America’s Money-Grubbing, Racial Extortionists

Tell me how an apology for slavery and Jim Crow makes blacks any better off. The answer, of course, is that it doesn’t.

Not the average black, but an apology will inevitably lead to reparations, and reparations will be a monetary equivalent of a rolling bordello for the black civil rights elite, aforementioned NAACP President Ben Jealous included.

Several years ago, I saw some sort of reparations confab on CSPAN, headed by black talk radio host Bob Law. One of the panelists said, and the rest of them and Law agreed, that reparations should not be given to all blacks, on a prorated, per capita basis. Their reasoning was that the average black person would be so traumatized upon just seeing the reparations checks, and have PTSD-style flashbacks in earnest, that they would inevitably go out and blow the checks on shoes and wasteful bling. Instead, so saith them, the reparations money should be used for “black nation building.”

In other words, they know who splurgey blacks are, and want the money to become their personal cornucopia and sinecure pot. Ben Jealous and people like Law and Cornell West came to do good, and would wind up doing very well indeed.

Paying reperations would be akin to paying blackmail. No payment would ever be enough and as soon as the money is spent, they would just come back for more.
For about the last forty years, the white race has given in to ever demand of the black race. They are now like a spoiled rotten child who’s parents give them everything in the futile hope of trying to keep them happy. But like the parents of that child, we will eventually have to give in just to maintain peace.
The white guilt disease will eventually run it’s course. The true question is: How long will it take?

Yet again I would like to ask the opinion of amreners—-whether black fellows like Connerly, Sowell, or Walter Williams, have any place in an America in which racialist ideas become public policy? It’s just an honest question. Are we talking deportation, or just freedom of association taken to the point of businesses being allowed to serve only those that they desire to serve? Same question goes for other non-white races.

Hypothesizing, of course… just how soon AFTER the reparations payment is made, will the Blacks come back whining it “wuzn’t enough”? Anyone care to venture a guess?

Refreshingly this man is not the first nor only black man I have heard this sort of opinion from. True, every word and he is indeed probably hated and reviled by the black race hustlers. Please proceed Mr. Massie.

AS the courts have ruled out “reparations” even from businesses whose earlier days benefited from slavery it seems that the race hustlers figure their only chance is to intimidate the congress into making it happen, whether anyone thinks it makes sense or not. Race hustlers are just trying to increase their status and money donations.

Reparations make no sense since the black descendants of slaves are beneficiaries of slavery and lucky to be here - notice that no blacks are pining away for life in sunny West Africa. In fact even the transported slaves themselves were relatively lucky in that the tribal war victors would have killed them (or the men at least) if they had no one to sell them to.

America has more than paid for this awful institution as the article points out. Can you imagine any African tribe ever having a civil war to end some moral anguish of having slaves? HA! Only white people would do that and the blacks are just shameless enough to demand money from whites whose ancestors paid so much to end slavery.

I wrote to both of my Senators and my Representative in the “House”, and told them if they apologize for slavery then they owe me an apology for Affirmative Action.

Also, if they raise my taxes so that the government can pay slavery reparations, then they need to pay me Affirmative Action Reparations!

Excellent article. This writer sounds like another Jesse Lee Peterson, and he will no doubt be vilified for it. In fact, the character assassination has no doubt already started.

Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said, “I feel that some method other than just an apology should be made—people should be whole.”

“Making whole” is an Anglo-Saxon concept, but never mind. In this case, the only loss suffered by today’s “African-Americans” is that of their natural abode in Africa. So, yes, let us indeed make them whole, starting with Rep. Thompson on the first plane back.

There is no desire for healing or justice on the part of the CBC, NAACP or any of the rest of them. This is just an “appeasement” racket. I’m glad to see guys like Massie. It gives me hope that not everyone is a huckster.

Reparations to blacks are a joke. Once they are given a large sum of money for slavery, the majority will exhibit a phenomenon known as “ghetto rich.” They will buy houses they can’t afford, cars and SUVs that are expensive to maintain, silly FUBU fashions, and loud expensive bling. When they blow through their money like a drunken sailor, they will complain that they were not compensated enough. The cycle will start all over again, and again, and again,

Hypothesizing, of course… just how soon AFTER the reparations payment is made, will the Blacks come back whining it “wuzn’t enough”? Anyone care to venture a guess?

((theme of jeopardy playing))) I’ll say “Immediately” Alex. I’m amazed the Brit blacks get away with using the old ‘legacy of slavery’ to account for their whining and demands in Britain!!

Someone needs to point out that if you are dependent on the government for anything (WIC, food stamps, welfare, Section 8, etc.), you ARE a slave!

What ‘shakedown’? Pro and Con arguments over reparations are just a weak ploy keeping ‘slavery’ in the news. AmRen even seems to fall for it.

3 Ludwig, regarding the place of Blacks In the North American White Republic, we will take a page from the old USSR, the lodestar for our Red antagonists. The law against “Anti-Soviet activity” can be a model for our own legislation. Any person, of any race, found guilty of Anti-White Activity, will be sentenced to deportation or a life of servitude, whichever best serves the interests of the White Race. While tens of millions of Whites will run afoul of this law, it will have a very disparate impact on Blacks. Given what we have endured already, bearing the burden of having Mychal Massie and his kind around will be a relative pleasure.

“race-based affirmative action programs, Act 101, race-based contracts….and the list goes on and on.”

Why is it that we do not know how much has been paid out to the Af Am community in benefits over the past 50 years?

The taxpayer deserves a strict accounting.

Blacks know that their benefits are esentially paid by white taxpayers.

I’ve never heard any blacks express gratitude or even acknowledging the fact.

Concurring with “Say It”… while slavery was not desirable for slaves, neither was it as bad as Hollywood hype tried to make it. Like prize cattle and fine horses, trained slaves were valuable property representing a considerable financial investment for owners. So what RATIONAL slave owner would be stupid enough to brutalize his slaves? As long as the slave obeyed orders, did a reasonably good job and was not a “trouble-maker”, he or she could expect decent treatment, even the occasional reward or treat from the master and mistress. Slaves often were freed after the master’s death as provided in his will.

Self pity is a digusting refuge that this {Man} will have no part in, too bad he’s such a minority amongst blacks. As well too bad there still remain lefty masochitic whites that don’t see the obvious truth to this mans simple articulate logic.

When anyone apologizes it is an admission of guilt.When you admit that you are guilty then comes the punishment.Without admission of guilt legally there would be no recourse.This is one step toward getting what blacks want.Little by little step by step they are building their case for future justification and compensation.Our politicians think through this appeasement they will go away.They are not going to go away until they have total victory.Guess what that is?When I was a child a black woman told me ” When we take over your going to be my slave”.I was 9 years old and she was an adult.WAKE UP WHITE PEOPLE!

If every Black [and Hispanic] could think, act, and write as well as Mr. Massie there would be no American Renaissance.

“And that is exactly what has these elapidal, greedy, money-grubbing, racial extortionists so exercised”

“Elapidal”?

MoMo

It’s too bad it takes blacks to say comments like this instead of the average white person.

“Instead, so saith them, the reparations money should be used for ‘black nation building.’”

Not a bad idea. Deportation was and is a pie in the sky idea. There are already places in the Old South that are predominantly black, and black culture permeates all of the Old South from the Blues to red beans and rice to ecstatic African styles of Christian worship. The black cultural home is already established. That is a hot, muggy, swampy climate that is the closest thing to Africa that we have here in America.

Whites are from a different environment: green, rainy, cloudy, with mountains and valleys and farmlands and open wilderness too. We already have that, and those places are already the whitest parts of America.

Turn off all those expensive air conditioners in the Old South and Southwest, and whites will not be doing too well. Get rid of all that Vitamin D milk and blacks will not be doing too well in northern latitudes. Heat exhaustion and severe sunburn is not any more fun than Rickets. Maybe that is nature saying something.

As I’ve mentioned before on this site, the institution of slavery in early America has afforded American blacks a privileged status among all black Africans, the highest standard of living, unparalleled freedom, unmatched prosperity, and even the choice of eating themselves into the grossest state of obesity of any black Africans in the world.

The contrast between the lives of black Americans and their hapless relatives in Africa reminds me of an old joke: How can you spot a Somali car dealer?

He’s the one with the gold Rolex around his waist.

If anything as stupid as this reparations nonsence were to happen, would the blacks born next year (10,20,30, 200 years) also get free stuff? If so I can just see a giant leap in black birth rate (if that is even possible), so those too could get free money that they have had nothing to do with.

The US Blacks’ concern for reparations smacks of tribalism. Aside from applying today’s morals to those of 150 years ago, there is no legal or ethical standing for me to be held accountable for acts of another that were done in the distant past. This is especially egregious as many whites’ ancestors were not in the US at the time slavery was legal. The reparations argument is based on the black US tribe wanting retribution from the white US tribe for a perceived wrong delivered by perceived tribal ancestors long gone. This is itself racist as well as a primitive social construct. In this country we have ample legal and social presidence counter to tribal theories of righting wrongs of that sort. A crime or debt committed by an individual is not the responsibility of family members, let alone broader tribal affiliations inclusive of racial groupings. Further, enslavement of all races by all races has been a common characteristic throughout history. And in the English speaking world it was whites that abolished the practice and freed the slaves. Please send reparations to the whites who championed and fought for that freedom.

Schoolteacher, thank you for answering my question. I wish others would also make the same attempt, because these things need to be thought through.

Now, as to your answer—surely you can’t be serious about deporting probably tens of millions of people, including white people, guilty of ‘anti-white activity’ (as if Congress would ever pass such a piece of legislation. Have you ever heard of the 14th amendment?) Following your Soviet example, are you also in favor of creating an American Cheka? Your idea works for illegal aliens only—and so far, we haven’t even been able to do that much. What country will take all your deportees?

Not only is your idea impractible, it is not agreeable to the concept of American liberty—a concept which we ought to hold dear.

Keep thinking. It is long past time for action, and we don’t even have any good ideas yet.

“Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., head of the Congressional Black Caucus said, “I would not want to have any language in place that would deny anyone, any citizen, the right to address a grievance.” For those not familiar with legalese—“right to address a grievance” is a benign way of saying, “right to sue for megabucks based on a real or perceived wrong.”

Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said, “I feel that some method other than just an apology should be made—people should be whole.” Once again, for those not familiar with the language, “should be made whole,” simplistically put, means “should get a ton of money to repair a complaint.”

Do these people not read the newspapers? America is bankrupt; the only thing missing is a formal admission of that fact. If they want a pile of worthless paper, they should be careful what they wish for.

Once they are given a large sum of money, the majority will exhibit a phenomenon known as “ghetto rich.”
When they blow through their money like a drunken sailor, they will complain that they were not compensated enough. The cycle will start all over again, and again, and again….
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It will start all over again, and will go on and on — as long as whites (meaning our politicians) are dumb enough, or spineless enough, to continue to pay them.

There is only one way of stopping blackmail (and that’s what it is): the word “No!”

ludwig, Schoolteacher —

Anyway who thinks there is going to be a “North American White Republic,” is delusional. There will be a North American White Republic right after Hugh Hefner leaves me the Playboy mansion in his will.

For those living in the real world, the questions are simpler:
1. Will white demographics stabalize at 40%, or 65% of US population?
2. Will the parts of the country where whites make up 90% of the population or more, be economically viable places to raise children?
3. Will white guilt abate?
4. Will affirmative action end?
5. Will Mr. Massie’s views receive more support from both whites and non-whites?

Thomas Sowell’s, Conquest and Cultures is a very in depth book of the often long term positive effects on a culture, when it is conquered by one more advanced.

Ludwig wrote: “Your idea works for illegal aliens only—and so far, we haven’t even been able to do that much. What country will take all your deportees?”
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What country? Easy! A country that’s dependent on hand-outs. A country that’s in no military or diplomatic position to refuse them. That’s what!

That means most of Africa.

Thomas Sowell did not speak of a good effect on the culture of the conqueror but of the conquered.

He points out that the British Isles too was once quite primitive. Those peoples also greatly benefited in the long run by invasion and occupation from the then advanced Roman culture.

The worrying part of this is precisely that the conqueror culture in that case, as maybe in ours too, was later dissipated into oblivion.

Ludwig,

“White Cornerback” basically stole my thunder on what I was going to say in response - but just to re-emphasize, Blacks(all 40 million of them) aren’t going anywhere. There is no point in pretending otherwise.
America, on a national level, is essentially a lost cause. The only hope we have is to create as many majority(if not exclusively) White enclaves as possible and continue to fight a government and system antagonistic to our people. The individuals you mention, Sowell etc., are useful in that latter fighting process, so in my mind, that is really the only role they play in White racialist circles. It’s a matter of pragmatism, not ideology if you will.

Another aspect of (black) slavery that is completely overlooked is the many skilled slaves who ran side businesses. Those who were skilled in such trades as builders, cabinetmakers, carpenters, farriers and other occupations quite often got rich and were able to buy their freedom.
“The slave chronicles” which interviewed ex-slaves (about 1910) shows a much DIFFERENT aspect of slavery that is almost never mentioned. Many of the ex-slaves interviewed expressed a certain “fondness” for their situation. They liked not having to worry about such things as personal belongings or a place to live; these things were taken care of by the “master”. This in itself does not justify slavery; it merely points out that one has to look at the context of the TIMES when slavery was “legal”. After the demise of slavery, many blacks signed on as “sharecroppers”; their situations quite often were much worse.
Blacks that were brought here had it much better.
Author Ben Richburg (who is black) went to africa to seek his “roots”. His “relatives” wanted to involve him in their tribal wars. After a short time, he couldn’t wait to get back to the USA. He later wrote in one of his books that he was glad that his ancestors had been brought to this country; slavery notwithstanding.
Another misperception about slavery is the number of black slaveholders that were in the USA. An article in “American Heritage” magazine called “Selling Poor Steven” outlines the extent of the slave trade and ownership among blacks. Black slaveholders were much more common that is generlly believed. It is also stated that black slaveowners were quite often much more cruel to their charges than white slaveowners.
Alex haley’s “roots” series did much to perpetuate falsehoods about the “peculiar institution” of slavery.
American blacks seeking to find their “roots” by going to africa are shocked when they are informed that THEIR OWN PEOPLE sold their ancestors into bondage.

White cornerback and HH, I appreciate your pragmatism and I am in general agreement with you. But I asked the question in the first place, in part, because of the views of some amreners like ‘Anonymous’ above, who says that we can deport 40 million blacks to Africa by force. I can only add to your pragmatic response that not only is such an idea for dreamers, it would be unjust, because it is disingenuous to take advantage of the goodwill of blacks like Sowell, Jesse Lee Peterson, and so on, to further an agenda that results in them being asked to leave the country that they are trying to defend—unlike so many blacks. Should blacks that have served in the US armed forces also be forced to leave the country? I say that is unjust.

Now, failing deportation, we are going to have to learn to get along with a lot of people that we don’t like too much, so the question is how best to do that. It seems to me that the only reasonable policies that have been suggested to that end have already been stated by Jared Taylor—the end of immigration and the repeal of the 1964 civil rights act, which implies the end of affirmative action. I think we ought to put our full energy into achieving those goals, and forget about deportation or legally enforced resegregation or anything that is just never going to happen without a racial war.

I am not in favor of a racial war, but it seems that some commentators around here are. I don’t think such people are reasonable or sane, frankly. We fought a Civil War in part at least to free the slaves, and are we now going to fight a war against the descendents of those we freed? How many people in America want such a thing? Even more pointedly, who in the world should want such a thing?

15 Schoolteacher and 3 Ludwig: I would agree and disagree. Clearly we need to work out laws that benefit whites, with the stipulation that they are not aimed at harming other groups; all other groups like blacks and Jews need to do the same. I don’t think anti-white activity (or its lack) need be the only or basic criterion defining group membership. Rather, there should be the positive factors of ethnocultural similarity (unless they are ethnically blended whites) and common economic issues. Ethnic or racial background is a vital bonding component of a healthy society, but so are the economic issues that face people. It does limited good to have a common ethnic background if people are being stiffed economically (eg current trade policies, established by whites, not minorities) by others or even by people of their own cultural background. Further, is a society really a society if people are neglected in spite of their capacity to work? If anything, the ongoing attacks on whites by minorites and the Left should have shown us that as whites we need to stick together, and this requires laying out new policies and laws that enable this, based in a spirit of solidarity if not mutual benefit (which is not the same thing as wage equality). No non-whites should own or be in charge of any white economic or cultural institutions, for example, unless they have proven themselves to have whites’ best interests at heart. This however might be difficult to prove, considering how devious some people can be, and in any case should have no place as an independent white society struggles to get on its feet. Further, some whites will not have whites’ best interests at heart either, and may be selfish and only promote their own interests, so IMO should not find a place in our society if we find they have motives inimical to ours. Schoolteacher has already suggested the latter point, and maybe imprisonment or fines would be a good first step before deportation depending on the anti-white crime committed.

In line with the above, then, my line on moral blacks like Mr. Massie is that, though they would be respected if not welcomed socially, their best place is as leaders of a socioecomically independent black society. He probably already understands his people and has bonds with them, and otherwise the weaker and worst elements of black society might come to the fore.

35 Ludwig: You write of pragmatism, of being reasonable, and of justice. To me, pragmatism, reason, and justice are no longer the rules of the game, they are irrelevant and anachronistic. This is not 1969, when people might have reasonably thought that outlawing racial discrimination and giving Blacks a little edge in hiring would allow them to achieve equality. We can no longer pretend that letting a few non-White immigrants in won’t disturb anything, it will just add a little color to our lily-White communities and let these poor people escape their wretched homelands. The rules have changed, and it wasn’t us that changed them. Our Rulers have disregarded the principles of American liberty when it comes to us, so there’s no reason that we ought hold those principles dear when it comes to them either.

We Whites are being displaced, and there is no end in sight. President Clinton openly applauded the prospect of Whites becoming a minority, and went unchallenged by the GOP, clearly indicating their acceptance of the idea. So where is there any place for compromise? We can’t even openly discuss these issues without putting our jobs at risk. Where is the reverence for free speech in this country? They have left the shell of the First Amendment and gutted the meaning, so why should I respect the rights of the censors? You doubt that Congress would pass legislation banning Anti-White activity. You’re absolutely right, they would be the first ones jailed under such laws. They have, regardless of party, resolutely refused to even make an effort to control illegal immigration. How can anyone think that there is any political solution possible, let alone one in accord with traditional Anglo-Saxon law, is beyond me. My suggestion for laws modeled on Soviet laws was somewhat facetious, but ironically just, for the new class of diversity commissars that has developed in this country. Such laws could only be passed when there was no more need for them.

In post #35, you write of ending immigration and affirmative action, as if those things were possible, just like we were taught in civics class. You say that you’re not in favor of racial war, yet you advocate the two measures that would guarantee it. Black and Hispanics think that affirmative action is an inalienable right. Hispanics and other foreigners think that unlimited immigration is an inalienable right. Why shouldn’t they, since in practice the government has made them so. Oppose those privileges and the non-Whites will count you as an enemy, not someone they disagree with, but someone to hate passionately. They will accept no compromise.

Americans are so used to domestic peace that they can’t imagine the sort of conflict that fills the history books. But we have imported tens of millions from places where strife and squalor are the norm, and they see us as easy pickings. This will not be resolved in courtrooms and legislatures.

Ludwig says: failing deportation, we are going to have to learn to get along … so the question is how best to do that.
It seems to me that the only reasonable policies [are] ….. the end of immigration and the repeal of the 1964 civil rights act, which implies the end of affirmative action. I think we ought to put our full energy into achieving those goals, and forget about deportation or legally enforced resegregation, or anything that is just never going to happen without a racial war. I am not in favor of a racial war, but it seems that some commentators around here are.
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You say you are in favor of revoking the 1964 civil rights act and affirmative action; but you say you are not in favor of a racial war.

Do you realize that if you revoke the 1964 civil rights act, you are going to have a racial war? That would be the inevitable outcome of your action. Deportation would be the next logical step.

I’m wondering whether or not the case could be made for white people such as myself to sign onto a class action lawsuit suing black people for reparations. When you think about all the harm that black culture has had on white society, I’m pretty sure a good case could be made for those seeking reparations from blacks. If they are unable to pay …

Anonymous and Scholteacher, I don’t think that revoking the 1964 Civil rights act would cause racial war. Such a thing would have to be done democratically, which would be very difficult right now, admittedly. But let’s begin where we can—with attacking affirmative action and attempts to suspend immigration. In those areas we have experienced some success.

Those in favor of affirmative action are on the defensive thanks to recent Supreme Court rulings (Ricci being one of them—granted it is small, yet there have been several small rulings against affirmative action. These add up over time) and ballot measures. You can thank the mulatto Ward Connerly for the latter. I want him in my country, by the way.

Immigration opposition has been less successful, but we have at least fought off amnesty so far, and we are in good position to continue to oppose it successfully if we stay active.

Repeal of the Civil Rights Act would be the coup de grace but eventually it can be done. We’ll capture that flag when we get to that hill. In the meantime let’s not propose impossibilities or wring our hands in hopelessness at the prospect of racial war, but instead get going. The two things most wanted are courage and action. Do white people have it, or not?

40 Ludwig: Affirmative action, by which I mean deliberate, widespread discrimination against Whites, has been national policy for at least 35 years. Some liberals like to pretend that actual racial discrimination against whites is an aberration, an occasional well-intentioned slip up, or the fault of a few overly zealous bureaucrats. That is utterly false. Were it so, liberals would be shocked, shocked I tell you, to hear of such things and would put a stop to it immediately. They would not allow so gross a misreading of the law to stand. But in fact, every decade or so a case comes before the Supreme Court, having been dragged out for years, and some weak ruling is made that allows the practice to go on. Racial bias against Whites is institutionalized in this country and has been for years. The prospect that Congress would, in an increasingly non-White country, repeal the law behind affirmative action is very, very, very, slight. Like nil.

And if affirmative action were really outlawed, why would anyone not expect Blacks to explode, since they really do see it as an inalienable right, like so many of us see the right to bear arms? Blacks riot over sports championships, but not over losing a sacred racial privilege? (BTW, I wonder what will happen outside the Michael Jackson funeral? I’d stay away myself.)

As for the likelihood of ending immigration, what political miracle would bring that about? True, the political class has flinched from an outright amnesty, and have held some alien roundups for show, but again, what is the long term pattern that has been established? De facto legalization, the recognition of anchor babies as citizens, public housing, free medical care, and the destruction of entire school districts. They don’t need amnesty to get what they want, the status quo is already going their way.

You speak of “racial war”, but it’s not clear what you mean. Hordes of non-Whites forming ranks and marching against the suburbs? No, I don’t think that’s at all likely, even if we repealed the 13 Amendment. What I see is an expansion of the war we’re already in. You may see it as “crime”, but there are military theorists who call it “4th generation warfare.” I’m not well read in this, but apparently some see a future where crime, organized banditry, and politically directed guerrilla war blend. We see this happening with narco-terrorists, with politicians sitting down to powwow with thugs to establish “gang truces”, or when Vice President Joe Biden invites Al Sharpton to his office for a talk. We read of rape being a weapon of war in Africa, but when 30,000 White women are raped by Blacks every year in the U.S., we call it “crime” instead of “war”. And what do you call the spreading demographic and political dominance of Hispanics in the American Southwest, backed by a foreign government, but low intensity warfare?

This is the racial war that will intensify greatly if affirmative action or immigration are ended. It will intensify anyway, but any active resistance by Whites will accelerate it. I see no political solution.

Schoolteacher, you seem resigned to inevitable fate. According to you, if whites do anything, there will be racial war (I’m not sure if you think that is bad or good), but since they can do nothing, just accept defeat because we are going to be swamped anyway.

Meanwhile a black man writes an article today admitting group differences and stating that there are problems with how the 1964 Civil Rights Act has been interpreted:

http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/tsowell/2009/ts_07071.shtml

There are good blacks like this one, rare though they be, in every American generation and they ought to be welcome here. They are also our allies in trying to create an American Renaissance. Talk of inevitable racial war does not help keep that alliance.

The political solution you fail to see is in active and public presentation and convincing of the American people that their egalitarian racial beliefs are not supported by any objective facts, and that racial differences have to be honestly grappled with in creating social policy and in making law. Offering racial war as a solution is not something the American people are going to go for.

We have a mostly free society still, so let us do the public work of convincing people about the facts, without scaring them from thinking that facing the facts means that we have to begin to build concentration camps. Unfortunately, it seems to me that some people here really do think we need to build concentration camps. Count me out of that plan.

42 Ludwig: “…resigned to inevitable fate.” “…accept defeat because we’re going to be swamped anyway.” Me? Recognizing one’s dire circumstances is realism, not resignation. Resignation is choosing not to do anything about those dire circumstances.

I do not hold that if Whites try to stop affirmative action and immigration, racial war will result, I hold that the present low intensity racial war will heat up. The sense of grievance and envy toward Whites will be magnified and more violence will result. The authorities will describe it as crime, though if the same events occurred between Hutus and Tutsis, we would hear it described as tribal warfare and ethnic cleansing.

I do not think that one, or fifty, Black men speaking out against the 1964 Civil Rights Act matters a whole lot, though I certainly have no objection to it. I just think that they are so outnumbered by anti-Whites, so marginalized, that their effect on public policy may be compared to a fart in a hurricane. I have been following public issues for several decades, with increasing understanding. I simply see no prospect that the political class that has been deliberately betraying Whites for dozens of years will somehow see the error of its ways and reverse its course. The fact that one Mychal Massie has written in opposition to anti-White policies is hardly enough to convince me that sanity will soon prevail. The fact that such sanity is so rare as to be worth noticing tells me a lot more about the direction we’re moving.

The American people will not be convinced by public presentations that non-Whites are a problem that needs to be dealt with. For every Mychal Massie or Thomas Sowell there are hundreds of Black and Hispanic agitators and hundreds of White leftist professors and hundreds of journalists to shout them down. The American people will be convinced by events, not words. This site is thick with posters who learned at some age through experience that what they’d been told about Blacks was false, deliberately and dangerously so. Nobody came to White Nationalism through the work of Rushton or Shockley. Those scholars simply provided explanations for phenomena we’d already witnessed.

And that is the value in talking about these things, privately or in public forums. Until someone is convinced by experience that the stock explanation for racial differences is wrong, they will dismiss us no matter how reasonably we present ourselves. What we have to say is so contrary to everything they hear, they’ll simply call us racists and think they’ve settled it. But when they come around with questions, we’ve got answers.

As for open race war and concentration camps, I have no specific prediction I’d bet my savings on, but things will work themselves out. Race war and concentration camps are not without precedent. We AmReners are the least of players in this show. The Obama regime, the GOP, the military, and the police and intelligence agencies (American and foreign) are all watching events. Obama’s Youth Corps, “…as well equipped as the military”, has surely got the generals scratching their heads. Blackshirts? All kinds of once unthinkable things may happen and we will be carried along, even if we wish to be counted out.

Schoolteacher, you say that whites will be convinced not by words, but by events. But by the time that a majority of whites are convinced by events, whites will no longer be a majority in this country. Therefore we also need words, though your points about events, and trends, are well taken.

As for resignation, however—which you define as a choice to not do anything about circumstances—how can you deny that you are resigned, when your only recommendation is to wait around for whites to discover on their own that everything they have been taught about race is wrong, and hope that they discover AmRen one day while surfing the net? Perhaps ‘resignation’ may be too strong a word to describe your attitude, but I think the word ‘passive’ fits well. We CAN be more public and prominent. We CAN get out there, and our views on race and policy will have to be heard, and rationally weighed. Of course we will be smeared, but the truth has its own power.

44 Ludwig: Whites will be a minority in this country, without a doubt. I believe that Whites are already a minority among children under five, so unless you can convince ten million smart young White couples to drop out of their pointless careers and start having four or five kids apiece, we’ve lost the demographic race. Therefore, we will need to learn to prevail by other means.

For a start, modern democracy will have to go. It won’t be sustained anyway by these Third World people, so we may as well toss it before they use majority rule to destroy us completely. Perhaps we could keep up some of the appearances by limiting the vote to property owning Whites at least 35 years of age, but some sort of authoritarian or aristocratic government is most likely in the works no matter who wins the struggle. This is not so shocking an idea, many political theorists, including the Founders, have noted the frailty of rule by the people. My favorite criticism was, “Democracy will last until the People discover that they can vote themselves money.” Of course, non-Whites will not peacefully accept their political disarmament just as they were about to vote us to death, so we won’t manage this without conflict. Some might say that I “want” race war, but perhaps you could just say that I accept racial conflict as an inevitability we ought be prepared for.

As for putting our views on race and immigration before the public, we have not been successful persuaders. Most Whites, if asked, would claim to find our views (mine anyway) morally repugnant. I also think that many of those same Whites, liberals included, fundamentally agree with us, as shown by their choice of neighborhood and school. The difference between claimed views and actual views comes from the perceived power of the Left to punish racial heretics. As long as people fear for their jobs, they won’t openly speak the truth. So they must speak the truth secretly, and we should work to encourage that.

It’s a good thing that Jared Taylor speaks publicly about racial matters and still keeps a roof over his head, but many of us can’t do that. We do what we can, and for most of us that means noticing like-minded people and increasing their awareness. You can call that passive but it’s not without risk if we misjudge our acquaintances. I have been threatened by supervisors who heard my views second hand, and shunned a couple times when I reached out to people who were not ready to hear. Collectively, politically, we are outcasts, and will remain so until events begin to force choices on Whites. Then they will be ready to hear. Then they will choose their own race, in a hundred little daily decisions. Then they will talk to their neighbors and cousins, discovering that they don’t like losing their country either. Tolerance will wilt and animosity will blossom. The country will unravel, and communities will reorganize or collapse.

What events will force these choices? Economic failure. We as a nation have given up working and lived off our savings until our savings were gone, and now live off credit. What is the big plan to save the economy? To stimulate consumer spending. That’s right, the government wants to pass out money to spend on imported goods. Prop up the banks so they can loan money to buy more stuff. And of course, establish a new right to free medical care and legalize 30 million foreigners. Failure is coming and along with it, hard choices. Whites will soon be ready to hear.

Schoolteacher—3 points:

1)In the Constitution, it states that there will be no titles of nobility. That rules out aristocracy in name. If you mean that there will be aristocracy of some other kind, please elaborate, because your vagueness on the point makes me unable to respond.

2)Regarding the perception that our racial views are morally repugnant: perhaps in some cases, they ARE morally repugnant. I think that when you hate people, or allow yourself to be perceived as hating people, simply because of their race, that is indeed morally repugnant, and such views when stated keep people from becoming convinced that your racial views are based on facts, not emotions. I think a lot of Amreners may need to wake up to that fact. We have to show that our views are the best, the fairest, and the most rational, for everyone, not just whites. If Sowell and Massie and suchlike blacks can be honest and generous-hearted and go against the tide of their own people, why can’t we also go against the tide of elite opinion, without rancor?

3)The vaguely post-apocalyptic scenario you describe in which “The country will unravel, and communities will reorganize or collapse” is not any kind of plan for white people or anyone else. Furthermore, the assertion that white people will choose their own race is hopeful at best, and belies the evidence that when people are used to mixing with people of other races, they do not self-consciously begin to choose their own race in any great number. The collapse you predict will more than likely end up with a San Paulo-type result if there is no positive action taken to prevent it. Any possible action is predicated on the propagation of our ideas in the general population—not just the white population!

White people pride themselves on being fair-minded to everyone. You are not going to convince them that your racial views are acceptable until you also provide a means of showing that the social and political implementation of your views is not going to result in unfairness to others. If you can’t talk about your racial views—under certain circumstances anyway—in front of black people, then you probably need to think more deeply about how to implement policies based on such views.

46 ludwig: Three points.
1. I don’t see the establishment of titled nobility coming about, but instead a ruling class, openly acknowledged as such without the hypocrisy of elections between Tweedledum and Tweedledee. This has been the norm throughout history for most peoples. Democracies have been very short lived, and the more enduring Republics of Rome and Venice had strong aristocratic elements.

2. Our views are repugnant only to those who would not allow us as a nation to have the same beliefs as other nations, like China or the Zulus.
(a) We are neither equal to nor interchangeable with other races or nations.
(b) The pretense that we are equal or interchangeable has done us serious damage.
(c) Many of those behind that pretense act from malice, envy, and a lust for power.
(d) We have every good right and reason to defend our race and nation, without apology.
(This is not a definitive or universal list, it’s just what came off the top of my head.)

From those four beliefs a number of policy ideas may be drawn, but hatred is not necessarily one of them. Hatred may attach itself to any set of beliefs. Have there never been devout, hate-filled, Christians or Buddists? Is there anyone today so filled with hatred as anti-racist activists?

3. I am vague about the future because I am not Nostradamus. My speculations come from my belief that, having removed the cultural and economic underpinnings of our First World status, we will not be able to continue at that status. Many people take peace and prosperity for granted, and they will be amazed and confused when the good things of this world are no longer theirs. Those that are able to will regroup and rebuild, and many others will sit helplessly or strike out blindly. There are many scenarios possible, but racial peace and cooperation isn’t one of them. If non-Whites were as willing to sacrifice themselves for Whites as some Whites think we should be willing to sacrifice ourselves for them, then maybe the age of Aquarius is upon us. But I don’t think so.

It is far too idealistic to think that constitutions and Western notions of fairness will affect events. Our Constitution is routinely and systematically ignored. Its only real value today is as a measuring tool of the loathsomeness of our current rulers. That the U.S. Attorney General can propose “hate crimes” legislation and be taken seriously shows how feeble its limits are. As for fairness, to give one blatant example out of the many possible, anti-White discrimination has been the law of the land for over 30 years, and not one of its White advocates has ever given up his job for a Black. Fairness is imaginary. Whose fairness? The unqualified Black with a government job she’s been flubbing for 23 years? The Mexican woman with five kids by three men who’s been on some kind welfare since she crossed the border? The millions of disruptive Black kids wasting their time disrupting the schools we provide for them? They all have “rights”, and it wouldn’t be “fair” to fire the long employed incompetent, deport the Mexican and her Mexican kids, or expel the brats from the schools. “Fairness” stands in the way of every rational act of self-preservation.

The institutions and values that we have established have been used as weapons against us. They are obsolete. Do Whites really need to be convinced that we may not save ourselves if it means upsetting others? Does the fact that I cannot politely tell a Black to his face that his race is, on average, clearly inferior by a wide margin, mean that policies that account for that inferiority are not possible? Do Whites who realize that they have been exploited and punished and reviled for the last 30 years really care about what is fair to other races? Only if they are fools.

Responses to your 3:

1) There is already an aristocracy of ability in place. Some of the problems with that aristocracy is what The Bell Curve is all about.

2) I am in complete agreement with you on a) through d) (with the proviso that d) ought to be undertaken in proportion to the threat.) But I disagree with you in that I don’t believe any of those points is publicly indefensible. They are not morally repugnant. They are simply observations of facts. True, they are smeared as being morally repugnant, but that doesn’t make them so. They don’t advocate any particular policy. It is in our advocacy, in our actions, and in our demeanor towards those of other races that we must be fearful of appearing or being morally repugnant.

3)Our views might sometimes come across as harsh, but they must never be shown to be unfair or unkind. It may be harsh to say that a black possessed of a sinecure must now have to compete with a white that deserves the job, or that a welfare mom has an obligation to work, but it is not unfair, and it is the intrinsic fairness of such advocacy that has power to convince others that our positions and beliefs are right.

Schoolteacher, count me a fool then, because I do care about what is fair for other races. If Massie, who is black, cares about whites, should I not care about all people also?

I am not bitter against blacks, but I am bitter about the lies I was made to believe about them. If our beliefs about the relative inferiority of blacks are true, why would that make us hate them? Do you hate someone for being born the way he is?

But on the other hand, the fact that they are what they are, and that no amount of education, anti-racist propaganda, affirmative action or reparation is ever more than a pretext for blacks to loot from whites, means I will oppose such policies, and explain to others why all nature, history and science supports my views. Furthermore the continuation of civilization depends on us implementing social policies based on the recognition of racial reality.

Amren has done a good deal of excellent work in justifying the hypothesis that race is like an extended family. But while I love and prefer my family above other families, does that mean fairness for my family has to come at the expense of fairness to the families of others? The boundary of my family is not the boundary of humanity. And if we want a broader audience—and I sure hope we do—we need to explain that our motives are not simply and only for the good of whites and damn the rest, but for the greater good of all, as indeed they are.

48-49 ludwig: Regarding the current aristocracy, I suggest “The Revolt of the Elites”, by Christopher Lasch. He was that rare item, an honest leftist, and best known for “The Culture of Narcissism”.

I see two, main issues here. First, your concern for being fair to other races. I have no concern for other races. If the Japanese disappeared, it would be to me as if the Roman Empire had disappeared. While Japan is very real to Japanese, to me it’s just something I’ve read about. It’s as far away to me as Ancient Rome or Athens, I’ve never been there and don’t expect to. If they all moved to Mars, I could still read about their history and culture if I wanted to. Realistically, the average Japanese sees us the same way. We’re just the people on the other side of the planet that buy all their stuff. I feel the same about China, India, Africa, the Middle East, and South America. Nothing against them personally, but I don’t live there, and if there’s a flood or earthquake, I read about it with no more real concern than the Johnstown Flood or the San Francisco Earthquake. I honestly would miss my dog more than I’d miss a billion Chinese or Hindus, and every normal person who’s not Chinese or Hindu feels the same. I’ve cried over a dead dog, but never a dead civilization.

Second, you have a concern for individuals of other races. I share that concern. As I wrote in post 15, compared to the typical Black, Mychal Massie, Thomas Sowell, or their like would be no problem for this country. It’s a real issue with a lot of WN, I think. What about the good Blacks or Mexicans? It’s not just a matter of really exceptional people, there’s the Black school bus driver I chat with most mornings, a 60 year old man still with his one and only wife, who is attentive to his work. There’s the Mexican English teacher who is truly bi-lingual and abhors spanglish, and will not tolerate bad grammar. It would be deeply unjust to send the bus driver to Africa, or even to some corner of the U.S. designated for Blacks. The English teacher is the best one I know, an ardent supporter of English supremacy, and an asset to any school. Sometimes, the necessity of survival might force us to be unjust, and I accept that, but I’d really rather not. In your original post, #3, you asked whether good non-Whites had a place in a WN society. I’d say Yes, a limited number, if they knew our rules, knew their place as guests in a society they did not create, and procedures were in place to ensure their compliance. Living in a White nation should be for non-Whites what living in Japan is for Whites: Live by the host’s rules or get out. That is fair.

But, the necessity of survival requires that we decide who the good ones are and decide how many of them we can allow. We got into the situation we’re now in because too many Americans bought the liberals’ sob stories about these poor people, and their assurances that they won’t cause any problems. We’ll have to be harder hearted next time.

Schoolteacher, I am enjoying our correspondence.

Regarding ‘concern for other races’: I suppose I misspoke. I didn’t mean concern for other races per se, but rather concern for OTHER PEOPLE in addition to those which are members of my own race. (I wouldn’t go as far as you in not caring about other civilizations—sometimes reading about them is very moving, and I can find myself ‘caring,’ in a sense, for, say, the ancient Greeks.)

I would not personally be at a loss if there were no black people on the planet. However, if something terrible happened to the black people presently on the planet, I would indeed be very troubled at their suffering, though not so troubled as if something were to happen to my own race or a race similar to mine. That is just natural. But to say that I wouldn’t care at all about their suffering would be inhuman. Of course I care. A failure to care is a failure of love and therefore a moral failure. But I cannot love everyone the same amount. And not everyone I love can subsequently be a part of my family, and therefore I cannot be equally obliged to everyone. Therein is the crux of the error of liberals respecting their doctrine of race.

A failure to love however is not to be justified by the fact that another human being is simply of a different race than I am. I think many Amreners miss that.

I think we are in broad general agreement. I also agree that the number of nonwhites in America should be kept to a minimum. I don’t think that making nonwhites into legal second-class citizens—as you seem to suggest—is a viable option (even if it might be just and, overall, in everyone’s best interests), but instead I think that everyone ought to be made to understand and to be grateful to our white British heritage for what this country is, to be taught to be proud of it, to appreciate its uniqueness, and to prefer it over others, as Sam Huntington wrote.

I think we have to follow commmon-sense and be practical regarding the presence of nonwhites in America. We can’t just pick the good ones and deport the rest. How would such an idea be implemented? But we can deport all the illegals and put immigration controls in place, and we can make people proud of their history and proud of their race so that they prefer their own, as they naturally should. There is nothing morally repugnant about any of that, and it comports with the moral necessity of survival too.

51 ludwig: I suppose I find the moral imperative of love less compelling than you do because my racial heart has been abused once too often. We also disagree on the proportions of persuasion and force appropriate to establishing a proper appreciation of Anglo-Saxon liberties among non-White residents. But surely we can agree that even if picking out the good ones might pose some difficulties, culling the bad ones ought be a snap. Illegal? Gone. Drug addict or alcoholic? Gone. Criminal, petty or otherwise? Gone. Don’t like White people? Gone. HB-1 visa? Gone. This is by no means an exhaustive list, but you get the idea. A majority of them could be cleared out in the time it takes to round them up and do the paperwork.

52-Schoolteacher: Christ taught us that we must love. I urge you to ponder that teaching in relation to other races (and in general). For me, it means that love begins at home, and has a preference for home, but love does not and cannot exclude others. But that doesn’t mean others are welcome to take over my home. Nevertheless, we cannot permit ourselves to overlook the good will of individuals of others races simply because, en masse, that race acts with enmity toward ours.

Culling is more difficult, I think, than you make out. Violations of visas and immigration problems should be easy, I agree. They are also fully in accord with justice, in my opinion. But after that, problems of practicality and simple justice appear to me to be insurmountable. What we cannot change then, we must abide.

Most people here I suppose are white nationalists or separatists. I think of myself rather as a white supremacist, practically speaking, by which I mean that the white standard ought to be the standard of this country in law and in every endeavor. I don’t hope for a racially pure country. I hope more for a sort of Austria-Hungary type country. I believe that such an arrangement is more in accord with conceptions of justice and charity and is furtermore practicable, while white separatism is not practicable. The latter seems to be simply a means for white people to react to things, but it is not any kind of political solution. Also, deportation of human beings of whatever race who have lived here for generations is unjust, in addition to the practical problems of actually getting them to leave and getting some country to take them.

It is ironic I suppose that my position—which I call white supremacy—is actually the position of the Old South (though I don’t mean that we should practice it like the Old South), but it implies the preservation of the Union, while the white nationalist position implies the dissolution of the Union.

Frankly, I think the white nationalist position in the long run will be suicidal. Whites are not going to preserve their country by splintering into ever smaller enclaves hunted by the Feds. Whites should instead do the opposite, as Kipling wrote—take up the white man’s burden. We need to assert our leadership, be proud of our heritage, and lay claim to our unique talent to rule over others. Someone has to rule, and no one does it better—more reasonably, more efficiently, and more fairly—than we do.

53 ludwig: I want no splintering into separate racial enclaves, nor do I see the present political order surviving. We are, as a matter of fact, forming enclaves, ghettos vs suburbs, Red states and Blue, but I think that is unsustainable. The ghettos and “blue” states are in a state of political and/or low intensity warfare against us, so there can be no peace. We could live without them, but they can’t live without us, so their aggression will continue until one side or the other is crushed. It is they who are suicidal. Just today, (July 14) we see an article posted that Congress will now welcome foreigners with AIDS. How senseless can they be?

I think that widespread violence will be our future, initiated by the frustrated, dark-skinned minorities, and countered by Whites. I just don’t see the Third Worlders standing by and starving when the food stamps run out. Look to Somalia, where warlords control the distribution of food aid for how this works. This government commands no loyalty, and when bankrupt will lose its grip. Without Federal dollars raining down to buy them, the various states and enclaves will have to get by on their own resources, and will struggle to keep what they have, just as politicians in DC strive to get as much pork for their districts as possible. Just as the former provinces of Rome sorted themselves out into little states, each led by whoever, Roman or Barbarian, was able to lead. Without the resources of the productive diverted to them, the NAM will quickly sink back into the chaotic destitution they came from, and they will fight, and rob, and rape. But they will lose.
BTW, most of the Orientals and Hindus have no loyalty to this country at all, and will take their stashes of gold and leave when things get ugly. No Chinese is willing to risk a precious son’s life for some Frisco real estate, when he’s got a few hundred thousand waiting for him in a bank in China.

As the non-Whites and their controllers are beaten, as the White enclaves regain the stolen ground, I think a process not unlike the Soviet conquest of Eastern Europe will begin. The culling of the bad ones will likely take place in an atmosphere of revenge. 17 million Germans were expelled from their homes in the Baltic states, East Prussia, and the Sudetenland. I see something similar here, perhaps even more vicious. It’s cruel, but the aftermath of a racial civil war brought on us by White traitors could hardly be otherwise. And the new political order will consequently have racial preservation as a central concern. Justice may be tempered by mercy, but justice, and survival, come first.