American Atheists to Display Anti-Mormon Ads During Florida Presidential Debate

Jaweed Kaleem, Huffington Post, October 22, 2012

From interfaith efforts in support of Islam to “I am Mormon” billboards, it’s become common for religious organizations to buy public ads to promote their faiths and causes. But a national atheist organization is taking it a step further, using Monday’s presidential debate at Lynn University in Boca Raton, Fla., to launch a week-long attack on the faith of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

The mobile billboard ad, which will be propped up on a truck that will circle the university during the debate, is sponsored by American Atheists, the nation’s oldest atheist organization. “Shame on Mormonism,” the ad says. “No blacks allowed (Until 1978). No gays allowed.”

The sign references the church’s former ban on black members in the lay priesthood, its policy that gay members should remain celibate and its high-profile promotion and funding of anti-same sex marriage efforts.

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From 1977 to 1994, Romney served in several positions in the lay leadership of the church while living in Massachusetts, the highest being a stake president, akin to the leader of a Catholic diocese. Romney has spoken less extensively about his faith during this presidential run than during his failed primary bid four years ago, but has never said his church would have any control over his performance as a president.

“If I am fortunate to become your president, I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause, and no one interest,” Romney said when similar accusations were made about his religion during his field primary bid four years ago. On black priests, Romney said in 2008 that he was “anxious to see a change in my church” and cried with joy when the church lifted its ban. More recently, when a man at an April campaign event asked if Romney thought it was “a sin for a white man to marry and procreate with a black,” Romney replied with an emphatic “no.”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/Anglokraut Jacqueline Schumacher

    As an atheist, all I can really do is pinch the bridge of my nose and sigh.

    • nathan wartooth

      Being an atheist literally all of my life I see most other atheists as people who think that they are smarter and better than everyone just because they realized the most obvious lie was a falsehood. 

      Well good for you. 

      Now next on your agenda should be looking at all of the other big lies like multiculturalism and race denialism. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/Anglokraut Jacqueline Schumacher

        Are you speaking to me personally, or to atheists as a group? Just asking, because I’ve been posting on this site for almost eight years. I’ve got the race-realism thing pretty down, now.

        • nathan wartooth

          Nope, just speaking in generalities. 

          Just from my experience in real life and the internet. 

          • Sherman_McCoy

            Well, you both sound like atheists I’d like to have as friends.  There are WAY too many of the OTHER kind playing “Let’s ridicule Religion!”  When they are that fulminating about God, i tend to think that they “protest too much.”

          • http://www.facebook.com/Anglokraut Jacqueline Schumacher

            Well, I can relate to what you say. My own experiences with other atheists (I can’t really call them “fellows”, since they would beat me with clubs for my racial views) is that if you aren’t totally in everyone’s face with your atheism, you must therefore be a poser.

            I just like to scoff and say “Pfft! I was an atheist WAY before it was cool.”

      • MarcusTrajanus

         Exactly. It’s like all the skeptics going on and on about astrology, ghosts, bigfoot, homeopathy, etc, but never, ever taking on the equally silly concept of “equality”.

    • MarcusTrajanus

       As an atheist I can’t see how it’s my concern whom Mormons, Catholics, Satanists, or any other religion, cult, or sect will accept as a member, priest, etc.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Anglokraut Jacqueline Schumacher

        I don’t care on a personal level, but I do care on a Freedom-of-Association-level. It’s like seeing Desmond Tutu playing dress-up in his bishopric.

  • Francis Galton

    It seems that most atheists are Big-Government Statists and Knee-jerk Social Liberals.  Why atheists think logically in this one area while being completely idiotic in the economic/social/political realm is beyond me.  I think most atheists just adopt the label to appear trendy.  The overlap between atheists and racial realists has to be extremely small. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7RORAJVG7LJJZECDJIILHJBE7U So CAL Snowman

       I don’t think they are really atheists so much as Anti-Christian, Anti-Republican, Anti-American.

      • Puggg

        James Edwards notes the Jewishness of the leader of this atheist group.  Ironically, Jews think relatively highly of Mormons, somewhat higher than what they think of Muslims which in turn is twice as high as what they think of evangelical Christians.  I think the percents was 47% approval rating for Mormons, 40% for Muslims and 20% for evangelical Christians.  If Romney does relatively well among the Jewish vote, it will be because of Mormon.

        • The Worlds Scapegoat

           Mormons call non-Mormons Gentiles. They think they are part of Israel.

      • bluffcreek1967

        That’s very true So Cal Snowman! Having had my fair share of debates with atheists over the years, I have found most of them (at least the one’s I’ve dealt with) to be somewhat bitter people with an axe to grind against Christianity. They rail against evangelical Christians for their self-righteousness (somewhat justified at times), yet they are often quite self-righteous themselves. Some look down on others because they’re not as ‘enlightneded’ as they to see the foolishness in believing there is a God. They malign Christians because they’re not ‘open-minded’ to atheism, yet I have found a good many of them to not have bothered to seriously consider the intellectual works of Christian apologists and philosophers. There’s also a deep anti-American attitude that seems to prevail in their thinking. I stopped wasting my breath with them because all it did was generate heat with very little light.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Anglokraut Jacqueline Schumacher

      Aww, you just made me feel super special–and not a “short bus” kind of special :-)

    • bluffcreek1967

      Who says they think logically in either area?

  • Puggg

    Yes, the Mormon church still lets blacks in, but Mormons still must reject alcohol, tobacco, caffeine and premarital sex.  I can imagine that message resonating well in the ghettos.  Remember Brandon Davies?

  • http://twitter.com/baldowl baldowl

    I’ve noticed that the only people who proselytize more than pot-smokers are atheists.  They cannot shut up about something they profess to not believe in.

    • Puggg

      Atheism is just as much of a faith system as any religion.  The only real logical “religion” (not) is agnosticism, which is like checking “unsure” on life’s great survey.

      • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

        An atheist and agnostic are virtually identical. There’s no such thing as an atheist that doesn’t believe in anything. I’ve found that those new to atheism(a worldview without religious constraints) tend to be a little more vitriolic and brash. It’s like taking the training wheels off a child’s bike for the first time. Some kids go slowly and don’t push themselves, while other kids scream for you to watch them because can’t wait to show you what they can do, no matter how awkward they might be.

        The militant atheists really tend to be no different than the overbearing religious zealots. Both are generally products of their own character flaws, not necessarily a religious or not religious flaw.

      • Tim_in_Indiana

        I wouldn’t say that atheism is a religion. I would, however, say that race denial most certainly is, and being an atheist can leave a void that the religion of race denial quite often rushes in to fill, which is what we see in the case of the above story.

    • razorrare

      Let me get this straight…are you accusing the moderator of being a pot smoking atheist? ;)

      • http://www.amren.com/ Moderator

        I heard that, and yes, I know, I post too much.  Ideally none of us should be posting at all, but sometimes, we have to intervene.

        • razorrare

          Its not your posting i take offense too,its that biased trigger finger of yours that removes comments you consider to be proselytizing…if you censored  equally i would not protest. In a particular recent thread called “Will Blacks  Riot if Obama…” a certain moderator or moderators deleted at least 7 of my post…even though they were in response to those who made a comment to my post…

          • http://www.amren.com/ Moderator

            What you call “bias” I call “doing my job.”

      • http://twitter.com/baldowl baldowl

         Wait?  What?  LOL. 

    • bluffcreek1967

      That’s because atheists, in spite of their denials to the contrary, are just as ‘religious,’ zealous and militant for their cause as any evangelical Christian – maybe more?

      • MarcusTrajanus

         Really? I don’t see many atheists on the streets handing out atheist pamphlets, holding signs, and yelling to passersby about atheism (there are a few who do it, but mostly just as a joke or response to religious proselytizers). I do see many Christians doing such things (to be fair, the ones actually yelling are probably mental cases, and usually black). Most atheist just don’t believe in gods and we get on with our lives like everyone else , we only mention our atheism if it’s relevant to the conversation.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7RORAJVG7LJJZECDJIILHJBE7U So CAL Snowman

    Wait just a minute here, Atheists are complaining about the structure of a religious organization?  I guess someone forgot to tell them what being an Atheist is all about.

    • http://twitter.com/selebaster mike

      I’m Agnostic myself, but I find militant atheists to be some of the least likable people on earth. When it comes to religion I simply don’t give a damn what people do or follow, so long as it is not imposed on me. That said, I do believe some religions are obviously worse for society than others (i.e. Islam).

  • Enrichment Zone Warning

    During the GOP primaries, Morman commercials flooded the TV.   They showed the nappy wool headed voodoo Diversity and pasty White whimpy hipsters all proudly proclaiming their Mormanism.

    If Romney wins, all his appointments will look like the Mormans on TV, and he’ll do it saying he’s bringing about recovery by handing out jobs to those who best reflect the new America.

    Look for a massive influx of Muslims and Mexicans into the Morman church.

  • MerlinV

    Well, I’m not an atheist — the religion of fools. Trust me, I don’t see atheists as better than anyone. Stop calling things a “lie” unless you have proof. Atheists are about the smuggest critters I’ve ever laid eyes on.

    • MerlinV

      This comment was a reply to atheist Nathan. Put your proof up that there is no God. Lets see what you got.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

        The burden of proof lies on those who make unfalsafiable claims, not on those who deny them. Show me some proof that the Flying Spaggeti Monster doesn’t exist?

        • MerlinV

          Hello Darwin. Are you ever going to trim your beard? The “Flying Spaggeti Monster?” I assume you meant spaghetti?

          Spaghetti is a food not a monster. Food does not fly. Therefore I will conclude that you made that up out of an attitude of sarcasm and that it is false.

          Now I have a question for you. As Aldous Huxley defined it, evolution involves a continual increase of order, of organization, of size, of complexity. However, the Second Law of Thermodynamics states that everything moves toward disorder or a condition known as entropy. All things left to themselves will run down. For example, if water being heated on a stove is at 150 degrees Fahrenheit, and the burner is turned off, the temperature will drop instead of rise. It will move toward colder rather than hotter. If a ball is placed on a hill, it will always roll downhill and not uphill. Energy used to perform any particular task changes from usable energy to unusable in the performing of that task.

          My question then is how does your theory of evolution accomodate the second law of thermodynamics?

          • nathan wartooth

            The two have nothing in common. It doesn’t have to accommodate it because the two aren’t related at all. It’s like saying that constructing a sentence should be impossible because everything is headed towards entropy. 
            Also evolution is only a theory in the strictest sense of the word. 

            Race realism and religion is an odd mix. You don’t believe in the science of evolution, yet you believe in the science behind race realism?

            Just become a creationist. Then you can believe in evolution and God at the same time. Much easier. 

          • FourFooted_Messiah

             The Earth is NOT a closed system, and has a constant energy source – the sun.  Things can “go uphill” if energy is put into it – that’s why water pumps work.

      • Germanacus

        Atheism: The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

        Makes perfect sense.

        In all seriousness though. I say let people believe as they wish. I do agree with you though when someone presumes to know all truth such that they claim a belief in God is founded on lies.

  • MerlinV

    This comment was a reply to atheist Nathan. Put your proof up that there is no God. Lets see what you got.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Anglokraut Jacqueline Schumacher

      The burden of an argument is on the person who claims that something IS.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3ZIVXWHQ47HZVMPKXYOTMLGK7Y .

    There were a number of comments discussing religion and atheism that weren’t specifically related to this article. So I’ll add my 2 cents to the fray.

    I’m an agnostic who is very much pro religion. That may sound contradictory but its not. I’m agnostic because I don’t believe in the supernatural. But I’m also pro religion because I recognize the many benefits religion provides for individuals and society whether the supernatural basis of their religion is true or not.

    The reason I refer to myself as agnostic rather than atheist is because too many atheists are militantly anti religion and I don’t want to be associated with that. Religion is fine with me and I have no objection to it playing a larger role in society.

  • robinbishop34

    Well… this thread is going nowhere fast.

    • Sherman_McCoy

      Yup,  I expect the moderator to have a busy morning . . .

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    I think most Jews, like most people, despise mawkish patronization and despise being stalked.  This is why all the “Pro-Israel smoochery” from the John Hagee types repulse most Jews.  Philo-Semitism is a form of stalking.

    That and the aforementioned “smoochery” as well as Muslims being very hostile toward Jews is no more than a century old.  Historically, the paradigm has been the other way around:  Christians were mostly hostile toward Jews and Jews and Muslims got along well.

    I think Jews and Mormons have good relations because they’re alike in a lot of ways, sociologically speaking, historically (even if not presently) oppressed and persecuted religious minorities deemed “weird” who plowed ahead in spite of that because of reasonably high intelligence plus an economic drive plus engaging in a micro form of “national socialism” (for the lack of a better description), taking care of their weak own and nurturing their strong own.  Maybe that’s something we ought to look into.

    • robinbishop34

      who plowed ahead in spite of that because of reasonably high intelligence plus an economic drive plus engaging in a micro form of “national socialism” (for the lack of a better description), taking care of their weak own and nurturing their strong own.

      “Group Evolutionary Strategy”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LVLO4JE5T2UU76PRBNJK4LD7QU John

    But they have no problem with Obama’s protestantism. This is the religion of most of the slaveholders and has been the historical American(read, intolerant bigot) religion.

    • Sherman_McCoy

      Er, I sorta think that Obama’s religion is far worse than that.  It’s some sort of African-Identity Church of Christ amalgamation.  Jesus is probably black, um. and so is God, and we’re all white devils.  Probably has more in common with the Nation of Islam than it does with orthodox Christianity.

      But to your point about protestantism, might I suggest a study of Murray Rothbard’s excellent writings on the monetary history of the United States and the fundamental role of the various forms of Protestant and Catholic Christianity in it’s development? Fascinating stuff. You don’t have to believe to see that believers mixed religion into whatever they did back then.

  • Carney3

    Don’t O-Apostrophe Obama.  He’s not Irish.  We have enough to live down with Ted Kennedy.

  • Sherman_McCoy

    Before the moderator pulls (yet another one of) my posts, I have to confess that I just don’t get the viewpoint of (what appear to me to be most) atheists, that we are on the planet as a product of evolution, while at the same time professing the equality of all humans.  That seems to me to be a more logical position for creationists to take.  As a creationist myself, I have to jump through all sorts of mental gymnastics when cogitating over the origin of the (obviously) less-evolved.  My religious beliefs are constantly at war with racial realist facts.  If the Negro does not provide us with the closest thing to a missing link extant, then I do not know what does.

    That’s why a real atheist who is true to his or her beliefs and does not ignore the obvious is someone I’d be pleased to know and chat with.  Who knows, someone who doesn’t ridicule my beliefs and is decent and friendly to me has a way better chance of convincing me of their point of view than do the vehemently anti-religionists.

    To my co-religionists who have accepted the old theory (including the early Mormons) that blacks are the cursed offspring of Ham, my study of the scriptures just doesn’t support that.  No, any honest look at the available evidence shows them to be something closer to the apes (or some other ancient ancestor) than are whites.

    An to the moderator, I wish you a lovely day as you (probably rightly) pull this.

    • JohnEngelman

      Secular liberals use the considerable evidence in favor of evolution as a stick to beat Protestant Fundamentalists with. Then they ignore the obvious implications of the theory of evolution to argue that a good environment can create people who perform and behave well. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1097611607 Robert Griffith

       I am one such atheist. I am culturally a Christian. My wife is a Maronite Christian, as are my two daughters. We have wonderful Christmas holidays, we paint Easter eggs (I know originally a pagan custom) and partake in many other Christian traditions.

      • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

         Surprise, surprise! My views would be have me labeled a “secular liberal,” and most of the people with whom I can be blunt and honest about my racial opinions just so happen to be… wait for it….. secular liberals. In fact, the people who have given me the most resistance and negative feedback are Christians. I personally no very, very few Christians who will disregard their religious fetishes and superstitions to make room for a worldview that just might not have room for mantras that are all inclusive.

        Thomas Paine… Thomas Jefferson….. their views compared to the majority views of their time would make them…. wait for it….. Secular Liberals. They were Deists, and Deism was and is a stark contrast to the orthodoxy and dogmas of Christianity. Deism, with its high regard for observation of the natural world, is probably much more compatible with atheism/agnosticism/Buddhism than it is orthodox Christianity.

        People just have a hard time accepting the fact that a jerk who happens to be a secular liberal will more than likely be the same jerk if suddenly dropped into the body/mind of a creationist.

      • bluffcreek1967

        I appreciated your post, but I just wanted to say that there’s nothing in either the Old or New Testaments which states that “all men are created equal.” There’s nothing that even hints at such a suggestion. Yes, all humans are created in the image of God, but that’s not the same as saying all humans are equal. TheBible suggests that humans have a wide range of differences, socially and morally. The Bible never presents people as having the same opportunities, wealth, living conditions, intelligence or anything of the sort. So, when Christians say things like all men are created equal, they are actually misrepresenting the Bible’s own teaching in this area. The real issue is not whether all men are created equal, but whether people are conducting themselves morally and responsibly with whatever qualities they do possess – for to whom much is given, much is required.

    • FourFooted_Messiah

      I don’t understand it either.  That type of so-called Darwinists are no different to me than Special Creationists; they both insist that evolution somehow stopped in humans at some point in the past and no longer works on us, which really isn’t any different than SCs saying that everything BUT HUMANS are the product of evolution.  What magical act stopped evolution from working on us, and when did that magical act happen?  Oh, we have technology?  Then we evolve to depend more and more on that technology.

      Why are there so many people around with bad eyes (like myself), millions of allergies, asthma, and other problems?  Because technology keeps us alive when otherwise we would have died young.   First world humans are becoming physically weaker, but are very good at managing technology.  Should Western civilization collapse, there will a MASSIVE dieback of humans all over the world – even low-tech societies like those in Africa depend on our handouts for their suvival, handouts that can only exist in a high-tech society with surpluses.  The survivors of such a die-back will likely be the ones who are physically fit, pragmatic rather than philosophical, and probably not as social as most humans today seem to be (look at the way people cram themselves together, cheek by jowl, and don’t seem to mind such crowding at all.  I’ve even seen people get weirdly upset and throw the “anti-social” tag at folks who admit they prefer to solo in MMORPGs.) 

      I guess it’s just that ol’ human ego again; humans must somehow maintain their sense of specialness that drives people who claim to have “scientific minds” to practically parrot the religious types.

    • k8

       I know this goes against what this website is all about, but I don’t actually believe that African people are ape-like. I think, even though they act the way they do, that they have the same capacity for self-sacrifice and love that the rest of us do. It’s just that their cultures and religions are severely messed up, and they haven’t figured out how to live in civilized society yet. I remember reading about a boy who built a wind turbine out of trash in Ghana, and his father, while holding some strange beliefs in magic, shared what little food he had with strangers during a horrible famine. I obviously don’t believe than moving them all to white countries will help the situation at all, but I think if we leave them alone,  certain Africans will learn to work together, form armies and resist the savage bullies (which is how all civilizations get started).  I’m also a creationist, and I do believe that God has a plan, and a timeline for every civilization. I don’t see why it’s such a big deal that some races are slower than others to develop civilization.

      • Sherman_McCoy

        Thanks for your reply.  Actually, my beliefs are not really what this website is all about.  As a victim of black criminal behavior several times in the past, I am perhaps more vocal in my disgust of them.  Perhaps more infuriating to me is the predominate cultural  pressure to ignore all racial differences, and to blame white people for the failures and criminal activities of blacks.

        Certainly there are outliers, and no one would claim that all African blacks have an IQ of 70, only that it is the average.  

        If we were indeed to “leave them alone” and throw no more money down that toilet, and to send the blacks we have back to whence their forbearers came, there would be no need for this site, nor for my opinions.

        If you are a creationist, why do you think then would God create such a useless creature as the African?  I personally don’t think that He did, but that the second law of thermodynamics would tend to support the theory of devolution, and mutations.

        This is all conjecture of course, and you are more than welcome to opine here any time you wish.

        http://whitelocust.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/monkeyman.jpg

  • Spartan24708

    I recently moved from Utah and from what I saw the LDS church seemed to invite people from all over the world. A common origin seemed to be Samoa or Tonga and there was a large population of Pacific Islanders in Salt Lake City. I guess church and government welfare trump tropical weather and they tend to deal pretty well with Utah’s harsh winters.

  • razorrare

    Atheists with a conscience,despite their denials,are aware that God exists…they simply desire to travel on lifes roads with the least resistance to what their darkened hearts desire without consequences.Its futile of course,because they are unable to suppress their conscience(soul).

    • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

       The concept of God as an eternal singularity is something that only a fool can pretend to comprehend.

      Never occupies the same space and time as forever. Let me know when you’ve come to terms with this small nugget of spatial reasoning, and I’ll then try and guide you a little further down the path.

      • razorrare

        Spatial reasoning… Um,i am quite capable of navigating my own path…i am more interested in the spiritual or invisible heaven which a plurality of others have witnessed  through premonitions, near death experiences and other related spiritual occurrences…i will leave the star gazing/astronomy to people of your inclination who might study such…

        • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

          I’ve had plenty of premonitions, near death experiences and spiritual occurrences. They just call those dreams and hallucinations where I come from. You see, we’re not all that different.

          • razorrare

            Oh,yes…you can say we are not all that differant,but my observation is your thoughts on a creator are  similiar to what the jews believed…They believe in a God but not the divinity of Christ…and most of them are ashkenazi jews-fake jews-proto-turk mongoloids-Zionist-Khazars…Constructive or Critical deitism that disregards testimony from literally millions of people who have experienced near death experiences and other spiritual  occurrences as being dreamlike or hallucinations in all seriousness  is exactly why Deitism  has no ligitimacy for people with reasonable minds.

  • http://twitter.com/baldowl baldowl

     Smoking pot.  In my experience, it’s all they talk about, and they’re not happy until everyone is doing it.  Maybe that’s not you, Tim, and if it’s not you I beg your pardon.

  • robinbishop34

    What this thread really tells us is that atheists, diests, nominal Christians, C and E Christians, devout Christians, creationists, Darwinists, agnostics, and secular Jews all agree that multiculturalism and diversity is suicidal for whites.

    • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

       Yep. That’s why religious zeal or anti-religious angst should never impose itself on the present and dire situation that multiculturalism and one-world globalism are doing to our communities. The present is what binds us, and I really don’t care what someone believes or doesn’t believe about a linear universe. I can’t prove or disprove the notion that a giant beetle is the creator of all creators, but I can certainly prove that black people destroy communities.

      • razorrare

        The problem with most black people is they lack a  conscience.No conscience…no soul.God more likely rejected them before he created them.

        • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

           So your idea of perfection just so happens to create some junk from time to time?

      • razorrare

        well,to appreciate Gods finer works…like White people…he creates junk from time to time…God is thee creator of all things…good & evil…his greatest junk masterpiece was Satan…where all trials & tribulations arise from…i suppose God thought it necessary for free will to exist…looks like the biased monitor has deemed some of our posts as “junk.” but what the h**l does he know… ;)

    • razorrare

      What this thread shows me is that secular liberal univeralistic views that contribute to the genocide of  White Western Civilization and its People(whether concious or not concious)is predominant. My White God born in a manger in Bethlehem is a provincial God and those Whites who have not lost their White identity or spirit through universalist teachings, agree.

  • razorrare

    Jared…retain the first shift moderator…fire the second shift moderator.

  • Sherman_McCoy

    You’ll do just fine.  I wouldn’t expect for you to have any use for scripture.  It’s something Christians argue about.

    As I have been yanked more than a few times myself, I feel ya’.

  • Persephone Grey

    It is not a capacity for love and sympathy that sets us apart from the beasts. Lots of animals display those qualities, so you can’t use that as evidence of humanity.

  • The Worlds Scapegoat
  • razorrare

    You an the biased moderator that keeps deleting my post can go F yourselves

  • razorrare

    Again,F you and the biased anti-Christ moderator whom deletes my posts but allows atheists,diests,darwinists,secular jews,and any other less Christ proselytizing belief to stand.Movements shall be known by the fruits they bear…the double standards that are excercised by the moderator/moderators makes it painfully clear the Amren philosophy dosent leave much to be desired.Without passion for the Love of Christ as Lord & Saviour your battles are futile and will only end in defeat.

    • http://www.amren.com/ Moderator

      I’m going to leave this one up for awhile, just so everyone can see why we must delete a lot of your posts.

  • razorrare

    Its secular liberal universalism that has poisoned traditional/provincial european Christianity that needs to be purged from organized Christianity.If you are unable to recognize the connection between declining Western Culture & Christianity and its enemies who promote its genocide/destruction then you are not seeing clearly and are in need of instruction…

    All have sinned–Christ died for our sins…you accuse me of proselytizing and yet i have only been responding to other readers comments directly to me in which a biased moderator has removed my comments in direct response to theirs…those comments of mine were civil–did not include the F word–and were no more “proselytizing” in nature to those readers who welcomed themselves  in my space…like i am now doing with you and fully expect this reply to you,like others will be removed as well. Show me in this thread where i initiated  a response from another poster by making a (reply comment) to their posting.You cant–nor can the biased moderator.This biased moderator removed my responses to a poster called Celestial Time which were totally civil but obviously didnt agree with his or her particular ideolgy or facts he would not wish known…unlike other posters here i will not brown-nose the biased censoring moderator so he or she will be more tolerant of my post…It is what it is…

    I love my Savior and can not thank him enough for the soul he has granted me and my race and those wonderful things called hope,faith,love,charity,and mercy…those emotions which are severely lacking in any other race,especially blacks.

    Pity has its place but so too does justified anger…what you call malice i call passion.

    The question you should be asking…why dosent the biased censoring moderator heed the message  written at the top of this page by Thomas Jefferson instead of worshipping his Master, Jared Taylor…

    • http://www.amren.com/ Moderator

      Because our boss is Jared Taylor, not Thomas Jefferson.

  • razorrare

    Its secular liberal universalism that has poisoned traditional/provincial european Christianity that needs to be purged from organized Christianity.If you are unable to recognize the connection between declining Western Culture & Christianity and its enemies who promote its genocide/destruction then you are not seeing clearly and are in need of instruction…
    All have sinned–Christ died for our sins…you accuse me of proselytizing and yet i have only been responding to other readers comments directly to me in which a biased moderator has removed my comments in direct response to theirs…those comments of mine were civil–did not include the F word–and were no more “proselytizing” in nature to those readers who welcomed themselves in my space…like i am now doing with you and fully expect this reply to you,like others will be removed as well. Show me in this thread where i initiated a response from another poster by making a (reply comment) to their posting.You cant–nor can the biased moderator.This biased moderator removed my responses to a poster called Celestial Time which were totally civil but obviously didnt agree with his or her particular ideolgy or facts he would not wish known…unlike other posters here i will not brown-nose the biased censoring moderator so he or she will be more tolerant of my post…It is what it is…
    I love my Savior and can not thank him enough for the soul he has granted me and my race and those wonderful things called hope,faith,love,charity,and mercy…those emotions which are severely lacking in any other race,especially blacks.
    Pity has its place but so too does justified anger…what you call malice i call passion.
    The question you should be asking…why dosent the biased censoring moderator heed the message written at the top of this page by Thomas Jefferson instead of worshipping his Master, Jared Taylor…

    • razorrare

      Wow moderator,that was deep…hahaha

  • razorrare

    Its secular liberal universalism that has poisoned traditional/provincial european Christianity that needs to be purged from organized Christianity.If you are unable to recognize the connection between declining Western Culture & Christianity and its enemies who promote its genocide/destruction then you are not seeing clearly and are in need of instruction…
    All have sinned–Christ died for our sins…you accuse me of proselytizing and yet i have only been responding to other readers comments directly to me in which a biased moderator has removed my comments in direct response to theirs…those comments of mine were civil–did not include the F word–and were no more “proselytizing” in nature to those readers who welcomed themselves in my space…like i am now doing with you and fully expect this reply to you,like others will be removed as well. Show me in this thread where i initiated a response from another poster by making a (reply comment) to their posting.You cant–nor can the biased moderator.This biased moderator removed my responses to a poster called Celestial Time which were totally civil but obviously didnt agree with his or her particular ideolgy or facts he would not wish known…unlike other posters here i will not brown-nose the biased censoring moderator so he or she will be more tolerant of my post…It is what it is…
    I love my Savior and can not thank him enough for the soul he has granted me and my race and those wonderful things called hope,faith,love,charity,and mercy…those emotions which are severely lacking in any other race,especially blacks.
    Pity has its place but so too does justified anger…what you call malice i call passion.
    The question you should be asking…why dosent the biased censoring moderator heed the message written at the top of this page by Thomas Jefferson instead of worshipping his Master, Jared Taylor…