US Should Return Stolen Land to Indian Tribes, Says United Nations

Chris McGreal, Guardian (London), May 4, 2012

United Nations investigator probing discrimination against Native Americans has called on the US government to return some of the land stolen from Indian tribes as a step toward combatting continuing and systemic racial discrimination.

James Anaya, the UN special rapporteur on the rights of indigenous peoples, said no member of the US Congress would meet him as he investigated the part played by the government in the considerable difficulties faced by Indian tribes.

Anaya said that in nearly two weeks of visiting Indian reservations, indigenous communities in Alaska and Hawaii, and Native Americans now living in cities, he encountered people who suffered a history of dispossession of their lands and resources, the breakdown of their societies and “numerous instances of outright brutality, all grounded on racial discrimination”.

“It’s a racial discrimination that they feel is both systemic and also specific instances of ongoing discrimination that is felt at the individual level,” he said.

Anaya said racism extended from the broad relationship between federal or state governments and tribes down to local issues such as education.

“For example, with the treatment of children in schools both by their peers and by teachers as well as the educational system itself; the way native Americans and indigenous peoples are reflected in the school curriculum and teaching,” he said.

“And discrimination in the sense of the invisibility of Native Americans in the country overall that often is reflected in the popular media. The idea that is often projected through the mainstream media and among public figures that indigenous peoples are either gone or as a group are insignificant or that they’re out to get benefits in terms of handouts, or their communities and cultures are reduced to casinos, which are just flatly wrong.”

Close to a million people live on the US’s 310 Native American reservations. Some tribes have done well from a boom in casinos on reservations but most have not.

Anaya visited an Oglala Sioux reservation where the per capita income is around $7,000 a year, less than one-sixth of the national average, and life expectancy is about 50 years.

The two Sioux reservations in South Dakota—Rosebud and Pine Ridge—have some of the country’s poorest living conditions, including mass unemployment and the highest suicide rate in the western hemisphere with an epidemic of teenagers killing themselves.

“You can see they’re in a somewhat precarious situation in terms of their basic existence and the stability of their communities given that precarious land tenure situation. It’s not like they have large fisheries as a resource base to sustain them. In basic economic terms it’s a very difficult situation. You have upwards of 70% unemployment on the reservation and all kinds of social ills accompanying that. Very tough conditions,” he said.

Anaya said Rosebud is an example where returning land taken by the US government could improve a tribe’s fortunes as well as contribute to a “process of reconciliation”.

“At Rosebud, that’s a situation where indigenous people have seen over time encroachment on to their land and they’ve lost vast territories and there have been clear instances of broken treaty promises. It’s undisputed that the Black Hills was guaranteed them by treaty and that treaty was just outright violated by the United States in the 1900s. That has been recognised by the United States supreme court,” he said.

Anaya said he would reserve detailed recommendations on a plan for land restoration until he presents his final report to the UN human rights council in September.

“I’m talking about restoring to indigenous peoples what obviously they’re entitled to and they have a legitimate claim to in a way that is not devisive but restorative. That’s the idea behind reconciliation,” he said.

But any such proposal is likely to meet stiff resistance in Congress similar to that which has previously greeted calls for the US government to pay reparations for slavery to African-American communities.

Anaya said he had received “exemplary cooperation” from the Obama administration but he declined to speculate on why no members of Congress would meet him.

“I typically meet with members of the national legislature on my country visits and I don’t know the reason,” he said.

Last month, the US justice and interior departments announced a $1 billion settlement over nearly 56 million acres of Indian land held in trust by Washington but exploited by commercial interests for timber, farming, mining and other uses with little benefit to the tribes.

The attorney general, Eric Holder, said the settlement “fairly and honourably resolves historical grievances over the accounting and management of tribal trust funds, trust lands and other non-monetary trust resources that, for far too long, have been a source of conflict between Indian tribes and the United States.”

But Anaya said that was only a step in the right direction.

“These are important steps but we’re talking about mismanagement by the government of assets that were left to indigenous peoples,” he said. “This money for the insults on top of the injury. It’s not money for the initial problem itself, which is the taking of vast territories. This is very important and I think the administration should be commended for moving forward to settle these claims but there are these deeper issues that need to be addressed.”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jean-Deux/1540915347 Jean Deux

    I thought nomads didn’t own any land. Can a people with no written langauge, no code of laws, no idea where they were  control a continent?

    • haroldcrews

      Plus those tribes who controlled land when the Europeans came merely took it from others.  So we have as much claim to it as they do.  It’s called the right of conquest.

      • JohnEngelman

        Then why do so many American Renaissance posters complain about “race displacement?” Orientals and Jews do not need weapons to engage in race displacement. All they need are number 2 pencils on mental aptitude tests.

        • Pandemonium

          Then why are they using the full force of the court system, the Justice department, the EEOC, and a myriad of other government agencies, etc. to dispossess the Whites?

          Have you heard of Affirmative Action otherwise known as legalized racial discrimination? 

          And don’t even try to convince me that AA is to right previous wrongs. That’s completely bogus. 

      • kamarasune

        Actually some tribes did war with one another over hunting grounds but no, there was no mystery people here before the “indigenous” Native American tribes. That is why they are called Indigenous…..

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wdIiT16LV4 Afrikanerhart

      Nice.

    • JohnEngelman

      By the time of the white invasion of their land the Indians had agriculture. This included some of the most important crops today, such as corn, potatoes, tomatoes and many species of beans. The mathematicians in the Mayan civilization were using zero before it was used in Europe.
       
      The great majority of Indians lived in settled communities. They did own land. This land was taken from them by force and fraud by whites. 

      • Tonym1221

        Such are the problems in attempting to define these “crimes”- their civilisation certainly did hold territory, but they have no set-in-stone “right” to it. No race does- how on earth can these rights be enforced, but by the race itself? That right only exists within the context of their rules, no other nation is bound to honour them. Cries of “discrimination” and “force and fraud” are simply learned buzzwords. Other races know Whitey will give them what they want when they say it, so everybody and his wife tries it on.

        Our prowess gave us the tools and skills to come to a foreign land and defeat a brave and battle-hardened foe. It was the end of their civilisation, and we built ours in its stead. Our people won the war and won the land. America belongs to Whites, for as long as they can keep possession.

        Is there some court of law, recognised by every race as supreme, accessible to all, that would hear this case you bring- that of the Native versus the evil White? All too often the UN sees itself in that role, but even you must agree they are wildly overreaching.

        When the verdict was handed down, that we should leave America, and not only that, the Indians must leave too, the land to be turned over to the rotting bones of those the tribes defeated, would you be first to obey?

        In the future, when taking land, should the victors simply obliterate the defeated race (as may be the custom to this day in certain places, some of them with UN Human rights council delegates) so there is nobody to make these claims?

      • Pandemonium

        They were never out of the Stone age. 

        First rule of land ownership by a nation: if you can take it and hold it, its yours.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003470735190 Israel Finklestein

          “First rule of land ownership by a nation: if you can take it and hold it, its yours.”

          Well than by your very own dictum, I guess the Mexicans, Asians ( Chinese, Indians, Koreans, Japanese), Jews, Blacks, other non white groups in America who are soon shifting the demography and land/ property ownership in their favor are fully justified in their action by dispossessing whites every day!

    • kamarasune

      The point is they were all over the Americas and often in a village setting. Not all were nomadic. They were drove out of their homes and off their land repeatedly. If the settlers felt they had a right to it all then why did they feel the need to make treaties with Native Americans?

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    They fail miserably with the land they have.  So the solution?  Give them more land.

    Gotcha.

    • WhitesRdumb

      Sounds suspiciously like the same philosophy they use for diversity, and affirmative action, and government waste, and crime,  and welfare, and ….

  • haroldcrews

    Yeh, we’ll get right on that.  I for one have no objections to giving the Amerindians a small plot of land in NYC.  It currently has some improvements on it.  It’s some rather valuable real estate.  It’s about 18 acres in East Manhattan.

    • gemjunior

      Harlem, Washington Heights, esp. Columbia University should be their new longhouse.

  • https://openid.aol.com/opaque/fb71ba42-93fb-11e1-a951-000bcdcb2996 Rick

    Give them back Massachusetts

    • Detroit_WASP

      No, give the Indians Detroit.  Tell them THEY have to evict the blacks.

      • Rocktot

         NO, don’t do that, keep them IN Detroit!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DFC73YYAKSHGIE32R4T3TFAEHI No

    Oh yeah?  Well tell us, UN, what tribe EXACTLY, gets what land? 

    The Sioux may be whining the loudest but go back a ways and that land didn’t belong to the Sioux.  They stole it from some other tribe – and how they did it wasn’t pretty.  Despite what they’d LIKE you to believe, indian warfare wasn’t a heroic event where they went around tapping each other with sticks.  There was rape, scalping, burning, looting, massacre, theft and wholesale slaughter of entire clans.

    Same thing back east.  Same thing in Mexico with the Aztecs or Central America with the Mayans or South America with the Incas. 

    I know we think of indians today as earth-worshipping peaceniks who carefully tend to Mother Earth.  But that’s a bunch of nonsense.  Indian reservations look like garbage dumps . . . and that’s exactly how observers used to describe indian camps in the 19th century.  Nothing has changed.

    The indian is stubborn, prideful to the point of self-destructiveness,  murderous, barbaric, sneaky and typically, pretty lazy.  These are red-skinned, stone-aged savages, who like the negro, can’t seem to be “civilized” until the indian is bred out of them. 

    Every time I see an indian, mestizo or negro I just thank God for having won the racial lottery.

  • Up to my neck in CA

    I used to knew a few native Americans from a smal tribe in Northern Nevada. I once asked why were the majority (90%) of the houses on their Rez diplapitated with broken windows? He gave me the most honest answer ever, “Well, if they look neat and tidy the White man will not give us as much money as last time.” With Indian gambling they have more than enough money for their tribes in CA, but the problem is wealth doesn’t trickle down as we White American tax payers all know.

    • The__Bobster

      In Western NY, there’s an Indian leader known as Smoking Joe. His reservation gets plenty of tax dollars and uses government services. He hires his own people to run the casino and his tax-free stores, but pays them way under the minimum wage and they live in poverty.

      • Guest

        If I recall correctly Smokin’ Joe Anderson also copped a plea to a misdemeanor with the Federal government for giving a $40,000 bribe to Niagara Falls Mayor Vince Anello, who was subsequently convicted and sent to Federal prison… seems that the Indian always loves the White Man’s little green pieces of paper with the portrait of the dead Great White Chief on it…

  • Easyrhino1

    My family lost some of our ancestors when they were murdered at the Battle of Carthage in 150BC.   Maybe Gloria Allred will take our case to seek restitution for lost wages.

  • JohnEngelman

    The Americans who experienced genocide and race displacement are the American Indians. 

    • The__Bobster

      Oh yeah, the “honorable Injuns” were completely innocent and didn’t massacre or betray any Whites.

      I get it. You consider them to be Asians, too.

      • ed91

         some of the tribal tortures I have read about were about as insanely horrible as could ever be imagined………

        • WhitesRdumb

          Did they burn Witches on a stake?

    • Zorro

      How about the White Europeans that were here thousands of years before those red Indians were? They were all dead by the time the Vikings, and of course, Columbus, got here. So genocide occured, but the red Indians committed it, and they exterminated the original White people.

    • Pandemonium

      I think everyone understands that. Now, what’s your point?

    • Ingsoc

      Yet you wish the same fate for Whites as what happened to the so called “Native Americans”. Do you not see the irony in such a position? So what you are saying is that it was wrong for Europeans to come here and nearly destroy the Native Americans, yet you are perfectly okay with the same thing happening to Whites. That is the definition of a hypocrite.  If you don’t care about White people facing genocide, why do you care about what happened to the Native Americans?

      American Anti-Whites are programmed to use the American Indian issue, to justify open borders in the USA.

      Do you think America will be just as great when all the white people are gone? I think it will look like Africa today.

      • JohnEngelman

        Whites are not being killed by Orientals. Many whites cannot compete with Orientals, because they lack the IQ power. That is an important difference. 

  • DreamShatterer

    Hating the Indians lends credence to theories according to which we are hater bigots.

    Personally, I don’t hate them, and would not oppose them having some of their lands back. As long as Whites have theirs back too.

    • The__Bobster

      We were here first, but if the wagon burners do get “their” land back, it should be in the condition in which we found it. 

      • DreamShatterer

        “We were here first”

        Not technically, and you know it. 

        “if the wagon burners do get “their” land back, it should be in the same condition in which we found it.”

        I don’t think the Indians ever said they wanted to live like Westerners, contrary to Blacks — so the quasi totality of them would accept your offer. 

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/RHOOBUIWVFVM6UTQIWAEDZ446U MightyWhitey

          I live next to a reservation in Az. The Native Americans have tens of thousands of acres of pristine land to live the “Native American Dream”. This land is fertile, covered in timber, and has plenty of water as well as wild life. They also receive millions of Federal tax dollars to jump start the dream.

          They could live completely “FREE FROM WHITEY” if they had any inkling to do so. But what do they do instead… they get drunk, order Schwanns, and bitch that it’s somebody else’s fault.

          • DreamShatterer

            The Indians were spiritually and morally destroyed when they were defeated by an infinitely stronger enemy, and know that the only reason they’re still there today is charity and Christian pity. 

            Not the best conditions for self-esteem, it may seem. So it’s normal they’re alcoholic and have the highest suicide rates on the American continent.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TZYCWFQ742IHZ3WHI5ZUMQSAIQ Lou

             So what is with you ?  Indian , I suppose ? Hey, the name of the game is, fight to win and that is what we do, did ,and will do.. It’s OUR land and they will have to fight to get it back.. Think they “you” can win ?

          • MissBonnie123

            I know White people who have had negative experiences yet they do not constantly focus on their unhappy past–a past that happened in this lifetime, not thousands of years ago! We all have to move beyond our negative experiences and do the best with what we have.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

             Oh really?  If you read history you may learn something new.  Also, Indians are genetic alcoholics.  Gambling was part of their culture before the advent of the white man.  It is a well known Indian slogan, “It is a good day to die!”

            The motivation of Amerinds was always to live simply and easy.  When whites gave them gifts and then support for land, they went for it.  When something went wrong, they most often replied by attacking the nearest whites, even when they had been friends with them.  Read up, try “A Fate Worse than Death,” Michno, for starts, but Custer’s “My Life on the Plains” is considered a historical document by the Smithsonian.

        • Bon, From the Land of Babble

          “We were here first”

          Not technically, and you know it. 

          Research by a Valparaiso University geography professor and his students on the creation of Kankakee Sand Islands of Northwest Indiana is lending support to evidence that the first humans to settle the Americas came from Europe, a discovery that overturns decades of classroom lessons that nomadic tribes from Asia crossed a Bering Strait land-ice bridge.

          http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080701193203.htm

          Bon

        • MissBonnie123

          The issue here is that White people in America today are being blamed for something that happened in the past. We were not alive when the Indians supposedly had their lands stolen from them and therefore we should not be held responsible for something we had nothing to do with.

          Also, I believe that Indians are elgible for American social welfare benefits even though their reservations are considered sovereign nations. We have given and given and we should not be required to give any more.

          • gemjunior

            I agree, we are blamed not just for this that happened in the past but for everything in the past, because we are part of the most productive, innovative and intelligent, curious and inventive tribe or race that ever walked on Planet Earth.  How we lost control of that past is one of the saddest, most unprecedented things I can imagine.

    • JohnEngelman

      The same white gentiles who gloat about lower IQs of blacks and Hispanics resent the higher IQs of Orientals and Jews because they cannot compete with them. 

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         A couple of points of IQ doesn’t and hasn’t rendered Whites unable to compete with them.  In the case of Asians, they get privileges over Whites here because they belong to Federal Protected Groups definitions.  Whites are right to resent unfair imposition of Asians into our population.  BTW, Asians (Chinese) have been reported officially as the group who engages in ID theft the most lately.  We also just had an Asian group busted in Portland for counterfeiting US currency.

        We get and test the cream of the crop from Asia so far; the ones tenacious enough to get here.  If all of the Asians were tested, I think those few IQ points would reverse.

        Regardless, whites deserve nations of their own just as Jews, Asians, blacks, and all every other racial/ethnic group does.

        You must hate it when you get up every morning and see a white face in the mirror.

        • JohnEngelman

          Terence Chea, The Jamestown Sun, April 21, 2012
          Fifteen years ago, California voters were asked: Should colleges consider a student’s race when they decide who gets in and who doesn’t?With an emphatic “no,” they made California the first state to ban the use of race and ethnicity in public university admissions, as well as hiring and contracting…

          With affirmative action outlawed, Asian American students have dominated admissions. The freshman class admitted to UC Berkeley this coming fall is 30 percent white and 46 percent Asian, according to newly released data. The share of admitted Asians is four times higher than their percentage in the state’s K-12 public schools.http://amren.com/news/2012/04/campus-diversity-suffers-under-race-blind-policies/

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

             This is nonsense.  The problem is that such discrimination is difficult to prove and prosecute.  Pro Asian bias is going on, even expanded in California.  In fact, it’s become a cultural norm, as has discriminating against whites.  You obviously don’t live in California.  I was living in California during the time of that vote.  It hasn’t changed anything.Even white women are being excluded in favor of Asians in admission to universities. I know of individual cases.  In one a young white women, daughter of a good friend of mine decided to stop going to UCLA because of it.  She had a 4.0 grade average too.  Luckily, she got into UC Davis before this next move by Governor Brown.  Governor Brown has made education for immigrants tuition free and admissions easier, displacing whites in admissions.

          • JohnEngelman

            Hundreds of studies on millions of people show a threeway pattern. IQ tests are often made to have an average score of 100, with a “normal” range from 85 to 115. Whites average from 100 to 103. Orientals in Asia and the U.S. tend to have higher scores, about 106, even though IQ tests were made for use in the Euro-American culture…
             
            Bigger brains have more brain cells and this leads to higher IQs. The races vary in brain size. The Collaborative Perinatal Project followed more than 35,000 children 
            from birth to seven years. Orientals had larger brains than Whites at birth, four months, one year, and seven years…
                     
            – Professor J. Philippe Rushton, from “RACE, EVOLUTION,  
            AND BEHAVIOR”
            http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf
                 
            Professor Rushton has spoken at American Renaissance conferences.  
             
             

          • JohnEngelman

            For years, many Asian-Americans have been convinced that it’s harder for them to gain admission to the ation’s top colleges.     

            Studies show that Asian-Americans meet these colleges’ admissions standards far out of proportion to their 6 percent representation in the U.S. population, and that they often need test scores hundreds of points higher than applicants from other ethnic groups to have an equal chance of admission…
                            
            Asian students have higher average SAT scores than any other group, including whites. A study by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade examined applicants to top colleges from 1997, when the maximum SAT score was 1600 (today it’s 2400). Espenshade found that Asian-Americans needed a 1550 SAT to have an equal chance of getting into an elite
            college as white students with a 1410.
            http://amren.com/news/2011/12/some_asians_col/

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            “Bigger brains have more brain cells and this leads to higher IQs. The
            races vary in brain size. The Collaborative Perinatal Project followed
            more than 35,000 children 
            from birth to seven years. Orientals had larger brains than Whites at birth, four months, one year, and seven years…”

            And as adults? 

            Females mature quicker than males and so they should be considered superior….

            Such statistical whiz bang is not the point.  The debate concerns your reference to the displacement of whites in their own country.  Why do we have so many Asians here to being with?  Only white Western nations are being goaded into replacing their populations.  Once they are in control of a region of even a business Asians practice racial bigotry with zeal.

            As for IQ, I have read values all over the board.  While it is true that the IQ test was designed by whites, it wasn’t designed to favor whites.  It was produced in a time when white culture was more homogenous.  One explanation I have heard for the slightly better performance of Asians is the nature of language.  Character based languages require the development of great capacity for memory.  Since most testing relies on memorization, most Asians do well because they have a better genetic disposition for memorizing.  However, this doesn’t translate to rational functioning.  Which is probably why China present and past history of self rule is so abysmal and why the Chinese excel in reverse engineering and the production of copies, copies that have always had a reputation for low quality.  Chinese medicine and folk medicine is based on the most unscientific and ignorant set of beliefs perhaps existing in the modern world outside of some parts of Africa.  Asians and Chinese in particular act like a cancer or a mass of soldier ants on the territories where they inhabit.  They have significantly impacted the natural environment in the Western U.S. adversely in the few decades that they have been of any appreciable number and have a typical lack of respect/care for laws intended to protect nature.  They consume and ruin with no thought for the future.  Since their sudden growth in wealth, Chinese in China consume at a rate that outstrips Americans even during our greatest period of growth and for example, bought cars and drove at will, striking others in a hit and run style.  I don’t know if this has been ended in China yet, but Asian drivers around where I live are among the worst.

            There are pitfalls in making assumptions about any one constant one might plug into a formula for evaluating anything, but especially intelligence.  Many white kids are brainwashed into the stigma that they can never top any Asian and many Asians believe that themselves.  I see them walk around in public often with a air of dismissive arrogance at the whites around them.  Regardless of that, the real argument is that just because they can often beat whites at their own game doesn’t mean we ought to be handing over our country to them.  Whatever you might say to support their purported superiority,  it is not a reason to hand our country over to them.  They occupy a huge geographic region of the earth in Asia already.  Asians would not be where they are, nor would they continue to thrive without whites to copy or use. 

          • BannerRWB

            “With affirmative action outlawed, Asian American students have dominated admissions.” – And will, with time, move from displacing Whites in educations to displacing Whites in the work force.  If we were a White ethnostate, then we would be spending our time, money and resources to educated other Whites.  Asians can dominate in their own homelands.  That they are here will only diminish the White world in the long run.

          • Ingsoc

            “And will, with time, move from displacing Whites in educations to displacing Whites in the work force.”

            ….to displacing Whites in their homeland.

            Nobody is telling the Chinese they need to solve a “racism problem” or “go diverse or multicultural” by massive immigration of non-Chinese, massive assimilation and creation of a blended humanity in ONLY China.

            Engelman:  Can you name an Asian country that you believe must bring in millions of non-Asians, allow them to receive preferences over their own people in the workplace and academic institutions and ultimately cede their homeland to them?

            You can list as many Asian countries as you’d like.

            They don’t want to lost their culture identity and neither do we so stop justifying genocide against Whites. We whites have NOTHING, and if you have it your way, we’ll all be extinct. That would make you so happy, right?

          • Ingsoc

            Let’s say that I’m a white American college graduate looking to break into the upper echelons of a Chinese company. 

            Let’s say that I go to China and start making a big stink about “glass ceilings” and covert racism. Let’s say that I go to the newspapers about it, that I start internet campaigns about it, that I get all loud and mouthy about it. 

            How long before I get a bullet in the back of my head, seriously?

      • Pandemonium

        Evidence suggests that we’ve competed pretty well thus far. After all, Whites did the vast majority of the technology that put man on the moon, etc, etc, etc. 

        And from my perspective it is not “gloating”. Simply observing the facts extant is not, in my book, gloating.

      • Ingsoc

        You never pass up a chance to justify genocide against Whites and White children and advocate White replacement by Asians in White homelands.  You are the very definition of a bigot.

         WEBSTER’S EXPANDED DICTIONARY 1996 edition…..

         Bigotry, big’ ot-ri, n. blind zeal in favor of a creed, party, sect, or opinion. 

        You’re Anti-White because you hate yourself, you’re unhappy, and you take it out on our entire race. Pathetic. 

        There is nothing dumber than a White-hating White!

        • JohnEngelman

          Orientals do not commit genocide against whites when they perform better in the class room and on the job and get better jobs with better incomes.  
           
          How does my recognition about racial differences prove that I hate whites? Race realism means a recognition of racial differences pointed out by men who have spoken at American Renaissance conferences. 

  • joewest666

    Attention UN.

    EAD.

    Google it.

    • Up to my neck in CA

      Ha-Ha I don’t need google for that one!

  • ageofknowledge

    The United Nations can go pound sand. So can the World Trade Organization.

  • splitsing

    I’ve been to and seen enough reservations to know that these folks don’t need more land to drink themselves into a big red oblivion.  Not only should they not get any more land, they should have the damn casinos taken away too–no way they deserve to have anything that valuable.

  • loyalwhitebriton

    It is my understanding that the traditional native American Indians were a nomadic peoples, who had no concept of ownership. They could have been wandering anywhere; America, India, China, Africa, doesn’t matter, nomads are nomads. They own nothing, and don’t have a claim to anywhere.

    America belongs to the white Europeans who built the worlds greatest civilisation there. If the Amerindians don’t like it, they should just find a rock somewhere, crawl under it, and enter into a permanent and irreversible state of hibernation.

    • MissBonnie123

      You are correct. The native Indians believed that God created the land and therefore man was to be a steward of that land.

      It’s a beautiful concept but conflicts with the United Nations desire to give Indians “their” land back.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         Your nomenclature is wrong and is actually a Christian interpretation.  Many Christians claim your description is what Genesis means when it says (in some versions) that “God gave man dominion over them.”  They called it “The Great Spirit,” not God and there were lesser spiritual beings, so they were/are polytheistic.  Missionaries did confuse enough Amerinds so that by the end of the 19th century the “Ghost Dance” outbreak had obvious Christians elements in it.

  • Detroit_WASP

    YES, whites should give back the land.  And Indians should give back:

    the wheel
    written language
    colored cable TV
    electricity
    indoor plumbing
    central heating and cooling
    every dime they made from a white person at an Indian casino
    antibiotics
    birth control
    x-rays
    dentistry (smile)
    schools

    Seems like a fair trade to me!  When can we get this new government program started?

    • Oil Can Harry

      Written language? Don’t worry, the Indians haven’t written- or read – very many books in the last few centuries… 

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      Fair enough.

      They can also cut us  check for all the welfare, handouts, and other benefits they have received during the past 100 years.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       Add, horses, guns, cloth, anything made of metal.

  • http://www.facebook.com/PlayingRootsBackwards James Briggs

    Let’s give them the Granola Coast and the Northeast.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       Come here and see all the Indian reservations and casinos and you’ll realize that they already own it.  Whites are allowed to live in enclaves called  cities, suburbs, towns.

  • xxxtonygunsxxx

    MARK LEVIN  is reporting right now on the death of white 90 yr old bob strait d day medal winner tortured to death by a 20 yr old black who beat his wife to death after raping her shot him in the face with a bb gun etc please look up the article

    • xxxtonygunsxxx

       please email and write the prosecutor requesting the death penalty for tyrone woodfork

  • sbuffalonative

    And all Africans, Asians, and others will return to their native homelands?

    Will this be done in every nation?

    Which point in time are all nations going to return?

    What about natural historic migration replacements?

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      No, it is only White nations that are compelled to give up their land to the “original inhabitants” or Moslem or Hispanics invaders.

      Does anyone here think the UN gives a **** about Native Born White Britons ceding the country they’ve lived in for 40,000 years to hostile Moslem colonists?

      The only mandate is for White countries and only White countries to admit hoards of non-Whites from the Third World, become “multicultural” and “diverse”,  the White populations lose their homelands, ALL OF THEM and cease to exist.

      It is genocide, and it is being carried out only against White populations with full encouragement by the UN — after they strip away our wealth through a “world tax”, that is.

      Bon

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Hulsey/100002561657868 Michael Hulsey

    So will they also be asking the blacks who currently inhabit vast swathes of places like South Africa to hand it back to whites, who colonized it when it was empty and utterly devoid of any people at all?

    Didn’t think so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jean-Deux/1540915347 Jean Deux

    Handing over North America in exchange for admission to human civilization seems like a fair trade to me, and what you do once you get in is up to you.

  • bluffcreek1967

    The Native Americans, like Blacks, are utterly dependent upon the Federal Government to give them everything. Thus, they are lazy and unmotivated to change their condition. This almost always happens when people are fed their entire lives at the government trough. Once again, foolish Whites, out of guilt and perhaps with the best of intentions, have contributed to much of this. In the end, however, the Native American condition is of their own doing.   

    Moreover, Native Americans are not particularly known for their intelligence and industrial spirit – and this absence is not due to the White man conquering their lands. Let’s not forget they were carving wooden totem poles in living in tee-pees while Whites were advancing throughout the entire American continent. They were conquered by a superior race of people, and we owe nothing to them. This is the reality of human history whether we like it or not.   

  • dmxinc

    Just as soon as Turkey returns Constantinople and the rest of “Turkey,” the Russians return Prussia, and the “Egyptians” leave Egypt.

    Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453, the Russians kept conquered Prussia and removed all of its people in 1945 after WWII, and the Arabs are guilty of genocide of the Egyptians during the Muslim invasions.

    In all three cases you may still see the fruits of the civilizations of the conquered peoples. There is far more to these civilizations than all what the Indians had accomplished in what is now America.

  • sbuffalonative

    If this does come to pass, I support a slash and burn, scorched earth program.

    Then again, just turning it over to them will have the same results.

  • TonyWestfield

    No problem, as long as the paperwork is in order, you know, the deeds and titles and surveys that the Indian tribes…Oh, I forgot, the Indians didn’t have paperwork…illiterate, no alphabet, no literature, no written language when their “culture was stolen” by the Europeans whose culture gave rise to practically everything civilized in the world.

    Okay, but we can calculate the lost revenue: the timber and mining assets that the Aborigines would have developed on their own if the Europeans hadn’t interfered…Oh, I forgot, the Indians hadn’t yet invented the wheel when the Europeans arrived.

    Hmmm, this negotiation is, well, inconvenient.  Godspeed to the United Nations culture czars!

    Facts are stubborn things, and painful to those who hold illusions and are then dis-illusioned by facts. 

    Let’s cut the nonsense and say it: The luckiest thing that ever happened to the Indian savages was their conquest at the hands of the Europeans.  Now if only the Aborigines would get some sense and JOIN the civilization around them instead of perpetually daydreaming about the free-range life of their ancestors, fishing, hunting, etc.

    And talk about an inefficient life style!  The free-range “natural” life of the savage seems to need an awful lot of space for all that fishing and hunting.  Hey, man, that’s one really gigantic “footprint”–we may have to report them to Al Gore, and then the Aborigines will be in trouble with the United Nations ENVIRONMENTAL czars.

  • splitsing

    Honestly, if whites could be given all the reservation lands free from other minorities and replete with the same benefits and the casinos, I’d personally take them up on it.  Could you imagine whites being given those reservations and resources?  Sounds like utopia–the perfect place to raise my daughters, free from prying brown hands.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      We were given them way back in the 17th century as grants or purchases from Amerinds.  We created a utopia of sorts, didn’t we?  In fact, the entire world has benefited from what we whites did here. I have ancestors going back to that time here in 1630 in Massachusetts. It went wrong when we began to bring in non-whites and fight over their disposition.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      We were given them way back in the 17th century as grants or purchases from Amerinds.  We created a utopia of sorts, didn’t we?  In fact, the entire world has benefited from what we whites did here. I have ancestors going back to that time here in 1630 in Massachusetts. It went wrong when we began to bring in non-whites and fight over their disposition.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WAUO7VJIU3VVHREUVDQEYCFU24 Chris

    give mt. rushmore over to ‘native’? sorry but our right to it is literally carved in stone. the monument is a greater achievement than all native tribes in all of history ever achieved combined.

  • xxxtonygunsxxx

    michael savage has just mentioned the garbage who support tar von    mau-in and he also linked to the following story courtesy of the occupy trash calling it kristallnact please see story below
    http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2012/05/08/santa-cruz-church-vandalized-historic-font-broken/

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Michael Savage can confuse any issue and transmutate it into anything through his usual flambouyant rationalizing.  These were some idiot taggers.  As far as the Amerind connection goes, The Spanish enslaved them at the missions and many died from disease there.  So another sort of Michael Savage could call it “divine retribution.”

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Michael Savage can confuse any issue and transmutate it into anything through his usual flambouyant rationalizing.  These were some idiot taggers.  As far as the Amerind connection goes, The Spanish enslaved them at the missions and many died from disease there.  So another sort of Michael Savage could call it “divine retribution.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002454802929 John Smith

    With the knowledge I’m in the minority on this issue here, and also that, in reality, it’not feasible to return land to all tribes, I must say that in my opinion, Native Americans deserve better treatment from the US government. I don’t equate their plight with the current state of the black community in the US. Blacks recieve the lions share of government handouts, and squander it, commit violent crimes and generally have no respect for each other or any other race. We throw billions and billions of dollars at nations and peoples that hate America and our way of life, but can’t seem to insure that most NA peoples have decent food, housing, schools and medical care. I’ve been through Pine Ridge, the Crow Reservation, and a few others, and it’s not a pretty sight. Every race has it’s faults, some more than others, NA included, but they have not been treated fairly for a long long time.

    • Blaak Obongo

       “Every race has it’s faults, some more than others, NA included, but they have not been treated fairly for a long long time.”

      What would you consider “fair?”

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       Well, if you check the record, lots of money has been thrown at Amerinds.  The problem is that they can’t be helped, they have to learn to help themselves first.  Some tribes are rich from casinos, but they don’t seem to care about these tribes, yet they refer to themselves as a “nation.”

      Here in the Northwest, the Indian tribes are doing so well that they have gone into the loan shark business, offering high interest loans to anyone who wants to apply.  It’s on tv advertisements.  They can hunt and fish on their reservations as much as they want any time of year.  They party and dance and carry on.  But they are usually morbidly obese and unhealthy.  They have little respect for the law, drink and drive, etc.  They sell smoked salmon along the roads to tourists which is against the law.  No one busts them, though.  A few years back, a group did get popped when they took a modern boat out offshore and used a high powered, scoped rifle to shoot killer whales.

      • Unperson

         

        Why should they risk the wrath of paleface lawman over killer whales when the govt is only too happy to let them legally kill American Bald Eagles?

        http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/15/us-usa-eagles-tribe-idUSBRE82E03520120315

        (Reuters) – The Fish
        and Wildlife Service has approved a first-time permit allowing a Native
        American tribe in Wyoming to kill two bald eagles in a centuries-old
        religious ceremony once outlawed by the federal Bureau of Indian
        Affairs…

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       Well, if you check the record, lots of money has been thrown at Amerinds.  The problem is that they can’t be helped, they have to learn to help themselves first.  Some tribes are rich from casinos, but they don’t seem to care about these tribes, yet they refer to themselves as a “nation.”

      Here in the Northwest, the Indian tribes are doing so well that they have gone into the loan shark business, offering high interest loans to anyone who wants to apply.  It’s on tv advertisements.  They can hunt and fish on their reservations as much as they want any time of year.  They party and dance and carry on.  But they are usually morbidly obese and unhealthy.  They have little respect for the law, drink and drive, etc.  They sell smoked salmon along the roads to tourists which is against the law.  No one busts them, though.  A few years back, a group did get popped when they took a modern boat out offshore and used a high powered, scoped rifle to shoot killer whales.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K7SILEGF2YUSJNFG5U6BVR4RHE JAMES E

    Will the UN be telling Russia and China to give back land? I think not.

    • RebelliousTreecko

       Speaking of which, when are the Japanese going to return Japan to the Ainu? And the Jews returning Israel to the Palestinians?
      Or would that be a “racist dispossession of Oriental and Jewish identity?”

      I doubt that a lot of anti-racists even know who the Ainu people are, and think that “unlike America, Japan was always Japanese”.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         Well, you got the Jewish thing backwards, no surprise.  The archeological evidence says that the Jews were actually first the Canaanites who likely overthrew a ruler.  The “Old Testament” was written during the later period of captivity in Babylon for the purpose of united the people.  The Romans named the region Palestine to humiliate the Jews after the Jewish uprising and its bloody suppression in the first, then second century.  The original Philistines were NOT Arabs.  The Arabs were far south in those times and did not come north until the 6-7th century War of Arab Expansion.  Today’s “Palestinians” are Arabs, specifically Jordanians.  The anti-Jewish, anti-Israel Muslim countries surrounding Israel find modern Palestine an effective tool for chastising Israel and Jews.

        Until 1967, there was never a nation called Palestine, no government, not people who called themselves Palestinians.  In fact, the territories in question were not conquered from Yasser Arafat, they were conquered from Jordan.  I have a long essay on this history, but I am not going to post it here as it would require a lot of space.  Suffice it to say, this comment of yours is ill informed and incorrect.

        What I have read about the Japanese Ainu situation is that the Japanese acknowledge their being there first, but the Ainu have been marrying into Japanese families increasingly lately.  A few years ago when I read up on it, there was actually a concern there that the Ainu might disappear completely as a result.  But the Japanese government wasn’t really doing anything specific to preserve them at the time.

        Overall, your point is taken and the ridiculous position of the UN in its statement is obvious.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         Well, you got the Jewish thing backwards, no surprise.  The archeological evidence says that the Jews were actually first the Canaanites who likely overthrew a ruler.  The “Old Testament” was written during the later period of captivity in Babylon for the purpose of united the people.  The Romans named the region Palestine to humiliate the Jews after the Jewish uprising and its bloody suppression in the first, then second century.  The original Philistines were NOT Arabs.  The Arabs were far south in those times and did not come north until the 6-7th century War of Arab Expansion.  Today’s “Palestinians” are Arabs, specifically Jordanians.  The anti-Jewish, anti-Israel Muslim countries surrounding Israel find modern Palestine an effective tool for chastising Israel and Jews.

        Until 1967, there was never a nation called Palestine, no government, not people who called themselves Palestinians.  In fact, the territories in question were not conquered from Yasser Arafat, they were conquered from Jordan.  I have a long essay on this history, but I am not going to post it here as it would require a lot of space.  Suffice it to say, this comment of yours is ill informed and incorrect.

        What I have read about the Japanese Ainu situation is that the Japanese acknowledge their being there first, but the Ainu have been marrying into Japanese families increasingly lately.  A few years ago when I read up on it, there was actually a concern there that the Ainu might disappear completely as a result.  But the Japanese government wasn’t really doing anything specific to preserve them at the time.

        Overall, your point is taken and the ridiculous position of the UN in its statement is obvious.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Stolen land?

    Every nation on earth was founded by conquest, genocide and dispossession of the aboriginal inhabitants and the U.S. is no exception.  Every nation on earth was established and defended by the effective use of force.  This was true yesterday, true today and will be true in perpetuity.

    With that said, it is becoming increasingly clear that American Indians were not the first to enter this continent.  Recent Smithsonian research reveals that Ice Age prot0-Europeans beat the Asians tribes by 19-25 thousand years, ten thousand years before “Native Americans” came over that land bridge.

    http://smithsonianscience.org/2012/03/ice-age-mariners-from-europe-were-the-first-people-to-reach-north-america/

    Shouldn’t the Indians return THEIR land (and casino profits) to the Europeans? 

    Bon

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    The UN?  

    I have nothing but contempt for this vile organization that promotes ‘worldwide redistribution of wealth and technology.’  How about returning the land on Turtle Bay in Manhattan to the Indians and turning the UN building into a casino.  The UN can move to Zimbabwe where it belongs!!

    The UN:  Traded canned food to poor women for sex

    The UN:  Refuses to acknowledge the ongoing genocide against Whites by the murderous black regime in South Africa

    The UN:  Helped Saddam trade oil for weapons while Kofi’s son set up a false front and he and Saddam skimmed off millions.

    The UN:  Places murders butchers on its “human rights” council including some of the worst human rights abusers in the world such as China, Sudan, Ziambabwe, Cuba, Libya, Pakistan, Russia and Congo.

    Dick Chaney was right when he said they  can go **** themselves.

    Bon

    • Periapsis

      South Africa is not the only place where the U.N is behind the ongoing genocide against whites. What do you call the U.S. and NATO bombing cities and civilian populations in Serbia, and protecting the Albanian and Kosovar Muslims?

  • Southern__Hoosier

    “Native Americans have inhabited the area since at least 7000 BC. The Arikara arrived by 1500 AD, followed by the Cheyenne, Crow, Kiowa and Pawnee. The Lakota (also known as Sioux) arrived from Minnesota in the 18th century and drove out the other tribes, who moved west.”

    The first European explorers to see the Black Hills were probably the French explorers François and Louis de La Vérendrye in 1743, Wikipedia

    Since the Sioux didn’t get there till the 18th century, why are we giving it to them? Why not give it to the French, they got there the about the same time. Just remember everything is sacred to the American Indian, especially if it is valuable. 

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       …. or might lead to their political undoing.

    • Zorro

      Just like when fighting those brave Taliban and al Qeada Soldiers in both holes, today. Every piece of ground is sacred to their “Faith” especially when they meet up with the Marines, or an Army Ranger Battalion.

    • Zorro

      Just like when fighting those brave Taliban and al Qeada Soldiers in both holes, today. Every piece of ground is sacred to their “Faith” especially when they meet up with the Marines, or an Army Ranger Battalion.

  • http://twitter.com/lrm65 L Maas

    I live in a small town in central Nebraska. Indians pass through here and stay from time to time. They put their kids in school but don’t make them go, then they move on.

    My mentally disabled son had an indian family move next door to his little house. The indian woman in the family asked my son to mow for them, which he often did for neighbors for a meager $5. After my son mowed, the indian woman told him she would bring his money over later. The next day my son went to collect again and the woman told my son she laid a $5 bill on his porch and it must have blown away.

    Local churches know not to give the indians a handout because they will be back every day. They refuse to assimilate themselves so the government gives them what they want but it’s never enough. In one section 8 house in this town, a group of indians had a campfire in their living room.

    I have no problem returning land to indians but, as other have said here, only if it starts on the east coast – and doesn’t cost me a dime. How about we let them have the UN building?

    • gemjunior

      That is horrible.  I have a disabled son, sometimes it’s not really disabled though in my view, he has Asperger’s Syndrome.  He’s 15, and would be easily taken in by someone like her.  He would also be able to tell her so much more about her tribe, it’s history, significant battles and names of leaders, and a million other things she wouldn’t know.  And that’s not even his field of interest.  Does anyone see how strange that a “disabled” white man has more integrity and is less sneaky?  Plus for every one of his “disabled” poinst she is probably down 2 simple genetics. 

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       The situation with Amerinds has been the same since day one.  They let Europeans in because they liked their gifts.  They had no concept of land ownership (and used to be proud of that until very recently when they figured out that that was not a useful  virtue).  Historically, it was the British who riled up the Indians to attack colonists because they were getting out of their colonial jurisdictions and therefore control.  The French did the same (as allies) during the French and Indian War (my own 5th great grandfather was a French soldier in that war).  This combined with the increased gift giving as a peace making tool and Indians found it a source of easy wealth.

      All the historical evidence we have illustrates the fact that Amerinds have never been people who for example in contrast to hard working English or German cultures, saw the goal in life as building up a community and toiling for future goals.  The point was and still is to life easy, indulge in primitive religious rites and self-serving mythologies, and take the easiest route to their essential needs satisfaction.  There is no mistake in the rise of these large reservation gambling casinos because the Amerinds always liked gambling and such game playing.  The state governments that have allowed these casinos provided a major boon to many Indian tribes, who strangely don’t wish to share their wealth with some of the more remote and poorer tribes as the ones mentioned in this article.

      By the time we get to the 19th century, we have Indian tribes that know that making deals with the government for essentials and luxury goods (why did Indians want White guns, European horses, blankets, cloth, and food?, because it made life easier for them).  So they made treaties based on  receiving these supplies.  In Texas and other Southwest territory, the Indians had learned how to slave trade early on.  So they captured whites (women and children at least, the men were killed outright), and after abuses ranging from anything from the cruelest murder of babies in front of mothers who were most often subjected to repeated series of rapes and beatings would be traded off until a white group or sometimes a governmental group would succeed in buying them back.  During the overland emigration epic that began in 1843, Indians found that the travelers were easy prey for horses, oxen and other goods.  In Minnesota, the 1862 massacre of settlers occurred after a long delay in treaty supplies due to funding; the CW in 1862 was hitting the Federal purse hard.  Young men grew restless and went on the war path, first breaking into a store, killed the owner raped his wife, and got drunk.  This began an uprising that saw many whites killed and ended with Indian tribes handing over the chief perpetrators for a mass hanging.  (This is the subject of a new PBS documentary that will no doubt revise it to PC standards).  The resultant revenge attacks by the U.S. Cavalry volunteers led to the final stage of the Indian Wars in the 19th century.

      History is rightfully divided into epochs.  One prominent 20th century historian wrote for example that the 20th century did not really begin until the advent and use of the Atomic Bomb at the end of WW2.  The world was still politically and even technologically more in the 19th century.  (When I lived in the Balkans, I was struck with the idea that these were essentially 19th century people).  The historical epoch of the Western Expansion is long passed.  The governments of many states and the Federal government also have long ago compensated them for and the problems that remain are social ones.  Indians always have had problems dealing with the rules and strictures of white civilization and are also typically genetic alcoholics.  They don’t have disciplines in their culture for learning, behaving, managing, or the things that Europeans take for granted and still mistakenly project onto other peoples.  So Indians typically like  to consume and take their ease.  They get fat, abuse substances have mental issues.  They have a long time bad habit of blaming “the white man” for all their failings.  They enlarge their historical issues.  The Trail of Tears” was nothing compared to for example “The Battan Death March.  For example, white soldiers carried sickly women and children on their saddles.  Kit Carson’s tactics in containing the Navaho was in response to complaints from other Indian tribes who were the constant victims of Navaho’s who like the Sioux to the north were the traditional raiders of more peaceful, settled tribes.  Libby Custer noted in her book, “Boots and Saddles” that the (Plains Indian) men had skinny arms and were undeveloped compared to whites because the women did most of the work.   A good book on the history of white captives in the 19th century is Michno’s “A Fate Worse than Death.”  Both of the Custer’s books are considered historical materials as they were the first and most credible witnesses of Indian life and behavior during the period cover.  Anyone who sets to read G A Custer’s “My Life on the Plains” will learn that Custer was a well educated, articulate, and objective reporter.  His book is considered a source book by serious scholars and the Smithsonian.

      I think that most white Americans, even conservatives are sympathetic to our Amerinds.  It is just that when these old ploys are used and enlarged by them, some of us find it hypocritical and typical of people who want more handouts as a cultural habit.  The sad fact is, no matter how much we try to help, it usually goes wrong because our way of rehabilitating doesn’t work on people whose central culture is not “wired” to respond to such interventions and assistance.  That some people in our present administration are seeming to respond to the ridiculous suggestions of a fairly useless institution, known for its biases only illustrates how desperate they are in an election year.  Of course, they secretly know that no such land “returns” would or could ever happen.  The countries who representatives are suggesting this have to know that the resulting and immediate economic collapse would affect them harshly too.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    they have been here longer than we have .  :)

    “Some of the earliest humans to inhabit America came from Europe according to a new book Across Atlantic Ice: The Origin of America’s Clovis Culture. The book puts forward a compelling case for people from northern Spain traveling to America by boat, following the edge of a sea ice shelf that connected Europe and America during the last Ice Age, 14,000 to 25,000 years ago.

    Across Atlantic Ice is the result of more than a decade’s research by leading archaeologists Bruce Bradley of the University of Exeter in the United Kingdom, and Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C. Through archaeological evidence, they turn the long-held theory of the origins of New World populations on its head.”

    Bon

  • Jim

    And will James Anaya be giving HIS property, house, land back to the Indians?

    Oh, wait a minute…James Anaya IS an Indian, or part Indian, so I guess it doesn’t apply to him.

    Funny how that works.

  • Guest

    Technically speaking, WE don’t “own the land,” either. The feds own something like thirty per cent of the land in the entire country and the rest, I suppose, is divided up between state governments, cities, towns, big agribusiness, corporations and private individuals, most of whom probably only own an acre or two, if that. The sorry fact of the matter is that the tribes own and control more land than your average American.

    • Pandemonium

      You are right. You have probably what’s called a fee simple “title” to your land. Try not paying taxes on your land and see who “owns” it.

  • mobilebay

    The only thing this country needs to return are the many illegal invaders to their own countries.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DFC73YYAKSHGIE32R4T3TFAEHI No

    I don’t think there’s any question that whites stole indian land.  Nature’s law – the superior species, tribe or man will always conquer the inferior.

    As for “breeding out” . . . personally, I believe that if you’re 7/8ths white . . . then you’re white.  Others would call that an octoroon.  Who knows?

    • Alexandra1973

      I consider myself white.  Definitely.  Yet there’s a hint of Amerind in my eyes.  In fact I got made fun of for having Japanese-looking eyes, go figure.

      A full half of my heritage is Eastern European (Poland, Belarus).  The rest, NW European.

  • Zorro

    Why didn’t you respond with, “How do you like our cars and beer, Eskimo?”

    • gemjunior

      That would have been sweet. Maybe add “I see you don’t partake of the pale face’s tooth doctor and soap”.

  • Zorro

    Read up on Agenda 21.  

    • Snowhitey

      Agree.  I know all about Agenda 21.  The hard problem is getting others to understand that the threat is real and is being implemented as we type!

  • Zorro

    General William Tecumseh Sherman, the Northern Civil War hero,  handled things quite differently.

  • WhitesRdumb

    The United Nations building in New York is built on Indian burial grounds.  I guess it is time to remove it.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       Great notion making a great point.  Let’s get a petition up.

  • WhitesRdumb

    Whites exploit whites as well. I have been cheated by more white skinned people than dark skinned people. One reason may be that I don’t associate with dark skinned people.

  • MissBonnie123

    No, but nobody alive today decimated the Indians back then.

  • Berkeley Redneck

    Were the Indians justified in decimating the Solutreans?

  • Blaak Obongo

     Were the Soviets” justified” in decimating the Russian people?

    Was Napoleon “justified” in slaughtering as he marched across Europe?

    Was Sherman “justified” in his campaign of terror in Georgia?

    Were the Vikings “justified” in murdering their way across France and England?

    These things are historical events, and unless you have access to a time machine, cannot be changed, much less “justified.”  Had I been present when the Indians were being subdued, I would have objected.  But I wasn’t, and the game is over now, and there’s nothing I can do about it.  No one, least of all me, has any reason to care about whether or not these past events were “justified.”

    What can be changed is the present, and what the present is offering us is genocide of Whites and White displacement.  There is something I can do about that.  What did or did not happen to the Indians–or why–is irrelevant.  I find the looming decimation of my own people completely unjustified.

  • MissBonnie123

    My fear is that during the second Obama Administration the southwest will be given to the Mexicans and the southeast will be given to the blacks.

    You are correct. Time to make escape plans.

    • BannerRWB

      Those groups won’t have to be given anything.  At the present rate, all they will have to do is wait a few decades and just declare “home rule” ethnostates for themselves, and no one will be able to take it from them.  I would give up those areas now for a Whites only ethnostate across the northern portion of the U.S., as that is to where we will be making our escape in the long run anyway.

  • xxxtonygunsxxx
  • JohnEngelman

    I do not feel guilty about the situation of blacks in the United States because by every criterion I can think of American blacks are better off than African blacks. I do not see how American Indians have benefited from the invasion of the New World by whites. 

    • BannerRWB

      I wouldn’t call it a benefit, but the fact that Whites didn’t commit genocide against all of them was probably seen by those who survived as a good thing.  To be certain, the issue at hand in this article is not being presented by groups who suffered total extermination, so, I would ask, just why is it that we have this problem?  If you think I am advocating for genocide, you are wrong.  I would though (as I have mentioned earlier in this thread), make this a basic case for the establishment of ethnostates around the world.  With such a plan in place, it becomes incumbent upon all the worlds powers to refrain from further migrations of people from their homelands, to where they invade the lands of others.  True, it would have its own issues, but the current world policy of “free trade” and the mass movement of peoples have always led, and will again lead, to mass human conflict.  It seems to me we can do better, and having guaranteed ethnostates would be a good start.  As for American Blacks, I would say they need their own homeland as well, as until such time as they have one, they will remain a lost tribe of the world.

    • Pandemonium

      The Indians “benefitting” from the invasion of Whites into North America was not part of the agenda.

      We owe the Indians nothing. We owe the Blacks nothing. We owe no other race anything.

      We owe our race loyalty. Full stop.

    • Ingsoc

      “I do not see how American Indians have benefited from the invasion of the New World by whites.” 

      The first Americans were stone-age Europeans, according to recent archeological evidence. It’s been in the papers the past few months. Didn’t you get the memo?

      These Europeans, who were the first people on the continent, ended up getting massacred by the Asians (“native” Americans to leftists) that crossed into America 10,000 years later.

      I have a question for you Engelman:  

      When did you become such a White hater?

      You win the prize again: You are officially now a militant idiot of the anti-White kind.

  • gemjunior

    Me too.  I’m getting a fat settlement from them.  And no thanks to them AT ALL for teaching everyone seamanship, weaponry, trade, and other stuff.  Like chain mail.  Just give me the $$$ I’m a victim, weep weep po po pitiful me…..

  • Jimmy Fisher

    Give it back?

    I’m pretty sure we traded blankets and shiny beads, fair and square for all that land.

    A deal’s a deal.

  • Denise

    My first thought is, who does the UN think they are? They got on my wrong side when I was five years old. Remember Trick or Treat for UNICEF?
     
    John Smith’s post below is very thoughtful. I agree with him; Native Americans got the short end of the stick. I don’t think giving them more land would solve their problems. Alcoholism, diabetes, and unemployment would not go away with more space. Those are difficult things to turn around.
     
    They do have an advantage that I would give my eyeteeth for right now; each tribe is a sovereign nation. Essentially, each reservation is a small ethno state. To be a member of a Native tribe, or nation, there is a minimum blood quantum required. Nations are in the blood.  For those of us who are contemplating a White ethno state this should be of interest to us. The United States Federal Government has set a precedent by recognizing that nations are in the blood.
     
    I encourage you to scroll down and read the excellent post by bannerRWB regarding ethno states. My thoughts exactly, except he or she has put it much more eloquently and thoroughly than I have.

  • Zorro

    How many muskrat and beaver pelts would that be?

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     Read “A Fate Worse than Death,” by the historians Michno.  Also, if you read “The 10,000 Year Explosion” you will realize that a great part of what happened was biological destiny working and it is hardly right to blame whites because they had to suffer through the same disease purges that Amerinds did later.  It’s what they did because of them that made the difference and marks the difference.  If you like your horse, your gun, your pick-up truck and quads, along with everything else, you ought to thank the white man, not demand more “compensation.”  Get with it, get an education and a job, or admit that you are a primitive person of a primitive people that requires enternal assistance from superior people.

  • Athling

    1) The UN operates under the graces of the U.S.A.
    2) The indians had no concept of land ownership and were primarily living as wandering nomads, pillaging along wherever the spirit lead them.
    3) It is absolutely stunning what the Indians have today — free fully funded education to the university level, fully funded medical care, all tribe members recieve a percentage of casino profits, and on and on, including affirmative action on top of everything else.

    Unless were talking about a broken treaty here with the U.S. Govt. then all I can see is the old familiar African shakedown routine.

  • Athling

    1) The UN operates under the graces of the U.S.A.
    2) The indians had no concept of land ownership and were primarily living as wandering nomads, pillaging along wherever the spirit lead them.
    3) It is absolutely stunning what the Indians have today — free fully funded education to the university level, fully funded medical care, all tribe members recieve a percentage of casino profits, and on and on, including affirmative action on top of everything else.

    Unless were talking about a broken treaty here with the U.S. Govt. then all I can see is the old familiar African shakedown routine.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     They already do have great reservations.  I think it is an enviable lifestyle – potentially.  I would rather hike, hunt and fish, play with all the RVs the government provides, dance my native dances and such on the vast tracts of land.  Most whites are stuck in cities or suburbs and doing the above activities is a maybe once in a while, or never event.  It is not anyone’s fault that Amerinds cannot keep themselves healthy and occupied.  The more we throw money at them the worse the problem gets.  They are from a different cultural psychology. 

    I had a couple Sioux brothers as friends in high school in California in 1970.  (They had French surnames like me).  After graduation in 1971 they invited me to travel to these very Sioux reservations with them. They told me that the government provided lots of toys, like snowmobiles and such and it was a great time.  We would play with them, crash them, whatever, there were always more, and get drunk.  I was busy with other activities and I wasn’t sure I wanted to get into all that, so I never took them up on it.  But you see the point I am making.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     They already do have great reservations.  I think it is an enviable lifestyle – potentially.  I would rather hike, hunt and fish, play with all the RVs the government provides, dance my native dances and such on the vast tracts of land.  Most whites are stuck in cities or suburbs and doing the above activities is a maybe once in a while, or never event.  It is not anyone’s fault that Amerinds cannot keep themselves healthy and occupied.  The more we throw money at them the worse the problem gets.  They are from a different cultural psychology. 

    I had a couple Sioux brothers as friends in high school in California in 1970.  (They had French surnames like me).  After graduation in 1971 they invited me to travel to these very Sioux reservations with them. They told me that the government provided lots of toys, like snowmobiles and such and it was a great time.  We would play with them, crash them, whatever, there were always more, and get drunk.  I was busy with other activities and I wasn’t sure I wanted to get into all that, so I never took them up on it.  But you see the point I am making.

  • Athling

    The Indians the Europeans encountered during the early years of the westward expansion were particularly uncivilized, many of them being cannibals.

    Thomas Jefferson spoke of them in the Declaration of Independence;

    He [the King of England] has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

  • Athling

    The Indians the Europeans encountered during the early years of the westward expansion were particularly uncivilized, many of them being cannibals.

    Thomas Jefferson spoke of them in the Declaration of Independence;

    He [the King of England] has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

  • Cecilhenry

    When you address and account for the dispossession of Europeans in their lands and the prosperity they created, then you can talk about Indian dispossession.

     

  • RememberVienna

    Are these Whites or Amerindians?

    • Jupiter7

      RememberVienna

      Great Question. A a certain point in time I would call them White. Give you an example. Some of you may be viewers of the Discovery Channel Show about Cajun alligator hunters. There is a father and son team of alligator hunters in the Bayou who are part of an Ameridian American tribe. They both call themselves Native Americans. They both have blond hair and blue eyes.

      I think many of us here accept the fact that there are thousands of Native Born White Americans who have Ameridian ancestry..including some of the Native Born White American Patriots who post here. I’m not making a case for miscegenation with blacks,asians and hispanics. The Ameridan-European situation is somewhat different because of 500 hundred years of contact…possibly 10-20 thousand years  of contact. Larger point:there is a larger population of Native Born White Americans who have either a highly diluted or o Ameridan genetic ancestry. The grey boundary of Native Born White American genetics does not define the core..and we can insist on this. It is not up to liberal-leftists to define who we are. Black youth single us out for execution on a daily basis because we are Native Born White American…post-1965 nonwhites..including Meso-American Ameridians South of the Border..single us out for race-replacement and violence because we are Native Born White American.

  • Rocktot

    Didn’t you hear about Pepsi?? You may not want to. Alex Jones has it on his site.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     I know at least that the Bilderberg is a private hotel on private land.  Some of these world manipulators meet there to discuss things on occasion.  At best, this is conspiracy theory stuff because in all the years of the meeting, none of the predictions of rags like The Spotlight have come to be.  However, the land the hotel is on is in Belgium and again,  privately owned.  Give it back to – who?

  • Sheila Dinehart

    By all means, give it to them.

  • Pandemonium

    This is a completely disingenuous claim that the UN and the Indians make. In the first place, the Indians could never describe the “lands they own” to the satisfaction of any court. 

    Secondly, no peoples on earth can definitively say that “they” were the first people to occupy any land anywhere.

    The rule is: If you can take it, and hold it, it’s yours.

    So the UN, the Indians, and everyone else should shut up and face reality.

  • Pandemonium

    No one believes that there is an agenda to merge Mexico, US, and Canada. However when I first read about years ago on the internet, I found a white paper on no less a web site than the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) called THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION. This paper was available for download from the site, and I have a copy. It is no longer available from the CFR website, but you can be sure that the initiative moves forward. It spells out in detail the creation of an economic and cultural union of the three countries mentioned above. 

    Now, read up on the Trans-Texas Corridor. That corridor is part of the infra-structure that will tie Mexican ports to inland ports within the US. 

    This concept also explains the otherwise inexplicable open border between Mexico and the US.
    That would be facilitating the “cultural” union of the three countries.
    People seem loathe to believe that the Power Elite will have their way, and they care not what we want, think, feel, etc. 

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

       No one?  If one doesn’t believe it, then one isn’t paying attention.

      North American Union = Flood America with Mexicans and flood Canada with Mexicans until all North America is one big Mexico.  The perfect atmosphere for record profits.

      • Pandemonium

        Ok, some believe. But many people immediately put you in the category of a kook conspiracy theorist when you mention something like the North American Union. At least that has been my experience when trying to discuss it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MMIG34TVH4XVC2JUJZQBVSEY6Y Dan

    When will our kinfolk receive the casinos owed to us?

  • Pandemonium

    Dogs bark, birds fly, grass grows.

  • kamarasune

    You could say the same about Europeans in Spain, France, and Germany. Your point is nothing but a desperate grab to justify disenfranchising Native people…..