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Korean Students Largest Ethnic Group in US for Three Years

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Park Si-soo, Korea Times (Seoul), February 3, 2009

The number of Korean students in the United States hit a record high of 110,000 last year, the largest foreign students’ group there for three years in a row, a U.S. immigration office said Tuesday.

According to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), a total of 110,083 Koreans were staying in America on a student visa as of the end of last year, accounting for 15.2 percent of 722,272 foreign students there.

The office said the 6.5 percent rise in the number of Korean students in 2008 was the lowest in four years, compared with double-digit increases between 2005 and 2007.

Indian students formed the second largest ethnic group with around 100,000 members, followed by Chinese, Japanese and Canadians, ICE said.

Business administration was the most sought-after subject among foreign students, with more than 145,800 students selecting it as their major.

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Email Park Si-soo at pss@koreatimes.co.kr.

(Posted on February 5, 2009)

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1 — Bobby wrote at 8:25 PM on February 5:

Koreans, as far as the things I have read goes, are the most notorious of overseas people, who overstay their visa’s or have women who come here “on vacation”, pregnant, just in time to have a legal U.S. resident, followed by a citizen. We have become a nation of people who has truly dropped the ball in how little we care about what goes on in our own country. We don’t even know ninety-five percent of what goes on. Is multiculturalism the reason? Probably.

2 — Reader-1 wrote at 8:59 PM on February 5:


My impression of Koreans is positive. As a group, they seem to be willing to work very hard and to focus on what they want.

Given the small size of Korea, it is a bit impressive that they manufacture semiconductors and automobiles. Can you name a country smaller than Korea which sells cars in the U.S.?

3 — Mike wrote at 8:59 PM on February 5:

“Koreans, as far as the things I have read goes, are the most notorious of overseas people, who overstay their visa’s or have women who come here “on vacation”, pregnant, just in time to have a legal U.S. resident, followed by a citizen.”

There are actually agencies in Korea that help Koreans wishing to have a baby in America. Guam for a long time was a popular destination (might still be). It’s rumored (and highly likely) that there are certain doctors and others on the payroll who assist in making this happen.

The irony in allowing all these Koreans in to the country, is that for a supposed “developed country”, Korea is one of the most racist, bigoted places I have ever had the displeasure of living in - and I am a nationalist and open to freedom of speech and opinion and tolerant to what others would call “racist talk”. Even for me it was too much.

4 — Leonard Martinez wrote at 10:28 PM on February 5:

None of these Koreans will be going back to where they belong. I taught ESL for over 20 years and you can take my word on it.

5 — aequus animus wrote at 10:46 PM on February 5:

I don’t have a problem with Northeast Asians immigrating to the West. They are overrepresented in Universities, have the lowest crime rates and there is no reason to worry about assimilation as they are generally very clannish and tend to segregate themselves. Even if there was a large influx of Northeast Asians it would have little effect on European culture. Besides, Asian girls are really cute.

6 — Anonymous wrote at 10:55 PM on February 5:

“Koreans, as far as the things I have read goes, are the most notorious of overseas people,”

I haven’t read about this and I know mostly of their students who go back home. I’m a graduate student in CA.

7 — Anonymous wrote at 10:55 PM on February 5:

I knew Korean exchange students when I went to college. They sent one to tranfer to a college in North Dakota, I believe. North or S Dakota or Wyoming - I think Dakota. “When you come back, you will be as America as someone from ‘Springfield’” they said. Sure enough, when he came back his English was nearly perfect. Pretty good anyway. It was almost embarrassing. He spoke in a pretty deep voice and was pretty loud anyway. I’m sure borderline obnoxious to another Korean.

Asians claim we are near to monkeys and talk like cows, through our nose. They can immitate this quite well. Frankly, I don’t blame them for sometimes thinking of us in this way. Poor little guys.

8 — generalquamyer wrote at 1:04 AM on February 6:

When I was in the army, it was common knowledge that the dumbest of the dumb married Korean women. They are the most cynical human beings imaginable, picking out and wooing suckers to obtain Green Cards and military hospital privileges for various family members.

Then, once established in the Land of Plenty, they dump the chumps.

Very unpleasant people, unless they want something from you.

9 — PhilipL wrote at 3:31 AM on February 6:

I may be biased (laugh), but foreign students, from my experience as a college grad here in SoCal, seem to be a net plus. They tend to major in the hard sciences and technology, crucial subjects which many American kids avoid, seeking easier pickings. I would rather focus on the obvious here. China and India make sense, both have huge populations. South Korea and Japan are far smaller, though. And where are the Nigerians and Kenyans? Canada is next door, but so is Mexico. One sends students, the other busboys. Lets ask why.

10 — Walrus wrote at 6:45 AM on February 6:

Frankly, I’ll take the Koreans over many, many other people. Koreans will not be sitting on the front steps of your building when you go home at night. Koreans will not blast music in the parking lot of your building at night. Koreans will not leave Newport butts and Phillie blunt cigar guts all over your front steps. Koreans will quietly go about their business. I do not like immigration, but, if we must have immigrants, I’ll take the Asian ones over most others.

11 — Anonymous wrote at 7:29 AM on February 6:

Bobby, it’s NOT us! Our government just doesn’t listen to us,. we have no choice. Freedom is just an illusion in the country. I’ve read the posts on my main page about that woman having all those kids. Maybe 1%, the crackpots, support her. Even the Californians are angry knowing she will be on welfare and they will support her. A small minority of liberals are in control. (liberals read “socialists”). California is bankrupt NOW. The taxpayers are fleeing California. I just hope that they don’t ruin the areas they move to.

12 — Jupiter wrote at 7:46 AM on February 6:

There is no economic,ecological,cultural and most importantly of all demographic reason for importing LEGAL immigrant Koreans into OUR America. Native Born White Ameicans will do quite well without the Koreans.

13 — Anonymous wrote at 11:36 AM on February 6:

“I may be biased (laugh), but foreign students, from my experience as a college grad here in SoCal, seem to be a net plus”.

Foreign students come to the USA to party. At least, that’s what those in the rest of the world think! The USA is a nice place to vacation to I would imagine.

14 — MoMo wrote at 1:16 PM on February 6:

Koreans are a small, hard, and smart lot. You will notice that when there are riots the blacks typically avoid going into the Korean areas to loot and burn. These guys carry guns and they fight!

If one were to weigh the positives vrs. the negatives for a race, one would find that with respect to the Koreans the benefits far out weigh the costs. With respect to blacks, one would find the costs far out weighing the benefits.

If every black were replaced by a Korean this country would dramatically improve in every area [save perhaps entertainment and professional sports- since most Koreans aren’t going to grow to 6’7”, 350 pounds, have an 80 I.Q., and run the 40 in 4.8.

Furthermore, I’ve never heard of affirmative action for Asians. I have heard that Berkeley has a cap on the number of Asian admissions. Perhaps someone can educate me further on this?

I would prefer this country being white, but if that is impossible my preference would be as follows:

1. Whites
2. Northern Asians
3. Southern Asians
4. Middle Easterners
5. India Indians and Pakistanians
6. Hispanics
7. American Indians
8. Blacks [including those partial blacks from anywhere].

MoMo

15 — Schoolteacher wrote at 1:41 PM on February 6:

The Koreans that come to this country, like the Chinese, are not typical. Their governments do not try to unload their dullards and riff raff on the U.S. Both countries see an advantage in having a intelligent, well-behaved group of their own people settled in this country. These “model minorities” won’t steal your car or rob your bank, but they will become hardworking, high achieving, pillars of the community, with unquestioned integrity. This allows them to work on behalf of their own nation without arousing the sort of antagonism that hordes of ignorant Mexicans do.
Some of them will be outright spies, loading up discs with technical data and passing it on to their chiefs. Others will work politically to ensure that our foreign policy favors their homeland, and to see that their people vote for the candidate who bows lowest. Most of them, whatever their position, will seek to promote their countrymen, and will serve as gatekeepers to exclude any White who gives them the slightest indication of racial consciousness or opposition to immigration. This last category requires no special training. Just as any WN in a position to affect the careers of others would derail someone they knew to be an enemy of our race, so will every Oriental try to get rid of any White who seems unwilling to submit to multicultural dogma.
The only acceptable place for non-Whites in a White society is a subordinate place, enforced by law and social custom. Were I to move to Korea, I would expect and accept my own subordination, and would despise any White who chafed under the situation. Their house, their rules. Our house, our rules.

16 — Jupiter wrote at 2:04 PM on February 6:

As usual some people who post here-This is a white nationalist web site-have an asian obsession. More specifically, they have no problem with replacing Native Born White Americans in California, NJ and other places in America with LEGAL immigrant asians. One poster justified this because1)White Americans don’t want to study engineering and science and2)He thinks asian girls are cute.

If aequeous,philip and warlus prefer asians to Native Born White Americans, they should pack their bags and move to Korea. WE don’t want to become a White minority in the towns cities and states we live in.

Native Born White youth are avoiding the engineering and science fields because if the went into these fields, at some point in time they will be replaced by asian immigrants.

And by the way, Why do these asianphiles feel that Native Born White youth should be forced to compete with the offspring of Korean immigrants for the entrance into a decent American University? Let us be honest, the sentiment behind this preference is quite nasty. I put it in the Treason category.

How did Native Born White Americans ever survive without Koreans and other asian groups?Quite well thank you.

There is no economic argument for the race replacement of Native Born White Americans with asian LEGAL immigrants and at the hands of asian LEGAL immigrants. It is a completely fraudulent “argument” that is a cover for some very nasty and malignant intentions towards Native Born White Americans. It is based upon the following lie:Native Born White Americans would be worse off if the post-1965 asians weren’t here in America.Asians aren’t doing Native Born White Americns any favors by being here.

To Peter Brimelow:the size of the post-1965 asian population in America is not extremely tiny as you stated two weeks ago. Asians in America have already a very strong beachhead, and the beachhead has begun to expand over the dunes and into the US Congress. The India policy group owns over 150 members of the “US” congress.

Obviously I should have used are instead of is in my earlier post in this thread.

17 — I wrote at 6:04 PM on February 6:

I bet some of the older AmReners would change their tune about asian immigration if they were 25-35 and in accounting, engineering, medicine and looking for a promotion.

18 — Anonymous wrote at 7:22 PM on February 6:

Jupiter, you don’t need to get so upset. Most indifferent posters on this article know that there aren’t that many Koreans and they can’t flood the US much less replace whites. Koreans are just not a priority.

19 — Anonymous wrote at 7:48 PM on February 6:

Please be assured that virtually all Korean international students head home when they finish their education.

I know a Korean man who majored computer science from York University in Toronto and his GPA was good enough to allow him to go for further education after undergraduate, he also helped his professor with the professor’s research, and when he finished his undergraduate, he left Canada. The only way, or the most clear way for him or any international student to have permission to stay in Canada is to gain a job related to his education within 3 months following graduation. He tried everything he could, sent out 100 resumes and he had two interviews, and he ended up not getting a job and he left Canada. He is very fluent in Cantonese and is currently working in Hong Kong. I had a deep respect for him and it broke my heart… but I am also glad he started a fine career over there. he seems to be happy there.

20 — Reporting from Los Angeles wrote at 9:45 PM on February 6:

MoMo - Asians are only compared to other Asians when it comes to University admissions. They do work hard, study, apply themselves - and - when it comes to admitting an Asian or white with equal or even much of the time if the white has better credentials, the Asian will get the nod. The schools will not even argue this. Top white students are shuttled off to UCI, UCB, UCD etc with a small number allowed to UCLA, Berkeley etc right off the bat. The number of qualified Asians is higher by percentage, but in raw numbers, there are not as many qualified Asians as there are whites. So whites get the short end. In point of fact, at Harvard, E. Asians and Jewish students are actually admitted at three times the rate they would be if grades and test scores were the only criteria, so non-Jewish whites get the short end. I believe the Jewish white kids are out in the cold like everyone else in the UC system however. It’s almost as if certain colleges have decided to keep whites at 15% - 25% of the overall student body, bending and twisting requirements, providing silly rationalizations to make it look as if there’s no discrimination against whitey. The deck is stacked against whites when it comes to non-whites getting favored treatment. It’s just the treatment is in different areas depending on the groups. Asians are smart although absolutely lacking in creativity (a lifetime of being in school with them and working with them has over and over proved that stereotype to be true to me) but they do not belong here anymore than the legal and illegal mestizas pumping out baby after baby for welfare checks and food stamps. Let them enrich their own countries.

By the way, a miniscule number of Korean international students head home after they finish their education, at least here in the US. They are now more notorious than the Taiwanese for getting a job in the US, promising to take care of their parents if allowed to “bring them over”, and then promptly dumping them on SSI etc once the old folks get off the plane. Then they laugh at the “stupid Americans”. I know, I’ve seen it, and they’ve said such to me. Of course they back off if I start to tell them they’d better watch their mouths. They are hot-tempered actually, but just blowhards. We don’t need them. They say they don’t need us, so let them prove it.

21 — Mike wrote at 9:53 PM on February 6:

“Koreans will not blast music in the parking lot of your building at night. Koreans will not leave Newport butts and Phillie blunt cigar guts all over your front steps. Koreans will quietly go about their business.”

You have obviously never lived in Korea! I’m sure they tone it down a bit when they go to other countries, but they are one of the noisiest, most obnoxious people I’ve come across, who even rival the Chinese in that regard. Making a racket at 3am? Totally normal.

22 — rational thinker wrote at 10:31 PM on February 6:

I cant believe so many people champion this. These people are caught stealing information for their home countries all the time. These people also send money home to their native countries. Some where between 20-30 billion reach Asia from AMERICA.

And this is what you people want. No wonder why your country is going down the drain. There to many idiots who support their own displacement.

23 — Anonymous wrote at 10:32 PM on February 6:

Even if they don’t mug me or play blaring loud music, I don’t see what’s so “good” about being displaced by Asians.

24 — Anglokraut wrote at 11:31 PM on February 6:

My best friend is Korean, and he and I were talking about Affirmative Action, racism, and the fact that he is possibly the laziest, goofiest, most Westernized Asian on this planet, yet teachers still assume that he is quiet, serious, and studious. When I clarified that I’m not attracted to Asian men, he said “I know you aren’t; only White guys get Yellow Fever.” I can understand his anger too: I was once romantically replaced by an Asian girl, because the guy (who I really liked) had a thing for Asians, and felt that he and I weren’t really going out. Classy.

25 — Anonymous wrote at 12:11 AM on February 7:

The Korean students who come here, are not violent gang bangers, rapists, or drug smugglers. They are students seeking a better education and thus a better life. That alone is more noble than the illegal mexicans who come here to pick fruit and never learn the language. North East Asians also do well in school and do not commit as much crime as blacks and latinos. They help America far more then they harm it.

Koreas education system is notorious for being rote, uncreative, and stressful. So stressful that Korean students regularly commit suicide each for scoring low on a exam. Korea has to have the worst education system in the world. Their system is so bad that they have to come to the US of all places to learn.

26 — Anonymous wrote at 12:57 AM on February 7:

Koreans study abroad because a high school education there is almost the equivalent of being a college graduate in the USA. How hard will it be?

27 — realist wrote at 4:14 AM on February 7:

Koreans are not loud as compared to some other groups. I’ve been to Korea and people are generally orderly and considerate. The Japanese are more orderly but Korea was safe and comfortable for a Westerner. I am not sure what some of these people are talking about? I wish our public transportation system would be as clean and efficient as in Korea. Let’s work on dealing with other issues, not wasting time on people who are generally well behaved, smart, and hard working. Whatever the Korean immigrant is accused of abusing, some other groups will do it many times worse.

28 — MoMo wrote at 8:00 AM on February 7:

To: Reporting from L.A.

From: MoMo

Thank you for your response. I had to read over it several times to understand it. For a moment, I got the feeling I was reading a Supreme Court decision. You are obviously bright and write well. Apparently what the various universities everywhere are looking for is a “student pie” with as diverse ingredients as possible.

Back before the moon was created, I was in several graduate level math courses with primarily Asians. I remember one, which was very loosely referred to as “problems in real analysis” in which there were, I believe, four students in the class, three of whom were Asian: a Chinese and two Japanese. The professor, albeit unbelievably bright, was a tiny Korean man who had a penchant for three piece black suits, Chesterfield cigarettes, and “training his liver!”

Neither before nor after have I ever been in an environment where the competition was so absolutely ferocious - never! The Japanese hated each other almost as much as they did the Chinese. Since I was viewed as a non threat [until I did well on the mid-term] I would study daily with the one of the Japanese. When I became a threat, she no longer returned my calls.

I don’t think that I have ever finished number one in anything that I have ever done. That’s O.K. The challenge is in the process not the end. I have no problem with people who work hard and achieving. I do have problems with people, primarily blacks, who receive unfair political and financial assistance due solely to the color of their skin.

And, it is always to the blacks advantage too, isn’t it. I particularly enjoy those politicians that say that our society should be as fair as professional sports: i.e. football and basketball — where there is no affirmative action mainly because the genetics of speed, agility, and strength favor blacks. If affirmative action applied to sports no more than 13% of NBA and NFL teams would be black.

But, in areas where intelligence favor whites we have affirmative action and the fiction that although there may be differences physically between the races there are no differences intellectually. Furthermore, I think that any university who has to utilize “other” considerations [even sports] for admittance is blatantly discriminating against someone in the process! Just exactly how many black Duke basketball players could have gotten into to Duke without their ability to bounce a ball?

I agree with you that Asians lack the innovative qualities that European whites have long had. I think it may be due to the fact that their societies are so crammed, jammed, full of people that no one can stand out! I have heard that during W.W.II the Americans, the Germans, and the Japanese were all on the verge of developing the atomic bomb. I’m quite sure with the brain pool that hangs out here, someone knows the answer as to who had it first and who copied who?

Thanks again, I’ve often wondered about that,

MoMo

p.s. I finished fourth in the class but I could throw a football at least thirty yards further than could any other student [two of whom were girls].

29 — S & GS wrote at 8:53 AM on February 7:

My take on this issue falls somewhere between the two extremes of the Asiaphile view, which emphasizes the low crime, strong work ethic, and availability of female Asian companionship and the opposite one seeing Koreans and other Asians as nothing but diabolical plotters trying to bring down white society.

IF in the US there was no Affirmative Action, no welfare, no coddling of immigrants and English as the official language I might feel that a certain amount of regulated legal immigration from Korea and elsewhere would be alright. Under the current exploitable system this is not the case. Asians can and do qualify for AA although they may not need and use it as much as other groups. A treasure trove of SBA loans are available for recent Asian immigrants.

On the other hand I wouldn’t call all Asian behavior sneaky or devious. A better term may be strategic. Koreans want to learn American English and American culture for two reasons. One, the Asian Tiger economy is export driven and there is a need to know American wants so products may be produced to satisfy these wants. Secondly, I do believe that to many Asians and other foreigners America is still somewhat of a Beacon on a Hill. We do have a certain amount of freedom and an allowance for individuality that other nations do not have.

30 — Jupiter wrote at 11:18 AM on February 7:

Anonymous at 7:48 on Feb 6

There are towns and schools systems across America-NJ-where Koreans are the racial majority, and they are throwing their weight around. NJ is very likely to have a Korean “American” governor in the near future. A seat at a medical school is a scarce resource. The prescence of Koreans in America has made access to medical school much more difficult for Native Born White Youth. Dental school used to be much less difficult to get into in the 90s and 80s. A 3.5 would get you in. These days, it takes a 3.9 average to get into dental school. I used to take my dying brother to a dental clinic at a local university. There were an enormous number of asian students-five foot two young asian “American” women with tiny hands- in the dental program. So obviously, asian “American” youth have made acceptance to Dental schools much more difficult for Native Born White youth(young White Males in particular)

So without out a doubt, the prescence of Korean “Americans” in America is not without significant consequences for Native Born White Americans.

Also, it is much more difficult in general to get into a decent college these days because of the number of applicants applying. Asian “American” youth are without a major factor in making it more difficult for Native Born White Youth to get into decent universities and colleges.

The asians have already established a beachhead in OUR America and have gone over the dunes and cliffs. Now is the time to repel the asian invasion. It will be much more difficult when there are 50 million asians in OUR America.

31 — Conan wrote at 4:18 PM on February 7:

“football and basketball — where there is no affirmative action mainly because the genetics of speed, agility, and strength favor blacks.”

It never fails to amaze me how otherwise intelligent whites are blinded by this nonsense.

Check out castefootball.us

32 — Hapalong Cassidy wrote at 7:32 PM on February 7:

Sure, Asians do not get affirmative action. But that doesn’t mean Whites aren’t adversely affected, especially in education. In the past most states used to put a cap on the number of Asians admitted into universities, until they wised up and started complaining. Now, they are pretty much held to the same admission standards as Whites. Which is fine and dandy, if you eliminate affirmative action for ALL groups. The problem is that Blacks and Hispanics still qualify for affirmative action in many of those states and have lower admission standards. So when they removed the caps for Asians, they couldn’t reduce the number of Blacks and Hispanics to make up for the greater number of Asians (which would have made sense). But they could reduce the number of Whites. As usual, the Whites were the ones left with the short end of the stick.

33 — MoMo wrote at 8:28 PM on February 7:

Conan:

Check out rivals.com with particularity the University of Alabama which it considers to have the best incoming class of potential collegiate football players. Although I haven’t pulled up their pictures, I can guarantee you that of the twenty seven players at least twenty one are black. You think this is just an accident?

I’ve played the game; its not an accident!

MoMo

34 — Conan wrote at 10:43 PM on February 7:

If you actually read castefootball you’d find that dominant white highschool football players are denied scholarships to to DIV 1 and even DIV 2 Universities.

It is not an accident, it’s a deliberate system to cut down the number of whites in the NFL. Just like they are trying to cut down the number of whites in baseball by flooding it with drug bloated Mestizos.

Check the records at NFL combines - whites hold a lot of the records from strength and speed, yet are forbidden from playing at runningback and cornerback.

35 — Anonymous wrote at 11:06 PM on February 7:

Jupiter,

Calm down. Let’s pretend that the medical schools or dental schools are 10% “Polish-American”. Should we be concerned about how these Poles are taking seats away from Americans? No. Of course not. So I don’t see why we should be so concerned that Chinese or Koreans are matriculating into med/dental schools as long as they are Americans.

I don’t doubt they will become Americans.

36 — Anonymous wrote at 11:16 AM on February 8:

“I don’t see why we should be so concerned that Chinese or Koreans are matriculating into med/dental schools as long as they are Americans.”

We have to be concerned for them. Think, man. This constitutes a serious ‘brain-drain’ with deadly repercussions back in the home countries. Don’t take my word for it. Look at the state of African and much of the third world right now. Whites definitely do not need this guilt hanging over their heads, too. No, staffing the West with the creme of third world talent could not be more evil. Western societies will just have to find a way to exist on their own.

37 — Jupiter wrote at 11:40 AM on February 8:

Anonymous

This may come as a shock to you, but this is a White Nationalist website. That is to say, a web site dedicated to looking after the interests of Euro-Americans. Being an American is not an abtract idea. The world is comprised of different racial- ethnic tribes that each of whom have a blood connection to a particular place. This is the real world. The Liberal abstractions that you are enamoured of are abnormal and have no basis in reality.

The millions of Koreans living in Korea are not interchangeable with the millions of Native Born White Americans living in America. Replace the millions of Native Born White Americans in America with the millions of Asians living in Asia street by street by street,town by town,city by city,state by state and America will no longer exist. This is manifestly obvious. Asians are a different racial-ethnic tribe. They are not US. The Korean “Americans” understand this obvious point.

Post-1965 immigration policy is bringng about the creation of seperate racial-ethnic states wihtin the borders of America. You can see happening right before your eyes. American territory is being colonized by Mexico,China,India, Pakistan and Korea. The resources of American territory being colonized by mexico,india,pakistan,china and korea will only be of benefit to the mexican,korea,pakistan,india and china gene-lines. Native Born White Americans will lose access to these rsources and will be/are the big losers.

The only other times in human history when this kind of thing has happened is when nation invades and occupies another. The different racial-ethnic tribes will always give preference to their own kind.

What is happeneing today in America is a blueprint for violent racial conflict in America.

Liberals are really disgusting evil creatures. There was a pre-existing conflict between the White and black tribes in America. Despite this, the Liberals, with messianic fanaticism, forced many other tribes in to the mix to compete for the scarce resources within the borders of America.

What you are advocating Anon is a patent lie. And I have no doubt that you understand that it is a patent lie.

38 — Anon wrote at 11:42 AM on February 8:

Im sorry but Im with Jupiter. People here are either too old to worry about the Asian college threat, blue collar and therefore uneffected by Asians or are romantically linked with an Asian woman.

My father is situation two. He grew up and lived in California for most of his life as an auto mechanic. Mexicans would swarm into the county and take up all of the blue-collar jobs-construction, chef, mechanic etc. He would lament Mexican immigration as awful for “Americans” and would call for them to be replaced with “good hard-working” Chinese instead. This is fine and dandy if you plan to never go to college.

A friend of mine is situation three. He married a woman originally from Hong Kong; solidly middle class and an accountant. Her family is much higher up socio-economically however-nieces and nephews at prestigious colleges, brother in-law is a surgeon with a high salary.

Everyone knows Koreans and other Asians are smarter then White people. With the exception of FOBs(Asians Fresh Off the Boat), marrying a White man is a step down socio-economically and runs the risk of the half White/Asian children being less academically competitive then their full Asian cousins. How would that look? Strikingly similar to White woman-Black man couples-woman is interested in someone more charismatic, “creative,” more sexually appealing.

True, Koreans are not conspiring to ruin America but their establishment as a community here takes White Americans down a peg on the totem pole. I dont think everyone fully comprehends this yet. I am waiting for an Asian version of Amren with Asians pointing out the flaws in White people as its done to Blacks and Hispanics here.

39 — Schoolteacher wrote at 4:57 PM on February 8:

“I don’t doubt they will become Americans.” Anon at 11:06 PM on Feb 7.
They may get American citizenship, but why should they become Americans? Because of the ceaseless propaganda in the schools and all the media, even many Whites have come to despise other Whites. Why would Orientals, who hear the same lies, wish to embrace our culture? If you went to Africa and the Blacks fell on their faces and said “Spit on us, we are dirt”, would you then so admire them and their ways that you’d become like them? Or would you say to yourself, “These people are so pathetic, I’m doing them a favor to rule over them.”? A strong America that had respect for its own culture could put up with a few assimilated minorities, but the weak, self-abasing country that we have become cannot afford to tolerate any foreign exploiters.

40 — Courtney wrote at 10:47 PM on February 8:

I guess I am a little shocked about some of the posts I am reading on here.

“We have to be concerned for them. Think, man. This constitutes a serious ‘brain-drain’ with deadly repercussions back in the home countries. Don’t take my word for it. Look at the state of African and much of the third world right now. Whites definitely do not need this guilt hanging over their heads, too. No, staffing the West with the creme of third world talent could not be more evil. Western societies will just have to find a way to exist on their own. “

This is one of the most insulting posts towards whites that I have seen on here in a long time. The issue here is how these immigrants are hurting (not helping) white countries. White countries have managed to run quite nicely without outside “help” for centuries. As a matter of fact our societies are the most superior in the world (when left to themselves) in a lot of ways. Why is it that Koreans etc… need to come here in the first place instead of staying in their own countries????? We don’t need this “superior” Third World “help” that you speak of. Give me a break. How insulting.

“Everyone knows Koreans and other Asians are smarter then White people. With the exception of FOBs(Asians Fresh Off the Boat), marrying a White man is a step down socio-economically and runs the risk of the half White/Asian children being less academically competitive then their full Asian cousins. How would that look? Strikingly similar to White woman-Black man couples-woman is interested in someone more charismatic, ‘creative,’ more sexually appealing.”

This one is 10 times as insulting as the previous post I listed. Everyone knows Asians are “smarter” than whites? I sure don’t. Asians are by no means all-around “better” than whites; they are just different from us. Sure their IQs are higher but how many Einsteins have they produced? I can’t believe you would use the white/black analogy to compare to the Asian/white issue.


41 — Jupiter wrote at 7:50 AM on February 9:

Anon at 11:02

Asians are not smarter than Whites. America became a scientific and technological power house when the asians were not here in our America. Part of the asian invaders propaganda to justify their colonization of OUR AMERICA is that without asians, Native Born White Americans would just not be able to produce America’s physicians,dentist,engineers,computer programmers and scientists. This is a bold -faced lie and we should not accept it.

I am opposed to all asian immigration. Their should be 0 asian immigrants allowed into America. Some people who have posted in this thread say”Oh come on Jupiter,what is the harm a few thousand asian immigants a year”. Well, when only a few thousand a year came in after 1965, we got several million today and the asian population is growing very rapidly.

During the 1970s when asian LEGAL immigration was on a smaller scale than it is today, several thousand Native Born White families were severely harmed by LEGAL asian immigrants. Asian LEGAL immigrants flooded into the engineering professinal. The CEOs of engineering firms-defense ones in particular-began to replace Native Born White Engineers-many of whom were WW2 and Korean war veterans who had gone to school on the GI bill- with asian LEGAL immigant engineers MY late father, an Irish Catholic and father of seven, was one of the thousands of Native Born White Male victims of LEGAL asian immigration. He was replaced with LEGAL immigrant asians -along with several thousands of other Native Born White males-on two occasions. At a time when their thousands of Native Born White American engineers were out of work, Jimmy Carter flooded America with thousands of LEGAL immigrant engineers. You shouldn’t be schocked that there are chinese and hindu spies in silicon valley these days.

Legal immigrant asians in Ameica bid up the cost of housing and cause a substatnial increase in the property taxes. This is why when asians move in, Native Born White Americans are forced to move out. LEGAL asian immigrants and their gene-line in America inflict their own kind of violence on Native Born White Americans. They are predatory. They do not harbor benign intentions towards Native Born White Americans.

Invasions shoud be stopped before the invaders establish a beachhead. Asians in America are a fifth column from china,pakistan,korea and india. Just wait. When the asians start visiting the great National and State parks in our America, there will be long waiting lists to get into these great National and State parks.


42 — martin_uk wrote at 9:01 AM on February 9:

“Everyone knows Koreans and other Asians are smarter then White people. With the exception of FOBs(Asians Fresh Off the Boat), marrying a White man is a step down socio-economically and runs the risk of the half White/Asian children being less academically competitive then their full Asian cousins.”

What drivel. The psychological differences between whites and Orientals are poorly understood and probably subtle, but that plain facts are that whites have invented and discovered more or less everything worth inventing and discovering, and are still at it. Whites have created the modern world. You have inverted reality. You should have said “Everyone knows whites are smarter than Koreans and Asians”.

43 — Mike wrote at 2:14 PM on February 9:

“Everyone knows Koreans and other Asians are smarter then White people.”

Well if you discount the fact that the Asians were fighting with swords and using sail boats while we had guns and coal powered ships, plus the fact that it took white technology to modernize a few Asian countries even though many of them still live in backwards poverty such as in China and Laos, then yes Asians are superior to us.

And secondly, a white woman or man who marries an Asian is looked down upon. Maybe not as openly as if they were to marry a black, but they are still looked at strangely.

44 — Anon wrote at 6:15 PM on February 9:

The comparison of White man-Asian Woman to the White woman-Black man couple fits perfectly. The woman thinks he is loud, funny, “hip” and very masculine. She probably thinks race is a social construct and doesnt mind marrying down socio-economically. Maybe the Asian woman thinks she has done a good deed-is self-righteous about her relationship as many White women are about being with Black men.

Or maybe not and “female Asian companionship” will dry up once it becomes even clearer college age Asians are now the “new Jews”.

Please people. Take off the blinders and defend our race. Shun intelligent White men or women who decide to intermarry. We need all the smart White children we can get.

Another peeve of mine would be White opposition to gay marriage. Legalizing gay marriage would mean more overwhelmingly middle/upper class White lesbians can use White(usually Nordic) very high IQ sperm donors as fathers.

“Everyone knows whites are smarter then Asians and Koreans?”

Nonsense. Have you been to a college campus, an upscale office building or even your doctor’s office recently? Asian immigrants will soon replace Whites as the professional class and soon as recipients of prestigious prizes such as the Nobel-which many here claim to be the epitome of “creativity.”

No matter how anyone here spins it, the facts remain.

45 — Anonymous wrote at 7:12 PM on February 9:

Well Martin, I’m agnostic about the statement who is smarter than whom but I do think it’s a propagandist trick to say whites have invented everything useful because it ignores most of human history, favoring the more recent centuries.

If you were to ask who shaped the world before the 15th century, I would say the Chinese were the consistent, startling, and accomplished people.

This makes for interesting reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

46 — UCLA Grad wrote at 9:05 PM on February 9:

Asians are able to comprehend, memorize. So they are intelligent in a fashion. They are poor when it comes to anything “off book”. This is why their real world success is nowhere near close to what we see in schools, which basically reward rote memorization. At UCLA the Asian students would blow their collective stacks when a professor would want to surprise everyone and have us do an essay exam instead of multiple choice, which lends itself far more to success based on memorization. So yes, they’re intelligent and I think better than whites on average in computation. But whites seem able to take lots of information and use it to develop ideas, link them for invention. This trait seems to run through a far, far smaller percentage of the Asian population. Especially when you consider how many of them spend hour upon hour studying and cramming.

However, Asians are being helped out in the workplace, in research, etc as not only are whites brainwashed by the anti-white culture that controls DC and the media, but also by the fact that the whites who get around the brainwashing are shut out by Affirmative Action. For instance whites are actively being shut out of research slot by slot, and are finding it harder and harder to receive grants etc as they all go non-whites and others who are “in the loop”.

47 — Jupiter wrote at 10:26 AM on February 10:

Anon at 6:16

Your post expressess the predatory mindset of post-1965asian LEGAL immigrants. The intent is colonization,conquest,economic and racial dispossession of Native Born White Ameicans at the hands of post-1965-LEGAL asian immigrations and their geneline in America

Why should Native Born White Americans be in favor of this?

Post-1965 Legal asian immigrants and their geneline in America do not harbor benign intentions towards Native Born White Americans. They are thoroughly predatory.

LEGAL immigrant asians and their gene-line in America are responsible for the massive deskilling of the Native Born White American population. They are responsible for the destruction of years and years of Native Born White engineering experience and the undermining of developing engineering and medical talent from the Native Born White American youth population.

The CHINESE EXCLUSION ACT was a wonderfull policy that protected the legitimate racial interess of Native Born White Americans for decades.

48 — Worked with lots of Asians wrote at 2:36 PM on February 10:

The Nobel Prize committee is already under heavy pressure from certain lobbies, as some members and ex-members have admitted. They’re already adjusting their “choices” to be more PC. As for Wikipedia, it really shouldn’t be counted as an accurate source of info, especially when it comes to ‘politically sensitive’ topics. For instance, many of the Chinese inventions are based on info which has only been recently “discovered” or “released”. In other words, much of it is as valid as the history books from the Russian Bolsheviks which claimed they invented the airplane, penicillin, etc. For instance, when the body of the “iceman” was found in the Alps years ago, scientists discovered he had been receiving acupuncture for injuries / pain 3000 years before the Chinese “invented” it. So this fact has simply been ignored by the media at large, just like Kenniwick Man for example. This is not to say that the Chinese did not have an advanced ancient culture, they most assuredly did. But the credit given to them goes overboard.

It should also be pointed out that no one thinks or believes whites invented everything. Whites seem to have more potential for imagination and creativity, which is why they have been able to take things farther than other races in so many areas. The folks in charge realize this, and this is why they have subverted white culture(s) and dumbed down schools, attacked white confidence and more while building up the legends, lies and confidence about and in non-whites. Asians do invent, but for their numbers, their level of creative individuals is very small in comparison to whites, whose overall numbers themselves are very small in comparison to Asians, especially when you factor in the numbers of Asian students doing the cram routine ages 5 - 25 in Asia and then toss in those studying overseas in the US and elsewhere. Yet whites routinely produce the lion’s share of huge breakthroughs in many fields. I personally don’t have problems with Asians, I work with them in my field, but they are generally stiff and stilted when it comes to creative thinking, to thinking outside the box. It’s just the way things are as people say.

49 — Schoolteacher wrote at 3:34 PM on February 10:

One of the reasons for all the Orientals in Med school and engineering is that a smart Oriental kid is still not acculturated to American ways. Specifically, a smart White kid might choose to study literature or history, for example. What does American history or literature mean to a Chinese or Korean kid? This also accounts for some of the uninspired Oriental engineers. They’re smart, they study hard, but they’d really rather be doing calligraphy or reading Lao-Tse. They’re really not smarter than we are.

50 — Courtney wrote at 7:55 PM on February 10:

“The comparison of White man-Asian Woman to the White woman-Black man couple fits perfectly. The woman thinks he is loud, funny, ‘hip’ and very masculine. She probably thinks race is a social construct and doesnt mind marrying down socio-economically. Maybe the Asian woman thinks she has done a good deed-is self-righteous about her relationship as many White women are about being with Black men.”

You keep missing the point. You keep throwing this stuff at us assuming that we already agree with you that the gap between Asians and whites is as great as the gap between whites and blacks. If you really examine the facts (as you accuse us of NOT doing), study after study on intelligence shows that the gap in intelligence between whites and Asians is miniscule compared to the gap between blacks and whites.

You don’t even have to examine the facts to realize this; just look at the world around you. It is obvious that Asian societies really aren’t much better than white societies in a lot of ways. It is also obvious that most science and technology has come from white countries. So as stated earlier, even though Asians have slightly higher IQs, the whites have a greater talent of inventing things worth while.

“Well Martin, I’m agnostic about the statement who is smarter than whom but I do think it’s a propagandist trick to say whites have invented everything useful because it ignores most of human history, favoring the more recent centuries.”

He didn’t say whites invented everything; he said most things. Can you really argue against the fact that they have invented MOST things useful?

“If you were to ask who shaped the world before the 15th century, I would say the Chinese were the consistent, startling, and accomplished people.”

I am sick of hearing this garbage. This is a complete misinterpretation of history. What exactly did the Chinese do to “shape the world” as you say before the 15th century?

Were they developing science? No, they may have developed basic technology, but science is an exclusively Western invention. Were they conquering other lands? No, even the Greeks ventured out more than they did (when it comes to actually influencing people). So what exactly do you mean when you say they were “shaping the world”?

All of this aside, it is really irrelevant that the Chinese were “superior” (whatever that means) throughout most of history. The fact remains that basically all science and most math and technology has come from white people. For all those centuries that the Chinese were a mighty civilization, they sure didn’t produce too much.

“This makes for interesting reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

Here is your problem. Please start using a real Encyclopedia.

51 — Michael C. Scott wrote at 8:05 PM on February 10:

As long as US universities are being flooded with foreigners, we should all just be happy it isn’t Middle-Eastern Mohammadans, who are open in their seething hatred of us, our culture and the prosperity we have created for ourselves.

Koreans? Not too bad at all. Be grateful.

As a chemistry undergraduate, I had a Korean lab partner in my instrumental analysis class. He worked hard and pulled his weight in our two-man team. Not every lab partner I’ve had did that.

52 — Anonymous wrote at 9:48 PM on February 10:

“They are poor when it comes to anything “off book”. “

Yes. That must be why the coming thing in big screen televisions, the Organic LED display, is based on the invention of the “fluorescent diode by Eastman Kodak Co’s Ching Tang.” So within a few years, you’ll be switching over from the Japanese invented single-electron gun color TV, through the White-invented plasma and LCD screens, and back to another Asian invention! LOL!

http://ptonline.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_61/iss_11/26_1.shtml

53 — Anonymous wrote at 10:26 PM on February 10:

“For instance, many of the Chinese inventions are based on info which has only been recently “discovered” or “released”. In other words, much of it is as valid as the history books from the Russian Bolsheviks which claimed they invented the airplane, penicillin, etc.”

It seems overboard to call the extent of Chinese inventiveness the creation of communist information commissars. Is there any proof that these claims are being made up?
We have excellent proof for say the large naval expeditions from 15th century China which show an amazing constellation of advanced technology.

54 — Anon wrote at 10:57 PM on February 10:

Francis Galton in his masterpiece “Hereditary Genius” remarked that the most intelligent race would be the Ancient Greeks. The achievements of the Greco-Roman axis are astounding. But where is Greece today?

E. Asians are not smarter b/c of their “inventions”-history has shown that IQ and greatness are not perfectly linear. Are the British or French any smarter then Finns or Poles? E. Asians are smarter because this is what objective reasoning assessments conclude.

Encouraging high-IQ White parents to have more children will reverse this. IQs fluctuate between generations.

55 — Hapalong Cassidy wrote at 11:34 PM on February 10:

Talk about wasted effort. If Jupiter spent a fraction of his energy on articles about the Mexican invasion instead of this fictitious Asian one, he would contribute a lot more, and probably be a lot happier. Maybe I haven’t been paying attention, but does he even post on articles that have nothing to do Asians? I don’t get this weird obsession. It must be something personal.

56 — Anonymous wrote at 12:12 AM on February 11:

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LOL

57 — Bobby wrote at 3:23 AM on February 11:

Courtney 10:47PM Feb8, I agree with you about the absurdity of the statement that, “Everyone knows that Asians are “smarter” than whites.”

Let’s look at two examples that I believe will demolish this assertion.

1) During the 1950’s and 60’s Americans and Russians (white people) were busy competing with each other in something known as the “Space Race”. More than 400,000 Americans, everyone from a machinists to top scientists worked on the Apollo Moon Mission. This was largely at a time, the 1960’s, that America was an overwhelmingly white nation. In other words, we did not need Asians to help us get to the moon. True, we did have the German rocket scientists of WW2 heading the moon mission and many believe we could not have accomplished the feat without their advanced knowledge. The story goes that they would watch American scientists in the 50’s make the same mistakes they made years back, but because of politics, they were not yet called upon to contribute at the forefront of the space program. The Russians launch of Sputnik, forced the administration of the time to reconsider. Werner Von Braun, sold president Kennedy on the idea that we could beat the Russians in the race to get to the moon. We did in 1969. Again, at a time that the nation was largely white. Now to make my point, notice that whether you are talking of the Russian side or the American side, you are basically talking about an intellectual struggle between two white cultures. Others weren’t even in the game.

2)The second example would involve the invention of computers and the software they need. These two revolutionary inventions were also accomplished, mainly by whites, starting with huge mainframe computers, and ending with the personal computer. In the field of software, whites also lead the way. Europeans as well as Americans. All of this stuff is well documented and whether the topic is rocketry or computers, white folks have lead the way, and others have followed. White cultures can be quite proud of what they have accomplished by any standards. Yet, there are people today, who will actually try to dispute the impact those European based cultures have had on the modern world and continue to have. The education system in the U.S. is an abomination, compared to Europe, but as I understand it Europe is catching up fast with the same stupidity we are suffering from. If we could only get back to the basics, white kids would shine again, without a doubt. Their parents have much to answer for.

58 — Jupiter wrote at 10:57 AM on February 11:

Hopalong Cassidy and Michael G Scott

This is a White Nationalist website. A website dedicated to protecting the legitmate rafial interests of Native Born White Amerians. If you both enjoy the company of asians,pack up and go live in Korea. Don’t impose Korean and asian scab labor on therest of us.

The fact that the large Natrive Born White Family that I come was harmed by LEGAL IMMIGRANT asians means nothing to you and the other asianphles. So much for Native Born White Solidarity. Authnetic White Nationalists would show solidarity with the thousands of Native Born White families that have been harmed by asian LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Michael G Scott, the korean “American” student” who you have a warm spot in your heart for more than likely is in America because he is the son of LEGAL IMMIGRANT korean who stole a job from a NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN.

If your Korean friend wasn’t in America, a Native Born White American would not have had to compete with him for the scarce resources of America such as acceptance to decent Universtiy. If you think a Native Born White Amerians should have to compete with Koreans for acceptance to an American University, you are n enemy of NAtive Born White Americans. Same for you hapolong Cassidy

Your Korean friend from Chem Lab has already voted-for the racial dispossession of Native Born White Americans if he has voted either Deocratic or Reublican at election time.

Post-1965 immigrants should be opposed not because of some score on an IQ test but because they are of a different racial tribe and they are competing with Native Born White Ameriacns for the scarce resources of America. Raise the issue of IQ scores and you sidetrack a iscussion into an arcane debate about psychometrics. Eyes will glaze over and there will be no discussion about the threat LEGAL IMMIGRANT asians pose to Native Born White Americans.

59 — Anonymous wrote at 4:43 PM on February 11:

“If your Korean friend wasn’t in America, a Native Born White American would not have had to compete with him for the scarce resources of America such as acceptance to decent Universtiy. If you think a Native Born White Amerians should have to compete with Koreans for acceptance to an American University, you are n enemy of NAtive Born White Americans.”

Jupitor, your rant borders on the ridiculous. Everything is a “scarce resource” in America because we have to pay SOMETHING for a product. Do you have some proof that your American-born European gene-line which competes against tbe American-born gene-line of Asians could NOT secure acceptance to a decent private University?

60 — Courtney wrote at 7:14 PM on February 11:

Jupiter,

Micheal C. Scott is married to an Asian woman. There are quite a few white males on here who claim to be supportive of our cause, yet they have Asian wives which places a soft spot in their hearts for Asians. To me they are traitors. The fact that Jared Taylor tolerates this and acts as if their behavior is honorable disgusts me as a white female and it constantly causes me to second guess my involvement with this website.

At the last Amren conference, Jared Taylor had a speaker who was himself married to a hispanic. I have heard through a secondary source that at one point someone in the audience asked the speaker how he could possibly be for our cause when he is married to a Mexican woman. Apparantely most of the people in the audience booed the poor man for asking such a logical question.

Another time in the distant past there was a discussion similar to this one going on on this website about whether or not Asians belong here in America. I was on here making my usual arguments against them being here. At one point an Asian girl posted a question directed at me asking me how I felt about her being here when she was obviously contributing to society. Immediately half of the white male posters involved in the discussion came to her defense and said she was just as American as I am.

I am really sick of this. The white men on here are told that they are unique and special and different from the men of all other races. Meanwhile the white females on here are told that we are equal to and no better than Asian women (and sometimes even hispanice women). I am sick of it. Why should I want to stick around?

61 — Courtney wrote at 7:25 PM on February 11:

“Talk about wasted effort. If Jupiter spent a fraction of his energy on articles about the Mexican invasion instead of this fictitious Asian one, he would contribute a lot more, and probably be a lot happier. Maybe I haven’t been paying attention, but does he even post on articles that have nothing to do Asians? I don’t get this weird obsession. It must be something personal. “

Well what do you expect him to do? The reason people like Jupiter and I are so “obsessed ” with the Asian issue is because they are the one group that is given a free pass by many people on here. The bottom line is that they are not the same as us, nor are they really all that much better. They are actually inferior in some ways.

America is supposed to be a majority white country. The more we have Asians moving here and displacing us, the more the country will change, just like it will if other groups move here and displace us. This really isn’t hard to understand.

And to the people above who are still making arguments about Asian inventiveness by giving us examples of electronics as well as navigation in the 15th century, your argument has no relevance. Can you show me any encyclopedia or book on the history of science that doesn’t give whites credit for at least 75% of history’s scientific accomplishments?????

Most of their electronics are based on breakthrough discoveries by whites. As for their navigation of the 15th century, just how advanced was it really??? I recently went to a museum that talked about the history of navigation, and while ten rooms were dedicated to what whites have done, there might have been one single wall (not a room; a WALL) dedicated to what the Chinese did. What does that tell you?????

62 — Anon wrote at 9:59 PM on February 11:

“So as stated earlier, even though Asians have slightly higher IQs, the whites have a greater talent of inventing things worth while.”

This is such a tired canard. White people are “creative”- has absolutely no sustenance to carry itself beyond Stormfront.

Quite frankly some people here come off as just confused and wrong as Afro-centric fools preaching on the innate moral superiority of Black people for never conquering and enslaving other races. There are objective publications on racial differences in cranial capacity, neuron count, and IQ. In terms of intellectual potential(currently) the order is E. Asian > White > Black.

“You keep missing the point. You keep throwing this stuff at us assuming that we already agree with you that the gap between Asians and whites is as great as the gap between whites and blacks. If you really examine the facts (as you accuse us of NOT doing), study after study on intelligence shows that the gap in intelligence between whites and Asians is miniscule compared to the gap between blacks and whites.”

The concept is the same. A man from a more impulsive, less intelligent, sexually looser, less health conscious race seeks a woman from a more orderly, intelligent one.

I tried explaining this once to a White man with an Oriental woman and he went off on me like a firework. If you ever want to see a White man defend his race-compare him to Jamal chasing after a White woman.

I would prefer Middle Eastern Levant Christians to Orientals if we had to stuff our Universities with full tuition foreigners. Orientals are meek and introverted-not to be confused with friendly or grateful. Koreans probably have less positive things to say about their White co-workers -“they’re lazy, alcoholics, self-important etc.” I know, I work with them too.

63 — Anonymous wrote at 11:44 PM on February 11:

“And to the people above who are still making arguments about Asian inventiveness by giving us examples of electronics as well as navigation in the 15th century, your argument has no relevance. Can you show me any encyclopedia or book on the history of science that doesn’t give whites credit for at least 75% of history’s scientific accomplishments????? “

What are you talking about, Courtney? The “history of science” is an arbritrary delineation of human discovery by date. Yes, you can state that “75% of history’s scientific accomplishments”
is credited to whites. It may even be true. But as sure as the sun rises tomorrow, time marches on. That means that there will be MORE discoveries and inventions by non-whites, primarily Asians. Even LaGriffe states this ( http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/women_and_minorities_in_science.htm ) This means that as the industrial base of the Asians becomes larger, so will their relative contributions to science and engineering. Jupitor can cry all he wants about all the awful Asians taking his job, his father’s job, his great-great future grandchildren’s jobs, but as a practical matter, the tech professions are essentially a meritocracy.

If you don’t believe me, look at once used to be one of the great scientific discovery facilities of America: Bell Labs.
AT&T as a monopoly used to lavishly fund Bell Labs for it’s cutting edge R&D. Yes, smart white people with money at Bell Labs contributed immensely to American scientific prestige.

But what has become of Bell Labs NOW? Answer: they have become like any number of Asian industrial companies, directing their work toward the bottom line of Lucent and their French masters.

http://ptonline.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_61/iss_10/32_1.shtml

The bell tolls for Bell Labs

“among the recent research casualties were materials science and a silicon foundry, both disbanded earlier this year. According to many former Bell Labs researchers, basic physics research at Bell is dead.

“The spirit is practically gone. The culture—seminars, journal club discussions, tea time—those are gone.”


Get used to it Courtney; Asians will be contributing MUCH MORE to the world’s scientific and engineering base in the near future as all those Chinese scientists that are constantly being disparaged by those such as yourself as being “uncreative,” “drones,” “only slightly better computationally, etc. etc. ” obtain R&D funding.

64 — Schoolteacher wrote at 12:37 AM on February 12:

Small, intelligent, purposeful minorities can and have done terrible damage to the societies they live in. The main interest Orientals have in this country is making a lot more money that they could in their own countries. Chinese immigrants in particular have a history of exploiting the majorities in the countries where they live. They will soon be gatekeepers throughout America’s most advanced industries, favoring their own kind whenever possible, and screening out undesirable Whites. Get a clue, Asiophiles, and read the postings about the San Fernando Valley. The Mexicans were once a small minority too.

65 — Anonymous wrote at 8:05 AM on February 12:

“They will soon be gatekeepers throughout America’s most advanced industries, favoring their own kind whenever possible, and screening out undesirable Whites. “

Here’s something for you to ponder, Schoolteacher. I DON’T HATE Whites, don’t try to disparage them, nor do I consider them undesirable. I don’t consider Whites to be any more of an enemy than any Joe or Jane on the street. Neither do the Asian founders of Yahoo, Garmin or Youtube consider you as something undesirable.

66 — Conan wrote at 5:22 PM on February 12:

“But what has become of Bell Labs NOW?”

What became of Wang laboratories?

67 — Anonymous wrote at 7:27 PM on February 12:

Jupiter, Courtney,& others who are upset
I will be honest with you, it is hard for me and some of my friends to be objective about asians because we do like asian women. They are very attractive as girfriends and wives because the ones that we have dated and married have been incredible wives and mothers. It doesn’t hurt that many of them are very beautiful and intelligent too. We are all concerned about survival of white people, culture, and values but it is a big conflict for us because we also like many things about the asian culture. Most of us attractive, well educated, and professional white men who are with asian women have decided to raise kids who are white/asian with best of both worlds. It really isn’t hard because the values aren’t that different. So I’m asking you that you understand that there could be a way for a white/asian couple to contribute positively to this country to make our society better for our children. To be honest, it is a conflict but one that we are trying to deal with in the most rational way possible. Our children are incredibly intelligent, well educated, curious, well mannered, caring, hard working, and attractive people. I feel that our combined culture and effort have made them ready for any responsibility in their lives and in society. Please understand that it can be a very positive situation.

68 — Courtney wrote at 8:51 PM on February 12:

Anon,

This is the last time I am going to explain it. We all acknowledge the racial hierarchy that you have thrown at us time and time again. What we are saying is that the difference between Asians and whites is miniscule compared to the difference between whites and blacks. This is well documented as well. That is it. That is the last time I am explaining it to you.

Anonymous,

Considering that you think an Asian founded Youtube, I guess I can take everything else I have read of yours with just a grain of salt. Do you research this stuff before posting on here? So far, what you have been posting hasn’t been too accurate.

Secondly, and most importantly, after reading your last post there, I now know everything I need to know about you. Thank you for letting us know how you feel about Asian women. Now I know that I was right all along. The bottom line is that in order to preserve our civilization, white people need to be breeding with whites. Is this hard to understand?

69 — Nitrana wrote at 9:10 PM on February 12:

To Anonymous at 7:27 PM on February 12, you’re married to an Asian woman yet you still frequent this site? Does she know this? Chances are that one (perhaps both) of you is insecure with their ethnicity. You cannot possibly be genuine in your concern for those on AR. I seriously hope you have no problem with AM/WF couples or other men with White women.

70 — Anonymous wrote at 9:49 PM on February 12:

“What became of Wang laboratories?”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Laboratories

Ah yes, I remember the Wang Labs scientific calculator in community college in Chicago. Used Nixie tubes for a cool “Star Wars” appearance. Used to employ 40,000 people. Anyway,

“Wang Laboratories filed for bankruptcy protection in August 1992. After emerging from bankruptcy, the company eventually changed its name to Wang Global. In 1999, Wang Global was acquired by Getronics of The Netherlands.”

71 — Anonymous wrote at 11:36 PM on February 12:

“Small, intelligent, purposeful minorities can and have done terrible damage to the societies they live in. The main interest Orientals have in this country is making a lot more money that they could in their own countries. Chinese immigrants in particular have a history of exploiting the majorities in the countries where they live. They will soon be gatekeepers throughout America’s most advanced industries, favoring their own kind whenever possible, and screening out undesirable Whites. Get a clue, Asiophiles, and read the postings about the San Fernando Valley”

Thank God someone here has half a brain.

A good book here for everyone to read is Amy Chua’s World on Fire-the conclusions are off-ie PC- but does a good job of documenting the tension between the less intelligent native Filipinos and Chinese expats. Filipinos have almost no positions in upper management in their own country and mainly work as servants. How embarrassing this is for the Filipinos. Is everything okay for them?

Asians might not hate Whites the way Blacks hate us for personal historical reasons-but frankly, by virtue of their higher intelligence they will come to dominate upper echelons of society. Why would I want this?

Anyone who thinks White Americans should be okay and “understanding” of this is either A)in denial about Asian intelligence or B)needs mixed race multiculturalism to work out.

72 — Anonymous wrote at 1:18 AM on February 13:

“Most of their electronics are based on breakthrough discoveries by whites. As for their navigation of the 15th century, just how advanced was it really??? I recently went to a museum that talked about the history of navigation, and while ten rooms were dedicated to what whites have done, there might have been one single wall (not a room; a WALL) dedicated to what the Chinese did. What does that tell you????”

That maybe we just like to pay attention to white accomplishments rather than the work of foreign peoples?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He The Chinese admirals voyages are objectively technologically impressive considering the mammoth size of his ships and total ship count. I find it embarrassing when I see on white nationalist sites that there is any dispute that the fleets were a great accomplishment. It makes whites look insecure because its tantamount to denying history and making a new history based on boasts to cure self esteem…

73 — FR wrote at 1:25 AM on February 13:

“Meanwhile the white females on here are told that we are equal to and no better than Asian women (and sometimes even hispanice women). I am sick of it. Why should I want to stick around?”

Ask yourself just because some white men find Asian women very attractive, why should it bother me?

And most of all remember this is a white nationalist site. Most people just want to be left alone rather than promote the idea that their race is better than other races. I think if you adjust your attitude and try not to rank people (like placing Sicilians outside of the white group) and instead just feel comfortable being of your heritage, you’ll feel a lot less upset. Some people from other groups are going to do better than some people from your group. Some other people from outside of your group will be thought of as more attractive. But none of these achievements or opinions should be the value estimate of your worth.

74 — Drive by Poster wrote at 1:32 AM on February 13:

The Asian “founder” of Youtube was not a founder. In fact, he almost missed out as he turned down his White friend the first time he asked him if he wanted in. Yahoo was founded by a White guy and an Asian guy who were college classmates. I could go on, but you get the point.

LaGriffe is no friend of whites, as “he” has juggled information, being disingenuous with certain ‘facts’ and IQ info (such as actual group averages and SD’s). He has his own agenda, and pushing Whites is not one of them.

Chinese inventions are a lot of the time inventions of academics and others with an anti-white agenda. Even if the claims were true, what happened? It’s enough to make one think these people reached the limits of their imagination and creativity 6 - 7 centuries ago.

75 — Anonymous wrote at 2:45 AM on February 13:

“Considering that you think an Asian founded Youtube, I guess I can take everything else I have read of yours with just a grain of salt. Do you research this stuff before posting on here? So far, what you have been posting hasn’t been too accurate.”

Oh my, a rhetorical non-response. Show me where I have been inaccurate, Courtney.

As for YouTube, it is YOU that have displayed the ignorance:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/time100/article/0,28804,1595326_1615737_1615691,00.html

Chad Hurley & Steve Chen
By Miles Beckett

“In YouTube, Chad Hurley, 29, and Steve Chen, 27, built the killer app for Internet video.”

76 — Schoolteacher wrote at 3:06 AM on February 13:

Anonymous at 8:05 AM on Feb 12: I don’t hate Orientals, I simply recognize that they look out for their own people.
I had a talk with one of my students, a smart 18 year old Chinese girl. To her, “racism” is something that White people do, and she is very concerned about it. I asked her if there were rude Chinese words for Whites, and she laughed and said, “Oh, yeah!” But she didn’t see that as racist. She was born here, but is completely blinded by her ethnocentrism.
I think she is typical. Anyone who is critical of Orientals is racist, but when Orientals ridicule Whites, that’s OK. Her attitude is perfectly reasonable, given the premise of racial self-interest. And my attitude is that in my country, the White nation I was born in, before our Rulers decided to flood the place with foreigners, my racial interests should take precedence. And if the Orientals don’t like it, they can go back to Asia.
And if my personal anecdote is insufficiently persuasive, the history of the overseas Chinese in SE Asia is well-documented. Chinese minorities exploiting the locals. The Chinese have only contempt for the natives, and the natives hate the Chinese. YOU may not look down on Whites, Anonymous at 8:05, but plenty of Chinese do.

77 — Jupiter wrote at 7:57 AM on February 13:

Native Born White Americans who marry outside of their race are committing race treason against their racial tribe more often than not, their racial allegiance will change and they will support importing colonizers from aisa. Alan Wall-married to mexican -and biracial Marcus Epstien are the exception, not the norm.

78 — Anonymous wrote at 2:22 PM on February 13:

“We are all concerned about survival of white people, culture, and values but it is a big conflict for us because we also like many things about the asian culture. Most of us attractive, well educated, and professional white men who are with asian women have decided to raise kids who are white/asian with best of both worlds. “

This is hypocrisy and not to be taken seriously. For anyone reading into his comment it is easy to see how confused he is. He cares about white culture and people so much that he proposes breeding with asian women. It’s laughable how he considers white males and asian females the most attractive, intelligent and successful - the creme of the crop. The rest of us the world doesn’t agree with his assessment and he and his kind are stuck in their own little fantasy land.

79 — Anonymous wrote at 5:03 PM on February 13:

Courtney it is me… the Korean guy. It is not difficult to understand how upset you would be to endlessly have to face that double standard which states white women are not allowed to marry outside their races whereas white men are welcome to marry outside their races.

in this thread, something I expected is, there is not one single post where it states “Asian women find white men attractive” I found quite a few examples of “white men find Asian women attractive” but I have not found one single “Asian women find white men attractive”

but whenever I make a post, I receive a bunch of “Asian women find white men attractive and they find you boys disgraceful and that’s why a few of your Asian women are running into the arms of white men”

They are welcome to go ahead and find me websites where Asian women complain about Asian men and therefore they run into the arms of white men. There is nothing for Asian women to complain about Asian men. We try to complete our degrees, we try to live fair and square with everyone else around us, we try everything we can to perfect our English language skills, and so on!

if anyone here on AmRen ever finds me one website where Asian women complain about Asian men, written by Asian women, I will gladly purchase plane tickets back to Korea immediately. If they ever find “why Asian women find white men attractive” it is always written by a white man.

I do not mind a few Asian female dating outside the race. There are more than enough Asian women for Asian men to choose from. On top of that, the Asian women in the arms of the white men aren’t exactly what I would call the cream of the crop among Asian women.

Something I remember… when I was seventeen, I dated an Armenian girl once. She was not British Canadian, or even Caucasian, but she had hazel eyes and light skin. At a glance, she looks white. While we were walking hand in hand in downtown Toronto, I remember she received quite a few evil stares from white girls of her age…. why she received those evil stares is not within my knowledge. (She was three years younger than me and she was more mature than me)

80 — Courtney wrote at 6:23 PM on February 13:

“The Chinese admirals voyages are objectively technologically impressive considering the mammoth size of his ships and total ship count. I find it embarrassing when I see on white nationalist sites that there is any dispute that the fleets were a great accomplishment. It makes whites look insecure because its tantamount to denying history and making a new history based on boasts to cure self esteem… “

Once again you have cited Wikipedia (a bad source) and once again you have taken what I have said out of context. I am not saying that Asians didn’t accomplish great things. All I am saying is that whites should be given credit for accomplishing a lot more. As much as the mainstream media beats up on us and elevates everyone else, what is wrong with me stating facts about our people (well-deserved facts) on a website like this?

“And most of all remember this is a white nationalist site. Most people just want to be left alone rather than promote the idea that their race is better than other races. I think if you adjust your attitude and try not to rank people (like placing Sicilians outside of the white group) and instead just feel comfortable being of your heritage, you’ll feel a lot less upset. Some people from other groups are going to do better than some people from your group. Some other people from outside of your group will be thought of as more attractive. But none of these achievements or opinions should be the value estimate of your worth. “

Thanks for your advice, but I don’t need to adjust my attitude. The problem with our society is that too many whites don’t care that the media is always beating up on the white man and trying to overinflate the accomplishments of other races. And once again, I am NOT denying that Asians have done great things. It is just that when someone comes on here and makes false statements about white people (giving others credit for our accomplishments), I am going to speak out about it. I wish more whites would do the same. And I never said Sicilians aren’t white.

“Anyone who is critical of Orientals is racist, but when Orientals ridicule Whites, that’s OK. Her attitude is perfectly reasonable, given the premise of racial self-interest. And my attitude is that in my country, the White nation I was born in, before our Rulers decided to flood the place with foreigners, my racial interests should take precedence. And if the Orientals don’t like it, they can go back to Asia. “

Good point. Very good point. I take offense to the fact that there are posters on here trying to tell me to “cool it” when the media is degrading whites the way it does. It makes me wonder if the people on here really understand the purpose of this website.


81 — Schoolteacher wrote at 9:33 PM on February 13:

I think I was reading George Gilder, who said that to a White man, Oriental women seemed to be especially feminine in some respects. They are smaller, had less body hair, they seemed to be more compliant, and so on. To an Oriental woman, a White man will seem to be more masculine, larger, and so forth. Years ago in this country, before there were many Chinese, or any Koreans or Vietnamese, there were White men who were always attracted to tiny White women, just as we see White men today with Yellow Fever, who always date Orientals. Leaving aside racial awareness for the moment, I see the two phenomena as being the same. Today, the White guy who wants to really feel dominant doesn’t need to limit himself to five foot tall White women, there are all these cute Orientals to choose from. I’m not saying that every White guy who chooses an Oriental woman is looking for a submissive woman, any more that every six footer with a five foot wife is, but if a man consistently picks a certain physical type, he’s looking for a pet, not a mate.

82 — Anonymous wrote at 10:10 PM on February 13:

“Chinese inventions are a lot of the time inventions of academics and others with an anti-white agenda. “

Care to elaborate on exactly what this comment is about? Isn’t that why the government gives money to Universities for R&D?

83 — Anonymous wrote at 10:18 PM on February 13:

“but frankly, by virtue of their higher intelligence they will come to dominate upper echelons of society. Why would I want this? “

Is the US a meritocracy or not? Do you want the very BEST people using their brains to get to the upper echelons of society or not? We know Jupitor doesn’t because he actually thinks Whites can’t compete with Asians in school. Are you proclaiming the same thing?

84 — Schoolteacher wrote at 5:45 PM on February 14:

“Chinese inventions are a lot of the time inventions of academics and others with an anti-White agenda.”
“Care to elaborate on exactly what this comment is about?”

It’s not my original post, but I read this to mean that academics have invented a new set of historical facts that give Chinese more credit than they are due. Given the leftist bias in academia, and the number of really bad books passed off as cutting edge historical scholarship, I find it plausible to believe that the professors are once again making up stories. Check out “The Chalice and the Blade”, “Black Athena”, “Jefferson: An Intimate Biography”, all big sellers, all dishonest scholarship. Go to a railroad museum and read how we are indebted to the Chinese for the building of the western railroads, just because one railroad, the Central Pacific, hired coolie labor. Read how Blacks liberated Nazi death camps and how no bombers escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen were ever shot down. In a country so anti-White as ours, it is simply prudent to discount praise of non-Whites and criticism of Whites.

85 — Michael C. Scott wrote at 4:38 PM on February 15:

Admiral Ho’s fleet was technically impressive, but what did it accomplish in the long term?

Absolutely nothing.

What did the later European voyages of discovery accomplish?

1. Colonization of the Americas, Australia and New Zealand by European whites. 2. Introduction to Europe of high-yield New World crops like the potato and maize, which fostered a European population explosion that resulted in accelerated colonization by Europeans of territories outside Europe. 3. Increased commerce which led to a burgeoning middle class, a middle class which created democratic governments and an industrial revolution.

I think the motivations for the respective Chinese and European voyages of discovery were also quite different. Ho’s fleet was a novelty - a toy - and was discarded by the Chinese government once their interest waned. Europe had no central government to make a decision like this; it was a collection of warring kingdoms, each seeking an advantage over the others, so the various European expeditions were a matter of survival to the nations involved, which is precisely why their efforts were sustained.


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