Senate Call for Slavery Apology Meets Unlikely Foe

If blacks get reparations I think it would only be fair that the government gets repaid for the trillions of dollars in social programs that have been designed to benefit the black community.

“Putting in a disclaimer takes away from the meaning of an apology,” said Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss.

We all know this is about money. ‘Sorry’ was never the issue. This is standard ‘foot in the door’ activism.

First they say, ‘all we want is an apology’. So most people say, ‘that sounds reasonable enough’ and agree. But once they have the apology, the door gets pushed open even further.

I’ve said before I’m not necessarily against reparations if I believed it would end with a one-time-only payout. After all, it would amount to a stimulus package. Blacks would quickly spend the money and it would be back in circulation. But as with the black farmers payout, once is never enough and since many blacks would foolishly squander this windfall, they would be demanding more money because they would complain the payout was unfair or handled badly.

I suspect reparation legislation will be passed. The only questions are when, how much, how many times the payouts are going to be made, and in what never-ending forms.

“A wrong of segregation was done by the federal government of the United States of America, and we acknowledge that,” said Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., a co-sponsor of the resolution. “We say it was wrong, and we ask forgiveness for that.”

Who is this “WE” he keeps mentioning? He and his friends? his family? white Americans? I know it’s not me. Nobody can apologize for the actions of another person. This is getting to be well beyond absurd! There is one thing about most blacks and that is, they will never be satisfied. EVER!

Of course they want MONEY! This was never about an “apology” to begin with. They could care less about what the White man says, all they care about is getting the White man’s money for nothing. Hasn’t the White man paid enough for these people being allowed to stay in this country? They will NEVER be satisfied, period! They will milk the White man forever and the lemming Whites will hand it over.

i don’t understand the slavery thing.how did a few white boys on wood ships abduct blacks in africa.they had to be on the ships for weeks if not months and had to take the slaves back. i’ve seen drawings of the slaves packed like sardines below the ships deck.how big a crew? how big were the ships? someone on shore(BLack africkan tribal leader)had to have sold there people out? if so will they pay reparations for all the whites that have been murdered,raped & assaulted at the hands of blacks

Like I said yesterday here, the CBC is either stupid, b/c an official apology plus years of Obama judicial picks will mean reparations. Or they’re being Briar Patch Machiavellian.

Can someone please tell me the difference between slavery and the draft? Unless of course one realizes the the draft quite often results in death and that would equate to state murder.

I’m still waiting for my reparations when I and many others were refused employment at the new U.S.A-U.A.W. Socialist Motors (Old G.M) because of our white skin.

Blacks need to get power, position and money any crooked way they can, because they just can’t obtain any of the three on their own. They’ve been given numerous privileges, but they still can’t perform adequately as a people.

In addition to giving them them what everybody else has to earn, they require that we all pretend that they are where they are, because of their own efforts. They applaud their co-ethnics when they are given positions as a part of AA as if they were capable enough to have obtained positions because of their intelligence and hard work.

There will be no end to it all, because it just isn’t possible to placate people who don’t have the intelligence to recognize assistance when they get it. Instead they FIRMLY believe that there are rocket scientists, CEO’s, presidents, great writers, gifted intellects, rife within their ranks and the reason they aren’t recognized for their talents is because the white man is keeping them down. Believe me, they don’t think there is such a thing as affirmative action. They believe AA is just a procedure whereby the white man removes his foot from the neck of a few blacks so they can excel.

If you point to the fact that every black nation on earth is a failure as well as its natives, including the ones who fled to other countries, they will either deny that to be the case or blame their failures on whites.

Ask these folks what Obama’s cut should be.

Slavery (although abhorrent) benefited those who were sold by their own people and brought to the USA.
alex haley’s “roots” series did a great disservice by the outright lies and misperceptions that were presented.
It is FACT that the slaves were sold by their own kind. Europeans DID NOT capture them; tribal leaders (and local tribal conquerors) made “deals” with the slave traders.
A educated black professor who gives tours at the african embarkation points notes that American blacks are truly “shocked” to find out that they were pressed into slavery by their own kind.
The movie “amistad” leaves out an important point about “cinque”, one of the slaves that won his freedom after a rebellion aboard ship.
“cinque” made numerous trips back to africa as a slave trader to acquire slaves and was quite successful at it.
There is an article in a back issue of “American Heritage” magazine called “Selling Poor Steven” which chronicles the portion of the slave trade being run by blacks. It also makes one aware of the extent of the black slaveowner society that existed at the time. Slavery was a human condition that sometimes made no account of race. “Indentured servants” who were white were quite often treated more harshly and given more dangerous jobs than slaves because the terms of their contracts were limited. Many of them did not live to see the end of their terms.

Does everyone notice how the “reparations” paradigm is of Blacks being oppressed, victimized, and worthy of tons of money and resources to make them whole?

Blacks have benefitted tremendously because of White people. If anyone has suffered, it is White people having to live in proximety with Blacks. Imagine how much lower our taxes would be if we didn’t have to support 15 percent of the population that has an 80% out of wedlock birth rate, high welfare usage, high crime committing, average 85 IQ population.

It really is Blacks who owe Whites reparations. Common sense bears it out.

We already have reparations, it’s called welfare.

BTW, what would a mulatto do, write himself a check?

Terese:

Supporters of the Great Society, when it was being proposed, said that one of the reasons we needed to pass it is to give blacks reparations for slavery. And that they have — to the tune of probably $7 trillion by now. A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon it starts adding up to real money.

But these are the kinds of “reparations” that the black elite don’t want. They say that average blacks should not get reparations money because, in their own words, slavery was so horrible that the average black would be so traumatized and experience PTSD style flashbacks, just upon seeing the check on his or her hands, that s/he will lash out by wasting the money on bling. Instead, CBC/NAACP want reparations for black “nation building,” i.e. a golden honey pot sinecure for black kook pseudo-intellectuals like Cornell West.

Nothing shows how clearly that the Senate has lost its collective mind than the fact that this resolution, pregnant with potential consequences for this country, none of them good, sailed right on through on a voice vote. Was this a clever move to ensure that no one would have to actually cast a traceable, recorded vote on this measure? Or did it actually show that the Senate believes it was so obviously a good thing that it was believed no real vote was necessary?

Won’t it be ironic — and poetic justice — if this wrongheaded resolution is derailed in the House by the very blacks it is targeted to “help”? By the way, I thought the choice of the phrase “slam dunk,” considering how the blacks have completely taken over the NBA in recent years, was grimly humorous and appropriate.

Show me a slave and his former master (most former slave masters are the ancestors of todays liberals), and I’ll make sure the master gives reparations. But I am a white casualty of affirmitive action. The Black Caucus can look elsewhere for their extortion racket.

What about reparations for white people who are enslaved by black racist welfare recipients with the help of their evil Bolshevik sidekicks? Welfare enslaves the white middle class.

The economist Walter Williams has it so right, he has issued a blanket amnesty to all White people in this country for all grievances, real or imagined. This he says is done to stop White people from always making such damm fools of themselves in constantly grovelling and apologizing for things that none of them anything to do with. There is not a black person alive today that was ever a slave in this country. But we are always told that the descendent’s of the slave’s are owed an apology and reparation’s. By this logic there must be hundred’s of million’s of descendants of Greek, Roman, and Arab slavery alive today through out the world who are also owed something.

Seriously,I am all for reparations. Give them each a big chunk of change. I have seen some numbers bantered around for reparations. $150,000 per person stands out a lot.

Why do I want to see payments made? Because I have a really morbid sense of curiosity. Could you imagine each black getting $150,000, and what social implications would ensue?

A whole slew of arguments about Afro-American culture would be unavoidably settled. If you know what I mean.

Plus what does it matter that the government throws out a few billion more. The dollar is already toast. The victory would be short lived.

Anonymous wrote alex haley’s “roots” series did a great disservice by the outright lies and misperceptions that were presented.
It is FACT that the slaves were sold by their own kind. Europeans DID NOT capture them; tribal leaders (and local tribal conquerors) made “deals” with the slave traders.
A educated black professor who gives tours at the african embarkation points notes that American blacks are truly “shocked” to find out that they were pressed into slavery by their own kind.
The movie “amistad” leaves out an important point about “cinque”, one of the slaves that won his freedom after a rebellion aboard ship.
“cinque” made numerous trips back to africa as a slave trader to acquire slaves and was quite successful at it.
There is an article in a back issue of “American Heritage” magazine called “Selling Poor Steven” which chronicles the portion of the slave trade being run by blacks. It also makes one aware of the extent of the black slaveowner society that existed at the time. Slavery was a human condition that sometimes made no account of race. “Indentured servants” who were white were quite often treated more harshly and given more dangerous jobs than slaves because the terms of their contracts were limited. Many of them did not live to see the end of their terms.>>

Most Blacks DO know that Blacks were sold to European slave traders by other Black Africans and Arabs. No race has a monopoly on greed. White traders going to the grasslands to trap slaves only accounted for less than 5% of the enslaved population. But what difference does it make anyway? Whites have enslaved other Whites, and Native Americans have been enslaved as well.

— The movie “amistad” leaves out an important point about “cinque”, one of the slaves that won his freedom after a rebellion aboard [a Spanish] ship.
“cinque” made numerous trips back to africa as a slave trader to acquire slaves and was quite successful at it.
There is an article in a back issue of “American Heritage” magazine called “Selling Poor Steven” which chronicles the portion of the slave trade being run by blacks.

— Another point (that was not made) about Cinque was that he was returned to Africa by a public subscription taken in New England. When he got there, he found that his entire village and family had been wiped out by inter-tribal warfare. Thus, he was actually spared their fate by being taken to Cuba as a slave. For him, slavery in the New World had proven to be a blessing in disguise.

If blacks get reparations, will it be alright for companies, or different organizations to be able to place liens on their checks? I’m sure that’ll have to be addressed once the idea of reparations is okayed. I wonder just how many blacks in this country have walked away from contrctural responsibilities?

Tom Iron…

I’m currently reading this heavy duty book, The Slave Trade: History of the Atlantic Slave Trade, 1440-1870. If anybody should offer reparations it’s the African kings and the muslims who sold them into slavery.

If it wasn’t for white people these blacks would be in Africa swatting flies off their faces and running from lions. These people receive zillions of dollars in the form of welfare over the years. These truly are ungrateful people. The only ones suffering are whites whose inner city neighborhoods have been destroyed by these people.

The Black Congressional caucus is the mortal enemy of Native Born White Americans.

Anyone who thinks that minority status for Native Born White Americans means the ned to affirmtive action is delusional. On the contrary, if and when Native Born White Amerians are reduced to an dwindling minority within the borders of America, affirmative aciton will be forced on them and their will be nothing you can do about it. Post-1965 non-whites will control the military,police departments and the legal system.

Reparations will very likely be the match thrown ino the basement full of gasoline. Reparations among other things will mean free college education and free health care for blacks and later on hispancs and asians. Native Born White Americans-most of whom live a few pay checks from the street-in addition to not recieving free college education and free health care, will be forced to subsidize the free college and free health of blacks and eventually other groups pushing for reparations. Without a doubt Native Born White Americans will be made worse off.

In the theory of Social Welfare econmics reparations will violate the principle of Pareto Optimality. It is just horrible social welfare policy.

But on the most fundamental level, reparations is just another exmple of the vicious race war that is being waged against Native Born White Americans.

I think that if everyone paid everyone else reparations for what their ancestors did, everyone would break even.

I guess some people are hoping to hit it big in the ghetto lottery. There’s money to be made in playing the poor, downtrodden victim.

“They applaud their co-ethnics when they are given positions as a part of AA as if they were capable enough to have obtained positions because of their intelligence and hard work.”

Actually, they always do so, accept AA, as if America is a society completely racist against them. Let it not be said they aren’t victims, yet again. For saying so would be even more evidence of ugly racism. Whether or not they fully believe this or not, they always live by it. So do most whites. Not believing it would be more evidence of racism and would be ‘divisive’. Who says belief’s shouldn’t be controlled?

This is good news. The more open the dispute, the more people will see what the score is. The Congressional Black Caucus has just put the lie to that little disclaimer attached to the Senate’s apology. They’re too dumb and short sighted to realize that the courts would have given them reparations anyway, disregarding the disclaimer. As always, a dollar RIGHT NOW instead of five dollars next week. We were right and they were wrong. That’s always a good position to be in.

More ritual racist white-bashing. It really isn’t about slavery or reparations, it’s a method of those in power to force their subjects to symbolically and publicly bow down to their masters and acknowledge their subservience. Meanwhile … over the last 50 years or so, we have seen a pandemic of racist rape and murder against whites and the remarkable ethnic cleansing of virtually every major American city, all overseen by the same Congress that is issuing this proclamation. You wouldn’t know there was one white lynching or rape victim during that period by perusing the Congressional records. The Senators aren’t responsible for slavery that happened long before they were born, but they are morally and legally responsible for the fact that a few blocks from where they issued this proclamation no white person can walk in safety, a real civil rights violation they have the power to do something about but decline to do, indeed decline to even mention.

Reparations for black slavery? Then why not pay reparations to poor whites living in Appalachia and in the South, because their ancestors where often kidnapped from England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland and on the European mainland to become so-called “indentured servants”?

I have not read this book myself, but I have heard that a good book about whites in slavery is “White Cargo.” Perhaps, if anyone else, reading this post,is more knowledgble about white enslavement in American history, they can reply with another post.

I did read the 1974 book “The Good Old Days-They were Terrible!” and this I can back up:

As late as a century ago, poor white people, of many different ethnic and religious backrounds, were economic slaves of factory owners. Many of these factory workers were children who were denied the chance to go to school, would be maimed in a factory accident, and the factory owner would be just pay $5.00 to the parents and forget about the life-long suffering inflicted upon the child.

These economic factory slaves would work from sun up to sun down for a pittance just to barely survive in misery, while the factory owners would live in what would be a life of oppulence for that time period.

So if there are to be reparations to blacks for slavery, why not have reparations to the decendents of these factory workers!?

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So the Senate has passed an apology for slavery. But this apology will probably only fuel the reparations advocates. This is why reparations won’t work in America.

Most important issue is that everyone who owned slaves is dead. Next, most people who are descendants of slaves do not know from whom they are descended, they cannot prove that descent, and they do not know to whom to send the bill.

Another issue is that slaves from the United States need to get in line. Here is a short list of those in front of American slave descendants: the Jews are in line to get monetary reparations for 400 years of slavery by the Egyptians, they also have a case pending against the Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Assyrians, Philistines, Romans, Byzantines, Umayyads, Abbasids, Ottomans, and English; next the Babylonian descendants were slaves to the Persians, the Persian descendants need reparations from the Greeks, the Greeks and the rest of the Mediterranean and European areas need money back from the Romans, the Scots and Welsh are line to get money from the English, the Irish as well…
African descendants should first go after those who live on the west coast of Africa, as they were the slavers who captured them and sold them in the first place.”

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_153448.asp

I want an apology to me, and other Whites, who were, and continue to be, Victims of Affirmative Action selection for Schools, Colleges, and jobs, as well as promotions that we clearly earned, by getting the highest scores on the exams, but were not promoted, due to the Color of Our Skin.

Whites have been victims of “Diversity” and “Multiculturalism” through rampant crime, which they are, more often than not, on the receiving end of extreme violence from these mindless brutes.

Whites have lost the value of their largest investment, their homes, when Blacks, and other Minorities were forced into Our Neighborhoods, by Uncle Sambo.

So, where is Our Apology and Reparations?

Why don’t you tell the Black Caucus they they have been paid 1,000 times over for the relatively few Blacks that were Slaves, to an even smaller White population, through Affirmative Action, Welfare, “Empowerment Zones” Contract Set-Asides for Black Businesses, whether they can do the work or not, and the “Fair Housing” Act, which is anything but fair to Whites, and their families.

So what if they get money? It’s not like they are going to do anything smart with it like invest it or use it to better their communities. We will be given every penny back, rather quickly, when they spend it on stuff they can’t live without like lotto tickets, big screen tv’s, and mouth jewlery.

Let us not forget who the first court ordered slave owner in America was. A black by the name of Anthony Johnson. He went to court and it was ordered that his indentured servant be bestowed to him for life. Look it up yourself.

The Readers here really need to go to the web site for the Council of Conservative Citizens, which is www.cofcc.org and click on the link for “Lee in the Mountains”.

You can watch an approximately 9:00 minute video of the former Country of Rhodesia, in 1975, and contrast that to what it was allowed to become, since the Whites turned over power to Robert Mugabe’s Communists, in 1980.

This is America’s future. Get ready, now.

How can people today possibly apologise or pay reparations for something that happened to people long dead ?

What about the white slave trade into North Africa that went on for centuries ? Will Africans pay for that ? What about the Roman invasion of Britain ?

This is just a blackmailing exercise - dont fall for it.

“The Senate passed a resolution on Thursday calling on the United States to apologize officially for the enslavement and segregation of millions of blacks and to acknowledge “the fundamental injustice, brutality and inhumanity of slavery and Jim Crow laws.”

‘MILLIONS of blacks? Ye are joking aren’t ye?’

“the Scots and Welsh are line to get money from the English, the Irish as well…”

That’s right! My (mostly) Irish ancestors came over to Australia to get away from English oppression. As far as I can gather from family talk, they arrived here, get on with thier lives (they did) were still looked down upon by their new lords here in Oz (the Brits), but it was better here and the farms that my grandparents founded were successful.

I am certainly not anti-English…if it were not for the English, we wouldn’t have a railroad anywhere!

This thing is never going to die. Not even if the U.S. votes unaimiously to pay reparations. Because even after they decide how much and who will pay (which would be an overwhelming task), any amount of reparations is NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH. Blacks will still scream that they were cheated.

Primavera,
It makes a BIG difference. As for most blacks knowing that their own kind sold them into bondage, I must respectfully disagree. Please read my statement about the professor who gives tours of the embarkation points for the slave trade.
It is time to remove the blame for slavery on the white man and put it where it belongs. The WHITE MAN (first in Great Britain) was the FIRST to abolish slavery.
There is NO ONE living today that owned slaves.
Slavery was an institution which KNEW NO COLOR and was an accepted part of society (and still is in africa—look at the muslim slave traders of today).
Best regards,

I am sorry that black slaves were brought to America centuries ago. Are blacks sorry that they invented slavery millenniums ago in Africa and that it has continued unabated in Africa to this very day? And are blacks aware of the fact that the black slaves in America lived much better than their black ancestors in Africa do today? Are blacks aware of the fact that they commit a grossly disproportionate percentage of crimes in every white country they reside in? Are blacks aware of the fact that their days remaining in the world’s white nations are numbered?

Concernicus:

(BTW, I like that screen name)

See the thread from Thursday about rep’s. The black “elite” know that average blacks would blow reparations money on bling, and they come up with come bull excuse that it’s because of the trauma of slavery and PTSD flashbacks upon seeing the reparations checks. So they want to use reparations money for “nation building.” What that means is that it would be trillions of dollars that would become a sinecure honey pot for kooks like Cornell West.

The existence of free labor that was slavery precluded the development and growth of a white bourgeoise middle class in the antebellum South. If you were white in the South, there was hardly any middle ground between being to the manor born and being dirt poor.

And since that did not exist, it made it a lot harder (notwithstanding post-WBTS economic discrimination and vengenace) to develop a working mainly unionized middle class.

If anyone needs reparations, it is the descendants of ante-bellum poor southern whites.

If reparations go through I think there should be a massive tax strike equal to the amount awarded.

This is just another “scam” that is being perpetrated on white people by black racist bigoted pig scam artists. However this is small in comparison to the biggest scam of all time which of course is the election of Obama. In a time when this nation is already trillions in debt it is beyond comprehension that these idiots want to put the U.S.A. in the hole even further just to satisfy their own racist hate. It’s always “slavery this” and “slavery that” but when a Communist nation like Red China that cares nothing about human life decides to demand payment in full for all the debt that we owe them we are all going to find out what real slavery is all about.

Reparations?

Do the trillions of dollars that the government has spent to improve the lives of black people not suffice?

Post #40 Question Diversity: Let’s give American Blacks one way passage back to Africa. They can begin to build a Nation in any Country they land in.

“Thompson noted that a 1988 apology that the government issued to Japanese-Americans held in U.S. camps during World War II had no disclaimer and didn’t prevent them from receiving compensation.”

I think it is plain to any with a little law knowledge, that such repairations are only valid within the lifetime of the actual victim. Descendants, especially third and forth generation descendants while they may be victims of their times, cannot realistically be said to be victims of events that did not directly cost them or their immediate family losses. This is in the Civil Law sense. As for the Criminal Law sense, I think between the hundreds of thousands of Whites who died in the Civil War, and their families who suffered due to their loss and the breakup of so many families, plus the economic depression caused by the war that led to more suffering, plus the reverse Black on White crime that has been perpetrated against Whites in an ever increasing crescendo since the Reconstruction, plus the overdone and completely destructive Affirmative Action programs and the media coddling of all things Black over the past 40 years (at least) - Whites have paid and paid and paid. The biggest mistake was ever having brought one of them to the New World and not working harder in Antebellum times to repatriate all of them. Lincoln’s very near miss decision to not send the freed slaves back to Africa was the death knell for the very Union he tried so hard to save.

The American story is really one of tragedy and bizarre human social experimentation. Its final chapter is being written today.

37 — Gayle Sollenberger wrote at 7:56 AM on June 21:
any amount of reparations is NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH. Blacks
will still scream that they were cheated.

Absolutely correct and everyone knows it, even the blacks. But as I have posted before, reparations WILL BE PAID and we taxpaying slaves will have no say at all. Iran is going about it correctly, violence is the only thing Congress/Senate will yield to except the usual bribes and race threats.

Will the black caucus be sponsoring a resolution thanking whites for ending slavery, not only in the US but worldwide including Africa?

Best answer yet to the slavery guilt trip is to ask “What race freed the slaves”?

Let’s have a new Apology Bill that reads:

“Whereas African-Americans commit violent crimes against European-Americans at 50 times the rate that European-Americans commit such crimes against African-Americans”

“Whereas African-Americans commit rape of European-Americans at 200 times the rate at which European-Americans commit rape against African-Americans”

“Whereas both the ratios above are understated because Hispanics are lumped under the classification of ‘white’ when they commit such crimes”

“Whereas European-Americans have fought a bloody Civil War to free African-Americans”

“Whereas African-Americans are infinitely better off in America than in their African homeland”

“Whereas European-Americans have spent trillions of dollars in a vain attempt to get African-Americans to be productive, instead of destructive, members of society”

“Whereas Americans in general have been consistently lied to regarding the history of crime, exploitation & abuse in the United States of America and the world at large so as to give the FALSE impression that Europeans and their descendants have been the sole practitioners of such abuse and exploitation and that non-Europeans have been the sole victims”

This august body formally APOLOGIZES to ALL EUROPEAN-AMERICANS and finds it necessary, given the horrendous nature of the CONTINUED crimes perpetrated against European-Americans by the U.S. Government and certain protected racial minorities in the United States of America, that European-Americans be given reparations in the form of large and meaningful TAX CUTS.

If anyone is to blame for reparations talk to the Japanese Americans, the Chinese for the various laws in Canada that limited their numbers who were compensated, talk to the jews who had accounts in Swiss banks stolen they were also compensated by the then West German gov’t for the deeds of the Nazis, so don’t keep blaming us for what others have been doing.

You have reparations- food stamps , welfare , affimative action and government programs that allow blacks to the front of the line all the time . I say as soon as this government bows down to pay Blacks this money will be the last day I pay federal taxes. PERIOD! I say pay the slaves if there are any left and screw the rest of these deadbeat coons. Whats next, paying the mexicans? So go ahead and pay Uncle Sam and I promise a movement will grow across this land to end taxes

If it’s any comfort, any “reparations” they get in the form of money will be worthless, as the only way Big Brother can pay them is by printing up more.

If blacks get reparations, will it be alright for companies, or different organizations to be able to place liens on their checks? I’m sure that’ll have to be addressed once the idea of reparations is okayed. I wonder just how many blacks in this country have walked away from contrctural responsibilities?
Tom Iron…

There’s your real stimulus package right there. Millions of overdue mortgages, car loans, phone bills, credit card bills, etc. will be paid-off overnight. The credit crisis will be over. Maybe this is how Obama can finally get reparations for his people - just call it a lender bailout.

””“”45 — Anonymous wrote at 3:55 PM on June 21:
Post #40 Question Diversity: Let’s give American Blacks one way passage back to Africa. They can begin to build a Nation in any Country they land in.
“”“”

They have. It’s called Liberia.

What about the history of tyhe Colonies do these people not understand. The first slaves here were whites from England and Ireland. your child could be ripped away from you and taken to the docks. If you showed up to reclaim them, you had to pay their inflated food bill to get them back.
White slaves didn’t enjoy the life of an African slave because they were free. Blacks had to be purchased and therefore were an investment. The blacks used to make fun of the whites because they had it so much better.
When they begin making reparations to white slavery, I’m getting in line.

Here is what is actually going on. Producers are being taxed to the point that they are not having children. The non producers are getting subsidized—the more kids you have the more money you become eligible for, food stamps, section eight housing etc. The producers are intelligent, and harder to rule. The descendants of the Europeans that built this country are being bred out of existence, and we aren’t allowed to talk about it.
We can’t afford to have kids because we are supporting theirs. We have a new mouth to feed at the table, TAXES!

John Conway

How about reparations for black on white crime?

Who’s apologizing? Former slave owners? Or just politiians fishing for votes?

acknowledge “the fundamental injustice, brutality and inhumanity of slavery and Jim Crow laws.”??? What do blacks in America give a damn about slavery anywhere else in the world but antebellum South circa 150+ years ago? Slavery still exists in many parts of the world, and none of it ended because of the work of blacks.

And what is so wrong with “seperate but equal?”

Tolerance is not permissiveness. Freedom is not license.

People have a place, but do not have the right to take someone else’s place.

I am sorry to say that I live in Iowa and this Harkin just keeps getting elected time after time. What is wrong with Iowans, I’m not sure but they couldn’t do enough to get Comrade Obama elected either, now they are getting exactly what they deserve from the Czar! I am 70 myself and I can tell you this Old Men don’t need to take up so much space in Washington, they need to go out to pasture and to allow the young bloods to step into office.

And what did the Congressional White Caucus have to say about this matter? Oh, that’s right — there isn’t one. That would be Racist.

World Net Daily.com had an article today,that only Democrats should pay Reparations, since their Party was formed for the promotion and defense of Slavery.

Wouldn’t it be funny if reparations payments were passed and they turned out to be part of a devious plot by businesses that cator to Blacks to make some serious cash?

Oh wait, this is real life. That scenario has likely got some executives very excited right now.

Ever wonder what happens to people who are given money they did not earn (e.g. Lottery, Inheritance, Gifts, Theft, Welfare)? The answer is the vast majority of recipients spend all of the money within a short time.

Where do they spend most of their extra money? At the same places they shop at already.

Those of us who pay the taxes that turn into reparations however, will not fare so well. We should pay careful attention to where our money is really going.

Reparations only for those Africans who repatriate themselves to their homeland.

This might come as a shock to a lot of you, but I am ALL FOR reparations. But with the following caveats:

1. That all recipiants of any sort of “slave reparations” be exempt from taxation.

2. That all recipiants of any sort of “slave reparations” renounce their US Citizenship within 6 months of receiving said “reparations”.

3. That all recipiants of any sort of “slave reparations” be given, at taxpayers expense, transportation to the country of their choice, provided that country will accept them as bonafied ‘Citizens’ and issue them an Official Passport and other sundry documents. This SHALL happen no later than 30 days after the renuniation of their US Citizenship.

4. That all recipiants of any sort of “slave reparations” agree, in writing, to never return to These United States ever again. They will be forever barred from returning to the US ever again.

5. That any recipiants currently incarcerated in the US Penal System SHALL be issued their “slave reparations”, but are required to serve out the term of their incarceration. Renunciation of their US Citizenship will be postponed until the day of their Parole. This does not affect Official Pardons from either the POTUS or the current Governors of These Unites States.

6. That all recipiants of “slave reparations” agree to renounce any and all claims to any subsequent monies allegedly due them by the Government of These United States or any entity within the borders of CONUS and its territories. IE: Social Security payments, Government retirement payments, disability payments, welfare payments, VIC checks, Section 8, etc, etc…

If anyone would like to add anything else, be my guest. If the Blacks whining about ‘reparations’ agreed to the above, I don’t see why we SHOULDN’T pay them, you know? Just THINK of all the money we would save from not having to incarcerate millions of Blacks! No more welfare payments to millions of deadbeats! What about the billions and billions of dollars in damages done by Blacks every year? All GONE! What about the hundreds of thousands of incidents of thefts, burglaries, rapes, murders, assaults, vandalism, armed robberies, false discrimination claims? Man, we’d be ROLLING in it! Plus, AA would GO AWAY! No more NAACP! Oh… the possibilities…

Pliny

QUESTION:

A lot of liberals and racist blacks, when you say, “you guys have all these black organizations, what’s wrong with us having our own” and they (the racist blacks and liberals) say, “well, you forgot the historical context and the reason why those organizations existed in the first place”, how do you counter that? I simply say, “I don’t care why they existed. As long as you continue to have your own organizations for your own race and ethinicity, you can’t complain when whites do the same.”

John Conway wrote: “Here is what is actually going on. Producers are being taxed to the point that they are not having children. The non producers are getting subsidized—the more kids you have the more money you become eligible for, food stamps, section eight housing etc. The producers are intelligent, and harder to rule. The descendants of the Europeans that built this country are being bred out of existence, and we aren’t allowed to talk about it. We can’t afford to have kids because we are supporting theirs. We have a new mouth to feed at the table, TAXES!”
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That’s true in my case. I’m a lawyer, and my brother is a lawyer. I have no children, and he has one child. Neither of us believe that we can truely afford more children. I for one won’t create any little taxpayers to be financially abused. I just won’t do it.

I think that the Senate issuing constant apologies for slavery is nothing more than a different side of the same coin that calls for reparations. It is the mindset of both groups we are talking about here. It’s clearly similar. When exactly, will the American taxpaying public be consultated about this? As so many posters have pointed out 50plus years of welfare,is called what, if not reparations??

It shows how little these people care about America by demanding this stuff when the US is on the crux of financial ruin. It’s them first, and if America happens to survive economcially, that’s merely happenstance.

The country is going to Hell in a handbasket and these one hundred idiots have nothing better to do ?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/06/05/2009-06-05_evil_teen_who_tossed_cat_in_the_oven.html

How is it that none of these posters (or anyone commenting on this debate for that matter) acknowledge the well-documented FACT that of the approximately 12 million africons shipped from the Dark Continent to the New World during the 400 some-odd years of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, ONLY 5.6% WOUND UP IN THE UNITED STATES?! This means fewer than .5M were “enslaved” (read: “saved”) from their native Africa upon their forced arrival (read: salvation) into the USA.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF BLACK AFRICANS WERE SHIPPED TO BRAZIL DURING THE TRANS-ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE.

THE TRUTH IS THAT THE UNITED STATES PLAYED A TINY, TEENY-WEENIE ROLE IN THE OVERALL TRANS-ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE.

I have posted this astonishing figure (5.6%) before on this forum, and was amazed to see for myself that this small figure is clearly posted for all to see at the Ellis Island Immigration Museum, which I visited recently as part of a show I produced for French Public Television that focused on the Life and Work of the great Gustave Eiffel, a show that aired in France (Channel 3) on April 29th last.

My crew and I were actually given super-exclusive access to the interior of the Statue of Liberty for the Gustave Eiffel special for the program in question. Ken Salazar’s office gave our crew super special permission to film inside of Bartholdi’s monumental sculpture (supported by Eiffel’s genius lightweight, flexible ironwork) on March 19th last. This was, after all, a show for French public television. And the SOL WAS given to us by the French government.

How is it that Brazil - which was responsible for importing upwards of 80% of all those poor africon slaves - is not up in arms over their own gigantic role in the terrible transAtlantic slave trade?

White people in the US need to grow a pair and put a STOP to this type of hysterical historical revisionism nonsense. These figures are easy for anyone anywhere in the world with a computer and half a brain to confirm by the simplest cross-referencing online research.

We in the United States played a TINY role in the whole slave trade thing; we (and the Brits) were the first to step up and put a stop to it; we lost MORE WHITE MEN IN THE CIVIL WAR FIGHTING EACH OTHER TO END THE SLAVE TRADE, than THE TOTAL NUMBER OF AFRICONS THAT WERE SHIPPED HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

For God’s Sakes! When will the nonsense stop? Anybody?

The truth of these matters is of no consequence, and remember, the protesting in public of a government program is now the equivalent of treason.

As a man of proud European ancestry, I’d just like to say that I am very, truly sorry that African slaves ever set foot on this continent, and I’d like to have my taxes forthwith apportioned for the express purpose of repatriating the descendants of these unfortunate individuals to their beloved homeland, at last.

sbuffalonative (#2) writes:
…it would amount to a stimulus package. Blacks would quickly spend the money and it would be back in circulation.

concernicus (#32) writes:
We will be given every penny back, rather quickly, when they spend it on stuff they can’t live without, like lotto tickets, big screen tv’s, and mouth jewelry.

To both of you: watch your economics. The people (meaning, us) whom the money is taken (taxed) from would also have been spending it, presumably on items of less trashiness: the bicycle maker gains what the gold-tooth-capper loses. The difference is that we, typically, don’t have 100% propensity to consume. We’d have to compare {(value to society from our saved portion being available for investment) - (value lost from that portion not being directly traded for goods/services by us)} with {minus (cost of overhead of the reparations program)}, assuming the reparations recipients do have 100% propensity to consume. This ignores any long-term social cost-benefit comparison of “trashy” vs. “nice” consumption, i.e., what sectors of the economy the spending takes place in.

The economics is actually a bit more complex than this, but it’s probably OK for a first-order approximation.

As for who “deserves” reparations: hey, I should write to Dmitriy Medvedev for some. My ancestors were slaves. Only, they were called serfs. In another part of my family, the Hungarian noblemen treated my ancestors like worms. So, maybe everyone named Eszterhazy, Orczy or Banffy should hand me a little dough.