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Spanish Driver’s License Tests Drop 90%

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Gosia Wozniacka, Oregonian, Nov. 2, 2008

The DMV office in east Portland does brisk business last February. Since then, when tougher proof of legal residency went into effect, the number of people taking driver’s license tests in Spanish has plummeted.

Stricter driver’s license requirements, which block illegal immigrants from getting a license, have slashed the number of Spanish speakers taking the license test in Oregon.

Critics of illegal immigration say the new law is a success. But community advocates say there has been no exodus of undocumented immigrants from Oregon.

“It’s obviously working in that people who shouldn’t be getting a license are not getting them,” said Jim Ludwick of Oregonians for Immigration Reform. “I don’t think all of them will leave the state, but we have been champions of attrition through enforcement.”

Gov. Ted Kulongoski ordered Driver and Motor Vehicle Services to start verifying Social Security numbers last year. The number of people taking the DMV test in Spanish fell by more than 90 percent after the governor’s order went into effect in February. The number has remained equally low every month since.

Community advocates say those who lost their license are finding alternative ways of getting around, including getting a Washington license and using public transportation.

“Some people thought Latinos in Oregon would start packing their cars. But it’s not happening, and it’s not going to happen,” said Francisco Lopez, director of CAUSA, Oregon’s immigrant rights coalition. “They won’t be going back to extreme poverty in Mexico and unemployment in Guatemala. Despite the new hardship, it’s still better to be here.”

The law has had other effects: lost jobs, fewer people buying auto insurance, home foreclosures and concerns that fewer people are calling for help to social service agencies and police. The law’s full effect won’t be known for years, but advocates and undocumented immigrants say the community is used to living in the shadows.

“Our immigration system has been broken for so long and people are used to adjusting to adverse situations,” CAUSA coordinator Aeryca Steinbauer said.”This law is another barrier, but it’s ridiculous to think people will self-deport if somebody has kids in school or owns a house.”

Impact hard to measure

Estimates of how many undocumented people are in Oregon range from 120,000 to 175,000.

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Original article

(Posted on November 3, 2008)

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1 — Anonymous wrote at 5:18 PM on November 3:

“Community advocates say those who lost their license are finding alternative ways of getting around, including getting a Washington license and using public transportation.”

And from those of us living in Oregon, we see more and more of them simply continuing to drive, but now without licenses. They already don’t bother to get vehicle insurance, now they are unlicensed as well, often drunk, always heedless of the property damage, injury and death they wreak.

2 — RHG wrote at 6:02 PM on November 3:

“Some people thought Latinos in Oregon would start packing their cars. But it’s not happening, and it’s not going to happen,” said Francisco Lopez, director of CAUSA, Oregon’s immigrant rights coalition. “They won’t be going back to extreme poverty in Mexico and unemployment in Guatemala. Despite the new hardship, it’s still better to be here.”
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Wow, so conditions in “racist America” are still better then in these peoples home countries?

3 — Bobby wrote at 10:06 PM on November 3:

After crackdown illegals now take test in Washington.

This illustrates what so many Americans who are up on the invasion of illegal aliens from Mexico already know, these people are not voluntarily going anywhere out of this nation. It’s the same as the issue covered on AmRen involving Spain paying to be gone with their illegal aliens. There is no incentive for them to go, not with all the forced benefits they get out of the American taxpayers.

4 — Patriot wrote at 1:25 AM on November 4:

/“Our immigration system has been broken for so long and people are used to adjusting to adverse situations,” CAUSA coordinator Aeryca Steinbauer said.”This law is another barrier, but it’s ridiculous to think people will self-deport if somebody has kids in school or owns a house.”/

If they weren’t here legally, why in the heck do they own a house?

5 — kitty wrote at 1:50 AM on November 4:

“The law has had other effects: lost jobs, fewer people buying auto insurance, home foreclosures and concerns that fewer people are calling for help to social service agencies and police. The law’s full effect won’t be known for years, but advocates and undocumented immigrants say the community is used to living in the shadows.”

What?? First of all, they don’t bother with insurance, and they got no business owning a house OR calling social services in the first place—not that that is a concern to them.

Living in the shadows my foot. They’re ‘hiding’ in plain sight!

6 — Skip wrote at 4:30 AM on November 4:

And from those of us living in Oregon, we see more and more of them simply continuing to drive, but now without licenses. They already don’t bother to get vehicle insurance, now they are unlicensed as well, often drunk, always heedless of the property damage, injury and death they wreak.

But I m sure, that for those illegal alien, uninsured, unlicensed drivers involved in a fatal drunk driving accident that the victims or their families will be satisfied to see the illegal DEPORTED for a few days, like throwing the cat/dog outside but not closing the door.

7 — sbuffalonative wrote at 9:01 AM on November 4:


How many times have our leaders made the excuse that nothing could be done when enforcing the laws clearly works to deter illegals and illegal activity? If everyone municipality would uphold their laws, it would go a long way to get these people to go home.

8 — Mike wrote at 10:21 AM on November 4:

The only way we can stop these illegal immigrants (that is if the government actually wanted to) would be to discriminate against them and arrest and deport them based on skin color.

We stopped the third world Mexican invaders twice during our history, and it’s possible to do it again, but not with the current government.

9 — Whiteplight wrote at 3:43 PM on November 4:

I live in Vancouver, Washington just across the Columbian river. You can’t get a license in Washington if you reside in Oregon or any other state. One big reason is an old problem of different tax systems; an Oregon license doesn’t pay sales tax in Washington while a Washington license must. Proof of residence for a license in either state is required. I was just at a local office and it was not overwhelmed with Hispanics although all the workers were women, (typical in Clark County) and one appeared to be Hispanic and probably spoke Spanish.

10 — Strider wrote at 10:38 AM on November 5:

Whiteplight wrote: You can’t get a license in Washington if you reside in Oregon or any other state. One big reason is an old problem of different tax systems; an Oregon license doesn’t pay sales tax in Washington while a Washington license must.

I must confess to being a mite confused here. I know Oregon has no sales tax and Washington has no income tax. Are you saying an Oregon resident can shop in Washington and have the sales tax waived by showing his driver’s license? Heck, I figured the smart folks with jobs in Portland or other border towns would live in Washington & shop in Oregon, thereby avoiding both taxes.


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