Southern Baptists Elect Fred Luter as First Black President

Adelle M. Banks, Washington Post, June 19, 2012

Pointing heavenward and wiping away tears, the Rev. Fred Luter was elected Tuesday (June 19) as the first black president of the predominantly white Southern Baptist Convention.

“To God be the glory for the things that he has done,” Luter said moments after more than 7,000 Southern Baptists leapt to their feet, cheered and shouted “Hallelujah” when he was declared their next leader.

Luter, 55, a former street preacher who brought his mostly black New Orleans congregation back from near annihilation after Hurricane Katrina in 2005, will lead the nation’s largest Protestant denomination for at least a year when the two-day meeting ends Wednesday. Most Southern Baptist presidents traditionally serve two one-year terms.

Rather than rally behind a traditional white conservative candidate, white Southern Baptists leaders had urged the nomination and election of Luter for more than a year. Many said it was long time for such a move for a denomination that was born in 1845 in defense of slavery.

“We have the opportunity to make history, to show a watching world the truth about our savior and ourselves,” the Rev. David Crosby, pastor of the mostly white First Baptist Church of New Orleans, said in his nomination of Luter on Tuesday. “Let’s give our ballots a voice and shout out to the world—Jesus is Lord! This is our president! We are Southern Baptists!”

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Members of black Southern Baptist churches—which make up about 8 percent of some the SBC’s 45,000 congregations—have hailed the expected election. Some said they were shocked and never thought they’d live to see such an occurrence.

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In the months before the election, SBC ethicist Richard Land was embroiled in controversy for saying President Obama and civil rights leaders had exploited the case of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed Florida teen who was killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer. Land, who was reprimanded and lost his radio talk show as a result of the racial tension his remarks caused, was among those immediately cheering Luter’s election.

“Today was as truly a historic moment as Southern Baptist life will ever experience,” said Land, who helped craft the denomination’s 1995 statement apologizing for the “deplorable sin” of racism. “Praise God for his redeeming grace.”

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Luter closed out the annual pastors’ conference on the eve of the Southern Baptist meeting, and had the audience on its feet as he waved his Bible in a fervent sermon.

“Only the Word of God can change the heart of a racist; only the Word of God can change the desire of a child molester,” he preached. “The Word of God can change a lifestyle of a homosexual. The Word of God is the only hope for America today.”

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Many have tied Luter’s election to the need for greater evangelism among racial and ethnic minorities as the denomination suffered its fifth consecutive year of membership decline.

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  • Francis Galton

    Yet more evidence that Whites of ALL political and religious persuasions will do ANYTHING within their power to show how “inclusive” and “tolerant” they are.  It’s sickening….

    • JohnEngelman

      What this means is that there is no future in the United States for a religious or political movement that is overtly anti black. A movement can be anti crime, anti promiscuity, anti illegitimacy, but not anti black. 

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        A movement can be anti crime, anti promiscuity, anti illegitimacy, but not anti black.

        My brain just blue screened.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jean-Deux/1540915347 Jean Deux

    Whites have to abandon religion  if they want to save their race and country. That blacks embrace religion should tell you that it is not for whites.

    • IstvanIN

      They go to church to hoot and holler and meet sex partners (or molest younger parishioners). They are not practicing Christians in any meaningful sense.

      • Sherman_McCoy

        Exactly correct.  This is why I refuse to fellowship with Bantus.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         Read up on the history of Christianity.  When did it ever, and what is IT really?

      • refocus

         The local non denominational churchanity place spends money bringing in black boy musicians who ultimately get with the prettiest white girls.

  • radical7

    This is progress in the right direction.

  • ncpride

    I totally agree. And this coming from the granddaughter of an ordained Baptist Minister.

  • xxxtonygunsxxx

    i thought the garbage bill clinton disgraced the white house but   barf ovomit has taken it to a whole new level with homosexuals giving the finger to Regan’s portrait. typical pigressive trash. the homosexual community has lowered itself to the level of this disgraceful clown. sickening. i wonder if michael will mention this tonight. probably.

    • IstvanIN

      And this well written reply has what to do with the topic?

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     If you think this of Barak H. Obama, I know of a perfect shop to fine tune  your tin foil hat-receptor.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/AKAY5CJ6NMQVMUPJCGUWJKSLQQ Peppermint

      obvious snark is obvious.  Though those aren’t the world I would have chosen.  Valor and honor and self-sacrifice are our words.  Use their words.  Intelligent thoughtful nuanced articulate unconventional tolerant beautiful diverse positive forward-thinking progressive… black PotUS, Barack Hussein Obama Jr, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         I go with the notion of white valor and honor, but “self-sacrifice” is ridden self-destructive, Christian psychology that tells the adherent to be crucified like Jesus, and this is how whites have been made to give their world, their very best away, over and over.  The institution of Christianity and all it can lord power over wins, but not whites.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     I agree and have been writing on the problems of Christianity and white or any race realism because ALL Christian scripture goes decidedly against the notion.  It also has gained in actual practice until now, we see that even the Southern Baptists who split with the North over slavery in the 19th century have gone to the opposite extreme; more abolitionist than any this side of John Brown.

    I am not only a race realist, but a REALIST period.  Therefore, I don’t take any superstition and/or mythology seriously or as fact.  I do however, feel that spiritually whites need more than the starkness of unbelief for spiritual sustenance.  This is why I have found pre-Christian European spirituality a good spiritual home.  Whites need mythical and legendary figures to rally them and Odin and Thor are great ones.  Celtic spirituality weds us to the land in a natural way, using solar events as measures and annual life milestones.  These outlooks held ancestry high and so genealogy and ancestor “worship” turns out to serve as another advantage for whites; if you are proud of your ancestors, you will not want to destroy your own line.

    There is more to this, but this is the general idea.  Christianity seeks to own the individual for the benefit of what turns out to be an old idea of universal EARTHLY empire, where no individual distinctions are allowed to exist.  They way it is done through Christianity is very obviously blatant in my view, but it was established when people could be forced to practice what the leaders wished.  This is why I believe that throwing off the old yoke of Christianity is an important part of saving the white race, and we won’t succeed if we fail to succeed in doing that.

    • jj astor

      Even though I’m agnostic, I have to agree with “foremerly known as whiteplight.” Most people yearn for some sort of spirituality in their lives;  it might even have a biological basis. Once ancient man could understand the realitity of life and death and the world around him he probably turned to the idea of supernatural forces for psychological sustenance. To suddenly expect humans to eschew religion when it’s been a part of their existance for thousands of years might not be realistic. Maybe pre-Chrsitian paganism is the way for us to go, I don’t know.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ran-Kelvin/100000674993311 Ran Kelvin

    Question:  What is left of Traditional America to corrupt?

    Answer:     Nothing.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryMundersen Harry Mundersen

    Whites are just going to have to decide, do you want to be White or Christian?

    I have chosen Race over Grace!!!

    • Sloppo

      Why should anyone have to make that kind of choice?  My grandfather and my ancestors before him seemed to have some understanding of the importance of racial separation and they were Christian.  I believe the problem is that we have allowed Christianity to become subservient to the Religion of Political Correctness.  The Bible actually warns us about the people who are promoting multiculturalism/political correctness to destroy western civilization and make a one-world government possible.  

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/AKAY5CJ6NMQVMUPJCGUWJKSLQQ Peppermint

      That’s a false choice.  For pretty much the last thousand years, Christianity has been the religion of white people.  Just because some heretics believe in this kind of blasphemy doesn’t take anything away from the ancient Christendom.  Christians have always had to fight heresy, so this new push for putting cultural marxist views in the mouth of God is nothing new.  Similarly, a few days ago there was an article about how America has always faced treason in the Senate.  Find a denomination that holds out against blasphemy.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         Early Christian leaders invented the notion of heresy so that they could dominate over other Christian leaders with slightly different ideas, none of which were any more valid than the other.  The most devious and murderous won, and then set to torturing Europe until now, people like you can’t even question the mythological nonsense they teach to you as a fact.  It takes a great deal of intelligence and WHITENESS to overcome all that brainwashing.  So, I challenge you to question this nonsense and invalid historical recollection you portray here.

        • http://seradly.blogspot.com/ REGVLVS

          Heresy is untrue, mate. Yeah, truth is always more valid than gnostic bulls**t.

          I was never brainwashed by a church that I hardly attended besides on Christmas and Easter. I slept even in those services anyway. I found the truth on my own. My people exist and have thrived through the acts and love of God. When they started rejecting him, they declined, and their churches were taken over by atheists and satanists posing as Christians. As was said would happen.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

             Another self-made prophet.  Tell me about your god’s love.  If we are to judge that tree by its historical fruit, then he is no different from the Satan your belief system promotes and could not exist without.

            Every nomianist Christian I meet thinks THEY know how to interpret the Bible better than anyone else, and it all fits with their preconceived ideas and desires. 

    • http://seradly.blogspot.com/ REGVLVS

       Good for you, but I still choose both because the survival and final victory of the European is what God wants.

      Anti-whites are, very simply, the agents of Satan from the synagogs of Satan.

  • http://www.newnation.org/ sbuffalonative

    Once you go black, you’re not allowed to go back.

  • xxxtonygunsxxx

    BLACK WOMAN BEAT DOWN OF WHIT MAN ON PHILLY BUS…… FUNNY VIDEO THOUGH
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J77mqICiQkk

  • radical7

    Finally a step in the right direction.

  • Sloppo

    “Many have tied Luter’s election to the need for greater evangelism among racial and ethnic minorities as the denomination suffered its fifth consecutive year of membership decline.”

    I wonder if the SBC membership might decline more now because of people who aren’t spiritually comfortable with racially-motivated political pandering in their church leadership.

  • ageofknowledge

    Not too far will be a homosexual one… watch.

    • jeffaral

      I bet the next one will be a black lesbian.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

    It is impossible to discuss religion- and especially Christianity in its various forms- & to remain dispassionate. There are so many angles- ethnic-traditional, cultural, psychological, intellectual, emotional, historical, social,…. Full spectrum, from hard-core atheists to religious fanatics- they all have some part of  truth (elephant in the dark story).

    But, from my experience & much more:

    * modern world is not particularly “friendly” towards any religion. Statistically, non-religious people are more educated & affluent -and childless. Without sometimes annoying religious constraints & dogmas, most people will not turn into amoral psychopaths, but into hedonistic desperados, waiting their own extinction in the twilight-of-gods atmosphere. I know happy atheists- heck, a part of myself is atheistic- but as a rule, materialistic oriented existences are self-defeating, especially when you got millions of people living “life is short ” lives.

    * religionists are, on the other hand, frequently aggressive & narrow minded. White religionists tend to be fertile- good thing. Non-White, the majority, also- from my perspective, not good. In past 50-100 yrs most of the technical progress came from atheists or agnostics (although many of the greatest minds have been religious, but I’m talking about greats, not the greatest). When hard version of religion rules- Islam, Christianity in Africa or Asia, Hinduism,…. say goodbye to progress & better life.

    * Christianity has been a European religion- to deny this is to be clueless about history. But, for some centuries it’s a world religion no. 1., & I don’t see how White Europeans and their descendants can both remain Christians & avoid being swamped by non-White peoples who are also Christians. Christianity is universalistic & it cannot be reduced to ethnic religions like Sikhism, Judaism or various variants of Hinduism.

    Personally- I don’t know what is to be done. To ditch Christianity is impossible- almost all high European culture in past 15 centuries is Christian (paganism is assimilated into Christianity- just look at Titian or Shakespeare). To retain it, in full, is a form of prolonged suicide- I cannot imagine modern crusaders.

    Of course, orthodox believers don’t have such dilemmas.

    • http://seradly.blogspot.com/ REGVLVS

      It is simple for me: the Christian God is universal because He is the Creator of everything. The creator of the universe is necessarily universal!

      Chief amongst all creation is the European race, whom He chose to bring His law to the world. “In hoc signo vinces”.

      How can we avoid being swamped? Those Christians from other races should be sent home with guns in their hands and be told to do God’s work. We are all part of God’s plan… when nonwhite Christians come to European lands, it is because they are screwing up. Our role is not to give them amnesty, but orders.

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    For a long time, the Southern Baptists had a reputation as a “white racist” church, so much so that I know people that quit their family’s long time High Church (eg Catholic, High Protestant) denominations and become SBs because they thought it was the “racist” thing to do.  But when they got there, they found out that SB churches really weren’t racial at all.  Even in the 1950s, SB churches in St. Louis were starting to spew the “We Are the World” nonsense.

    Putting a black in charge of the SBC is not a sudden change for that denomination, it is the end result of many decades of “change.”

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     Sorry, but Christianity IS the problem.  One reason is that it seeks to be all inclusive by scriptural declaration and order.  The problem with it is its incoherent, contradictory babble that is a mind virus in itself.  Complete separation from it is what the white who wishes to survive and be mentally healthy requires.

    • Sheila Dinehart

      That is a very interesting comment and could be right or wrong…Christianity has kept the blacks in America from being savage, so has some forms of Islam and Black Islam to a degree, but you couldn’t have Islam without Christianity…the man Jesus preached the first communist doctrine…love, forgiveness, do unto others, give all your worldly possessions to the poor (redistribution of wealth), etc.  It is a good thing Christianity was around an foisted upon the African slaves in America…otherwise they would have all been slaughtered long long ago…Poor Nat Turner didn’t have such good luck, in the end, with the way he practiced his Christianity…ha!

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         Once Christianity got itself well established, the more charitable sides become dominant, especially after the advent of the 18th century Age of Reason movement.  It was no longer so easy to hang or burn “witches” and heretics as secular law came to the fore.  Also, of course, Christianity was used to control savages, as much as to exploit them.

        Your comment about Christianity being the first true communist movement is perhaps truer than you know.  Or perhaps you have read the history of the church thoroughly enough to know that the panic of the dividing Roman Empire made many convert, including many wealthy, who believed literally that they must give all away to enter the “kingdom.”  The church then redistributed that wealth to the poor converts, who soon arrive in droves to take advantage of the first welfare system on earth.  It was only much later that the RCC built walls and began to collect from the masses and conserve the redistribution to members of its own clergy, holding sin, hell, and death over the heads of the ignorant in order to extort in the name of their god.

        I’ve toured monasteries and nunneries in Europe where fetuses filled the hollow spaced between walls.  Those nun’s habits were billowy for a reason.  And the heaven for homosexuals was well established by the early Middle Ages.

        If you or any reader here has read Emberto Ecco’s “Name of the Rose,” or even seen the excellent film in the same name (Sean Connery), you can get a feel of the state of things in the early Medieval period and the sort of superstition and fear that fed continued ignorance and terrible suffering of white Europeans of that time and far too much longer after.

        All the history of the early Church is available in Edward Gibbon’s classic history,  “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.”  I recommend it to anyone who desires a solid foundation in European history.  Historical comments, opinions made without that are sure to be either only partially informed, or completely misinformed.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     Nice to see you back.  It’s been a while.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     Christianity never had white roots.  It came from the Middle East via semetic religious culture and has poisoned and punished Europe and whites ever since it arrived.  A read of Gibbon (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire) on the subject ought to make this plain.

    • http://seradly.blogspot.com/ REGVLVS

      Are you a troll or something? The Roman Empire survived until 1453 thanks to Christianity, through the works of the always victorious Emperor-Saint Constantine.

      If your pagan gods were so good, why’d the pagans not win?

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         I’ve been posting here for seven years.  You’re the newbie.  You have a skewed iinterpretation of historiy

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         You probably won’t have the intellect or discipline to read this, but I challenge you and anyone else who wants to know the historical TRUTH.

        You, like most Christians are woefully ignorant of how Christianity was created.  Paul (really a Jew named Saul) first combined Greek Polytheistic  forms with patriarchal Judaism, using a small Jewish sect’s hero tale for it’s savior.  (Jesus Christ is Greek, not Aramaic or Hebrew).  The original Greek (and all pagan) savior was the sun god, which existed in most pagan forms.  He even admits he stole it and lies about it in his own letters in the NT.  Then, in Rome Mithraism and Sol Invictus religions were used for holidays; Mary merely represents the Mother Goddess that gave birth to the “sun” that brings spring every year, hence “Mother of God.”  That Christianity is full of previously existing pagan form is well known among true historians on the subject.  It was done for expediency and to gain political control.  More over, Christianity sanctifies cannibalism as a ritual form.  One eats the flesh and drinks the blood of Jesus who supposedly depicts himself as “the lamb of God,” a god not finished with human sacrifice (as in the Abraham and Issac fable).

        The birth of the Sun God Mithra was December 25, or the Winter Solstice that had long before been regarded and IS the new birth of the earth, where seasons and agriculture was concerned.  That reliance on these events was important to people (and still ought to be), is how and why Paul and the Church usurped pagan forms in order to make converts comfortable.  The construct of having Jesus born in place of Mithra is well known as a ploy to supplant Mithra and many other male gods that are always born on the Winter Solstice and brings hope for another year.  In Eastern Orthodox icons the halo is clearly the same sun that can be seen behind previous icons of Apollo, where the Roman Catholic form modified it out of a need to differentiate itself from the Byzantine form, and was likely a bit self-conscious of its evidence for usurpation.  When the Cathedrals were built, the architects invented the Gothic arch to replicate the Sacred Oak Groves that pagans had used for thousands of years for worship.  Those churches are full of stone reliefs of pagan forms, especially the well known “Green Man.”  I have an illustrated book on this aspect alone, and I have seen these forms all over Europe in person.

        The RCC, when it comes down to it, doesn’t really argue these points; they admit it.  “Catholic” means UNIVERSAL.  They combined it all to come up with something that could be used to envelop the most people everywhere.  Eventually policy became, “Those who could not be converted by “reason” must be forced by the rod.”  This notion grew along with the intolerance of “heresy,” until it finally culminated in the 13th century Albigensian Crusade, which gave a start to the Dominican Inquisitors who ran amok in Europe for centuries, torturing and killing white people for the least accusation.  This gave rise to a branch of persecutions usually referred to as the witch trials.  It was actually an industry that destroyed whole villages since the Inquisitors and executioners split the goods of its victims.  Ref:  The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, Robbins.

        The blatant butchery of the Albigensian Crusade in Europe combined with the outrageous suppression of the Knight’s Templar in a power and wealth grab by the King of France (Phillipe, who by then controlled the papacy), causing the North of Europe to finally begin to seek separation.  Some historians say that Luther and the advent of Protestantism was a catastrophe for Europe because it gave new life to a Christianity that was about to die out in Europe.  In fact, it served to embroil Europe in religious wars that included the devastating Thirty Years War which has never been resolved completely (Ireland) and is responsible for hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths and contributed to the political environments that eventually led to the two world wars which has left Europe a shell.

        BTW, you ought to look up, The Great Schism and realize that the RCC waged war against the Oriental Church.  One Crusade actually sacked Constantinople and its actors executed priests, while the streets ran with the blood of fellow Christians.  When the Serbs rebelled against the 500 year Ottoman Muslim rule in 1878, the Roman Catholic Hapsburg’s (Austia-Hungarian Empire) allied with it to suppress their fellow Christians, which shocked and outraged the Serbs and led to a deadly plot for revenge that led to WW1.

        Christianity is the antithesis of intellectualism and knowledge.  While it is true that many later hid out in plain sight within the Church, the history of it suppression of literacy, science and the preservation of superstition and ignorance for the sake of political control is well documented, from Galileo to the promotion of the Flat Earth, which held back Europe for centuries.  Scientists had to hide, remove themselves as far from Rome as possible, and/or meet in secret.  This gave rise to “secret societies,” the chief on becoming the Freemasons, which it has been established that Charles ll of England was a member and who founded the Royal Society in the 17th century.  This, and the general disgust with Christian warring and its attendant catastrophes led to the Enlightenment and the rise of the Age of Reason,which Christianity only joined in on, once it realized that it could not prevent it, AND that it could use it to spread its power abroad through the subjugation of conversion, which was often forced, and impoverished its converts while it soaked up the local wealth, while it soaked the earth in blood.  This may have been inevitable for the era, but the question must be posed; Is this what a loving “God” or Jesus would have done?  Christianity and piracy combined to loot the world and now that piracy is no longer politically possible, all the resentments that it and Christianity caused world wide for centuries is using Christianity to destroy Europeans.

        Finally, there is NOTHING in the NT that says that any race is exceptional or exclusive, in fact, quite the contrary.  It calls on grown ups to “be as children,” as sheep who follow the “good” shepherd.  There is as much proof of these Biblical claims and myths as there is for the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or as it is now famously said, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.”

      • SteveM

        I think you mean the Byzantine Empire survived until 1493. Rome was toast about 1000 years before that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jean-Deux/1540915347 Jean Deux

     every sunday churches across the country are telling you to love and embrace your brothers from mexico and from africa. If these churches had their way they would import 100 million mexicans and 100 million africans tomorrow, and tell you to support them, because that’s what jesus would do. 

  • Shawn_thefemale

    I have been weighing the decision to leave my current (Baptist) church. fLuter’s ‘appointment’ to the position just clinched my decision to leave and to return to my Christian church. I now have a hardcore reason which I will be proud to announce as my purpose for leaving.

  • JohnEngelman
  • JohnEngelman
    • Shawn_thefemale

       Good try. This is nothing but an example of the diversity churches are adopting; a diversity which we at Amren don’t agree with. Many people can sing well and make good music. It doesn’t mean we agree with the message.

      It was God who created all the lands, then populated each with its own native people. He did NOT put them together amongst each other. On purpose and for a reason.

      • JohnEngelman

        Romans 10:12 
        For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
                    
        Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 
                             
        Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

  • http://seradly.blogspot.com/ REGVLVS

     Indeed, it changed mine. Made me a Christian “racist”.

  • http://seradly.blogspot.com/ REGVLVS

     There is a people of still numbering hundreds of millions who are left to conserve. Our conservation (deliverance from extinction) is the bedrock of all else.

  • jeffaral

    Christianity is overwhelmingly a non-White religion – nearly all subsaharian Africa is christian- so no surprise there.   This religion from the Middle East is definitely not for normal White people!

  • JohnEngelman

    Mama, are there any angels black like me?”
    I’ve been as good as any little girl could be;
    If I hide my face do you think they would see?
    I wonder if they’ll find a place for little black me?http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=100841#2027389     
                                                
    When I was a child my mother sang that song while doing housework. She learned it as a little girl from my grandmother.  

    • Shawn_thefemale

       Mine used to read ‘Sambo’ to me.

    • Shawn_thefemale

       As I replied to this the first time you posted it, I repeat:

      My mother read ‘Sambo’ to me.

  • Sloppo

    I’ve read many comments which express beliefs that Christianity is incompatible with nationalism and the preservation of western (European-built) civilization.  I disagree for a variety of reasons, but first and foremost is the “golden rule”.  Christians are told by Jesus to “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.  

    I believe nationalism is the best policy for the long term well-being of all peoples.  White Christians should respect the nationalism of other peoples and we should require them to respect ours.  Multiculturalism is purposely promoted to create perpetual deadly conflict and destroy the racial diversity which God created.  As a Christian, I am opposed to such a destructive and murderous policy.   I want our country to respect other nations’ boundaries and I want other nations’ to respect ours.  That is the way of peace.

    As a Christian who respects nationalism, I can still be good friends with people from other races/cultures, I can still share my faith with them, and I can still assist them in many other ways.  On the other hand, I believe boundaries are important and I must respect the sovereignty of other peoples as I seek respect for the sovereignty of my own people.  

    Many Christians seem to believe that we have a Christian obligation to allow ourselves to be freely over-run and overwhelmed by other races/cultures.  I believe they should remember that the “golden rule” does NOT say “do unto others any way they want you to”.  

    • http://www.newnation.org/ sbuffalonative

       
      Mr. Taylor hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that, far from being evil, white people are in fact too nice. This worked out pretty well for  us when we lived in mono-racial nations and communities because most of us shared common values, aspirations, and personal responsibility.

      Our enemies have found our fatal flaw. We can be easily swayed and manipulated by appealing to our values of ‘fair play’.

      Our problem is the mixing and integration with people who are not like us. Our values work for us because most of us understand that, although we work together to form our communities and nations, the backbone of making such nations and communities work is that each of us pulls our own weight. White people developed ‘liberal’ ideals such as welfare and civil rights but again, they were based on the fact that most white people took personal responsibility and wouldn’t abuse them.

      Integration of different races and cultures can’t work because it will always mean moving to the lowest common denominator.  

      • Sloppo

        Every time I listen to Mr. Taylor, I agree with almost everything he says.  I would like to see him in more debating scenarios, but I believe many of the people who disagree with him are afraid to do that sort of thing.

  • Zorro

    He also forgot to mention Al Shakedown.

  • xxxtonygunsxxx

    black woman random attack on white guy
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUofDKKpkc

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

    I won’t argue with pop-history here; just a few clues:

    * Christianity is the largest world religion. As other great religions (Islam, Buddhism), it is universalistic & doesn’t give a hoot about race(s).

    * historically, Christianity has saved the West. Without it, there is a good chance that Greco-Roman heritage would have been lost- dumb barbarians (Germanic & Slavic peoples) were no better than Mongols. Thanks to Christianity, and especially Roman Catholic Church, most of the old stuff has been preserved. Western Christianity has done other things, too- it established universities, hospitals, books (as different from papyri) etc. Charles Murray is right about it: http://www.isteve.com/2003_QA_with_Charles_Murray_on_Human_Accomplishment.htm
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/cultures-bell-curve/
    Maybe 70-80% of the best minds in past 1000 years had been professing Christians.

    Forget about quasi-gnostic-feminist rubbish, Templars, Cathars, Dan Brown, Elaine Pagels & all that.
    Western Christianity is the real deal.

    * or was ? I simply don’t know. Be as it may, it’s our familiar religion, from iconography to cultural associations, while Buddhism & Islam are not, and New Age paganism is cultural desert & actually a joke.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jean-Deux/1540915347 Jean Deux

     stop your wondering, while we can be pulled down to their level, we cannot pull them up to our level

  • Sheila Dinehart

    Is this the same Southern Baptist group that determined male superority over female some years ago and kicked the female pastors out of the pulpit?  (*the white man kicked the women of his own race to the curb in order to put her below the black man*).

    Or was that the Southern Baptist Association?

    and this gave me a big laugh:

     
    “Today was as truly a historic moment as Southern Baptist life will ever experience,” said Land, who helped craft the denomination’s 1995 statement apologizing for the “deplorable sin” of racism. “Praise God for his redeeming grace.”

    (By all means, praise Jesus…)

    In the months before the election, SBC ethicist Richard Land was embroiled in controversy for saying President Obama and civil rights leaders had exploited the case of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed Florida teen who was killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer. Land, who was reprimanded and lost his radio talk show as a result of the racial tension his remarks caused, was among those immediately cheering Luter’s election.

    (Fired)

    PRAISE JESUS….ha ha ha (how embrassing to be such an idiot)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYKCW323HPUTQOUGE5WZPNXJOU John

    I believe it was always taught in the Catholic Church at least (until recent times) that there were three theological curses: women, Jews, blacks.  This does not mean that any of these three groups cannot be saved through belief in Jesus Christ, but that their condition has been influenced, just like a landslide upriver influences the course of the river downstream,  by the acts of its ancestors.

    Just like Original Sin was given to all mankind by the sin of Adam.  

    Therefore, blacks in a role of leadership of a religious body would seem to be problematic.

    • Southern__Hoosier

      Blacks in any  role of leadership would seem to be  more than problematic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lucas-Evans/100001091600634 Lucas Evans

    White people are the only race that can actually see past race. Whether or not this is a “good” thing has yet to be seen.

  • refocus

     The trolls will get in there and ruin that too.

  • Sheila Dinehart

    I am wondering if you will include your last name so we, our posts, are not confused by others.  Of course you must know there is no such thing as anonymity…everything one writes and posts on the computer is known and can never be unknown…though I suppose it gives a false feeling of security to certain kinds of people…ha ha ha, it shouldn’t. 

  • Sheila Dinehart

    I would like to say that not all blacks kill the whites who leave them, actually that is an extremely low occurance…it is just that it seems like it because of high profile cases like OJSimpson…but  it is certainly true that blacks commit so much crime and so much violence, and the phenomenon of targeting whites has been around for a long time.

    There are reasons this is so but the main stream media can’t report it because of the backlash on a number of levels…we know what they are.

    Black leaders are very foolish if they do not manage to get *their people* under control…this foolishness will will only be permitted to go so far.

    America seems to be a not so nice place to live because of increasing  black violence…I know I have been looking into other countries for the purpose of relocating.

    .

  • Sheila Dinehart

    ha ha…sounds like the *kneeling* type to me too… 

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     I have studied Christian theology for a couple decades thank you.  99% percent are apostate according to you.  So here we have it folks, another self-made prophet who KNOWS THE WAY.

    Read up on real Christian history, it has been the tormentor of white Europeans for over a thousand years, closer to 2,000 years.  The “sins” you enumerate were being practiced very early on, as hypocrisy is pretty much guaranteed in Christianity.

    And not just Muslim, but Christianity has Judaism to thank for its existence.

    The solution is for white realists to realize that Christianity is completely useless to any except those who would control and exploit whites for their own gain.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     You forgot to mention MLK.  (Not condemning you for it, however).

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     Two answers to two questions posed in two sentences;

    1. Only partially true.  The Romans had a Roman centric religion called Sol Invictus which was structured much the same as Greek polytheism, with slightly different names for the same deities, etc., and the same holidays.  Rome was a far reaching empire and had that intellectual curiosity that welcomed new ideas and Christianity would never have gained a foothold without that openness.  Also, if you read the details of history it is always women who loved to try out new religions like fashions, not that unlike today.  Historically, Constantine was converted by his wife as was Clovis later on.  Shakespeare provides an apt demonstration of how a woman often manipulated behind the scenes for political gain, regardless of the worst likely outcomes (Macbeath).  The other thing is that those pagan religious were very similar in structure; they were polytheistic, they celebrated solar events that correlated with the agrarian realities and life.  Christianity is made up largely of “pagan” ideas, combined with patriarchal Judaism based on a hero tale of a Jewish resistance fighter.  It would take a long time to illustrate the hows and whys, but I recommend you study history closer, beginning with Gibbon’s  “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.”

    One of the features of all the European “pagan” religions I know of is ancestor worship, the reverence and sanctity of your family line.  This feature makes it very valuable to whites today.  Christianity destroyed and destroys such notions (even though it hung on in some ways for a long time).  I have made the argument always (for seven years now) on Amren posts that the value in this for whites is obvious and pride in ones heritage, their own family name and line would serve as a guarantor that few if any such whites would violate and turn away from their long family line and all its pride and glory to mix with nonwhites.  This BTW, describes Japan and the Japanese perfectly.

    “Pagan” is a Latin word, and it merely means, “one who lives on (and of) the land.”  “Heathen” similarly, means “one who lives upon the heath (meadows).  As Christianity asserted itself by making political alliances (such as with Clovis), it became a fashion in courts.  The country people still adhered to the old ways.  To vilify them for future forced conversion, they were first treated to that all too familiar practice of critical theory, and the world “pagan” became synonymous with the ignorant, backward, and finally evil, devil possessed heretics that had to be converted or “purified.”

    2. The Romans did what the Persians and then the Greeks did; dain the idea of empire to be the be all and end all of earthly glory and power.  In the end, it is all  about greed and power, but then, everything, including Christianity (maybe especially) is really about greed and power, (no matter how much they pretend it isn’t).  The idea of empire lasted into the 20th century.  All those empires fell in the end, because of their diversity.  But that didn’t mean that they didn’t provide a long and stable period in history and for their peoples.  The opposite is the ethnic republic or even kingdom, but they are overpowered by modern versions of empire such as the U.S., British Commonwealth, the EU, etc.

    I think managing humans politically and geographically is an imperfect necessity and there will always be problems inherent in it, even if it were all one religion and all white, because humans don’t let much sit still for long before one and then others think they can gain an advantage of some kind.  That is how we are.

  • vladdy1

    (Sorry-hit “like” when I meant to hit reply.) Just wanted to say, I think if people start preaching militant atheism, you will lost a whole lot of us race realists who are strong Christians.

  • JohnEngelman

    Why do you think God is a white man? 

  • JohnEngelman

    Where in the New Testament does Jesus say Christianity should be a white man’s religion? Where does anyone say that in the New Testament? 

  • JohnEngelman

    The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity . Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew…
                     
    Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.
                                         
    – Adolf Hitler, from “Hitler’s Table Talk”