Choe Sang-Hun, New York Times, November 2, 2009
{snip}
{snip} [R]ival political parties in Parliament have begun drafting legislation that for the first time would provide a detailed definition of discrimination by race and ethnicity and impose criminal penalties.
For Mr. Hussain [Bonogit Hussain, a 29-year-old Indian man], subtle discrimination has been part of daily life for the two and half years he has lived here as a student and then research professor at Sungkonghoe University in Seoul. He says that, even in crowded subways, people tend not sit next to him. {snip}
{snip} Mr. Hussain said in an interview, “Whenever I’ve walked with Ms. Hahn or other Korean women, most of the time I felt hostilities, especially from middle-aged men.”
South Korea, a country where until recently people were taught to take pride in their nation’s “ethnic homogeneity” and where the words “skin color” and “peach” are synonymous, is struggling to embrace a new reality. In just the past seven years, the number of foreign residents has doubled, to 1.2 million, even as the country’s population of 48.7 million is expected to drop sharply in coming decades because of its low birth rate.
{snip}
Ms. Hahn said, “Even a friend of mine confided to me that when he sees a Korean woman walking with a foreign man, he feels as if his own mother betrayed him.”
{snip}
“Our ethnic homogeneity is a blessing,” said one of the critics [of the proposed law], Lee Sung-bok, a bricklayer who said his job was threatened by migrant workers. “If they keep flooding in, who can guarantee our country won’t be torn apart by ethnic war as in Sri Lanka?”
Original article
(Posted on November 3, 2009)
Comments
I know for a fact that a number of Asian men bitterly complain about White men dating and having sex with their women. In fact, I have overhereard conversatons discussing this topic.
Darker skinned races leeching off the lighter skinned ones. What else is new? They want your jobs, your education, your facilities, and your women. I guess the pale-skinned people to the east feel the same way that we do. I show supreme respect to those that show nationalism of any kind. It just spits in the face of the zeitgeist. And I’m certainly going to go out standing up, not on my knees, like the billions of lemmings in the world, as they get consumed into the brown swarming vortex of globalism.
““Our ethnic homogeneity is a blessing,” said one of the critics [of the proposed law], Lee Sung-bok, a bricklayer who said his job was threatened by migrant workers. “If they keep flooding in, who can guarantee our country won’t be torn apart by ethnic war as in Sri Lanka?””
Perhaps it is time to start writing about the death of the free and advanced East.
Hi
If the USA had to elect a non-White president it is a shame they did not elect a South Korean or Japanese. One of those types might be able to show Whites that they don’t have to feel guity about being a people.
Despite the tsk-tsk, shamey-shamey tone of the article toward the Koreans for their “racist” attitudes, I think the bricklayer quoted at the end has a very good point. Why do the multi-culti crowd always think that a nation with overwhelming percentages of (relatively) light-skinned people — like European countries, or East Asian ones — has a moral obligation to darken itself up by admitting hordes of the swarthy from overseas? Why don’t they ever decide that Nigeria is much too black, and should admit millions of Caucasians?
How come non-whites are not shunned for wanting racial purity and racial homogenity, but we are?
The S. Korean women make it a point to go after foreign men, especially white men from the US. They simply want out. The fact that their men treat them horribly just adds to the problem. Does this mean American whites should seek out Korean women? No. The remarks the Korean men make about foreigners are the types of remarks that all whites should be making here in the US, the type of mindset whites should have. Some do have this mindset despite the 24/7 barrage of race-mixing propaganda from the elites and their blow-horn media.
Nelson,
The point here is that men from every race should be bitter/enraged when outside men date and have sex with their women.
White men should not keep their disapproval to themselves. They should be public.
A good test for whether this process should go further is to decide on what to name the indigenous Korean people. There will be Indo-Koreans, Afro-Koreans, Muslim Koreans, and then what … True Koreans, Korea-Koreans? Names are important so if Korea can’t get this right then Korea is heading toward big problems.
I’d also recommend dissenting Koreans form organizations to halt this process and to defend the ethnic identity of indigenous Koreans. It can’t be assumed that politics will get the job done. Massive public opinion opposing the changes will not be sufficient to stop the process. Leaders and organizations are necessary. Foreign organizations like AmRen or the BNP should offer to help since we would benefit if Korea took the lead in stopping the descent into multi-racialism.
Once we’re gone, they’re going to start calling the half-Asians the racist ones. Because once the half-Asians start breeding with each other it’s bound to pop up some blonde haired highly intelligent types. Sigh.
I’m one of those half-Asians. I’m a race realist. Whites really need to get their stuff together. And stop mixing with Asian women already. What the hell am I supposed to do now? Go to Asia? they don’t like me because I’m a Westerner, or at least look like me. I can’t marry a white either, because that’s inherently wrong.
Jeez, people, think before you miscegenate. It’s really pathetic.
Wayne Engle (#6) makes a good point. I made a similar point on the GOP discussion board - which is anti-white. I pointed out that, if racial diversity is a good thing, we should want it for Africa as well (as long as we’re sending billions in foreign aid). The only coherent response: there is plenty of diversity among black Africans already. To which I responded: there is plenty of diversity among whites as well, and yet that diversity is never officially recognized. At that point I was banned from the forum.
Well, what the article doesn’t mention is that S.Korea’s immigration laws are very strict. They don’t let in immigrants unless they have a high educational status or are at the least students. In such a tiny country, even a small number of unskilled, low IQ immigrants can cause huge social problems.
If only we had their problems! Korea is still 98% ethnically Korean.
Just looked up demographic stats provided on a couple of other sites…
Wikipedia gives the 2009 population of South Korea as 49.5 million, with 1.1 million foreigners, or 2.2 % of the population. 56% of those are from China, 31.7% of whom are ethnically Korean citizens of the PRC. That’s pretty nearly 200,000 and brings the number of ethnically non-Koreans in South Korea to about a million or a little less.
Not exactly a flood.
Imagine my surprise to find further that 41% of new marriages with Korean farmers in 2006 were with women from southeast Asia! Apparently it is only foreign men that disgust Koreans.
Of course, it is far better to prevent a flood than to try to undo one, so the apparently unwarranted concern of Koreans about their still very healthy ethnic homogeneity is not entirely foolish but that is not even the issue of the bill currently before the Korean parliament.
They are not debating whether or not to allow any more foreigners into the country, but how to clarify the legal boundaries of the treatment of those who are there.
Asian countries are nothing like the White ones. They are in no danger of treating minorities with special status and kid gloves. It may well be important for them to clarify that foreigners do indeed have basic human rights, and be sure that those rights are respected.
When I say “basic human rights”, I mean it just like the words say, not like the crazy garbage we have in the USA where those words have been so twisted as to mean that blacks have the presumed right to stick whitey with the bill for as many children as they can produce, all their health care costs, their “rights” to have houses without paying for them (again, the bills are for the whites! ), “rights” to jobs they can’t do and degrees they can’t earn, their “rights” to trial by jury nullifying pals when they commit heinous crimes and all the rest of that garbage, so please don’t be confused. The situation in Korea is quite different.
Again, I’m jealous of their problems (at least this one. For ex., where is the Korean equivalent of Detroit? ). Imagine a 98% white America. If you are having trouble doing that, just take a look at the available demographic statistics for crime, academic performance and the numbers of those productively employed. Consider also Section 8 housing, and the community reinvestment act and its fallout.
As you may have surmised by now, I’m not at all concerned for Korea’s racial “struggle”. They are fine. It is we who are in serious trouble.
I have seen and heard of this sort of thing happening a lot in Korea (I have visisted several times for business). Korean men (particularly older ones, known as ‘adjossi’s’) shouting obscenities at Korean women walking hand in hand with westerners, or when a westerner talks to a Korean woman in public, Korean observers often approach her to ‘talk her out of’ anything she might be considering. Korean parents, too, are known for having major issues with their daughters marrying foreigners - I have several friends who found this out the hard way.
The approach may at times be a bit on the harsh side but I can’t fault the sentiment. Unfortunately for them it looks like the sort of thing that will slowly start dying out with the older generations, and the growing liberalism.
I know for a fact that a number of Asian men bitterly complain about White men dating and having sex with their women. In fact, I have overhereard conversatons discussing this topic.
Well what do you expect. You people don’t like your women going with blacks.
But whites are hypocrites. Because when it comes to interracial sex, white men are the greatest sowers of wild oats in all of human history - they created the Mestizo race, and there is hardly a full blooded indigenous Australian or New Zealand existing these days.
The fact is whites had no compunction in miscegenating other races out of existence.
Now you complain that you are somewhat victims of some vast conspiracy to do away with the white race - which is utterly absurd.
After all there are about 1.1 billion whites in the world, not that far behind East Asians - and a heck of a lot more than blacks.
And if it is Caucasoids against Mongoloids, Caucasoids dominate.
“Our ethnic homogeneity is a blessing,” said one of the critics [of the proposed law], Lee Sung-bok, a bricklayer who said his job was threatened by migrant workers. “If they keep flooding in, who can guarantee our country won’t be torn apart by ethnic war as in Sri Lanka?”
As an Anglo-Saxon I can say that I sympathize with them; I don’t like the sight of foreigners dating Anglo women, and there are far more of them here in the US than in South Korea…
Koreans, Japanese, Chinese and most other East Asians regard their women associating or marrying with Caucasians quite similarly to the manner in which Caucasians react to their women associating with black African males.
It’s natural, normal, and right.
I got a similar reaction while walking around Xi’an, China with a female guide. We were confronted by a Chinese male. I didn’t have a problem with this. The only issue that I have is that alot of these same non-whites males who want to protect their own women, seem to feel that there is no problem with pursuing a White female.
“In just the past seven years, the number of foreign residents has doubled, to 1.2 million, even as the country’s population of 48.7 million is expected to drop sharply in coming decades because of its low birth rate.”
Thus marked the beginning of their decline.
They should have just adopted the Japanese aproach. That is, when the UN suggests something stupid, say ‘yes yes of course’ and then go back to ignoring them.
“Mr. Hussain [Bonogit Hussain, a 29-year-old Indian man], subtle discrimination has been part of daily life for the two and half years he has lived here as a student and then research professor at Sungkonghoe University in Seoul.”
Why doesn’t Mr. Hussain just leave and go back to native India? Why do these types never leave? Are all the high I.Q advanced races doomed to be swarmed by low I.Q primitive hordes? Will there be no civilized orderly civilizations left?
Interestingly, the name is “Ms. Hahn”. I went to high school with a girl named Nancy Hahn, whose parents were immigrants from Korea. She told me that Hahn was simply the German word for rooster (which, of course, I already knew), and meant that she was descended from a German sailor who had jumped ship in Korea a couple of hundred years earlier. Certainly the spelling “Hahn” seems to imply German rather than East Asian origin.
John Liu,
Why are you so hostile? Most of us are expressing sympathy towards the South Koreans who are experiencing the early stages of demographic displacement. I for one sympathize with them, and feel outraged at the UN’s attempts at breaking down their notions of ethnic homogeneity.
And you speak of whites as if the entire race plotted to create the Mestizo race, which is not true, it was a group of conquistadors, who did not get any endorsements from the rest of white people. And we whites were subject to racial miscegenation long before any European colonization, read about the Moor invasions, or the Mongols.
As far as a conspiracy goes, this article makes me realize that the conspiracy is no longer against the white race alone, but against all races and ethnic groups. Right now white countries are primarily targeted, but now East Asian countries are on the chopping block. Soon the globalists will break down all ethnic identities by flooding every country will foreigners, and thus they will achieve the dream of one race of people. So much for diversity.
And why do you say Caucasoids dominate? In what?
John Liu is a race mixer himself, with a White wife, or so he has written here. I would guess that his hostility towards Whites is a matter of envy.
Interestingly, the name is “Ms. Hahn”. I went to high school with a girl named Nancy Hahn, whose parents were immigrants from Korea. She told me that Hahn was simply the German word for rooster (which, of course, I already knew), and meant that she was descended from a German sailor who had jumped ship in Korea a couple of hundred years earlier. Certainly the spelling “Hahn” seems to imply German rather than East Asian origin.
No, it’s native Korean (Han), just spelled with an extra “h” to emphasize that the “a” is long. The Parks in Korea aren’t descended from some English sailor; it’s actually “Pak”.
The Moor invasions, or the Mongols.
Moors were of Berber (or Arabized Berber) origin which didn’t produce any racial admixture as Arabs in those times were completely Caucasoid, unlike North Africa today.
Mongol impact in Eastern Europe is negligible (far smaller than 1%). A lot of papers prove it, just google it.
24 — Allan wrote: Interestingly, the name is “Ms. Hahn”. I went to high school with a girl named Nancy Hahn, whose parents were immigrants from Korea. She told me that Hahn was simply the German word for rooster (which, of course, I already knew), and meant that she was descended from a German sailor who had jumped ship in Korea a couple of hundred years earlier. Certainly the spelling “Hahn” seems to imply German rather than East Asian origin.
Interesting, but highly dubious. Han is VERY East Asian. Yes, Hahn does mean rooster (in German that is, nor Korean). But (having an interest in onomastics, the etymology of names), I doubt a German origin for any Korean name. First, there wouldn’t have been any German sailors going there “a couple of hundred years ago”. That’s historically improbable at a time when Germany was composed of many small disunited principalities (until 1870). No German ships (even if they existed) would have been going there; they wouldn’t have been allowed. Korea, known as “The Hermit Kingdom” was not opened up to foreigners until the late 1800s (when it came under Japanese control, but still not to others).
The Korean naming system is also very different from the European. There are only about 250 Korean family names in current use: the three most common being Kim, Lee, and Park, which are used by half the population. Names tend to be very simple monosyllables. Like Han. There are only about a dozen two-syllable surnames, and rare, all of which rank AFTER the 100 most common surnames.
Hahn, (Han, Hann, Hahm,Hamm and other variants) is a regular Korean name with 3/4 of a million people carrying it. That would be a lot of descendents for one German sailor, even a rooster! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Korean_family_names
The Korean language doesn’t use the Roman alphabet, so names get “romanized” when transferred into English orthography. Also, names in Korea, by law, must be taken from an officially restricted list. This makes a Korean name of German origin extremely unlikely. Not even that.
And remember that there are Han Chinese too, and a Han dynasty. Much more significantly, the Han River , a major Korean river, flows through Seoul, a far more likely origin. Seoul is in the Han valley. There are lots of other possibilities — Han is such a simple word. And in former times when most people were illiterate, a little “h” here or there meant very little. Koreans wouldn’t know how to spell a German name, nor would they use it. I don’t see any German connection. She was feeding you a fanciful story.
16 — John Liu wrote:I know for a fact that a number of Asian men bitterly complain about White men dating and having sex with their women. In fact, I have overhereard conversatons discussing this topic.
“Well what do you expect? You people don’t like your women going with blacks.”
I happen to agree with you, Mr. Liu. In fact there are many posts here, one after another, expressing strong sympathy with Koreans. And when the topic comes up here, there are always similar posts supporting the Japanese. And, yes, the Chinese too.
True, Europeans [some] have mixed with other peoples around the world, wherever they found them (such as Latin America)…. just as the Chinese have also done when in other places (such as Latin America).
However, we (at Amren) are not responsible for what OTHER people do, or have done, as we do not control their behavior, only our own. But we frown on it.
By the way, haven’t you said you’re in an inter-racial marriage? The rest of us may honestly disapprove of racial mixing, without being “hypocrites” as you call us. We are not being hypocritical for other people’s actions, but you’re in no position to cast stones at others for having done what you are doing now.
John Liu is a race mixer himself, with a White wife, or so he has written here.
True. And if there really was a plot to miscegenate the white race (or any race for that matter) out of existence, then that would be wrong.
No problem in any two individuals finding and loving each other though.
But naturally in most cases, most people will marry people similar to themselves - this applies even to people from different regions in China - although of course to a lesser degree than it would to racial differences.
Thus no legal prohibitions are necessary against interracial relationships - because naturally they would be the exception, not the norm. And for those exceptions, in a normal society, that should be OK.
But the way things are now interracial relationships are pushed in the media, pushed by Hollywood, and are made to seem ‘cool’, young people are actually making dating decisions based on race - which is racist.
But this of course is not just a new thing. Operas and movies about white men involved with Asian women, have been around for many years - from Madam Butterfly, to Sayonara, to the Karate Kid, whites seem never to have had much problem with this.
WN bemoan, justifiably, the propaganda enticing white women to mix with black men. But yellow men have been the victims of this sort of thing for years - at the hands of whites.
When I see the same outrage from White nationalists over white males with asian women, that I see over white women with black men, then I will stop calling some here hypocrites.
Reply to Ching Lee:
That’s interesting. I too have often wondered about this Liu character. He is a strange duck. He seems to have some pathological problems with White people. A handful of Conquistadors no more represent the White race then a Mafia family represents all of Italy. The homeland of the Conquistadors endured 700 years of Arab and Moorish conquest and enslavement before Cortez got up to speed (you think beautiful European women didn’t get dragged into some Arab’s harem Liu?). Look at what the Barbary pirates did to so many Europeans. How about the 500 year enslavement of the Balkans by the Ottoman Turks? Look at all the six-year old male children stolen from their vilages in the Balkans to become Janisarries and later used to kill and opress their own people. You think the Russians enjoyed being conquered by the Mongols? Or that Europe should be grateful to China for the bubonic plague? Or SARS? You say there are almost as many Whites in the world as Asians. BALONEY. You cite no facts for your 1.1 billion figure (never mind the very low White birthrates). But China alone has 1.4 billion people. Adding in Japan, Mongolia, the two Koreas, Philippines, southeast Asians, arguably Indonesia too, and Whites are nowhere in the same numerical quantity as Orientals. I don’t know what your problem is but you contribute nothing to this website and offer no insight.
“You say there are almost as many Whites in the world as Asians. BALONEY.”
Europe: 700 million
Total: 1174 million - over 1.1 billion. I won’t link the sources - the figures are easy to verify.
Number of East Asians in the world i.e. Chinese, Japanese, Koreans (plus maybe some Thais and Viets) - about 1.4 billion.
So whites are playing in the same ballpark as East Asiatics, and both significantly outnumber blacks.
Of course if you want to expand your categorization to lump Indonesians, Filipinos, Malays etc, with Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans, we should then also include South Asians, Arabs, Persians, and North Africans as ‘white.’ After all Zinedine Zidane looks far more ‘white’ than does say Mahatir of Malaysia looks Chinese - and the genetic distance if far greater in the latter case than the former.
Zidane: http://tinyurl.com/ycq6zab http://tinyurl.com/ya3jbnh
John Liu,
I think the reason why many white nationalists bemoan white woman/black man trends is because most white nationalists are male, myself included, and we’re more likely to be sensitive to that combo due to our gender, for it makes us wonder why our own women would prefer men outside their own people. It stings emotionally and also makes us wonder if we are failing them as men.
Interestingly enough, female white nationalists often bemoan the white male/asian female combo, which I think further illustrates my point. The white woman/black man combo stings us white men, just as the white man/asian female stings white women.
Still, I empathize with South Korean men who object to seeing foreigners with their women, and I sincerely hope that they continue preserving their ethnic homogeneity.
I also wish you the best of luck with your marriage, for you are correct that for some interracial couples, it’s not based on media-fed propaganda, but actual love. I recognize that.
And Deniz, I stand corrected, thank you.
The race mixing promoted by Hollywood is primarily White women with Black men, not White men with Asian women. And where was the White male/Asian female matchup in The Karate Kid? It is a peculiarly slanted vision that sees a nonexistent mixed race pairing in a specific movie, but not the obvious message to White women throughout the mass media that mating with Blacks is desirable.
Nature thrives on harmony and symmetry, its only natural that self respecting men ackowledge this instinct within themselves and feel repulsed in seeing their women coupled outside of their kind. Variety within the race is the diversity to be admired not the misceginate variety that confuses and debases the race. Identity and purpose and mental health go hand in hand.
Oh how I love the debates that rage on this site about the East-Asians! Seoul is the world’s second largest city (at least until the next census in Shanghai). South Korea is heavily populated. There is NO ROOM for immigrants just as there is no room in Japan for immigrants. The only place more densely populated than South Korea is its neighbor, China; this and deepening trade ties are why Chinese might find homes in South Korea. I don’t see any “Afro-Koreans” as there is no significant African population in Korea. Perhaps in a generation or two Koreans and East-Asians in general will become pathetic self-loathing nihilists bent on annihilation like Europeans, but in the meantime I don’t see that happening.
John Liu,
John Liu,
If east Asian elites decide to sell their co-ethnics down the river as Europeans have done, they’re even more screwed than we are, long term, barring something like a revival of ethnic nationalism in the west; east Asians are more conformist than we are, and they’ll go like lambs to the slaughter. Look how much more individualist Europeans are, and we’re going like lambs to the slaughter, too. AFAICT east Asian racial integrity is for all practical purposes entirely up to east Asian elites.
Half-Chinese here.
I would really like to thank people like John Liu for what I am and for my brother’s repeated suicide attempts and serious psychological issues. I would like to thank people like him for making my whole life seem like a quandary and never feeling like I fit in. I would like to thank him for making feel as if I never have a country, a family, or a group of people to whom I can turn in case our tenuous society based on unnatural and forced multiculturalism collapses and is consumed, which it will be. I will like to thank him for not knowing quite what my children will look like because my genetics are a complete toss-up. I will like to thank him for having unusual features, having bad posture because my head is too large, my frame is too small, and having a slew of health problems. I would like to thank him for going my whole life being identified as something I’m not: namely, Russian. I would like to thank him for my mother having a Caesarian section THAT LED TO A BLOOD TRANSFUSION THAT led to a Hepatitis infection that KILLED HER WHEN I WAS 14.
And all because my father thought he was “in love” with my mother.
Thanks, miscegenator. You don’t think about these things, do you?
Nonwhiteguilt
Reading your post rather saddened me to learn that being mixed- race has caused you so much pain. Don’t feel bad about yourself for something that’s not your fault.
I don’t believe in miscegenation myself, but have three half-Chinese great-nephews on their mother’s side, who are demonstrating good capabilities with regards to sports. Thomas, the eldest, is a talented rower, both solo and team. Also he passed 13 GCSE exams this year with 6A pluses, 6 straight A’s and one B grade.
They are well adjusted lads and I am proud they’re my great-nephews.
Here are is an article & some photos about him.
http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/peterborough-evening-telegraph-england/mi_7912/is_2008_July_23/city-rowing-pair-strike-gold/ai_n35177658/?tag=content;col1
http://www.peterboroughcityrowing.co.uk/gallery.php?picture=32&page=16
http://www.peterboroughcityrowing.co.uk/gallery.php?picture=33&page=16
http://www.peterboroughcityrowing.co.uk/gallery.php?picture=113&page=9
http://www.peterboroughcityrowing.co.uk/gallery.php?picture=127&page=8
http://www.peterboroughcityrowing.co.uk/gallery.php?picture=126&page=8
He should be easy to pick out - he’s the only Chinese-looking lad among native white Brits.
Try and look at the situation more positively and stop beating yourself up as you have the rest of your life to live yet.
“The S. Korean women make it a point to go after foreign men, especially white men from the US. They simply want out. The fact that their men treat them horribly just adds to the problem.”
What makes you think South Korean men treat South Korean women horribly?
While I have received more than my own share of hate mail for having married a Japanese, it wasn’t received from Japanese men. In fact, I was once told by a Japanese fellow I would make an excellent husband for a Japanese lady. I doubt this is something they say very often.
33 — John Liu wrote at 9:54 PM on November 4:
“USA: 220 million”
That figure is totally wrong. In the US, ‘White’ people number no more than 150 million, and even that is a stretch. Many ‘whites’ in the US have non-Caucasoid ancestry and still ‘pass as white’ for purposes of government classification. Plus, there are all sorts of non-Northwest Europid types who shouldn’t really be classified as ‘white’ at all; heck, some of them are clearly darker than the average East Asian.
Fair-skinned, northwest Europids are a MINORITY in the US…
I’m in complete agreement with A Swain.
You are not responsible for the decisions of your parents, and there’s no need to look upon your existence as a curse. Make the most of your life, perhaps promote awareness of the consequences of miscegenation, if that’s what speaks to you. But don’t hate yourself.
You may have a very important purpose in life.
44 Korean Guy: I’ve never heard that Korean men were unkind to their women, but I may have a clue. This is a generalization, and I apologize to all the cleft-chinned, stubbly-faced, broad-shouldered White guys with Korean wives, but my impression of guys with Yellow fever is that they are kind of soft. Soft White men looking for stereotypically docile Oriental women. Compared to them, a normal Korean man, or a normal White man, might appear a little rough.
John Liu’s remarks come off as an act. I would bet he’s just some white Marxist/elitist who while not seeing himself and his ilk as white, just can’t stand the white race. Period. Whites would have a very hard time “miscegenating” any group out of existence due to our preponderance of recessive vs dominant genes. Some scientists view whites as almost a mutant race. Maybe that’s true. Maybe that’s what makes us so different. Maybe that’s where the apparently higher levels of creativity and ingenuity come from, two qualities that groups that are supposedly overall smarter than whites are can’t match. Maybe they’ll be able to do it through genetic engineering. Maybe.
A Korean guy asks another poster what makes him think Korean men treat their women badly? Aside from the physical abuse on display in Korea (just ask anyone who was stationed there in the military) you have a front row seat in Los Angeles where I am. Asians are always presented as having the lowest crime rates, but while that may be true overall (it’s changing though) they do have higher rates than whites in certain areas. In L.A. Korean men are arrested at a higher rate than whites when it comes to physical abuse of their spouses/girlfriends. One can’t help but notice the Korean men driving around town with their wives sitting in the back seat, no one else in the car, not even a child. I could go on, but you get the idea. For some reason a high percentage of Asian women seem attracted to white men. This is true whether you’re in the US, Asia, Europe, wherever. Some people claim it’s the media, but I doubt that. Some of Steve Sailer’s theories don’t quite cut it either. There are videos on Youtube where Asian women are asked about it, and a lot of them can’t even really explain it other than they just find white men/white skin attractive.
“The leitmotif of those dramas is that they are all tragedies - they do not ‘celebrate’ miscegenation at all.The story usually is of two individuals of completely differing races and backgrounds being drawn into a fatal and doomed attraction with tragic results.”
But the facts are the protagonists are painted sympathetically, and the audience identifies with them - almost in a way similar to Romeo and Juliet - which is also a tale of forbidden love with tragic consequences.
Compare this with the treatment of race mixing between blacks and whites ala “Birth of a Nation.”
The facts are most white guys with yellow women are given a free pass by otherwise racist whites. Consider the fawning over Madame Chiang Kaishek during WWII - who had several affairs with white men - even almost 100 years ago. And even many segregationist whites celebrated their supposed Pocahontas ancestry. White men with Asian or Asiatic women has never really been a big issue throughout American history - but keeping away black men from white women was the original motive behind Jim Crow.
Historama:“Many ‘whites’ in the US have non-Caucasoid ancestry and still ‘pass as white’ for purposes of government classification.”
Ah, so I suppose you adhere to the one-drop rule - in that case perhaps even some of your fellow travellers here would not be able to escape the taint of non-whiteness.
“Soft White men looking for stereotypically docile Oriental women.”
You are correct schoolteacher - on a broad level - white men with Asian women have one common characteristic - they are lack the ability to attract a white woman. These white men can be subdived into two groups (1) those fat balding middle to senior aged guys who collect their wives at the post office, and (2) pimply faced, asocial, computer nerds - it is this second group I think you are referring to schoolteacher.
The men of group one, are in fact quite normal - after all who does not want a younger woman?
But out of the latter group you can get some real weirdos. This one instance in particular in which I urge you all to read about:http://tinyurl.com/yjjwjrv
Nonwhiteguilt:
“I would really like to thank people like John Liu for what I am and for my brother’s repeated suicide attempts and serious psychological issues.”
How on earth am I responsible for your brothers psychological issues? My kids are well-adjusted and doing fine - as are most kids of mixed-parentage I know of.
Perhaps your problems, which are sad, have more to do with circumstances unique to your parents situation, not to all mixed marriages in general.
Your self-hatred is extremely unnatural and unhealthy and I wholeheartedly endorse what A Swain, and John McNeill, have written - get on with and enjoy life and stop beating yourself up for something over which you had no control. That would be the view of the vast majority of people here I am sure.
Furthermore if it makes you feel better, Asian-white mixed marriages are really not that frequent in the overall scheme of things. As I have written above, the white race is not at all in any sort of danger of being miscegenated out of existence - that is a complete fiction.
And this Amren lead article makes clear that:
” the problem is not intermarriage. Only about 1 percent of whites marry outside their race and just 0.4 percent of whites marry blacks.”
Furthermore the writer says:
“Racially conscious whites also object to the small number of white men who go to the trouble and expense of seeking wives in exotic places such as the Philippines and South America. Calling such men “race traitors” only alienates our natural constituents — whites unfamiliar with racial realism but potentially sympathetic to our cause — without establishing a single new white family. Most of these men go overseas because women in more traditional societies are more submissive, more feminine, and give family life higher priority than our women do.”
So there - your father and mother’s decision has not endangered the white race one jot.
http://www.amren.com/ar/2008/06/index.html
And even if it did, your feelings of guilt and worthlessness are completely unhealthy - and I’m sure have root causes that have nothing to do with your take on racial politics. I suggest, in genuine concern, that you seek professional help.
“One can’t help but notice the Korean men driving around town with their wives sitting in the back seat, no one else in the car, not even a child.”
Very interesting!! You look at a car moving along, you notice there are an Asian man and a woman in the car, you somehow automatically find out they are Korean, and that they are a married couple.
I am Korean and I sometimes have hard time differentiating between Chinese/Korean/Japanese. Some people are mixed, with different East Asian ethnicities as well.
You are very interesting…
When I see a car moving along and notice there are a woman and a man in the car…. it might only be for two to three seconds… and the possibilities I could think of are:
1. They might be siblings
And when you see a car moving along you automatically and immediately find out the man and woman are Korean and they are a married couple?
Do you know what comes in my mind? You are assuming too much. And you assume in the way it matches your fantasy and best scenarios.
There are videos on Youtube where Asian women are asked about it, and a lot of them can’t even really explain it other than they just find white men/white skin attractive.
YouTube is never a trustworthy source when it comes to videos that deal with individuals’ opinions.
For example, there are uploaded videos where people say Barack Obama did deserve the Nobel Prize, and also there are videos where people say Obama did NOT do a thing to deserve the prize because he truly did fabulously nothing to help promote peace around the world. (If you want my personal opinion, of course the Nobel prize committee lost all my respect and quite a few of my smart friends’ respect when they decided to give the prize to Obama)
You can find anything that matches your preference on YouTube. Just in case you are wondering, Google(currently owns YouTube) spends 1 million dollars PER DAY to provide sufficient bandwidth for YouTube. That might give you an idea of how many videos are uploaded every half an hour on YouTube. (I also know how much Google spends on their search engine bandwidth, but I will not specify!! :P why not look it up yourself. I can tell you this much though: it is a lot more expensive than the cost to run YouTube.)
The New York Yankees just won the World Series. And there are some videos of fans describing how the Yankees certainly played great, and certainly deserved the Championship, whereas you can also easily find videos where fans say Yankees does not deserve any glory because their 3B Alex Rodriguez used performance enhancing substances and the Yankees simply bought their way into the World Series.
You can find people expressing their support regarding homosexual marriages, and you can also easily and immediately find people expressing their disapproval on that matter.
It is endless.
You can find videos where some Asian girls say they like to date outside their race?
I can find videos of all of the following in 30 seconds -
- videos where some Asian girls say they will only date within their racewomen
I do want to thank you for your input on AmRen. I never come on AmRen to argue with anyone. All I do is I try to give as much information as I have, especially when it comes to matters related to East Asia.
I would have liked to continue and further discuss a few more parts of your post, but if I do, this post will be too long. And I know nobody has all day long to read my posts. I don’t have all day long either.
thanks AmRen.
Fair-skinned, northwest Europids
There is not a such thing “Fair-skinned, northwest Europid” in science.
Fair skinned, northwest Europids are NOT whiter than a lot of people who are swarthier… Swedes are not whiter than the Czechs or Slovaks or vice versa.
Best example from your country: White Americans from the South who are mostly Indian mixed although they are light haired and eyed with fair skin even with freckles.
While Mr. Liu seems to think guys like me “lack the ability to attract a white woman”, and that we’re “soft”, I haven’t had overly much trouble on the first score; I just wasn’t ever very interested in gals with tattoos. As for softness, I am on the Terrorist Watch List, and my file says “firearms expert, explosives expert, chemist, ex-mercenary.”
This is to John Liu:
What about the Mongol invasions in Northern Europe, John?
The truth is, throughout history, White people have very often been the ones being bestowed violence and hardship by non-White races. Yes, we have come to dominate the world, but it was only fair retaliation. And the world has become a more civilized place because of it.
53 — Korean guy wrote at 9:35 AM on November 7:
Very interesting!! You look at a car moving along, you notice there are an Asian man and a woman in the car, you somehow automatically find out they are Korean, and that they are a married couple.
I’m white and have NO trouble differentiating between Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, etc. Maybe because I grew up around them in Los Angeles. Yes, working near and driving through Korea town, one sees a lot of Koreans. And a lot of Korean men with their women sitting dutifully in the back seat of the car. Yeah, whites get all the bad press but it’s the non-whites who are unable to handle any observation that doesn’t kiss their tails. The long winded sophomoric playing off of certain simple truths doesn’t carry much. The fact is a lot, a LOT of Asian women like white men. Don’t know all the reasons why, don’t care. I do know that Asian women have told me that Asian men tend to be tyrants at home, even if mild mannered in public. I don’t know if this is true, don’t care. I think everyone should stick with their own. Here’s a further point you might not like but in fact whites AND blacks in Los Angeles generally consider Koreans to be the rudest of all E. Asians, and the worst drivers, truth be told. Whites have their failings too, but no other group seems to see their own or even have to admit to them. And when confronted with any facts they don’t like or faults they can’t deny, they deny them anyway or come up with rationalizations that don’t cut it.
As for being a Korean who can’t differentiate between Koreans, Chinese, etc, my very Americanized Korean coworker can’t believe that one. I’m not sure I do either.
Michael C Scott: perhaps you are the exception that proves the rule.
Or perhaps you belong to a third category of whites with Asian women: Ninja and martial arts wannabes ala Stephen Segal. Most of these are deluded fantasists.
What about the Mongol invasions in Northern Europe, John?
Indeed. I have never held that whites have a monopoly on vice and non whites on virtue. I just like to point out some small hypocricies on the part of Amren people - especially when it comes to ‘miscegenation.’
John, my only martial art is that traditionally practiced by Western white men for the last 500 years. Sadly, I remain on the US Terrorist Watch List.
Koreans are the rudest among all East Asians? That’s far from truth. Just compare the comments between John Liu and the Korean guy.
Miscegenation is now becoming propagandised via TV in the UK, aimed at indigenous Whites. I doubt, if they are properly aware that it will lead to their becoming a minority in their own homelands and subsequently to their extinction.
Only this month, Channel 4 started a 2 or 3 part programme penned by an Indian female geneticist, exploring whether mixed-race offspring were genetically tougher and more intelligent.
It proves that non-whites of immigrant stock and the overseas student/worker category, having been enabled through preferential treatment to be fast-tracked into college and university places ahead of indigenous White students, and subsequently into high-profile professional positions within the power structure, are now overtly aiding and abetting the Liberal agenda of genocide by stealth, of indigenous White Britons.
When indigenous ethnonationalist parties within EU member states align and consolidate their continent-wide social and political strategies, they will form a block which will cause a regime crisis in the Marxist Liberal elite camp, leading to significant dilution of power or complete collapse. Only then will we see non-whites removed from all authoritative positions including politics because of the obvious dangers they pose to the safety and survival of indigenous White nations.
I do not care that black men consider South Koreans to be the rudest among all East Asians.
And I have been posting on AmRen for the last several years and I have never, ever heard anyone telling me I am rude to anyone on AmRen, and this is the firt time I ever heard either in my real life or on AmRen that Koreans are the rudest among all East Asians.
Except when…. I bragged on AmRen about my beautiful precious iPod and my beautiful designer outfits!! Even then I was not exactly described as a rude person. I just heard I am silly and materialistic.
I do care about what I wear and I always make sure my outfits are always clean. I do not wear Armanis, but I wear Tommy Hilfigers, Banana Republics and Guess? outfits. My iPod ran out of its li-ion battery circulation life long time ago and the extended warrantly also expired!! and after I cried a river for about a week, I bought some other portable music device. I do not own any Nike products. Nike pays about three dollars per pair to factories in China when they get shipped to USA or Canada. Nowadays I wear a pair of Adidas, and those were a present from someone. That’s the only reason I wear them.
Sadly, I remain on the US Terrorist Watch List.
I don’t think ‘sadly’ - you seem to wear it as a badge of honour.
However realistically speaking it is not all that great - there are about a million people on the list.
58-John Liu: «I have never held that whites have a monopoly on vice and non whites on virtue»…
Well, a monopoly, maybe not. But it seems to me as though you’d often want imply that we are like an evil race, responsible for most of the tragedies and the barbarity in human history.
Look, John, it’s not that I’m anti-Asian or anything. To tell you the truth, I think that the cultures of countries of the Far East such as China, Japan, Korea, Viet-Nam (to name only a few) are quite admirable. It,s not with Asians immigrants I have a problem with.
I just don’t want my own country, Canada, and my own kind, to become totally submerged in massive immigration from the Third World and multiculturalism ideology. I believe that to be legitimate.
The Korean media seems to be trying to push multi-culturalism on Koreans. My wife is Korean and watches cable channels that show programming from Korea’s most popular TV networks. Until recently, non whites did not exist on these networks, except on world news. Now there are white characters on the dramas, always portrayed in a positive way. There is also a show that each week features a different couple with a Korean married to someone of a different race. There is also a show where Korean men ask questions to a panel of international women. All of these shows seem to portray whites in a positive way, as if they are trying to send the message to Koreans that they should give up their homogenious society and adopt the multi-culturalism of the west.
