India Girls Plough Fields to Bring Rain: Naked Ritual

I’m surprised there are any girls left in India.

Bihar and Andhra Pradesh are said to be the most deluded states in India. Andhra Pradesh also has the highest concentration of Brahmins. Next time some Indian lectures you about contrived white racism remind him of how his co-ethnics treat dalits, women and foreigners(white women in India.)

I work with many East Indian engineers. Some have heavy British accents. Most have degrees in computer science or electrical engineering from top American universities.

They tend to be very arrogant, constantly commenting that American public schools are lax compared to India and Americans are too lazy to get into engineering graduate schools.

When they get like this I will ask questions such a “How can the elite Indian school system deny 400 million people basic reading skills, leaving them in abject poverty?”

They always say that my numbers are wrong…so I revise my statement. “OK you’re right only 300 million are illiterate.” They usually agree and I say “with the population of the US at 300 million, India has the same number of people who can’t even read a math book, that is terrrible!” At this point they leave my presence shaking their heads.

Of course he ultimate proof of India’s failure as a society is the fact that so many of their ELITES are scratching and clawing to get an H1B and come to America…with its lax school system and lazy students.

“So as the India girls plough fields to bring rain (naked), they will continue to do so until it “rains very heavily”.

Yes, but I’m pretty sure there’s a lot more to the story than that.

For example I expect that there’s a fairly large audience of males hiding in the foilage along the fields getting quite an eyeful as the girls are plowing, thinking about how clever their male ancestors were to create this myth in the first place.

Is it not funny? It used to be that the foreign nationals who came into someones nation, needed to be educated to the culture of that nation, not the ohter way around. It was called assimilation.

Thomas Jackson,

I have been around Indians who act that way also. In recent years I have come up with an argument that points out how silly their claims are.

Even though I don’t encourage it, the reason why white kids can be spoiled and lazy is because their ancestors toiled and toiled creating the great modern societies they live in today.

Right now, the Indians are trying to play catch up. So of course their students who they send to the U.S. are mostly going to be focused on mathematics and engineering. They need to learn those things in order to catch up with us. Their country is a dump right now, so they have to learn about OUR science and math (yes it IS OURS ) in order to get anywhere.

While I am not encouraging American kids to be lazy, I think this right here is a very thought provoking point, and it is something so very obvious that, for Indians to come up to me hatefully and arrogantly bragging about how most engineering students in American colleges are Indian, they are exposing their own folly and stupidity on the matter.

How dare they even for one minute assume that all this means that their people are more brilliant than ours. Give me a break.

So as the India girls plough fields to bring rain (naked), they will continue to do so until it “rains very heavily”.
The fields in Bihar are in dire need of the moisture, and this is the worst start of the monsoon season in over 80 years.
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Of course, in due time, the monsoon will arrive and it will start to rain. This will “prove” that the tactic was a succesful one after all.

Ah! Such is the Third World mentality. And we are eager to bring more of these people, with their wonderful customs, here!!!

@Thomas Jackson,

Arab/Iranian immigrants are the same way. Very proud, off-hand remarks about the laziness of Americans. Most swarthy people from this region from the world are both chunky and boisterous, so its probably innate.

Silver lining. If so many of India’s students are literate they are therefore eligible for the Trends in International Math and Science study(TIMSS). This will give us a more accurate picture of how good/bad a country’s education/IQ is.

I got tired of an Iranian co-workers bad mouthing American kids and emailed him a link ranking countries by performance on these sort of tests. Shut him up. I think this will quiet Indians too.

“I think this right here is a very thought provoking point, and it is something so very obvious that, for Indians to come up to me hatefully and arrogantly bragging about how most engineering students in American colleges are Indian, they are exposing their own folly and stupidity on the matter.”
—Courtney
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It is a very annoying assumption of many of those who are newly arrived that they think America sprang into being the day before they stepped off the plane. Before that, they assume there was nothing here but wilderness.

All they know is what they see here RIGHT NOW. Well, surprise to them, the USA wasn’t built yesterday. We’ve been around for quite a while. I’m speaking of generations. Who do they think filled those classrooms (and founded those colleges) before they arrived? Yes, those classes (and businesses, and hospitals, etc.) were once all filled with “lazy” Americans who built them and staffed them quite competently, all by themselves, without needing any foreign help to run the show.

Some good points about India and other countries. The arrogance and disrespect of some of these people is amazing. I’ve always been told that when you go to another country and they allow you the priveledge of being let in, you respect that country as a guest by not openly criticizing it. It is very rude and disrepectful for them to come to OUR country and criticize it. Furthermore, they know nothing about our educational system except our universities, which they attend frequently. Also, on average, Americans are some of the hardest working people on earth, next to the Japanese. Look how little vacation we get. If their countries are so great, than why don’t they stay home. If their country were better, they wouldn’t be here.

Never understood why the anti-Arabism in this part of the world never translates much into anti-Hindu/anti-Desi sentiment. I mean come on, what exactly is the genetic (or for that matter cultural) difference between these peoples? Weren’t India’s Aryans from Iran or something?

In the Hindu Indian Religion, women who were Widowed had to throw themselves onto the cremation fires that were burning their Husbands’ bodies.

The women were thought of having nothing to live for, after their Husbands died, and had to die, as well.

The British Viceroy banned the practice.

I don’t care what they do in India. I do, however, care what happens in my own country.

You are missing the genius of all this. Under new legislation to allow abused women asylum in the US, these naked girls have a welcoming committee here waiting for them. And of course they wouldn’t be deprived of their family members company. Perhaps the Feds can provide a bit of stimulus money to pay their fares, house them, and feed them. Indigent medical care here is free as well. If you we an improverished third-worlder, wouldn’t you send you daughters out to plow the field naked for that deal?

These Indians are smart. I tried talking some american women to mow my lawn naked. They slapped me so hard, I almost fell over. I think it is because american women are lazy, caused by our inferior educational system LOL!

The docility and timidity of the Indian women I see (in the US and abroad) is almost disgusting.

The well-trained Third Worlders who come here are the elites of their own countries, and they despise their own lower class countrymen as much as they do Americans. Think about it, some Brahmin comes here, do you think he’s going to hold an American farmer in any higher esteem that the farmers in his own country? These people come from an ancient culture that tells them that the first thing to know about another person is their line of work/social status. Hindus in particular have to sort us out, place us in what they imagine is the right category, and treat us accordingly. The change that comes over a Hindu when they learn that the man in working clothes is a schoolteacher is remarkable.

Indian girls plowing the fields naked - does MTV have a crew filming this, by chance?

To flyingtiger:

You should have offered them money -not doing so, was your mistake. OLOLOLO. If you paid her enough, Lady GaGa would be happy to mow your lawn in the raw.

Roughly half of all Indians, and two-thirds of Indian women, are illiterate.

Roughly half of all Indians, and two-thirds of Indian women, are illiterate.

Your numbers are outdated. The latest from the CIA World Handbook.

Literacy: India
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 61%
male: 73.4%
female: 47.8% (2001 census)

15 — Anonymous wrote at 2:50 PM on July 26:
The docility and timidity of the Indian women I see (in the US and abroad) is almost disgusting.

I think you are in the minority though. Western men in general find these dusky daughters of the East delightfully enticing precisely because they are timid, small and submissive. The feminist revolution has redefined Western womanhood to such a great extent that feminine qualities are almost seen as signs of weakness and self-hatred among white women.

The docility and timidity of the Indian women I see (in the US and abroad) is almost disgusting.

I dare say that their docility and timidity has a lot to do with brutality and cruelty of Indian men. There are plentifull horror stories happening in Indian communities all over the western countries.Take a while to google it, if you will. Living in such violent, patriarchal societies will break even the strongest of women. The few that manage to pull out of the animalistic grip of indian men will end up on the front pages of newspapers. Before you express your disgust at their qualities, please take a look at the big picture.

Never understood why the anti-Arabism in this part of the world never translates much into anti-Hindu/anti-Desi sentiment. I mean come on, what exactly is the genetic (or for that matter cultural) difference between these peoples? Weren’t India’s Aryans from Iran or something?

10 — Anonymous wrote at 10:28 PM on July 25:

Anonymous,

Let me guess, are you Persian by any chance?
The fact is India’s Aryans were Indians only and
they did not come from Iran as you are claiming.

It was the Indo-European speaking Indian Aryans
who invaded Iran and Indo-Europeanized the Iranian
natives of the plateau. There is nothing in common
between Indians and Iranians whether genetically or
culturally.

Indians are a fundamentally different people from
Middle-Easterners. They are not the same at all.

Deva, the Dravidians possessed a Harrapan culture for thousands of years before your Russian/Scandianvian/Middle European ancestors came down the Kush, so I doubt they were from North India, or they would have been Dravidian.

Like most of the Aryanized mixed-bloods of North India, Deva has to tout Indian Nationalism because his Caucausoid type is a tiny minority in India.

I mean come on, what exactly is the genetic (or for that matter cultural) difference between these peoples?

Don’t be silly, the difference isn’t actually in the PEOPLE! the SERIOUS, INSURMOUNTABLE difference is the MUSLIM ideaology in which THERE IS NO ROOM FOR A NON-MUSLIM in a MUSLIM WORLD, this is NOT negotiable. Other religions, in general, don’t advocate the death or conversion of all others.

Deva, the Dravidians possessed a Harrapan culture for thousands of years before your Russian/Scandianvian/Middle European ancestors came down the Kush, so I doubt they were from North India, or they would have been Dravidian.

Like most of the Aryanized mixed-bloods of North India, Deva has to tout Indian Nationalism because his Caucausoid type is a tiny minority in India.

23 — Anonymous wrote at 3:19 PM on July 29:

Anonymous,

First of all, there is no proof that the original
Indo-Aryans were even of European stock. Nowhere in the
Rig-Veda (ie. the book of the Indo-Aryans) is there even a
hint that they were even European. In the Rig-Veda, the
word Aryan was used to describe the priestly families
(ie.Rishis) who were associated with the canonization of
the Rig-Veda and who were also of the Puru tribe ( an
Indian tribe).

The word “Aryan” itself doesn’t mean a particular racial
type. It was a term used for people who followed Vedic
culture (ie.ideologically speaking). In the Rig-Veda
itself, there is a passage that I will quote:

” Krunvantu Vishvam Aryam” (ie. Sanskrit passage).

Translation: “Make the whole world Aryan”.

It is clear that from the above statement, Aryan was
not used in a racial sense but rather in an ideological
sense, in this case a call to abide by and follow Vedic
culture. You seem to be confused about the meaning of
the word “Aryan” my dear.

As for Dravidians inhabiting the Northern part of India,
this is also false. The Indus-valley civilization
clearly shows that it is in fact an Aryan(ie.Vedic)
civilization. Swastika markings and fire-altars have
been excavated from the older layers.

Another point to keep in mind is that river names and
place names in Northern India and Pakistan show
Indo-European etymologies right from the very earliest
of times with no evidence of any pre-IE Dravidian
names. If Dravidian speakers inhabited those areas,
don’t you think that Dravidian names would still have
been existing or remembered at the very least??
Compare the situation with Iran or Europe where pre-IE
river and place names are still in existence right to
this day.

By the way, Northern Indians aren’t
“Aryanized mixed bloods” as evidence clearly shows that
there was no mass population replacement at any given
time in Northern India. The Aryan tribes from India
migrated into Iran and further into Europe. In other
words, the historical Aryan people were indigenous to
India and a section of them migrated Westwards in the
ancient period. Here is the proof:

Indo-Iranian homeland:

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/rig/ch6.htm

Indo-European homeland:

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/rig/ch7.htm

Historical Identity of the Vedic Aryans:

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/rig/ch5.htm

P.S. Do tell us if you are Persian?

in response to post 25:

There is no link between a North Indian Brahmin and a Parsi (Parsis despise Indians and still identify as Persians after one-thousand years in the subcontinent), while the DNA shared by say, a high-caste North Indian and a Berlin resident are indisputable.

There is NO PROOF that Aryans migrated from India to Europe, although that is feasible enough. However, Dravidian-Aryan wars have the most compiled recorded evidence of any conflict in ancient history, so they cannot be overlooked.

And Dravidian Sudras of Kerela/Tamil Nadu judge you as invaders.

All DNA studies indicate an RB1 relationship between high-caste Northerners and Germans, Swed

I am not Farsi, no. And the Parsis do not resemble
My Swedish father understands a great deal of Hindi because he speaks Swedish, another Sandskridt derivative. Just a coincidence I suppose.

I am a Canadian male born to a Swedish father and Malbari mother who works in Cochin, so I guess our Dravidian-Indo-Aryan bickering is about to blow up in front of these goras who were not yet aware of our north-south racial divide (actually a canyon).

The Dravidians argue a different story to you North Indian Brahmins and other forward casts dependent on an Indian unity to keep from being expelled to the russian/eastern-middle european steppes of your distant forefathers.

Response to post 25:

What an earth gives you the impression I would be Persian Post 25? My name is not TATA. I am the son of a Swedish father and Dravidian mother and I resemble a Punjabi or Kashmiri Pundit.

And the Dravidians LOATHE you Northies and regard you as the descendents of West Eurasian looters who eroded Harrapan society with purile religious rites and hard-nosed diplomacy.

You see, dear “goras” reading this discourse of the North-South divide, anonymous poster 25 is undoubtedly a forward-caste Northerner who fears the Dravidians will expell him-they are already doing so to some extent. So they tout Indian nationalism to distract the beleaguered Dravidians from thousands of years of oppression.

South Indians actually desire their own country, and if they possessed it, it would resemble a Singapore or a Japan.

What Deva will not disclose is that North Indians are actually a doomed and cornered group of mixed-bloods unwanted by everybody. It is actually tragic: The South of India wants nothing to do with them (They expelled all of their Brahmins ages ago as they perceived them of having “Aryan” blood).

And the Persians they attempt to align themselves with hold them in such contempt that Freddy Mercury denied being INDIAN to his AIDS-related death although he freely admitted his sexuality

Deva “dear” should we not tell these Goras the basic problem with our shaky confederation of states and their shaky interpretation of Hinduism since my mother is a Nair and you are probably a Brahmin Northie with the Patrilinear DNA of a European like my father (And I resemble you doubtlessly as I am tall, black-haired and green-eyed), which was that North India is a land of mixed Dravidian-Eurasian blood.

Politically it goes like this, folks:

There is a North-South divide that is vicious, exacerbated by the caste system. In Kerela and elsewhere, the Commies threw the Brahmins and Bunts out.

There was an influx of market-dominated minorities: the Parsis (Persian men who intermarried with Gujarati females while fleeing the spread of Islam), and the Syrian Christians, and the dim but tough Sythian/Saka/Hunnic tribes that comprise the Jatt castes of Punjab and constitute the bulk of the Sikh and Rajputs who were probably recruited as merceneries and have also wanted their own Khalistan homeland.

And then there was those pesky Mughals, Mongols, and Moguls who constitute the Muslim populations, and their low-caste converts…much like the Europeans converted low-caste Southies.

Today there are still Aryan-Dravidian conflicts in Sri Lanka and the Kasmir war (which employs Dravidians Southies as soldiers in the frozen hinterlands of the North).

Unlike the mindless and hardheaded other minorities, the Indians hit foreign shores with carefully formulated plans and intents to stay, drain the local economy, sent it back to India and leave…they possess a gypsy mentality coupled with homeland, which means they are not even loyal to other Indians but only their particular racial/religious caste grouping.

Brahmins are particularly callous and arrogant to all outsiders, although some possess a kinship with Germans. Mostly, they are as envvious of the success of other market-dominant minorities as anyone else, because their sense of karmic destiny makes them feel entitled to the top of the world’s socioeconomic caste-pyramid and they find the recent success of Southies in IT to be an affront to this entitlement.

Run out of India’s power structure, and finding themselves at a lower rung of the Western one, they harbor feelings of rage towards Kallus and Goras alike that I cannot actually express accurately enough.

Their hostility is very palpable.

Deva:

Clearly Aryan means noble and was probably applied to various Eurasian interlopers due to how “noble” they appeared to the Dravidians they encountered as a result of their height, musculature, sexual restraint, courage, physical prowess etc.

I am not dismissing the remote possibility that Aryans might have originated in the Kasmir-Hindu Kush region of India and then expanded Westwards to Russia, Scandinavia, et al as evidenced by the existence of Pathans, Saraswati Brahmins and so on.

But what I am pointing out is the vast difference between a Eurasian Saraswati Brahmin or Pathan with the mores and idioms of an Eastern European and the visage of a Charles Bronson (Hatchet profile, wall-of-hostility body language, sinewy barrel-chested builds) or Shobba De and the African/Australoids of Kerela with their tropical mores and culture…the women sway to drumbeats and they have the reaction to alcohol that Australian aboriginals have (In Kerela the Communist government has attempted make the purchase of alcohol impossible).

And then we have the Bengalis, who are clearly similar to Thais or Burmese.

Deva:

Why can North Indians not come to terms with your GORA HERITAGE. Nobody here is positing that the Aryans possessed any relationship with the Anglo-Saxons that your Brahmin forefathers struggled against (And the Dravidians sides with), but merely that a relationship between Vedic Indians and other Caucasoid groups exists.

May I suggest that you read some other research BESIDES BJP anti-AIT propaganda for a more balanced view of the pros and cons of the Aryan Invasion Theory rather than simply posting derisive comments to a Dravidian-Swedish mix who has the appearance of Dino Moreau and a balanced view of the subject.

My Rebuttal to Anonymous’s many posts above:

In answering Anonymous’s posts:

26 — Anonymous wrote at 11:19 AM on July 30:
27 — Anonymous wrote at 11:28 AM on July 30:
28 — Anonymous wrote at 11:31 AM on July 30:
29 — Anonymous wrote at 11:47 AM on July 30:
30 — Anonymous wrote at 12:05 PM on July 30:
31 — Anonymous wrote at 2:20 PM on July 30:
32 — Anonymous wrote at 4:37 PM on July 30:

Anonymous,

I am going to respond to all your posts within one post.
I want to ask you one question. Why did you become so
emotional when you tried to answer my earlier post?
Did you lose your mind in the process?

This may surprise you but I am actually a Southern
Indian myself from the Kerala state. I am not a Brahmin
but I come from the Nair caste also. My real name is
Suresh Panikker. Jaya Deva is a pen name that I use in
honor of a great Indian mathematician from Kerala.
Take a look at my surname and ask your mother about it.
You say your mother is of Nair caste. She should be
able to verify it.

In your above posts, you never answered the points that
I highlighted about the Aryans being indigenous to
India. It has not been proven that the Indus-Valley
Civilization was Dravidian speaking. This is because
the Indus-Script has NOT been deciphered. Many scholars
agree that the Harrappans were not Dravidian speakers.
So your conclusion at this time is somewhat premature.
In Southern Indian literature, particularly Tamil
literature, there is no memory of having come from the
North. Tamil literature in fact praises Vedic gods like
Indra. Take a look at the work “Cillapadikaram”.
In fact the South Indian kings across South India used
to call themselves “Arya”. The reason is because they
were patrons of Vedic learning.

As for your claims of an “Aryan-Dravidian warfare”
where is your proof for this?? In the Rig-Veda,
there are conflicts between the forces of light(ie.
good) versus the forces of darkness (ie.evil).
Comparative mythology has proven that this same basic
theme exists in all Indo-European mythologies, not
just the Vedic. You are confusing figurative
language with literal understanding.

As for the existence of a “Dravidian” race and Upper
caste Indians being related to Europeans, you are
wrong again. Here is the Genetic evidence that
disproves your claims. Here is the observation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#cite_note-28

“studies based on mtDNA variation have reported genetic unity of Indian populations[3]. Recent research based on molecular studies and archaelogical record have confirmed this and suggest an autochthonous differentiation of the genetic structure of the populations in South Asia[4].”

“the Y-chromosomal data consistently suggest a largely South Asian origin for Indian caste communities and therefore argue against any major influx, from regions north and west of India, of people associated either with the development of agriculture or the spread of the Indo-Aryan language family.”

“Recent studies of the distribution of alleles on the Y chromosome,[26] microsatellite DNA,[27] and mitochondrial DNA [28] in India have cast overwhelmingly strong doubt for a biological Dravidian “race” distinct from non-Dravidians in the Indian subcontinent. The only distinct ethnic groups present in South Asia, according to genetic analysis, are the Balochi, Brahui, Burusho, Hazara, Kalash, Pathan and Sindhi peoples, the vast majority of whom are found in todays Pakistan.[29]”

Enough said.

As a continuation to my above post, I forgot to
mention a few more points. The caste system has
nothing to do with a hiearchical system based on
race. Let me quote some passages from the Hindu
literature to prove it.

Mahabharata: Shanti Parva: 188/11-15

“The Division is not based upon any
physical differences between the
individuals. They have the same kind of
body and blood”.

“When Brahma created mankind, everyone was
made a Brahmin. Everyone was virtous.”

“With time and degeneration of the mind and
activities, people moved into other
castes”.

“A Brahmin who is princely, passionate,
courageous and intelligent but has a
sharp temperament that gives into emotions
like anger is a Kshatriya”.

” A Brahmin who protects the cow but earns
a livelihood from agriculture or business
is a Vaishya”.

“Those who love violence, falsehood, are
greedy and selfish and live by doing menial
jobs are called Shudras”.

You see, in this way, on the basis of
differences in abilities, activities and
temperament, Brahmins have been classified
into castes.

Mahabharata: Shantiparva: 188/10

“All castes have their birth in Brahma(God)
therefore it is wrong to make any
differentiation about any being higher
or lower”.

Manusmriti:

“All are born pure. They are
differentiated on the basis of their
sanskars, their abilities and activities”.

“One who follows the Vedas is a Brahmin.
One who knows Brahma(God) is also a
Brahmin”.

Rig-Veda: 5/60/5

“There is no difference amongst people
at birth. None is big or small”.

Anonymous, you have forgotten to mention that Brahmins
were the ones who founded the Communist movement in
Kerala. Ever heard of EMS Namboodiripad, the Kerala
Brahmin leader of the CPI(ie.Communist party of India)?

Did you know that in Tamil Nadu, a Tamil Brahmin,
J. Jayalalitha is a major leader of a political party
and she was once the Chief Minister??

I never said that Persians were the same race as
Indians. If you had read my post carefully, I said
Indo-European speaking Indian Aryan tribes invaded
Iran and “Indo-Europeanized” the natives of the Iranian
plateau. Being Indo-Europeanized is NOT the same thing
as being an actual Indo-European, racially speaking.
The proof for this is found in the Rig-Veda and the
Persian avesta.

Indo-Iranian homeland:

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/rig/ch6.htm

Indo-European homeland:

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/rig/ch7.htm

Historical Identity of the Vedic Aryans:

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/rig/ch5.htm

And lastly, you know what, Indians don’t give a hoot
for Persians. Persians had come like beggars seeking
refuge from Indians when they couldn’t even fight the
Arabs. lol. I have some Persian friends by the way.
They tell me that Indians are very racist towards
Persians, even more so than the Arabs are to them(ie.
Persians). I don’t know but maybe true.

Deva:

Since you seem to enjoy a civilized debate and I am sure all the gora trolls are amused by this discourse, explain to us why:

In Tamil Nadu and Kerela all of the Brahmins were run out by you Nairs with advent of Communism? There are literally NO Brahmins in Kerela and they are a TINY MINORITY in Tamil Nadu?

I am not denying that some Brahmin, possessed of typical Aryan-Eurasian out-of-the-box thinking and wisdom, started Communism in Kerela just as Marx was a member of a very successful minority under capitalism but was nevertheless the father of Communism.

And what is the obsession with Persians. They came like beggers, yes, but now Parsis are the richest people in India. Just like Syrians washed up in Kerela as beggers and now they run it.

Since Dravidians are generally academically better performers than the weaker-performing Syrians or Persians, why is the economy of India run by those two tiny minorities.

Why do Dravidians-who you cannot possibly suggest belong to the same racial group as a Pathan or Kasmiri Indo-European or Jatt Sikh-end up relying on overseas workers to float their economy.

The AIT theory has never been conclusively disproven, and to deny that whites-whether Greek or Hunnic or Central Asian or Scythian or some other now forgotten Soviet tribe never ventured into India was ludicrous.

One need only to spend an hour in Kashmir to note how culturally similar they are to say Germans or Swedes as oppose to Dravidians was nonsense.

India was a fascinating mixture of three sub-regions within a sub-continent: the North resembled Russia, the South Africa and the East was similar to the Orient.

And your tedious obsession with the Persians reflects a general Indian resentment at the success of Jains and Parsis (Long-settled Persian minorities in India) within India.

Like Indians themselves elsewhere, the Persians in India hold Dravidians and Indo-Aryans alike in deep contempt, do not integrated etc.

Multi-culturalism doesn’t seem to work in India either. BTW 35 Anon: On this site, Goras are not the trolls.

I am sure all the gora trolls are amused by this discourse.

In Tamil Nadu and Kerela all of the Brahmins were run out by you Nairs with advent of Communism? There are literally NO Brahmins in Kerela and they are a TINY MINORITY in Tamil Nadu?

And what is the obsession with Persians. They came like beggers, yes, but now Parsis are the richest people in India. Just like Syrians washed up in Kerela as beggers and now they run it.

Since Dravidians are generally academically better performers than the weaker-performing Syrians or Persians, why is the economy of India run by those two tiny minorities.

Why do Dravidians-who you cannot possibly suggest belong to the same racial group as a Pathan or Kasmiri Indo-European or Jatt Sikh-end up relying on overseas workers to float their economy.

35 — Anonymous wrote at 5:14 PM on July 31:

Anonymous,

Ohhh, I get it now. You were rejected by Whites when they
realized that you were a White-Wannabe Persian trying to
pass off as White. That is why you are now insulting
White people. You poor thing. But don’t you think that
White people have the right to decide who is their kin
and who is not, hmm?

You apparently know nothing about Brahmins. The priests
of the Kerala temples like Sabarimala, Guruvayur ect
are all Brahmins only and there are hundreds of such
temples with brahmin priests. They are called
“Thirumainis”. Brahmins are the ones with the ritual
knowledge, so how can the prayers be done without them??
You are pretty dense.

I have no fixation on Persians at all. I could care less
about them, like most Indians. And no, you are completely
wrong about Parsis and “Syrians” running the Indian
economy. In the Top 10 richest people in India, eight are
Indian and only two are Parsi. In the 40 richest people
in India, 38 are Indian and only 2 are Parsi! There are
no “Syrian” Christians even on the list! So much for
your claim. Don’t believe me? See for yourself:

http://www.forbes.com/2004/12/08/04indialand.html

Top 10 Richest people in India:

1. Lakshmi Mittal (Indian)
2. Azim Premji (Indian)
3. M & A Ambani (Indian)
4. Kumar M Birla (Indian)
5. Pallonji Mistry(Parsi)
6. Sunil Mittal (Indian)
7. Shiv Nadar (Indian)
8. Adi Godrej (Parsi)
9. Dilip Shanghvi (Indian)
10. M & S Mohan Singh (Indian)

Indians are academically stronger than Persians. Here is
the proof:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_American#Socioeconomic

“Indian Americans have the highest educational qualifications of all national origin groups in the United States.”

“According to the 2000 census, about 64% of Indian Americans have attained a Bachelor’s degree or more.[5](compared to 28% nationally, and 44% average for all Asian American groups). Almost 40% of all Indians have a master’s, doctorate or other professional degree, which is five times the national average.”

“In 2002, there were over 223,000 Asian Indian-owned firms in the U.S., employing more than 610,000 workers, and generating more than $88 billion in revenue.[17]

To answer your final question in your post, I quoted the
genetic study above. It seems you can’t read. The people
of Pakistan are largely genetically a different race/people
than Indians. According to the genetic study, Kashmiris
and Jatt Sikhs and Rajputs are very similar to other Indians
and are not similar to Pakistanis/Afghanis. Your claim
otherwise is ficitious and not based on FACTS. If you read
the study, genetically speaking there is no such thing as
a “Dravidian race”. There is something called Dravidian
language but not race.

You can dream on about overseas workers keeping the Indian
economy afloat! Funniest statement from you ever.

The AIT theory has never been conclusively disproven, and to deny that whites-whether Greek or Hunnic or Central Asian or Scythian or some other now forgotten Soviet tribe never ventured into India was ludicrous.

One need only to spend an hour in Kashmir to note how culturally similar they are to say Germans or Swedes as oppose to Dravidians was nonsense.

India was a fascinating mixture of three sub-regions within a sub-continent: the North resembled Russia, the South Africa and the East was similar to the Orient.

And your tedious obsession with the Persians reflects a general Indian resentment at the success of Jains and Parsis (Long-settled Persian minorities in India) within India.

Like Indians themselves elsewhere, the Persians in India hold Dravidians and Indo-Aryans alike in deep contempt, do not integrated etc.

36 — Anonymous wrote at 5:26 PM on July 31:

Anonymous,

You are starting to lose what little credibility you
started out with. Did you say that you were a Canadian
male living in Canada? Your English is pretty terrible
assuming you were born and brought up there. Frankly,
you need to improve on your grammar (O Grammatica O Mores?)
But frankly, I don’t believe that you are White as you
claim. You may be the Mutt that you claim to be or you
might just be a dumb emotional Middle-Easterner which you
in fact sound like, but who really cares?

As for the AIT theory, it was never conclusively proven
when it was formulated in the 19th century. In fact,
there is alot of evidence showing India to be the original
homeland of Indo-European people. If you want to know more
for the sake of it, read the links I posted above and see
if there are any errors. Maybe you might be able to point
it out if you are smart enough?

As for the Greeks, Huns, Scythians ect, they invaded the
areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan, not really India.
You are confusing Indians with Afghans and Pakis. The
genetic study I quoted above highlights the fact that the
peoples of Pakistan and Afghanistan are different racially
from the people of India.

Kashmiris are culturally similar to Swedes?? You must be
smoking something. Kashmiris were Hindus/Buddhists for
much of their history and they follow Islam now. You must
be joking. As for appearances, Kashmiris look like typical
Indians only. Here, take a look at some of the pictures
on this link:

http://indianmuslims.in/kashmir-protests-in-pictures/

They are pretty dark in appearance, don’t you think so??
As I point out again, no such thing as a “Dravidian race”,
only Dravidian language.

India was and is not a mixture of any races. Indians are
their own race, having been around for 60 000 years living
in their own country. This is proven by Genetics as I
quoted above. Iran is a mixture of races as the Persians
were conquered by Indo-Aryans, Greeks, Huns, Arabs, Turks
, Turkomans, Mongols, Indians, Afghans, Uzbeks, Russians
and British(ie.using Indian Troops). 12 nations conquered
Iran. There was a large African slave population in Iran
and subsequently mixing with them as well. Maybe that is
why Iranian IQ is 84? Could be the Black blood?

The reason I think you are Persian is because you always
have this tendency to stand up for them, which wouldn’t
be the case if you were not Persian ect.

To add a last word, the reason Parsis are not integrated
with Indians in India is because Indians don’t want to
integrate you with themselves. If we do so, you will
pollute our Indian blood with your dirty, cowardly,
inferior Persian blood which itself is mixed and impure.
Indians are smarter than you think.

Deva, it is an amusing debate but I have to honestly ask which Indian blood would be polluted from what that has not already been?

The Goans with their Latin-Med indolence? Or the Gujar with his Khazakh aptitude for business, which is not dissimilar to another group of mass-converted Khazars that made an impact in the markets? The Rarely have I heard such Brahminiacal ranting from a Nair, and no, I do not hold Farsis in terribly high regard-they are inclined to debauched corruption and arrogance to be sure, as well as lacking the manly self-assuredness of a Punjabi.

And besides, Dravidian women in general were not immune to the virility of foreign males-irregardless of whether they were Aryan, English, Greek or Syrian. All of whom contributed positively to the gene pool of the subcontinent.

All North Indians could be described as Pakis, if they are to be classified as broadly as you have done, which is to say a Scythian Punjabi was a Scythian Punjabi whether from India or Pakistan and a Khan was a, well, Central Asian interloper.

Deva:

I would have thought my mixed Swedish-Dravidian genese lent me an Aryan sense of removal, so I am not sure where you get the perception I am an Arab, a Persian, or even slightly emotional…not even as much say, as your average Scythian/Hunnic/Saka Pujabi Jatt Sikh or Rajput.

Nor am I a enamoured of those groups, because, after all, if they carried on their economies with any sort of sense-whether in Kuwait, Kasmir or Kabul, Dravidians and Goras would not be there running things for them…or attempting to.

And you had to ask yourself where Kerela would be without remissions, whether from Yemen or California.

Punjab might get by without Canadian contributions; the “Pakis” would somehow survive, habibi; and the Gujaratis will always find a way to scam somebody somehow.

But you uncouth Southies…prior to IT you were all cabin boys in Dubai yachts.

Not an insult, just a statement.

Deva, it is an amusing debate but I have to honestly ask which Indian blood would be polluted from what that has not already been?

The Goans with their Latin-Med indolence? Or the Gujar with his Khazakh aptitude for business, which is not dissimilar to another group of mass-converted Khazars that made an impact in the markets?

And besides, Dravidian women in general were not immune to the virility of foreign males-irregardless of whether they were Aryan, English, Greek or Syrian. All of whom contributed positively to the gene pool of the subcontinent.

All North Indians could be described as Pakis, if they are to be classified as broadly as you have done, which is to say a Scythian Punjabi was a Scythian Punjabi whether from India or Pakistan and a Khan was a, well, Central Asian interloper.

40 — Anonymous wrote at 3:58 PM on August 1:

Anonymous,

It seems to me that your reasoning ability is no better
than that of a door-knob. (No offence intended).
You haven’t been able to answer any of the points that
I raised but simply go on sounding like a broken record.

To answer the first part of your post, genetics has already
disproved your claims. Indians were always very large in
population throughout all historic periods. Plus, they
had a social set-up (ie. Caste System)which emphasized
endogamy. A very large population along with strict social
rules on who to marry, would essentially prevent any type
of mass mixing. So, Indians are for the most part, around
99% of the population, a pure race because of the two
above factors. Genetic studies also confirm the purity
of the Indian race. It seems you can’t digest that fact.

As for Goans’ indolence and the business ability of Gujjars
it has more to do with levels of education and priorities.
You make it sound as if indolence is something unique to
Goans only and can’t be found among anybody else or that
Gujjars are born businessmen. But many Gujjars in India
are simply farmers who are very poor. Last time they were
in the news, was when they were asking for affirmative
action from Indian government. So what is your point??

As for Dravidian women, there is no such thing as a
“Dravidian” race. This is also proven by genetics.
The word “Dravida” is a Sanskrit word that means
“Southern”. The word “Dravidian” was coined in the
19th-century to refer to the LANGUAGES spoken in Southern
India which are not Indo-European, unlike the languages
spoken in the North which are Indo-European. In other
words, the term “Dravidian” is used as a linguistic
classification. Itis the same with the term
“Indo-European” as well.

As I mentioned previously, Aryans were an indigenous
tribe of Northern India that composed the Rig-Veda.
They were also known as Purus. As per the Rig-Veda,
they were not foreign but Indian. The Greeks were
present in Afghanistan and Pakistan, not India.
There was no Greek empire in India, unlike in Iran,
Afghanistan and Pakistan. So, if any mixing took
place with Greeks, then it was in Iran, Afghanistan and
Pakistan only.

As for the “Syrian” Jews, they were only a hand-ful in
number as refugees. They are only 0.5% of the population
as of today. Nothing big.

As for the English, they were only a handful. The British
Empire in India relied on Indian administrators and Indian
troops mostly to secure their empire. There was no mass
mixing with them as you claim. In a nutshell, your claims
are wrong.

To answer the last part of your post, again genetic
studies clearly show that Punjabis are similar to other
Indians than they are to Pakis or Afghanis. So your
claim about them is also wrong.

Deva you have unintentionally SUPPORTED what I say: Syrian-Christians and the Anglo-Indians (children from the English soldiers stationed at Fort Cochin and local Nair girls) comprise a TINY minority in Kerela and own everything…you guys would still be working on their tea plantations if the IT revolution and globalization had elevated you, which was of course a testament to your rote learning power-undeniably black South Indians possess a strong left-brained intellect (And little right-brained capacity).

Castes emerged from SC Tribes…castes are tribes of different races within India.

You are supporting what I say, though at this point I suspect you are Gora troll pretending to be a South Indian Dravidian.

I think JeyaDeva wins this debate pretty conclusively
with solid arguments backed up with evidence.

We need more articulate people like this who can argue
the White Nationalist position in America, particularly
to the younger generations of our people who are
increasingly being brainwashed by the Race-Traitor
Left.

you guys would still be working on their tea plantations if the IT revolution and globalization had elevated you, which was of course a testament to your rote learning power-undeniably black South Indians possess a strong left-brained intellect (And little right-brained capacity).

Castes emerged from SC Tribes…castes are tribes of different races within India.

You are supporting what I say, though at this point I suspect you are Gora troll pretending to be a South Indian Dravidian.

43 — Anonymous wrote at 5:45 PM on August 2:

Anonymous,

How many times do I need to repeat the same things over
and over again? Do you not read what I write?
This is becoming hillarious. The readers here at Amren
can be the judge.

You don’t seem to get it do you? There is no such thing
as Dravidian race, only Dravidian languages.

Castes emerged due to the transition from a tribal
life-style to sedentary ways of living. The Caste system
is just a division of labor. This became necessary as
people started developing civilization/urbanization.
In a complex civilization, people are no longer doing the
same things as in a tribal society (ie Hunting/gathering).
The growth of agriculture meant that people could look
at alternative avenues for creative expression, which
in turn led to diversification of day to day activities.
This also necessitated some sort of an organized
channelization of labor for productive purposes.
That is what is Caste system in actuality.

Caste is not based on any racial principle but on
occupation. And no you are wrong, Castes are not tribes
of different races within India. Castes and Tribes are
the same people biologically speaking but not in terms
of occupation and lifestyle! Indian Tribals live a
tribal way of life, which reflects an older form of
Indian society, whereas Indian Castes are basically
Tribals who no longer live a tribal way of life but
have rather graduated to a more advanced,sedentary way of
life! That is all there is to it. These are not different
peoples but the same only. Only their lifestyle differs.

The only reason that Kerala has remained economically
backward is because of the stupid economic policies
of the Marxist governments that have ruled the state
for the last half a century. They won’t allow any
industry to be set up because of ideological reasons.
Otherwise, how do you think such a state like Kerala
which is 100% literate and highly educated on average
is economically one of the poorest states in India, hm?
It is because of the State government and its Marxist
policies which have prevented economic develpnment.

I want to ask you if you can speak Malayalam.
Here is a line in Malayalam:

“Ninake manasalayn pattile, enda jnaan parayane, nayinde
mone. ninde ammade po chotikye, ii vacakatinte artham”

” oru vakke jnaan parayam ninode, ninde tala, ninde ammade
samantile po kutthi kete, manaslayo”? Parama naari

Go ask your mum what I wrote above if you don’t understand
Malayalam.

What you have not explained Deva-nor did my mother-was in this Marxist backwater why a handful West Indians (Or Anglo-Indians) and Syrian-Christians are massively prosperous while the black Dravidians are committed to serving life sentences in the abroad in the worst sort of wage-slavery Marx could have conceived of.

And it is ludicrous to suggest that Sythian Jatts or Hunnic Rajputs (Both derived from peoples of the Siberian Steppe) bear any resemblence to Dravids, they are merelyy bound by colonial Britain’s arbitrary administrative decision to unify the subcontinent into one country.

What you have not explained Deva-nor did my mother-was in this Marxist backwater why a handful West Indians (Or Anglo-Indians) and Syrian-Christians are massively prosperous while the black Dravidians are committed to serving life sentences in the abroad in the worst sort of wage-slavery Marx could have conceived of.

And it is ludicrous to suggest that Sythian Jatts or Hunnic Rajputs (Both derived from peoples of the Siberian Steppe) bear any resemblence to Dravids, they are merelyy bound by colonial Britain’s arbitrary administrative decision to unify the subcontinent into one country.

46 — Anonymous wrote at 3:13 AM on August 4:

Anonymous,

The “Syrian” Christians and Anglo-Indians in Kerala
are supposedly prosperous because they get lots of
monetary aid from the Christian Churches which helps
them to start a business. But the question needs to
be asked, what type of businesses are they creating??
Most, if not all of those businesses are low value
addition, of no use in terms of moving up the value
added chain from an economic perspective.

This is proven by the fact that not even ONE Syrian
Christian or Anglo-Indian even exists in the top 10
or 40 richest people in India. If the busineses
they had were anything sophisticated or high-fi,
they should have been on the list. India has the largest
number of billionaires in Asia, collectively worth
190 Billion dollars. There is not even one Anglo-Indian
or Syrian Christian in the Billionaires group.

The reason Keralites go abroad for work is because they
don’t want to work in agriculture. They would prefer to
work in the Services like IT ect or even in Manufacturing
industries. But the economic policies of Kerala’s
government prevents the setting up of any value-added
industries like labor-intensive manufacturing or even
the Services sector. So the only option left is either
to work in agriculture or set up a pawn shop. But most
people don’t want to do that. That is why.

Again, as for the Jatts and Rajputs, they are NOT the
descendants of any Scythian/Siberian or whatever you
claim. The Jatts were present in India even before
Alexander made his appearance in Pakistan. They were
the ones that fought Alexander’s forces to a standstill.
The Rajputs are not descended from any Hun. Rajputs
are descended from the Ancient Indian Vedic dynasties
of the Vedic Period- The Suryavamsha and Chandravamsha
dynasties.

Also genetic studies have confirmed that Jatts and Rajputs
are the same as other Indians. They have no genetic
connection to any Iranic/Siberian people as you claim.

Here is the proof:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#cite_note-28

Race is based on Genes, nothing else. The genetic
study clearly states that Jatts and Rajputs are indigenous
to South Asia. Once again, Dravidian is not a race, only
a linguistic classification. Indians are basically, for
the most part the same people/race. Deal with it.

As for your claims on the unification of the sub-continent
by the British, that is simply false. The credit for
unifying Modern India goes to the great Indian statesman
Shri Sardar Vallabhai Patel. It was due to his vision
and astute political abilities that brought the country
together. He is called the “Iron-Man” of India.

The British press in 1947 equated him with Ten Bismarcks’.
What Bismarck did for Germany is exactly what Patel did
for India. The Brits had absolutely nothing to do with
Indian unification. During the colonial period from
1803 AD-1946 AD, they didn’t even merge the 500 Indian
principalities then or even when they were leaving.
It was Shri Patel alone who accomplished that task.
Indians always knew that they were from India and that
India was a holy land for them from the Vedic period
onwwards. The concept of Indian nationhood always existed
for millenias and finally came to fruition in 1947 in a
more modern form.

And it is ludicrous to suggest that Sythian Jatts or Hunnic Rajputs (Both derived from peoples of the Siberian Steppe) bear any resemblence to Dravids,

46 — Anonymous wrote at 3:13 AM on August 4:

Genetic studies clearly prove that Indian Jatts and
Rajputs are pure Indian, very similar to other Indians.
They are not Scythians or Hunns or whatever. Jatts have
been mentioned as a group in Panini’s grammar (ie. 400 BC)
long before the Hunns or Scythians show up in Pakistan.

They are mentioned in most ancient Indian Sanskrit works
like Mahabharatha ect.

Here are some pictures of Rajputs, Gujjars and Jatts.
You be the judge.

Rajputs:

http://www.fotosearch.com/ICN190/f0017997/

http://www.fotosearch.com/IST534/1636622/

http://www.fotosearch.com/IST523/1262903/

Gujjars:

http://worldsikhnews.com/4%20June%202008/Image/gujjarleaders.jpg

http://www.123himachal.com/himachal/118.jpg

http://www.ndtv.com/news/gujjar.jpg

Don’t you think they look typically Indian, Anonymous??

Indians across India are bound by a common race and
spiritual/cultural civilization which we fought for
millenias against many enemies. Hindu Rajputs, Hindu
Jatts and Hindu Gujjars were the vanguard of Indian
military might against the Arab crusaders of the past
for example. And later the Southern Indian kings like
Vijayanagar and Marathas also contributed their share in
the wars.

And lastly, I would like to say something to you.
It is not our fault that you may be rejected by Indians
and non-Indians alike due to the fact that you are a
Mutt. If you are suffering from an identity crisis
then identify yourself with Obama or with African-American
people. Many Afro-American women like/prefer to date
lighter skinned guys, so you may have alot of luck
with them.

Peace.

Deva:

I pass for Kashmiri so being a mutt has never been a crisis for me: the beauty of North Indians may be that through generations of interbreeding they have assumed the best of white Caucasoid and Dravidian genes without the flaws that each of those possesses.

Another words, the average North Indian mutt is not as cold and brutal as the Aryan prototype of the Eurasian steppes and the sun has softened that harshness of character that, say, an East German or Russian might carry, with all of its patriarchal coarseness.

But nor are we drunken, lying, sex-crazed (No doubt that the Aryans merely traded their Soma and free women to Dravidian leaders to hasten assimilation and were wildly successful at this. You can go to the Gulf and see Dravidian men paying top-dollar for desperate Russian females; genreally dravidian women will copulate with white men for free merely because their higher levels of testosterone and raw animal magnetism) semi-autistic Dravids, who undeniably carry the Vedoid capacity for alcohol intolerance and deceptiveness culturally.

As for my father being Caucasoid, well, as you stated, there is some amount of similarity between the Aryans of North India and the Eurasian inhabitants of Europe-whether Out-of-India or AIT is the actual truth of the matter.

So I am essentially a North Indian, we are all mutts.