Sotomayor Ruling Exposes Racial Split in Firehouses

Isn’t it INCREDIBLE, AMAZING,etc. that issues like the white firefighters don’t move the European American public? Talk about the handwriting being on the wall. I mean, it is being written in BOLD LETTERING, and yet, whites are oblivious. Pat Buchanan, has been a voice in the wilderness on this issue. It’s just anti-intuitive to think that Americans wouldn’t be moved en masse by this stuff, so serious are the implications.

“Firefighters say diversity can be especially important in emergencies. Victims may feel more comfortable when they see first responders who look similar to them or understand their neighborhoods, they say.”

I’m all for this. This way the incompetents service their own neighborhoods and white neighborhoods return to getting only the best!

“In Houston, seven minority firefighters sued the city last year over exams used to select captains and senior captains. Dennis Thompson, an attorney for the firefighters, said the tests “in essence inflate the performance of whites over minorities.””

Just like the talent scouts for basketball “inflate” the performance of blacks over non-blacks, I presume.

“Diversity and cultural experiences are important for first responders, Thompson said. “You can embrace it and adapt or you can fight it and be a dinosaur,” he said.”

I’m not, nor have I ever been, a fireman but can someone point to the lecture, manual etc states that “differences in race, religion and culture” make it easier to put out fires and retrieve cats from trees?

“Firefighters say diversity can be especially important in emergencies. Victims may feel more comfortable when they see first responders who look similar to them or understand their neighborhoods, they say. “

1. I’m sorry, but when did “African-Americans” = “diversity”?
2. If my, or any of your, house(s) were on fire would you want:
a. An officer in charge because of his skills/merit, or
b. An officer in charge because of the colour of his skin?

So it’s important that first responders “look like” the folks they are aiding, a racial concept valid for hiring latinos, but yet somehow not racist. Of course it doesn’t make any sense.

“Asked whether the current system, which also allows supervisors to make “merit” promotions regardless of race or test scores, puts citizens’ safety at risk, Basile said, “absolutely.”

Remember the over-weight, black Chicago firefighter who had to be rescued while on a call?

As I always say, I happy to give blacks anything they want so long as they stay within their own communities. If it’s important that blacks communities see black firefighters, let blacks run their own stations in their own neighborhoods. They can promote anyone for any reason, no tests, no prerequesists, minimal qualifications, no questions asked.

Incompetent blacks coast on the work and efforts of whites.

The fact is whites thrive without blacks but blacks can’t live without whites.

“Victims may feel more comfortable when they see first responders who look similar to them or understand their neighborhoods, they say. “

When whites feel this way it is called racism. We are doomed.

So once again this tired old claptrap is trotted-out about non-whites being more comfortable, in this case in emergencies, when seeing others who “look similar to them.” Yet Whites are supposed to embrace “Diversity” at every turn, and welcome all those who look distinctly UNLIKE themselves, as doing otherwise would be immoral and evil…or something to that effect. A three year old can see the obvious hypocrisy here - but “enlightened” elites evidently cannot!

Firefighters say diversity can be especially important in emergencies. Victims may feel more comfortable when they see first responders who look similar to them or understand their neighborhoods, they say.

Of all the “diversity” poppycock dribbled before us over the years, this is the most ridiculous I’ve heard so far. How “comfortable” is anyone going to be -how “comfortable” should anyone be- when his house is burning down? Is a black homeowner going to dash back into the flames because he sees a “honky” trying to knock down his house fire? Is a Hispanic going to tell a guero firefighter trying to give him oxygen after smoke inhalation: “I don’t feel comfortable with you doing that - call a compadre for me instead.”?

“Affirmative action” in hiring of firefighters is treating a critical civic service as a political football and will unconscionably endanger the lives of all races in any locality where it is adopted.

Firefighters say diversity can be especially important in emergencies. Victims may feel more comfortable when they see first responders who look similar to them or understand their neighborhoods, they say.

And here I thought all these years that people wanted firefighters to know about such things as structural integrity, the behavior of fires, and the ability to operate equipment.

A question from a St. Louis Fire Department promotional test (not an entrance test) that was considered “culturally biased” was this: You are 90 feet away from the fire. Each hose is 30 feet long. How many hoses do you have to string together to reach the fire? Evidently, 90 divided by 30 is culturally biased. And this was a promotion test, so those at the Captain rank and above are straddled with such brain-busters.

I hope the moderator doesn’t mind if I just make a side comment on the ‘Dinosaur’ analogy, and leave the fireman issue alone.
Socially and politically I am a proud Dinosaur, which feels weird to say as I am under 40yrs old.
But when you think about it, though Dinosaurs are used as a example of something old and out-dated. They were actually a very successful species lasting for 200 million years.
Where we’ve been ‘self aware’ for what 40,000 years max.
And how long would you give us from now?
When it seems every faction on earth now has it’s own nuclear weapons and when we are heading for a global population of seven billion people, from having only a billion people a hundred years ago.
Whilst we displace oursleves with people who still practise a medieval religion or who have the breeding habits formed from living ‘in the wild’.
Look at modern buildings for instances that are built from materials designed to last maybe a century, compared to the Colosseum whose concrete has lasted 2,000 years. Or how with all of our clever technology we still haven’t come up with anyway of recording data that would outlast the chisled clay tablets from ancient Egypt.
According to one of the Mayan, Nostradamous, Book of Revelations doomsday prophecies. When the magnetic polarity of the Earth reverses all of the 0’s and 1’s of this electronic digital world that we’re indulging now would be wiped.

We’re not as clever as we think we are and we can never leave the old ways completely,
It would take very little to throw our World into chaos, try a world pandemic or a 5 degree global drop in temperature to start the next Ice age.
Then it would be the time of us dinosaurs again.

This has always puzzled me, are these police and firefighter tests given in some kind of special code that Blacks don’t know about? Are test results secret and then adjusted to place whites ahead of blacks? How else could you explain the consistent pattern of failure of blacks?

I can understand blacks failing entry level tests, but when black police/firemen with 10-15 years experience, and black captains and lieutenants are failing job related tests at the sames rates as entry level test takers, I’m thinking most of these blacks are in over their heads.

Its pretty much the end for the US unless we get our country back. We are on the fast track to becoming one giant South Africa, a total mess of black rule and crippling black incompetence.

“It will be front and center for Republicans who want to oppose her,” said Dorf, who has written books on constitutional law and follows the high court closely. “That is the one real arrow they have in their quiver, and I would be surprised if they didn’t shoot it over and over again.”

We can only wish. Here’s my bet: The Republicans will be too afraid to even bring the issue up, lest they be labeled “racists”. Besides, they have to hang on to their whopping 35% of the Hispanic vote.

Of course there are other issues the Republicans could bring up, so it’s hardly the only arrow in their quiver. Among those rulings of Sotomayer that were appealed, 60% were overturned. Even the left wing Mother Jones magazine had this to say about her writing, “Her opinion in the case runs 80 pages; reading it might be good punishment for law students who show up late for class.” The simple fact is that on simple matters of competence she wouldn’t even be considered if she wasn’t a Hispanic woman.

“Firefighters say diversity can be especially important in emergencies. Victims may feel more comfortable when they see first responders who look similar to them or understand their neighborhoods, they say.”

Oh, I’m sure it would be perfectly acceptable if white homeowners expressed displeasure at black firefighters arriving at their home because “they would feel more comfortable with firefighters who look similar to themselves…”. (sarcasm) Add this to the long list of double standards.

Diversity and cultural experiences are important for first responders, Thompson said. “You can embrace it and adapt or you can fight it and be a dinosaur,” he said.

If you embrace diversity you and your kin will eventually go extinct, like the dinosaurs.

It’s so disgusting that these idiots think diversity is way more important that safety!

And as far as being a dinosaur just because you’re not for diversity, even the real dinosaurs themselves had a lot more brains and common sense than these diversity hustlers will ever have.

Re: “Firefighters say diversity can be especially important in emergencies. Victims may feel more comfortable when they see first responders who look similar to them or understand their neighborhoods, they say.”
The operative word is may, as the speaker is speculating. This has no basis-in-fact. It is a highly doubtful statement when people are in deparate need of help.
What is factual is in the home health care industry blacks prefer black aides, and Hispanics don’t want black aides. Just who is the bigoted ethnic group?

“Isn’t it INCREDIBLE, AMAZING,etc. that issues like the white firefighters don’t move the European American public? Talk about the handwriting being on the wall. I mean, it is being written in BOLD LETTERING, and yet, whites are oblivious. Pat Buchanan, has been a voice in the wilderness on this issue. It’s just anti-intuitive to think that Americans wouldn’t be moved en masse by this stuff, so serious are the implications.”

Well who hates Pat Buchanan? Those are the people who don’t a debate on AA. The reason this issue hasn’t become bigger is because the neocon dominated mainstream conservative media won’t get behind it. Think about how AA dropped off the political radar screen after Bush was elected. We never heard anything about it for years. Instead, we heard about how the Republicans need to reach out to minorities and about how we need to fight wars in the middle east that are not in America’s interest. If we want to know who is responsible for AA being ignored by the GOP, look which groups HAVE been pandered to: big business, the fundamentalists and the neocons.

is it possible no one has noticed that the rationale for having firemen “look like people there serving” works against blacks and Hispanic firemen:

it means that whites people have the right to request that only white firemen service their neighborhoods, only white policeman patrol them, only white teachers teach in the schools, etc., which amounts to a justification for full-scale apartheid.

this confirms my suspicion that people who defend race quotas for protected minorities can’t even hear what they’re saying, they’re just repeating slogans like robots.

http://www.fireprep.com/free_50_question_firefighter_p.html

Could someone tell me which of these 50 questions are racist?

“Oh, I’m sure it would be perfectly acceptable if white homeowners expressed displeasure at black firefighters arriving at their home because “they would feel more comfortable with firefighters who look similar to themselves…”. (sarcasm) Add this to the long list of double standards.”

It’s a double standard mainstream whites love, because it makes whites a caste above in their own eyes. Whites love it when the firefighter, gardener, soldier, cook, auto tech, whatever is black or brown. It gives these whites a sense of superiority to see that. They love it and eat it up and caste aspersions on other whites who don’t play along with the new Caste System America. That’s the real motivation of these “liberals”: it hurts their aggrandized self image to see a white man working with his hands.

It’s a fatal flaw in whites. It’s getting whites chopped up and burnt alive in South Africa, not without cause. Whites have no right to make themselves a caste above and expect to be waited on like princes and princesses.

>>>the tests “in essence inflate the performance of whites over minorities

Guess the only practical answer being that only WHITES are required to take tests. That Blacks and Mexicans should automatically be qualified on the basis of skin color alone.

That said, now WHO wants to be the first to entrust himself to an affirmative action Brain Surgeon or Open Heart Surgery Specialist? Do I hear any volunteers?

In regards to this issue the left is not wholey behind the anti-white bigotry. Even some of the posters at DailyKos concede that testing is not culturally biased or contributing to disparate impact. I’m quite sure they are seeing that they are becoming a joke which is the worst fear of anyone trying to promotes one’s own authority as the liberals see themselves.

“Firefighters say diversity can be especially important in emergencies.”

What firefighters? Not the ones who sued, apparently. Maybe the dumb non-White ones?

I worked for department of corrections 10 years, then the state police until I retired last year. I’m here to tell you this….over the years of my civil service (33 years) I’ve seen nearly ALL civil service examinations and promotion tests “dumbed down” so blacks could have a chance at passing them. You probably wonder why I make such a bold comment? Because “I” was the one who dumbed-down the tests as per verbal orders from the commissioner and other high-ranking supervisors at the time. It was a closed door meeting and bringing “DIVERSITY” (i.e. blacks) into the higher ranks was the main objective. Even after making the tests 10th grade level and doing everything but coloring in the correct bubbles, the blacks still failed 60% of the time while “white” passing scores were always 100%? Finally, all tests were done away with (2002) and promotions were based upon evaluation scores, physical fitness, range quals and other “physical” factors. Sad but true and one day…before I leave this earth, I’ll confess what I know to the national news agencies - along with many memorandums on how to “promote diversity”. It’s a joke.

Hi, I was an Army recruiter from 1998 thru 08/2003 and one FACT I can comment on is the pre-ASVAB screening test which I administered on a weekly basis. These tests were dummied down to a at least 8th grade level, a pre-high school SAT is what they reminded me of. These tests were made simplier for one reason - so africian americans could pass them.

I’ve seen young white people come into my office half drunk/high/stoned, etc, take the test and score mid-80’s through 90. Blacks on the other hand were always the last to finish, asked a million questions (cheated using calculators) during the exam and nearly 100% of them scored below 60%, some as low as 9 or 10. That is a fact that can easily be confired by calling any armed forces recruiter…blacks score lower.

Actually what the one person said was true

As the percentage of white people in this country continues to decrease opposition to affirmative action, quota, busing, ad nauseam will steadily weaken.

A chilling prospect but one that is true.

It’s more than anti-White bigotry. It’s a conscious desire to wipe out all the progress made by descendants of Europeans, to take their assets, and give them to the imagined victims of White “oppression.”

At the rate we are going we will need affirmative action to ensure we are not discriminated against when we become the minority in 40 years.

Second ability over politics especially in that line of work should have never been a question this goes to show that our society is decaying. “A virtues society is a dying society” - who said that? (one of those Greek philosophers).

“the pre-ASVAB screening test which I administered on a weekly basis. These tests were dummied down to a at least 8th grade level.”

Actually, ASVAB test scores, averaging nearly 100, the highest scoring enlisted man I met had an ASVAB score of 135, roughly correlate to IQ.

Perhaps black fireman spend their time doing other things than preparing for promotion tests? On average, of course.

“You can embrace it [displacement] and adapt or you can fight it and be a dinosaur.”

Thanks, but I’d rather be a dinosaur. It’s more honorable than being just another castrated and psychologically-conditioned white American.

The goal is to make bigotry against white males permanent, forever. Eventually they will just refuse to hire any white males at all. Like where the Chicago Post Office is headed.

Recruiter #26

When I was in high school (which was 75% minority), I took the ASVAB. Out of the 50+ people who took it, only six passed with minimum or better scores. I made the cut-off for Navy Nuclear Power School. This was in the early-mid 80’s and the Army was still taking guys with 15 or higher (out of 99). My recruiter told me of a high school in his territory that did not have one passing score in 4 years. But the Navy still made him go there and present the song and dance. As I have said before, what do you want in the Air Traffic Control Tower or the Nuclear Power Plant: Diversity or Excellence? I couldn’t care less if the guy in charge of the fire scene is green or purple; so long as he is COMPETENT! Yes, I’ll gladly be called a dinosaur.

Southern Hoosier #20

I think I found evidence of racism in the first question. The names need to be changed from Gary Renner to Tyrone Washington, from Helen Spina to Shaniequa Jackson, and Captain Keller to Captain Rodney Johnson. The names are too Caucasian.