BBC News, July 8, 2009
The EU should sink boats carrying illegal immigrants to prevent them entering Europe, British National Party leader Nick Griffin has told the BBC.
The MEP for the North-West of England said the EU had to get “very tough” with migrants from sub-Saharan Africa.
Pressed on what should happen to those on board, he said: “Throw them a life raft and they can go back to Libya”.
Libya has long been a staging post for migrants from Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa wanting to reach Europe.
Nearly 37,000 immigrants landed on Italian shores last year, an increase of about 75% on the year before.
But with the prospect of a new immigration and asylum policy being voted on this autumn by MEPs, Mr Griffin is advocating measures to destroy boats used by illegal immigrants to reach the EU’s southern coastline.
‘Combating the flow’
In an interview with this week’s edition of BBC Parliament’s The Record Europe, he said: “If there’s measures to set up some kind of force or to help, say the Italians, set up a force which actually blocks the Mediterranean then we’d support that.
“But the only measure, sooner or later, which is going to stop immigration and stop large numbers of sub-Saharan Africans dying on the way to get over here is to get very tough with those coming over.
“Frankly, they need to sink several of those boats.
“Anyone coming up with measures like that we’ll support but anything which is there as a ‘oh, we need to do something about it’ but in the end doing something about it means bringing them into Europe’ we will oppose.”
The interviewer, BBC Correspondent Shirin Wheeler, said: “I don’t think the EU is in the business of murdering people at sea.”
Mr Griffin replied: “I didn’t say anyone should be murdered at sea—I say boats should be sunk, they can throw them a life raft and they can go back to Libya.
“But Europe has sooner or later to close its borders or its simply going to be swamped by the Third World.”
In May, the Italian government gave Libya three patrol boats as part of a deal aimed at combating the flow of illegal migrants making the crossing to Italy.
Italian Interior Minister Roberto Maroni, a member of the anti-immigration Lega Nord party, hailed the first 200 migrants picked up by the boats and returned to Libya as an “historic” moment.
But human rights groups have raised concerns about Italy sending migrants back to Libya without first screening them for asylum claims or to discover whether they are sick, injured, unaccompanied children or victims of human trafficking.
Libya has no functioning asylum system and is not a party to the 1951 UN convention relating to the status of refugees.
‘Influence’
Separately Mr Griffin, who will next week formally take up his seat in Brussels, has admitted that the BNP has failed to convince other like-minded parties to form an alliance in the new European Parliament.
Talks with France’s Front National, Lega Nord, and other groups fell apart, with Lega Nord now joining the new Europe of Freedom and Democracy group, led by Britain’s UK Independence Party.
Mr Griffin told The Parliament.com: “We needed at least 25 members from seven different member states to form a group. There is no doubt that we would have been able to wield a lot more influence if we could have formed a group.
“No one was prepared to commit themselves knowing that we had not got Lega Nord on board.
“Even so, we will continue to work together with these other groups and share ideas. We will have less access to things like speaking time and committee votes but it’s too bad.”
The BNP advocates British withdrawal from the European Union and an end to all immigration to the UK and last month won its first two seats in the European Parliament.
Mr Griffin and the party’s other recently-elected MEP Andrew Brons will sit in the “non-attached” section of the Parliament, which means they will be entitled to less administrative and financial support.
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(Posted on July 9, 2009)
Comments
I was not aware that immigrants were coming in directly in boats over there (like here in US). It sort of reminds me of a book some years ago: The Camp of the Saints which was a cautionary tale about unrestricted immigration. I have to get another copy and reread the book. It is about a compassionate Europe which allows a lot of “refugees” to come in, and are, for their trouble, overrun and destroyed.
‘Sink the boats.’ What a stupid thing to say. Way to make friends and influence people, Griffin. Is he trying to sabotage this opportunity to actually get something done to prevent immigration? How is ‘sink the boats’ going to get people to take the BNP seriously?
A nation should have no obligation to “screen” illegals for political asylum reasons or any other reason. If someone is not a citizen or legal resident of a nation, and they impose themselves into that nation by air, ground, or water, the nation has the right of self-defense. It may use force including deadly force.
This will discourage the outside invaders. Because the definition of illegal immigrant is invader. All they are owed is a check of papers. Otherwise, it’s a free fire zone.
I still cannot believe Europe voluntarily let millions of alien Muslims into Christian civilization, aliens who have nothing but hate in their hearts for Europeans and their culture.
Nick Griffin and the BNP have got some flak for this but not anywhere near as much as they would have received a year or more ago. Due to the popularity of the BNP site the mainstream media demonising of the BNP is nowhere near as effective as before so rather than have their lies backfire on themselves the media have employed a policy of ignoring news about the BNP which is now mostly good as only the blindest of the blind believe anything the present New Labour government say. How things have changed in the last few months. It’s a pity the BNP could not find a formal nationalist grouping to join in the EU Parliament which would guarantee funding, but the BNP have informal agreements with nationalist from five or six other countries. It’s best to be allied only with those you are certain want the same as you rather than be hamstrung by parties who have some different objectives than you do.
This article fits in well with Garrett Hardin’s “Lifeboat Ethics” argument. This should be mandatory reading for every human on this planet especially before he/she reaches the age of puberty.
http://www.garretthardinsociety.org/articles/art_lifeboat_ethics_case_against_helping_poor.html
As an aside, I note with pleasure that the BBC now considers its audience familiar enough with the BNP that they can run a headline like “Sink Immigrants’ Boats — Griffin” identifying Mr. Griffin with only his surname, with no need to explain it as “— Nick Griffin” or “— BNP’s Griffin” safe in the knowledge that the average reader will know who they’re referring to. It means the BNP has reached a level of fame, and that Griffin himself has become a household name.
This makes me very happy.
So does the fact that, since Griffin was elected to the EU Parliament last month, the Bolshevik Broadcasting Commission is now forced to report statements about how we should sink immigrant boats.
Shame about BNP not being able to come to terms with other Euro nationalist parties at EU. Anybody know what’s preventing an alliance with Lega Nord? Or if some agreement might still be reached? Because I believe it would only be to ALL those “far right” parties’ benefit if such an alliance could be arranged.
The interviewer, BBC Correspondent Shirin Wheeler, said: “I don’t think the EU is in the business of murdering people at sea.”
Well, not directly, no. But by holding out the promise of asylum they are encouraging more people to make the journey in unsafe boats. And many will die needlessly. So the EU’s soft policies on illegal immigration actually are leading to a lot of deaths. Griffin’s "get tough" policies would save a lot of lives.
Well, I don’t believe in sinking people’s boats and allowing them to die, but I do believe the minute they set set foot in European waters or manage to make it unto European soil, they are forced to turn around and/or deported. Better yet, if Europe stopped giving them jobs or welfare or asylum, they’d stop coming in the first place.
Camp Of The Saints is very telling. I believe it was written in the 70’s by Jean Raspail… We see it happening right now. Just shows how sick White altruism really is when it is heaped on the nonwhite hoardes of the world. Altruism was meant for those in your own race.
Remember the ‘boat people’ fleeing Vietnam in their thousands after the Communist takeover? Many perished at sea, many were robbed by Thai pirates* and some of these were murdered.
Joan Baez, to her great credit, prevailed upon Jimmy Carter to send U.S. Navy vessels to the rescue. [It is interesting to compare and contrast her political attitudes at this time with those of Jane Fonda.]
Not everyone welcomed these boat people with open arms; the Home Minister of Malaysia said bluntly that the Malaysian security forces would “shoot them” if they attempted to land in Malaysia.
This was widely reported and attracted much negative comment. The Minister swiftly backtracked and said that there’d been a misunderstanding; what he’d actually said, or had really MEANT to say, was ” … shoo them away.”
* Many of these Thai pirates were from the large island of Koh Chang, close to the border between Thailand and Cambodia. It’s interesting to visit what is now a popular holiday island and observe that some - not all - families are living in rather posher accomodation than one might expect. They’re obviously far better money managers than I am.
It’s a war of attrition and interdiction. If you can disembark the asylum seekers in North Africa and sink the smugglers boats faster than they can replace them, you will win the naval battle.
The Euro newspapers can report the tonnage of invasion boats sunk each month and call it ‘victory at sea’.
I agree with Ludwig, Griffin should know better than to make statements that he surely knows will be misinterpreted and which will be used as ‘evidence’ of his raving jackboot Nazism!. Far more sensible, would be for him to suggest towing the boats back out into international waters, give them a few days supplies & fix the rudder - direction South, under no circumstances should any of these people be allowed to set foot in Europe. I would like to see Spain get rid of those two cities, Ceuta and Melilla, in N. Africa. What purpose do they serve except as a draw for all and sundry.
Its amazing how Marxist brainwashing works isnt it? Cognition itself is short circuited. The mind sets out to hear what it is told to hear..and thats what it hears.Notice how the Marxist
Need to be a little more savy Mr Griffin.
The priority of any Government is to protect its own people.The problem with a Communist Government is that it does not have ‘its own people’ because it is Internationalist and seeks to destroy the very Nation of people who foolishly elected it.Using force to deter these invaders will only be possible if the E.U. contains enough M.E.P.s who care more about ‘their own people’.
Ludwig,
Well, if it’s a choice between the race-replacement of the Native Born English and sinking the boats of the nonwhites who will bring about the race-replacement of the Native English. the choice is kind of obvious. Isn’t it?
The boat immigrants are the future rapers of Native English Women and future murderers of Native English Men. What could be more obvious?
The Native English are under no obligation to commit race suicide because the muslims,jamaicans,hindus and sihks in England demand it.
Here is a link to a site where you can read Camp of the Saints for free…..
http—www.jrbooksonline.com-PDFs-Camp_of_the_Saints.pdf
(simply paste that into your browser and the pdf file will automatically appear)
The translation is a bit choppy and at times is a little dull, but it’s definitely worth a read.
‘Sink the boats.’ What a stupid thing to say. Way to make friends and influence people, Griffin. Is he trying to sabotage this opportunity to actually get something done to prevent immigration? How is ‘sink the boats’ going to get people to take the BNP seriously?
Mmmm, I agree here Ludwig. I wondered whether Nick actually said that directly, or was taken out of context, you can’t trust the PCBBC. If he did say that, he’s shooting the BNP in the foot, the general public of the UK doesn’t want more 3rd W immigration, but callousness is not endearing in any way to the British general public.
Just an aside here: I viewed a BBC broadcast recently about the EVIL BNP, Combat 18 and the usual magical BBC infiltrator that used to be part of the organisation, anyway C18 (about four of them) were in the pub and Nick was distributing flyers nearby and magical BBC infiltrator (that used to be in C18) says, “Griffin’s ‘round the corner, let’s meet him”, they say “alright”. Anyway, magical BBC infiltrator reveals the horrible revelation that Nick was chummy with those chaps and said ‘we’re all on the same side’.
When Western nations take actions that cause the endless hoards of illegal aliens to fear more for their lives than they covet our jobs, housing and free social services; then and only then will the dregs of the third world return to their homelands and stop invading white countries…
As usual, the media only part reports the facts. The problem was being debated on how to stop the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants every year entering Europe and a figure of over 144 thousand was quoted as being those who have been allowed to stay in Britain so far because the sheer numbers have overwhemlmed the legal system in Britain, especailly where due to EU (not original British laws (now EU “Human rights”, but never the indigenous in Europe?) the illegals are allowed at taxpayer’s expense to spend sometimes years using the British Courts to dispute being deported. Then after 7 years of living in Britain they then demand British passports/citizenship.
See the full report at: http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/sink-the-boats-144000-bogus-asylum-seekers-get-to-stay-simply-by-overwhelming-the-system/
Incidentally the BNP web site is now openly admitted by the British media as to being the most widely read of all the political parties’ web-sites so all is not yet lost and it shows why the other parties are using foul lying propaganda to besmirch the BNP, but the man in the street is not being fooled as he/she is having to live with the results of the failures of recent past and the current governments.
As has often been said, there is no bad publicity unless there is no publicity. The adverse comments from failing political parties are causing voters to find out more about the BNP and what they see is that members are 99% ordinary people, mny college educated (degrees)including wives and mothers who are very worried about the future for the indigenous Brits as supporters of AMREN are for the USA.
So hang on in there and keep the faith, and keep writing your views to your Press. national and local as well as your political representatives. Just write the facts as the truth must eventually win as I bother to write here and to the Brit Press on the same subjects. I am not a racist, just a realist.
How does Mr. Griffin propose to sink these boats (asking out of professional curiosity more than anything)?
While many people may think this, it is unacceptable to say so because the British public craves respectability over everything and this is not very respectable. Certainly, these boats full of economic refugees need to be interdicted off the coastal waters and the illegal immigrants (“migrants” in BBC Land) must be returned to their home countries. It is easier to turn them away at sea than finding them among the general and increasing diverse population. I support Mr. Griffin but he must be more guarded in his comments. Of course, anything he says will be twisted and taken out of context by the controlled media.
2 — ludwig wrote at 5:57 PM on July 9:
What opportunity exactly are you referring to? For years the BNP have been demonised and silenced by the mainstream media & kept to the fringes of society. Now, thanks to the hard work on their website, the BNP have turned things around and more and more people believe in their truth and only the blindest of the blind believe anything the neo-Marxist pro-EU New Labour government say. In short, the demonising don’t work no more & the mainstream media are now scared to fabricate their usual lies about the BNP because people now know the real truth and the media are afraid it will backfire on them. Nick Griffin took a calculated risk to let the British people know that he can now state what they have been thinking for years but unable to say due to political correctness which was along these lines, echoing what Ugo Bossi of the Northern League in Italy said in 2003: ”sink their own rickety boats and put them on life rafts and send them back to Africa. The message will get out that Europe is full”. He did not advocate killing anybody, and I believe his calculated risk has worked, for he has far more people for him than against. Political correctness in the UK has just been taken down a notch thanks to Nick Griffin.
“How does Mr. Griffin propose to sink these boats (asking out of professional curiosity more than anything)?”
The Royal Navy has aircraft carriers, submarines, and nuclear missiles and torpedoes. I think they can get the job done.
It’s interesting that Nick Griffin goes on about how he believes in ‘non-violence’. His enemies could surely take his comments out of context creating more trouble for Nick Griffin.
I often wonder if Nick Griffin is just another ‘far-right’ agent provocateur (and he almost certainly is just another in my opinion) but for some reason I don’t mind his comments here. Here he’s like the controversial American politician.
I doubt sinking the boats is necessary to stop this illegal immigration. The British just need to stop being so stupidly sap-hearted about such immigrant “rights”. First off stop falling for the scam of reacting to bleeding heart’s calling whatever they want to see a “human right”. Junk any such “human rights” claims for asylum and due process such as providing citizenship after 7 years. The simple rule should be to immediately arrest and deport ASAP all such boat people who get around interception and blocking efforts on the seas. (illegals don’t get to hang around for years filing appeals swamping the system)
When the 3ird world gets word that the Brits aren’t the sappy heart pushovers for national suicide they once were they’ll concentrate on going to the sappy heart locations in Europe and hopefully live close to the idiotic bleeding hearts there.
It’s a matter of will to survive for the British (like they once had during WWII). I suspect they will have to elect the BNP, at least for a while, to be able to save themselves.
For those of you who are quick to admonish Nick Griffin for his remark, I don’t think there are too many people who haven’t said to someone in a fit of anger, “I’m gonna kill you!” I believe he was trying to drive home a point; enough is enough. I personally agree with him because compassionate white societies can’t show their soft underbellies fast enough to the rest of the world who have no problem with exploiting it to their advantage. You fight “fire” with an even bigger “fire” if you want to survive and I for one want my race to survive. No apologies.
As here in the USA, if Europe wants this to stop, then cut off the reasons they come. If Europe cuts off the asylum, jobs and welfare and makes it plain they will immediately deport anyone who lands illegally on European soil, no questions asked, then the boats will stop coming immediately. If the USA did the same, the Mexicans etc. would stop coming. Cutting off the incentives for coming is the easiest and best way.
Nick Griffin is right and correct, of course. Whether on land or on sea, the invasion from the Third World is not going to stop as long as the invader has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
This nonsense could be stopped dead in its tracks by morning if we would actually make an effort to do so. But because we doubt and we hesitate, we actually make the problem worse. If the invader cannot be turned back on land or at sea, there will be more coming. If we cannot do interior enforcement and deportation, those already here will only encourage others to make the trip. If we continue to allow employers to ignore the law (and profit handsomely) by hiring the illegal aliens, then we have to spend much more public money to police our borders.
It all begins at home, folks. Stop the illegal hiring and we won’t need to sink any boats.
Bill, politicians are supposed to advocate reasonable policy and be above saying whatever comes into their heads.
The Rightist parties have an historical opportunity to make an impact on immigration. If they are a bunch of fools, the opportunity will be wasted. When people cry about how everyone is against us, you will have no one to blame if you defend such antics.
You don’t shoot a beggar that comes to your door. You just make him go away. If you are really good, you arrange things so that he doesn’t come back soon. Let the policy fit the threat. You don’t win people over to your side by saying you are going to shoot beggars.
For those that wonder if sinking boats in the open sea results in people dying, I suggest you watch a WWII naval battle tv re-run sometime.
When Western nations take actions that cause the endless hoards of illegal aliens to fear more for their lives than they covet our jobs, housing and free social services; then and only then will the third world return to their homelands and stop invading white countries…
ABSOLUTELY TRUE, every word..there are NO illegal immigrants in Kuwait or Saudia that don’t fear for their very lives. No welfare either, despite one of the muslim pillars being charity.
It’s difficult to predict how people will react to statements. Perhaps some will hear Griffin as being dangerous and inhumane, others will hear Griffin as being a serious defender of Europe against the invasion from Africa. Certainly an anti-invasion platform could be fashioned using calm, reasonable, scientific language such as we get here at AmRen. That’s convincing for some people but not everyone. The BBC is being irresponsible in reacting to Griffin’s inflammatory words but not reacting to his more measured words of the AmRen style. It seems to me that Griffin should try to maintain a balance in using the two styles. Sometimes be rough and inflammatory, other times be calm and measured. I’d recommend the latter more often but there is a need for the former once in a while.
Skip and 20-Anonymous, there is absolutely no need nor justification to make poor stupid Africans in sea shanties fear for their lives. You simply dock them, give them a bite and band-aid if they need one, and send them back from whence they came on a real boat, end of story.
Bluster about how noble it is to defend the European homeland by firing on the boats of unarmed pathetic creatures does not win symapthy for your cause.
Of course we here are all frustrated by the ascendancy of the policies of suicidal liberalism but that does not justify firing rockets when all that is required is a firm hand. It is for the firm hand that we should advocate and that is the only policy that has the chance to convince others.
Recent revelations in the British press have indicated that Pakistanis holding British passports underwent torture in foreign nations with the full conivance, knowledge, permission and consent of very senior Labour Party cabinet ministers up to and including Tony Blair.
Regarding “Camp of the Saints”, I agree with Gay Conservative that the translation is poor. While the story and the premise of the book are fascinating, the translation leaves a lot to be desired. Personally, I found it rather tedious and dull. That’s a shame because it needs to be read by as many as possible, not to turn them off.
The EU should sink boats carrying illegal immigrants to prevent them entering Europe, British National Party leader Nick Griffin has told the BBC. The MEP for the North-West of England said the EU had to get “very tough” with migrants from sub-Saharan Africa.
“Sink the boats” is not as horrifying as so many of the readers imagine. In Australia, we literally burn the boats.
The practical destruction of the boats results quite simply in less boats: less voyages. Owners of the ‘asylum’ boats become reluctant to hire out their boats or ships to the people smugglers.
Perhaps, Nick Griffin is simply as pragmatic as we are in Australia. Just destroy the means of transport.
Summerfield:
Come to think if it, you’re right. Didn’t former PM John Howard burn one of these “asylum boats,” named the Tampa, only days before his attempt to retain his title as PM in 2001 or 2004?
38-Question Diversity: Howard did not burn the Tampa. He refused to let it enter Australian waters. I wish Griffin and some of you Amreners would take note of that. That is a fine policy and I would completely support Griffin if he had said to do the same. There is no reason not to employ such a policy but there is certainly reason not to sink unarmed vessels—unless that is, we are trying our utmost to discredit our cause.
34-Kenelm Digby, if you cannot understand that sinking unarmed vessels filled with pathetic immigrants is different from self-defense measures “resected for centuries” such as which led to the sinking of the Spanish Armada, I don’t know what to say, because you have lost a sense of proportion, and therefore apparently either some of your reason or some of your humanity.
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34-Kenelm Digby, if you cannot understand that sinking unarmed vessels filled with pathetic immigrants is different from self-defense measures “resected for centuries”
Ludwig fails to grasp that these ships are filled with INVADERS, not “pathetic immigrants”. Any country has a full right to protect itself from INVASION!
I suppose he would also fail to see any difference between guests and burglars.
Try to understand, Ludwig: The word here is INVASION!
Sink the boats
Oh how horrifying!!
What a terrible concept!!
You mean wicked nazis!!!
The illegal invaders are people too.
You must treat them with kindness and love and mercy.
God bless Nick Griffin.
Anonymous 41—Try to understand, Ludwig: The word here is INVASION!
I’m not denying the danger of Europe being swamped with Africans. The threat of that event is already materializing. But this invasion, like the invasion on our southern border, is more akin to a response to an INVITATION than an invasion. As many here have already noted, the responsible thing to do is to rescind the invitation, and, if they still want to crash the party, firmly turn them away.
If they want a fight after that, well, that is another story.
But if your FIRST impulse on seeing a beggar is to blow holes in him with your sawed-off, you are, well, a murderer. Because, yes, 42-Kulaks—illegal immigrants are people too.
