Lewis Beale, Miller-McCune Online Magazine, October 1, 2009
America is disuniting on the basis of race, politics and culture, say the authors of two recent books. Many are fleeing to what one calls “whitopia.”
In Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, where 95 percent of the population is white, Rich Benjamin saw more Confederate flags than black people. Not that Benjamin was looking for suggestions of racism, but in his forthcoming book, Searching for Whitopia: An Improbable Journey to the Heart of White America (Hyperion, Oct. 6), he was trying to discover why some of the fastest-growing areas in America are also the most Caucasian.
“There’s a long-term harm when Americans accept balkanization as a way of life,” says Benjamin, who is an African American. “Segregation can appear to allay social tensions, but it worsens them in the long run. Optimal democracies require more than voting; they require social integration and involvement.”
Benjamin defines Whitopias as towns that are much whiter than the nation as a whole, which means they are more than 75 percent Caucasian. He looked at areas with a population growth of more than 6 percent since 2000, in which the growth was 90 percent white. Then he set out to Forsyth County, Ga., (98,000 people, 684 of them black), St. George, Utah, Coeur d’Alene and other vanilla outposts to find out why folks were moving there.
“There are forces that push people out [of cities and inner suburbs], like diversity and crumbling infrastructure and high home prices,” Benjamin says. “And there are pull factors, like more home for your dollar [in the whitopias], beautiful natural amenities and safety, and the perceived comfort that comes with homogeneity.”
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This situation, Bishop [Bill Bishop, author of The Big Sort] says, has its good and bad points. “The good part is you get this incredible variety from place to place; places zoom off into their own cultural trajectories. But what happens is people lose touch with those who disagree with them. What happens is a nation incapable of compromise; you have this kind of national stalemate.”
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Now that many of those inner suburbs have become increasingly minority, a significant number of whites have fled further out to what Benjamin refers to as “exurban” counties like Forsyth (an hour’s drive north of Atlanta), which are 83 percent non-Hispanic white.
Yet Benjamin says he found “racism without racists” in these towns.
“I very much believe we do have structural racism in our communities, yet we don’t have racists. The good news is we don’t have interpersonal racism. But structural racism is harder to attack.”
Benjamin also notes that a significant proportion of the people moving to these white enclaves are older folks with specific fears and agendas. And the Obama presidency has only heightened those qualms and, in some cases, brought out nativist impulses.
“When you look at the tea bag protests, and the birther movement, this is an existential crisis facing conservative white Americans,” Benjamin says. “They don’t want to expand government dependence, and they link big government to city people and minorities who are perceived to be on the dole. These Americans are fearing where the country is going economically, racially and government-wise.”
That 40 percent of Americans under 24 are non-white, and that whites will no longer be in the majority by 2042, only serves to make this unease more palpable. So in the near future “there may be a democracy gap where older whites, who are more inclined to vote, have the power to determine the outcome of politics,” Benjamin says. {snip}
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In the meantime, Bishop believes that the crazy quilt of cultures and values the big sort has created just “makes any sort of national change harder. We get by, but what we lack is an ability to do things that are transformative. {snip}
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(Posted on October 2, 2009)
Comments
The old adage will always be true - one black family is a neighbor, two is a ghetto. Whites, even the bleeding hearts, know intuitively that blacks in the neighborhood ALWAYS means trouble sooner or later. The patterns of white-flight in one form or another haven’t changed very much in half a century!
“‘There’s a long-term harm when Americans accept balkanization as a way of life,’ says Benjamin, who is an African American.”
Some short-term harms resulting from integration (robbery, burglary, rape, homicide) are more pressing.
Obviously, the next step is to import more minorities into places like Coeur D’Alene, Idaho and St. George, Utah.
For a lib to complain about balkanization is the height of hypocrisy. Would they go to places that have become lib enclaves, such as Boulder, Colorado, that have become liberal enclaves thanks to the vicious cycle of (1) A place being liberal to begin with, (2) Thereby attracting crazier libs, and (3) The place becomes even crazier lib?
BTW, a publication that passes itself off as respectable shouldn’t have editors that approve of insults like “tea bag” as a pejorative entendre for the National Tea Party Movement.
Well everything that Benjamin says is all well and fine and good but I didn’t see where he cited any examples of places or societies anywhere and at any time in history where his vision of a multi-ethnic/multi-racial/multi-worldview society ever played out to be the kind of scenario in which one would “want to raise their children in”.
“There are forces that push people out [of cities and inner suburbs], like diversity and crumbling infrastructure and high home prices,” Benjamin says.
These people speak as if they are talking about a change in the weather. It is not “forces” driving whites. It’s the regressive and barbaric behavior of blacks and Mexicans.
“Vanilla outposts”? Would this writer refer to inner city areas as “chocolate outposts”? He also says that “diversity” is one of the forces pushing Whites out of metropolitan areas. Diversity — that’s Latin for “lawless, shiftless blacks,” isn’t it? Heaven forbid we should say what we really mean, or voice unpleasant, politically incorrect truths!
Balkanization? The Balkan nations got along better when they were separate entities. Having all races and ethnic groups living cheek-by-jowl among each other is not something that will occur without coercion in this country, and the sooner we face up to that, the better.
For 30 years I lived in a ‘mixed’ neighborhood UNTIL I finally got it thru my thick skull that Race does indeed matter. Now I live in a community composed 90% or more of my own Folk. Safer, Cleaner Better all around. My former ‘neighbors’ back in the ‘hood are frankly on their own. I owe them nothing further. 30 years of trying to make the fraud of diversity work to accomodate the dark skinned people is enough for me.
All hail Whitopia, land that I love!
This is still America, and theoretically we have the right to live where we want. If someone doesn’t want to live amongst thuggish suburghetto types, what right does ANYBODY have to try and make me?
The Left sowed the seeds of America’s Balkanization, and a bitter harvest lies ahead for everyone involved. It is the end result of multiculturalism, EXACTLY as those mean old hateful White racists predicted 40 years ago.
I found the following Benjamin quote quite interesting:
“Optimal democracies require more than voting; they require social integration and involvement.”
Yeah? Says who? I happen to believe we had an optimal democracy right here in America until about 1957, and if the USA was still 90% White we would still have one.
Social integration? No thanks, keep it all for yourself Benjamin, and enjoy the societal failure that will result. Meanwhile, I’ll be happily pursuing my own life in Whitopia.
Whitopia? Ha! No such thing. Any place that is all white is by definition racist and needs to be made diverse. The fastest-growing areas in America are not entirely populated by race realists. Many of those places have their fair share of white liberals who insist on living in communities that aren’t 100% white.
Balkanization is used as a pejorative term for a very specific reason. That reason is because it does not refer to the natural segregation of people preferring to live by those similar to them. It refers to the harsh reaction people show towards being made to live in a society they never wished to live in. The current hostile reaction to the changing face of our nation is the result of liberals trying to change our nation into some unrealistic utopia. America could be free of racial tensions if white people were allowed to live as they wish without being insulted. It is possible to live separate from people without hating them. But if you insult people and try to make live like they do not wish to live it is inevitable you will be disliked.
“There’s a long-term harm when Americans accept balkanization as a way of life,” says Benjamin, who is an African American. “Segregation can appear to allay social tensions, but it worsens them in the long run. Optimal democracies require more than voting; they require social integration and involvement.”
The only thing Mr. Benjamin is concerned with is that when whites leave, they take their clean, safe, and prosperous communities with them.
This is a 21st century argument for revitalizing ‘the white mans burden’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man’s_Burden
Mr. Benjamin is keenly aware that without whites, non-whites are a hopeless lot and that the only hope for non-whites is hitch themselves to whites.
This social experiment has failed everywhere, every time and whites no longer want this burden.
To this man, structural racism exists anywhere White people seek self-determination. White people living as White people is racist to him, even if it’s in a place where Whites are native. In their view, it’s simply immoral for us be fee of the burden of non-Whites.
America is disuniting on the basis of race, politics and culture, say the authors of two recent books. Many are fleeing to what one calls “whitopia.”
Note: By “whitopia”, he means those areas where the population is almost entirely working/lower-middle class conservative whites, not where the upper-class Lefty whites who will buy this book live.
“There’s a long-term harm when Americans accept balkanization as a way of life,”
Speaking of the Balkans, I know I’m preaching to the choir here but can someone refresh my memory on which solved most of the conflict in the Balkans:
says Benjamin, who is an African American.
Of course, any book on ‘black issues’ written by a white would have the usual cries of ‘you don’t know what being an ‘African-American’ is like, so you can’t talk about us! ’ occur.
“Segregation can appear to allay social tensions, but it worsens them in the long run.
Ah, engaging in the fantasy that ‘all racism is pre judicial’ I see:
“There are forces that push people out [of cities and inner suburbs], like diversity and crumbling infrastructure and high home prices,” Benjamin says. “And there are pull factors, like more home for your dollar [in the whitopias], beautiful natural amenities and safety, and the perceived comfort that comes with homogeneity.”
Of course, again it’s just a coincidence that “diversity” coincides with “crumbling infrastructure” while “(white) homogeneity” coincides with “beautiful natural amenities”.
“The good part is you get this incredible variety from place to place; places zoom off into their own cultural trajectories. But what happens is people lose touch with those who disagree with them .
Mission-Control-to-Bishop, I’d hate to point out the obvious but…doesn’t that happen anyway?
“When you look at the tea bag protests, and the birther movement, this is an existential crisis facing conservative white Americans,” Benjamin says. “They don’t want to expand government dependence, and they link big government to city people and minorities who are perceived to be on the dole. These Americans are fearing where the country is going economically, racially and government-wise.”
Amend as follows:
And hey presto! You have something that could’ve come out of a 19th Century book on the “Native American decline”.
That 40 percent of Americans under 24 are non-white, and that whites will no longer be in the majority by 2042, only serves to make this unease more palpable.
If 40 percent is admitted to by a government that consistently lies about racial statistics, the actual figure is probably higher. Who knows how much higher.
How then will it take 33 more years to accomplish this seemingly unstoppable minoritization of Whites? It won’t.
Let’s not pretend the inevitable is three decades in the future, that we have years more to ponder and discuss. It’s here and now. If you do nothing else, at least face the demographic realities and plan ahead.
“Segregation can appear to allay social tensions, but it worsens them in the long run.” This fool has it totally upside down. The biggest mistake we made was in banning segregation. The second biggest mistake was elimination of European priority in immigration law. All stupid mistakes from the worst decade in US history, i.e., the Sixties. This author doesn’t get it. Our civilization, white civilization, is better than black or Latino culture. Structural racism is a wonderful thing. May we have more of it. God bless Idaho.
The country as a whole is marching down towards the abese. Political institutions: corrupt and inefficient. economy: trillions in debt with Chinese warning they may not finance the of cards called American economy much longer. socially a mess. demographically: so much diversity that the place looks like more like U.N than U.S. There are serious doubts among many that an Afro Chicano majority nation appearing in two decades will be able to bring America back to prosperity, peace and world stewardship. Even if the country scurvies as one piece it will be some thing between Brazil and hatii.
““Segregation can appear to allay social tensions, but it worsens them in the long run. Optimal democracies require more than voting; they require social integration and involvement.”
Social integration and involvement are recipes for disasters, because there never has been nor will there ever be a multiracial society that is harmonious, nor will there ever be one that is free of conflict, especially if one of the mismatched groups is black.
Why blacks like this one constantly strives for integration is amazing in that his type is usually the first one to complain loudly and often about situations that exist ONLY in multiracial societies.
Every attempt to alter human nature has always ended in disaster, and this social engineerng project in the West is doomed to failure as well. There are so many signs advertising its failure and imminent collapse it’s amazing there is even one person advocating multiracialism.
I wish I could be alive to read the books a hundred years from now trying to explain why absolute fools were able to hoodwink a good portion of elites into believing such nonsense as “diversity their strength.”
I’m pretty sure the multicult leaders will be regarded on a par with the biggest screw ups history has to offer.
Will this ever stop? We have another black man lecturing Whites again! Don’t tell us what to think or how to feel or that we should not feel threatened by the invasion of nonwhites! Nonwhites are a danger to any White society and we see it and live it everyday, so I guess it is all just an illusion and that we should just shut up and hand it all over to the nonwhites who are really just our “equals” and wish us no harm? No thank you!
Would someone please explain to me how a town that is 95% White is somehow “racist” when Whites constitute the vast majority of the population is White and when a town is 95% Black it is somehow something to be preserved. Blacks are only about 13% of the US population so a town that is majority black would be far more racist (and dangerous) than a majority White town.
I would not recommend Coeur d’Alene to anyone who did not have a permanent job offer or a profession in high demand. Anything other than this will have a hard time surviving. My husband and I lived there for several months in 2003 and it was difficult to find a job and a place to live. The locals who have been there for generations hate the newcomers and are often hostile. I have told my husband that CDA was one of the “meanest places I have ever been”. I had people try to start fights with me in the bathroom of a restaurant and had neighbors steal our dog. I would look for a better majority White city.
Not that Benjamin was looking for suggestions of racism
Oh no, of course not.
he was trying to discover why some of the fastest-growing areas in America are also the most Caucasian.
At least they capitalized the word “Caucasian.” However, this next line:
vanilla outposts
…would surely qualify as a racial slur if used to refer to any other race.
There are forces that push people out [of cities and inner suburbs], like diversity and crumbling infrastructure
…which always go together…
and high home prices,”
High home prices forces them out? No, the certain reality of plummeting home values is what does it.
Benjamin says. “And there are pull factors, like more home for your dollar [in the whitopias]
More home for your dollar? You can buy homes for $1 apiece in cities like Gary and Detroit. Nobody wants them. A home isn’t worth a hill of beans if you’re not safe in it.
safety, and the perceived comfort that comes with homogeneity.
Ah yes, it’s only “perceived.” I guess most whites are just living in a dream state.
This situation, Bishop [Bill Bishop, author of The Big Sort] says, has its good and bad points. “The good part is you get this incredible variety from place to place; places zoom off into their own cultural trajectories. But what happens is people lose touch with those who disagree with them. What happens is a nation incapable of compromise; you have this kind of national stalemate.”
Finally, a grain of truth…and it comes from a white author (notice that almost everything from the black author was a slur or dig in some way against whites). The automobile has made it all too easy for white people to run away from the very serious problems confronting this nation, rather than being forced to address them before they become unmanageable, as is now happening in the US. Segregation is also the only thing that makes liberal hypocrisy possible.
Given that blacks and hispanics claim to love their races so much, why would they care about those evil whites separating and living apart from them?
The answer is that many of these nonwhites want to live among us because their own neighborhoods are so unlivable. Their constant whining about being oppressed is a scam that they don’t believe for a second.
Mostly whites, and I bet the standard of living is much higher, the violence crime rate is low (or almost zero), and kids can go to school without worrying about drugs or gangs or being made to feel like “evil racists.”
“Optimal democracies require more than voting; they require social integration and involvement.”
“But what happens is people lose touch with those who disagree with them.”
Mikefromwichita. I was intrigued by your history. I, too, grew up in minority White city (Cleveland, Oh), and while I didn’t have it too bad as a kid, I’d never move my wife and kid down there now. I’m in one of those “inner suburbs” that this black columnist is talking about. The suburb is probably 90% white, a small mix of Chinese, some non-English speaking Eastern Europeans, some Indians, and a small (thank goodness) percentage of Muslims, mainly Arab. I always found it fascinating too, that the media doesn’t talk about blacks not wanting to live with their own kind. They always come out to the White shopping malls, movie theaters, parks. Because we are more civilized. That’s the truth. There are bad Whites, but the percentages are not even close. The ones that keep up their homes and property and are polite… That’s one thing. But it’s when they have cousins who have friends who like to cause trouble. Get your conceal carry. Whites will have to learn how to fire guns again.
I think I’d rather live in a “whitopia” compared to blacktopia, or should I say, “blackdystopia”.
What bothers blacks like Rich Benjamin about “whitopias” in Utah and Idaho is that white people can live amongst each other, thrive, keep a low crime rate, a good economy and good schools.
Blacks are incapable of that and it drives people like Benjamin and other black interlopers crazy! They are insanely jealous!
“What happens is a nation incapable of compromise; you have this kind of national stalemate.”
We’ve been down this road too many times now and too many have caught on. “Compromise” means giving Marxists part of what they demand now so that they can then immediately demand more. Government always wants more of your money and more of your freedom. Every “compromise” is just another loss.
Um, wow. This is nonsense.
I’ve had pregnant relatives chased in the streets, my brother severely beaten, another female relative raped. I myself have had my head busted open by a rock, been targeted for muggings. All by blacks.
And whites are somehow ‘racist’ for not wanting any of this?
Maybe liberal are right. Maybe there’s a reason blacks are angry, maybe it really is the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow and this an d that and some other thing.
But what sane person would want a piece of it? Now this writer is going to find white communities and find trumped up reasons to accuse these people of ‘structural racism.’?
Sick.
Something is wrong. Something is very, very wrong.
I was raised by liberals, taught by liberals, and would really like to be liberal.
Something, however, is wrong.
Help.
Points to ponder!
Has anybody ever read anything a black has written that is about something other than race?
My God, I’m sick to death of listening to all these black lamentations.
Will somebody please tell them once and for all that the majority of them are rude, loud, uncouth, prone to crime and violence, unintelligent to the point of being moronic, and they are so completely different from whites no sane white wants anything to do with them, so stop already with the nitwit solutions to try to finagle into white circles.
It has nothing to do with the color of their skin, although that’s disgusting too. It has everything to do with judging them “by the content of their character.” (And their personalities.)
I’m actually thinking of buying this guy’s book just to get the list of “vanilla outposts”! I’m desperate to escape the “vibrant diversity” of the hellhole in which I find myself. Someone above said Coeur d’Alene is not a good place to live. There needs to be some sort of website where Whites can speak frankly and advise other Whites about places to live.
Good old saying: Good Fences make Good Neighbors. I’ll acknowledge that that is yours; you acknowledge that this is mine. Why can’t we all just get along?
“Structural racism” means “too many white people here, even if they were all polite to me and nobody hurled the N-word at me.”
“There are forces that push people out…”
Marxists love to talk about impersonal “forces of history.” The fact is that we got fed up with living in big, crime-ridden cities where we have to press one for English and constantly be on guard whenever we leave the house.
“Benjamin also notes that a significant proportion of the people moving to these white enclaves are older folks with specific fears and agendas.”
Fear of crime, an overwhelming portion of which is committed by non-whites.
“brought out nativist impulses.” Taken directly from $PLC talking points.
“When you look at the tea bag protests,…”
The only people who called them “tea bag protesters” were Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, and other assorted tittering leftists. They called themselves tea party protesters. Surely the writer believes in calling people what they call themselves, right?
“The automobile has made it all too easy for white people to run away from the very serious problems confronting this nation, rather than being forced to address them before they become unmanageable, as is now happening in the US.”
I have often said that it is no coincidence that the civil rights movement only came along in the 60’s, once america had a good road network and cheap gasoline. There were people agitating for it in previous decades as I understand it, but the movement was always going to be a no-go as long as whites lacked an easy way to escape.
It will be interesting to see what happens if/when cheap gasoline disappears, and governments cannot afford any more road projects. Probably they will auction off highways to toll companies in a desperate attempt to stay solvent, and the owners will charge what the market will bear. Whites will be forced to stand their ground, live close to work, and send their kids to nearby schools. Expect to see homeschooling flourish, and expect to at least see news stories about the rising popularity of neighborhood watch programs, white neighborhoods blaring classical music in the streets to ward off thugs, and so forth.
The final nail in the coffin of egalitarianism will be the continuing advances in genetic science. Genes for psychopathic personality disorder and so forth will be found, and discovered to be far more frequent in blacks and hispanic populations. The elites will be stripped of their intellectual fig leaves, and they will have no rational-sounding arguments left. (Granted, this may take decades, and a lot of ex-hippie marxist college professors may have to grow old and die off first.) I do not forsee a return to state-mandated segregation, but rather a repeal of anti-discrimination laws, leaving the choice of free association up to property owners—namely, neighborhood associations and employers.
Hopefully.
Wherever whites go to form Whitopia, the people of India, the Far East, the Hispanic world, and Africa will follow.
They will never run out of arguments as to why they should be living among us, intermarrying with us, miscegenating with us, ruling us, or becoming us.
It’s up to us to stop listening to them and pull up the drawbridge. Not to do so will be fatal to the race.
On the subject of Obama’s healthcare proposals, most White nations on Earth have some kind of socialized medicine system in which universal health coverage is somehow ‘guaranteed’ by the state.
“But what happens is people lose touch with those who disagree with them.”
Here we see on underlying principle of “liberalism”, that race determines one’s attitudes and perspectives on life. In other words, they believe that all whites think the same way and all blacks think a different way. However, those same “liberals” are quick to deny that those different attitudes can be responsible of disparate average earnings, school performance, crime rates or disease rates. The reason that they deny such a possibility is that admitting any connection between a “black culture” and black failure would mean that they might not be the result of white “racism”. Since one of the tenets of “liberalism” is the white “racism” is a major cause of black failings, they find themselves, as usual, contradicting themselves:
a) There are “black attitudes” vs. “white attitudes”
b) Those attitudes have little or no impact on behavior
…therefore “attitude has no/little impact on behavior - an absurd position to hold.
19 — Tim in Indiana wrote at 8:30 PM on October 2:
Oh no, of course not.”
Actually he is not looking for racism. He could probably care less about race. What he’s looking for is a quick buck. Racism sells and it gets you on the talk show circuit.
There’s a long-term harm when Americans accept balkanization as a way of life,” says Benjamin, who is an African American. “Segregation can appear to allay social tensions, but it worsens them in the long run. Optimal democracies require more than voting; they require social integration and involvement.”
The problem is that social integration with blacks can be very harmful to your life. I actually work in a very diverse environment-civil service in NYC (I actually live in outer Whitelandia, a commute that is both time consuming and exhausting, as well as expensive). The garbage that I have to put up with is amazing and disgusting. Promotions for white males are hard to come by while Afros are promoted way beyond their abilities, in fact many who shouldn’t be employed actually earn a good deal of money although they are terrible employees. I also have to put up with Afro bullying-loud, noisy disrespectful co-workers singing to themselves, playing their music, holding high decibel level chit chat sessions while I’m trying to work, and lastly expressing their anti-white political thoughts. This last annoyance is revealing in that I am under no illusions regarding what Afros want-they want the destruction of white society, but I already knew that, and not being able to express my views, that is I’m straight-jacketed while the Afro bullies run wild, is upsetting to me to say the least.
It doesn’t appear possible, to me, for a non-democratic situation ( forced integration) to ever resolve into a democratic one. The initial premise carries a lot of argumentative weight.
‘“There are forces that push people out [of cities and inner suburbs], like diversity and crumbling infrastructure and high home prices,” Benjamin says. “’
This guy Rich Benjamin just so happens to have conveniently forgotten to list the numero uno reason Whites have been leaving the big cities for the last forty-plus years: blacks and black criminality.
And likewise Bill Bishop says:
“…places zoom off into their own cultural trajectories. But what happens is people lose touch with those who disagree with them.”
I believe that is the whole point. I, we, and others do indeed wish to lose touch with those whose way of life we find alien and disaggreable.
And again Bishop says:
‘“What happens is a nation incapable of compromise…”’
To me this is a logical absurdity. Why in the name of all that’s holy would any group of people voluntarily accede the right to pursue in peace and fraternity their own destiny according to their heart’s desire? To appease someone else?
No sirs, that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
What happens is a nation incapable of compromise; you have this kind of national stalemate.”
“You can run but you can’t hide.” Those whites who think that escape to a rural area is the answer don’t seem to realize that there is a national culture which has pretty well smothered any local manifestations which may try to differ. Admittedly if you become a Mormon, and live in Utah, there is a pretty strong degree of differentiation, but I don’t think Mormonism is going to be the answer to the greater ills of the majority of the whites living in the United States.
Aside from the negative cultural force of the mass media and entertainment industry, the educational system, both public and private, transmites the negative ideas of total equality among different racial groups and makes sure that fewer and fewer “Dead white males” are remembered or spoken highly of. (How many students in the present day are exposed to “Paul Revere’s Ride,” for example?)
In short, older whites are going to have to start “taking the bull by the horns” and fighting a sort of modern day cultural counter-reformation that will create the conditions for the declining percentage of white youngstes entering educational age to not be further brainwashed by the kind of “Whiteness Studies”, of a mild or severe nature, which is going on in the educational system.
I could care less about the well being of older whites who want to escape to a sort of white “never-never land” in some isolated part of the U.S. so that they can live out their last decades of life outside the struggle. If you are in such a place and part of the counter-revolution to restore a decent future for tne newest generation of whites, now consigned to be the “low men and women on the totem pole” of multiculturalism fine - but if you are hiding from the fight then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution - and believe me, there still is a solution, notwithstanding those few who post on this site and have essentially given up trying to change things for the greater society.
If Gary and Detroit are examples of Blacktopia, I’ll take my chances with places like Coeur d’Alene once society totally fractures. Our tax dollars are the primary thing propagating a lot of this nonsense. As Margaret Thatcher used to say, “The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money”. In a strange way, maybe we should welcome it when China cuts off the money tap and it will be impossible to keep the financial abominations going.
Maybe the confederate flags are a partial symbol for Whitopia. If one travels to Beech Grove, Indiana (a separate city inside of Indianapolis), and drives into the neighborhoods, you will see a fair number of stars and bars flying. BG was primarily a railroad town in a past life and still has an Amtrak repair facility. When Judge Dillin started ordering busing, BG started receiving a number of new residents as students could not be bussed in or out of the town. A lot of police officers live there and are not shy about making this a safe community. You can walk around most of BG at 3:00 AM without fear. However, BG is not far from some really questionable areas of Indianapolis.
A number of the counties around Marion County, Indiana have been predominantly white since statehood, however their populations have exploded as forced diversity has been such a disaster. In Fishers, Indiana, there is a girl scout troop made up exclusively of girls adopted from China. Having seen the misery of trying to adopt a healthy white child and the roadblocks therein, I can’t really blame white parents from adopting overseas. If white children are unavailable, Asian children are your next best option.
I’ve read “The Big Sort” and while I agree with some of it, there is this annoying underlying tone that almost sounds like Rodney King’s “Can’t we all just get along”. The overwhelmingly liberal areas, that probably have more gated communities than conservative areas, seem to be driven to apoplexy that not everyone wants to sign on with their vision of society.
“There’s a long-term harm when Americans accept balkanization as a way of life,” says Benjamin, who is an African American. “Segregation can appear to allay social tensions, but it worsens them in the long run. Optimal democracies require more than voting; they require social integration and involvement.”
Here’s another thing that crosses my mind — the premises that Beale uses in this article are several decades old and obsolete. For example, Idaho was 7.5% Hispanic as of the 2000 Census, definitely more in next year’s count.
i can’t help feel but the comments here are a little hysterical.America has a deep and involved racial history, so of course it’s a factor in every major national event, including presidential elections. But with the farfetched, fantastical social-political forecasting here, it’s guaranteed that anything that happens in the future will ‘indicate’ some future social trend, regardless. for instance, if obama loses his bid for reelection, undoubtedly posters here and at similar sites will reel off long-winded analyses about how ‘white america renounced the step toward black-rule that obama instigated,’ or, if he does take on a second term, undoubtedly this will, ‘signify America’s further descent into a multi-culti socialist state,’ etc. —- I can practically see and hear all the overstated rhetoric already!
43 nitcrit: You seem to be troubled by the rhetoric you read here and elsewhere. The issue is not the words, but the actions. Whites in this country are being displaced by non-Whites, which increasingly are foreigners or their offspring. We, the descendants of the people who built this country and the ones who continue to sustain it, do not like to be chased out of the cities we built. Even less do we enjoy being accused of malice because we object to the changes forced on us.
My first thought upon reading this article was: how quickly can I put my affairs in order and move to Idaho?
But that’s a fool’s errand. They will chase us where ever we go. They have demonstrated time and time again that they hate living among their own kind. They want the decency and prosperity that only Whites seem to be able to create.
We have to make a stand some time. We shouldn’t have to flee to the sticks just to be safe in the country we created.
At their core, people like Rich Benjamin are simply filled with grief and rage that there can be a “whitopia” when they know that an equivelant “blacktopia” is simply impossible.
“what happens is people lose touch with those who disagree with the. What happens is a nation incapable of compromise; you have this kind of national stalemate.”
Why is it necessary to keep in touch with people you disagree with? What are the benefits of that? From the time we’re BORN we learn to compromise and that people don’t always agree with each other. We hardly need, as adults, a black person lecturing us about their version of ‘compromise’, which actually means changing our mind or giving in so they get their way.
“In the meantime, Bishop believes that the crazy quilt of cultures and values the big sort has created just “makes any sort of national change harder. We get by, but what we lack is an ability to do things that are transformative. {snip}”
> This is so outrageous when we set it alongside the cry for diversity that blacks have been clamouring for going on decades now. This man must be a communist in social theory at least. He is utilizing the idea that if we force everyone together, a sameness will emerge that will eliminate injustice and promote equality. The beating of that black honor student in Chicago by his own raical peers - along with the long legacy of black on black violence has to prove if they aren’t willing to look any further than that for the proof, this this idea is completely erroneous and frankly impossible.
On the other hand, in a free country, people ought to be able to groups together based on anything they decide they have in common, including race. The problem is keeping certain elements out.
40 — ex-Indianapolis wrote at 12:01 PM on October 3:
“I’ll take my chances with places like Coeur d’Alene once society totally fractures. “
> My cousin lives there and has for some years. He has always appeared to be far more conservative then me as a lock step Republican/conservative. He loves to hunt and fish as well. He and his wife are self-centered, intellectually lazy people who view themselves as right every time. He raised his daughter so well that when she went off to NYC on a softball scholarship, she came back pregnant by an unknown black. She had already been raped by a Hispanic earlier in her life. He’s raising the child now and dotes on it. When I pointed him to this site for general info on the growing race problems, etc., he refused and related how his father, my uncle was such a racist, etc. And he turns around and speaks about all other conservative issues without missing one beat or recognizing his lack of rational, conhesive, logic.
It isn’t enough to reside somewhere where there are mostly whites, you’ve got to understand much more temporal demographics. You have to be smart enough, and energetic enough to be able to raise your children to get along with people, but not necessarily feel obligated to the varous greater social pressures to miscegenate, for example. Because until whites can physically deny others from settling among them as they once did, the battle is inside the psyches of our children. They need to be taught to be proud of who and what they are without all the rap and hip-hop, television culture that is wrecking America from top to bottom. Quite a challenge.
Nancy #28 - There needs to be some sort of website where Whites can speak frankly and advise other Whites about places to live.
43 — nitcrit: I say to you and Mr. Benjamin - why are 90% white communities usually much nicer than 90% black communities? In fact 90% black towns are frequently war zones.
I am tired of being told that “we” (YT) must work to make a multi-racial utopia. It is not going to happen. NEVER. Blacks will never cooperate. NEVER. Thay can not and will not. We have seen what has happened to most of our major cities. We have seen what happened to Rhodesia and yet still forced South Africa down the same road. It is time for a velvet divorce. Let us just say goodbye and go our seperate ways. Yes, whites who want to live in multiculti country can stay behind with the blacks with the understanding that they can never rejoin white society. It is time to divide the pie that was America.
49: I disagree, it isn’t enough to teach our children to be proud of white culture. We also need to teach them the differences between races and make them able to intellectually defend those differences if the need arise.
50: I highly doubt any blacks or mexicans would want to live in a community full of self-described white race realists or in the minds of liberals “dem evil white racists.” Besides, there are easy enough ways to make someone feel unwelcome without resorting to physical violence and illegal acts.
“Balkanization? The Balkan nations got along better when they were separate entities”
Well, this is absolutely correct. NOW that the various cultural groups in the Balkans have separated and have their own contiguous and secure nation-states, the fighting and the ethnic cleansing has stopped. People are contented now and better off that they live among their own kind and not have the tension that existed under the surface before. Yugoslavia was presented as always being a place where different groups could live in harmony and be a model for the rest of the world. It was not true. With totalitarianism, the tension was still present but kept in check.
St. George UT. is a retirement community for seniors. Best place [supposedly] in the U.S. to retire to. But was “repeatedly dusted” from nuclear fallout from above ground atomic tests in the 1950’s. Figure it out?
“But what happens is people lose touch with those who disagree with them. What happens is a nation incapable of compromise; you have this kind of national stalemate.”
As with all politically correct hogwash, this is completely backwards.
The more diversity, the less likely you can achieve compromise. The more different the groups, the more contentious the fights for supremacy.
There needs to be some sort of website where Whites can speak frankly and advise other Whites about places to live.
I just want to affirm and declare and shout out loud that I moved away from New York City to a west coast city, specifically for it’s greater homogenity. I specifically moved away from the blacks and the spanish and the asians and the Etc etc, and I’ve rarely been happier. I am surrounded by consensus and education and high expectations and well groomed lawns and flowering plants and a social contract that works and people who share similar values and I can’t say enough good things about it.
As if everyone here didn’t already know it.
Schoolteacher: “… Our eyes see one thing, and the institutions of government, of learning, of public communication, all tell us something else. We see no good coming out of the demographic transformation, and our suspicions are heightened by the lack of real public discourse.”
Those observations are spot on. I’ll add that in my case awareness of race in general came in part through the circumstances Schoolteacher describes. The chasm between reality and the racial fantasy I was fed day in and day out for years became so great that I could no longer ignore it.
In the relatively near future the borders of the North American land mass are going to be redrawn to unify, at least in a formal sense, the countries of Mexico, USA, and Canada. This development can be viewed as a total negative, but possibly it will present an oppotunity to redraw the borders of society. With borders and national identities in flux the time will be ripe for secession. If political secession will not be achievable the momentum for racial segregation will become stronger, as white people realize the government is not in any sense theirs, and no allegiance to its multicultural ethics is owed.
A grand little social experiment would be to take a group of whites and a group of blacks, say about 75,000 each, and have them live and be filmed in their respective Whitopia and Blacktopia. The one difference being that the blacks would get a brand new shiny city that was built for them, and the whites would only get the same materials to build their own city. It would be interesting to see if the whites could finish building theirs, before the blacks totally destroyed the one they were given.
In the end, it wouldn’t prove much because the blacks and their Marxist apologists would claim that the city the blacks were given was a “Eurocentric” construction designed to “oppress” them and drive them insane, or some other such nonsense. However, it would still make for some interesting viewing and study.
Eventually there will be no place left for whites to go in this country. My sister lives in Uppercoe, Maryland where homes sell in the millions. Her house alone was $400,000 and directly across the street is was an empty house of approximately the same market value. Just a few weeks ago, the owners rented to blacks and my sister said that the first week they moved in the Sheriff’s Department and Hereford Police were at the house 4 times in one day.
So where did these blacks get the kind of money needed to rent a $400,000 house. Nobody knows. But they also could afford the Rent-A-Center junk too.
People of color are always attracted to the white neighboorhood because of it’s low crime rate, great schools, and economic prosperity. What they don’t realize is that their own actions are the reasons their neighboorhoods are so bad. Where one will go, others will follow.
Nitcrit:
If you are looking for “rational and reasonable” rhetoric, on race as opposed to “paranoid, out of control, hysterical” rhetoric, you may have come to the wrong website.
American blacks need whites to help them manage their own lives. Blacks left to their own devices invariably screw up to the point of complete loss of civilization ( as mentioned, refer to Gary, Detroit. etc). In the USA, this comic dependence is the great underground counter-commentary to all the liberal balderdash we have to wade through day after tedious day. It would be completely laughable were it not sinister.
“Yugoslavia was presented as always being a place where different groups could live in harmony and be a model for the rest of the world. It was not true.”
Just as with Yugoslavia, or the Roman Empire, or the Ottoman Empire, or the USA!, it takes a STRONG and coercive central government to FORCE people to live together and MAKE them get along. But as soon as that strong central authority falters (which they inevitably do), they’re right back at it again. It’s just human nature that people want to be among their own. Empires are un-natural.
When there is segregation, there is no contact with people of the other race, therefore, less chance of hatred or clashing.
Gayle at #60…
Hope you have an extra, unused bedroom in your house. Your Sis may be giving you a call to ask if she can use it in the near future.
“That 40 percent of Americans under 24 are non-white, and that whites will no longer be in the majority by 2042, only serves to make this unease more palpable.
If 40 percent is admitted to by a government that consistently lies about racial statistics, the actual figure is probably higher. Who knows how much higher.
How then will it take 33 more years to accomplish this seemingly unstoppable minoritization of Whites? It won’t.
Let’s not pretend the inevitable is three decades in the future, that we have years more to ponder and discuss. It’s here and now. If you do nothing else, at least face the demographic realities and plan ahead.”
http://www.amren.com/ar/2002/01/index.html
I estimate that around 2050, giving the current forward projections, that the white amount of the US population will be around 20% while the caucasian being around 50%. By 2100 there will be approximatively 0% whites left in the USA. White flight has gone from being from neighbourhood to neighbourhood to county to county to state to state. Eventually it will be international but that route is not open to most americans. I guess most of those will end up in Australia or New Zealand. The rest will live a meager existence in some remote, cold montana hinterlands or live around the big cities and intermarry with various non white caucasians, of which there will be a big slew coming in from south america and north africa/middle east.
Oh yes the link for poster #13 in case I forgot.
http://www.amren.com/ar/2002/01/index.html
“So where did these blacks get the kind of money needed to rent a $400,000 house. Nobody knows. But they also could afford the Rent-A-Center junk too.”
These two things just don’t go together like good Champagne and fried chicken. Someone very wealthy person obviously wants that area of real estate and the only way to get it is to finance blacks to move in, lower the property values and then snatch it up at fire sale prices. Cut the money off then the blacks move away.
nonymous wrote at 9:35 PM on October 2:
I think I’d rather live in a “whitopia” compared to blacktopia, or should I say, “blackdystopia”.
What bothers blacks like Rich Benjamin about “whitopias” in Utah and Idaho is that white people can live amongst each other, thrive, keep a low crime rate, a good economy and good schools.
Blacks are incapable of that and it drives people like Benjamin and other black interlopers crazy! They are insanely jealous!
You’re exactly right! This is why blacks are the biggest proponents of “racially diverse communities” They realize better than anyone, that all black communities almost always have profound crime rates, and are unsafe to not only live in, but to pass through. This is exactly why, they seek out non-black communities, but especially white ones, because usually they are the safest, cleanest, and most pleasant. They will always want in on that, and will continue to try and change the demographics of any mostly white community they can! That is, until those communities become as dangerous as the ones they left. Once white flight takes place, they search out the next once pleasant mostly white community to destroy.
“An Improbable Journey to the Heart of White America (Hyperion, Oct. 6), he was trying to discover why some of the fastest-growing areas in America are also the most Caucasian.”
Da ah…. Of course, the fastest growing areas are white. Whites are moving away from increasing numbers of low class, hostile minorities. White neighborhoods are cleaner, safer, better maintained, have better schools and are more picturesque. Alas, this process can’t go on forever. The minorities are moving to the white areas too— I guess to be closer to those racists. I’m afraid a “District 9” will be moving close to you shortly.
I hardly know where to begin. Let me begin at the end:
“In the meantime, Bishop believes that the crazy quilt of cultures and values the big sort has created just “makes any sort of national change harder. We get by, but what we lack is an ability to do things that are transformative.”
Mr. Benjamin, the crazy quilt IS the national change and the transformation. It doesn’t make change harder, it means that change has happened. There is no more “we” as a complete nation.
Another point: I don’t accept in the first place an article in which a non-white seeks to analyze whites from the more legitimate position. It reads like Benjamin is in the mainstream, analyzing these kooky whites who are fleeing the core of the country. Anyone who tacitly accepts this juxtaposition has already capitulated.
Finally, this is poor reporting: even without white flight, there are vast swaths of the country which have always been over 90% white, and many of these are in rural areas or in certain regions (like the intermountain West).
Why can’t these people just go away…. Just leave us in peace. Please don’t keep pressing us.
What bothers blacks like Rich Benjamin about “whitopias” in Utah and Idaho is that white people can live amongst each other, thrive, keep a low crime rate, a good economy and good schools.
Blacks are incapable of that and it drives people like Benjamin and other black interlopers crazy! They are insanely jealous!
Vanilla outposts? Could it be that the african-american writer is a racist? Oh, sorry, I forgot, only whites can be racists. Totally unbelievable. The more you give to minorities, all minorities, the more they demand. How much longer will whites keep moving away? When will we say enough is enough? When will we make a stand?
“…All stupid mistakes from the worst decade in US history, i.e., the Sixties…”
Feller:
I would rewind all the way back to the 30s, the socialist FDR and liberal SCOTUS as the beginning of the downward spiral. Even though FDR lost in his attempt to pack the SCOTUS, according to Jim Powell:
“…the Court that emerged from this struggle shifted on its own to a liberal attitude, making the US safe for the New Deal and where it would largely remain for another seven decades…”
“…There’s a long-term harm when Americans accept balkanization as a way of life…”
Yes, the US will become like the Balkans, but not for the reasons he thinks as he has little to no understanding of the history of that war-torn area of the world.
I cannot explain it better than historian Richard Maybury:
“…Since the beginning of history this area has been inhabited by hundreds of nations, tribes and ethnic groups that have hated and fought each other constantly. Russia alone contains some 250 of these groups, and they know nothing of the legal principles that make an advanced, peaceful civilization possible.
Until 1991, the Kremlin sat on Chaostan like a lid on a pressure cooker. Now the lid is gone and the explosion has begun. The area is returning to its original condition of poverty and war—of chaos.
There are only three possible political conditions, liberty, tyranny or chaos. When a population is not dedicated to a legal system based on the two fundamental laws, their only choices are tyranny or chaos….”
For an explanation of the two fundamental laws:
Benjamin is but one of many useful idiots praised and lauded as a ‘visionary’ by academia and the government, widely disseminated by the msm, called upon as an ‘expert’ as what is to be done viz. race relations.
Benjamin’s statement is patently false—but fits perfectly with the vision of ‘utopia’ that the hostile elites who control the msm, academia and government wish to force on WHITES while hypocritically holding themselves and their loved ones apart.
“…Segregation can appear to allay social tensions, but it worsens them in the long run. Optimal democracies require more than voting; they require social integration and involvement…”
Only a harsh powerful central government can impose and maintain social integration through tyranny, as the old Soviets did in the Balkans. White involvement will never be allowed. There is not a place on earth, anywhere in time, where such a peaceful utopia exits or existed—and the hostile elites know it.
Their goal is not utopia but rather a liberty-stripping, authoritarian, oppressive-style government wielding Soviet, police-state tactics. And this is being implemented here—hate speech laws to stifle any form of dissent, the importation of Third World peoples to replace Whites and create a massive welfare state, so-called ‘anti-discrimination’ laws used to force Section 8 housing into formerly White areas, witless blacks employed as battering rams against Whites via AA laws that deny Whites careers and promotions, government take over of businesses, satanic taxes to strip Whites of any remaining wealth and a planned destruction of the American dollar and economy.
So it does appear that we are right on track for what the government, academia and the msm have planned for us— recreating the miserable conditions in the Balkans. We are on the road to Third World economic poverty and chaos with plenty of ethnic and/or racial warfare. All of this will be held barely in check by a government that will sit on us like a lid on a pressure cooker.
This is the same utopia the Soviets promised and the US government is mandating for us.
Bon
“Americans lost their sense of a nation, by accident, in the sweeping economic and cultural shifts that took place [in the 1960s].”
Lies, all lies. The destruction of American society, accomplished by way of destroying the Constitutionally guranteed right to free association, was NOT - in any way - an “accident.” It was by government and institutional design.
And why should blacks get to pretend to be offended when Whites want nothing more than to be left alone and to leave blacks alone in the process?
“There are forces that push people out [of cities and inner suburbs], like diversity and crumbling infrastructure and high home prices,” Benjamin says. “And there are pull factors, like more home for your dollar [in the whitopias], beautiful natural amenities and safety, and the perceived comfort that comes with homogeneity.”
Say it, dammit. There are forces that push WHITE people out of the cities. They are the same dark and violent forces pushing white people out of Zimbabwe, Detroit, and South Africa. I grew up in an all white town next to an all black one. We could leave our doors unlocked at night. The black township next door had third world murder and robbery rates. A quarter mile industrial wasteland separated us. So be it. Blacks and Latinos are a failed people. I want to keep my distance. I’ll fight for it if need be.
What bothers blacks like Rich Benjamin about “whitopias” is that white people can live amongst each other, thrive, keep a low crime rate, a good economy and good schools.
Blacks are incapable of that, and it drives people like Benjamin and other black interlopers crazy! They are insanely jealous!
You’re exactly right! This is why blacks are the biggest proponents of “racially diverse communities”
I don’t fully agree. Not really. Not quite.
Yes, blacks are jealous. And undeniably, blacks do prefer the benefits of “diverse communities” (ie. living among whites or as close as possible), but they are NOT the “biggest proponents” of “Diversity”. They never have been! Nor did they even invent the concept. On their own, the notion wouldn’t exist. You don’t see blacks in Africa or Brazil clamoring for Diversity! They don’t demand that whites come in and “diversify” their communities. To the contrary, they want to drive out whatever whites are there.
It is only white neighborhoods, and now entire white countries, that are being subjected to Diversity. It is a one-way street. Check out Prof. Ignatief and his movement to “abolish the white race” (yes, I’m not kidding). There is no similar movement to “abolish” the black race. No one says the black race is “the cancer of history”.
When you look more deeply into such things as Marxist rhetoric and the very sinister anti-white Frankfurt School, you find that the fundamental ideology lying behind all of this DOES NOT COME FROM BLACKS. These deep philosophical underpinnings of present-day movements have been germinating for generations, and we are seeing the fruits today. But they are beyond the grasp of most so-called “blacks” — except for a rare high-octroon like W.E.B. duBois. Blacks are being steered and told what they should have, what is good for them and what they need. What they are entitled to, and what whites “owe” them. Like everything else, it is all being done for them
No, blacks are not the biggest
— Anonymous wrote:
Some very wealthy person obviously wants that area of real estate and the only way to get it is to finance blacks to move in, lower the property values and then snatch it up at fire sale prices. Cut the money off then the blacks move away.
Some very wealthy person? Yes. But those very wealthy people won’t go away. That’s the real source of the trouble. And so there’ll just be more of the same trouble in the future.
While whites (as here on Amren) continually cry about their deteriorating neighborhoods and the loss of property values (to them), there is always someone in the background who is profiting — profiting in either some way or another. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be happening. And bear in mind that not all “profit” is necessarily financial. (e.g. Does George Soros look exclusively for financial gain from his ventures, or are there other motives to serve?)
It’s getting more and more expensive to live among whites. As prices rise and neighborhoods are invaded, what has always been taken for granted (living among one’s own kind) is becoming, for whites, more and more a luxury that only the well-to-do can afford. Affirmative action will increase that, putting money and good jobs into the hands of non-whites and withholding them from whites. For most whites, the option to live among their own is constantly narrowing down as we are being priced out of our own neighborhoods. Eventually, it will be an option available only to the wealthy. That is, unless you want to live in the outer-outer-outskirts and commute 2 or 3 hours each way to work (assuming you still have a decent job to go to).
Every time property changes hands, someone profits. Stagnant property doesn’t generate profits for middlemen; the more turn-over, the better. Who profits when you are forced to sell your home at a disastrous loss and then move farther out to a new house, in a new development, that costs you far more? Who builds/owns/finances the housing tracts and the shopping malls in that new area? Do some homework.
Wealth doesn’t just vanish; it is transferred from out of one pocket into another. While one party loses, another gains. Not everyone goes away crying! Pull back the curtain and learn who is causing this. Who profits? Who, for instance, is promoting these laws that force whites to rent to blacks, or programs that force school busing upon white neighborhoods? Who are the judges, lawyers, politicians who make these decisions? Who are the organizations that finance them and back them? Cui bono?
Remember wherever there are great pockets of white people non-whites are sure to follow.
But white people are running out of places to hide.
“Segregation can appear to allay social tensions, but it worsens them in the long run. Optimal democracies require more than voting; they require social integration and involvement.”
A real load of manure, coming from a liberal. Liberals have spent the last hundred years trying to achieve the kind of atomized, decultured society that embraces the state. When people have families, churches, and real communities, they make their own way and don’t need government. When “families” are a single mother and her children, churches are empty, and communities a babbling polyglot, people embrace the State as mommy and daddy.
Maybe Benjamin should’ve read the fine print on the contract better; then he might know what that deal with the Devil really entailed. Liberal democracy is not a recipe for an involved civic life, it’s a recipe for socialism.
Through out the internet you will find countless blacks taunting whites, that they are on the verge of extinction, and smugly reminding them that their numbers are steadily dwindling.
While this is a satisfying thought for many of them, one wonders how they delude themselves into believing this will somehow be a boon for them, or that somehow this will bring them more power.
It is true that in the US the non-white population is growing daily, but in reality, it is not blacks who are the fastest growing minority, but Hispanics. Do they actually, believe they will be welcomed as brothers and sisters among them, when even today, there are constant turf battles going on between them, in many American cities?
Without whites, there would no longer be nice safe, peaceful and prosperous communities for them to flock to in droves, and welfare, or section 8, since the country would surely take an economic hit, far worse than we are seeing today, and perhaps even worse than during the great depression, without the backbone of the white middle class in place to support them on their tax dollars.
Far too many of them live in a fairytale world, filled with delusions of grandeur. A perfect example would be Zimbabwe, black Zimbabweans were convinced that once black gained the majority, and ran the country, they would prosper. Yet here they are today scrambling for the last few remaining white farms they can get their hands on. Why? Because they are incapable of growing their own food! Which in reality shows just how very dependent they are upon whites for their very survival.
We also saw the same thing in major cities like Detroit. They wanted a part of the power structure there, but after effectively chasing off the whites, the city collapsed into economic despair. They can’t blame it all on the auto industry, when whites who fled to the suburbs, still managed to regroup, and later thrive independently. Now they are trying to horn their way in there as well, or are flocking to once mostly white suburbs in the South.
For all their hatred of whites, they know in their hearts, they can’t go it alone without them, never could, and never will.
Nitcrit:
If you are looking for “rational and reasonable” rhetoric, on race as opposed to “paranoid, out of control, hysterical” rhetoric, you may have come to the wrong website.
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Paranoia? How about a look at the ghetto wasteland that Detroit has become
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM
Virtually all chocolate cities suffer the same blight to varying degrees, and virtually all of them started off as prosperous white cities, until blacks slowly moved in, and turned them to ruins. If most black cities could remain prosperous and safe, there would be no need for blacks to try and force their way into white communities.
Ah yes, it’s only “perceived.” I guess most whites are just living in a dream state.
Yes. I suppose the author would have the reader believe that whites are so stupid and racist they’ll pull up stakes and suffer the trauma of moving hundreds or thousands of miles just for a “perceived” (but non-existent; otherwise the “perceived” part is superfluous) advantage.
For those who think that returning to the way things were in the “old days” when whites dominated and Christianity brought peace and order, I recommend the Zane Grey book, “The New Riders of the Purple Sage.” The probability is that the same types of things would emerge if we were segregated from all others and threw out the idea and prinicipals of a secular governing style. Because even when we were, and we were pretty much in control, religious zealots of all types popped up and made life difficult for everyone else. That is why a huge rethink of the presiding notions of an exclusive, conservative and white nation.
As I have pointed out before, such a nation would have to be very intra-cooperative because it would likely be banned from world trade and pressured, if not militarily invaded by bordering nations. It looks to me like we are stuck in this nation, so we need a set of more subtle solutions than the aspiration of a national Whitopia, because it isn’t likely to happen.
PS, This nation has been Balkanized since we first set up the Reservation system. Any chance for one or two White Reservations? Ans; Not likely. Also, our interstate rivalries almost amount to petty Balkanization at times.
How about this possibility? Maybe it both good and bad; maybe America is making racial progress for hte betterment of many American lives, while maybe some such trends are pushing us too far and too fast, and that the some bad will temper some of the good.
Would he refer to a Chinatown district as a Chinatopia? Or a Hispanic community as a Hispanitopia? And would he be insisting they need to embrace more blacks in the name of diversity? Somehow I doubt it. Blacks only seem interested in nudging their way into white neighborhoods, making sure they add plenty of chocolate flavor to those bland vanilla outposts, they nonetheless find so impossible to resist. What few of them realize, is that they would be no less welcome in an Asian community or an Arab or Indian enclave, much less a Hispanic one. Their reputations for destroying communities is legendary worldwide, and welcomed nowhere.
Idealists and dreamers are certainly entitled their delusions, especially when they remain a safe distance from where the tire actually hits the road. Nature however often has a mind of its own,.. such as “birds of a feather” or “blood is thicker than water”. The integration that these idealists are desiring is at a genetic level like Brazil for instance or Mexico to some degree where essentially the white gene pool is absorbed by the darker races only leaving traces of its former existence. this underlying antagonism is why Jefferson is quoted as saying ” As long as America tries to integrate black with white there shall be social rifts forever” and whether or not he had illicite affairs with a black woman is immaterial in the same way that a person that wishes they never began to smoke is not necessarily a hypocrite in warning their kids not to start.
If you are looking for “rational and reasonable” rhetoric, on race as opposed to “paranoid, out of control, hysterical” rhetoric, you may have come to the wrong website.
And what would be reasonable rhetoric on race? Let me guess, the usual song and dance routine, that Diversity is our strength? I can tell you might white grandparents gained nothing when blacks increasingly began to overtake their neighborhood in Detroit, and they were forced to sell the beautifully designed home they raised 4 kids in, and were once so happy in they thought they would never leave. That particular section of town, can no longer even qualify as a neighborhood, their old house was gutted years ago, like so many on that block, thanks to looters and devil’s night pyromaniacs. When I look at the old black and white pictures of how good life seemed in Detroit back then, and think what diversity did to it, I know diversity actually destroys, not enriches. Paranoid rhetoric my ***
“There are forces that push people out [of cities and inner suburbs], like diversity and crumbling infrastructure and high home prices,” Benjamin says. “And there are pull factors, like more home for your dollar [in the whitopias], beautiful natural amenities and safety, and the perceived comfort that comes with homogeneity.”
Who does he honestly think he is fooling? Home prices are hardly cheaper in a nice white community, than in a crumbling black inner city ghetto. The only reason most black families are able to afford to live in these whiteopias is usually thanks to section 8 housing, and that is at the tax payers expense, as usual.
Posted by Schoolteacher:
“Whites in this country are being displaced by non-Whites, which increasingly are foreigners or their offspring. We, the descendants of the people who built this country and the ones who continue to sustain it, do not like to be chased out of the cities we built.”
I think the same could be said with respect to Anglo-Saxons and European ethnics.
FYI, the people who actually ‘built’ the US haven’t been in charge for a LONG time, a lot longer than I think you realize, in fact. Even in the early part of the 20th century, WASP influence was already on the wane, with prominent individuals in high places mostly just acting as a ‘mask’ to distract people from realizing that they were being displaced by dissimilar types (i.e. Italians, Irish, Hungarians, etc.). The issue has NEVER been about ‘white’ people, but about specific types (i.e. legitimate ethnocultural groups).
A number of years ago, there was a “60 minutes” segment that dealt with whites moving into “affluent black subdivisions” in Atlanta. The interviewer tried to “sugar coat” the the “diversity” by interviewing black residents who to a “t” did not mind “whites” moving in.
Before the break up of the soviet union the communists would bring people from their “client states” to moscow and other areas for “political indoctrination”. They were very careful to keep blacks from their “client states” SEPARATE from the ethnic russians, housing them in buildings and dormitories that were under armed guard.
