This Great, Liberal Society Is Silent on Decisive Social Issues of Our Time

Kevin Myers, Irish Independent, November 20, 2012

Nothing exposes the existence of a subconscious political agenda quite like the use of statistics. Take the recently released figures and analyses from the Central Statistics Office, 2010-11. They revealed, amongst others things, that the birth rate amongst Irish women is now catastrophically below replacement level: our overall birth rate is 2.06, which is just below the generally accepted replacement figure of 2.1, and down 36pc in 30 years. But only 77pc of our births were to Irish mothers, so proportionately, the indigenous Irish population is plummeting. However, even to say this is probably “racist” according to the norms of our splendid media studies courses; and so, what would once have been a most salient headline revelation was at best last week a footnote, if even that.

Ireland is now imitating the deathbed demographics of the rest of Europe, which will ensure that the native populations will require the labour and services of immigrants from the developing world to run their trams and, when the time comes, to wipe their bums. What then of the feminist agenda which has supervised the calamitous fall in native fertility, when the robust and reproductive populations within Europe are drawn from other societies, with other religions and perhaps even anti-feminist priorities?

No doubt, the Euro-elites will continue to ignore this irresistible existential tide, because it simply doesn’t suit the underlying egalitarian agenda which sees women’s employment rights as the pre-eminent ideological goal of our time. And, of course, it is a common human strategy, evident from the nursery onwards, when faced with uncomfortable truths to shut the eyes, put two fingers in the ears and to bellow on the top of one’s voice.

We have already seen a microcosm of this policy of denial in our own medical profession. It is illegal to ask would-be medical students what they intend to do when they have babies, even though the State pays the fees of these students. The figures are almost comical. The majority of medical students are female, and experience and surveys both suggest that most women doctors will have abandoned full-time medical practice within 15 years of graduation. Which is why there are so many foreign doctors in Ireland. But, of course, no one publicly comments on this.

For with the universal enforcement of the feminist agenda, the first casualty must be any acknowledgement of the Law of Immutable Consequence. “Rights” must therefore always trump “outcome” within this ideology. Nor is this an Irish-only disease. It is, for example, why British courts are repeatedly freeing known Islamic terrorists, at colossal cost to both the taxpayer and to an increasingly frazzled MI5.

However, suicide is a far greater threat to life in most western societies than any Islamist conspiracy. Self-killing increased last year again in Ireland, and with men still the primary victims: up from 82pc to 84pc. Admittedly, the latest overall figure of 525 suicides is down on the 2009 figure of 552, but the proportion of male victimhood has continued to rise inexorably. Now, were the figure reversed, and, say, 450 women a year taking their own lives, the country would have been provoked into uproar by the numerous single-issue state-funded feminist quangos. Instead, silence.

If reason were a weapon in all of this, then one could discuss these matters, but of course it is not. So, yes, Savita Halappanavar’s fate was a tragedy, but was it more tragic than the deaths of 450 men who annually take their own lives? We have now had over a week of public emoting over Savita, which even included an abject prostration before the Indian Ambassador, who has the honour to represent a country where there are a thousand “honour” killings a year, and where the constitution, through its recognition of the domestic application of shariah law, actually excuses divorced Muslim men the obligation to pay alimony to their abandoned wives. Ah yes, the joys of multiculturalism.

Liberal ideological values are now so entrenched within Irish life that they are now simply invisible. The real scandal of RTE’s ‘Frontline’ presidential debate is that it is not actually a scandal at all. Why was it not? Because the beneficiary of the debacle was Ireland’s foremost liberal, Michael D Higgins. But imagine the outcry if Dana had been the victor, if the bogus tweet that ruined Sean Gallagher’s presidential hopes had come from SPUC, and she had been spared the direct and challenging questions, just as their labour candidate was. The outcry would surely have instantly invalidated the election of President Dana Rosemary Scallan.

And of course, the RTE inquiry into that appallingly amateurish programme found that there was no “bias”, because by the standards of our culture, there really was none. Nor is there any “bias” in our neglect of the hundreds of male suicides every year, or in the way that we ignore our own demographics of doom, or in our dogmatic refusal to acknowledge that the feminisation of the Irish medical profession simply means that it is being out-sourced to Asia. These are the great and decisive social issues of our time, about which our great, liberal society remains decisively silent.

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  • Roy Henry

    Ireland is lost as is England.

    • ATBOTL

      Please, kill yourself now and let the men keep fighting.

  • Pelagian

    I used to be a Hibernophile. I studied there, spent Christmas and Easter there, went to a distant cousins wedding. But they are jettisoning their religion, their heritage, .. jettisoning the West in general (and they are the westernmost point of Europe). And committing cultural suicide. Thus, I have no desire to go back. I’d rather remember it as it was. Oh well, another expensive Trip of a Lifetime I don’t have to save up for.

    • The__Bobster

      Ah, but they beat back the lousy Brits.

      • saxonsun

        If you hate the British, you hate White–they are synonymous.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          One of the biggest problems for Europe is that neighbor states hate the other. Irish hate English, Finns hate Swedes, French hate Germans, etc. there are hardly any countries that don’t have a nearby ethic group they have very hold hatreds for another white group. The EU was supposed to help that, but all its done is destroy European culture and ethnicity, the positive aspects.

  • NYB

    “No doubt, the Euro-elites will continue to ignore this irresistible existential tide”

    Like greedy elites everywhere, they only care about owning the deeds of property, not the identity of the serfs.

  • Seek

    But doesn’t Ireland still have the key elements of its Celtic heritage still in place?

    • Daisy

      This article really shames me as an irish person. It so articulates the worst parts of irish culture, some of the inherent misogyny of the Catholic religion. To somehow blame ‘feminists’ or women for everything, for the attacks against white people happening all over the world, is just shameful. Sometimes on this site I literally feel I’m around a bunch of neanderthals who think women should be dragged into their caves.

      The irony is that the thing that makes me the proudest to be white, northwestern european, is that our culture features the most enlightened attitudes towards women in the world. We have historically and contemporaneously had the strongest women of any ‘organized’ society that I know of. And yet on this site dedicated to the rights of white people and the furtherance of their culture there is this constant scapegoating of and attacks against women.

      Maybe there’s your answer as to why white women aren’t procreating so well…maybe, just maybe, white men acting the way they do might be the problem!

      • gemjunior

        I think the real shame is the misunderstanding that exists about true Catholicism which is not what we practice now since Vatican II. The watered down lukewarm version is utterly useless and the sham of Vatican II is what destroyed the faith. Undermined and infiltrated by the same evil group that is doing everything else. All the other stuff, the molestings etc., are all part of the plan to completely destroy Christianity. There are many resources out there with the details – youtube has numerous documentaries on it.
        I no longer believe in the church’s misogyny. Now that I’m older I believe that the church scholars knew what would happen if the traditional roles were destroyed. And it did happen. When women devoted themselves entirely to the children the result was simply better people. Now mothers tired from work, doing their best (which is probably equal to a devoted full-time stay at home mother was half-assing it) raise children who give back what they received.
        The ease with which the fickle perfidious Irish chucked away their faith shames me. I remember walking to St. Peter’s Cathedral with my gloves, veil and prayerbook as a very small kid, and I remember the beauty and mystery of the Latin Mass. Inside the church would take anyone’s breath away. Not like the modern churches that look like inside a storage facility.

      • NYB

        The ‘battle of the sexes’ took a bad turn when race mixing became fashionable among whites around 50 years ago.

        Now, the split between masculine and feminine dovetails with humanitarianism verses conservatism, defense verses passivity, socialism verses individuality, and racialism verses multiculturalism.

        All politics have elements of the battle of the sexes: Labour or Democrat Parties tend toward the feminist, nationalist or conservative parties tend toward the masculine. One side claims to ‘look after the little guy’, the other praises the self-reliant individualist.

        Feminism takes the blame in many quarters for being in the camp of the most pro-immigrant, anti-white, anti-Western, and anti-male politics. It’s just how it is. The ‘civil rights’ movement for blacks walked in step with the Second Wave feminists. Now the Third Wave feminists are deeply anti-white male.

        If whites could go back to self-segregation from other races, relations between the sexes would be at the very least be held to the standards of equality of Western Civilization. As long as Third Wave feminists see “minorities” as their comrades in arms, a conflict exists.

      • Pelagian

        If you understood any of the dogmas of the Blessed Virgin Mary, you would understand that The Catholic Church is in fact the only religion in the world, that can be categorically excluded from the charge of misogyny. If you mean individual priests, then that’s a different story. But you didnt say “individual priests” did you? You went for throwing an entire religion, lasting 2000 years and presently governing 1 billion people, under the bus.

        And, btw, I don’t define misogynistic as being against anything a female human being may want or desire. (Like you get called anti-gay for, I don’t know, being against free-lubricant for gays). We’re talking about blind hatred of women so much so that you ignore even the divine order.

        • Daisy

          Well here’s the problem: the catholic church maintains that men and men only can mediate the word of god to us lowly women. If that is not misogyny I don’t know what is. And I happen to agree with you that misogynistic is not ‘being against anything a female human being may want or desire’.

          I disagree that the church was a stabilizing influence on the irish. It’s ironic, or maybe just totally hypocritical, that many posters who deride homosexuality also defend as sacred the inherent gayness of so many of the catholic priests, which is one source of the institution’s misogyny.

          The celts resented the jesuits’ roman-influenced hatred of women particularly as they of all of europe’s peoples were the most egalitarian when it came to relations between the sexes. It is again, the attribute of which I am the proudest as a white person and women.

    • carocaput

      What key elements?- oh you must mean the Catholic faith that imbued the Irish culture. Instead of fighting to oust the church’s infiltration by her enemies as good son’s would; they whined and complained like powerless children. Their unique charm will be lost as they move ever more away from the faith. Notice I say faith and not the Vatican.

      • gemjunior

        I don’t understand how people in glass houses can throw stones. Imagine the number of Jews that stood by and whined and complained like powerless children instead of fighting to oust those intent on putting them in boxcars? Now close yer piehole about Ireland. BTW Alan Shatter, a member of your tribe, somehow got hold of Immigration Czar in Ireland, a position of power able to affect the society greatly. What a surprise, right? So rarely seen, Jews in political positions that affect nations negatively, or should we say that wreck nations?

  • Ulick

    These “great, Liberal” societies (as the title says) are not quiet on these issues. Actually, they are quite vocal. Everywhere I turn they are talking about the browning of white nations, or how white countries have a multicultural future, or how whites must embrace and turn over power to minorities. Liberals, I find, are becoming increasingly vocal about their true goals.

    • The__Bobster

      Now that they think they’ve won, they no longer feel a need to hide their agenda. That will be their undoing.

  • splitsing

    There are a dozen mosques being erected in Ireland at present, and plans for a dozen more.

    • NYB

      Where is the armed fury of the Irish nationalists now?

      Right, the nationalists got in bed with the Marxists, whose ideology is to break down nations and unite with the world-wide proletariat in a worker’s utopia. The Irish guerrila lions are licking the red boot.

      The church did a terrific job conditioning the Irish mind to be docile and obedient to one ideology or another.

      • gemjunior

        They’re probably gearing up to send Alan Shatter-Joo and Ronit Lenin-Joo back to Israel where they belong instead of getting together with Barbara Lerner
        Specter-Joo on behalf of their nation-wrecking brethren, to kill off the remaining Irish so they can fill the Fair hills of Holy Ireland with the Nigerians that were turfed out of Israel.

        • jeffaral

          I just visited Irland once one year ago and the christian Nigerians are everywhere. The future of Irland is BLACK!

      • Pelagian

        The Church is partly to blame … but not like you think. What we are seeing today in Ireland, I believe, are the Jansenist chickens coming home to roost.

        The Church in Ireland was unduly influenced by Jansenism. Jansenism is a Catholic version of Calvinism. Calvinism is a Christian version of Judaism. The pre-Jansenist Celtic church, on the other hand, is about as pure a Roman Catholicism as you will find. Taken directly from the monastic colonies of Patristic times, such as founded by the Roman St. Patrick.

        If you are not formed properly in the Faith, you will fall for multiculturalism or whatever claptrap comes along.

        (I am not a Pelagian btw … just a stupid name I chose to make my posts more searchable since the name “John” sucked).

    • pcmustgo

      I suppose Eurabia is the punishment for European anti-semitism… all this time spent hating the Jews and aligning with Muslims…So convinced Jews were the problem and Muslims were great seeing as how they also hated Jews…

  • Gwynn Ap Nudd

    Many of the Irish Revolutionaries said that it was all for nothing. The Culture had already been lost and Ireland just became a small version of England. The attempt at Gaelic was basically a joke – nobody was really interested. They just didn’t have the resiliency and fierce pride that lead millions of Jews to become Israelis.

    • pcmustgo

      I’m half jewish here., Yeah, the Irish didn’t have the Holocaust…. that lead to millions of Jews becoming Israelis and/or getting very into their Jewish Identity.

      • Daisy

        Um, yeah we did kind of have a holocaust…ever heard of the Famine? There was more british orchestration of this than the pro-Israeli Lobby wants anyone to know. That lobby doesn’t want anyone to know a lot of things…
        I’ll never get how my irish uncles fought the nazis, lost lives in so doing, came back to the US to work as janitors and then had to listen to jewish men whining about how they weren’t even willing to fight as they were ‘holocausted.’ I’ll just never get that, sorry.

        • Steve

          The pro-israel lobby does mot give a flying f about Ireland. Why should they? My Jewish Uncles fought against the Nazis, so what? One landed at Normandy and fought all the way through to czechoslovakia. He came home, became a doctor, because he was smart and worked his rear end off and then had to listen to Irishmen janitors complaining about Jews, while he treated their fricking children for free – because they were so irresponsible with money. I’ll just never get that. By the way interesting how your uncles lost lives and “came back” I dont get that either.

          • gemjunior

            There were a lot less Jewish Uncles fighting the Nazis because they were busy working in the banks collecting all the Irish janitors taxes for their counting houses. Every small charity like Jewish doctors treating fricking Irish children for free – (and I confess with my right hand on the Bible that I’ve never seen that) is money owed that was filched from gentiles. Please admit it the jews are great at feathering their own nests with unconstitutional income tax – illegal as the federal reserve and as nefarious.

          • Daisy

            Yeah, and how about Viet Nam? Again, my father served in the Marines, and his first cousin served in the Army and died there.

            I’ve yet to hear of a jewish casualty in Viet Nam, or meet a jew who had even fought at all.

          • steve

            Look up Jack Jacobs, Medal of Honor winner, Vietnam. I guess he got that for banking.

          • Daisy

            Let’s see the source and stats on Viet Nam. The jews were grossly underrepresented. All anyone has to do is go and study the War Memorial, as I’ve done many a time while finding relatives and friends’ relatives’ names. All the average American, particularly those who live among dense populations of jews, has to do is look around him/her to notice they barely know any jew who fought in Viet Nam.

          • pcmustgo

            Perhaps their skills were better appreciated being doctors and medics in the army than being sent into combat.

          • Daisy

            Perhaps they taxed the european masses to get money to go to medical school, although I still know only one jew who even served as such and thereby could fit this description.

            A close friend fought in the Marines in Korea; he grew up irish and poor and could only go to engineering school instead of following his passion for medicine (medical school is longer and requires more money) for lack of funding. He happens to be a member of one of the most elite mensa societies; it wasn’t ‘smarts’ that enabled the jews to skip out on fighting, not unless you count, uh, non-intellectual kinds…

          • Steve

            Half a million Jews fought in the US Army in WWII. Higher percentage of the population than Gentile Americans. Look it up. Were they all in the Banking Corps? My father and my uncles were all in combat. That is why Jews in America quit taking sh– after the war.

          • pcmustgo

            My Jewish Grandfather (I’m only half) died due complications he had serving in WW2

            Btw, Hitler threatened the rest of Europe. You should dislike Hitler just for that- he didn’t just hurt or hate Jews, but Poles, et,c and invaded France…

            How could you idolize such a man?

          • Daisy

            I’d like to see your source for this statistics. I’ve read sources that have caught jewish authorities distorting stats on percentage of jews in the population and percentage of jews who fought in wars going back to the Civil War.

          • Daisy

            I attended a jewish nursery school, that’s how anti-wasp my irish mother was. I grew up around jews all my life; they formed the majority in my schooling through college. My mother’s irish father graduated from MIT grad school in engineering in half the time it took the average student, including jews.

            I inherited some of those high IQ irish genes, and also had to learn first hand how utterly corrupt is the notion that ‘jews are smart.’ I achieved the highest SAT scores in my grade amongst the ‘smart kids,’ a group which included all these allegedly genius ashkenaze jews, even one who had been tracked a year ahead of me in math, although that was due to sexism. The plain fact is that the jews were no smarter than these dumb irresponsible irish (read the book Shiksa which means ‘abomination’ to hear how many jews in Europe would refer to white women, especially catholic white women). What they were was very organized and arrogant, and entitled. They were also willing to resort to the basest violence by the time I was an adolescent to try to compete with me.

            I’ve noted a trend; some white people with very high IQ’s develop disapprobation of the jews, as the reality that the jews are merely average is so threatening to a group that’s been taught they are chosen. The resentment and hatred these smarter whites face from insecure and delusional jews can be intense, and I’m also suspicious many of these whites come from more modest backgrounds, as that increases the fears in jews who in Europe had depended on the majority of whites being poor for their myth of superior intelligence to seem cogent.

          • jeffaral

            The plain truth is that Jews never contributed an iota to civilisation with the exception of Communism (Karl Marx) and that unintelligible so called holy book.

          • steve

            Except for the polio vaccine and 13 of Nobel pizes in medicine – disregard that

          • steve

            You convinced me – with your anecdote and your use of the word “cogent” – Jews are stupid and you are smart. The Jews tried to keep you down but no way, not with those hight IQ irish genes. That setlles that.

          • Daisy

            I actually wasn’t trying to convince *you* of anything. I know it’s hard for your people to conceive that the world does not revolve around you…

          • steve

            But Daisy, your brilliance convinced me anyway. Your use of the word. Dissaprobation wowed me. I cannot help but to be in awe of your genius. And those Ashkenazi Jews are just so average. Every test shows it, and the great IQ test of life proves it. All those Nobel Prizes, those businesses, those accomplishments: stolen obviously. I wonder what all your Ashkenazi classmates are doing? Undoubtedly failures compared to you.

          • Daisy

            I’m going to remind people: don’t get sucked into debating racism against whites with the jews. They are the founders of the NAACP and that organization still draws large amounts of their funding from jewish sources. White people have too much to do; energy should not be wasted. I should not have taken the bait when a jewish agitator came on a thread devoted to irish cultural issues. It would be more productive to discuss our oppression as whites with the Nation of Islam (I’m serious!). BTW, those same NAACP jews were also the founders and orchestrators of the Israeli Lobby. The best source I’ve read if anyone wants to further educate themselves is The Host and the Parasite, which details Israel’s parasitic relationship with the American government and people. It reflects an urgent crisis and threat to our liberties that such a book could only be purchased on Amazon. No large retailer in the US would even order it. A brave Canadian journalist took the time and risk to champion the truth and our efforts need to be focused.

          • Daisy

            Oh, and another good source of information in the effort to free the US from Israeli captivity: Council for the National Interest is a website and org. that was founded by Phil Giraldi, Paul Findley and Allison Weir. Giraldi is ex-CIA, Findley was a long-term congressman ousted by the Israeli Lobby for challenging it’s exploitation of his district and the American people, and Weir is an American journalist crusading against the Lobby’s propaganda. They give incisive, up-to-date articles on what’s happening now in the Middle East and how the Israelis continue to co-opt our government.

          • steve

            I agree. You will do very well discussing things with the Nation Of Islam. It will be a productive coversation for you.

          • pcmustgo

            Sweetie, I’m half Jewish and YES, I HAVE MET DUMB JEWS…. Mediocre Jews… Yes, yes, yes… And bright blacks exist too… Ok? This is all about “averages”. And yes, while those IQ/SAT/Pisa tests tell us something, they are not the be all – end all of a human being. But we can’t deny racial realities either….

          • Daisy

            I’m not going to respond to jewish agitators because all they do on a pro-white site is distract and waste time. So I’ll state here that I have never stated nor implied that I ‘idolize Hitler.’

            Why can’t we whites – indigenous europeans as opposed to, say, part middle eastern people – simply discuss our own issues in a pro-white forum?

          • gemjunior

            Daisy, I agree that it is a total waste of time to respond to jewish agitators because they truly believe that you have nerve to answer back to them, even to suggest you are equal to them. It’s bread in their bone that we are utterly beneath them. Cattle and all that. I bet that this will be deleted or unposted because I know this is an uncomfortable topic for some people. Maybe the site believes that jews will side with them if they don’t print any criticism of jews, but that’s like believing a lion chasing a wounded gazelle won’t eat it. I read some of the posts back to you from jews or half-jews, people trying to help you “understand” the jews, and one guy who holds that irish a nd Italians are lower on the social level than other Europeans. Claims they aren’t “too bright” compared to other groups. It’s always nice when people of a dying race in-fight and bait one another instead of working together. The pro-jew claims in one of his posts also that “jew hatred is irrational” which is typical jewspeak for “we cannot and will not ever be criticized. We were thrown out of every Christian country in Europe for the last thousand years because we did NOTHING to upset the citizens, we did nothing to incur their displeasure. That is the theme of every smug, superior jew — any gentile criticizes us ever, about anything, and they’re an anti-semite – a crime worse than murder – which will probably soon be punishable by death. Also, the fact that the tiniest group of 0.2% of the world’s population have networked and finagled their way towards the infiltration of governments, all media, and academia worldwide by deception, by changing their surnames and other false and deceptive pretense only to use their strength not to further the goals of the nation but to further the goals of themselves and each other even if it hurts their nation. To take financial resources from Americans to give to those they consider MORE of their brethren than other Americans who are their countrymen. And we must not criticize that? Are they joking? It’s like imagine if Irish -Americans took money from their fellow US citizens and found numerous ways to funnel that money to Ireland, had a lobby that ran the US government and also wielded disproportionate influence EVERYWHERE. And then when this is commented on, scream that the person noticing is Anti Irish! Sounds crazy because it IS crazy and should not be tolerated. So they can continue to believe their baloney all they want but it won’t change what it is – baloney. Their fellow Jews come first and if they have to rob their fellow citizens, that’s all good too. To know who rules over you, determine who it is that you must never criticize. Hint: It’s not Irish or Italian social bottom feeders…….

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I’m going to suggest to you that you are the one posting about Jews so much. You seem obsessed, in fact.

          • Daisy

            That would be the jews who came onto a thread devoted to irish culure, which has nothing to do with judaism whatsoever, and obsessively started to post about jewish issues, all the while making totally inaccurate characterizations of irish people and culture. No one can really keep up with them.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            So…. everyone who disagrees with your interpretation of Ireland or its culture, OR anything is a Jew? Fascinating.

            For myself, I have spent some time in Ireland and been involved in its music, history and culture for decades. Also, I am an apostate Christian.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            It’s actually an average, not EVERY Jew, and it’s been well enough documented and demonstrated throughout history. Makes me question your entire post, it’s just so ludicrous.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Your first paragraph here is a good example of how white Europeans have been their own worst enemies through the ages and that Christianity has most often been the cause of it. Here’s some news for you; you’re not the only non-Jew who has a high IQ and not the only engineer or – (fill in the blank). What you seem to be is a product of your mother’s reactionary personality, which is also one of those less valuable Irish characteristics. Emotionalism subtracts IQ points by tens, and your over-corrective personality is all too obvious here.

            Who cares what some ethnic groups calls women of other ethnic groups? Posters here regularly assign to black women a number of colorful appellations.

            Jews first came to Europe as suppliers to the Roman army, but later Christianity made money handing taboo for Christians (although Bishops came under no such ban), this allowed Jews to become powerful in Europe. But they also made great contributions. One such is the fact that at the height of the middle ages the only medical school in Europe was in Montpelier and was run by Jewish doctors. This is just a sampling of problematic history. We ought to be learning the right lessons and picking the right fights rather than chasing our tails as you are here.

            Yes, you are; you assert how intelligent you must be (above all others) and then accuse Jews of the same practice. Daisy, you’ve got your share of personal work to do if you want to be an effective commentator.

          • Pelagian

            Ill vote Steve’s post “up” because some of that rings true. And even if it’s not actually true, there is enough blame to go around on all sides.

          • Steve

            Hey thanks. Its true. Normandy all the way to Czechoslovakia. Most people dont know US troops made it that far. And free treatment. My Father fought in the Pacific – combat officer – became a lawyer though on the GI bill. Both very successful after the war so, for them, there is no blame. They did fantastically. Why should they blame anyone. If someone else was a failure, they have only themselves to blame. (And the Jews of course)

          • Daisy

            This site has chronically repressed substantive challenges and negations of Steve’s, uh, ‘argument.’ It is not a site that allows rigorous challenges of jewish racism, imperialism, and exploitation. That is the biggest problem with AmRen. This will iikely get deleted before it’s posted or in a short time after by a moderator.

            All one needs to do is consider the basic creed of Judaism, though, to grasp it’s essence: the jews were chosen by god to take others’ land as long as they remain united and semi-egalitarian in that unity with each other, they have the god-given right to live a life of exaltation over the inferior lowly goyim. And the lie is the truth as the idiot goyim are too dumb to know the difference…

          • pcmustgo

            ALL groups, including Native Americans, believed themselves to be “god’s chosen” and are basically ethno-centric.

          • pcmustgo

            You care more about hating Jews than shining a light on anti-white racism committed by blacks, latinos, asians and indians… thanks

          • gemjunior

            That is just ridiculous. If you’ve read any of her previous posts on that subject, you’d know that she has plenty to say about anti-white racism by blacks, latinos, asians and indians but the current topic was the greatness of the Jews and the simpletons of Irish and Italian background.

            I have plenty to say as well about anti-white perpetrators. The fact remains that when Jewish Alan Shatter became Immigration Minister – immigration INTO Ireland of Africans, gypsies and Muslims skyrocketed. People began to raise eyebrows because Jews are pushing this. “Europe will be multicultural and must make this transition. And Jews will be resented because of their role.” Barbara Lerner Spector (Jewish)

            There is no denying that there is a disproportionate amount of jews involved in trying to blend the white out of white European countries

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Just about every indigenous religion (which Judaism is, regardless of what religions usurped it to create their own) has these features in common. The analytical fact is true that Judaism was first focused on a liberating, supportive war god that morphed into a lawmaker (via Hammurabbi) to become a law focused god for the purpose of social cohesion and survival. Every one of these feature their own ethnic group as their gods “chosen people.” We know about Judaism because of Christianity and Islam, both of which sampled Judaism heavily to arrive at their product. Genghis Khan was following the dictates of his war god when he set out to butcher much of the Central Asian population. Schizophrenic personalities hearing voices have often been both the leaders of superstitious outbreaks and its chief victims over the centuries. One famous psychologist, Princeton’s Julian Jaynes wrote a magnificent work on the issue back in 1980, “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.” As irrelevant as the emotionally driven poster may find that, it becomes chief and important background knowledge in understanding how “we” got to this day and what our best way forward might be.

            I am constantly suggesting that the white predicament today partially comes from huge mistakes in our past such as the fictitious and self-created obsession with Jews. Europeans went to them (if ancient Romans can be considered truly “European”). Current archeological and historical analysis for example paints a far different picture than the myths of Moses, etc. This analysis points to the likelihood that the Jews were in fact the Canaanites, some of whom rose up against a tyrannical ruler. The myths of the Jews were created during the time they were captives in Babylon as a way to rally the “groups” by creating a cohesive identity and a sense of national pride featuring a fierce god/deliverer. They came to keep a future option as a coming messiah in the “hip pocket,” for future use. But obsessed posters like you chronically repeat the white, European mistakes that lead us to create our own worst enemies and defeat ourselves with hypocrisy. Through historically picking the wrong battles, (a perversion driven by Christianity), we have historically done a better job at destroying ourselves than any other racial or ethnic group. Rather than learn from Jews, whites on the “fairy path” (appropriate for a post on an article concerning Ireland), too many whites that would wish to save the race only seem to be capable of this tail chasing activity. I think that by really apply ourselves and being willing to admit some past faults, we have a far better chance than what wallowing in vainglorious indulgences allows.

            This site (if I may say so) is focused on the notion of race realism as an intellectual focus with potential support for achieving paths forward for concerned whites. The discussion may become diverse and some subtlety of thought is required.

            I have seen posters like you come and go over the past 10 years. You all have a few things in common. One is an unresolved set of personal problems and a need for support. The other is rather than discussing race and cultural problems in a realistic manner, it features hard diversions into “race surreality.” These types are gone in three to six month time because such maniacal assertions cannot be sustained and are only supported by posters with similar problems. If you are nearly as smart as you declare yourself to be you ought to be capable in some constructive self-evaluation.

          • Pelagian

            I meant “blame” as to which group fulfills its social responsibilities to a “T” and which group are scofflaws. There is a little of both in both groups. And I am in the Irish one.

          • Daisy

            My maternal grandfather graduated first or second in his class in engineering from Notre Dame, finishing his grad degree at MIT in one year as opposed to the normal two. He was also a world’s record holder in track who trained under Knute Rockne, and an alternate to be a Rhodes Scholar. He rose the highest of any catholic in Exxon in the 40’s.

            My father worked his way through a city college then won a *merit*-based scholarship to one of the country’s top law schools and went on to become a semi-famous and ranked in the top 3 lawyers in his field in one of the most competitive and densely populated states.

            I grew up in a town with at least a half white/native european populace who largely came from the upper middle class. A nearby town of half eastern european jews, semitic people, and mediterranean southern italians, politically strong-armed the regional system of the area so that our town could not secede from being stuck in their mafia and irgun-run scumpit. They were socioeconomically (which seems to be an issue on this thread) well under the average of the whites – northwestern and native europeans – in my hometown. They wanted to suck off of our work (we didn’t kill people for a living), talent, money, and off of our people.

            Besides besting these pathetic lowlifes in the SAT’s, being ranked in the state in my sport, and enduring both sexual physical harassment and abduction and assault from them as a young girl, I went on to endure an attempted rape at a prestigious college by a jewish man who had a history of attacking blonde and redheaded white females. The poor thing, he went to Andover Academy while I carried his brethren for four years in their s******e excuse of a highschool, and he still didn’t come close to me on his SAT’s…

            They simply couldn’t take responsibility for they failures…

          • Pelagian

            Interesting. Cranks, Daisy

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Well, just look at this Big Fish!

          • Daisy

            That would be steve, or every jew, or even the average one, or god knows what you meant in the post where you project your own ludicrous and bent worldview onto me.

            The sheer fact is, this thread *was* one devoted to irish issues. It had nothing to do with jewish people whatsoever until jewish people started to make it obsessively about them.

            That in itself says all anyone needs to know about cranks, and what some of the biggest challenges facing whites are. ,

            The only difference between myself and what I’ve noted is at *least* half the posters on this site is that I have the nerve to call, um, *cranks* out directly instead of ducking the moderators by making semi-covert allusions to them.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I’ve been posting here on Amren since 2006. You are a newcomer, just recent arrival. It is easy to see that your obsessions and focuses are somewhat disqualified by your inability to think (or at least write) in a meaningful way. Perhaps you are just used to short, bombastic splurps on
            Twitter, or..?”

          • Daisy

            … or making fun of steve, pcmustgo, et al doing exactly that…?

            You still avoid countenancing the fact that these people came on here – a thread about irish people – and felt compelled to somehow inject jewishness, into a discussion which really has nothing to do with irish culture. pcmustgo has already set a pattern for both fabricating views white people write, but also justifying attacks against white women on other threads. She even felt compelled to assert to a bunch of irish people that they never experienced a holocaust upthread. This ‘contribution’ came out of her; it was not ‘offered’ in reaction to any comment related to jewish people made by other posters.

            The posts made by jews speak for themselves. I’ve read quite a bit on this site. You don’t know when I started to read articles and posts here. There are plenty of posters who hold views similar to mine regarding these issues. I have no interest in going onto some thread or site devoted to jewish culture and trolling…

          • Daisy

            The posts written by jews on here pretty much tell the story of who came on a thread about irish culture and indulged their obsessions, not to mention bombast. Actually, I would call it drivel; bombast seems a bit generous.
            I don’t think you’re in a position to qualify or not how long someone’s been reading on this webiste, or whether their contributions are ‘meaningful.’

          • pcmustgo

            Whoever mentioned The Catholics /Irish having a holocaust of Abortion- yeah, you guys aren’t the brightest lights in the rooms and you= working class, lower class whites. The only reason you’d be having all those abortions, is that , like Blacks and Latinos (of course, not as bad), you guys have problems remembering how to use birth control. You too have your anti-intellectual problems… I have a ton of experience with Irish folk, and while I love them and can respect everyone, yes, many are stereotypical, blue collar, drunk irishmen. They get evicted a lot and love to drink (I mean, have serious alcoholism problems). They’re simpletons more than anything. The irish= the poor, uneducated, blue collar white folk of this country. I am not saying that to hurt them, but it is the truth. The irish and the italians are on the bottom of the white pile. And no, I don’t think it’s because of Wasps and Jews and Germans oppressing them. That being said, I respect the Irish and Italians for sticking to their guns with Blacks, not fleeing urban areas because of blacks, etc. With Italians, I of course respect their food and artistry (btw, the Italians can be pretty violent and thuggish). They are simple folk, these white urban “meatheads” , as one other guy on here called them, but I respect them and find many of them endearing. Being around a blue collar irish person is almost as exotic and alien and “other” to me than a simple black. Totally different culture. THE TRUTH IS THAT LOWER CLASS WHITES AND UPPER CLASS WHITES ARE ON TWO DIFFERENT PLANETS. THERE, I SAID IT, I SPILL THE “SOCIAL CLASS” BEANS… It doesn’t mean I hate them

          • pcmustgo

            Perhaps this too is what keeps us whites from uniting… the class issues… the class rage really that goes on in the White community.

        • gemjunior

          Good answer. Especially understand the soldiers working honest labor after losing a leg in Germany or Poland, then having to listen to either ingratitude from the Jews or to be guilty for not having done enough. Like all the toddlers and pre-schoolers in Europe and the US who didn’t storm the camps soon enough still have to hear about it today. Everyone knows people who’ve had this experience.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          Ireland had hundreds of years of oppression by England, on top of being dominated by Catholicism to the point that they had to invent a dancing style that looked like they were just walking around quickly if viewed through a window. But even with all that, the Jews were persecuted (beginning with the Roman wars and expulsion) for a couple thousand years. I’m hoping for an Irish backlash. But the men must stop killing themselves! It is very un-Irish to not at least fight a hopeless fight.

          • Daisy

            The jews were not ‘persecuted.’ There was no diaspora; the jews voluntarily and with an eye on making money off of the european masses’ labor went into Europe over the centuries after being treated completely typically by the Romans. The eastern european jews were calling white women ‘abomination’ or ‘shiksa,’ a yiddish term, centuries before the czars used this proclivity in the jews back against them. My source for this particular fact is the book Shiksa, by Christine Benvenuto if anyone’s interested in checking. It was the jews’ racism towards the white european masses turned back on themselves that has been construed and reconfigured to be considered their ‘persecution.’ My source for the lack of a diaspora is a close friend, jewish scholar and retired part time hebrew school teacher, among other sources.

          • Pelagian

            Can’t believe someone is knocking nonSexual dancing styles on a pro-white (somewhat anti-Black) message board.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I am a long time fan and student of Irish folk lore, Irish history, and culture, including Irish folk music and dance. I wasn’t “knocking”it, but explaining as there is a point to make. It happens to be a fact that Irish Step Dancing developed because the priests forbade dancing (on Sundays, I believe), and since that was the only day there was any time, the unique style of dancing developed sot that the participants wouldn’t appear to be dancing if the priest happened to walk by the home. Anyone who grew up in a Catholic dominated culture knows that the priests were into everyone’s lives and controlled everything. That is one reason why the rebellions are so strong, once they get going.

            I can’t believe that so many who think they are pro-white know so little about their own cultures.

      • The__Bobster

        And you didn’t either.

        • Daisy

          What myth would that be?

      • gemjunior

        Definitely a famine or holodomor that vanquished 1/4 the population. The word famine is a misnomer actually. Ireland was a land of plenty – cattle, deer, fish, over-abundance of wheat, barley, corn, and every type of vegetables and fruits. All exported to Britain under armed guard so the starving couldn’t sneak a handful of food but had to content themselves with grass. I think that there are few nationalities with resiliency and fierce pride to equal Irish people. Very few Irish ever hid their origins by changing their name, or worked by subterfuge to gain tremendous power before feeling confident enough to announce their true identity (backed up by money and power obtained by way of deception).

        • pcmustgo

          The Jews had to change their names or had them changed for them by some officer on Ellis Island…

          • pcmustgo

            Btw, BOTH JEWS AND IRISH FACED SERIOUS DISCRIMINATION HERE IN THE U.S….

      • http://thewhitechrist.wordpress.com/ Fr. John+

        “Yeah, the Irish didn’t have the Holocaust.” And, if Red Cross figures and total silence on the part of all writers of WWII who lived through it is any indication, (rather than the fictional accounts that neither jived with facts, numbers of Jews before and after WWII- guess what- worldwide, the numbers went UP!) then, neither did the Jews. While Catholics alone have borne the real holocaust -of Abortion, that so many liberal jews push under the table (that is, if they’re not already the doctors performing the gruesome crimes themselves). Oh, GOD, yes. I deny the Hollow Hoax totally, irrrevocably. You have NOTHING to stand on. It’s all a fraud.

        • Daisy

          You could be put in jail for this statement in Europe, you know. Raul Hillberg is considered the authoritative primary source for data on the murder of the jews by the SS. He puts the figure at 5.1 million (I learned of his writings through those of Norman Finkelstein, who also questions much of the Holocaust Industry – an actual title of one of his books). But even that number is a total of deaths, not the number of people killed in gas chambers. It includes death by typhus, gunshot, starvation, etc. etc. There is copious evidence that Zionists were touting the fictional 6 million number decades before the war even started.

          Again, though, there is the problem that the jews refused to fight. Sobibor was a camp that was destroyed because a group of captives fought back. Many of them were Russian soldiers. The jews also jockeyed their own selves into the position of being blamed for more than just their actual misdeeds.

          Mostly the jews have this notion that they were the only targets of a global mass murder. More than 1 million people were killed in the seige of Stalingrad alone. Why are jewish lives worth more than anyone else’s? For merely posting this question and numerical clarification I could also be put in jail in Europe.

          • shmo123

            Jewish lives are not “more important” than anyone elses, but Jews alone among all the groups in Europe were targeted for extermination. If you were anything else– Slav, gypsy, communist– or any other group high on the Nazi hate list, life was horrible under occupation, but you had a chance of staying alive. If you were a Jew, you were going to be killed, period. Whether you lived in a ghetto it was only a matter of time before you were shipped off to a death camp; if you were hiding somewhere, and they caught you, the result was the same. I write this as a Catholic, not a Jew, but those are the facts. As for why you see more stories, movies, etc. showing the Jews as victims, is that so hard to figure out?

          • Daisy

            Jews were most definitely not alone among all the groups in Europe who were targeted for extermination. That is absurd. All groups faced mass murder and either purposeful attempted or de facto attempted extermination. The jews just a)refused to fight and b)consider their lives not only more important to *them* but to everyone else as well.

          • shmo123

            No, it’s not absurd, and as I mentioned earlier, while other groups were labeled “untermenschen” and died in huge numbers by the Nazi murderers, none were specifically targeted for death except for the Jews. I know I’m right about this and you need to study history a bit more. Read about the Wannsee conference–that might be a good place to start.

          • Daisy

            Hillberg questions whether the conference even took place, and yes, he is a jew, as is Norman Finkelstein, Phd, Princteon. Estimates range that around twice the number of catholics were murdered through the death camps as jews.

            Further, european males – european, not jewish – were exterminated at numbers that make the 5.1 million for all jews seem like more of a footnote than the main story. Amongst the millions and millions of people who were ‘targeted for death’ all over the globe were Russian civilians, German civilians, Japanese, etc. etc. etc. Your assertions remain absurd ‘hoary myths’ and ‘canards’ (two favorite israeli-lobby expressions) about WWII.

            I personally graduated from one of the oldest universities in the US with a 4.0 in History, thank you very much.

          • steve

            There were half a million Jews or more in the Red Army and Half a million in the US army – fighting. Add in those from the British Empire. The ones that were killed were in no army and for the most part could not fight. But we learned our lesson from the whole thing. The fighters live. Israel fights, so course the Jew haters hate that as well.

        • pcmustgo

          Hey, loser, Hitler DOCUMENTED everything he did to those Jews…like a stereotypical German, he was sure of that. Hitler was a meglomaniac who hated Polish people too and invaded France… You call that “unity” for white people? Unbelievable all this Jewish hatred that keeps whites divided. We (jews and half jews) suffer hatred from Blacks, Latinos and Asians too… who btw, I would never wish a holocaust on either…

          Sorry, I’ve seen footage of Aushwitz, and the other camps and they were HUGE… If you hate Jews so much, why are you in such denial that the holocaust happened? Wouldn’t you be proud Hitler killed so many Jews…

        • Steve

          Ok – deny the Holocaust. I deny that the grass is green. Or as you say: The Grass is PURPLE! Capitalize away “father”. It is a free country, thank heaven. You can deny whatever you like. You will get a yawn from 90% of Jews and Gentiles. No jail time. You are not a martyr for your beliefs

    • gemjunior

      The attempt at Gaelic was basically a joke – nobody was interested.”
      The Irish language was spoken for thousands of years. It wasn’t a matter of being interested. The famine claimed the lives of so many and nearly all were native speakers. The others opted to learn English for employment since they were unwilling to depend on the land again and employment was given not by fellow Irish but by Anglo-Irish or English. Since they owned the large tracts of land granted to them which the peasantry had been cleared off of. Why an entire peasantry was subsisting dangerously on one food source is another topic entirely.

  • pcmustgo

    When whites can’t even rely on those Irish catholics to pump em’ out , we know we’re doomed…

  • KenelmDigby

    It’s 77% Irish mothers now.
    In another generation it will be less than 50%.
    Count on it.

  • David Ashton

    Incredible some comments – rerunning the British v Irish quarrels, while both Ireland and Britain crumble under an Asiatic and Black “unarmed invasion”, when white unity universally is needed as the “liberals” aka “cultural Marxists” openly proclaim the destruction of both nations.

    • Daisy

      Incredible that a jew had the nerve to assert that the Irish had no experience of ‘holocaust.’

    • pcmustgo

      Yup, and I come here a half-jewish “white” person, after having experienced dozens of f-ing awful, racist experiences with blacks, latinos, asians and indians only to find out I’m not “white enough” to be here…. crazy world we live in. I come here, with my naturally light hair and eyes, to have pictures of clearly “brown” mestizo/mulatto women ((nothing against them, the mulatto/mestizo women with blond hair dye on) past posts about that lady shot in Mexico and link to vdare.com article about Mexican beauty queens being whiter than average for Mexico)) be hailed as fine examples of white women while being told I, as a half jew (turned Christian), am descended from monkey’s in Africa, and I need to “go the f- back to Israel). Btw, I have nothing against you thinking some mulatto/mestizo/brown women are beautiful, but oh, the irony, oh the absurdity of it all.

      • steve

        Dear sir: Jew hatred (even towards those like yourself who are Christian but who have Jewish relatives) is irrational. Dont look for any rhyme or reason in it. I like to tweak people occasionally about it, but there is no conversation, I am aware of that. These people in their hearts believe Jews to be responsible for most evil in the world, to be a spawn of the Devil, to be cursed by God and on and on. The fact that Jews are successful and happy (Israel for example has the lowest suicide rate and highest birthrate in the industrialized world) despite this “curse” and inherent evil, only proves how diabolical they really are!

        • Pelagian

          I, myself, don’t hate Jews. I just think it’s funny how when they become famous they use their middle name as their last name. Fools us dumb goyim every time!

          • steve

            How could we fool you though? I thought you could spot us a mile away :)

          • Daisy

            In your imagination about being singularly targeted for extermination in WWII Europe, we could spot you a mile away, or maybe a little less. Try the book Hiding in Plain Sight, written by a jew who survived with her family during the war by adopting a Polish identity. The greatest challenge was to not be spotted for the way she and the vast majority of her ethnic group looked. This was so hard because it was fairly easy to simply recognize a totally different ethnic group which was made up largely from a different ‘race.’

          • Daisy

            Again, before ‘steve’ imagines further that my responses are directed towards him I want to add to posters that I write on this issue to clarify something to them. Please be aware that to be pro-white is about facing the attacks that come from being…white, and that status is something that can be determined very often by just looking at a person.

          • Steve

            Yes we can spot “you” a mile away as well. But just because I use the word you (or your) and am replying to “you” do not imagine that this is directed to “you”. Please be aware that being pro-Jew is about living well and succeeding in life and letting the losers gnash their teeth and blame the Jew. But This is not about “you” or “your” brilliance and genius. I can only hope this was cogent so I do not face any disapprobation.

          • Daisy

            Moderators try not to delete my and other posters’ comments about the Israeli Lobby – there are several titles I’ve listed that have simply been deleted. In light of that need to repress real debate and education, I will once again merely direct readers to the posts made by jews above…particularly those by pcmustgo. Her posts pretty much sum up the problems jewish people pose to any pro-white movement , but there’s much more to learn if one checks Amazon, for eg.

  • lakeside

    They all know whites of European origin number about 500 million on earth and the other 2 races number 6.5 billion. The idea as in pc America is to mock make fun of and denigrate white people until they are not only a minority but extinct and then this takes ends the white so chosen race of white man religion and ends the white race it at the same time. Its a 2fer.

    Congrats to the great Jefferson for race equality and Madison for religious equality selling that snake oil way back in 1776 and 1789. And please dont try to defend either one by saying they meant something else because both were lawyers and both were fully aware of semantics and how words or documents could be twisted and bastardized. Jefferson and Madison were simply 2 dumb arrogant sombeechs. Being wise as serpents didnt apply.

    You see if the other races just sit back and allow them to do it the so called leaders and wise men of the white race always stab themselves in the back or in their own feet and all other whites with them.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    I have always loved the beautiful, but tragic Irish. They always overdo everything in a very Irish way. I can only hope that the backlash will begin soon.