Dave Gibson, Norfolk Examiner (Virginia), September 3, 2009
A recent mob-beating of a Buffalo, NY teen has caused a great deal of outrage within the community, and while the crime has been covered locally, the national mainstream press has completely ignored the story. The victim is white and the assailants were black.
On August 18, Brian Milligan Jr., 18, was walking home when he was reportedly attacked at the corner of Genesee Street and Floss Avenue, by between 10 to 15 black men. In addition to being punched and kicked, Milligan’s attackers hit him in the back of the head with a brick.
Amazingly, despite his severe injuries, Milligan managed to stumble the remaining five blocks to his house where he collapsed.
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Milligan who spent several days in the Erie County Medical Center, suffered bleeding in his brain and a broken jaw, which will require the reinforcement of a metal plate and reconstructive surgery, the extent of his brain injuries is not yet fully known..
Milligan’s girlfriend Nicola Fisher, who is black, has told police that the two were often threatened and taunted as they walked together through their neighborhood.
Milligan’s father believes his son’s relationship with Fisher was the motivation behind the attack. {snip}
Police are investigating the attack as a hate crime, and Buffalo Police spokesperson Mike DeGeorge told reporters: “The department is vigorously investigating this tragic incident like it does with all crimes in the city. We understand the family’s grief and the department is asking anyone with information about this incident to call the confidential tip call [716] 847-2255.”
Despite that assurance from the Buffalo Police, Milligan’s father has expressed his frustration with the current investigation, and recently said: “I don’t want to sound wrong, but, what happens if this was a black boy laying up on that bed, and it was twelve white guys that did this to him.”
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Original article
(Posted on September 4, 2009)
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The only way to do away with this nonsense is make every crime of one race against another race an automatic “hate crime”. If that were ever to happen, the liberals would be complaining that that law was racist do the fact 90% of those charged with that would be black and they are only 13% of the population.
“but, what happens if this was a black boy laying up on that bed, and it was twelve white guys that did this to him.”
Well, I will tell you what would have happened. Obama would have heard about this and added a civil rights czar to his cabinet. The Attoney General would have launch an investigation of civil rights violation. CNN would cover it wall to wall. Sharpton would be on every news channel. The chief of police would be force to resign. Fox news would cover it starting with Orielly, then Hannity, then Gretta, each would give a mini-speech condemning it. And all that would be just for starters.
Common blacks/black behaviour is a very good advertisement for seggregation and even more radical solutions..
“I don’t want to sound wrong, but, what happens if this was a black boy laying up on that bed, and it was twelve white guys that did this to him.”
Now I think his father has awaken and is now one of us.
Janos
This is not surprising. These type of black on white crimes are always reported only locally, and even there not labeled “hate crimes”. Whereas any similar white on black crime is reported by every major news outlet and always called a hate crime.
“I don’t want to sound wrong, but, what happens if this was a black boy laying up on that bed, and it was twelve white guys that did this to him.”
1. Candlelight vigils
The Buffalo council is offering only $1,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the perpetrators? With what a black thug can make on a few street drug sales, that’s small beer indeed. If that’s all a city that size can afford, it must be bankrupt as are so many communities today in Obamaland.
The father is right about how the media would be doing a war dance if the youth beaten had been black and the thugs White. But that is a given, as we all know: White on black crime is a terrible nationwide problem; black on White crime doesn’t exist. But I would also have to say that this young White man would be much better off not dating a black in the first place. Were there no White women available?
Another victim of black on White relationships. It is usually the White woman who gets raped, beaten and murdered by her black boyfriend etc…I feel for the guy but I sure hope he gets some sense and realizes that interracial relationships are not in his best interest. He is betraying his own race and possibly bringing another mulatto child into the world when he should be bringing a White child into the world.
This is depressing. When I was in college, I read a book that changed my life. It was called Paved With Good Intentions by Jared Taylor (1992). In it, Taylor documented at least 20-30 similar hate crimes by blacks against whites. Of course, none received any media attention or outrage from the race police (SPLC, NAACP, ADL …etc).
We are now 17 years on and nothing has changed. In fact, it may have gotten worse. I recall radio hosts like David Brudnoy, Ken Hamblin and Bob Grant talking about racial double standards in a way not too different from Jared Taylor. Sam Francis often wrote about these crimes as did other writers from Chronicles magazine.
But Francis and Brudnoy are dead, Hamblin and Grant are retired and Chronicles has shrunk in size, influence and scope. Even AR does not focus on these outrages as much as they used to.
Hopefully, our Malcolm X will come in the next 17 years!
“Milligan’s father believes his son’s relationship with Fisher was the motivation behind the attack.”
There’s the answer. Jump into a world where trouble is the norm and what do you get? Trouble.
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And yet I’d be willing to bet dollars to donuts that some of his assailants have white girlfriends. It is this double standard that is, even by itself, a clear indicator of racial oppression. Whites are being oppressed. No blacks.
“I don’t want to sound wrong, but, what happens if this was a black boy laying up on that bed, and it was twelve white guys that did this to
him.”
Here’s a theory I’m working out: Black on white violence is a case of “dog-bites-man” and therefore not newsworthy. When white folk do
something like this, it’s seems horrible because it’s against nature, when black folk do something like this, it IS nature.
Black folks hate the justice system the same way a dog wouldn’t understand why it’s being hit with a newspaper three weeks after it did something wrong.
Look at picture of a black youth in the court-room in cornrows and an ill-fitting suit. They don’t know why they’re there and they feel like the victim. They have no memory of the original crime. They need to see consequences for their action immediately.
Point is, black people are not white people and you can’t old them to the same standard of shock when they do something you yourself would never do.
I feel for this kid. I too, am a victim of Black on White crime, although I didn’t date a black girl to provoke it. My only transgression was the color of my skin. And it is incredible (as a previous poster noted) the lack of attention given to black on White crime…I was robbed and shot in the abdomen by a black thug back in 2006, only 1 block from my college campus. Luckily, I survived..although life has been tough since. Unfortunately, it often takes incidents like the one I endured for people to open their eyes and join the movement. I hope this young man can recover and join our cause as well. I know the situation looks very bleak for us right now, but I think we can fight and win out someday, if the World makes it that far at least.
Baruch writes:
Baruch,
Sorry that it had to be so painful, but hopefully young Brian Milligan has learned his lesson and will go on to date only white women in the future and will eventually sire racially aware children of his own.
“Milligan’s father believes his son’s relationship with Fisher was the motivation behind the attack.”
This almost certainly guaranteed that he’d meet trouble sooner rather than later, but it was not the basic motivation. The fundamental motivation was, is, and ever will be blacks’ hostility towards whites.
Whites need not date blacks to be targeted by them for violence. Most white victims of black violence do not. Channon Christian and Chris Newsome, for example, were dating one another when they were abducted to to be tortured and murdered by vicious black criminals.
There is a single reason why this young man was attacked, and it is the same reason
Here’s another hate crime:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0kk-LQ5IgI
Blacks are giving all athletes a bad name.
I disagree with most posters on this thread. The only reason that this episode is known to any of us, is that the victim is white. “Blacks” in groups of two or more do this type stuff to each other hourly in every place that they live, on Earth. And always have, and will. Once in a while they do their thing unto other races. I don’t think any sane person could disagree. Question is, if race is a myth or “social construct”, why are the africans leading the league in petty crime EVERYWHERE in the world where they live?
Common blacks/black behaviour is a very good advertisement for seggregation and even more radical solutions..
“I don’t want to sound wrong, but, what happens if this was a black boy laying up on that bed, and it was twelve white guys that did this to him.”
Now I think his father has awaken and is now one of us.
Janos
If everyone carried a legal concealed carry weapon then these mob attacks by “youths” would stop. As you can see only the helpless are pounced upon like a pack of sharks smelling blood. I live close to a bad area and I carry. If I lived in a bad area I would carry and move out. You have one life to live and enjoy. Defend yourselves and your loved ones. All women in my family shoot at the range regularly. Don’t be a victom be alert and aware.
I don’t have perfect justification to be certain, but this seems an obvious case of territorialism,… black men defending their identity from dissipation by miscegination. This instinct is probably as old as man himself and is recently called tribalism or provincialism or racism. The brutal heated technique these blacks employed,… not very different than the Tutsi’s and the Hutu’s,… is likely more common though much less illuminated than the lynchings of blacks in the old south after restoration. No doubt black men eyeing white women back then won the ire of many a cognicent white men as it does today. The obvious torture of justice is that equality is always the modern sanctifying word but in hate crimes like this a massive disproportion of national attention is drawn to black racism against whites, as has been mentioned *if the races had been reversed the mournful pagentry with religious overtones ad- nausium would have held the nation hostage for months,.. but in any event a white guy should know to stay with his own,… we come color coded … whats so hard to understand?!
Regarding Bob Grant he definitely had coulones(?) in stating his opinions. His statement, that a significant portion of the black community has declared war on white America is exactly how I feel. That is, I would rather not be overly concerned with racial issues. However if you listen to what the majority of blacks are saying you would realize that it is not sharing a water fountain that is their biggest concern. It is retribution against whitey. In this race realists actually are more respectful towards blacks-we are actually listening to what they say and respecting what they say. We just want to have a real dialogue on race not sit in a field and sing Cumbaya.
As BG would say it is Sick & Getting Sicker out there.
Despite that assurance from the Buffalo Police, Milligan’s father has expressed his frustration with the current investigation, and recently said: “I don’t want to sound wrong, but, what happens if this was a black boy laying up on that bed, and it was twelve white guys that did this to him.”
I’m sure some liberals think this victim is more deserving of sympathy because he was dating a black girl. That proves he’s “not racist.” Plus the attack was no doubt very upsetting to his black girlfriend, too, so that means a black was a victim, as well. That makes it worthy of their attention. If the young man had been attacked for no other reason than his white skin, probably fewer people would care and it might not have even been written about. (I’m not talking about people on Amren, of course, but the libs, the media, etc.)
“I don’t want to sound wrong, but, what happens if this was a black boy laying up on that bed, and it was twelve white guys that did this to him.”
I’m glad the father said that, but I’ve noticed whites are always so timid and hesitant when saying things like this. It’s always, “Well, don’t take this the wrong way, but…” “Don’t think I’m a racist, but…” “I’m not prejudiced, but…” “Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty of white criminals, too, but…” I can’t wait till we get to the point when whites can speak out and call evil what it is, without having to cower and first beg people not to think badly of us!
Bob Grant was great back in the day at WABC before he got run out for the Ron Brown statement. He had I believe two separate period’s where the PC Police were coming for him prior to Brown. One was after he did an ill advised interview with New York Magazine and was painted as a Hate Monger. After the Brown affair he was on WOR but you could gradually hear the softening in him. The most notable was that even he appeared to be worshiping at the feet of MLK. Prior to this he would only refer to him as Martin King and not go crazy over him or the holiday in Jan. But I guess even the best can be gotten to and just plain worn down and out. Hannity and O’Reilly are pathetic and at their best could not compare to the old Grant.
@19
You are perfectly right, we do not have a significant number of blacks here and only very few with hungarian citizenship. You surely have heard the proverb.: the wise men learns from the faults of the others, the fool doesnt even learn from his own faults…
On AmRen I can collect news about the blacks and/or muslims and other minorities in the Western World and in South Africa. This helps me to organize and broadcast my views about this minorities to girlfrend/colleagues/friends. I think its important to inform people that the same thing is happening all over the white- world, the patterns are the same. Most of the people here in Eastern Europe have a completely different picture about the West than the reality, I want to change that.
Blacks in Hungary:
If you think that hungary is not commiting suicide, digest the fact.: In Hungary about half on the newly borns was not born to a white family. (instead to gypsies and also many to chinese)
Best Regards
While I understand the outrage at double standards in applying “hate” crime law, a true white man would never date a black female. I believe this young fellow should have expected to be reviled by the black community. Although I hope he makes a speedy and full recovery, he probably learned nothing and will continue to defile his own race.
These kinds of attacks are happening more, and more lately, and are being blown off as nothing more than a small crime. As the father said, if the races were reversed, this would be on every news channel, and every black group, or person would be bashing them. NAACP, Sharpton… Just like during the campaigns for president, Obama said on TV, “My Grandmother is a typical white person.” If McCain had called any black person a typical black, his campaign would have been over that day. Things only seem to be racist if a white person does it, and whites are blamed for everything. I guess we can only blame our own race for this because we keep caving in every time they throw the race card, or we lower the standards so we aren’t called racists… It’s disgusting, and needs to stop!
Throwing bricks at the back of white peoples heads must be s new fad. This happened to Reginald Denny, a white truck driver minding his own business at an intersection, during the Los Angeles riots of 1992. A guy called Damian “football” Williams was the main instigater. I think in his case, it was both a brick and a fire hydrant.(don’t ask me where the firehydrant came from).
By the way, for those who wonder what the cops might do in case they are in this kind of situation:, they were watching it all happen in a parked police care half a block away. A “news” helipcopter was also flying overhead, filming everything that happened. The helicopter crew was evidently too aborbed by their duties as “reporters” to worry about Reginald Dennys head. He was subsequently hospitalized with brain damage.
My brother who attended Brown University was attacked from behind by 10 minorities in Providence RI. He was just walking down the street. The person who started the incident was an asian female, and a Brown Student herself. She pointed out my brother as a Brown University Student. The people beating on my brother didn’t stop until the police showed up. All 10 pleaded no contest and the girl who started the riot didn’t even get a slap on the wrist. There was no other motivation than hate. They didn’t even try to rob him. However, at politically correct Brown University, beating white people to death isn’t a hate crime, it is just sport.
Luckily my brother happens to be one big SOB and he recovered fully.
That happened about 13 years ago and I woke up to a new reality pretty quick.
Even though Amren reports the statistics regarding Black on White crimes, the circumstances for these instances are not discussed. I would guess that the majority of the rapes and assaults suffered by Whites are due to associating with Blacks in the first place. If these Whites were racially aware, they would avoid Blacks altogether and not become a statistic.
So, if you live in an area with a large Black population - move! Move to a state that is mostly White and raise your children there.
I think Jewamongyou—Is 100% wrong. If a black guy has a white girlfriend he is glad to see a white guy with a black girl.
A normal black guy cannot get a white girl. A few elite black men get white women. It is more common today than ever before in human history. After all getting white woman for sex is the goal of the Civil Rights Revolution.
When you see an attractive white woman with a black man or a black baby it is heart breaking. But most of the white women that black men have capture are white men rejects.
For every white-man black-woman pairing you see, it seems like you see 100 white-women black-men pairings. Of course it is not that high, but seems so. The reason is that black women are not sexually attractive to normal white men. The reason they are not attractive is that they aren’t white.
If white men started to find black women attractive, the black man would be out in the cold. He could not get any sex from his black women because the white man would monopolize them. In any competition for the sex of the black woman the white man would turn the sex playing field into the NBA in reverse.
This is how the black man feels when he sees a white man with a black woman. He is enraged to the umpteenth degree. When a white man sees a black white pairing he has an unconscious revulsion because he does not want the white genes pool polluted. We can be honest here, blacks do not feel the same way since an interracial pairing would result in an improvement. It is the fear of having your sexual outlets captured by another race that drives the young blacks into a rage.
In conclusion a white man with a black woman does not open the door to white women for the black man. That door is as open as wide as it will ever be. A white man with a black woman means the shutting of the door to black women for the black man.
The whole concept of “hate crimes” is really wrong. it involves prosecuting thought. The assailents are guilty of lynching and attempted murder and i really do not care what motivated them. they should be hunted down and put in prison for a really long time for their acts, not their thoughts.
My brother got beat down by a group of Africans. Got busted up pretty bad, actually. There was never any talk of hate crimes charges or newspaper articles. This was Berkeley, after all.
I read the article , I read the letters and I feel pretty hopeless . Things just seem to be getting worse and worse for the whites . Not in my lifetime, but I fully expect an outright pogram to be instituted against the whites eventually as minorities completely take over government from the Federal level right on down to the smallest municipality .The best we can hope for is a Brazil-like society and nation . We could do worse , but I do not believe for one minute this is what the Founders had envisioned . And it all could never have happened (including 9-11) without the Immigration Bill of 1965.I am thinking Australia will eventually become a sanctuary for whites . A continent with only 20 million people . Something has got to break eventually, it just can’t keep on going the way it is .
RHG, you hit the nail on the head. The father should not be saying “I don’t want to sound wrong”. He should be saying “This is a despicable hate crime, a black-on-white lynching”. He should be extremely angry and shrill, and make a scene about it. March on the police department lawn with a megaphone etc. White people need to do a lot more of that, and a lot less posting on websites. Just my 2 cents…
“Blacks in Hungary: There are more and more of them, but only in the capitol (Budapest) Most of the blacks here have a student visa, but it is sure that they do not study, they are more interrested getting into illegal activities (selling/using/smugling drugs, counterfeit legal documents, spreading AIDS…)”
As someone who has vacationed in Hungary I was under the impression that what they were interested in was Hungarian women. By the way, not once did I ever see a black woman in Hungary, in every case it was a black man. On second thought, I did see some black women elsewhere in Europe, working at the brothels.
If you think that hungary is not commiting suicide, digest the fact.: In Hungary about half on the newly borns was not born to a white family. (instead to gypsies and also many to chinese)
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What are the Chinese doing in Hungary? Who did let them in and for what reason?
The reason that hate crimes like this and thousands of others like the Christian Newsome murders and the Wichita massacre never make the news is because it doesn’t fit the left wing liberal agenda.
and now called ( disparate impact ) and now this whole situation is getting worse with Obama as president. To present the real facts about crime
Black folks just seem to have an amazing fascination with bricks. “Alley apples” they call them in certain sections of Philadelphia. All the white folks out there - - ask youself this question - - when was the LAST TIME YOU CARRIED A BRICK AROUND WITH YOU IN A COMMON AND ORDINARY MANANER??!! Carrying the brick signifies an intent to use as a weapon against the head, to kill or maim!!??
40 — Jeddermann wrote at 5:00 PM on September 6:
On South 13th Street between Spruce and Locust Streets there were always bricks stored in the tree holes. The blacks used them to break windows of cars so that they could loot the contents. I know because mine was broken into twice, They have an uncanny talent for uglifying everywhere they go and everything with which they come into contact.
The victims father is correct; if the race of the perps and victims were reversed the Holder “Justice” Dept. would have already launched a massive civil rights investigation. Obama would be visiting the victim in the hospital and speaking on television on the dangers of “hate”. Half caste Gerry Rivers, er uh, Rivera would be knashing his teeth about “knatzees” and how they must be eradicated from this earth by any means necessary.
The lack of national coverage and the indifference of the so called Justice Dept. thus prove that whites are third class citizens if one is an optimist.
When I read this article I had to stop and read it again to make sure I had read it correctly. A white male dating a black female? I have never seen such a thing. I cannot say how many times I have seen white females with black males but never on one occasion have I seen it the other way around. Which leaves me wondering if this boy is really a quadroon or octoroon who is trying to pass himself off as white.
If whites were truly racially blind the black on white crime rate would be through the roof. Luckily, our natural racism(common sense), causes there to be many fewer opportunities than would otherwise be the case.
“When I read this article I had to stop and read it again to make sure I had read it correctly. A white male dating a black female? I have never seen such a thing.”
Thank you for contributing, Mr, Van Winkle.
Economist…I’m not sure if your idea that most Whites who get assaulted by Blacks are ones that choose to associate with Blacks holds water. I realize I am only one instance, but all I did was walk down the street. Some black guys saw that I (and my 2 friends) were White, and that was enough for them to rob us at gunpoint, and then shoot me. Sure, associating with Blacks does increase the risk of getting assaulted by them, but I think there are many incidents (including my own tragedy) where Whites are simply targeted due to the color of their skin, even if they don’t hang around with the wrong people, or in the wrong areas. By the way, NRA Jer, you are so wrong it makes me sick.
And yet again:
”..by between 10 to 15 black men. In addition to being punched and kicked, Milligan’s attackers hit him in the back of the head with a brick.”
Always it’s the same M.O. Pack dogs attacking the vulnerable lone victim, using any dishonorable means available.
@ 23 RHG:
You are exactly right. Also that he’ll probably get in trouble for using the words “black boy”.
“Why Has the Press Ignored Hate Crime Against a White Teenager?”
Easy answer. Because it doesn’t fit their agenda. I agree with #39 Gerry.
@ #41:
“As I walk the halls of the school where I teach I notice the looks of disgust and dismay on the faces of many White kids as they observe the loud, nauseating and so boringly predictable antics of the Afros. In fact I’m beginning to notice those same looks on the faces of Asian kids as well.”
Because what was a human environment has been turned into an animal environment.
NRA Jer writes:
“…If everyone carried a legal concealed carry weapon then these mob attacks by’ youths’ would stop…”
And PJ responds:
“…By the way, NRA Jer, you are so wrong it makes me sick…”
In his book, ‘More Guns, Less Crime’, researcher Professor John Lott notes: “Over two million Americans each year defend themselves and thwart violent crime with a handgun.”
What other possible way is there to effectively defend one’s self and one’s loved ones against violent crime? Statistician La Griffe Du Lion reports that blacks, who mostly live in black areas, HUNT Whites specifically and target them for attack.
And as evidenced in the article, blacks often roam in packs to attack Whites. If they knew their victims were armed, they might take up another line of business (or perhaps not).
There are 20,000 gun control laws on the books and they do nothing to make America safe. All gun laws should be repealed and those who harm others—whether with a gun or not—should be prosecuted.
Gun control laws do not make us safer; they make us defenseless against criminals who know this and take advantage of us. Gun control laws make the world less safe for us—just safer for criminals.
Hypocritical politicians who wish for the populace to be dis-armed live behind gates or in guarded communities or have personal security guards —or, as in the case of California’s senator feinstein, have a CCW permit for themselves, but deny your right to carry a gun to defend yourself.
Again, as economist Richard Maybury has suggested—if you are pro-gun control and really believe the government should disarm the populace (but not themselves) place a sign in your front window stating: “This is a Gun-Free Home!”
There was a reason Colonel Colt named his revolver The Equalizer and that Currently, “48 out of the 50 U.S. States allow some type of ccw permit.”
The Founding Fathers well understood the reason governments want to dis-arm the population and crafted the Second Amendment in light of this understanding.
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PJ wrote at 1:10 AM on September 7: “By the way, NRA Jer, you are so wrong it makes me sick…”
Both S&W and Taurus make small lightweight .38 Special & .357 Magnum revolvers with shrouded and internal hammers that won’t snag on a coat or jacket liner while being fired through the pocket. This gives you the element of surprise. There are also numerous even smaller handguns that can be carried inconspicuously in a pants pocket or an inside the pants holster.
If confronted with possible physical violence simply displaying a weapon is usually enough to scatter your would-be assailants. They may want to beat you to death or near death, but not enough to take a bullet attempting to do so. It’s best to avoid criminal environments whenever possible, but if not it is advisable to arm yourself.
The story made cnn.com, surprisingly. More suprising, to me at any rate, is the general tone of the comments on the story, many of which would not be out of place on Amren.
PJ, I’m guessing that your distaste for guns stems from your own experience of being shot. If so, how should the teen in question now regard bricks? Perhaps he should advocate for brick-control laws or make sure he lives in a house that does not include bricks.
” The reason is that black women are not sexually attractive to normal white men. The reason they are not attractive is that they aren’t white.”
Being white has a lot to do with it, but bottom line, Walter, white men aren’t attracted to black women because black women are not attractive.
Next time you encounter a black female, visualize in your mind what she would look like if her skin were white.
Still not very attractive is she? And I’m being kind here.
Case closed.
Ice:
I have seen some very attractive Black women and some not so good looking White women.
I do not think it is good to make such a blatant and dismissive statement.
jewamongyou…yes you are right, my distaste for guns stems largely from being shot. However, I have also done some research. Why is it that I find a strong correlation that shows countries with low violent crime rates being the same countries that dont allow their citizens to carry guns (i.e. Japan, Northern Europe, England..) A gun simply makes it easier for a person to kill another person. If you are robbed at gunpoint and whip out your own pistol…what do you think is going to happen?? Are you really suggesting that both parties will just put their gun away and be on their way??? Really? It makes me wonder if any of these pro-gun people have ever been in a situation where a gun has been pulled on them. If so, I would like to know exactly what transpired that made the situation so much safer. Guns simply make a society more dangerous…a society where everyone is armed is not a safer society..that is ridiculous. Plus a society where everyone is armed assumes that all humans are inherently mentally sound. Virginia Tech nutjob anyone?? You’ve got it backwards.
@LA is burning….I am not saying that gun control laws necessarily make the USA a safer place, and I am certainly not saying the gov’t should disarm the law-abiding public. The USA has the most guns out of any country in the World (for which statistics are available)…270 million guns, 300 million people. Its easy math. At this point, disarming the public would leave guns only in the hands of criminals, and make things more dangerous for the law-abiding public…this I acknowledge. MY position is simply that a society without guns is naturally safer than a society with guns, mostly because it is just EASIER for people to kill each other in a society with guns, as they are the most deadly instrument known to the common man. In lands where only swords, knives, and rocks are known…sure, murders take place..but much less frequently and on a much lower scale.
Anonymous: “If confronted with possible physical violence simply displaying a weapon is usually enough to scatter your would-be assailants”
This is making the unfounded assumption that the assailants aren’t armed themselves!!!! Simply displaying a weapon might well make them draw theirs and fire first!!! Ever think of that?? Furthermore, if neither person has a gone, death may still be the end result but it will be a lot harder to come by, in other words a lot easier to avoid.
Repeat after me: “HATE CRIMES, BY DEFINITION, CAN ONLY BE DONE BY WHITES AGAINST BLACKS!” No matter how heineous or low, no Black can ever be guilty of a hate crime against a White. For which bit of insanity we can thank our liberal media.
I hope Mr. Milligan learned from his experience.
PJ wrote at 9:19 PM on September 7: “jewamongyou…yes you are right, my distaste for guns stems largely from being shot. However, I have also done some research. Why is it that I find a strong correlation that shows countries with low violent crime rates being the same countries that dont allow their citizens to carry guns (i.e. Japan, Northern Europe, England..)”
The reason the countries you have mentioned have much lower per-capita murder rates is because they don’t have large numbers of blacks and Hispanics like we do. If you factor out the murders committed by blacks and Hispanics in America you’ll discover we would have a lower per-capita murder rate those of the countries you have mentioned. Mexico has draconian gun control laws and yet their per-capita murder rate is over three time that of ours…
We’re well off topic by now, but I just wanted to add to the conversation. In Switzerland most adult males have a rifle in their home due to their near-universal conscription. The magazines are sealed so they can’t go shoot for fun and replace the bullets later, but nothing physically prevents them from running home in a rage and using the rifle against an enemy. I’m only aware of one case in which someone used their rifle for murder.
Obama’s appointed Attorney General Holder explains for Brian Milligan why this was not a hate crime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOABBn5Tnm0
“The (native born white) hungarian population is totally unaware of the reality about blacks. Based on Hollywood movies they actually beleive the fairy tales about decent black people, I want to destroy that preconception.”
Dear Janos: That is exactly the way the American population (most of it) sees Hungarian Gypsies (Ooops! “Roma”, I’m supposed to say) —- a romanticized Hollywood view of colorful, artistic, talented people who are cruelly oppressed by the majority population. These wonderful people are persecuted and abused for no reason whatever. It’s all just a matter of bigotry and hate.
“Actually Bob Grant fills in for some of the WABC host now and then. He was the greatest who dared to say what others dared not.”
He was good, and he was all we had at the time, when there was no Internet. But he was absolutely intolerant of anybody probing too deeply into WHY we were having all these racial problems back then. You could call in to vent and gripe all you want, but don’t come too close to the roots of the problem, or he’d cut you off abruptly. And savagely! People learned to know better. The conversation was controlled, not open. You had to talk the way he wanted you to talk and say the things he wanted you to say. Some topics were totally beyond the pale of discussion. Therefore, in the long run he provided little more than entertainment and a safety valve for the festering anger that was out there.
Seen in retrospect, I believe he really was of very little help to us at all. He was a decoy. In fact, people like Bob Grant are merely safety valves that draw off excess anger and dispel it harmlessly. They serve a purpose. But it’s not our purpose. He would never have been on the radio at all if he wasn’t serving someone’s purpose.
I remember years ago that he used to say, “They (Blacks) have declared war on us (Whites), but we haven’t figured it out yet.”
Very true. And we still haven’t, have we?
So how much good did Bob Grant do, other than provide some entertainment and siphon off anger? (Oh, yes …. and make money for himself and the station.)
In the end, he had been chastized and, as GWO said, “even he appeared to be worshiping at the feet of MLK”.
The whole concept of “hate crimes” is really wrong. it involves prosecuting thought.
And setting up special categories of victims — crimes against which are prosecuted more severely than against “ordinary” victims.
This is definitely a double standard of justice. It could, in time, lead us to a new caste system — (I’m talking about decades or even centuries) — in which some categories of people are intrinsically held to be more important, more valued, than others.
It doesn’t bode well for democracy, and I don’t like it.
“What are the Chinese doing in Hungary? Who did let them in and for what reason?”
There are Chinese to be found all over Europe. I don’t know what is the reason, but they are there.
They are not conspicuous and they are well behaved. But they are there. They are industrious and enterprising. Unlike the blacks and Arabs, they are busy working or studying and they are not chasing the women. But they are there.
jewamongyou wrote at 9:45 PM on September 4:
And yet I’d be willing to bet dollars to donuts that some of his assailants have white girlfriends. It is this double standard that is, even by itself, a clear indicator of racial oppression. Whites are being oppressed. No blacks.
Other amrenners have probably noticed how many black men like to hump white women, but these same black men go ballistic if they see a white man with a black woman. A blogger who identified himself simply as “Irish” may have given the best explanation for this phenomenon:
I think you should point out how the double standard is inevitable given biology.
A tribe which celebrates its male conquests of alien women but closely and jealously protects its own women from alien men is going to spread its genes much more successfully than a neighboring tribe which is indifferent about who impregnates its women. In fact the latter tribe will over the course of time carry more and more of the former tribe’s genes as its wombs are colonized and its resources and fitness are used to care for the former tribe’s offspring.
After a while there would be no tribes left that are indifferent and it becomes a race to see who has the stronger double standard.
We are all descendants of this process.
“A white male dating a black female? I have never seen such a thing. I cannot say how many times I have seen white females with black males, but never on one occasion have I seen it the other way around.
Bingo! There you’ve hit it. I think you’ve got something there!
In the USA, and everywhere, white male/black female combos are rare, unless she’s a prostitute. Only in France do you commonly see this pairing — white men with black girlfirnds or wives. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist here, but we’re not that far gone, and it’s RARE for find a white boy with a black girlfriend.
If he’s really a white boy, that is!
Therefore, your last sentence really hits the mark, Mr. Dobell. Very perceptive! You’re the first one here to see that point. I suspect he’s not fully white either, and I suspect that’s the reason that the “black community” and the press have suddenly taken an interest in this matter. Until now, their interest was nil. Suddenly, they’re expressing outrage. Since when before did the “black community” ever express outrage about a black attacking a white?
And Poster #44: You’re missing the point too. It’s Mr. Dobell’s LAST sentence that’s significant.
Why do I keep hearing (and seeing) more and more cases of white men hooking up with black women? In the area I live in, I see it more than the other way around. Statistics show that in hispanic/white and asian/white couples, the man is white more than the other way around. How much longer will it be before the same holds true for black/white couples? Stop acting as if white women are the only ones guilty of interracial marriage and dating.
“…MY position is simply that a society without guns is naturally safer than a society with guns, mostly because it is just EASIER for people to kill each other in a society with guns…”
In this day and age this proposition is simply not realistic.
We must live in reality such as it is: A government-created, multi-ethnic society with large numbers of violent, White-hating, welfare-dependent non-Whites AND the threat of mass violence when the fiat dollar finally implodes and we are faced with massive unemployment and inflation. The parasitic classes will take to the streets when the hand-outs dry up.
You’ll be glad you’re armed.
A society with guns is a safer society as scholar and statistician Professor John Lott proved in ‘More Guns Less Crime’:
“…The analysis is based on data for all 3,054 counties in the United States during 18 years from 1977 to 1994: States with the largest increases in gun ownership also have the largest drops in violent crimes.
After more relaxed concealed-carry laws were enacted, murders fell an average of 8 percent, rapes 5 percent and aggravated assaults 7 percent. During the same time period, the national murder rate increased 24 percent, and rapes 71 percent.
For each additional year that a concealed handgun law is in effect the murder rate declines by 3 percent, rape by 2 percent, and robberies by over 2 percent….a woman carrying a concealed handgun reduces the murder rate for women by about 3 to 4 times…”
http://tinyurl.com/22yo4
And this:
“…Simply displaying a weapon might well make them draw theirs and fire first!!!…”
This is why it is imperative to practice using a gun, and be prepared to use it if necessary. Here are what the empirical studies say:
“…More than 90 percent of all uses of guns in self-defense do not involve actually firing the weapon. ..Criminologist Gary Kleck estimates that 2.5 million Americans use guns for defensive purposes each year, and approximately 400,000 of them believe someone would have been dead had they not resorted to their defensive use of firearms. A government study put the figure at 1.5 million…”
All the evidence points to safer communities when the populace is armed—criminals think twice about confronting those who are willing to defend themselves with deadly force.
I’d rather throw my lot with the 400,000 than become a murder or rape statistic because I was unarmed and defenseless.
Women’s Rights = The Right to Defend One’s Self with Deadly Force
Bon
“A tribe which celebrates its male conquests of alien women, but closely and jealously protects its own women from alien men, is going to spread its genes much more successfully than a neighboring tribe which is indifferent about who impregnates its women.
Like cuckoos, blacks don’t pay any great amount of attention to raising their plentiful offspring. They leave it for us to do that.
“… Why is it that I find a strong correlation that shows countries with low violent crime rates being the same countries that don’t allow their citizens to carry guns (i.e. Japan, North Europe, England..)
Your statement is not true.
Japan, unlike the US, is a homogeneous society without a large, violent, angry, aggrieved anti-Japanese population. They have turned to robotics rather than import non-Japanese as workers. Maybe they’ve studied the demographics changes in the US and have wisely rejected that path for themselves.
Northern Europe continues to allow mass immigration from North and Sub-Saharan Africa with the following results:
“…The number of rape charges in Sweden has tripled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six—6—times as common today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban areas… 30 guests in a Swedish public bath watched as a 17-year old girl was raped recently, and nobody did anything.
In Norway and Denmark, we know that non-Western immigrants, which frequently means Muslims, are grossly overrepresented on rape statistics….”
http://tinyurl.com/l2kmbr
The vast majority of these rapes in Sweden, Denmark and Norway are caused by muslim immigrants. Criminals and rapists prey on those who are unable to defend themselves. Maybe it’s time they allowed their population to arm themselves.
England does not have low violent crime rates.
Here is some information about England after stringent gun control laws were passed and an outright ban on handguns became law in 1997:
“… in the four years from 1997 to 2001, the rate of violent crime more than doubled. Your chances of being mugged in London are now six times greater than in New York. England’s rates of assault, robbery, and burglary are far higher than America’s, and 53 percent of English burglaries occur while occupants are at home, compared with 13 percent in the U.S., where burglars admit to fearing armed homeowners more than the police. In a United Nations study of crime in 18 developed nations published in July, England and Wales led the Western world’s crime league, with nearly 55 crimes per 100 people…”
London’s Evening Standard reported that armed crime, with banned handguns the weapon of choice, was ‘rocketing.’ In the two years following the 1997 handgun ban, the use of handguns in crime rose by 40 percent, and the upward trend has continued…”
http://tinyurl.com/2832xt
This reversed centuries of British Common Law where individuals were permitted and expected to defend themselves, their property and their neighbors with deadly force. William Blackstone listed personal security as the number one component of Common Law. This legal tenant was passed on to Americans.
Too bad it’s been overturned in England by politicians who themselves don’t have to worry about living with the consequences of their stupid actions.
Bon
Courtney:
The fact is that White male/Black female couples are becoming more and more commonplace. Secondly, they tend to be more upscale couples as well.
“Stop acting as if white women are the only ones guilty of interracial marriage and dating.”
White males have been fornicating with non white women all around the world for the last 500 years or so. They are trying to find a way to have access to the women of other races while reproducing their own race. They are very frustrated and confused because they know they can’t have it both ways. Their multicultural lifestyle is failing them but aiding nonwhites.
Interesting, Bon….because when I search homicide rates for different countries (the most serious instance of violent crime, and what I was talking about), I find that the United Kingdom, Finland, Denmark, Norway, Japan, and a slew of other nations rank safer than the United States.
http://tinyurl.com/r7het
Now, it seems that one of us must be distorting our findings, or else finding faulty information. Methinks its you Bon.
I live in a small town in central Nebraska. There is a college here, enrollment about 6500 students, and in the two months that I have been living in this town I have never seen a white guy with a black woman. in fact I have never seen a black woman with even a black guy, but I have seen a great deal of black guys with white women, and alot of white women walking around with black kids, father of those kids is absent, no surprise.
“They (white males) are trying to find a way to have access to the women of other races while reproducing their own race”.
Easy, build a wall and deport them all. Except the ones married to a white and until the day they are no longer married to a white male. Pretty simple, really.
Courtney wrot: Why do I keep hearing (and seeing) more and more cases of white men hooking up with black women? In the area I live in, I see it more than the other way around.
Yeah I see more of it too. Actually I rarely actually see white women out with black men, but seeing white women (alone) with mulatto kids is fairly frequent.
PJ: Except that the UK, Japan and the three Scandinavian countries you mentioned don’t have as many blacks and Hispanics as the United States does. (Notice that Sweden, another Scandinavian country, isn’t on your list. Reason? Somali immigration.)
Here’s a comparison for you: Vermont, hardly any gun control, vs Washington, D.C., so much gun control that the Supreme Court had to step in. As liberal as Vermontians are, God love them (as I grit my teeth and bite my tongue), they are white, and a rather advanced white.
“They (white males) are trying to find a way to have access to the women of other races while reproducing their own race”.
But when black men have access to women of other races, their children are Black!
PJ writes to Bon:
“… I find that the United Kingdom, Finland, Denmark, Norway, Japan, and a slew of other nations rank safer than the United States…”
Japan is safe because it is a homogeneous society, not because the government does not allow the populace to carry guns. When Japanese move to areas such as the US, where guns are available, their crime rates continue to remain low.
As for the United Kingdom, according to research scientist Dr. Blanks from Doctors For Sensible Gun Laws:
“…the violent crime levels in England have risen during the past year by more than 15%. The home invasion, burglary, robbery, and a wide range of other crime rates in England now exceed that of the U.S. Only murder and rape remain higher in the U.S., with the difference now being relatively minor and the gap is steadily closing…”
http://tinyurl.com/cetxs6
The governments of The United Kingdom, Norway, Finland, Sweden and Denmark are busy replacing the native White populations with non-White, low IQd, violence-prone refugees and immigrants. This replacement population is responsible for soaring crime rates in their new countries, especially as these governments do not allow citizens to defend themselves against violence.
And these immigrants have birthrates approximately three times that of the native population.
Here are the crime rate ratios in England:
Whites 1.0
South Asians 1.3
Blacks 8.1
Now here are the birthrates as reported by Professor Lynn:
“…the white fertility rate is 1.6 children per woman, while blacks and the Indians have about 30 percent more children than whites at 2.2 and 2.3. The Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Somalis have 5.0, more than three times the number of children as whites.
Hence by 2061 about two thirds of the population of Britain will be of non-European origin, while about one third will be white…”
http://tinyurl.com/lfejst
The same thing is happening in the US, by government design. The difference? We are allowed to defend ourselves with deadly force if need be.
You will never convince me that governments that disarm their populations make them safer.
Let’s see, which one would I trust more to protect me and my loved ones—a White-hating government that is hell-bent on replacing me, my loved ones and my heritage with a White-hating population—or my trusty pump action Mossberg loaded with #4 buckshot?
I’ll take the 12-gauge shot gun.
Bon
Up until “equal rights” were forced upon the American people any black man foolish enough to date a white woman usually wound up decorating a tree somewhere.
White men can continue to whine about this pathetic situation forever or they can put their foot down and end it. It is entirely up to them…
