Doug Moore, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, April 10, 2009
On the cover of [April 10’s] Go! magazine, a regular section of Friday’s Post-Dispatch, there is a photo of a couple kissing to go along with the story “The 7 Best Places To Smooch”. The story hasn’t generated a ton of buzz, but the photo has. Why? Because the man is black and the woman is white. The reader comments at the end of the online version clearly showed us that at least some folks out there are not comfortable with interracial relationships.
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From taxpayer came this remark: “This doesn’t surprise me at all. Libs take every opportunity they can to shove miscegnation in our faces. Now that TV has to show blacks in every commercial, notice that they are always posed beside a blonde woman. Not a brunette, a blonde. Its done for shock value. Sickening that a once proud newspaper would resort to this. Joe Pulitzer is turning over in his grave in shame.”
Reader greggh tried a middle-of-the-road approach: “I’m not judging the concept of biracial couples at all, but in a city as racially polarized as St. Louis, I’m shocked that the PD would go so out of its way to be so gratuitously provacative. This completely undercut the message of the article.”
Other readers were disturbed by the negative comments including dwilliams , who wrote:
“You people make me sick! What a disgustingly racist community we live in. My husband is black, I am white, we have beautiful children and we are both educated. We teach our children tolerance and acceptance of others, even the meth smoking, trailer park rednecks portrayed in these comments. Keep your nastiness to yourself!”
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Quick research tells me that 7 percent of married couples are interracial and those numbers are growing as the minority groups in this country continue to grow. Tiger Woods, Halle Barry, Derek Jeter and President Barack Obama are all products of interracial parents.
It’s been almost 42 years since the U.S. Supreme Court knocked down a law barring interracial marriage. But today, at least in St. Louis, it seems to remain a touchy subject.
Original article
(Posted on April 20, 2009)
Comments
““You people make me sick! What a disgustingly racist community we live in. My husband is black, I am white, we have beautiful children and we are both educated. We teach our children tolerance and acceptance of others, even the meth smoking, trailer park rednecks portrayed in these comments. Keep your nastiness to yourself!””
Just because people don’t support mixing of the races (there are many blacks and browns and yellows that also don’t like mixing) doesn’t make them racist. Educated? Hardly. She doesn’t even know what the word “racist” means. The mere mention of redneck as a response to some folks not liking or accepting interracial dating and/or miscegenation is typical of an ignoramus. Be advised that many highly-educated whites do not like interracial dating or miscegenation anymore than our like-minded kin in the trailer parks. She’s not only ignorant, she is totally and irrevocably brainwashed.
From taxpayer came this remark: “This doesn’t surprise me at all. Libs take every opportunity they can to shove miscegnation in our faces. Now that TV has to show blacks in every commercial
Not just blacks, they must be black MEN and the WOMEN must be white. Maybe we should see some beautiful black women with White men?? think the black panthers would like that?
The only people who have problems with it are racist ignoramuses like you posters.
On the cover of [April 10’s] Go! magazine, a regular section of Friday’s Post-Dispatch, there is a photo of a couple kissing to go along with the story “The 7 Best Places To Smooch”. The story hasn’t generated a ton of buzz, but the photo has.
And there, in a nutshell, you have the reason that an black was posed kissing a white woman. Our late republican society has the same sort of hysterical attitude towards race that former ages had towards sex. A same race couple posed kissing would hardly attract notice, and a white man kissing a black woman might bring howls of protest from the “black community,” but a black man kissing a white woman calculatedly titillates circulation into an upward trend, and any protests against it can be turned into a (further circulation-boosting) “badge of honor” for the magazine and self-righteous counter-protestors like “dwilliams.”
As a white woman, I don’t have much to say about this magazine cover except “gross”. I can’t even imagine…wait a minute…I don’t even WANT to imagine.
Just don’t read that stuff. They have an agenda—don’t buy newspapers, don’t buy magazines, don’t watch TV.
Quick research tells me that 7 percent of married couples are interracial and those numbers are growing as the minority groups in this country continue to grow. Tiger Woods, Halle Barry, Derek Jeter and President Barack Obama are all products of interracial parents………………………………………..Notice they left out OJ Simpson, Brian Gumbel, Coby Bryan (I don’t care about spelling), and on and on.
The level of disgusting immorality in the media knows no bounds. In a few years they’ll be two men kissing on the cover and a decade from now it’ll be a woman and some farm animal. What will be even more disgusting is that people will still post in the comments sections to get with the times, redneck trailer trash, etc. if other people are nauseated by it.
What causes a “Stir” in me is , over 90% of interracial crime is black on White, why do these women go looking for it?
It’s only offensive to white racists, thankfully, a dying breed.
“The story hasn’t generated a ton of buzz, but the photo has. Why? Because the man is black and the woman is white.”
Ugh!!!
Where to begin, or a better question: what new insights can I add here?
I think that “taxpayer” and his comments cited in the above article, pretty much cover my feelings about the media’s manipulative miscegenation predilections. Also, I think that most here who have ever read my past thoughts on the topic of that officially sanctioned interracial genocide of the white race, know exactly how I feel on that topic.
So what more can I write here to enlighten, or at least expand upon from above?
Well, it goes a bit like this: we must stop as a race, thinking of “whites” who engage in sexual (or any other form of) race treason and our genocide through “tolerance,” as being anything other than idiots or Reds. These are not our people, these are not our allies, these are not even considered members of our race; they are at best imbecilic runts from the back of the litter, and at worst, they are abhorrently lucid and premeditated racial defectors.
I could say more, but what point to it; well, other than, God help us all!
True ignorance never shines stronger then when people complain or are disgusted by racist attitudes toward miscegenation. These people are so blind to the dangers and destruction of what the mixing of the races can bring, that it is useless to try and educate them. All you can do is hope that most whites remain educated and smart enough to keep the race strong.
“From taxpayer came this remark: “This doesn’t surprise me at all. Libs take every opportunity they can to shove miscegnation in our faces. Now that TV has to show blacks in every commercial, notice that they are always posed beside a blonde woman. Not a brunette, a blonde. Its done for shock value.”
Yes they are shoving these abominations right in our face and the White woman is usually a blonde because a blonde White woman is the quintessential White woman. It’s getting worse and worse. I can’t go a day now without seeing some brainwashed White girl or woman with a Black, and the terrible part of it is the White girls or woman are sometimes actually attractive and somewhat intelligent and the Black can be some Rastarian, reefer-smoking lowlife.
Even though I haven’t lived in St. Louis in the past 45 years,
The crimes committed by blacks against whites has increased and the violent nature of these crimes would cause most whites with any sense of civility to distrust ANY relationship with blacks, especially black males. Most white women wind up abused or worse,read Nicole Simpson, as a prime example. If people wish to express their outrage, it’s part of of constitutional freedoms. The PC police would like to silence you!
“You people make me sick! What a disgustingly racist community we live in. My husband is black, I am white, we have beautiful children and we are both educated. We teach our children tolerance and acceptance of others, even the meth smoking, trailer park rednecks portrayed in these comments. Keep your nastiness to yourself!”
The intolerance of the “tolerant” never ceases to amaze me!
Quick research tells me that 7 percent of married couples are interracial and those numbers are growing as the minority groups in this country continue to grow.
Actually no - paradoxically “interracial” relationships will decline as the number of “minority groups” grows.
Maybe the number of black-white relationships will grow, but it’s also probable that other ones will decline .
Tiger Woods, Halle Barry, Derek Jeter and President Barack Obama are all products of interracial parents.
Note: It’s interesting how so many “biracial” (black father/white mother) celebrities grew up without said father.
Anyway, at least they haven’t blocked/deleted those comments yet.
From reading many of the comments posted in the original story, it appeared that only a few commentators were not in favor of the published bi-racial smooching photo, yet those few were set-upon by the scowling majority for being “narrow-minded” with the usual smears and jeers thrown in to add insult. But who knows what amount of editing out went on beforehand.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper saw an opportunity to stir up a hornet’s nest with this controversial photo, so they took it.
In response to some of the more liberal comments, I’m always reminded of Tom Sunic’s quote that went some like this:
“Americans confuse the dreary recitation of politically-correct gibberish with sensitivity that they think they have arrived at through their own value clarification”.
“From taxpayer came this remark: “This doesn’t surprise me at all. Libs take every opportunity they can to shove miscegnation in our faces. Now that TV has to show blacks in every commercial, notice that they are always posed beside a blonde woman. Not a brunette, a blonde. Its done for shock value.”
Yes they are shoving these abominations right in our face and the White woman is usually a blonde because a blonde White woman is the quintessential White woman. It’s getting worse and worse. I can’t go a day now without seeing some brainwashed White girl or woman with a Black, and the terrible part of it is the White girls or woman are sometimes actually attractive and somewhat intelligent and the Black can be some Rastafarian, reefer-smoking lowlife.
There’s a difference between two people falling in love without any outside forces……and the media trying to shove/brainwash/promote a social engineering project. The reason why they target blondes is because ‘blondes’ are the most immediately visible ‘white’ and all things white need to be destroyed.
If the mainstream ever got up enough nerve to look on the internet, they would find some real disturbing film clips with very racial and anti-White sexual content. That this even exists shows what this photo and all the rest of the sex for sale - race for sale sickness that is out there.
I live in this rather woebegone city of St. Louis, and when I saw that picture, I just shook my head and thought, “same old thing.”
The extremely leftist Post-Dispatch is always promoting their agenda.
The Post has become a worthless rag, anyway.
I believe several years ago they discovered that few Afro-Amers. read the paper. (No shock there, if you ask me.)
Of course, they decided it had to be their fault.
So to “rectify” the situation, they began featuring pictures of black people (usually on the front page) almost every single day.
Often these are pictures of “students,” usually quite young ones. I get a nice laugh every now and then as I look at their faces as they “study” biology or computers. It looks like the teachers aren’t quite getting through to them. Like I say, it can be funny.
On the other hand, they did recently take that vile “Boondocks” comic strip out of the paper.
It’s all part of the plan to brainwash gullible White girls into ‘getting down’ with the brothers.
It is innate that common sense people recognize that superior genes should not interbreed with inferior genes. There is a world wide conspiracy to dilute the superior genes by constant brain washing that it is cool to have miscegenation. Inferior genes should only be allowed to reproduce within their own ranks and at a lower ratio to superior genes. The inferior genes are the worker bees in society instead of being artifically elevated to positions beyond their capabilites. Unfortunately, there is always a natural tendency toward chaos. The ancient Aryans in India tried through a caste system to try to prevent interbreeding with inferior genes but to no avail.
I often complain to the editors, producers and advertisers when I see this kind of provocative trash. I know I’m not the only one as several high-profile examples were quietly pulled: “Doctor Who“‘s paki BF for the lovely blonde co-star; Comcast Cable’s blatantly dark-as-africa black with golden blonde wife, to name two that went down the memory hole.
It’s to the point where, at 44 years of age, I have had it to my eyeballs with my own sense of politeness and propriety being used against me, almost as a self-mockery.
I just commented on this mindset in a previous post:
“We teach our children tolerance and acceptance of others, even the meth smoking, trailer park rednecks portrayed in these comments. Keep your nastiness to yourself!”
I love leftists who decry “racism” by resorting to ethnic slurs against Whites. What hypocrites these mortals be.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/redneck
Keep your nastiness to yourself, you stupid cow!
You’ll notice that she is pulling him in to kiss. The race mixing media would not depict a bacl man being aggressive towrds a white woman , atleast not for a few years yet!
I honestly do not agree that interracial kids are good looking , since most are not . If you see white kids with just a little black in them , they are often obese and not attractive and they have kinky and crazy hair .
The old saying “once black never back ” has had it’s meaning flipped to the opposite . It meant that once you have black blood , you’ll never return to being white.
Blacks should oppose race mixing as should whites ( and many do)
They closed the comments. Some of the comments I saw at the link provided shows this overwhelming sentiment that it doesn’t matter since we are living with increasing miscegenation. And it doesn’t matter as long as they are in love. This is the sickening mentality that has taken over Whites and non-Whites alike(to a smaller extent). They don’t understand things like regression to the norm and the fact that miscegenation is immoral for a host of reasons(such as increased conflict, psychological problems etc.). Whenever I hear Whites excuse interracial marriage by stating something like “That it is fine because my husband and I are educated and we teach are kids to be respectful of all races”, they don’t get their kids will likely become more primitive and downgrading the future of their kids. And if it does not happen in the first generation, it will happen in future generations with future grandchildren. And if they do accept it as reality, why would they do it? Why would anyone take such a dangerous risk? And even if one does not have kids you are clearly setting a bad example by reproducing with others of a different race since human beings are social creatures that are more likely to do something when other people do it even when it is bad. White people who marry Black and Brown people are replicating the immoral and backward behavior that has occurred many times in human history in previous civilizations such as in Ancient India and Ancient Egypt.Since it is modern, it must be good. Since people like the look of brown, it must be good. Is it any wonder why Western civilization is collapsing. People don’t understand genetics and history. Everyone makes me sick with their anti-moral or moral relativist remarks. Here are some links for people who are interested in the subject. www.white-history.com http://www.eugenics.net/
Just this weekend at a conference I saw a picture of a mixed couple displayed in the showroom of the conference hotel’s wedding planning office. Funny how “mixed couple” always seems to go only one way: Black male, non-black female. Heaven forbid they portray something as distasteful as a white male with anyone at all!
It really doesn’t bother me that much in and of itself, but why is it necessary? What exactly is the point they’re trying to make? Is it against the law nowadays to advertise ANYTHING without showing at least one black in the illustration?
I think most people of all races are uncomfortable with it. Even with the decades of the media pimping for these relationships, they are still only seven perecent. That is because we all know inside that it is wrong. Most people want children that look like them. Its natural, its human and its not wrong!
Well, Mrs Misegenator, I am a well educated white woman who does not live in a trailer park or smoke meth. I too am disgusted by the chronic display of blacks and mixed race couples thrown in the face of America every day.
Disgusting. Share with others your gut reaction when you see such disgust. A nice ewwwww! will do.
Although many here think that the blatant assault on whites is bringing us closer and closer to some kind of violent revolt I have sadly concluded that most whites will settle for a kind of internal exile. They’ll go on living their lives to the best of their ability within the traditional modes, one of which is sane race separation. But they will give up trying to fight the official culture. They will live their whole lives under the radar, so to speak. The official culture will go on confidently blaring its lies. We may end up with only 20 or 25% of the population believing the lies and 75% in opposition. But the 25% will rule. Basically the great majority of white Americans will live as slaves. As long as they keep their mouths shut they’ll be safe…albeit taxed to death to support the lie.
There’s a new Eharmony commercial on TV that shows a white man and black woman who met and ultimately got married through the site. I’m sure we’ll be seeing mixed-race couples everywhere thanks to the newest PC fad in advertising.
I’d like to see a photo of a Jewish man, complete with yarmulke, kissing a black woman, complete with crucifix, on the cover of the June 2009 issue of Time Magazine. Or, replace the Jewish man with a Sikh, complete with turban, or a Buddhist in a robe. Would they dare print the picture of a chador-clad woman being kissed by a non-Muslim black man? Not in your wildest dreams!!! Why must they always be black/white? Because they are pushing it on our young….. THE POWER OF PURSUASION!
Black Insurgent:
‘It’s only offensive to white racists, thankfully, a dying breed’
I think you’ll find that comment as incorrect as it is stupid! Increasingly white people (both sides of the Atlantic) see miscegenation as a sign of a failing society - no pride, no self-esteem, no identity and no respect for their own history/culture . A great nation in decline.
Maybe we should address this problem by asking why people feel the need to betray their own people?
Oh BTW calling yourself ‘black insurgent’! Says it all doesn’t it!!!
“Quick research tells me that 7 percent of married couples are interracial and those numbers are growing as the minority groups in this country continue to grow.”
True but only about a 1/3 of that 7 percent involves a White.
Posted by Black Insurgent at 7:07 PM on April 20
Actually, if the traffic to sites such as amren and other ‘WN’ havens say anything, its a breed that’s actually growing in number :)
Posted by Terrance at 6:22 PM on April 20
Stick around for more than one post and share a debate with our posters and we’ll show you who the ignoramus is :)
I’m a white woman who was harassed by black “males” when I’d walk to school, and I despise these disgusting attempts by the media to promote miscegenation. The vast majority of white women I’ve talked to have complained about blacks harassing them on the way to school or work too.
The media tries to make everyone think white women love black “men,” but in reality it’s actually a minority made up of fat, ugly, and/or trashy white women. If you’ve seen a lot of mixed couples, you know the type I’m talking about.
Hey Black insurgent, thankfully blacks are a dying breed due to the Mexicans kicking your butts out of Kalifornia and wherever else they decide to go. You are not going to fare any better than the whites.
It’s only offensive to white racists, thankfully, a dying breed.
Posted by Black Insurgent at 7:07 PM on April 20
On the contrary. As the reaction to this cover shows and the reason the comment section had to be shut down is that racial awareness is as healthy as ever.
That you believe racial awareness is dying or will ever die only reveals your self delusion. What you want to believe is true and what is true are two different things.
I find it curious that so many black men choose white women to be their spouses. Could it be that these black men suspect (either consciously or sub-consciously) that white women have(on the average) better genes than black women? Maybe that’s why the aforementioned black men tend to be more sexually attracted to white females/
### I would love if some people commented about my theory…
the post dispatch is going broke…so lets help it along by cancelling our subscription, or not buying it anymore….these people are trying to brainwash us..lets kick them out of our lives, dont buy it, period.
The Black on White interracial illustration was intended to grab some attention for an article that is fatuous even by tabloid standards. Judging from the reaction, the newspaper succeeded. They show no originality, I have noted the technique for several years in TV and print media, both in ads and in content.
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The old saying “once black never back ” has had it’s meaning flipped to the opposite . It meant that once you have black blood , you’ll never return to being white. ]
I agree ,
You can see black genes in southern Italians or Portugese , their societies mixed with blacks and they became mediocre and the lowest amongst Europe where they were once leaders , other European countries ramained much more white and therfore much more successful .
Terrance:
Just because some of us have racial pride does not mean we are ignorant bigots.
To the poster who saw a picture of a black male/white female in a hotel showroom, a good way to cause a little trouble for them would be to turn political correctness against them. For instance, you could say: Why do you always feature black men with white women? Don’t you know that this is a stereotype? Are you implying that black women are not beautiful enough to attract a black man? I know many black women who are very angry with black men who reject them for white women.
Of course if they depicted white men with black women, the black brothers would express their outrage in no uncertain terms, maybe even in violent language.
This would really get them in a dither. They wouldn’t know what to do and would then keep away from inter-racial depictions completely.
Watch their circulation figures go in the basement just like all the other liberal rags.
It seems like they wouldn’t be so dense as to realize that, but it’s very difficult to try to guess the rationale behind people who would rather go bankrupt than refuse to be politically correct.
The NYT carries on in the face of emminent collapse because they’ve lost their credibility for being so radically left, but they continue on just the same as if they don’t do as they do diversity will be doomed, and it is more important to continue on as leftist radicals then make a profit.
You’re right, Michael Savage. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Sadly, this is typical of the trend of interracial dating and marriage that is taking place in our nation. I live in another misdwestern city and I see interracial couples frequently.
I agree with those of you who find such unions disgusting.
One thing I have noticed in reading blogs here and elsewhere about racial matters is that the so-called “tolerant,” “multi-cultural” people today are much more likely to spew hatred of those who disagree with them, are much more likely to call them vile names, and even to wish them physical harm — typically, to be beaten up by a gang of blacks — than the people who don’t approve of miscegenation.
The “tolerant” people are likely to say that it’s “sad” that we are still so “intolerant” in the “21st Century.” No, what is really “sad” is that our school systems have managed to so thoroughly brainwash so many young White people into complacently approving behavior that dilutes their own racial bloodlines.
Miscegenation means a million years of evolution wasted. Their hybrid children will very likely be of lower intelligence and morally impulsive than themselves. They’ll divide and destroy their extended family as they lose their support network. And now we know that interracial marriages produce a spousal homicide rate 7.7 times higher than normal marriages.
I am a white woman who managed to shake off the indoctrination foisted upon her in the so-called “gifted” classes. I’ve never done illegal drugs, and my husband is my 24th cousin once removed (I guess we’re kissing cousins). I haven’t lived in a trailer park since I was 12, and we live in a pretty decent neighborhood.
Now, that having been said…I find that picture disgusting. No one had to tell me to marry white…I never considered marrying anything BUT white!
You don’t have to hate another race to be disgusted with miscegenation.
One must ask if the writers of this article would encourage their children, either black or white, to marry or even date outside their own race. Each race has the right to be proud of their heritage and culture, as well as the legacy each will pass to their progeny.
Choices matter, and in this case, really matter.
interracial relationships
Ever notice how “interracial relationship” is code for black males bedding white women? Why not a Chinese guy kissing a black woman? Why not a mestizo guy kissing an Arab woman? Why not an Eskimo guy kissing an east Indian woman? Why not a black guy kissing a Semitic woman with a Mogen David around her neck?
As a white woman, I don’t have much to say about this magazine cover except “gross”. I can’t even imagine…wait a minute…I don’t even WANT to imagine.
Courtney, it’s probably difficult for you to contemplate because you don’t have daddy issues. Don’t bother trying to understand, you’re too healthy-minded.
The propaganda to exterminate whites continues apace as things like this try to make miscegenation seem normal. It isn’t. Mating with non-whites destroys the white genotype and breaks the chain from our ancestors to us.
I was in the local Starbucks the other day and saw two interracial couples. One was a White man/Asian woman the other was a Black woman /White man. Both couples seemed to be professional ones.
However, I was put off by such racial inbreeding.
All you have to do is go to clubs, spend some time on college campuses etc… and you will see this trend taking place. Young people of all races fornicating with one another.
We Whites had best wake up.
Blacks who support miscegenation are the most short-sighted and misguided of all. It will only result in a mulatto class that despises and looks down on the fuller bloods who are still the majority of blacks. Miscegenation is by no means a positive development for blacks.
You people make me sick! What a disgustingly racist community we live in. My husband is black, I am white, we have beautiful children and we are both educated. We teach our children tolerance and acceptance of others, even the meth smoking, trailer park rednecks portrayed in these comments. Keep your nastiness to yourself!”
Gee, Wallly, and there’s nothing racist about saying “meth smoking, trailer park rednecks”, now is there? Are you assuming all ‘rednecks’ (aka: word for ‘uneducated’ whites) partake in smoking meth and that everyone who lives in a trailer park smokes meth. I have friends that live in trailer parks (yeah, ‘redneck whites’) that are church-going, don’t smoke, don’t foolishly spend their money, are hardworking and very honest, pleasant people to be around. Oh, I guess they are ‘uneducated’ because they are white, hardworking christians.
The way to respond to this is to completely and absolutely stop buying the Saint Louis Post-Dispatch. Get your news off the Net. And proselytize to others to do the same.
One consolation, in time there will no longer be white people or white women for the blacks to feast on.
Whites will be as extinct as the Dodo bird.
This photo is unfit for a family newspaper. It should be in Hustler magazine!
Not just blacks, they must be black MEN and the WOMEN must be white. Maybe we should see some beautiful black women with White men?? think the black panthers would like that?
Well if it were within the realm of what most of us consider reality, they might be upset. Since it is not … what’s the problem?
What was great about this story was that Racists were given a lot of latitude to comment on how wrong the photo was. There were 350+ comments and Racists held their own, countering feeble arguments like “i’m married to a wonderful blakman” and “i can’t believe there’s still racism in 2009” with meaningful explanations of race preservation and negative aspects of inter-species breeding.
By my personal observation, I’d say that at least 80 percent of Black/White couples are Black male/fair-haired female. If these couples were the result of Cupid’s random arrows there would not be such a numerical disparity, therefore, there is something else going on, as any honest observer of society will admit. That something else is the Black man’s desire to steal the White man’s women, and the desire of these White women to humiliate themselves and their families. If there were no non-Whites available, these women would seek out some other form of degradation.
“You’ll notice that she is pulling him in to kiss. The race mixing media would not depict a bacl man being aggressive towrds a white woman , atleast not for a few years yet!”
Posted by Jerry at 8:29 PM on April 20
That’s a great point Jerry because the controlled media work on our unconscious minds with these images. It’s like this particular deracinated White woman is saying, “This is MY choice”. And you have to be deracinated just to pose in a photo like this.
“Doctor Who“‘s paki BF for the lovely blonde co-star;”
He looked just plain black to me. Doctor Who himself had a black companion, Martha, for a few seasons. In one episode, Doctor Who is introduced to a new companion after Martha. The whole episode made a comedy out of it. Showing Doctor Who (or at least the audience), apparently having a hard time going back - as they say.
Posted by Anonymous at 8:04 PM on April 20
Your claim is utterly flawed. First of all, the
They were NOT outsiders at all and they were not White
As for the existence of the Caste System, it is
Nowhere is the Caste system equated with race or
The Sanskrit language doesn’t have a specific word
They assume that Caste is the same as Race and that
The Caste system is a system of Division of Labor
If you think the photo is bad, catch the trailers for the movie “obsessed”. never has there been a more preposterous example of media propaganda. In this blatant ripoff of “Fatal Attraction”, a blakman is actually seen ordering a half naked blond woman out of his car before the sexual assault!!!
Far from being ignorant, I am a college professor with a Ph.D. from a prestigious university. It is because I am not ignorant that I find miscegenation repugnant. All cultures and peoples have a right to exist, and the leftist media, by promoting miscegenation, are advocating genocide—the end of whites and their civilization. Far from being a matter of love, the promotion of miscegenation is pure hate—of the most bitter, racist type—the desire for a people’s annihilation.
If you guys were really serious about stopping miscegenation, then you’d do well to address the far more numerous Asian/White mix. I suggest you start with yourselves. The number of people on here with Asian wives is surprisingly large considering that this is a WN site. It’s hilarious. Many of you don’t actually practice what you preach.
Look, I’m no advocate for miscegenation myself. But I do believe in freedom of association and individual rights; two of the founding principles this our country was founded on. If two people from different races want to get together, they have every right to do so; and no one has the right to deny those who wish to mix and mingle their God-given right to do so.
As for race-mixing allegedly diluting the qualities of the supposedly “superior” races, can anyone here provide proof of this?
“It’s only offensive to white racists, thankfully, a dying breed.”
Can you tell me why so many Black men do not find Black women attractive? I’m just wondering. Would that not also be considered racist?
- Real
I see the way the liberal trash media works.It doesn’t matter if they received 1,000 comments against it and just a few for it.They’ll print 1 or 2 “bad guys” (label them trailer trash rednecks etc.) The rest of the posted comments will the liberal trash degrading,insulting and even threatening them.They will literally threaten them with physical violence,and be applauded for it! I see it all the time on various venues of the media.If you’re not on board the PC train it will run you over.The media brainwashing of our children is continuous and terrible to see.Unfortunately,beautiful blonde women seem to be their prime target.It’s sad really.I don’t see it changing anytime soon either.All you can do is “teach your children well” before that too is declared unlawful.
British Airways (BA) on their animated information video for passengers (what to do if the plane crash lands, etc.) shows an inter-racial couple (Yes, of course the man is Black, the woman white with red hair, and their child mixed race).
I wrote to BA explaining that showing such a couple was (a) unrepresentative because the vast majority of couples marry within their own race group and (b) that it didn’t promote racial equality but instead strongly endorsed multiculturalism, a position that the vast majority of people don’t agree with, and that BA was therefore taking an extremist political position and foisting it on their customers.
Last time I was on BA it was still there. My next flight, which I have already booked, is not with BA. Multiculturalism just cost them $1000.
Black men with white women also ticks off black women. Positively enrages them. Black women know that they can go to college hold a steady job, try to court a black man that is less retarded than average, and he will probably end up ditching her for some girlfriend anyway and maybe even a white women.
Black women have a very strong feeling against race mixing. They see is as treason. They see black men who go gay the same way, as race traitors.
Probably people here know about the “thing” blacks have with white women brushing their hair, especially if it is blond. That image drives them to a high pitch of anger and jealousy for some reason. I have a theory about that. I think on some higher level, blacks perceive a white woman combing out her hair as a spiritual metaphor for brushing out the burrs so to speak. Brushing the hair can also be a metaphor for Fate or the unseen hand that rules the cosmos.
“We teach our children tolerance and acceptance of others, even the meth smoking, trailer park rednecks portrayed in these comments.”
Let’s ponder over that sentence to revel in the stupid dishonesty and hypocrisy - two very key attributes of the “enlightened” today.
I honestly do believe that love between any two people is something I would never get in the middle of. But there is a difference between that and what the PC Police State is doing.
Their mindset is, you only have to be non-White and you are above criticism. This is the Culture of Over-simplification gone Insane! And it is justified on Moral grounds!!!!!!!!!!
This is why Wall Street, Big Business, Big Oil, and the Warmongers among us, put BO in the White House, ie; to hide a multitude of sins that they have no intention of putting a stop to. BO provides political cover for them. But I am convinced it is going to backfire. The Power Elite today is motivated by Hatred that is fuelled by misrepresentations and lies. They will do anything to keep from being exposed, obviously. We just have to keep talking to each other, supporting each other, and understanding one another (in the best sense of that word) so we can develop the anti-bodies to protect ourselves from excessive exposure to their soul sickness.
It’s only offensive to white racists, thankfully, a dying breed.
Posted by Black Insurgent at 7:07 PM on April 20
Black Insurgent the above is what I refer to as a “Hit and Run Post”.
It’s the mark of a coward.
It’s also a Passive/Aggresive form of an Over-reaction.
And when anyone over-reacts it usually means they are lying to themselves about something.
Yes, I know, I recycled my post for Terrance. For a reason!!!!
Oh, and you might not be able to admit it, but we here and not just here, know and have known for ages, that Blacks are entirely dependent on Whites. Since Blacks think all Whites are racist-devils and we are a dying breed, than anyone dependent on us are going to die too!
But it’s not true, ie; we are not dying. However, the moment we stop enabling you in any way, shape or form, you’re through.
“… and President Barack Obama are all products of interracial parents.”
And that, my friends, is an EXCELLENT reason why the ban on miscegenation should never have been lifted.
“trailer park rednecks portrayed in these comments.”
I guess that means I’m a “trailer park redneck” because I dislike such interracial relationships. People have the freedom to have relationships with whomever they like, but that doesn’t mean I have to approve or “celebrate” their personal choices. The privileged media elites love to seek acceptance, as well as approval, for black/white intermixture because they believe in the great liberal dream of the elimination of racism through miscegenation. Countries like Brazil, Egypt and India show the results of widespread racial intermixture. Are these countries really that attractive to more thoughtful people? Who wants to immigrate to those countries? Has racism really been eliminated in those before mentioned “mixed” societies?
I have never read or heard of this magazine before, and I definitely won’t be doing the former in the future.
For those liberals who think they’re pioneering some kind of new phenomena with this nonsense, I would like to point out that black men and white women are the most unsuccessful type of marriage in the U.S., most often leading to divorce.
http://eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ789855&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=EJ789855
I assume this is most likely due to a realization of both parties involved the futility of such relationships, and the fact that they are doomed from the get-go no matter how left-wing the current atmosphere of the country is.
Countries like Brazil, Egypt and India show the results of widespread racial intermixture. Are these countries really that attractive to more thoughtful people? Who wants to immigrate to those countries? Has racism really been eliminated in those before mentioned “mixed” societies?
Posted by Sardonicus at 9:10 AM on April 21
Indians are NOT a mixed people. Brazilians and
Just because Indians are dark-skinned doesn’t mean
I believe you are confusing Indians with Latin
Also Indians never mixed with any White people
She’s not only ignorant, she is totally and irrevocably brainwashed.
What else COULD she be with her statements such as “My husband is black, I am white, we have beautiful children and we are both educated” Any statistics on how many of these ‘marriages’ actually work out with no detrimental affects on the children? 6 more months until all of the inauguration mulatto babies are born, wonder how many they will be.
“Americans confuse the dreary recitation of politically-correct gibberish with sensitivity that they think they have arrived at through their own value clarification”.
As confusing as when Nixon said “Let me make this perfectly clear, I am not entirely unopposed to…” seems he was not entirely un-opposed to the bombing of North Viet-Nam, but a good example of political double speak nontheless.
Well, Mrs Misegenator, I am a well educated white woman who does not live in a trailer park or smoke meth. I too am disgusted by the chronic display of blacks and mixed race couples thrown in the face of America every day.
NOT just mixed race couples, the couples MUST be black male and white female.
This is disgusting. Whites are only 9% of the world’s population and that percentage is shrinking. We must protect the beautiful white race before we go the way of the dodo bird. I’ll say it again. Whites are an extremely beautiful and intelligent race.
This is good. It sends a good message that the press can push people only too far. It seems to have dawned on people the implications of an Obama presidency ( even those who voted for him ), and this is one of the signs.
“Sardonicus you dork,Indians are NOT a mixed people.”
The above statement is incorrect. From what I’ve read (and please, if there is an expert out there correct me), 3,000 years ago, India was inhabited by primitive, dark-skinned people who had originated in southern Asia. They were then invaded and conquered by numerous successive waves of “Indo-Europeans” and Asians, including Mongols — and some parts were conquered by light-skinned Arabs. At first, the new Indian societies consisted of the light-skinned ruling invaders and the dark-skinned “subjects.” However, over the centuries, more and more interbreeding produced a variety of skin colors. To preserve their blood line and power, the light-skinned rulers then set up a very race-based caste system, where the highest castes were the light skinned rulers, derived from the invaders, and the lowest castes were the dark-skinned original inhabitants.
Sardonicus you dork, “Indians are NOT a mixed people. Brazilians and Egyptians may be mixed though.” R.N.
I’m afraid that this “dork” can’t agree with you. I agree with Mr.Gaurav Ahuja that the caste system was originally based on race. It is disingenuous to claim that Indians are not very color conscious. Most Bollywood actresses and actors are European looking with light complexions. You can even see the gradations of color from North to South Indian with the Punjabi look being the ideal Indian type. I’ve seen some Punjabi women that resemble Sophia Loren—every beautiful women indeed.
What frightens me most about the photo, and other images like it, is that it sets white women up as targets. Targets for rape, targets for ‘boyfriends’ who turn out to be enslaving pimps: or maybe they will just be targets for sweet-talking, girlfriend-impregnating highschool jocks, who will turn out to be the kind of worthless husbands who leech off their wives, before finally deserting their families (the usual pattern, it seems, when white women marry black men…you know, like the ‘fathers’ of Halle Berry and Barak Obama).
I would like to address the assertions of certain posters, that ‘racists’ are people who live in trailers, smoke meth, and are ‘ignorant’. Instead of generalizing about others, I will offer myself as an example of the ‘racists’ who post here.
My mother was a Debutante, my father was a member of the best fraternity at his college, and our immediate ancestors typically inhabited archetypal Mississippi mansions with third-floor ballrooms. The men were educated in New York or Europe, and the women sere sent to ‘finishing schools’. Our more distant ancestors were Norman Engilsh aristocrats and Swiss Huguenots. Beyond that, we have documented lines of descent from signers of the Magna Carta, Holy Roman Emperors, Senators of pre-Imperial Rome, and the kings of Judea. The likelihood of such an ancestry’s producing stupid descendants is rather low. It happens, but seldom.
The Kennedy/Johnson ‘Great Society’, following the Civil War, the Boll Wevil, and the Cotton Panics, succeeded in wiping out most of our ‘family money’. However, my parents’ generation, and my own, have recovered our standing to some extent.
While my house is smaller than I would like (Marble House, in Newport, is what I’d prefer.), it is within the wealthiest city, and the wealthiest county in our state. I have never inhabited a trailer, nor has any member of my family. I take that back: one uncle did rent an Airstream for a semester, while he was in Pre-Med.
No one smokes crack in our house. No one smokes ANYTHING in our house. Nor do they consume alcohol or eat meat. We are vegetarians, and mostly buy Organic. We have no domestic servants, and maintain the grounds of our home ourselves. We wash our own cars, iron our own clothing, and put an atypically high percentage of our income into investments. We have no pets. Our social life is limited. Our workdays are long. And we long ago severed our religious affiliations, having wearied of hearing ‘one-worlder’ garbage coming from the pulpits.
When I was a toddler, I went to the most progressive nursery school in the university town where my parents then lived (my Stepfather had taught Chemical Engineering, before opening his first factory). Later, I went to the best of three private schools in our town, and have eight years of college. My husband is in one of the top two professions. Our children have, or are getting, professional degrees.
I prefer to think of myself as a ‘realist’, rather than as a ‘racist’. But I became a racist/realist as a result of having grown up in an extremely diverse community. I got to observe the differences from close range. I experienced my first persecution for being a white Protestant while in private school, from a marginally-white, non-protestant Principal, who went out of his way to promote students of his own religion/ethnicity, and to discredit Protestant and Jewish students.
I doubt this will dislodge certain individuals’ preconceptions regarding ‘racists’. But it was worth a try.
I feel that white women should be aware of the consequences of interracial realtionships …..
There is a lot of attention given to white women who date non-white men. It looks like they are the biggest race mixers but thats not the truth. White males are the worst race mixers they created Brazil, Latin American, and the blacks we see today. I see white women almost exclusively dating black men. I see white men with women of every ethnicity. I live in Chicago and you can’t go out without seeing whitemen with asian or black women although most of the time the woman is asian. In Chicago race mixing is the worst, we have to compete with every ethnicity for our own men. White men think its so cool and exotic to be with a non-white. They like to walk aorund like: hey look at me, look how tolerant and progressive I’am.
“Also Indians never mixed with any White people
Indians are distant cousins to whites, my friend, as well as other ethnicities that were prevalent in their geographical area throughout history. Early inhabitants of what is now India were white Caucasians.
Plain disgusting. For the life of me I don’t understand the white women who date and have sexual relations with black men. Is their feeling of self-worth so low? Do they hate their parents, ancestors and culture? I can think of nothing more degrading than miscegenation.
As one of my employees told me the other day when discussing miscegenation and white women’s starring role in that travesty- “If you go black, we don’t want you back.” And that is the reality for the hunderds of thousands of white women who have been knocked up by black men in the last forty years. Black men want them only as casual sex partners while white men want nothing to do with them.
“I see white men with women of every ethnicity. I live in Chicago and you can’t go out without seeing whitemen with asian or black women although most of the time the woman is asian.”
I too see a lot of white men that go with Asians or Hispanics though only a very small amount with Blacks.
“You people make me sick! What a disgustingly racist community we live in. My husband is black, I am white, we have beautiful children and we are both educated. We teach our children tolerance and acceptance of others, even the meth smoking, trailer park rednecks portrayed in these comments. Keep your nastiness to yourself!””
Racism means the desire to feel superior to another race and the desire to oppress another race based on that. It’s rare today for white people to think like that. However, dating and marriage are very personal things and the truth is most people of all races prefer to date and marry within their own race as is evident that only 5% of couples of any race are interracial. Just because one believes in sticking with their own race when it comes to marriage doesn’t make them a “meth smoking trailer park redneck”. How absurd.
It’s happening everywhere, even in Russia, it looks like the end of the world like we knew it.
I think that only a few see it as we see it, in the recent past you coud see only very ugly women involvel in this now it’s radically changed and it’s growing fast if not exponentially.
Now it looks like it’s the coolest thing in the world with the arrival of Obama.
All the young people don’t see anything wrong with it.
People should not assume that the interests of black people and white people are the same on this matter. I would think that it would be in the interest of blacks to seek to mate with whites, as their offspring will generally be more intelligent and have other positive traits (such as lighter skin) that will separate them from other blacks. I would think that these genetic benefits would outweigh any problems caused by having family from disparate backgrounds.
Regarding white interests, I agree miscegenation should be discouraged, and also that the visceral disgust many whites feel is a healthy sign of an instinct for racial/ethnic preservation. But we shouldn’t be critical of individuals who due to fate or personal circumstances have wound up married to someone of a different race. There are all sorts of behaviors that we could not tolerate as a society on a wide scale, but that ought to be tolerated in small quantities.
(I don’t know what “Jaya Deva” is talking about, and the anon. poster of 11:07 am April 21 set him straight.)
I think we should accept that a VERY small percentage of our people are going to miscegenate, and that at least half of this very small percentage will regret it, since the violence level in mixed marriages is SEVEN times that of non-mixed marriages.
The problem is that the press is our enemy, and promotes this unfortunate practice, by a VERY SMALL percentage of our people, as though it were the norm.
Americans, who pride themselves on self-reliance, are in fact some of the most sheep-like people in the world.
When I was in Europe, I saw a very small percentage of mixed-race kids and families, all over, even in Germany, but I was not too upset because the number of blacks in Europe is small, and they seem to be top-quality, European in spirit … for now.
France has these big camps of non-White immigrants, which the French do not like, near Paris, and the unemployment rate among them is forty percent. The French are proud and intelligent people, in a quiet way, so I am confident they can and will deal with this problem.
“There is a lot of attention given to white women who date non-white men. It looks like they are the biggest race mixers but thats not the truth. White males are the worst race mixers they created Brazil, Latin American, and the blacks we see today. I see white women almost exclusively dating black men. I see white men with women of every ethnicity. I live in Chicago and you can’t go out without seeing whitemen with asian or black women although most of the time the woman is asian. In Chicago race mixing is the worst, we have to compete with every ethnicity for our own men. White men think its so cool and exotic to be with a non-white. They like to walk aorund like: hey look at me, look how tolerant and progressive I’am.”
Stacy I see the very same thing in Texas. For a white women a white man is harder to get because there is so much competition for them. A black man or non white man is easy for a white woman to date. Young white males do not care one iota about race and they will be the ones who destroy the race with their folly.
Good heavens! This piece certainly stirred the pot. I suspect that many of the more strident comments originate with the hard reality that, overwhelmingly, whites don’t find black Africans attractive. Many consider most of them even repulsive, at least in terms of sexual allure.
You guys don’t deserve much sympathy. You complain about race mixing and black men’s desire for white women, but conveniently forget that the largest interracial coupling in the USA is WM/AF. How do you think Asian guys feel about that? The population of East Asian males in America is small, and they are also heavily stereotyped against. They get no help from the media, in fact, it’s clearly against them. Does this sound familiar? It should be, because those same thoughts are reflected in many of the comments by White men on this forum. Congratulations, welcome to the Asian man’s world. Bare in mind, you’re still looking on. You haven’t even stepped in yet. The fact that men from the -majority- culture are even complaining about things like this speaks volumes about how much America has changed.
PS. For a race that mixes to the extent it does with Asians, and yet still denounces them, I find it perplexing. I’d ask you to make up your minds and form some sort of consistent, general consensus, but somehow I don’t believe that’s possible.
“You people make me sick! What a disgustingly racist community we live in. My husband is black, I am white, we have beautiful children and we are both educated.”
I’m guessing the St Louis area is filled with these black man/white girlfriend couples (and of course a neglected center city area), and so this response printed in the paper as serious is actually meant to be some kind of joke.
“Young white males do not care one iota about race and they will be the ones who destroy the race with their folly.”
Another Perspective, we are not here to whine about our grievances so we can ask for more money or preferential treatment from the Man or the Media or anyone else. We white Americans are the people who pay the bills in this country.
All we want is to keep the money we earn, keep the land we built and made into something, keep the free form of government our Forefathers created for us, and help wake up our sleeping kinsfolk before we hand over our great Republic to unworthy strangers. Just as I am sure you want your own kinsfolk to hold onto their homelands and way of life in Asia without alien encroachment.
This is a drummed up “controversy” by the Post-Dispatch. This article appeared in the regular news section of the P-D, but has been brewing in its “Conversation About Race” Blog for awhile:
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/a-conversation-about-race/
It featured the cover of that Friday mag, and a couple of (presumably) white conservatives made critical comments. White conservatives are always making critical comments on racial issues, why the P-D is making a big deal out of this is anyone’s guess. Also something to consider is whether white conservatives really did make these comments, perhaps they were liberal provocateurs or P-D astroturfers.
If you guys were really serious about stopping miscegenation, then you’d do well to address the far more numerous Asian/White mix. I suggest you start with yourselves. The number of people on here with Asian wives is surprisingly large considering that this is a WN site. It’s hilarious. Many of you don’t actually practice what you preach.
Wow! It didn’t take long for a gaggle of posters to put the blame for miscegenation where it seems to belong and ALWAYS belong for any societal problem in our modern multicultural society: on the WHITE MAN. These posters even seem to have personal knowledge that the white men posting on this forum all have non-white wives and girlfriends, and are simply hypocritically denying white women the same pleasures they allow themselves. True “white [male] supremacists”!
But here are some facts: for some reason, according to a study I read just the other week in the NY Times, Asian women are so willing to date white men, that a white man can earn $24,000 less in annual salary than an Asian male and still be preferred by an Asian female (in all other cases, it told more in earnings for a male outside of a female’s race to appeal to her). Asian women, in other words, seem to be “easy pickings” for white men.
Yet the fact is that, race conscious or not, most white men still pair up with white women, and vice versa. The point under discussion is the lengths to which our media and culture czars go to promote black male-white female pairings in poses such as the one accompanying the subject article, the SuperBowl commercial from about four years ago (that the late Samuel Francis acerbically commented on) involving a towel clad white woman accosting a black football player in the locker room, and numberless movies and TV shows of the last 50 years or so.
Part of the object, as I said, is simply vulgar titillation and presumed concomitant market share increase, but another part is the conscious degradation of white women and the humiliation of white men. That’s why the cover under discussion did not feature a white man bussing a sloe-eyed, saffron-skinned, black-haired maid, even though that’s what so many here would like to talk about instead.
John 4:13pm:
Te fact is that a growing number of White males, especally under 35 do date and are marrying Black women,(and other non-White women)especally in the upper classes. There was a post on this board not too long ago that discussed this.
Realist in Atlanta:
I am a Black man and I do find Black women attractive. In fact, from what I am seeing inmy experineces is that more and more younger White men are too.
I heard group of young, good looking, White males last week in a upscale restaurant discussing Michelle Obama, Anglea Bassett, Halle Berry, Vanessa Williams, Beverly Johnson and some other Black women they personally knew.
They were going on and on about how they would have no problem dating or marrying these women. Some of them were apparently involved with Black women. I was digusted to hear such talk
We White often conrtibute to our demise.
I too see a lot of white men that go with Asians or Hispanics though only a very small amount with Blacks.
Asian people, both men and women are simply BETTER PEOPLE than blacks, friendlier, cleaner and not so easily “outraged” and in general, lack the blacks entitlement attitude.
Another Perspective:
Agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly. Had the picture been of a white man kissing an Asian woman, there would barely have been a pipsqueak out of many of the posters here. And everyone here knoes it.
The so called White Nationalist movement is just infested with hypocrisy when it comes to the issue of miscegenation.
White men with Asian women are largely not commented on, or even accepted, while white women with non-white men, especially black, trigger an incandescent rage among the readers here.
White nationalism is going absolutely nowhere if we accept this blatant hypocrisy. Interracial dating is either OK or not OK.
People here need to make up their minds.
If the worst race problem this country had was a few white guys marrying a minority of Asian women, I probably wouldn’t be on this site. If I walked down the street in a major US city worrying about being jumped by Asians, it would be a different story.
Asians are a different race with their own living space far away from us. They are not our issue. Blacks and Hispanics are in our living space hindering the development of our people. That is a real issue.
Whitecomebacker posted:
‘I would think that it would be in the interest of blacks to seek to mate with whites, as their offspring will generally be more intelligent and have other positive traits (such as lighter skin) that will seperate them from other blacks.’
This is true. In all societies throughout history the lighter skinned people have been the ‘ruling class’.
The first thing Pol Pot & the Khmer Rouge did in Cambodia was to purge & eliminate the lighter skinned Chinese & then lighter skinned people in his own race. They were seen as more urban, successful & intellectual.
As for the ‘redneck’ argument, ALL my family are University educated (two are Oxbridge, not me though) middleclass, and reasonable, nice people. I’m not even sure what ‘meth’ is!(?)
You guys don’t deserve much sympathy. You complain about race mixing and black men’s desire for white women, but conveniently forget that the largest interracial coupling in the USA is WM/AF. How do you think Asian guys feel about that? The population of East Asian males in America is small, and they are also heavily stereotyped against. They get no help from the media, in fact, it’s clearly against them.
I disagree. You have plenty of AM/WF pairings in the media. Just go to YouTube and look up clips with “James Shigeta” (that’s a Japanese-American actor) and count how many white girls he woos and kisses in the films he’s made (not to mention how many white guys he kills) - all in films and shows that date back to the 1950’s and 1960’s. It may not reflect reality, but nonetheless you shouldn’t whine that you Asian males “get no help from the media.” Everybody gets help from the media in promoting race-mixing and race extinction - black male/white female couples just get super-priority in the media, that’s all.
“White nationalism is going absolutely nowhere if we accept this blatant hypocrisy. Interracial dating is either OK or not OK. People here need to make up their minds.”
I don’t know whether white nationalism is going anywhere or not, but I do know I’m going to keep on commenting about interracial dating. My mind is made up on that.
Zorba, if the best you could come up with was some YouTube clips about some random Asian martial artist…then you’re only helping to prove his point.
Matthew J:
I have been saying this for sometime. Hypocrisy abounds among a number of us in our movement when it comes to misegenation. Thus, our credibility is often limited.
Asian people, both men and women are simply BETTER PEOPLE than blacks, friendlier, cleaner and not so easily “outraged” and in general, lack the blacks entitlement attitude.
Posted by SKIP at 7:29 PM
After 115 posts, you don’t get it Skippy: THEY’RE NOT WHITE! Whiteness is like pregnancy, either you are, or you aren’t. I’m a 40 year old white woman, and I see no difference between one of my girlfriends hooking up with Juantavious Jackson and My brother shacking up with Quan-Li. I’m sorry, the fact that she is polite and plays the piano just doesn’t cut it.
Another Perspective:
As someone who is in contact with a number of Asian men, I can tell you firsthand that many of them are very unhappy about the large number of White men who date Asianwomen. In fact, in private, many of them bitterly complain about how White men date, have sex with and are taking their women away from them.
They do not like it. Trust me.
Another Perspective, Matthew J:
You are both correct. If you are a truly committed , race conscious White nationalist, then you are solely only for Whites dating other whites period.
Otherwise, you are a hypocrite.
The fact is that we are not talking about crime here, we are tlaking aobut miscegnation. One could argue that it is a form of crime as well.
Pragmatic Race Man:
I live in a area where there is a visible amount of White male/Black female relationships. The majority of them are upper income couples.
It does make you wonder why this is happening.
Captain Jack Aubrey:
The fact is that number of young people Black, White, Hispanic, Asian are knocking each other up with frequency. Pardon the crudeness. However, it is happening and your comments are, sad to say, just wishful thinking.
The mindless masses take their cues from the media.
Hollywood is ramping up the anti-white propaganda. Whites are portrayed as the embodiment of moral corruption in films like ‘Gran Torino’ ‘Doubt’ or ‘Crossing Over’, while non-whites are given sympathetic treatment.
Media propagandists have pretty much closed the coffin on the white race, and are enthusiastic at seeing its passing. White women (and men) in interracial relationships are displayed to us, the implication being that it’s ‘progressive’ to micegenate.
From a consistent point of viw, White Male/Minority Female
The above statement is incorrect. From what I’ve read (and please, if there is an expert out there correct me), 3,000 years ago, India was inhabited by primitive, dark-skinned people who had originated in southern Asia. They were then invaded and conquered by numerous successive waves of “Indo-Europeans” and Asians, including Mongols — and some parts were conquered by light-skinned Arabs. At first, the new Indian societies consisted of the light-skinned ruling invaders and the dark-skinned “subjects.” However, over the centuries, more and more interbreeding produced a variety of skin colors. To preserve their blood line and power, the light-skinned rulers then set up a very race-based caste system, where the highest castes were the light skinned rulers, derived from the invaders, and the lowest castes were the dark-skinned original inhabitants.
Posted by Anonymous at 11:07 AM on April 21
Anonymous,
Actually you are incorrect completely. Three
It was on the BBC a couple of years ago, I remember.
You are mistaken about the Mongols conquering India.
The mistake you are making is that you are clubbing
Just go to YouTube and look up clips with “James Shigeta” (that’s a Japanese-American actor) and count how many white girls he woos and kisses in the films he’s made (not to mention how many white guys he kills)
Zorba_the_Greek: yeah - that is quite an obscure example. But hardly anyone can deny that media and film depictions of Asian-white couples is invariably a white male with Asian female (which does actually reflect reality). Probably the ratio is about twenty to one in favor of the white male.
Zorba_the_Greek:
You also happen to miss the point of ‘another perspective’
The point is not whether race-mixing is promoted or not - it probably is. The point is the absolute hypocrisy on show on this website: most people simply do not really care about white men dating Asian women, whereas they go psychotic over just a picture of a black man kissing a white woman.
Noone, including yourself, has given any good argument to explain this undeniable fact.
I live in the Northeast. A few years ago we had a huge sex scandal involving Black women and White men.
These men ranged from lawyers, doctors, policemen, professors etc… It was shocking and disgusting to hear some of the graphic detail.
My point is that interracial sex and relationships has been happening much more than any of us would like to admit.
Flying Tiger:
Given all the White men who on this board who brag about having relationships with Asian, Hispanic and Black women, it seems to be right at home here.
CMartel:
Whiel it is refreshing to hear such comments coming from a professor, it is probably safe to say that you are in the minority.
Most professors are usually in the forefront of interracial mixing and marriage.
To Zorba: well big guy I am Korean guy working on his undergraduate, and I do not mean to argue with you or anyone else on American Renaissance. I never do. I do not come here to argue with anyone. I come here because I love reading what I can never read anywhere else and the comments by other AmRen members.
But if I may comment on your post…
“…..Just go to YouTube and look up clips with “James Shigeta” (that’s a Japanese-American actor) and count how many white girls he woos and kisses in the films he’s made (not to mention how many white guys he kills) - all in films and shows that date back to the 1950’s and 1960s. ”
That is roughly 50~60 years ago, and probably more than three decades before I was born, (the Japanese dude was born in 1933) and I am not sure if you or anyone can use it as a valid evidence or proof to support your arguments.
Let’s use an example. Tell me if it sounds reasonable to you. There were a couple of car accidents in the state of Arkansas (just an example) 50~60 years ago. Therefore, the whole state of Arkansas is automatically very prone to car accidents 50~60 years later to this day.
Does not sound all that reasonable to me. I would prefer proofs and evidences that would be just a little bit more recent.
“But here are some facts: for some reason, according to a study I read just the other week in the NY Times, Asian women are so willing to date white men, that a white man can earn $24,000 less in annual salary than an Asian male and still be preferred by an Asian female (in all other cases, it told more in earnings for a male outside of a female’s race to appeal to her). Asian women, in other words, seem to be “easy pickings” for white men.”
I have more than a few years of working and designing this and that sometimes for myself and sometimes for others with computers, and I was asked more than a few times in the past to find things on the Internet for others they were having difficulty finding.
and I failed to find the particular article you mentioned. Could you give me the link to the webpage? You told me you read it very recently. is it because the article was so recent that the article has not been posted online yet?
And the “fact” you mentioned, that is not how human attraction works. “There is a woman, and man A makes 24000 more than man B therefore the woman will automatically choose man A.” That is not how human attraction works!!
There are many factors for a woman or a man to consider when she chooses a man or a woman. There are some men who have no trouble winning women’s hearts without generating any particulary high income, and there are other men who generate just as much or even more income but not having much success. How would you explain that? If the “fact” you specified is valid and correct, then a man who makes a specific amount of income must have the exactly same chance of winning a woman’s heart as all other men who make the same amount of income.
(and I love my iPod :P)
The only people who have problems with it are racist ignoramuses like you posters.
I’m guessing your definition of the word ‘racist’ is something along the lines of the traditional ‘old school’
How about accepting the definition I prefer of
Which is really closer to a definition of a ‘Race Realist’.
And we here who support the idea of homogenous coupling are bias towards our own, guilty as charged.
Heck, let’s say diversity is great and diversity is wonderful!
I’m afraid that this “dork” can’t agree with you. I agree with Mr.Gaurav Ahuja that the caste system was originally based on race. It is disingenuous to claim that Indians are not very color conscious. Most Bollywood actresses and actors are European looking with light complexions. You can even see the gradations of color from North to South Indian with the Punjabi look being the ideal Indian type. I’ve seen some Punjabi women that resemble Sophia Loren—every beautiful women indeed.
Let me remind you that Mr.Ahuja is not an authority
Your assumptions about caste being based on race is
To understand the Caste System, we need to study the
Nowhere in the literature is caste defined or
I will quote a passage from the Bhagavad Gita that
Sanskrit Passage: “Chaturvarnyam Maya Shrishtam
Meaning of the passage: The four-fold system
Now let me ask you an important question
Indians are distant cousins to whites, my friend, as well as other ethnicities that were prevalent in their geographical area throughout history. Early inhabitants of what is now India were white Caucasians.
Posted by whiteraven at 1:36 PM on April 21
Can you separate fact from fiction my friend?
The “other ethnicities” that you talk about
Here is an example, just because Spain and
White Caucasians were never the original
If you are wondering about linguistic
I was floored… FLOORED I TELL YOU… the other day when I saw a TV commercial for the matchmaking service eHarmony that featured (GASP) a WHITE MAN and a BLACK WOMAN!!! Not because I was shocked or anything but because it is so rare… you NEVER see white man/black woman couples in the media. EVER!
In the media, especially advertising, interracial couples are portrayed 99.999% of the time as black man/white woman. I think we all know that this is no accident and I think we all know the reason behind it.
Advertising is made to appeal to our basest desires. And there aren’t many things more base than a white woman who seeks a black man. In my experience, white women who date black men are a particularly nasty breed, usually dealing with father issues.
Even a “black insurgent” must see the irony… wonder how the sistahs feel about all this?
Behind every white woman seeking a black man is someone deeply ashamed of themselves and their race, most likely someone who has been BRAINWASHED and taught from a very young age to hate themselves, hate their culture, hate their country, and hate the world that their culture has created. In a way, they are victims. The enemy is not white women… it is the race-haters infecting our schools and governments (they can’t exist without leeching off of the taxpayers) that take great joy in seeing the white race humiliated, castrated, and ultimately destroyed.
I like this…
“You guys don’t deserve much sympathy. You complain about race mixing and black men’s desire for white women, but conveniently forget that the largest interracial coupling in the USA is WM/AF. How do you think Asian guys feel about that? The population of East Asian males in America is small, and they are also heavily stereotyped against. They get no help from the media, in fact, it’s clearly against them.”
Hope this isn’t an attempt to explain all the Asian immigrant mass-murders in the USA lately… though it would explain a lot.
Zorba is talking out of his hat. The WM/AF pairing is the most common interracial relationship on a per capita basis. Asian genes are dominant and the genetic displacement is just as severe as any BM/WF relationship. You don’t have to read Steve Sailer or GNXP to know that. What the media chooses to promote has no bearing on the extent of real damage taking place. Anecdotal asides about some guy on Youtube don’t cut it.
Just the other day, i was in a doctors office, my father’s, when i noticed on the desk of one of the sectretary’s, who was white, two photos of a black boy and black little girl. Out of curiosity, i asked the older woman secretary if the two children were the children of that secretary. (The younger woman had stepped out.) She said they were. I found out later from my father, that the older secretary was the mother of the younger one with the black children. This had been my first time there at that office and the mother, who had known my father for quite some time, seemed like a nice and down to earth person. But you could see on her face that she was heartbroken from her daughters’s involvement with a black man and the black kids that were produced as a result.
Anyway, in the car on the way back from the doctor’s, me and my dad got into a discussion over this matter, and he remarked to me that an old jewish doctor once told him that white women patients he treated, who were with black men, would break out in rashes and hives on there bodies from kissing and other intimate acts. Ironically, i knew a woman who worked at a local hair salon, who would sometimes cut my hair and who had a live in black boyfriend, would have this rash on her neck and upper chest area. She would tell people there, customers and co-workers, that the rash developed from the hair she cut from her various clients. Now i know different.
Pragmatic Race Man, those boys were, I hope, probably just talking, basking in the glow of their own media-inspired “righteousness”, actually hoping that someone would hear their noble oratory (“What a fine, open-minded, progressive fellow I am, appreciating the delectable attributes of Michelle.”)
“Pragmatic” is the word. Most people do not have the experience, they only have the theories that education imposes on them, so they simply cannot be intelligently pragmatic. In my experience, reality always blows the rickety framework of theory to bits, and the theory must be re-evaluated on an individual basis. ANY theory, whether it be color theory, economic theory, or psychological theory. Most who miscegenate,will, I feel, find this out, but perhaps they will serve as exemplars to a lost generation, and as an advisory against the paucity of theory?
I was very gratified by my trip to Europe—it was like a cleansing summer shower to see such an OVERWHELMING number of Whites! And they were all trim, NONE, NOT A ONE was fat! Quite a bit of smoking, though. But it was like America, in the late fifties—I felt at home. Even the few Blacks I did see spoke perfect German or French, and were European in spirit.
A few will always make the grade. Just a few.
But it is America who will fall, in my opinion.
Europe will hold strong, once the Muslim thing is dealt with.
(My wife tried to politely hold the door for a French gentleman. He instead held the door for her, gently saying, I think, “Elle c’est, Mademoiselle” which I took to mean, “You are the woman, Miss.” At any rate, that was the effect. Noticing the differences in the sexes—a good start to recovery, but it seems to be forbidden in America.)
It’s only offensive to white racists, thankfully, a dying breed.
Trying to put some salt into the percieved wound hey.http://tinyurl.com/9dsehv (Whiteplight you’ll also enjoy).
In aiming for global equality, the pressure the rest of the World is putting on the West with over population and the demand for a increased standard of living, means we’ll soon have to drop our living standards by several notchs.
We Whites haven’t always collectively been the Obese, self indulgent, feminine, apologetic group who are ‘on the decline’.
As someone with odvious Black pride, don’t you find it insulting yourself, that these White liberal’s suggest that you should bred out your Blackness?http://tinyurl.com/c2rl2t
If it is true that we are all equal, and that in education for instances it is discrimination that leads to slanted academic results.
And this is where the ‘one drop rule’ puts WN at a disadvantage, I think historically it must have worked as a deterrent for miscegenation.
Having that third category to explain Black/White hybrid achievement is necessary.today ,
The point is the absolute hypocrisy on show on this website: most people simply do not really care about white men dating Asian women, whereas they go psychotic over just a picture of a black man kissing a white woman.
Nonsense, John: if nobody cares about white guys dating Asian gals, why do are there self-appointed high priests of white nationalism posting here threatening excommunication for white men who do so and doom for the movement from such behavior? Why are there Asian guys like you here fuming about it?
The concocted controversy here about white guys and Asian gals is simply an “apple of discord” tossed in to throw the thread off-topic. The white female/black male kissing visual has much more impact and should have more impact because of the racial history of this country, the crime statistics regarding black on white crime - especially black rapes of white women, and the ongoing efforts to displace white couples (still the majority in this hapless country) with mixed ones in portrayals in the popular culture. It’s also a good focus for raising white race consciousness, which is probably the reason why so many disruptors here are repeatedly offering their fulminations about the “hypocrisy” of white guys and yellow gals. Bu dui ma?
well big guy I am Korean guy working on his undergraduate…and I failed to find the particular article you mentioned. Could you give me the link to the webpage? You told me you read it very recently.
Annyeng hasey yo, Korean guy! Thanks for disagreeing with me without being disagreeable - I can well believe you’re from Hankuk and still haven’t managed to absorb the bad manners of this country.
I’m sorry I wasn’t more specific about the article I mentioned: it appeared on John Tierney’s NY Times Science blog last week, “Single Female Seeking Same-Race Male” at http://tinyurl.com/2wc3m5
Here’s a relevant quote:
For equal success with an Asian woman…a white man needs $24,000 less than average… You see, ajossi, I’m not making it up: Asian gals do like white guys.
Zorba is talking out of his hat. The WM/AF pairing is the most common interracial relationship on a per capita basis. Asian genes are dominant and the genetic displacement is just as severe as any BM/WF relationship.
“Most common interracial relationship”? That weasel word gives you a lot of slither room, doesn’t it?
But I deal in facts, “Anonymous.” According to the US Census Bureau, white female and “other” (probably Hispanic) race male is the most common marital interracial pairing. http://tinyurl.com/yudkhb
White men and Asian females represented 530,000 married couples in 2006, compared to 489,000 where the white husband had a wife of an “other” (again probably Hispanic) race. That same year, there were 286,000 white women married to black men, and 117,000 white men with black wives. By contrast, there were 50,224,000 white women married to a husband of the same race in 2006. Looking at these statistics, I’d say one should raise the alarm about those “others,” unless of course that doesn’t suit your agenda.
Finally, I’d like a credible reference for your ex cathedra claim (which you carefully covered by claiming I didn’t need to check Steve Sailer or GNXP to confirm) that “Asian genes are dominant and the genetic displacement is just as severe as any BM/WF relationship.” Are you making the claim that the genetic differences and distance between whites and East Asians are no different than those between whites and black Africans? Prove it, and not by your ipse dixit, either.
Rudy, thanks for the story about the rashes. I don’t believe any old thing I hear on the internet, but I know that there are little racial tidbits like this that nobody who knows will mention except in a whisper. I am going to be on the lookout for this to see if I can find some verification.
I do know that whites keep themselves very separate from blacks, no matter how much noise they make about Obama or PC. I think it’s instinct. It’s not just their behavior, it’s physical revulsion.
When I was a little kid, we had a dark black nanny. Every time she would touch or kiss my blond baby brother, I would run up and kiss him on the cheek. I was afraid he would turn black or something, like it was contagious! Kids do the darndest things, and I come from a household where nobody would ever say the “n-word” or anything like that.
“So yes, you are connected to us linguistically but not
Whew! What a relief. You don’t know how good that makes me feel.
But the entire area, about 5000 BC was inundated with white Caucasians, as was all of the Mediterranean zone, including North Africa. It was all part of the great white migration. Indians came later, as they’re doing now.
We build the civilization; Indians show up to try to gain from our hard work and efforts. Indians should be ashamed of themselves.
Incidentally, how did a country as small as Britain dominate a country as large as India for so many years? Does it have anything to do with average group I.Q.: Britain 100; India 81?
Anglo Celt Francophile:
I would like to beleive so to, but the fact is that I seriously doubt so. I was sitting in the next booth, directly across from them so I could hear what they were saying. Secondly, they were not being deliberately loud. Third, they would have no reason to try to garner my attenion or anyone else in the restaurant.
In fact, what I failed to mention in my previous post is that one of the men’s fiancee (that’s how he described her to his buddies) came in as I was getting up to leave. She was a Black woman, attractive I might add, but she was still Black.
I think some of us are not looking at how things are changin around us.
The topic of Asians shouldn’t be ignored. How on earth are you going to convince non-racially aware Whites of the negatives of miscegenation, when your own actions (or lack of them) give significant reason to think that you don’t really believe in it either?
Skip:
As some other posters have mentioned,the fact is that Asians are not White!
Either you are for interracial dating or you are not. You cannot use the foolish, groundless, hypocritical argument that it is Asians are okay to date, yet I am against interracial dating.
The fact is that many of you are trying to have it both ways. If you beleive that it is acceptable for Whites and Asians to date, have sex and marry one another, but it is not okay for other non-Whites to then you need to say so, because this is what you are saying.
Whether you like it or not, you can try to come up with all sort of pervesre justifictions for it, it is still hypocrisy! Period!
Zorba the Geek: stop obfuscating and get real.
The issue is a very simple one. The single most important goal of White Nationalism is the preservation and expansion of the white race.
Thus a white mating with any form of non-white should be completely ostracized and kicked out from our ranks.
A white man with an Asian woman is no better, no worse, than a white woman with a black man.
Remember: Non white = BLACK = ASIAN.
Whites are total hypocrites when it comes to interracial dating.
In fact when it comes to white men, whites have never really displayed much reticence when it comes to ‘getting some’ - regardless of race. White men in fact have been far less race conscious than Asian men - everywhere whites go they produce hybrids - the aborigines and Maoris of Australasis are mostly not full blood, the Cape coloreds, Amerinds (who are mostly not full blood), the whole continent of South America.
Visit any Asian country - especially Phillipines and Thailand and you see white men lusting after brown and yellow women - and they are not your average PC type liberal either.
From Pocahontas to Madam Butterfly, to Sayonara, to Thomas Jefferson, to Strom Thurmond with the servant girl, to the Karate Kid, white men have demonstrated themselves to be the greatest race mixers in all of human history.
And it has nothing to do with political correctness.
Admit it people- the outrage on display here has less to do with some notion of caring for the future of the white race, than simply maximizing the potential dating pool for white males.
Oh - and another observation just to prove my point:
I have personally seen white men very uncomfortable when they see a black guy with an Asian woman!
This was also noticed by James Michener (I forgot the book). White soldiers stationed in Korea and Japan in the immediate post-war period did not like it when black solidiers dated Asian girls.
So for whites, this is just about retaining all the ladies (of whatever race) for themselves - it really has nothing to do with ideology - but everything to do with biology.
The author of this article has a very interesting take on it:http://www.colorq.org/articles/article.aspx?d=2001&x=reaction
The author notes that whites often show disapproval towards black men with yellow women. His explanation seems right on the money to me:
“the yellow woman is considered the white man’s exclusive toy, and he is not willing to share this toy with other men of any color”
Obviously White nationlism has nothing to do with ‘fairness’ or ‘reciprococity’ as Jared Taylor would say.
It has everything to do with white power.
“These posters even seem to have personal knowledge that the white men posting on this forum all have non-white wives and girlfriends, and are simply hypocritically denying white women the same pleasures they allow themselves.”
I don’t really know why guys with Asian wives would still come to AR and think that they’re white nationalists , so I’m just going to chalk it up to insecurity on their part.
The white female/black male kissing visual has much more impact and should have more impact because of the racial history of this country, the crime statistics regarding black on white crime - especially black rapes of white women, and the ongoing efforts to displace white couples (still the majority in this hapless country) with mixed ones in portrayals in the popular culture.
Zorba_the_Geek: you miss the point of White Nationalism entirely.
The real reason why whites should not go with non-whites, has nothing to do with the virtue or lack thereof of non-whites.
It has everything and I mean everything to do with preserving our white genes.
I have met Asians whom I personally like and can well get along with. But I am against the miscgenation of white with yellow as much as white with black.
While the latter combination may be more problematic from an individual perspective in terms of marital discord, both combinations are as destructive as each other in destroying our white gene pool - ‘visual impact’ notwithstanding.
Remember we are only seven percent - yes seven percent of the world’s population. We are simply vastly outnumbered by East Asiatics.
I find it astounding that a seemingly intelligent self-styled ‘geek’ such as yourself fails to see this.
Peter:
Exactly. Thank you. I think some of our posters suffer from an affliction that psychologist have a name for.
It is a syndrome that conditions people to beleive what they want to believe regardless of reality.
The fact is that anyone supposedly racially conscious person who dates outside their race is a hypocrite.
“I have personally seen white men very uncomfortable when they see a black guy with an Asian woman!” Posted by John Liu at 9:00 PM on April 22
Well, if you’ve “seen” that then I guess that makes it true. Very persuasive argument, you clever rascal.
Uh, incidentally, I think I might have noticed a bit of anger coming from nearly all the Asian guys on my campus when they saw a black with an Asian girl. Do you think that’s because they’ve been around white guys too much?
“Just the other day, i was in a doctors office, my father’s, when i noticed on the desk of one of the sectretary’s, who was white, two photos of a black boy and black little girl…But you could see on her face that she was heartbroken from her daughters’s involvement with a black man and the black kids that were produced as a result.”
Which of course explains why she displayed the pictures on her desk.
Jaya Deva,
What you just said doesn’t make any sense. If we are only related in a linguistic sense, then did the invaders who came from India to Europe (as you claim), just turn around and go back home after giving us their language? And if the invaders came from India to Europe and not from Europe to India, then how come there aren’t any dark skinned dravidian genes that exist in Europe today?
Europeans have lighter, more recessive genes than most brown-skinned Indians. We can move down and immigrate to your country and then thousands of years later not leave much of a racial imprint. However, when you come and immigrate to our lands, you will most definately leave a racial imprint that will last a while.
And how do you explain the fact the during certain periods of the distant past India had a “great” civilization but today it is a third world dump while Europe is thriving? How do you explain that if white people didn’t live in India at one time?
Now I would like to say something to all the Indians who post on here. Why are you guys on here? If you are so proud of your race then go post on an Indian website. Most of the people on here don’t think too highly of Indians at all. Do you guys really think you are going to change our opinions?
In the West, the aryan invasion theory is largely accepted and there is nothing you can do about it. If you are so certain that your side of the story is correct then what do you have to worry about, and why does it matter to you so much that we are getting your history wrong? I don’t see very many white people wasting their time posting on the hundreds of websites on which Indian posters are discussing how “the aryan invasion is a myth”.
It sounds to me like you guys are the ones with the inferiority complex. But then again I am not surprised at all.
The fact is that far too many White men are promiscuous oversexed human bengs. They are sex addicts.
I do not wish to see any Whites mating outside our race, but I honestly do not feel the sort of revulsion when I see a Yellow/White mix as when I see a Black/White mix. The differences between Whites and Yellows is so much less than between us and Blacks, that I do not get the sense of beastiality that I do when I see Black and White together. A White with Yellow fever may have left our race, but they have not left civilization.
The fact is that far too many White men are promiscuous oversexed human bengs. They are sex addicts.
Posted by Nancy at 11:51 PM on April 22
Nancy you are correct when you say this but I would add black men behave this way too. This country has become “africanized” and I think there is something about that idea on this website. Black men used to be known for being oversexed but now it’s all american men that are oversexed. I think religion was one of the tools that used to keep men faithful to their families. I know of too many little kids who, because of their white father’s failure to keep it zipped, are now living with mom and a stepfather and only get to visit their real father.
I also do not feel revulsion when I see White/Yellow, Schoolteacher. When I see Black/White or Black/Yellow, I do.
I know I have said this before, but my DNA test reveals a small admixture of East Asian genetics, which has puzzled me and shocked my brother (“[sputter, sputter], It can’t be!”). On my recent trip to Europe, I saw the most dark- or black-headed (like me) people in Germany. (The most light-headed and blue-eyed were in England, by far). I feel that these Germans, too, probably have a small admixture of East Asian DNA.
I was always perplexed about my DNA test, but I think German history provides the answer. Attila the Hun attacked the Ostrogoths, drove them out, and later allied with the Visigoths to attack Rome before he was defeated by the Roman general, Aelius, near present-day Paris.
Attila hovered around northern Italy for a while, married a German princess, and retreated to Hungary, where many people carry the name of “Attila” with pride (from European History for Dummies, by Sean Lang, 2006, pp. 72-73).
So I think my small Asian admixture came through the Housers and Pfeiffers in my bloodline, but even if I had none, I think I would still feel the same way about “Black-and ______” couples.
“As for gradations of skin tone among Indians,
I would say that races are due to genetic mutations and mixing has occured over thousands of years. Mr. RN, if as you say the caste system has never had anything to do with race wouldn’t you expect to see as many light as dark skinned people in the Dalit or untouchables? Why do they seem to be overwhelmingly dark skinned?
It is also interesting and amusing that you think that Punjabi’s are not Indian but are Pakistani. My Punjabi friends would be surprised by that. So your admitting that Indians and Pakistani’s are two different races? Punjabi’s aren’t Indian?
in addition, I have studied Hindu literature and read both the Mahābhārata’ and the Rāmāyaṇa and if I had the time or inclination I could extract a passage on “race mixing” from the Mahabharata.
As far as Bollywood actor and actresses, being light skinned and European looking, I’ve included some images so that our AR readers can decide for themselves if it is really http://www.centralchronicle.com/uploads/23amisha.jpg http://z.hubpages.com/u/71499_f520.jpg http://z.about.com/d/worldfilm/1/0/b/4/1/MallikaSherawat.jpg http://media.photobucket.com/image/bollywood%20actress/sathishcoumar/actress/bollywood_actress_koena_21151907081.jpg
So you’re saying Indians are no more racist than average white Americans?
The issue is a very simple one. The single most important goal of White Nationalism is the preservation and expansion of the white race. Thus a white mating with any form of non-white should be completely ostracized and kicked out from our ranks.
Ah, another self-appointed high priest of WN? With priests like you, who needs apostasy?
You’re only going to preserve the white race if you raise white racial consciousness. Acting the scold and issuing anathemas against white guys who date Asian gals or white gals who’ve “been with” black guys is not going to convert them to white nationalism, or any other white person for that matter. You’re dealing with people who are “free, white, and over 21,” and you’re not their Daddy, brother.
I stand by my earlier contention that the jeremiads here about white men and Asian women -with their cheeky ad hominems about the personal life of other posters who contest their condemnations- are simply meant to divert attention from the topic of the thread specifically and white nationalism generally, and to disrupt civil discussion here all around. Da kara, Sayonara…
Asians are a WN Achilles heel. White nationalists can’t deny the miscegenation that’s going on, but at the same time anyone who tries to defend it will be lamb-basted by more hardcore/genuine members. This near indefensible situation effectively questions the sincerity and seriousness of WN beliefs and fundamental goal. If there isn’t more reconciliation then the movement will continue to be hampered by people who say one thing but do or accept another. In layman terms, people here ‘talk the talk’ but don’t actually ‘walk the walk’. The seeming acceptance of race-mixing with Asians with the concurrent WN denunciation of Asian presence in America is a paradox. Either you accept Asians and all that comes with them (and by extension of that, race-mixing in general) or you don’t.
“I feel that these Germans, too, probably have a small admixture of East Asian DNA.”
Do you have any evidence they are part East Asian (i.e. Southeast Asian, Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Thai, etc.)?
“I was always perplexed about my DNA test, but I think German history provides the answer. Attila the Hun attacked the Ostrogoths, drove them out, and later allied with the Visigoths to attack Rome before he was defeated by the Roman general, Aelius, near present-day Paris.
Attila hovered around northern Italy for a while, married a German princess, and retreated to Hungary, where many people carry the name of “Attila” with pride (from European History for Dummies, by Sean Lang, 2006, pp. 72-73).
Atila the Hun was West/Central Asian. Gengis Khan and the other Mongols are Central Asians. And their genetic contributions are deemed to be very small, especially west of Berlin.
I will give you the benefit of a doubt on some West/Central Asian ancestry (,except for drastically affecting the German phenotype). But what evidence do you have for significant East Asian-Pacific ancestry in idigeneous Europeans?
To Zorba_the_Geek, regarding:
“You’re only going to preserve the white race if you raise white racial consciousness. Acting the scold and issuing anathemas against white guys who date Asian gals or white gals who’ve ‘been with’ black guys is not going to convert them to white nationalism, or any other white person for that matter. You’re dealing with people who are ‘free, white, and over 21,’ and you’re not their Daddy, brother.”
While you are correct, that it really doesn’t matter what I personally think of such arrangements, or that such opinions as expressed by myself on the topic may turn off such people to the cause of White Nationalism/Preservation, they have already indicated their true allegiances, by way of reproductive/genetic realities. In effect, they have already converted to the most basic principles of multiculturalism’s “ideals.”
That is simply a hard fact of life and logic,
John PM!
Anonymous 10:32am:
What you hae posted is true, but I was talking about White men. I am concerend about the future of our race.
Anonymous 4:20pm, April 22nd:
If these PC types of Whites supposedly avoided Blacks, then we would not have all this interrcial breeding and a growing number of biracial children and intercial marriages.
You are living in a fairytale of denial. As for you rubbing your youbnger, it was an amusing story, but it does demonstrate your race consciousness.
EA Steve:
I think that part of the problem here is in the wording.
The DNA test that I took, put out by Genetree DNA Testing Center, has four categories of results: European (which, by their definition, includes the Middle East and, of course, Russia), Sub-Saharan African, Native American, and East Asian.
So East Asian would include what you correctly refer to as Central or West Asian.
John Liu: Unlike fake White Preservationists, I am not repulsed when I see Black men with Asian women. I am only concerned with keeping White women for White men (and logically White men for White women)!
John, good luck keeping Asian women for Asian men!
“So yes, you are connected to us linguistically but not
Whew! What a relief. You don’t know how good that makes me feel.
But the entire area, about 5000 BC was inundated with white Caucasians, as was all of the Mediterranean zone, including North Africa. It was all part of the great white migration. Indians came later, as they’re doing now.
We build the civilization; Indians show up to try to gain from our hard work and efforts. Indians should be ashamed of themselves.
Incidentally, how did a country as small as Britain dominate a country as large as India for so many years? Does it have anything to do with average group I.Q.: Britain 100; India 81?
Posted by whiteraven at 5:41 PM on April 22
White Raven,
Where do you get your information from??
The reason for this dichotomy is that non-
That is the basic reason why there is a
IQ has nothing to do with it.
By the way, White Iranians have an IQ of 84
I would say that races are due to genetic mutations and mixing has occured over thousands of years. Mr. RN, if as you say the caste system has never had anything to do with race wouldn’t you expect to see as many light as dark skinned people in the Dalit or untouchables? Why do they seem to be overwhelmingly dark skinned?
Posted by Sardonicus at 1:48 PM on April 23
There are light skinned “Dalits” also.
The reason the majority of Dalits are dark
You are also making the mistake thinking
The reason some people became Dalits
The Indian literature talks about
put another way, you cannot be part of the solution of white preservation, if you are contributing to (or potentially doing so) the genocide of the white race via miscegenation. That is a point of logic, that is not really open for argument.
Why, sure, John - that’s as “logical” as a chopped salad! A “white nationalist” movement that won’t accept other whites who’ve dated or mated with non-whites -indeed, that will “ostracize” them as heretics- is as “logical” as Christians not evangelizing sinners.
So, let me understand your logic even better, John: there’s a distinguished British contributor to American Renaissance named John Derbyshire who’s married to a Chinese lady and has two children by her. Due solely to that fact, “logic” which is “not really open for argument” requires that he be “ostracized” and “kicked out from our ranks,” isn’t that correct?
Or how about Mr. Jared Taylor, whose present personal life I have no details of, and which heretofore I considered none of my business,- may I not now, following your “logic,” make the impudent imputation, based on nothing but the fact that he was raised in Japan, speaks fluent Japanese, visits Japan from time to time, and has Japanese friends, that Mr. Jared Taylor dates Japanese ladies?
I’m being somewhat facetious in order to make a serious point: white nationalism is indeed about saving the white race, but its adherents must never forget that the white race is not some “social constructed” monad but is made up of white individuals, who as white people typically do, crave their own individuality, choices and freedom. Whether or not they are dating non-whites, white people will not be bullied or hectored into supporting the preservation of the white race by arrogant prescriptions about their personal lives. Idiotic “presumptions” that a man or woman is “lost” to the white race or white nationalism simply because he or she has mated or dated a non-white makes WN not into a coherent movement with any chance of viability (and consequent real opportunity to preserve the white race), but a ridiculous druidical conclave to be despised and shunned by most other whites, even as its tiny retinue of martinets purports to despise and “ostracize” other non-conforming whites.
One more point that is “not really open to argument,” John: No matter what you or any other would-be Torquemada might say, I believe in and support the preservation of the white race, and I have sense enough to see how it truly may be saved, as well as how close-minded prigs could send it to its doom.
Zorba the Geek notes:
“Idiotic ‘presumptions’ that a man or woman is ‘lost’ to the white race or white nationalism simply because he or she has mated or dated a non-white makes WN not into a coherent movement with any chance of viability (and consequent real opportunity to preserve the white race), but a ridiculous druidical conclave to be despised and shunned by most other whites, even as its tiny retinue of martinets purports to despise and ‘ostracize’ other non-conforming whites.”
Interesting observations there Zorba; not quite chopped salad in terms of logic to be sure, but something more akin to tossing a jar of mayonnaise on a whole cabbage, and then declaring it coleslaw!
If you bother to reread what I wrote above, you should be able to comprehend that my point was that if anyone is engaged in miscegenation or potential miscegenation, they are part of the problem and not the solution. By definition, White Nationalism implies that one has decided that the white race is their nation, period. Much like a country or any other political entity, you cannot be loyal to outside predators or enemies. For example, I cannot state that I am “loyal” to the USA, while selling its military technologies to China or Russia; nor could I state that I am a committed capitalist, while openly funding or enthusiastically joining the Communist Party. It is simply not possible!
Indeed, whites who select to be sympathetic to White Nationalism while also mongrelizing their offspring, are free to believe whatever they like if it makes them feel good abstractly. However, they are contributing to their own race’s multicultural genocide in tangible practice, and nothing is going to change that fact!
John PM.
John PM: you have hit the nail right on the head.
As for John Derbyshire, he has been quite explicit. He is NOT a white nationalist - “it would get me in trouble at home” - he said during a debate a few years ago with Jared.
John Derbyshire is simply a race realist - like Steve Sailer he recognizes racial differences in ability, and believes these to be mainly genetic.
But he is not a white preservationist. His views, I believe, are more or less follow Sailer’s ‘citizenist’ approach.
‘Citizenism’ is the polar opposite of White Nationalism.
Sailer is quite insouciant about interracial marriage - he does not believe whites are endangered and has simply advised “marry who you love” http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/marriage.htm
It is also interesting and amusing that you think that Punjabi’s are not Indian but are Pakistani. My Punjabi friends would be surprised by that. So your admitting that Indians and Pakistani’s are two different races? Punjabi’s aren’t Indian?
in addition, I have studied Hindu literature and read both the Mahābhārata’ and the Rāmāyaṇa and if I had the time or inclination I could extract a passage on “race mixing” from the Mahabharata.
Posted by Sardonicus at 1:48 PM on April 23
Sardonicus,
Punjabis are basically from the Punjab which
“The Division is not based upon any
“When Brahma created mankind, everyone was
“With time and degeneration of the mind and
“A Brahmin who is princely, passionate,
” A Brahmin who protects the cow but earns
“Those who love violence, falsehood, are
“All castes have their birth in Brahma(God)
“All are born pure. They are
“One who follows the Vedas is a Brahmin.
“There is no difference amongst people
“Krunvantu Vishvam Aryam” (Sanskrit phrase)
What do you say now, Sardonicus?
As far as Bollywood actor and actresses, being light skinned and European looking, I’ve included some images so that our AR readers can decide for themselves if it is really http://www.centralchronicle.com/uploads/23amisha.jpg http://z.hubpages.com/u/71499_f520.jpg http://z.about.com/d/worldfilm/1/0/b/4/1/MallikaSherawat.jpg http://media.photobucket.com/image/bollywood%20actress/sathishcoumar/actress/bollywood_actress_koena_21151907081.jpg
Sardonicus,
Light skinned people exist throughout Asia.
You can find many light skinned Arabs or
Those pictures are taken by Camera!!
You need to see these actresses offstage
John PM—
I like your lively and witty writings, and, as I scan the comments, if I see the John PM logo, I usually read your response first.
John, one time, AS AN EXPERIEMENT, I wrote an e-mail to an extreme WN group, an told them I had a SMALL ADMIXTURE (estimated 4%, not more than 10%) of Oriental genetics, as revealed by my DNA test, but I would like to join. They did not want me to be in their group (I did admire their adherence to their own standards!) as they only took 100% purebloods, not mongrels of any type! The leader, at that time, wrote me back an email that said, “How could you be East Indian (sic)?” Bad night at the whiskey, perhaps?
I feel this group, who did not want an alliance with me, is ignorant of European history (see my post above), and that many of their members have probably not even had a DNA test!
You seem to favor German things, John. Have you ever been there, and looked at the people? They are far from the supposed “Nordic” ideal of blonde hair and blue eyes, as are the French and everyone else I saw in Europe. The Brits or Swiss came the closest, from what I saw, and blue eyes and lighter hair seems to be the norm in the area I saw of England (the Brighton area, Sussex University in Falmer).
Europeans are the most desirable, creative, and inquiring people on earth, and small miscegenations, whether forced or voluntary, will be re-absorbed by the Euro gene pool, leaving a bit of “spice” in certain individuals.
Ah! La belle de Parie—Je suis mourir d’amour! (the best I can do, right now)
AngloCelt Francophile -
Many Germans east of the Elbe are of Slavic descent, not necessarily of ‘Oriental’ descent. And no, most Slavs are not Asiatic either.
Remember the Deutsche Ostsiedlung, the German ‘March to the East’, to reclaim, recolonize and ‘reculturize’ the lands that were depopulated; starting with the Hunnic invasions up to the disastrous Thirty Years War, where Germany lost almost half her population?
For that matter, even early race realist writers such as Madison Grant and Lothrop Stoddard accounted for the differing regional physiogomies of der Deutsche volk; and their conclusion was also they were largely Slavonic and Baltic in the East, refering to them as racially “Alpine” (rather than Asian), as compared to more Nordic elements in the north and west of the country.
It seems to have been a MultiKult fantasy of late of European’s supposed admixtures of/with non-European races. Of course there is some truth to it, but it is still an exaggeration nonetheless.
Let’s not further compound the error.
As for John Derbyshire, he has been quite explicit. He is NOT a white nationalist - “it would get me in trouble at home” - he said during a debate a few years ago with Jared. —-Posted by Matthew J at 11:27 PM on April 24
Not my point, Melchizedek. John Derbyshire has contributed to WN simply by being an authoritative voice for race realism, and he should not be refused entry into the ranks of WN if he were to want it simply because he’s married to a non-white.
Just as races are not equal in capabilities, neither are individuals within those races. With his intelligence, erudition, insight, and life experience, John Derbyshire is worth a whole wilderness of “race purists” howling for his exclusion from the white race, who know nothing about “race preservation” except to decry “race-mixing,” and who know everything about the white race’s genes but nothing about its merits and soul.
Sardonicus and whiteraven, you might be interested in consulting the Wiki article on “Indo-Aryan migrations” http://tinyurl.com/d8mywv
According to that extensively cross-referenced article, “India, home to only a single branch of the Indo-European language family (i.e. Indo-Aryan), is an exceedingly unlikely candidate for the Indo-European homeland.” Moreover, it quotes Edwin Bryant’s 2001 work on “The Indo-Aryan Migration Debate” as follows: “All scholars, whatever position they might hold on the ultimate homeland of the Indo-Europeans, accept that the Indo-Aryans, at least, entered India from the West.”
I think it safe to say that the “Out of India” scenarios for some kind of eternal autochthonous Indian race, propounded with such fervor by some on this thread, are informed by Hindu religious fanaticism, not historical, linguistic, or scientific evidence.
What is Zorba talking about? Merits and soul? East Asians are Haplogroups O and K and C (and Japan D). Europeans are predominantly R1b, R1a, I, N and J. It’s called “science”—look it up.
John Derbyshire has contributed to WN simply by being an authoritative voice for race realism, and he should not be refused entry into the ranks of WN if he were to want it simply because he’s married to a non-whiten
Zorba_the_Greek: John Derbyshire has contributed really nothing to WN. He minself has contributed nothi.g to race realist theory - he just happens to believe most to be true - but then so do a whole lot of mainstream psychologist and other human scientists.
Actually Derbyshire is even worse than the average ignorant multicult lemming. The fact that he knows and understands racial differences and is completely au fait with the aims and philosophy of WN including the precarious position the white race finds itself in - and still marries an oriental and produces mixed race offspring means he is completely indifferent to the fate of our race. At least most non racially aware whites can plead ignorance as a defense. Derbyshire cannot.
Derbyshire can never ever be a WN. He can never ever oppose miscegenation without looking and being a total and utter hypocrite. And if one does not oppose miscegenation, one is not a WN.
But, El Caudillo, I WAS in the west of Germany, the EXTREME WEST (in Boppard, Freiberg, and the Strausborg area [the city itself is actually in France]) and I did not see these “Nordic” types, not a one.
This is only one of the popular conceptions about Germany that I felt was not based on truth. Of course, this is only my experience, but I was aware of what I was looking for, and I looked very hard, leading some, I think, to believe that I was with the police.
My point was that, given a small admixture, a man can still have, as Zorba says, the “merit and soul” of the European race. I am more in the Camp of the Saints than the ignoramuses who refused me entry into the extreme WN group, although I would not have joined, anyway.
This completely materialistic way of looking at racial purity just rubs me the wrong way. Of course genetics is a big part, but so is what a person’s mind and soul does with those genetics.
Bonne journee.
John Derbyshire has contributed to WN simply by being an authoritative voice for race realism, and he should not be refused entry into the ranks of WN if he were to want it simply because he’s married to a non-white.
Zorba_the_Geek: your use of the word ‘simply’ in the above quote shows you consider race mixing to be a matter of no great importance.
There is no logical difference between accepting Derbyshire as one of us on the one hand, and accepting the white woman kissing the black guy on the magazine cover on the other hand.
If you think there is I look forward to your explanation.
You no doubt view any white woman in a sexual relationship with a black with a certain degree of disgust (at least I hope you do). Why not the same degree of disgust in respect to Derbyshire who is married to an oriental woman with two mongrelized offspring?
Matthew J:
You have said as much as you can possibly say. I and others who agree with you know the truth. You have stated it time and time again.
The fact is that a number of Amreners are phony race conscious indivdiduals. They say one thing, have a set of double standards for themselves and others, engage in all sorts of outlandish, twisted, foolish rhetoric to jusify their hypocrisy, do nothing but give our critics ammunition, dissuade otherwise well meaning Whites from joining our movement and in general do our movement more harm than good.
It is unfortuante, but this is the truth.
John Derbyshire is worth a whole wilderness of “race purists” howling for his exclusion from the white race, who know nothing about “race preservation” except to decry “race-mixing,” and who know everything about the white race’s genes but nothing about its merits and soul
East Asians are Haplogroups O and K and C (and Japan D). Europeans are predominantly R1b, R1a, I, N and J.
As a great white man named Euclid once said, Quod erat demonstrandum - i.e., thanks for making my point.
As I am already weary of pointing out, reductionist “race purists” who look as the white race as a bundle of haplotypes are missing the forest for the trees. White people aren’t going to have their racial consciousness raised by obiter dicta about alphabet soup genetics, or chided into dating and mating with their own if they aren’t first convinced of the worth -the “merits and soul”- of their own white race, and then freely choose to participate in its perpetuation and preservation.
That’s the really hard part of building a mass white preservationist movement -persuading “unenlightened” white people that they are part of a worthy and meritorious race that should be saved from the extinction plotted for it. As paradoxical as it may appear to the “race purists,” excluding and anathematizing as a matter of inflexible WN “principle” whites who are in relationships with non-whites will not have any but a negligible effect on race-mixing, and will (I maintain) perversely alienate other whites not in interracial relationships who should be the object of white preservationist efforts at persuasion. For some here, though, the opportunity appears too bewitching (and much too easy) to try to lord it over their “heretical” fellow whites by comically “expelling” them from a movement that has yet to show any signs of impacting the consciousness of the broad mass of white Americans.
Hi AngloCelt Francophile -
Well, the extreme West of Germany is an interesting example. There is likely a fairly strong admixture with Mediterranean French genes due to the borders changing various times with France throughout its history. Also, many Germans from the agricultural east settled in the industrialized west looking for work, especially in the Ruhr (ever hear of the Ruhrpolen?).
I know what you mean overall, however, with the look of many Germans. I myself have been to Berlin and Frankfurt-am-Main, and have noticed that the Nordic look was not seemingly common — it was definitely evident, just not common.
I think that as many race realist men have written, many Germans, on average, are a Nordic-Alpine mix. Again, this was due to the Slavs and Baltic peoples settling within Germany due to drastic population losses, particularly with the disastrous Thirty Years War.
And these people are completely German! German culture did a really good job of assimilating various European peoples: Evidence the magnificent Königreich Preußen — The Kingdom of Prussia — where many of its original inhabitants were of Slavic and Baltic descent.
Since the German Ost was very rural, it was further in need of additional people to help settle and develop it. Frederick encouraged Europeans from many lands to come and help build the state during the Deutsche Ostsiedlung (March to the East).
“It means that it was possible for an agricultural state of few millions of inhabitants, on a small territory, without a fleet or direct maritime commerce, and with comparatively little manufacturing industry, to maintain, in some respects, the position of a great European power. Truly amazing.”
“The army was magnificent. Frederick had devised Europe’s first-ever battle-scale maneuvers in 1743, which gave his generals invaluable peacetime experience in directing large scale bodies of troops.” (Duffy - “Instrument of War” Vol I p 117)
Thanks to Der Große König, Friedrich der Große [Frederick the Great], the province of Brandenburg-Prussia was turned into a major European and world power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvPVDJbbZ7E&feature=related
Even northern Italians came and settled in Berlin, with a distinguished soldier by the name of Georg Leo Graf von Caprivi de Caprera de Montecuccoli (there is a name for you) becoming the second Deutscher Reichskanzler (chancellor) of the recently united German Reich following Otto von Bismarck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_von_Caprivi
So much for German/Prussian “intolerance”!
I understand your broader point, ACF, and it is well-taken. I completely agree with your sober point that, to qoute you “a completely materialistic way of looking at racial purity just rubs me the wrong way. Of course genetics is a big part, but so is what a person’s mind and soul does with those genetics.”
How true!
I think what Frederick accomplished with his state and kingdom has conclusively shown what you say is indeed correct, that men of high character and integrity can, and indeed do, make excellent citizens and patriots for their country and people. Regardless of their particular ethnic ancestries, they all possessed the “merit and soul” of the European race, and the Teutonic people.
Good dialogue with you, mein bruder!
Glückliches Ostern - Les Pâques Heureux
In fact people like Zorba_the_Geek, and your Derbyshires (if he actually does consider himself WN) will repel white women away from our cause.
What self-respecting white woman would agree that she should stay away from blacks, while her brothers be all over Asian women like white on rice?
Without the support of white women (and decent white men who will not stand for hypocrisy), our cause will go no where.
Yet Zorba_the_Geek has the temerity to describe me and people who think like me as “close minded prigs” that would send WN to its “doom.”
No Zorba: it is hypocrites like you, and white men who put momentary lustful passions above the survival of our race, who are the true enemies of our people - even more so than the average unreflective liberal.
To AngloCelt Francophile, regarding:
“John, one time, AS AN EXPERIEMENT, I wrote an e-mail to an extreme WN group, an told them I had a SMALL ADMIXTURE (estimated 4%, not more than 10%) of Oriental genetics, as revealed by my DNA test, but I would like to join. They did not want me to be in their group (I did admire their adherence to their own standards!) as they only took 100% purebloods, not mongrels of any type!”
ACF, you are playing with a whole new ball of string here, but I do get where you are coming from. Yes, there are utterly deranged fanatics in our movement who would write off anyone as “nonwhite,” whose ancestry is not north of the Danube, and totally excludes those to the east of the Oder and west of the Rhine. I am, however, not one of them; I have been open about my ancestry her at AR, since I stared commenting at the website in 2004.
I am half Slavic: Byelorussian, Ukrainian, and possibly Russian; I am also half Western European: Irish, French, English, Scot, and German. If that isn’t an ethnic salad to be despised by the “Nordic purists,” well then, I do not know what is. They can accept me or reject me for all I care, that is not why I write here. I write here because I am a confident American white man who is determined to see his: people, culture, and civilization preserved. In short, what others think of that self-imposed status, is of no real concern to me.
Nor should it be any of yours, if such fools think less of you my friend ACF!
To Matthew J, regarding:
“John Derbyshire is simply a race realist - like Steve Sailer he recognizes racial differences in ability, and believes these to be mainly genetic.
But he is not a white preservationist. His views, I believe, are more or less follow Sailer’s ‘citizenist’ approach.”
And right there you are hitting the nail on the head about those two!
Look, it is all well and good that they recognize and even work for the preservation of Western Civilization, but they are not white preservationists. They cannot be, since they (for all of their writings about genetic interests/imperatives) have embraced multiculturalism as their choice ideology via reproduction. They may decry and reject all of its Marxist and anti-white dictums in theory, but they have embraced them at a biologically practical level. What I think it all boils down to for them (and the link to that Sailer article does reinforce this,) is that they want their racially mixed offspring to be accepted as nominal whites for all their virtues of thought, and not the vices of their actions.
Or put another way, they want a “right wing” multiculturalism and not a left wing version of it.
The best to you both,
John PM!
Come on folks, when will you learn that the only race is of Human origin? Why is it that some are still caught up on the subject of black/white relationships. Grow up and realize that character is the more important issue. Can’t you see that a country divided against it self will never prosper? Europe along with other countries are way ahead of the US when it comes to this subject. This is so childish and just plain stupid. Interracial relationships will never go away because of any particular personal opinion so suck it up. If you don’t like it then find yourself some far away island and create a colony of separatist like yourself. Then you can all sit around and see what other kind of divisive opinions you could come up with since it seems that some folks are simply bent on ignorance and refuse to grow up. Some of these post seem to come from people who are still living in the dark ages.
One another note, wonder what some white male ancestors were thinking when they tip toed to the slave cabin in order to rape a black woman who wanted nothing to do with him. Back then I’m sure they’re no blacks wanting anything to do with whites so who was at fault then. It is because of those actions so many African Americans have mixed blood today. They don’t like to acknowledge it because they are ashamed of that part of their heritage. Would you blame then, I sure couldn’t. Ugly is what ugly does.
Thankyou both, Mr. Leader and John PM!
Your writing styles are quite similar, quite similar.
“As I am already weary of pointing out, reductionist “race purists” who look as the white race as a bundle of haplotypes are missing the forest for the trees. White people aren’t going to have their racial consciousness raised by obiter dicta about alphabet soup genetics.”
That’s just it Zorba; an Asian is not any more white than a Zulu is. As white men, we don’t judge WM/AW couples as harshly as BM/WF couples, but white woman might, in the agregate, say the opposite. Besides, I doubt any of us would be happy to see our fair eyed daughters in relationships with “Tahaka Fukodome.”
Fortunately or unfortunately, the Goose vs. Gander thing makes a lot of sense.
“Yes, there are utterly deranged fanatics in our movement who would write off anyone as “nonwhite,” whose ancestry is not north of the Danube, and totally excludes those to the east of the Oder and west of the Rhine. I am, however, not one of them;…”
Don’t worry too much about these types. Most of them are cranks (at the very least) and next to NOBODY takes them all that seriously.
They also could be agent provacateurs, so be wary.
“One [on, instead of one?] another note, wonder what some white male ancestors were thinking when they tip toed to the slave cabin in order to rape a black woman who wanted nothing to do with him. Back then I’m sure they’re no blacks wanting anything to do with whites so who was at fault then. It is because of those actions so many African Americans have mixed blood today. They don’t like to acknowledge it because they are ashamed of that part of their heritage. Would you blame then, I sure couldn’t. Ugly is what ugly does.”
EverydayPeople: Do you have any evidence to support that? I was actually under the impression that that was actually rare. Although I am sure it happened, I have a feeling that its occurrence is greatly exaggerated.
Also, regarding your first paragraph: Your fallacy does not pass muster. In the early-mid 20 Century, commonly accepted science made it obvious Blacks are not a different species. We all have now accepted that all Humans are the same species. You would be correct that this is progress. However, with scientific trends, you are actually “behind” us. Once the Far-Left is symbolically overthrown, racial differences will be proved. And Society will accept the idea that, though we are the same species, we still have different branches of races and sub-specieses. We are fortunately out of one extreme; now, we will get out of the other extreme, and be in the correct middle.
Within a generation, many will tell those of your racial opinion to get “with the times.”
Princeton University recently did a study of online dating (source: free Yahoo personal ads); and the studies authors discovered that white women were LESS interested in dating outside their race than white men are, and by a considerable margin. And the white women who were open to dating black men were the less-well educated. Kind of encouraging, I think.
Proof in in the pudding people.http://racialreality.110mb.com/tatc.html
“Thankyou both, Mr. Leader and John PM!”
Who is “Mr. Leader”?
Sardonicus and whiteraven, you might be interested in consulting the Wiki article on “Indo-Aryan migrations” http://tinyurl.com/d8mywv
I think it safe to say that the “Out of India” scenarios for some kind of eternal autochthonous Indian race, propounded with such fervor by some on this thread, are informed by Hindu religious fanaticism, not historical, linguistic, or scientific evidence.
Posted by Zorba_the_Geek at 10:58 PM on April 25
Zorba the Geek,
Nice try with the character assasination.
The reason that India is home to only one branch of
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/rig/ch6.htm
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/rig/ch7.htm
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/rig/ch5.htm
As a continuation to my above post about
El Caudillo, would be Mr. Leader or The Leader by translation from Spanish to English, Posted by Anonymous at 1:20 AM on April 28.
John PM.
The reason that India is home to only one branch of
—-Posted by Dr. Suresh at 1:34 AM on April 28
Where’s your evidence for this, Suresh-ji? A Hindu religious text? And yet you’re not a Hindu religious fanatic?
linguistic evidence shows that there is a language
This assertion has not been authoritatively established by any means. You’re referring to claims made by Claus-Peter Zoller in the 1980’s that he had “discovered” that one dialect of one language in the Pahari group of Indic languages was a centum instead of a satem language. That claim was debunked by field studies by George Van Driem and Suhnu Sharma (although Zoller continues to maintain his claims). http://tinyurl.com/dfjcma Besides, evidence of traces of centum strata in one Indic language, even if valid, do not bear compareison with the proto-historical linguistic diversity of Indo-European languages that demonstrably existed (outside of Hindu religious sutras, I mean) in areas well to the north and west of India.
That is the situated in a geographical area
Oh? What about the Mitanni then? Take a look at the map here: http://tinyurl.com/2633br Does that look like Pakistan to you?
Another logical fallacy you made, Zorba, is the appeal
Nonsense, Suresh-ji, a man, whose only references to support his arguments are to Hindu religious works and Hindu religious sites, dares to remonstrate with this gora about “arguments from authority”? Besides, there is no fallacy involved in simply arguing that the assertion made by an authority such as Edwin Bryant is true - the fallacy only arises when it is claimed or implied that the authority is infallible in principle and can hence be exempted from criticism, as for example your Hindu religious texts.
“Peter:
“Exactly. Thank you. I think some of our posters suffer from an affliction that psychologist have a name for.
“It is a syndrome that conditions people to beleive what they want to believe regardless of reality.
“The fact is that anyone supposedly racially conscious person who dates outside their race is a hypocrite.”
Beverly, it is called COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.
Gen X in Oz:
The fact is that we do not need lukewarm, uncertain, or phony member in the movement. Period.
True, comitted racially conscious Whites are our only viable option.
Anonymous of 1:20 AM on April 28:
First, I hope that my comment breaks the 200 comment mark! That’s quite a showing—more than 200 comments.
Second, even though I am now studying French, for a time two-years hence when I hope to return to the magical city of Paris, I did look up the Spanish “El Caudillo” in an online Spanish dictionary, and the meaning given was “the leader.”
I added the “Mr.”
A tout a l’heure, Monsieur Anonyme!
I suppose these are some good examples of the reality of interracial “relationships”:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/ tol…icle5119906.ece
http://www.birminghammail.net/ne…97319-22240836/
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/ tol…ticle571248.ece
Notice that all the alleged killers of these English women are described in the most vaguest of terms — ‘a male, age 20’ for example.
So you know what THAT means.
“If you don’t like it then find yourself some far away island and create a colony of separatist like yourself.”
Why don’t you do the same with your deluded, utopian fanatics — and your envious, malcontent ‘friends’?
Oops, I forgot, you “guys” already tried…
I believe the name of your ‘Potemkin Village’ was JONESTOWN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
Indians and light skinned
Not necessarily RN that is my point. There has been intermixture in the upper classes over thousands of years but less in the lower castes. The lower castes have remained predominately very dark. Many of the remaining lighter skinned people are in the higher castes.
“You need to see these actresses offstage
The evidence for the Indian tribal migrations
As for the Mittani, note carefully that the
Here is the reason why Zoller sticks to his
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pehook/bangani.zoller.html
Hope to hear from you.
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