White Pride Is Uncool

oops. It was Steve Sailer who wrote this. My mistake.

We need a writers contest with the subject being titled:
It is an Honor and Privilege to be White because:

I will put up $1000.

Taki Theodoracopulous is being rather pompous here. Are we only allowed to be against AA because it affect firefighters? Are we supposed to kick so-called “marginal whites” to the curb? The hard fact of the matter is that “marginal whites” are probably brighter than 90% of blacks. And I would take a “marginal white” before a marginal black. The marginal white is our people, the marginal black is not.

TT is not a WN, and isn’t much of a RR. I would classify him as an aracial paleocon. Why PJB just had to have him as editor of TAC is beyond me. Then again, there’s the whole PJB and Ezola Foster fiasco, and PJB is more aracial paleocon than WN.

“Similarly, affirmative action, by definition, doesn’t impact those who made the cut. Consider Harvard students. While some freshmen may enter Harvard sore that affirmative action might have cost high school friends admission to Harvard, soon they have lots of swell new friends, who, unsurprisingly, are all Harvard students, unlike those losers they used to hang around with in high school who didn’t have what it takes to get into Harvard.”

As is typical of Mr. Sailer, he assumes that every white person in the country is just like him, merely scratching at elitism and wishing for better. In undergrad, I went to the University of Michigan; I had no problem getting in there, but I did have high school friends who didn’t and should have been there except for affirmative action. You see, about 15% to 20% of my incoming “classmates” were nonwhites, that simply could barely form normal verbal utterances, let alone coherent written exercises requiring standard sentences and paragraphs.

Oh, of course, when their sub-mediocre work saw them with a generously granted C, they bellowed about “racism” and “discrimination” to any who cared to listen, and also to many (including myself) who didn’t. But that only solidified my contempt for them, not the white people who they had clearly cheated out of a rightful place in that university, including some of my friends from high school. This was because those whites (be they known to me or not,) would have at least put up a studiously dogged struggle to get a B the next time, and not hooted and chirped like feral baboons deprived of a cantaloupe they didn’t get, but felt entitled to for simply breathing and defecating regularly.

That is the point Mr. Sailer consistently misses, when he is discussing the racial spoils system-USA; for every glibly unconcerned white like him, there are probably at a minimum 5 to 10 who harbor the angst and anger that I do about the travesty of forced multicultural “equality.”

As always, God help us all!!!

Finally, the notion of white solidarity or white pride runs into the fundamental problem that whites mostly compete with each other for the best jobs.

I heartily agree! Not only that: White competitiveness is quite evident in white nationalism too. Whereas the average “diversity”-indoctrinated white person actively competes with his fellow whites in unctuous professions of officious commitment to non-discrimination, anti-racism, etc. (and we’ve all observed this in our daily lives), the white nationalists play the “more racialist than thou” game, trying to outdo one another in professed commitment to the preservation of the white race, which many of them define in ever narrower and more exclusive terms. It is no wonder that to many whites who might otherwise be interested in WN, “white pride” seems dour, unwelcoming and “uncool.”

I want the most qualified person saving me from a burning building or operating on me or whatever. If that person is black, fine but if none are, also fine. ONLY qualifications should matter.

But what does this say about the morals and ethical principles of the legal profession?

They tout something called “the rule of law” but don’t apply it in this case.

Legislators in Congress take an oath to uphold “the Constitution and laws of the United States.” That means the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the 14th Amendment, which guarantees to all citizens “the equal protection of the law.” Hubert Humphrey who shepherded the Civil Rights Act through Congress said if there were anything in the law that allowed discrimination against whites he would eat it page by page. If he were alive today, he’d have indigestion.

But every time I’ve brought this matter to their attention, all I get is silence and avoidance. And contempt.

Steve Sailer:enough of the silly policy wonkishness. Enough of the social science jargon(game theory). White Nationalism is now the only game in town. It is the only political movement that can stop the race replacement of Native Born White Americans.
Native Born White Americans will either politically organize around race or face complete racial and economic dispossession at thehands of post-1965 hispanics,asians,muslims and africans.

“Marginal” White Males should be encouraged to politically organize race. It is one minute before for Native Born White Americans within the borders of America.

Moreover, announcing that you are a victim of affirmative action is to admit you are marginal, that you would have only barely made the cut anyway. How uncool is that?

Because we all know that “cool” and “uncool” are writ in stone, unchangeable for all time. And the media (and the elite discussed below) have no influence on, or interest in, what falls into which category. So “cool” and “uncool” are valid, objective, relevant categories in this context.

Similarly, affirmative action, by definition, doesn’t impact those who made the cut. Consider Harvard students. While some freshmen may enter Harvard sore that affirmative action might have cost high school friends admission to Harvard, soon they have lots of swell new friends, who, unsurprisingly, are all Harvard students, unlike those losers they used to hang around with in high school who didn’t have what it takes to get into Harvard.

Which explains why blacks don’t get bent out of shape about these things, either.

Steve’s my favorite blogger, but his babe in the woods routine vis-a-vis Leviathan (AKA the First Estate, AKA the media) is so old it’s wearing sans-a-belt pants.

Sailer can be very superficial. By the way, Jenniger Gratz didn’t hink it was uncool to sue over being denied a seat at the U Michigan law school. Remeber the second of the two Phil Donahue shows Jared Taylor appeared on. Remember the 40 year old White engineer who complained bitterly about being passed over for promotion. The promotion went to a 25 year old off the boat hindu LEGAL immigrant. Go read the transcript of the second show that Jared appeared on. Was this guy being uncool Steve?

Steve Sailer:”marginal” Native Born White American Males should be encouraged to revolt against thier race replacement at the hands of post-1965 hispanics,muslims,africans …and asians-the LEGAL immigrant group that you are very fond of.

Sailor makes a very good point that the higher one goes up the pole (the more one would be able to do something about it), the less reasons one has to be disgruntled, or even notice what’s going on at all. Also they have to lose if they were to notice, it’s not cool being pro-white. ‘Minorities’, however, have their own reasons for not noticing and maintaining silence. They also maintain sympathy with, at all times, and act for the benefit of their fellow proletariat they may not even know. They understand them, sure, the lowest are now the cultural leaders, but they do not always know them. They maintain absolute solidarity with those gleefully tormenting and discriminating against whites at any opportunity. For that matter, so do most ‘right-thinking’ whites.

“It’s worth exploring some of the more subtle game theory reasons why there is so little public outcry against discrimination against white males other than fire fighters.”

No exploration necessary. To begin with, do not confuse, inadvertently or otherwise, the public with MSM. It has been proven time and time again that the MSM does not speak for the majority of Americans. But what the media have done, and still do, is use the communist tactic of “create the illusion of popular support”, or in other words, lie. This tactic was used to the extreme back in the ‘60’s “snivel rights” movement, as a means of shutting down or attacking opposition to the movement, and intimidating those who otherwise may have expressed opposition. Because much of the public were not aware of any opposition, they assumed most went along.

The “reasons [or reason] why there is so little public outcry against discrimination against white males other than fire fighters” is, up until the Internet blossomed, the MSM and their embedded elite, held most all the cards when it came to what was covered in media news. If the elite didn’t approve it, it got no exposure.

As for the elite, they have NO concern for minorities, other than to USE them for political mileage. Transcripts of some of Hillary Clinton’s rampages against minorities have been quite revealing, and interesting.

I think a lot of you are misreading this. Sailer
isn’t writing about what should be but just
explaining the way things are (in a somewhat
flippant fashion). I seriously doubt he’s
indifferent to the plight of marginal white males.

“I want the most qualified person saving me from a burning building or operating on me or whatever. If that person is black, fine but if none are, also fine. ONLY qualifications should matter.”

I agree. this Affirmative Action nonsense is a step backward for our society and for race relations. By lowering standards for Blacks, society is constantly telling them that they are inferior to other races and reinforces the idea that they cannot compete on a level playing field. Therefore, should be judge on a much easier scale.

Regardless of what side of the fence you are on, I just don’t see how you can support this kind of policy.

The Steve Sailer crowd has a lot of very smart folks, but they have an unrealistic worldview that ignores any whites who don’t fall in the top segment of the IQ/socioeconomic bell curve. When they say people who “don’t make the cut,” they are dismissing the majority of whites.

The Sailer crowd would prefer to have a black and brown servant caste to gripe about and feel separate from, because it would save them the horror of fitting in among organic society with a healthy and respected white working class. That hurdle aside, Sailerites are a smart and turned on bunch and they see past some important aspects of knee jerk pseudo-conservativism.

Missing the point! What this fool is missing is that White pride and some sense of White solidarity acted on is necessary for White survival. It is not about what, say, black solidarity is about: affirmative action and special legal protections - which is what this fool is comparing it to - it is about stopping all the pandering to other races by our sell-out politicians (including sellouts like W. Bush, McCain, Lindsey Graham etc…)that for decades has been bringing on a population replacement from Mexico, the Muslim mid-East & other third world.

White pride is very cool because it is about something very different than all the other racial prides. It is about affirming what really deserves to be affirmed, that Whites have made the West and its civilizations, even with its faults, the best of civilizations (which it why it attracts so much immigration) and that Whites are absolutely necessary to keep it that way.

Why so little public outcry?

Argumentum ad Baculum. The people with the gold and the muscle make the rules. Shut up unless you want to get hurt. This says very little for the manly virtue and integrity of white men.

Someone suggested to Wm. F. Buckley many years ago that the solution to the problem of racial preferences would be a law utlawing racial discrimination. But we already had one in the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Buckley replied that the law would have to read “racial discrimination is against the law AND THIS TIME WE REALLY MEAN IT.’

Sandra Day O’Connor said in effect that the Supreme Court will let us know when flouting the law won’t be necessary any longer.

White people are in the position of Peter Keating, the self-less, other-directed character in Ayn Rand’s The Fountainhead, who asked with bewilderment what he should do when a rival for his wife proposed that Keating sell her to him. “What should you do? You should have slapped my facr and challenged me to a duel five minutes ago.”

James Burnham and Lawrence Brown wrote, respectively, Suicide of the West and The Might of the West. Both noted that in 1914 a map of the world showed complete white dominance of the earth. Both books were written nearly half a century ago. Since that time not only has white dominance retreated from the world and other nations, now, today, even in once white countries white men are on the run.

When I complained on the front page of the Washington Times about racial discrimination against whites at the Social Security Administration I was suspended by one black supervisor, fired by another, and escorted from the building by an armed black policeman. Before the hearing to which I was entitled under Civil Service rules a notice was sent to me saying that as a white male I was not allowed to appeal on the grounds of racial discrimination because only “protected groups” could do that. At the hearing the Judge refused to define “protected group.”

What are you gonna do, white folks?

Unfortunately, one cannot know which blacks are qualified, and which are unqualified. Sailer discusses the career of Michelle Obama, and correctly points out that since she was unqualified for Princeton and Harvard Law, and was admitted only as an affirmative action quota, she felt intimidated and poorly prepared. Yet she was promoted each year to the next level for which she was unqualified and unprepared, and upon graduation she was unable to effectively practice law, and gave up her law license to accept a more lucrative affirmative action job. Yet now, she is hailed as a mentor to young blacks, and one of the most prominent and effective people in America. The author could easily have chosen Barack Obama instead of his wife as the example of failed affirmative action programs, but perhaps his sensitivities forbade him doing so. We will eventually see that Barack is just as unprepared and unqualified as Michelle, but we will have to wait until the adoring mass media wakes up to his incompetence.

At any rate, to those Whites who say they will accept qualified blacks to save them from a burning building or operate on them, it should be pointed out that there is no way to know before the fact that a particular black is qualified. If you are recommended to have a surgery and the surgeon is black, you cannot know in advance just how qualified he or she may be. Sure, you can look at their medical school, residency training program, state licensure and even their surgical board certification, but each of these steps designed to qualify only the best and weed out the rest are impacted by the government- and culturally-enforced affirmative action programs. So, a black from Harvard Medical School, trained at the Harvard Hospital, licensed in New York, and certified by the American College of Surgery would seem to be well qualified, and you as a patient may be comfortable with him or her operating on you, but affirmative action has, at each step in the process, fudged a little to allow the barely qualified to move up the ladder. If you are one of the lucky ones who have a good operative outcome, you may feel that your surgeon was indeed qualified, and pass him along by word of mouth to the next patient. But if you do not survive, or have a very poor result, it is too late for you to complain that he or she is unqualified because he was an affirmative action surgeon.

The careful patient should still search out the educational experience and qualifications of White surgeons, since the certifying organizations obviously do not apply affirmative action criteria to White surgeons, and the prospective patient can be more assured of accuracy of White surgeons’ qualifications.

I suspect that even a liberal, affirmative action loving left winger would rather not have Michelle Obama represent them as an attorney, despite her current public idolatry.

The point is that you cannot know which blacks are qualified simply because affirmative action prevents the weeding out of the unqualified. Therefore the only responsible action for Whites is to avoid all blacks in all professional situations. One should very carefully consider whether they wish to have a black attorney, physician, financial advisor, money manager, or nurse in a position of providing potentially life changing professional services to themselves or family members. For inconsequential things, such as screenwriting, popular music, acting, sports, jazz music you are in a much less dangerous position to accept affirmative action blacks, if you must, since in these situations, they can only take your money that you willingly give them, but they cannot have a more lasting consequence on your life.

Our willingness to slaughter our fellow white man in two world wars has gone a long way in reducing our self respect, has it not? I mean, if we were willing to fire bomb thousand year old European cities full of cultural artifacts, why would we be averse to committing genetic suicide sixty years later? Better not confront the “greatest generation” with that one.

There is so much to potentially comment on in this article. But one item that stood out to me is all these White Hollywood scrpt writers. These are the people responsible for the minority heavy movies and especially tv shows that have been assailing us at a growing rate for years. These are the writers constantly paring up White females with Black males or other non-White males so as to be read as an attempt to shape society.

Steve Sailer may have inadventently identified the location and individuals that are making such an impact on our society. I am willing to bet anything you like that the majority are not only White, but from middle class “Christian” homes. A good strategy might be to figure out how to make race realists of these nerdy cartoon scripters.

Another notable point is one that I have written about often in posts, the latest time just yesterday. Whites aren’t unified because as the majority we compete with one another. And we cannot shake of this sense of “I’ve got mine, you can go **** yourself.” Yesterday I tried to identify it as a sort of 19th century mindset with origins in antebellum American social and political resentments combined with the rush to claim everything from gold to open land. This article further illustrated that idea and helps highlight the idea that Whites will have to become “other White supporting” in a White Socialist sense. As I wrote yesterday, I would be glad to help a young White couple succeed, especially if they are committed to passing on their own racial heritage with pride. This can only be done when all Whites in a given region see the need and strength given everyone in doing this.

I often have mentioned the social system of Slovenia and the high sense of nationalism there. Today I have a report from my good friend there who replied to my innquiry to say that Slovenia is still a nice place, not overrun with Muslims and Black Africans, etc. Slovenia is a sort of Slavic Switzerland, but because it was once part of Yugoslavia it sort of frooze its mindset and still exists without very much of the damaging liberalism that has hurt Western Europe so much. The one flaw I see is that they are a bit like a bunch of political leftist living in a gated community; They hold multicultural ideals, but do not practice them. So far, they are succeeding in thinking of themselves as a progressive society without seeing their hypocracy.

But I wish that we could learn something from the Slovenian example.

For Steve Sailer a score on a IQ tests represents some kind of unified theory of human kind.In Sailer’s mind, everything is filtered through the score on an IQ tests.

I blieve that Sailer and his readers have a lot of contempt for those Native Born White Americans who are not part of the “cognitive elite”-whatever the hell this means beyond a score on an IQ test.

You can get a very good idea of what Sailer believes by what he leaves out in his blogs an essays. There is never any mention of the H-1 and L-1 B visa programs. Why is this? I think he does write about this because for him the natural order and constition of a of a society is determined by a scsore on an IQ tests. “Marginal” White Males and the Native Born White victims of the H-1 b and L-1 B programs aren’t very important classes of people for Sailer. Or,to put it another way, Sailer does not have a strong sense of racial solidarity with his fellow White Americans.

The key to understading Steve Sailer’s aracialism is:1)he has a strong devotion to a top down corporate controlled society and belief that IQ scores are crucial to the efficient slotting of people within a brutal corporate controlled societe. There is no another way to organize a human society. I of course reject this. Everyone else here should also.

I beleive this explains The warm spot in Sailer’s heart for post-1965 asians. The fact that they have greatly harmed thousands of “marginal” Native Born White familes means nothing to Sailer. This is the ket to understanding Sailer’s silly notion of citizenship.

John PM, Steve is talking about the elite, those at the highest levels of power in the media, law, politics, academia and business. Among such people, concern about whites who are racially discriminated against is zero. CEO’s, writers for The Atlantic, Hollywood producers, Governors etc., simply don’t care about it.

Steve is not endorsing this at all. He is opposed to affirmative action. He is merely explaining why there is no concern from elite whites about other whites who are discriminated against.

It’s also interesting to note how affirmative action has been completely ignored by the GOP and mainstream conservative movement as of late. None of the current conservative movements main constituents — Big Business, Neoconservatives and the Religious Right — really care much about this issue. As recently as the mid 90’s, it was a major issue for conservatives.

The only way to reverse or halt the damage that’s been done to our society from the race revolution of the 1960s into the present is to get more Western elites to value their own civilization.
Most people with elite Ivy League educations selfishly limit their sympathies only to their own kind. Carleton Putnam (Princeton graduate) and Jared Taylor (Yale graduate) are the only Americans with elite educations that have had the soul, insight and sense of responsibility to expand their sympathies to the plight of the majority.

Any advancement in protecting the West will have to be a top down effort. I don’t have much faith in populists movements because the elites, with their control of media and public opinion, (not to mention corrupt law enforcement), can quash any such movements with ease. A real movement takes quality leadership.

Thank you “Kulaks…” Not only for the suggestion, but for your name! I looked it up, and wow! didn’t know that.

“The point is that you cannot know which blacks are qualified simply because affirmative action prevents the weeding out of the unqualified.”
(Anon. 12:17 pm)

Excellent point! Your reply was very well-written.

I would hope that if ever I needed surgery or to be rescued from a burning building, it would be one of my own kind who did so… I don’t care if the whole world knows it or not: When I need a new dentist, eye dr., or whatever, I do a little research to see if he’s white, and have done for years. I’d bet a lot of people do! Maybe only subconsciously, but still, I’d bet they do!

Xenophon above makes a very good point, but I would go one step further: The critical mass of the White Intelligentsia was killed off during those fratricidal/suicidal wars known as WWI & WWII.

After those meat grinders perhaps the White Man and his culture don’t deserve to survive? It is certainly my belief that unless and until the lies propagated about about those conflicts, nothing will change because the ‘powers that be’ continue to hide behind that curtain of lies, and continue to use them as a sales tool to sell their policies of endless wars to the tax payer.

H.F. Wolff

The Sailer site has the persistent feel of a bunch of intelligent, mild mannered guys exchanging un-PC notes at the water cooler and self consciously tittering over their own naughtiness. “Did you see this chart? It shows blacks have lower IQs than whites.” Then the Asian buddy from three cubicles down walks over, and the white group says, “Psst, guess what Asians are smarter than blacks too. Get a look at this and don’t tell Shaniquia in Accounting! Tee, hee.”

There is a sense of physical security and frivolity to their banter. They are token rebels against their own Flower Child generation, who grew up in orderly and secure conditions of widespread prosperity where experimenting with sex and drugs was about as “risky” as life got. They can’t imagine any other world.

Sailerites are very different from the Korean War era generation whose parents had a living memory of poverty and hunger and violence. Men like Clint Eastwood’s character in “Gran Torino,” who know what men look like with body parts missing understand the world differently than their pampered Vietnam protester children or even more self absorbed and clueless grandchildren.

I think some of the Sailerites have a feeling that their safe, familiar water cooler is standing at the edge of a precipice, and they refuse to look down. Southern California is a dangerous place to be a white person these days, and it will get much worse the instant Schwartzenegger makes good on his proposal to cut welfare entitlements to the brown majority. The economy is worse than what the talking heads are presenting to us.

God help us all, every color, because we fools might need guidance from our Creator sooner than we think.

Joe

I hope you are right in what you wrote about Sailer. It sure wasn’t obvious to me. Sailer tries to very clever and tendy in his writing. But in doing so,simple and obvious points get lost.

“None of the current conservative movements main constituents — Big Business, Neoconservatives and the Religious Right — really care much about this issue. As recently as the mid 90’s, it was a major issue for conservatives.”

Big business is just ahead of government and second only to Academia in their promotion of affirmative action. Their official policy and their mission statements are all-go for AA. Obviously it’s just another lie. The diversity managers they have to hire cost real money - even if a ‘diverse’ workforce actually does better work, which doesn’t seem to be the case, as where there is the most diversity, ie, all black, all hispanic, all female, there is not always the most production.

“When I complained on the front page of the Washington Times about racial discrimination against whites at the Social Security Administration I was suspended by one black supervisor, fired by another, and escorted from the building by an armed black policeman.”

What does this have to do with Ayn Rand, William Buckley and James Burnham? Ok, William Buckley, I get, a little. But I’d be more interested in hearing your story. Speak up for yourself, man.

That is the point Mr. Sailer consistently misses, when he is discussing the racial spoils system-USA; for every glibly unconcerned white like him, there are probably at a minimum 5 to 10 who harbor the angst and anger that I do about the travesty of forced multicultural “equality.”

Posted by John PM at 6:51 PM on May 21

“glibbly unconcerned white”

Bullseye!

That is the perfect description of Sailer’s basic attitude.
He is one of my favorites at VDARE; but that side of him has always bothered me, alot, and with good reason.

It’s as if he has an empathy chip missing.

Oh well, I guess no one’s perfect. But that is a helluva defect to have toward people like that, during a time like this.

The hard fact of the matter is that “marginal whites” are probably brighter than 90% of blacks. And I would take a “marginal white” before a marginal black. The marginal white is our people, the marginal black is not.

The hard fact of the matter is that marginal whites will produce smarter children than elite blacks or mestizos (regression to the mean). I hope this meme becomes fixed in the race-realist population (at least) soon.

The hard fact is, marginal whites will produce children WHOSE INTERESTS ARE ALIGNED WITH the children of elite whites, something non-whites of any caliber cannot do.

Elite whites are bound by the culture of critique (Sailer has stated he thinks that culture is hunkey-dorey); this means that if elite whites want to stay that way, they don’t rock the boat. So, I guess we’re discussing sub-elites now, rather than real elites, no?

For inconsequential things, such as screenwriting, popular music, acting, sports, jazz music you are in a much less dangerous position to accept affirmative action blacks, if you must, since in these situations, they can only take your money that you willingly give them, but they cannot have a more lasting consequence on your life.

Yep, widespread worship of blacks cannot have lasting consequences on your life. Would you like fries with your mulatto grandson?

The only way to reverse or halt the damage that’s been done to our society from the race revolution of the 1960s into the present is to get more Western elites to value their own civilization.
Most people with elite Ivy League educations selfishly limit their sympathies only to their own kind. Carleton Putnam (Princeton graduate) and Jared Taylor (Yale graduate) are the only Americans with elite educations that have had the soul, insight and sense of responsibility to expand their sympathies to the plight of the majority.

Any advancement in protecting the West will have to be a top down effort. I don’t have much faith in populists movements because the elites, with their control of media and public opinion, (not to mention corrupt law enforcement), can quash any such movements with ease. A real movement takes quality leadership.

I disagree. I think an elite will NEVER stick up for a populace that won’t stick up for itself. People are primarily self-serving. If those harmed by a policy won’t oppose it, no one will, especially not those served by it. Think of it as leaders and followers; each needs the other. Right now, the leaders are getting what they want, and the followers aren’t. Time for an accounting and subsequent negotiations, I think.

These things are organic. If enough followers show up, leaders will “magically” show up to lead them. But I don’t like the odds of leaders showing up without any followers to lead. The great thing about this is that leaders are whores. They’d get over their distaste for any given political position in about a nanosecond if you make the gravy rich enough.

So, for the umpteenth time, the circle is complete and we’re again looking at who controls our social nervous system (AKA the media, AKA the first estate, AKA the most powerful industry in the world, bar none).

And yes, Sailer’s strategy is to point out facts and do as little drawing of conclusions as possible. It’s a wise policy, designed to protect himself and disarm the haters to the extent possible.

This is not to say I know what he’s “REALLY” thinking. Better ask leftists about that, their powers of telepathy are extraordinary, as they always seem to know what I’m “REALLY” thinking, to the extent that I often have to ask a leftist if I want to know what I’m “REALLY” thinking.

John PM, Steve is talking about the elite, those at the highest levels of power in the media, law, politics, academia and business. Among such people, concern about whites who are racially discriminated against is zero. CEO’s, writers for The Atlantic, Hollywood producers, Governors etc., simply don’t care about it.

But they do care about discrimination against blacks, right? Regardless, they actually DO THINGS TO HELP BLACKS. So, an utter lack of shared experience IS NOT an obstacle in all cases.

Right? I wonder why. OH YEAH, we’re talking about the media AGAIN, aren’t we? Gee, how’d that happen? All roads lead to the media, that’s how.

Tough for an organism to react to a threat that has taken control of its nervous system.

Among the many excellent posts on this article, I have to agree with Xenophone’s short summation, that is actually a small part of John PM’s point, as well as Dedalus’s. The insane butchery between whites, involved in the two world wars, as well as the American Civil War, was beyond a catastrophe. The after effects are still with us. Xenophone states that the greatest generation had best not be confronted with this. Interestingly enough, I have talked to many of that generation, and with the passage of time and the events that have occured, some have actually taken a broader view of their experience. Sadly tho, there are those who went to their graves, never having realized the ultimate impact and meaning of it all, where their own kind was concerned. It is as if the history of white peoples, compared to other races, has been a gigantic struggle between Titans who vied for power among themselves, others being totally irrelevant to their many wars.

I’ll start off by stating I’m Jewish to diffuse any potential problems that might arise from my post. I’m sure most people are aware of how disingenuous this article is in many respects. I work for one of the Hollywood studios and the part of this article I have a pet peeve with is the author mentioning screenwriters and inferring that Hollywood discriminates against blacks. Considering the low numbers of blacks who actually submit work, you’d be surprised that there are as many black screenwriters as there are, especially in TV. I also have to state that the studios do favor my fellow Jews first and foremost over everyone. Call me a self hater, but it’s a fact. The guys who have the toughest time in screenwriting are white males. I hate to admit that many Jewish executives will pass up hiring very good, extremely talented white guys if they can hire a Jewish guy instead. If the Jewish guy is mediocre, he’ll be helped along as much as possible. A lot of the non-Jewish white writers here in Hollywood are guys who became friends with Jews while attending Ivy League schools. No, there’s no anti-white or anti-American conspiracy at the studio where I’m employed. It has more to do with the ridiculous liberal attitudes and basically communist beliefs driven into the brains of so many of my fellow Jews while growing up. Their parents and grandparents here in the US still sometimes act as if they’re in 19th century shtetles. Believe me, a lot of “us” know what’s going on and we’re as irritated over it as other whites are. White Pride should be “cool” and whites should be valued for the achievements they’ve accomplished that have benefitted all of mankind. This bogeyman thinking against whites has to stop.

I have had more than my fill of Affirmative Action, with its direct impact on me, and other good friends.

As an example, I had taken a Civil Service exam, and scored 95% on the written test. I placed first on the list. I then had to report for a full medical exam,which I had passed with no problem. Then I had to undergo a Psyhcological exam. Again, I had passed that without a problem.

Later that month, after having an Interview, and being “Offered” the job, I was waiting to receive my appointment letter and start date in the mail. It never came, so I decided to call the Civil Service Commission. The woman that I spoke to stated that there was a “Hiring Freeze” for the position I was hired for.

Well, I have a friend whose wife worked in the Civil Service Commission, and she told me that a Black was hired in my place, even though there was a “Hiring Freeze” on at the time.

Sure, there was a Freeze. They were freezing the most qualified Candidate out of the chance to obtain gainful employment, with respect to my credentials, background, and test scores.

This, of course,is not the first time that this has happened to me, or to other White males, either in Civil Service, Union Jobs, or in Corporate positions.

Of course, if you wanted to hire an Attorney that specialized in Civil Service law, the filing, and his fees, at the begining, would be $5,000.00. Who has that kind of money to lay out, on something that could go either way? So, I walked away from it.

The Cities deserve to put Blacks in all the top spots, whether they be in the Fire Department, Police, Corrections, or Sanitation. If anyone thinks that Cities are unlivable now, wait until the Coloreds get all the top jobs. They will run the Cities further into the ground, that they will resemble Zimbabwe, or Haiti.

Almost by definition whites at the top have avoided affirmative action cuts. They may not have a lot of personal experience with it on the other end.. Also, the work environment could be expected to be better for high achievers too. You can’t expect a lot of sensitivity from them, even during ‘sensitivity’ training week.

“No, there’s no anti-white or anti-American conspiracy at the studio where I’m employed.”

It’s even worse sometimes, isn’t it, when it’s not like an officially mandated policy yet the outcome is the same if not even more so. Of course those are the places that don’t actually have ‘sensitivity’ programing.

The Russian goverment and the other Eurpean goverments fell because of at loss of support at the bottom. People in these contries simply stopped obeying. When a critcal number of Native Born White Born Americans start thinking about things differently tings the game will be over.

Catastrophic events will be an inducement to think about things differently.

What Steve Sailer is doing in this article is engaging in a bit of self-satisfaction. Like the kind of “I’ve got mine, nuts to you.” mentality that we saw a lot of in the 80’s. That never went away in fact, it just was replaced by other culture fads that took the spotlight. But it’s never left the stage, so to speak.

Of course, it’s worth point out that Self-Satisfaction, that brutal middle-class indulgence, is above all else, the number one reason we are in the position we’re in today. I wonder if he’s ever thought about that. Perhaps he has. One time in particular Sailer dismissed a genuine and legitimate concern from a person in the Letters section at VDARE with a rudeness and arrogance that was shockingly stupid, given our situation. Since no one is perfect, and Steve isn’t stupid, I chalked it up to appallingly bad manners. A lack of social deftness, something he shares with Brenda Walker.

Lots of posts here have hit the nail on the head with Sailer, and, indirectly, not just him.
The combination of snottiness and indifference is one of the the reasons why – important as these websites are – they, unfortunately, amount to what I refer to as the “Look What They Are Doing To Us Now!” websites.
High on Diagnonsis, most of it brilliant, and Low on Solutions.
This is a big - BIG - problem and I think the reason is few if any have given consideration as to what our Society would look like and how we would live together should we, by some miracle, ever win our Country back.

As Patrick Cleburne, of VDARE, said recently, “We need everyone.”

In any event, that Would be an interesting thing to write about on these sites. Something like,
“So Exactly What Kind Of Country Do You Want Anyway?” Or, What’s Your Vision Of A Future Worth Living In?”
I think it would do much to inspire Individuals and energize Group activity.

To concerned Jewish Guy: I agree with you. I’m part Jewish, but I loathe white guilt, loathe seeing the west being taken over by non-whites who are hostile to us and our way of life. If it’s racist for non-jewish white males to look out for their own, then jewish people (like Tim Wise, for example) should be fair and not exclude themselves from other groups.

Let me rephrase it this why:The Republican and Democratic beltway consensus requires the consent of a critical number of Native Born White Americans. Without this consent it would crumble. To be even more specific:a critical number of Native Born White Americans continue to vote Republican. Without this support, the corpes of the Republican party would finally be thrown into the town dump with the rest of the rotting garbage. When this happens, events will move ahead very fast. Peter Brimelow is foolish-and anybody else- to attempt. to revive the Republican party.

The revolt against race-replacement at the hands of post-1965 asians,hispanics,muslims and africans has to be uncompromising and complete. Nothing short of reversing the situation to where it was before the passage of the 1965 immigration refrom act should be acceptable. We are moving into very very dangerous territory very rapidly.

If the ecological conciousness of a critical number of Native Born White Americans was much higher, the White racial conciousness would be much higher..right into the red zone. Running away and secession will not solve the problem.Ultimately the US population will explode way above a billion..mostly non-white and there will be a population collapse within the nation formely known as America.. a combination of exponentially growth in the non-white areas and and an increase in the White fertility in the White areas makes this inevitable with 100 percent certainty.

Oh, I almost forgot.

Posted by Concerned Jewish Guy at 10:26 PM on May 23

Great Post!!!!

I know alot of people on both sides disagree with me; but, Whites - those who identify as Jewish, Or European-American, Christian, Gentile, etc. - need each other and should work together, even putting some issues on pause until we have a society we want to live in and discuss them in a civil manner.
We ought to work together and I was encouraged by the Western Civilization meeting in Baltimore held not so long ago.

Our common ground meets at a number of points - but the only one we really need now is Freedom of Speech.

We need to hire professional public relations people to teach us the right words and approach. The multi-cultis know how to use language to put us on the defensive, we have to do it against them.

The multi-cultis like to tell us that in 40 years time, the country will be 50% non white. They do this to make us feel like it is inevitable and that it is useless to resist. We need to put the question back to them - after 40 years then what? Will they stop immigration from predominately nonwhite countries then? Of course they won’t and by that time the nonwhite groups will be so politically powerful that there will be no stopping them from contining flood country with their relatives. So after 40 years time, the white population will shrink to 45%, then 40%, then 30% etc. Ask the multi-cultis about this and see what they say. They will of course lie, fudge and use evasive tactics. This is when we can pin them down. Ask them what THEY think the ethnic balance should be. This would put them on the spot, which is what they always try to do to us.

Other things that we can do: we can complain about the large numbers of immigrants that are coming into the country. We can make this a jobs issue. This can have an effect on Democrats because they always talk about protecting jobs. If you live in a Democrat area, tell your politicians that you will never vote Democrat until they stop flooding the country with cheap labor immigrants, and you can throw in illegal aliens. Let them know that you know that the Democrats are encouraging illegals to come here. Tell them that they will have to choose between your real vote or a theoretical future vote of the illegals.

As far refugee resettlement, again contact your mayor, city council, state senate and representatives and governor. Also go to the federal level and notify your senators and representative that you do not want any more of these ill chosen refugee programs. Tell them that there is no need for all the world refugees to come here. Tell them that it would be better if they were resettled in another part of their own country. Try the nimby approach - not-in-my-backyard. This will shake them up.

Just a little nit picking here about screen writing being a cool job.

It is also just about the easiest writing job around. It’s easier than doing a 10 page high school term paper, especially with word processing. 40 years ago screen writers had to know how to type and set tabs.

It’s really easy and amusing and enjoyable. Stallone knocked out the script of Rocky 1 in three days using pen and paper and then a typewriter.

Selling a script is a whole nother story.

“Of course, if you wanted to hire an Attorney that specialized in Civil Service law, the filing, and his fees, at the begining, would be $5,000.00. Who has that kind of money to lay out, on something that could go either way? So, I walked away from it. “

Legal ethics prohibit an attorney from taking on a case he can’t win. Even if there were no ethical and professional concerns, attorneys almost never take on cases they cannot win. Nobody works for nothing.

So basically there are no attorneys who will take on a civil rights case for a White. They will lose. Their client may or may not be able to pay the fees and expenses.

Speaking of the civil service commission.

A black woman I worked with told me that the State was giving an exam for Parole Officer. Since I had been a Probation Officer for 12 years I had the necessary experience (2 years). So I called and asked that the exam be sent. I was told, you have to come down in person for it.

I went down in person and was told. “We’re not giving the exam at this time.” I left and walked down the street. I noticed Heald business college. I noticed a large number of young people waiting at the bus stop outside the college. I approached a respectable looking young black man and asked him if he would like to make $20.00 in 15 minutes. I explained what I wanted him to do. He agreed.

We walked back to the Civil Service Commission building. He went to the counter and asked for the Parole Officer Exam. The clerk handed it to him, along with another sheet detailing times and places for the special tutoring classes to prepare for the exam.

He gave me the papers. I gave him the $20.00.

Just one more example of the discrimination against Whites.

Our government is just about 90 percent staffed with incompetent blacks and non White immigrants. I hope I live long enough to see the entire edifice crash down.

I hate to admit that many Jewish executives will pass up hiring very good, extremely talented white guys if they can hire a Jewish guy instead. If the Jewish guy is mediocre, he’ll be helped along as much as possible.

Posted by Concerned Jewish Guy at 10:26 PM on May 23

Concerned Jewish Guy I heard from many, many sources that many non Jews were considering suing Jerry Seinfield and Larry David for discrimination in favor of Jews when they were doing the Seinfield show. Is this true?

To Anonymous at 11:51 AM on May 24, your remark about Tim Wise is all too true. As a Jew, he embarrasses me with his hypocrisy. He rants about whites but of course, he himself is above white racism. He is actually one of the most racist social commentators out there. He is merely a con man who has figured out an angle he can use to make easy money. It’s very easy right now to stand up on a podium and bash whites. He and other hypocrites act as if they’re being courageous, but actually their lies and attitudes are supported by the media at large. It’s courageous to stand up for whites because you will be vilified. What Tim Wise engages in is transparent hypocrisy, cowardice and greed.

Steve Sailer can write interesting articles once in a while but he only goes so far. He’s not as courageous as he tries to make himself out to be.

To Anonymous at 11:51 AM on May 24, your remark about Tim Wise is all too true. As a Jew, he embarrasses me with his hypocrisy. He rants about whites but of course, he himself is above white racism. He is actually one of the most racist social commentators out there. He is merely a con man who has figured out an angle he can use to make easy money. It’s very easy right now to stand up on a podium and bash whites. He and other hypocrites act as if they’re being courageous, but actually their lies and attitudes are supported by the media at large. It’s courageous to stand up for whites because you will be vilified. What Tim Wise engages in is transparent hypocrisy, cowardice and greed.

Steve Sailer can write interesting articles once in a while but he only goes so far. He’s not as courageous as he tries to make himself out to be.

Posted by Concerned Jewish Guy at 4:58 PM on May 24

That’s exactly what I thought about Wise! Why aren’t the majority of whites chasing him out of town and not letting him come to their universities and organizations to speak? It’s funny he talks about “white privilege” and yet he, as you said, is using his white skin to bash whites and, because it’s easy as you said, he’s privileged in that he has the MSM and most other people who won’t criticize him for bashing whites. Are there lots of people out there who are exposing this fraud?

I was told as a White woman, that AA was for my well being. That, I would in fact be a beneficiary. I didn’t vote for it, Congress did. I am offended that a post here would suggest that I was somehow deficient when losing a job to someone else under AA. Excuse me, if you were already hired under AA how could you possibly lose a job to someone because of AA? BECAUSE!!! A White woman NEVER qualified as an AA hire. EVER.

I lost 2 jobs to minority women. I was told they had to hire them to satisfy a quota. Please don’t tell me that AA has ever helped White women. It’s a lie. Promulgated by Liberals to gain acceptance by gullible women. I’m happy to report the 2 women hired to take my place couldn’t cut it. Both were fired, and I was asked to come back, in one instance to TRAIN a new minority replacement.

Affirmative Action sucks. As a matter of fact, AA is the reason the U.S.A. is going downhill in achievements. It’s the reason government doesn’t work as well, it’s the reason newscasts have all kinds of errors now, nothing works right anymore, there is even electrical outages for no reason….

There was an interesting article in the Occidental Observer, by Edmund Connelly entitled, “On the Visual Displacement of the White Race”. This article points out some key reasons why we, as a Group, fail to get the Politicians’ attention, for our own concerns, and it lies at the heart of White apathy.

Further, perhaps there is something that we can do to gain the attention of the Politically Correct crowd, in D.C., and in our State Capitals, much the same way the TEA Parties got their attention to those speaking out about the state of taxation in this Country.

I suggest a week without a White man, on the job. Actually, I think a month would really hurt them, but a week would make our point.

It would go something like this. First, there would be no Food Deliveries to all major Food Retail Supermarkets across the Country, by those Over-the-Road Semi Truck Drivers.

Second, there would be no Tug Boat Captains, and Crews, working the major Port Cities around the Country, so Cargo Ships would have to sit at anchor, until our demonstration ran its course.

That means there would be no Inland Water Channel Pilots to bring those large Cargo Ships into port, either. That also means no Cruise Lines leaving these Ports, which were expected to be full with Vacationing Tourists.

Third: Most Air Traffic Controllers are White, and I am sure just one day, never mind one week, would tie up travel, into several knots.

Likewise, for Train Locomotive Motormen, and Conductors.

Many White men are in the Trades, and that is great for them, and their families, as they have a source of employment that cannot be “Outsourced” overseas.

But, for this one week, White men in these Trades should tell everyone, that for the next week, people will have to live with a stopped up toilet, leaky faucet, or hold off on installing a new water heater. Electricians will tell them that they will have to wait for their new circut breakers, light fixtures, or outlets installed. Carpenters will not be able to finish framing their new houses, or adding an addition onto their homes.

Bricklayers and Stone Masons would not be available to build new staircases to their front doors, or complete their new fire places.

I am curious to see, if such an event could be properly organized, what the ramifications would be across the Country. I am certain, that after such a well organized demonstration took place, our demands to our Government Representatives would be the first to be addressed.

Personal selfishness loses out in the end. Money is at best a means to an end, and too many Republicans forget that completely. Most of the time, when intelligent people close their ears to the truth, it is because they are materially committed to a different path.

Peter Schiff is an example of a person who is putting himself out there speaking the truth for those who have ears to hear. Some will listen, most will not. Most Republicans will not.

The reason Hispanics are multiplying and moving in is that they are engaging in basic work. Life rewards people willing to do basic work. Too many whites have lost their way and are out to sea with no moral compass, committed to lives of selfish waste with no view of the good. That’s a failure of the human mind, a failure to be sharp and clear in thinking, but also a moral failure.

knowclothes:

I think you’re right, that the affirmative action junkies and pushers are being two-faced about marketing AA to white women. The Ward Connerly organization tried to get the CRI on the MO ballot last year, but didn’t get enough sigs. As it turns out, it was a blessing in disguise, because our wonderful secretary of state, a born with a political silver spoon in her mouth white woman, fooled around w/the ballot language to engineer opposition among white women. MCRI would have failed and the AA junkies would have gloated.

Here is a quote from Mr. Taylor’s article linked above in the first paragraph.
“Shelby Steele, has described accurately the kind of ideological foreclosure that has informed racial discourse in America since the ‘60s: “[B]eyond an identity that apologizes for white supremacy, absolutely no white identity is permissible. In fact, if there is a white racial identity today it would have to be white guilt—a shared, even unifying, lack of racial moral authority.””

Obviously I don’t want to speak for Mr. Taylor, but the impression I get is that he seems to think Steele is merely describing how Whites feel about themselves, and that Steele thinks that they shouldn’t. And that is why Mr. Taylor says that Steele has described the situation “accurately.”

But from what I can tell Steele really believes that Whites, in admitting Slavery was wrong, have lost any and all claims to Moral Authority, and that this is a good thing. In fact, it seems to be the one “insight” upon which he has hung his entire intellectual career, ie; it is the sourced HIS “authority.”

Of course, this “insight” is a real howler. Not only did Whites not lose Moral Authority with their confession and admission and attempt to make amends, they placed themselves even higher than any other single group in World History. In fact, it was an example, and not the only one, of a Developing Consciousness, and a Developing Conscience. Something one can only see on the stage of Cultural History, in the geographical areas of Western Europe and North America. Now, this is not to say that this quality has not been hijacked and used against the West, it has. But that’s another matter. The West for me is the Culture of Spiritual Growth, but it has sadly degenerated into a Culture of Arrested Development masked as “Progress.”

But in terms of a Developing Conscience Blacks, on average, are possibly at the absolute bottom in this respect. For example; Blacks have a legitimate Historical grievance against what happened to them, but they have NO legitimacy in holding a grudge against the entire White Race enough to justify any criminal act, including violence, against that Race. Not only do Blacks do this, but even individually, the vast majority hide their personal defects of character behind their Race and their Race behind History. How “Moral” is THAT?

Dostoyevsky once said that “the only way to rejoin Humanity is to confess.” Well, from this perspective the only Race with a legitimate claim TO Moral Authority IS the White Race - OBVIOUSLY!

Where else in the world - Latin America, Africa, the Middle East and Asia (with the exception of Japan) do you see this sort of Self-Reflection, Honesty, and Willingness to Right Wrongs? Where?
The answer is, nowhere!

The problem is that Whites abused this activity and a healthy self-reflection was converted into a relentless and morbid self-probing that was so painful that is was projected away from the Ruling Class of Whites and onto the most vulnerable demographic available, Poor Whites! Who by definition of the Race Hustlers themselves could not be Racist behavior they don’t have power!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the only way Whites have lost their Moral Authority, ie; when they created Political Correctness. But, again, that was the creation exclusively of Whites in Power.
Blacks, non-Whites and their misled, or deeply cynical, Enablers have always said that non-Whites can’t be Racist because they don’t have Power. Well, the one and only demographic without Power today are Poor Whites. So why are they constantly attacked?
Because they have the one thing Power Elite Whites (who are the ones who made up this logic, which makes the whole thing deliciously comic and absurd) don’t have, ie; Lots and lots and lots of experience. Experience with what?
Well, two things of the utmost importance.
Experience, upclose and personal with Non-Whites, and often with fatal and tragic consequences which mold the heart and psyche in a way nothing else can match.
And Experience with Oppression, REAL (as in Race REAList) Oppression, and not the spurious Oppression we hear about all of the time now in spite of all of the evidence to the contrary.
Now we know why they don’t want us to have Freedom of Speech and, more importantly, Assembly!
This is the REAL reason William Rasberry said that it’s always illegitimate for Whites to organize. This is the blathering of a corrupt soul who knows that the only way to keep from being exposed to the blinding light of an unyeilding Reality is to silence, ostracize, demonize, and, if possible, eliminate the one group of people who personify it!
Once again we see that same old tiresome human, all too human, need to run from reality while blaming the victim; this time it’s being played out on the stage of Race Relations. That sound you hear is the Slave Revolt in Morality hitting bottom! It ought to be taken very seriously - because, as far as anyone can tell, it is the crudest, meanest, dumbest, and most violent version of a collective Flight from Reality the World has ever known. It is no dramatic exaggeration to say that however this turns out, the consequences will be felt for millennia.

knowclothes, thank you for telling your experience as a white women involving affirmative action. From the personal experiences of quite a few white women I have known, I am not surprised at what you wrote. I have, in fact, stated several times on this forum that it is a LIE, it is an absolute LIE, that white women are receiving affirmative action. What confuses so many people are the affirmative action ads and claims that constantly state….minorities and women. This DOES NOT NECCESSARILY MEAN WHITE WOMEN. I have heard from many caucasian females, that they applied for government jobs, for instance, and never received a notice of eligibility. This is all another liberal progressive hoax, as knowclothes has correctly pointed out. These liberal/progressives are vile and deceitfull liars. They are far worse than any conservative you could imagine.

Maybe I’m paranoid, but I everytime when I hear a talk about “the race issue” or non-whites empowering themselves, it’s another way to take more power away from us and money from us.

knowclothes:

The fact is that White women have benefitted the most from affirmative action. Although the fact that you are opposed to it is heartening to us White males.

“as far as anyone can tell, it is the crudest, meanest, dumbest, and most violent version of a collective Flight from Reality the World has ever known. It is no dramatic exaggeration to say that however this turns out, the consequences will be felt for millennia.”

Things aren’t always as important as they seem. No one cares what happens to whites. That’s the whole point.

The fact is that White women have benefitted the most from affirmative action. Although the fact that you are opposed to it is heartening to us White males.

Posted by Anonymous at 4:44 PM on May 26

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Actually, the above hasn’t been true for over 15 years, with the acceleration of laws and programs that not only favor blacks but all non-whites in the US.

Finally, the notion of white solidarity or white pride runs into the fundamental problem that whites mostly compete with each other for the best jobs.

I heartily agree! Not only that: White competitiveness is quite evident in white nationalism too. Whereas the average “diversity”-indoctrinated white person actively competes with his fellow whites in unctuous professions of officious commitment to non-discrimination, anti-racism, etc. (and we’ve all observed this in our daily lives), the white nationalists play the “more racialist than thou” game, trying to outdo one another in professed commitment to the preservation of the white race, which many of them define in ever narrower and more exclusive terms. It is no wonder that to many whites who might otherwise be interested in WN, “white pride” seems dour, unwelcoming and “uncool.”

Posted by Zorba_the_Geek at 6:52 PM on May 21

I really think that you’ve got the wrong idea. For me, it’s not about being ‘more racialist than thou,’ it is about gravitating towards those with whom you feel most closely connected with; it also has to do with certain physical and historical realities that many people here seem reluctant to deal with (for one reason or another).

The reason I don’t want to be lumped in with the entire ‘white race’ is because I don’t feel any connection with huge numbers of nominally ‘white people’. I have always gravitated towards a Northern European racial identity, not a ‘white identity’. And then, even among Northern Europeans, I gravitate further towards those in the Western sphere (Dutch over Poles, for instance). Why does this make me ‘more racialist than thou’ simply because I don’t feel any connection with certain ‘European groups’ that I have little physical, cultural, or historical contact with? I don’t want to breed with Hungarians, Czechs, or Ukranians, no matter how ‘white’ they are by the standards of Amreners.

Honestly, the whole ‘white pride’ thing needs to be ditched altogether, because it is silly and ahistorical. There has never been a ‘white identity’ in history, primarily because there is no ‘white race’ to begin with. Most Westerners understood that 100 years ago; they divided Europeans into numerous races — Nordic (with various subraces/subfamilies within itself), Alpine, Dalo-Nordid (or Faelid), Meds, Dinaric, etc. FYI, these types are not ‘subraces’, they are just races. That’s why they display different physical traits (eye color, for instance) and yes, on average, significantly different historical achievements. Western achievement is not equally distributed across European countries.

All concerned and upright Northern European Americans should read the works of Richard McCulloch if they want to truly ‘preserve’ their heritage…

“as far as anyone can tell, it is the crudest, meanest, dumbest, and most violent version of a collective Flight from Reality the World has ever known. It is no dramatic exaggeration to say that however this turns out, the consequences will be felt for millennia.”

Things aren’t always as important as they seem. No one cares what happens to whites. That’s the whole point.

Posted by Anonymous at 4:58 PM on May 26

Am I missing something?

Anonymous, your comment reads like a non-sequitor.

“Things aren’t always as important as they seem.”

What things are you talking about?
What things did you think I was talking about?

And it’s not true that “no one cares what happens to whites”.
I would feel very silly posting a comment like that at a site like this.
Why do you think Mr. Taylor and Company started the site?
Whe do you think writers contribute, people volunteer, and readers donate and post?

Plus, the consequences will be felt “how ever this turns out”, ie; whether Whites are here or not, and of course we will be.
Things are going to get dark, for sure, but not just for us.
In fact, as soon as they do for us, they will for everyone else.
The reason - people like Obama and Sotomayor, or whatever her name is, do not know how to manage the store, so to speak. It will be looted and go from dysfunctional to nonfunctional in no time flat.

“There has never been a ‘white identity’ in history, primarily because there is no ‘white race’ to begin with. ”

Oh? Are we just imagining what we see before our eyes? Thank you so much, Professor Ignatief!

Of course, if the white race does not exist, then I surely have the right to assume that blacks and all other groups do not exist either. They might not like that.

“There has never been a ‘white identity’ in history, primarily because there is no ‘white race’ to begin with. ”

Oh? Are we just imagining what we see before our eyes? Thank you so much, Professor Ignatief!

Posted by voter at 3:01 AM on May 27

Lol, Prof. Ignatief? That’s a low-blow; Re-read my post, I never asserted that races don’t exist. The problem though, is that they don’t break down the way many Amreners would like them to. There are RACIAL differences between Bulgarians and Swedes; if you can’t ‘see that before your eyes,’ then something is seriously wrong. Like I said, 100 years ago we were much closer to an accurate definition and classification system of race.

FYI, even the US government classifies people from North Africa/Middle East as ‘white’; do you consider these types to be ‘white’? Where is the line drawn after that? The fact is, Europe itself is composed of many different races which are clearly distinct and identifiable. Amreners should stop trying to lump them all together under a nebulous ‘white’ category.

And, BTW, identity politics and racial realities are two completely different things.

There have been several excellent comments in this thread, since I went on vacation last Friday; some of these were posted to me directly and others indirectly, one way or another. However, I think two really gargantuan questions do surface from them all. These being: first, what is the general goal of our movement; and second, where might Steve Sailer fit into it, if at all?

The first question is the hardest to answer, simply because most individuals here (being solid individuals and not members of the greater Red beehive, our country is quickly becoming) have many esoteric points of detail and divergence. However, I think that most here would agree that preserving, and eventually expanding the current white majority of about 65% back to at least 85%, is a reasonable goal. Moreover, I think that most here would agree that this is a minimal point of self-interest for whites, and that any “Americans” who are at odds with this outcome, are not really worthy of that national identification regardless of their genetic background, or other possibly favorable political proclivities.

The second question is a bit more obvious, with regards to where Mr. Sailer is falling on that spectrum of narrowed considerations. Overall, he is at best seen as a very friendly ally to the cause of white majority preservation, and that’s all. If one were to ratchet that distinction up only a notch or two and toss White Nationalism into the equation, he then becomes a distinctly obnoxious ( if also sympathetic) ally, that feels himself “superior” to the great unwashed army of “racist troglodytes,” he is “educating” from his lofty perch. He is quite ready to ridicule, or even mock, more grandly nested white elitists for their support of affirmative action and unrestricted immigration fancies, but he himself very rarely draws the logical conclusions of the idiocies and ironies that he decries.

In short, he falls between the two sides and never really grasps why that is!

All the best to everyone,

John PM!!!

“Historama” is being disingenuous. The people here at Amren are looking to stop the attack on whites (Caucasians) of European descent. People at Amren don’t lump whites together, it’s the govt, the racists who are behind multiculturalism who lump different groups into the “white catagory” to obfuscate, to hide their agenda.

Europeans can certainly claim themselves as a group, just as E. Asians and SE Asians make their distinctions. One would have to be a veritable idiot to deny that there is a systematic, ceaseless attack on whites in Europe and the USA - meaning a cultural, moral, and spiritual attack on the West by people who are in the end motivated mostly by hatred that comes from jealousy. Jealousy when comparing their overrated, over-lauded, exaggerated achievements to the achievements of European whites.

No White race? Is the government only dedicated to the destruction of English Americans, Scottish Americans, Welsh American, and Irish Americans, but willing to leave the German Americans, Polish Americans, Italian Americans, Greek Americans, Danish Americans, and Russian Americans in peace?
I am of mixed Northern European descent, but my American ancestors did not see fit to cling to ethnic ghettos and scorn other Europeans, as if they were still living in Liverpool or Oslo. Any American who has issues with French Americans or Czech Americans is on the wrong continent.

Europeans can certainly claim themselves as a group, just as E. Asians and SE Asians make their distinctions. One would have to be a veritable idiot to deny that there is a systematic, ceaseless attack on whites in Europe and the USA - meaning a cultural, moral, and spiritual attack on the West by people who are in the end motivated mostly by hatred that comes from jealousy. Jealousy when comparing their overrated, over-lauded, exaggerated achievements to the achievements of European whites.

Posted by The Real Story at 6:44 PM on May 27

Well, yes, there’s definitely been an on-going form of radical criticism — as Dr. MacDonald refers to as ‘the Culture of Critique’. But, that doesn’t really address the point I was making; just because there is a culture of critique doesn’t mean that all ‘European whites’ are suddenly ‘in this together’. When have they ever been ‘in this together’ throughout history? Are you even vaguely familiar with the history of the last century?

Plus, my point also has to do with the very real differences in race between ‘Europeans’ themselves. One would have to be blind to not notice the dramatic differences between the races in the North/South, and the West/East and so forth. Besides, what is a ‘white identity’ anyway? Which type of language is most appropriate — Germanic, Romance, Slavic, Uralic? How about culture?

I think that different ‘Europeans’ should perhaps collaborate with each other and work together to overthrow the degenerate forces that are destroying civilization altogether, but that doesn’t mean that the full-scale amalgamation of the ‘white race’ at all desirable. I don’t want the peculiar features of Northwest Europeans to be diluted by mass intermixture with Eastern Europeans any more than with non-Europeans altogether. Race reality works at all levels, including within Europe.

“No White race? Is the government only dedicated to the destruction of English Americans, Scottish Americans, Welsh American, and Irish Americans, but willing to leave the German Americans, Polish Americans, Italian Americans, Greek Americans, Danish Americans, and Russian Americans in peace?”

It doesn’t matter what the gov’t does, that doesn’t have anything to do with racial reality. I don’t have anything ‘against’ these different European groups, but I don’t feel a connection with all of them. If you can’t see the different between the average Englishman and the average Italian, then there is nothing more that I can say to help you.

And, as I’ve said, collaboration between different groups is okay, as long as it doesn’t involve intermixture.

“I am of mixed Northern European descent, but my American ancestors did not see fit to cling to ethnic ghettos and scorn other Europeans, as if they were still living in Liverpool or Oslo. Any American who has issues with French Americans or Czech Americans is on the wrong continent.”

It’s not about ‘quarantining’ yourself away from the world, it’s simply about gravitating towards those whom you feel a real connection with, physically, culturally, spiritually, historically, etc. I have nothing ‘against’ people of Czech descent really, I just don’t want them to breed with Northwest Europeans so that the peculiar characteristics of both groups become diminished in the process. There’s no need for disrespect, it’s just about keeping distance; isn’t this what Amreners routinely say with reference to non-Europeans? Why isn’t this applicable to different European groups.

And, BTW, you’re a fool if you think that European achievement is equally attributable to all ‘Europeans’. There are vast differences between the achievements of the Germans when compared with the achievements of Czechs. Isn’t it logical to assume that it’s partly the result of differences in average cognitive capacity? How would this be any less reasonable than assuming that the differences in achievements between Europeans and non-Europeans is partly attributable to cognitive capacity? Do Amreners just prefer not to think of these deeper issues because they might hurt certain peoples feelings?

Historama continues in the same vein, but to what end? Who cares about the differences between the average Englishman and the average Italian when our enemies look at European whites as one group, a group that needs to be marginalized or eradicated? They are the ones forcing the issue, forcing whites to look at themselves as one group. The greatest fear those who are attacking whites have is that whites will at some point develop a group awareness, and that this will lead to an awareness of the prolonged and deadly attack that has been going on against European descended whites as a group. This is why there is the faux ridicule of this happening. People laugh and make jokes, they smile when they’re scared or hurt. Once whites become “self-aware” as a group, they can turn the tables, and rather quickly. If this weren’t a possibility

One of the main tools used by the enemies of whites is to ridicule white group awareness as an impossibility, as something that has never, doesn’t, and will not ever exist. We see this going on in this very thread. Note that those who hate whites engage in the opposite behavior when promoting their own and promoting non-whites in the media. These groups are lauded, their “accomplishments” exaggerated, and most importantly they are handed the moral high-ground by the controlled media. The group strength of non-whites is then promoted as a virtue. Group strength created by the anti-white elites in the first place. All of this with reverence as opposed to the sneering, snobbish, spiced with ridicule tone used against those horrible whites. For instance, “Hispanics” are lauded as a cohesive group, the new faves of the elites. Are we to believe with all the different groups of latinos there are that they are in fact a cohesive group? Yes, for all the “infighting”, they become united politically when it comes to them being pitted against whites. They have been trained to act in this fashion by the way the campaign against whites has been structured. This is exactly why whites are slowly becoming racially aware as a distinct group and this is why they will eventually rebel against and topple the elites who so hate and ridicule them, despite the disingenuous propaganda that claims whites can never see themselves as a single group. Despite the exaggerated claims of class and country distinction, holdovers from the old days of Europe. Hatred against a particular group tends to unite that group. We see that happening with whites in the US and in certain areas of Europe already.

The tactics of the white hating elites will eventually work against them. Again, they are forcing whites to become racially aware but they have no recourse, as they can’t change the way they use non-whites as weapons of mass-destruction against whites.

“Despite the exaggerated claims of class and country distinction, holdovers from the old days of Europe. Hatred against a particular group tends to unite that group. We see that happening with whites in the US and in certain areas of Europe already.”

Posted by The Real Story at 6:18 PM on May 28

I’ve never said that I support the false glamorization of non-Europeans by the gov’t/media; I’ve simply stated that I don’t believe that it gives sufficient reason to overlook the vast differences between European groups. Why do Amreners pretend to believe that ‘evolution’ for Europeans stopped at a ‘continental level’, so that every European type is interchangeable. IMO, that’s just the same sort of flawed logic that anti-racists use when they try to claim the entire species as a single ‘human race.’ The reason that you’re trying to overlook this deeper racial reality is political in nature, as you’ve said.

But, what happens if you’re successful in ‘uniting whites’ to overthrow the degenerate elites? What will you be left with? A totally homogenized ‘white’ population from every corner of Europe, with every known cultural, linguistic, and ethnic background? Sorry, that’s NOT what I want. And no, this doesn’t have anything to do with ‘old prejudices’ from Europe; 100 years ago, most Americans would have shuddered at the idea of being homogenized into some sort of ‘white mass’ involving southern Europeans, Eastern Europeans, etc. They considered themselves to be basically a unified celtogermanic population, with a dominant Germanic (i.e. Anglo-Saxon) culture and Germanic langauge. That’s what I want to preserve, not some nebulous concept of ‘whiteness’ involving groups that I have absolutely no connection with. Ironically, this is precisely what the 1924 law was taking into account, even though many Amreners supposedly cite this legislation to support their ‘white agenda’. Don’t you realize that it was designed to cut out Southern/Eastern Europeans and promote a North European identity?

And what value would the homogenized white mass have anyways? What about blue eyes and blonde hair? Such features would be almost totally absent from a population thoroughly intermixed with Southern Europeans…

I think you’re out of place in America, Historama. I am all for the different European nations keeping their separate languages and cultures, and I despise the European Union or whatever those Reds in Brussels call themselves, but this is America. Europeans have their separate identities, but our identity here is White. We ARE in fact a blend of European traits. Yes, English culture predominates, followed by German contributions, but the smaller groups have made their contributions too.
It’s true that the Czech contribution to European culture is not as large as the German contribution, but there are, what, ten times more Germans than Czechs? How much have the Norwegians contributed? They’re more northern than the Germans, but their cultural contributions are much less. Have they contributed as much as the Czechs?
I recognize that most people gravitate towards their own kind, as I do myself. I find, for example, that Mediterranean cultures do not appeal to me, and I cannot bear to drink wine. But as various strands of my ancestors shed their foreign languages and adopted English, they gave up many of their other cultural peculiarities as well. By accepting the customs and values of the people already here, my people became Americans, the melting pot as it was called. No one in my family has ever called themselves anything but American. I literally did not know my own ancestry until I was about 12, because it wasn’t a matter of any importance. Would you have us Whites re-enacting WW2 in the New World?

“I think you’re out of place in America, Historama. I am all for the different European nations keeping their separate languages and cultures, and I despise the European Union or whatever those Reds in Brussels call themselves, but this is America. Europeans have their separate identities, but our identity here is White.”

You’re completely wrong about the American identity; how do you think old-stock Americans thought of themselves, as a neat mixture of types from every corner of Europe? No, they thought of themselves as a more or less stabilized blend of Northwest european types (i.e. English, Dutch, Germans, etc.). They may have used the term ‘white’ occasionally, but the term wasn’t nearly as inclusive as you’re trying to make it seem. I don’t understand how you can disagree with this. What do you think the 1924 law was all about? It was about keeping America ‘American’, as Coolidge himself put it — that is, overwhelmingly Northern European.

“We ARE in fact a blend of European traits.”

Correct, Northwest European traits — Anglo-Saxon culture, Germanic language, Germanic features (light eyes mostly, light hair, fair skin, etc.). The other strains have only appeared since the second wave of immigration (i.e. 1880-1920).

“It’s true that the Czech contribution to European culture is not as large as the German contribution, but there are, what, ten times more Germans than Czechs? How much have the Norwegians contributed? They’re more northern than the Germans, but their cultural contributions are much less. Have they contributed as much as the Czechs?
I recognize that most people gravitate towards their own kind, as I do myself. I find, for example, that Mediterranean cultures do not appeal to me, and I cannot bear to drink wine. But as various strands of my ancestors shed their foreign languages and adopted English, they gave up many of their other cultural peculiarities as well. By accepting the customs and values of the people already here, my people became Americans, the melting pot as it was called. No one in my family has ever called themselves anything but American. I literally did not know my own ancestry until I was about 12, because it wasn’t a matter of any importance. Would you have us Whites re-enacting WW2 in the New World?”

Well, decide for yourself, based on Charles Murray’s book on human excellence, whether or not the frequency of exceptional individuals seems balanced out by the size of the population for the Czechs. I don’t think it is. As I’ve said, European achievement wasn’t an ‘equal opportunity’ movement, as many people here like to imagine. Why do people here pretend that it was?

In your case, your identity as a ‘white’ person might make sense for you, but it certainly doesn’t for me, as an ‘old stock American’. Perhaps 20th century Americans gravitate more towards the homogenized ‘white’ identity, but I don’t. My line goes way back to before the signing, and I am very proud of that fact.

No, I don’t want to re-enact WWII at all; it was a disastrous, fratricidal conflict that never should have happened in the first place. No, I would just prefer that Northern European-derived people form a separate identity and protect themselves. I don’t have hostility towards non-Northern Europeans in America including those who are lumped in as ‘white’), but I don’t want to share an identity with them. You might see no problem sharing an identity with them, because it makes sense given your particular circumstances. Perhaps this is just more evidence that the ‘white agenda’ pushed here at Amren is hopelessly at odds with the tremendous complexity of current American society? What would be the point of trying to build some sort of nebulous ‘white identity’ which includes any one from Europe proper? That completely neglects both historical reality and racial reality. Yes, there are some morons in the media and gov’t who try to brand all ‘white people’ as evil, dull-witted, etc. But, that doesn’t mean I’m going to start calling large numbers of people that I have nothing to do with as my ‘racial brothers’ and sisters. Be realistic.

Historama, you are setting up a straw-man argument. What you actually seem to be doing is roundabout preaching of eugenics which is always a guaranteed turn-off to newcomers as it has been negatively portrayed in the press and academia for decades.

Different groups of whites don’t have to get together and dilute themselves if that’s anyone’s worry. Whites do need to unite against their common enemies. The enemies of whites want to marginalize all whites or make all of us extinct. Whites can unite against that and then go about their business in their separate countries or what have you when things have been cleaned up. In the US, whites had been intermingled for decades and things were working ok for the most part right up through 1965. It’s almost as if you are trying to give Amren the tint of “nazism” for newbies and those on the fence, which is always the tactic and goal of those seeking to destroy whites and the West. As someone with blue eyes and blonde hair, I’ve been through a lifetime of our enemies demonizing my type. They do so more out of some strange, primitive jealousy than anything else. We’re also an easy target as I guess we look to be the farthest removed from most non-whites, in that we are their opposite in looks; light hair, light eyes, light skin. And I’m Scots/Irish. The Germans, Scandinavians, Russians etc are even more hated by our enemies. I don’t think “we” or any other whites have much to worry about when it comes to “disappearing” through inter-marriage with each other and other European groups when we compare this to what is being used against us in terms of immigration, openly anti-white legislation in more and more white countries and more as the war against whites continues.

For this and more, I believe Historama is being disingenuous as I mentioned in my first post. Whites need to and WILL see themselves more as white before anything else as the campaign is ramped up against us. It’s inevitable. Good.

My last ancestor came here in the 1840s, and I have no idea when the first came. I thought I WAS old stock American. Perhaps your ancestors from before the signing were the sort who despised the German and Irish immigrants of the early 19th century.
I know that the immigration laws of the 1920s were an attempt to freeze the ethnic proportions in the U.S., and I’m fine with that. There’s no need for a great influx of Slavs in this country, and they have their own, fine, homelands anyway. The point is moot since there is no Slavic tide threatening us. My objection is to what I think of as your “Mayflower snobbery”. It really has no place among Whites struggling to keep from being destroyed by the Third World invasion.

“My last ancestor came here in the 1840s, and I have no idea when the first came. I thought I WAS old stock American. Perhaps your ancestors from before the signing were the sort who despised the German and Irish immigrants of the early 19th century.”

I’m almost certain that they didn’t; Germans and Irish are Northern European, after all. Irish are primarily Celtic ethnoculturally, but assimilable for the most part. As I’ve said, there needn’t be any hostility at all. That’s not was preservation is about, right?

“I know that the immigration laws of the 1920s were an attempt to freeze the ethnic proportions in the U.S., and I’m fine with that. There’s no need for a great influx of Slavs in this country, and they have their own, fine, homelands anyway. The point is moot since there is no Slavic tide threatening us. My objection is to what I think of as your “Mayflower snobbery”. It really has no place among Whites struggling to keep from being destroyed by the Third World invasion.”

Posted by Schoolteacher at 11:41 PM on May 29

Lol, ‘Mayflower snobbery’ is a clever phrase, the way you’ve put it, but actually it’s practically an oxymoron considering the circumstances. At that time, those people had little to be snobbish about. As I’ve said time and again, just because I don’t have an all-inclusive ‘white identity’ the way most Amreners like to have, doesn’t imply snobbery or hostility. Isn’s that what Jared Taylor usually says about his strong ‘white identity’ vis a vis non-Whites? What’s the moral difference?

You keep using that word, ‘white’ to refer to the people who are being displaced; that’s exactly what I have a problem with. I don’t think of myself in those terms. BTW, have you taken a look at the latest research, it doesn’t look like your ‘white’ category stacks up so good against other peoples, in terms of IQ, achievement, etc. Furthermore, it’s obvious to even a casual observer that the stupidest ‘whites’ are rapidly outbreeding the smartest ones. Who cares about ‘light skin’ when you’ve got an IQ in the double-digits? It’s about quality, not quantity.

Historama has tipped his hand with that last post. No surprise. It isn’t “Mayflower Snobbery”. It’s actually an attempt to hide a dislike of whites.

Whites need to be forced to see themselves as a unique group because as a rule they are almost too individualistic. I have to agree with some of the earlier posters who believe that the forces allied against whites are putting in place the “material” that will end up creating this situation and I think it’s going to happen faster than most people would now believe. Too bad so many bad things had to happen and will happen before this group awareness takes full effect.

I believe the title of the article at the top is “White Pride is Uncool”. W-H-I-T-E
Not, “Northwestern European Pride is Uncool”. You can’t even convince me, a Celto-Germanic, that the Russians and Italians don’t belong to our people. How will you convince a 3/4 Dane and 1/4 Pole, which is the sort of blend most American Whites are? What proportion of us in this country are mono-ethnic? And you would exclude them for racial impurity? Before you get rid of the supposedly not-so-smart Slavs, work on the Anglo-American Congress that has betrayed us.

80 — Schoolteacher wrote at 4:24 PM on June 1:

“I believe the title of the article at the top is “White Pride is Uncool”. W-H-I-T-E
Not, “Northwestern European Pride is Uncool”. You can’t even convince me, a Celto-Germanic, that the Russians and Italians don’t belong to our people.”

But who is ‘our people’? That’s precisely what I’m trying to understand. My idea of race/ethnicity is apparently very different from most people on this board, so I’m trying to clarify the situation.

FYI, technically I am Celtogermanic as well, even though I don’t possess a ‘Celtic’ identity or feel at all Celtic. I have always felt Germanic since I can remember.

BTW, I can’t believe you threw in Russians. I would NEVER consider a Russian to be part of ‘my people,’ especially not after what they did to Germany at the end of WWII. Do you know about the atrocities they committed towards the end of that conflict?

“How will you convince a 3/4 Dane and 1/4 Pole, which is the sort of blend most American Whites are?”

Well, for one thing, I don’t really have to worry about that, because I’m not trying to convince anyone. I don’t fantasize (and yes, it IS a complete fantasy) about building some sort of mass movement based on ‘whiteness’, in which ‘whites’ in America will assert their ‘tribal interests’ against non-Whites. My identity isn’t built on a false history of ‘white solidarity’, it is built on much more meaningful things — i.e. family history, language, culture, etc.

Furthermore, from what I’ve read so far it seems that you’re understanding of what constitutes ‘a people’ is a little underdeveloped. No ‘folk’ on earth is ‘completely homogenous’; choose any nation around the globe you want, and there will always be overlap and diversity. What ultimately matters is the degree of genetic commonality and the consolidation of an ethnic identity — this is what produces the sort of ‘family feeling’ that Mr. Taylor often talks about. It is not just ‘race’ but a combination of factors that promote social stability. It is very possible that someone who is 3/4 Dane and 1/4 Polish can ‘feel’ a connection with a certain ethnic group strongly enough to achieve a stabilized identity, particularly since those countries already have substantial racial diversity within them (i.e. Poles pretty much span the entire racial spectrum of European types). Someone with the above pedigree might, for instance, possess the physical characteristics and spiritual instincts that lead him/her to gravitate towards a Polish/Slavic identity, and to seek out a community in which this identity is fully developed and outwardly expressed. There are plenty of individuals in Germany, for instance, who have distant Czech/Polish ancestors (and many other nationalities as well), but they have developed a unified ‘German identity’ over time. This small aspect of their INDIVIDUAL background doesn’t prevent the achievement of a stabilized identity. As Dr. Kevin MacDonald once pointed out in an essay on ethnicity, ethnic groups are basically ‘in constant flux’, but they still tend to cluster around a core set of racial types.

So, individuals can have ‘multi-ethnic’ backgrounds but still cling to a single, unified identity because they possess enough commonality with the larger population. However, individual exceptions tend to get overshadowed by the general rule, which is that mixing will cause confusion, especially in an environment such as the one America has today, where there isn’t really a ‘dominant culture’ in the first place. So, mixing these types is not something that I advocate, because oftentimes there is confusion when it does happen. I regard the ‘white agenda’ itself to be basically a product of this confusion to a large extent (i.e. “I’m so mixed that I might as well just cling to my ‘white’ identity, even though this means nothing in history, reality,” etc.).

BTW, I don’t think that ‘most American whites’ are of that sort of blend; non-Northwestern European immigration into the USA didn’t really take off until the late 19th/early 20th century. Like I said, at that time most Americans possessed a more-or-less unified identity as Northern Europeans with a dominant Germanic culture and Germanic language. They weren’t really confused about who they were. I would say that a substantial portion of the so-called ‘white’ population is wholly or overwhelmingly Germanic (or Celtogermanic).

“What proportion of us in this country are mono-ethnic? And you would exclude them for racial impurity?”

As I’ve said, ethnicity is always ‘in flux’ as newcomers are taken in and certain people decide to go out. It is not about pushing out people simply because they are ‘multi-ethnic’, but promoting the same sort of unified identity that has been seen across history. Look at Europe: European ethnic groups have changed significantly because of emigration to other places, and integration of different racial parts throughout history. Look at Germany, a classic example of an ethnic identity that is far from static. But, these ethnicities still tend to cluster around certain racial parts, and they have achieved different levels of civilization. It is clear that certain types will be more assimilable than others, if the original ethnic identity is to remain intact. A ‘white’ identity, based on the integration of any featherless biped who claims to be ‘from Europe’, is just plain silly; in this scenario, there is very little in common between the racial parts, and there can be no realistic ‘family feeling’ because of the great diversity in linguistic, cultural, historical, and national differences.

So, it is really about two things: it is about determining ‘who is assimilable’ into a unified Northern European identity with a dominant Germanic language/culture, and selecting for valuable traits, such as IQ, health, productivity, etc. This was essentially what happened before, with some of the best elements coming from Northern Europe to America. Americans were able to form a unified identity while selecting for valuable traits that allowed them to create an impressive country.

This is different, I suppose, from the approach most people here take, which seems to be ‘as long as your skin tone is within the ‘caucasoid’ range and you act ‘white’, you’re in!’ I don’t know where this came from or what the purpose is, but it certainly has no basis in history, nor is it desirable from a racial perspective. Northern Europeans should build a unified identity that includes ‘quality’ as a basic requirement. In many ways this is not unlike the ‘Jewish strategy’ of a unified identity that combines racial realities with eugenic practices.

“But who is ‘our people’? That’s precisely what I’m trying to understand. My idea of race/ethnicity is very different from most people on this board, so I’m trying to clarify the situation.” Historama.
What is there to clarify? I, and most people here, identify as White Americans. That means, whatever our individual ethnic mixture, we speak English and we have Anglo-Saxon ideas of justice. There is disagreement among us about the Whiteness of Armenians or Caucasian-looking Mexicans, but you’re the first poster I know of who doesn’t think Russians are White. (BTW, I can’t believe you blame the Russians for the atrocities they committed against the Germans at the end of WWII. The Germans did far worse to the Russians in the first three years of the war. They could have liberated them and thereby won the war. Instead, they chose to kill and enslave them. So much for superior Germanic intelligence.)
If, as you say, ethnicity is always in flux, why is it so hard to grasp that in America, by the 1950s, a pan-European ethnic identity had healthily emerged? It was primarily English, supported by a large proportion of assimilated Germans, and smaller numbers of Celtic, Mediterranean, and Slavic people. That was my America, those were my people. This is the Nation that the multi-culturalists want to destroy. You ask “who is assimilable”? The answer is, disappointing as it may be to you, those who look White and act White.

Historama, give it up. You act like you’re for White Nationalism but your posts are designed to tar WN’s and to keep fence sitters from making a positive commitment to working for their own people; European descended whites.

“What is there to clarify? I, and most people here, identify as White Americans. That means, whatever our individual ethnic mixture, we speak English and we have Anglo-Saxon ideas of justice. There is disagreement among us about the Whiteness of Armenians or Caucasian-looking Mexicans, but you’re the first poster I know of who doesn’t think Russians are White.”

But that’s just the point — ‘Russians’ clearly are phenotypically different, on average, when compared with most stabilized blends from other European countries. There is variation within the country as well, with certain ‘Russians’ clearly exhibiting ‘mongoloid’ admixture left over from previous migrations and tribal conflict. There are many Russians who look much closer to certain Asians than a typical Swede or German. This is why I need clarification — what is it about this complex situation that makes you look at this and only see ‘whiteness’. I don’t see ‘whiteness’, I see a complex picture of European racial diversity that cannot be written off under a monolithic category.

BTW, what about Jews? Do you consider them to be part of your ‘white group’ too? They are extra-European in origin (i.e. Semites are NOT indigenous to Europe), correct?

“(BTW, I can’t believe you blame the Russians for the atrocities they committed against the Germans at the end of WWII. The Germans did far worse to the Russians in the first three years of the war. They could have liberated them and thereby won the war. Instead, they chose to kill and enslave them. So much for superior Germanic intelligence.)”

I suggest you read the book ‘Gruesome Harvest’ if you want to learn about the real atrocities of the war. Over 100,000 German girls were raped by savage Russian soldiers/officers. I don’t care if they were whiter than snow, I would NEVER consider such people to be my ‘brothers’. I don’t care if they apologized for a thousand years. Such crimes against the Germanic peoples are unforgivable.

“If, as you say, ethnicity is always in flux, why is it so hard to grasp that in America, by the 1950s, a pan-European ethnic identity had healthily emerged? It was primarily English, supported by a large proportion of assimilated Germans, and smaller numbers of Celtic, Mediterranean, and Slavic people. That was my America, those were my people. This is the Nation that the multi-culturalists want to destroy. You ask “who is assimilable”? The answer is, disappointing as it may be to you, those who look White and act White.”

Lol, that’s not an ethnic identity; once again you clearly don’t understnad what that actually means. Apparently, your ‘healthy’ 1950’s American ‘pan-European’ identity wasn’t very strong, as it didn’t resist its own dispossession and failed to develop a stabilized type. What America had by that time was just a jumble of ethnicities that all more-or-less tolerated each other because of the overarching commitment to ‘individualism’. The groups were still conscious of each other, they just put law and order above everything else. As I’ve said, most Northern Europeans didn’t consider Meds and other non-Northern Europeans to be white. When the law of 1924 was passed, a major concern was that the southern/eastern European immigrants were lowering the average quality in the population. Aren’t you familiar with the work of Madison Grant?

I guess, ultimately, it comes down to the fact that I seem to possess a much broader historical consciousness. The 1950’s is still extremely recent to me; my own identity has to do with my roots stretching back much further than that. This is exactly why I couldn’t care less about a nebulous, meaningless ‘white’ category that has nothing to do with my ancestors. When I look back on my ancestors in America, I don’t look to them as ‘white forebears’; They themselves never thought in those terms, at least not how Amreners try to skew things today. I look to them as North Europeans who shared a unified idenity and a core group of common races (from northern Europe). I don’t want to share an identity with other people who have nothing to do with this, regardless of how light their skin is. I don’t want to distort history simply because a lot of 20th century ‘whites’ decided to come here. IMO, I think you’re trying to simplify history just to suit your own political goals. That’s just not something I’m interested in.

“Russians are clearly phenotypically different…” Historama.
So are Italians. Ought we reject them and the Renaissance as well?
I too see a complex picture of European racial diversity, for example, the obvious differences between the Swabians of southern Germany and the Swedes. Try speaking the Swabian dialect only as far north as Frankfurt. They’ll know exactly who you are. These various northern European peoples see themselves as quite different, and would accuse you of simplifying history when you lump them together as “Germanic”. We may see them as having more similarities than differences, but they would simply regard us as ignorant.
I do know exactly what a nation or an ethnic group is, but those old identities no longer apply in America. What can an American of Dutch-Hungarian descent call himself but White? What of an American of Ukrainian-Finnish descent? Or Irish Italian? BTW, how do you figure that Celts and Germanics are so compatible? For 2000 years, from the Franks in Gaul to the English in Ireland, the two groups have been fighting. In the northern part of the U.S., the Irish and Scots-Irish were the original problem minority. In fact, the War Between the States was in large part a war between two cultures, Yankees and Germans against Celtic Southerners. Read “Cracker Culture” by Glade Whitney.
Unless you agree with Arthur Koestler, who thought the Ashkenazi Jews were actually Khazars from the Black Sea region, it’s true that Jews are not our people, they are Semitic. But they also have a 2000 year history among us. They are no more alien than the Basques, or the Finns, Hungarians, or Estonians (I think). Too many of them are Reds, we know, but Anglo-Saxon law has remedies for that. They may not be our kinsmen, but they are rightly our neighbors.
This pan-European identity has been badly damaged in the last forty years, but that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Most northern European nations, mono-racial and nearly mono-ethnic, have opened their doors to the most alien of peoples, embracing African Moslems even, and outlawing criticism of these invasions. Would you say that there’s no Swedish or Irish identity because of these policies?
The European peoples have suffered great calamities before, be it the Napoleonic Wars, the Reformation and consequent religious wars, or the Black Plague. We are living in the aftermath of the War of 1914-1945. After each, Europe has reconstituted itself. The West that survives and grows after us will be as different politically from the world of 1909 as that world was different from the 1500s, but we will likely prevail. The next twenty years will decide.

BTW, I don’t hold with rape or murder by anyone, but if you want to match atrocities between the Germans and the Russians, the Germans were the firstest with the mostest. I don’t doubt that well over a hundred thousand German women were raped by Soviet troops, but neither do I doubt that millions of Russian women were raped by Germans long before the first Russian savage laid a hand on a German girl. You sound kind of like a Germanic John Liu, your chosen people are always sinned against, but never sinning. You ought broaden your historical consciousness.

Schoolteacher:

Two myths I have to bust:

(1) Not all German-Americans were on the enemy side of the WBTS. That is a myth promulgated by today’s German-American societies to assuage Hitler guilt. Germans tended to fight for the side where they lived, those north of the Mason-Dixon line for the enemy, south for the Confederacy. It’s just that there were more north than south. What is true that most Germans in the South were against slavery, not because they liked blacks, but because they didn’t like them, and could not comprehend why anyone would want to use them. But there were few Germans that used slaves. The largest antebellum cotton plantation in Texas was German owned and used black slaves.

(2) The Khazar thing has been disproven by mDNA. That theory was once believed by both gentile anti-Semites and Jewish historical scholars alike, but it turns out they’re both wrong. Mitochondrial DNA shows that almost all of today’s Jews are descended from the Hebrews of the Old Testament. Also, a number of modern Jewish surnames are virtually the same as they were in Ancient Israel, Cohen being one of them.