on it too.

          • JohnEngelman

            Affirmative action programs work against Orientals, as the column we are commenting on explains.

          • Gracchus123

            “Now you must perform.”

            Whites have ALWAYS performed. What are you talking about?? Your implication is that Whites have gotten by on “White privilege”? Nonsense!

          • pcmustgo

            Race still matters quite a bit.

        • Achaean

          The name “Engelman” obviously tells us his race, and it is not that he loves Asians but that he wants to push the interests of his group, which requires fighting against a strong sense of white ethnocentrism, and repeating over and over again that Asians are smarter. At the same time he agrees with whites re blacks, and thus plays up our side, but he is strongly against whites, and for his own race.

      • Johnnie Appleseed

        Better start hitting the language books. Your “immediate supervisors” may decide to keep you around a little while longer if you learn Brazilian, Russian, Indian and Chinese.

        BRICs Give US Cities a Millionaire-Inferiority Complex

        Published: Friday, 7 Dec 2012 | 10:17 AM ET

        By: Robert Frank

        America is developing a millionaire-inferiority complex.

        • alex

          They speak Portuguese in Brasil and (mostly) Hindi in India.

      • GM (Australia)

        A recent Australian prime Minister could in fact speak Mandarin, he learnt it as part of his duties as a career diplomat. Needless to say this went down very well on his many visits to China as PM. But the real point of all of this is that we should NOT be forced to learn any Asian language but I do agree that our kids should be encouraged to learn at least one other language at school. Our English language must be respected and protected, always. It is the most important language the world has ever had.

    • pcmustgo

      Filipinos also not fully asian, more like Hawaiians, polynesians, LOVE BLACK CULTURE, DATING BLACK MEN, GHETTO WANNABEES….

  • Rottweiler

    This is why Taylor needs to cut the BS about his asian japs being so great and wonderful when besides being a lie there are plenty of problems they no any asians had to endure over the past 500 years since the mistake of African slavery that has in essense dumbed down

    white civilization to say the least.

    Had asians been self inflicted with the bombardment of 100 million Africans so needlessly since the west was opened, they would be light years behind whites like they were before the Great Mistake. of Slavery

    When will Ken Burns and Stephen Spielberg get off revising history every chance they get with a new take on a dead subjects like Lincunt pronounced as Lincoln and ask the question why did America and the west even need slaves to be bought off tribal chiefs anyway to be shipped here unless it was a big scam, and it was?

    • JohnEngelman

      Actually it is people like you who ought to shut up. Jared Taylor and those he has invited to speak at American Renaissance Conferences have experienced a lot of persecution for telling the truth about racial differences.

  • falsedawn

    After reading this nonsense (I should get some sort of prize for actually reading the whole thing), I believe there are are two possibilities here. Ms Chen was under the influence of too much opium or not enough opium when she wrote such utter stupid trash.

    • JohnEngelman

      I guess the truth hurts. :-D

      • somebody

        Go eat a dog fish head.

    • potato78

      Ms Chen was under the influence of too much liberal ideology. She sound like left wing whites so familiar tone or blacks need the affirmative action to protect. However, she stated a fact. She should not only pointed out only lower IQ whites, but also lower IQ blacks, and hispanics, too.

  • Bernie

    The author is an Asian race activist. She is simply playing power politics. She knows Asians are being passed over for unqualified blacks and Hispanics (just like whites are). She also knows it is blacks, Hispanics and the white elite who support and push these quotas. Will Asians succeed in fighting these groups? No.
    But there is a rather large group of people who don’t have any groups reprensenting them, are passive and are hated by the same elites who are discriminating against Asians. Can Asians take some of the places of these people? Yes.
    Chen is simply saying to these elites, “Hey, don’t discriminate against us. Just give those blacks their quotas out of the white pool.”
    Short term this is very smart and will likely work as nobody is going to stand up for white kids. But long term it will not. As soon as there are not enough whites to discriminate against the blacks will start demanding the Asian slots again.
    Smart white kids should start looking overseas for college.

    • potato78

      I would like to encourage White Americans should go to Far East Asia for college education. Experiencing different cultures.

  • Terry

    Actually Asian’s are not as smart as you might think they are. Remember, it was the white race that established their culture and civilization. Their own oral records state so. Now most Archaeologists believe that the Chinese civilization and culture isn’t thousands of years old. They believe that it actually started about 750 BC. All the inventions that we are told that they came up with were actually given to them by white people. The Chinese didn’t even know what gun powder, that they found, was until a monk from England showed them. We think that Martial Arts came from India and China, when actually it came from the white race. You can go to Florida and take Celtic Martial Arts. It was started by the white race and given to the Chinese or stolen by the Chinese. Noah and his second son actually established the Chinese culture Over a hundred mummified remains of white peoples have been found from northern to central China. They all predate the Chinese culture and civilization, and their empires. Even the Japanese Samari came from the white race. The whites were the first in China and Japan. There are are descendants that came from the white race that first established themselves in Japan even to this day.

  • Mariner33

    Miss Chen can never be completely intellectually honest and write as an individual. She works for a Progressive/Socialist/Marxist/Liberal/Democrat entity that is more doctrinaire and rigid than a madrassah. In the little cubicle and confined ideological space of low ceilings, Miss Chen eats her integrity with the mush mealy mouth sop of “equal playing fields”, and “affirmative” action for “minorities”. Two items: “affirmative” action is reverse discrimination, racist, and a failure, and it functions as a make work program for lawyers, public employees, whole departments in private and academic institutions, and is analogous to barnacles and bottom growth on the ship of state

  • Achaean

    John Engleman repeats, as usual, that Asian IQ and Jewish IQ explain their predominance in elite universities. But now we know that whites are the most discriminated group in elite universities in light of Ron Unz’s article in American Conservative, “The myth of American meritocracy: How corrupt are Ivy League admisw sions?” This forty page article shows that Jews are maintaining their over-representation in elite universities at a level that is far above levels warranted by their academic performance.

    Unz, who is Jewish, estimates that Jews should be around 6% of top students, far lower than the 25% found at elite universities, terming this gap “totally absurd and ridiculous.” “Over the last decade or two, meritocracy and Jewish numbers have become opposing forces: the stricter the meritocratic standard, the fewer the Jews admitted.” Unz notes that, “assuming an admissions system based on strictest objective meritocracy, we would expect our elite academic institutions to contain nearly five Asians for every Jew; but instead, the Jews are far more numerous, in some important cases by almost a factor of two. This raises obvious suspicions about the fairness of the Ivy League admissions process.”

    The numbers for Jewish over-representation compared to Whites are even more striking. “Based on the overall distribution of America’s population, it appears that approximately 65–70 percent of America’s highest ability students are non-Jewish whites, well over ten times the Jewish total of under 6 percent.”

    Whites are highly discriminated against: “Based on reported statistics, Jews approximately match or even outnumber non-Jewish whites at Harvard and most of the other Ivy League schools, which seems wildly disproportionate. Indeed, the official statistics indicate that non-Jewish whites at Harvard are America’s most under-represented population group, enrolled at a much lower fraction of their national population [18%] than blacks or Hispanics, despite having far higher academic test scores.”

    • pcmustgo

      Is this perhaps due to REGIONALISM? I know there is also affirmative action for kids who come from the midwest, far flung states, the South, rural areas, etc, which often benefits whites. And yet still, I would be the vast bulk of kids at Harvard are from the NYC, LA, San Francisco areas… Which are all heavily Jewish.

  • potato78

    Asians: Too Smart for Their Own Good?
    What is a big deal? To Asians or to White Americans.

    White Americans at least at here hate Asians or jealous to Asians, just like Black Americans in USA hate White Americans or jealous to White Americans.

    Don’t understand why?

    White Americans can tolerate 15% Blacks and 15% Hispanics in US for average down americans, but don’t tolerate 5.6% Asians in US. how weird is that? Hot topic, 177 comments already.

    I guess that 5.6% Asians got to be super smart. White Americans on this website can not tolerate or be so jealous about them. Down to the earth, white americans are just average human, nothing else.

    • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

      You might be mistaking jealousy for a type of territorial imperative. White Americans have been forced to endure some kind of self-immolation that only White people are supposed to subscribe to. The guilt-ridden apathy of Whites has to end at some point. Asians just happen to be slowly attaching themselves to the tail end of this epidemic.

  • HadEnough

    “We still need affirmative action for underrepresented groups, including blacks, Latinos, American Indians and Southeast Asian Americans and low-income students of all backgrounds. But for white and Asian middle- and upper-income kids, the playing field should be equal.”

    The crux of the matter is not whether Asians are smarter than whites. The crux is the statement copied in above. With no awareness of the absurdity of her logic, Chen is saying, “It’s fine for whites to be bumped out by low-IQ blacks, Hispanics, etc. but not OK for Asians to be bumped out by allegedly lower IQ whites.” I suspect this nitwit Chen actually believes this. I call this reasoning “carve-out liberalism.” In other words, liberal totalitarianism for everyone — except my group. The Ted Kennedy set are past masters at this: ever greater demands for integration, all made from the safety of their gated compounds. (It’s very, very similar to pious but rich Catholics buying annulments from the Vatican while fulminating against secular divorce.)

    But of course you simply cannot run a peaceful society along these lines. The cognitive dissonance and the stench of hypocricy are too great. In these situations, war follows. I don’t think I’ll live to see it but I suspect my teen-aged children will. When society runs on neither reason, nor logic nor impartial law, what other way can they be but armed conflict?

    • potato78

      allegedly lower IQ whites are still higher than lower IQ blacks.
      Why do we need to have the affirmative action?

  • potato78

    I suddenly realized that why Apple’s Steve Jobs, father of Mac, iPhone, wants to make iPhone in Far East Asia.
    LOL, Asia like a woman name.

  • Anand
  • potato78

    Pale skin has had an exciting evolution. Greek and Roman women used to do anything possible to whiten their face skin; the whiter their face skin was, the more beautiful they were considered. Sun tanning was out of the question. By using lead paints and chalks women put themselves in great danger because that ancient beauty treatment could cause death by slow poisoning. It was only too late when this was discovered.

    IF your skin is not white enough, you are butt ugly.. and you are not white.

    http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/3424/health/white_asian_skin_against_tanning.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

    It’s kind of depressing to repeat trivial stuff again & again.

    1. Asians- any kind- did not in past 3,000 years outperform Whites re creativity & all that stuff- let alone during past 500 years. Contemporary global world is White European creation in almost all aspects, from science to legal systems, from arts to technology. Asian “superiority” is a myth. It’s something that never happened.

    2. as far as US universities & colleges go, Asians who try to study in the US:

    a) are picked from an enormously bigger population reservoir (1.3 billion Han Chinese, 1.2 billion Indian peoples, ca. 300 million Koreans plus Japanese plus Vietnamese ..). Simply, if you have highly motivated people with roughly the same IQ as Whites & no real opportunity for success in other fields, from sport to the military and entertainment industry and regular jobs that keep any country running (plumbers, carpenters, cowboys, farmers, ..)- they will focus on study because they just can’t compete in other disciplines- unlike Whites

    b) they study harder in the liberals-created atmosphere of kowtowing to Asian “accomplishment” & White European bashing. Sure, they are “naturally” studious. But- studious Whites are systematically dissuaded from pursuing higher education “thanks” to ideological tyranny orchestrated by crackpot gang of four- feminists, fruitcakes, coloreds & libtards.

    c) and yes, they cheat: http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2012/01/04/elite-asian-students-cheating-like-mad-on-u-s-college-applications/

    http://www.educationnews.org/international-uk/asian-students-pressured-to-cheat-on-us-college-applications/

    No mystery here….

    • Anand

      Funny that on Wal Street and in Washington, vast majority of cheaters are Jews and whites. Vast majority of burglaries are done by blacks/whites. Close to zero by Asian. If what you suggest is true, I prefer an exam cheater to a burglar or Wal Street cheater. Exam cheater won’t be able to cheat in all exams, and at some point will arouse suspicion.

      I am somewhat pro-white, but wish there was more honesty in these discussions, at least in the racist posts that get voted up so much

      At this point, you can really not say that white behavior is better than Asian behavior. I see drunk urinating in public places whites more often than any other race in the US. Asians seems to be the best behaved overall and most honest overall when you consider all types of crimes and not just random test cheating.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        There are more and more Indian (dot, not feather) Wall Street scammers being caught, prosecuted and sent to the Federal can.

        • Anand

          Great! I am happy and not bounded by racial loyalty towards criminals of my own race. Love both dots and feathers. As well as cowboy hats.

      • pcmustgo

        They’re’ too busy creating and selling fake , bootleg knock-off designer purses and dvds in Chinatown to comitt crimes on Wall St. Although some East Indian traders have been busted not too long ago.

        • Anand

          The fact that two people here pointed out East Indian Wall Street traders being busted recently (probably because of my name, since my post here had nothing about East Indians in it) indirectly supports the author’s argument — if you are Asian (East Indian here), you are discriminated against more than if you are white for the same things. Black’s are on top of course and get away with the most crimes plus get the most government benefits, even if they claim they are at the bottom. Asians and East Indians are without a doubt at the bottom of the food chain in the US.

          For every 100 white Wall Street scammers, there is 1 East Indian one. Yet, the East Indian ones have been in the news so much, and one of my Southern Italian origin non-white looking racist workmates once even told me that “you guys commit too much financial crime”. Lol. Right from the wanna be Anglo Saxon Mafia man’s mouth.

          East Indian and Chinese per capita murder rates in the US are also a tiny fraction of white murder rates, but I bet when they occur, they get 10 times more coverage than typical.

          Glad an Asian woman finally write such a great article.

          • alex

            There are not enough East Indians and Chinese in the USA to create violent underclass. Not yet…
            What’s the murder rate in India and China?
            From Wikipedia:
            Murder rate in the USA-4.2. Blacks, 12% of the populaton, commit 51% of all murders. I performed calculations using FBI data. White murder rate is about 2.0. Don’t forget that they count Hispanic offenders as Whites. It means that White murder rate is less than 2.0.
            Mureder rate in India-3.4. Murder rate in China-1.0.
            I wouldn’t trust any crime data coming from China. Taiwan population is made up of Hun Chinese. Its murder rate-3.2.
            Who is more likely to commit murder now?

          • Anand

            Interesting point about the underclass Alex. I would not trust any stats coming out of China or India FYI. Way too many poor people in both countries and most likely poor census infrastructure. The Taiwan number looks surprisingly high based on my experiences with Taiwanese (and all Asians for that matter). Google search led me to the US number being 5.0 instead of 4.2. Japan was only 0.5!

            I suspect there would be no significant poor Indian or Chinese class in the US even if there were many more people of each race. Both groups are too family and self-improvement/work oriented. In their home nations, based on the massive populations and limited resources, there is no way out for a majority of the poor. The great lakes by themselves have more freshwater than that available to the 2.5 billion Chinese and Indians!

          • IstvanIN

            I work with Asian-Indians and they seem to lament the fact that there is so much fraud in India.

    • JohnEngelman

      I also get depressed pointing out the same facts.

      According to Richard Lynn, who has spoken at American Renaissance conferences, the countries with the highest average IQs are Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and Singapore.

      http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

      This is what Professor J. Philippe Rushton, who spoke at six American Renaissance conferences has to say about Oriental superiority: “IQ tests measure intelligence and predict real life success. The races differ in brain size and on IQ tests. On average Orientals have the largest brains and highest IQs. Blacks average the lowest, and Whites fall in between.

      http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf

      According to the the OECD/PISA study South Korean and Japanese students outperform all other countries in mathematics and scientific literacy.

      http://siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm

      Since the school year of 1986 – 87 Asians, many of whom speek English as a second language, are closing the gap with whites on SAT scores. They are increasing the gap on SAT mathematics scores.

      http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

  • anarchyst

    Societal differences between the races can be summed up as follows:
    Blacks thrive in a dictatorial “strongman” type of society where those closer to the “chief” have higher status. Orientals thrive in a fatalistic type of society where abuse by those in control is tolerated, officials are to be obeyed without question because of their status and ancestor worship is prized. In both cases above, individual initiative is frowned upon. Group consensus is the norm. Any deviation from “groupthink” is verboten.
    It is “dead white males” that came up with the Magna Carta, the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the United States that asserted the sovereignty of the INDIVIDUAL and put strict limits on government powers. It is the white race that has elevated mankind to heights unattainable by any other race.
    However, it is the white race’s sense of “fair play” and unconditional “altruism” directed at other races that is our own undoing. Our reduction to “minority” status will result in our concepts being abandoned. It is important to keep our ideals alive, regardless of our diminution. Whites must prevail.

  • potato78

    Americans don’t realize that Far East Area would be the next power, because this is where sun is rising from?

    English Empire, Germanic Empire, Russia Empire, Japan Empire, America Empire,

    who is next?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHWtkPne6EQ

  • anarchyst

    Societal differences between the races can be summed up as follows:
    Blacks thrive in a dictatorial “strongman” type of society where those closer to the “chief” have higher status. Orientals thrive in a fatalistic type of society where abuse by those in control is tolerated, officials are to be obeyed without question because of their status and ancestor worship is prized. In both cases above, individual initiative is frowned upon. Group consensus is the norm. Any deviation from “groupthink” is verboten.
    It is “dead white males” that came up with the Magna Carta, the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the United States that asserted the sovereignty of the INDIVIDUAL and put strict limits on government powers. It is the white race that has elevated mankind to heights unattainable by any other race.
    However, it is the white race’s sense of “fair play” and unconditional “altruism” directed at other races that is our own undoing. Our reduction to “minority” status will result in our concepts being abandoned. It is important to keep our ideals alive, regardless of our diminution. Whites must prevail.

  • jay11

    “Asian-Americans constitute 5.6 percent of the nation’s population but 12 to 18 percent of the student body at Ivy League schools.”

    ## Sounds to me like they are represented in a disproportionate way! If you follow the logic of those who sue when not ‘enough’ blacks and latinos are in a place ‘proportionate’ to their share of the population, then there SHOULD be a quota to keep Asians in colleges in line with their percentage of the population.

    Ah, but you see the problem… ‘Affirmative’ action for blacks and latinos comes at the expense of white participation, and…Asians who are already overrepresented in many places want even more, at the expense of…wait for it… – whites! So who is getting the short shaft at both ends?

    This writers argument can be summed up in these few words: “You are not letting us conquer you fast enough! Please step aside so we can take over in a more timely manner.”

  • potato78

    Not all whites are that smart except that Englo-whites in recent history. Without English, I don’t think that US today is just being #1 in the world. All other whites just want to join in the englo-white boat. Englo-white is brand white. All other white is generic white.

    • Anand

      Yes I have noticed that the vast majority of useful inventions are by Anglo Saxon whites with English first and last names, followed distantly by people with German names. Same with looks. Best lookers are from Northern Europe. I do not consider Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Romania, Hungary, even Russia etc… white for the most part.

      Despite being East Indian (colonized by the Anglos), I hope for more Anglos (hopefully the Duggars are mostly Anglo Saxon). If I had enough money, I would pay Anglos to copulate and breed like crazy. Not all Anglos though…Limbaughs and the like are not worth breeding.

      Unfortunately, most of the racially aware in my old office were non-Anglo Saxon whites.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        Not all Anglos though…Limbaughs and the like are not worth breeding.

        “Limbaugh” = Limbach, Anglicized.

        To wit:

        https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Limbach,+Germany

        That’s where his patrilineal line hailed from.

        White Missourians who are from river cities and towns and areas and are not either in far western Missouri or the Delta of Southeast Missouri are mostly German in ancestry. Cape Girardeau being an example of such a town.

        • Anand

          Thanks QD! I love to learn such things.

    • alex

      Aren’t you and your but buddy Anand tired from trolling? No one is biting.

    • alex

      Aren’t you and Anand tired from trolling? No one is biting.

      • Anand

        Alex, how on earth did you change your comment, remove the typo/profanity, plus my response? I need your higher IQ to figure that one out I guess huh?

        • alex

          You are flattering me. Moderator did it.

  • Achaean

    Look at any list on the greatest scientists, mathematicians, poets, philosophers, architects, inventors, literature writers, geologists, explorers, everything high and noble, and you will find that over 95% of the names are white Europeans. Almost all the great explorers in history were
    European, http://fortnightlyreview.co.uk/2012/06/explore-duchesne/

    • 6ix Pack

      I expect Engleman to point out in rebuttal the Asian scientists who have invented a way to extract protein from human feces…right up there with Newton, huh?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkavA_dJAdk

  • potato78

    http://gawker.com/gangnam-style/

    If you were counting down to “Gangnam Style”‘s one billionth YouTube view on the site BillionCount.com, you might have been a little confused at what happened when the counter hit 1,000,000,000: it turned into a porn site: the “Xpress Cougar Dating Club.” “When it was getting closer to 1 billion views I figured I had to dosomething with it,” the site’s creator told us.

  • potato78
  • potato78