Ottawa University Boots Cystic Fibrosis From Charity Drive
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National Post, November 25, 2008
The Carleton University Students’ Association has voted to drop a cystic fibrosis charity as the beneficiary of its annual Shinearama fundraiser, supporting a motion that argued the disease is not “inclusive” enough.
Cystic fibrosis “has been recently revealed to only affect white people, and primarily men” said the motion read Monday night to student councillors, who voted almost unanimously in favour of it.
Every year near the beginning of fall classes, during university orientation for new arrivals, students fan out across the city and seek donations from passersby. According to the motion, “all orientees and volunteers should feel like their fundraising efforts will serve their (sic) diverse communities.”
Nick Bergamini, a third-year journalism student on the student council, said he was the only elected councillor present to vote against the motion. The decision is an example of campus political correctness gone too far, he said.
“They’re not doctors. They’re playing politics with this,” said Mr. Bergamini. “I think they see this, in their own twisted way, as a win for diversity. I see it as a loss for people with cystic fibrosis.”
The Shinearama fundraiser is carried out by students at about 65 colleges and universities across Canada. It has raised money for the Canadian Cystic Fibrosis Foundation for almost 50 years and Carleton has been participating for at least 25.
During orientation week this year, Carleton students, who have raised about $1-million over the years, raised about $20,000, said foundation chief executive Cathleen Morrison, who was surprised and dismayed by the student association decision.
The rationale for dropping cystic fibrosis as the beneficiary is not correct, she said. CF is diagnosed just as often among girls as boys, although the health of girls deteriorates more rapidly, she said. It is commonly considered an illness that affects Caucasians, but that includes people from the Middle East, South America, North Africa and the Indian subcontinent.
” ‘Caucasian’ as we understand it isn’t just white people,” said Ms. Morrison. “It includes people with a whole rainbow of skins.”
One of the councillors who voted in favour of switching the charity said Monday night that the information provided to the panel prior to the vote was factually incorrect, and he will be seeking support from other members to hold an emergency meeting to reconsider their decision. “After seeing all the reaction today, I definitely think it should be revisited and reconsidered,” said Michael Monks, who represents Carleton’s business students for the student council.
Student association president Brittany Smyth said the motion came about because the association has been contemplating rotating the beneficiary of Shinearama to different charities each year instead of giving the money to a single charity.
“It’s about people wanting to do something different,” she said.
The motion was forwarded by Donnie Northrup, who represents science students. Mr. Northrup did not respond to a request for an interview.
The preamble to the motion is Mr. Northrup’s explanation for why he supports the motion, based on what he learned as an orientation-week volunteer, said Ms. Smyth.
In making a decision, it was not the preamble but the declaration itself that matters, she said.
“The preliminary is the councillor’s own motivations and ideas,” she said. “Most discussion revolved around rotating the charity.”
Mr. Bergamini said he doesn’t believe the decision represents the opinion of most students.
“They’re playing racial politics with something that is supposed to bring people together—a charity,” he said.
Ms. Morrison, who hopes to get a chance to set the record straight with the student association, said students raise a healthy chunk of the approximately $16-million raised each year to support cystic fibrosis research.
The median life expectancy for a person with CF in Canada is just over 37 years, about twice what it was two decades ago. The money for research has helped produce a lot of international “firsts” including isolating the CF gene and carrying out the first double-lung transplant for a CF patient.
Meanwhile, public reaction to the student association decision has been swift, from those who denounced the decision as political correctness to those who facetiously mused about what would qualify as an “inclusive” disease. Others wondered if the student association decision would affect alumni donations to the university.
“The reasoning behind this is totally ridiculous. Eventually cystic fibrosis is a fatal disease. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone,” said Marie Lunney, a Carleton graduate who has worked as a foundation volunteer. “If I had a choice between donating to CF or Carleton, I’d donate to CF.”
[Editor’s Note: See also the account of this matter in the student newspaper, The Ottawa Citizen here.]
(Posted on November 26, 2008)
Charity Flap
Katie Daubs, Ottawa Citizen, November 26, 2008
Donnie Northrup, the Carleton University student who wrote the controversial preamble to cancel Shinerama because it’s “not inclusive enough” said he’s sorry he misused the term caucasian but stands by the motion.
“I think it’s good to have people willing to take a stand in student politics, and I’ve admitted I’ve made a mistake. But I do believe in spreading the wealth, so to speak, as charities go,” he said, adding that local charities stand to benefit from the decision.
The preamble he wrote last weekend, that cystic fibrosis “has been revealed recently to only affect white people, and primarily men” accompanied a motion to drop cystic fibrosis as the sole beneficiary charity of Carleton University Student Association’s frosh week.
It passed almost unanimously.
In a letter to students, Carleton University president Roseann O’Reilly Runte noted the motion contained concerning and inappropriate language.
“I know that Carleton students are fine young scholars who wish to be responsible and considerate. I am sure that they did not intend to offend by the preamble to their motion, but I am also sure that they now understand the effects of that language,” she wrote.
Mr. Northrup said “not a lot of thought” went into the wording, and didn’t realize caucasian applied to other groups that weren’t necessarily white.
“I’m among term papers and assignments—it was a slip up. I should have researched it further,” said the fourth year integrated science student, adding that writing is not something he’s focusing his degree on.
“We’re not saying it’s not a good enough charity.”
Mr. Northrup said the whole issue has been blown out of proportion, and the backlash has been “fairly unkind.”
He has received hate email and random Facebook messages.
“I am currently not able to live happily,” he said.
He said there is talk of rewording the motion to make the whereas clause more general, to say that “no single charity is diverse enough to meet the needs of the student body” and it is therefore necessary to offer different charities the chance.
Wednesday morning, CUSA president Brittany Smyth acknowledged CUSA council will revisit the motion because there is not an appetite to change charities at Carleton.
A press release also apologized for the negative attention the university had received.
Nick Bergamini, a third-year journalism student on student council who voted against the motion said there will be a protest Thursday at 12 p.m., in Mackenzie Field, between the Unicentre and the Mackenzie buildings.
The protest is organized by himself and other individuals involved in Shinerama in the past who want the charity reinstated.
Mr. Bergamini said the intent of the protest is to call for an apology from everyone who voted in favour of the motion.
Comments
Earlier this year, a nurse posted here at AR that she was receiving indication that, in the years ahead, and because of racial diversity and equality, combined with many specious studies that blacks and Hispanics were victims of health care discrimination, that the mainstream health care system would engage in a concerted and sub rosa effort to deny health care to white patients.
This story from Ottawa might be the first indication that she wasn’t paranoid.
Posted by Question Diversity at 6:55 PM on November 26
As a Canadian, I can help explain to my friends on here that Carlton is pretty much at the bottom of the pile of Canadian Universities in terms of admissions standards and overall academic rigor.
This story — and the so-called reasoning of those who supported the insulting and obnoxious motion in question — just illustrates the point.
Posted by Kevin at 7:01 PM on November 26
OMG…I can’t believe what I’m reading! Why don’t they also exclude Tay-Sachs disease and sickle cell anemia? Those diseases affect only certain ethnicities and are also not “inclusive.”
Posted by at 7:04 PM on November 26
White men are expendable? What is this message? We need to include not exclude sick people. I am all for balance and equality in treatment but to single out a disease to ignore because it effects mostly white men??? I am speechless.
Posted by realist at 7:05 PM on November 26
They’re playing politics with this,” said Mr. Bergamini. “I think they see this, in their own twisted way, as a win for diversity.
Oh, absolutely. After all, the more whites who die of CF and other diseases, the more non-whites and therefore, the more “diversity” we’ll have. (“Diversity” has always meant preventing an excess of whites.)
This, coupled with the pathetic story yesterday of whites changing the rules of organ donation so that fewer whites receive them (even though they make the highest percentage of donations in the first place) means that whites are bound and determined to make themselves the minority not only through immigration and low birth rates, but by actively killing themselves off!
The degree to which whites are willing to grovel, humiliate and even to destroy themselves (in order to make themselves look good and high-minded to their peers) is truly sickening. It has gone beyond merely putting themselves down publicly to actively plotting against themselves.
Posted by Tim in Indiana at 7:45 PM on November 26
The Holiest of Holy religions, Multiculturalism, is clearly entering a new fundamentalist era.
I mean, just listen to these nuts.
Even the Muslims seem rational when compared with these superstitious idiots.
Posted by Stu at 7:56 PM on November 26
“Every year near the beginning of fall classes, during university orientation for new arrivals, students fan out across the city and seek donations from passersby.”
Judging by these demographic figures, Ottawa, the capital city of Canada is comprised of the vast majority population of 627,000 white people.
Essentially, it wouldn’t be difficult for white men and white women to simply REFUSE any requests for donations to this anti-white campaign.
However, I don’t really blame the students in this case because universities are no longer mandated to teach, but more to indoctrinate their young minds with the usual Marxist dogma. So a hard dose of reality could set them back on their own feet when potential white donors turn their backs and walk away. That would be an “education” in itself.
Posted by at 8:09 PM on November 26
I am surprised that I am no longer surprised. But it no longer ourages or sickens me, all it does is reinforce my belief that white males are under attack from all sides. Until the rest of the white population wakes up this will continue. But I am confident we will wake up, but not so confident that we will be able to do much as the demagraphics are starting to become insurmountable.
Posted by Ed Mc at 8:14 PM on November 26
I have stopped giving donations to several groups over the years because their positions slanted more and more towards minority groups at the expense of whites. I am 60 years old and was always very charitable and willing to give to almost anyone or any group in need. At this point, I will not give one cent to any group without knowing how and where the money will be spent. White people need to take care of white people first and foremost. If there is anything left over after that, you can choose to do with it as you will.
Posted by at 8:34 PM on November 26
Nowadays, leftists look back on past eras and chide the persons of those times for their ‘bigoted’ behavior, such as white-only immigration policies, emphasis on families, and pride in western culture. I predict that one day, historians will look back on our era and shake their heads at our rampant bigotry. They will point out that unfairness is unfairness, regardless of who it’s directed against. And political correctness will be reviled for the closed-minded (i.e., liberals), sexist (i.e., against men), racist (i.e., against whites), and heterophobic (no explanation required) doctrine that it is.
Posted by Matt at 8:42 PM on November 26
The kids in my high school who could not get into McGill or Concordia ended up at Carlton.
Still the same high standards I see.
Posted by Marc at 8:58 PM on November 26
“I am currently not able to live happily,” he said.
Neither are white people with CF.
Posted by at 9:24 PM on November 26
“Mr. Northrup said the whole issue has been blown out of proportion, and the backlash has been ‘fairly unkind.’
He has received hate email and random Facebook messages.
‘I am currently not able to live happily,’ he said.”
Well, we already know this is an abjectly feckless and wretched idiot; however, the issue of the backlash against him being described as “fairly unkind,” demonstrates that there really are no words in the English language to adequately describe just how hopelessly stupid he is.
Why do you think they call it a backlash Comrade Northrup, because it is meant to make you “live happily?”
Of course, what is to be expected from someone so neutered and debased in his thinking, that he denounces cystic fibrosis as not being “inclusive” enough to warrant charity to its victims?
As always, God help us all!
Posted by John PM at 9:50 PM on November 26
Just when I think the left can’t sink any lower, now I hear of this?
It just proves that liberalism is the embodiment of pure evil!
Posted by at 12:19 AM on November 27
The panel received information prior to the vote that was factually incorrect… That’s certainly no surprise! It is a surprise someone cared enough (was ‘hateful’ enough - depending on your outlook) to call them on it.
Posted by DB at 2:22 AM on November 27
The panel received information prior to the vote that was factually incorrect… That’s certainly no surprise! It is a surprise someone cared enough (was ‘hateful’ enough - depending on your outlook) to call them on it. People who question the multicult are often relegated to places like AmRen. I was watching Barbara Walters interview Obama tonight. He believes people like us are going to be even more marginalized.
Posted by DB at 2:25 AM on November 27
Bad enough only us Whites have to suffer from this disease but now they want to reduce the funding on it. You’d think non-Whites would simply be thankful they don’t have to suffer with it. GOOD GRIEF!
Posted by at 7:19 AM on November 27
If you notice, white activists are super eager to destroy every advantage and benefit that their own people enjoy, while black activists are eager to expand every advantage and benefit the can gain for their own.
At what point will this insanity end, and white people start realizing that they too have legitimate interests that deserve to be defended?
Posted by kookville at 8:11 AM on November 27
White people are simply considered sub-human to both non-whites and leftist whites. That includes your (and my) mother, father, son, daughter, brother, sister, wife, husband …etc
One good thing to come out of this is that now I know which charity I will support.
Posted by Bernie at 10:19 AM on November 27
“You’d think non-Whites would simply be thankful they don’t have to suffer with it. GOOD GRIEF!”
I knew an African American girl who actually had a disease like that - one that whites are much more likely to get, multiple sclerosis. She was kind-of mad about it, in a way. If it weren’t for white folks, if she didn’t have any white blood, she wouldn’t have had the disease.
I’m not sure why she mentioned this to me. I am a white guy, and not a white girl after all.
I guess when they say we need to celebrate all of our heritage, they are really being quite specific about it.
Posted by at 10:30 AM on November 27
What kind of ideology is it that does not care about the most creative, most intelligent, most charitable class of people on the planet, namely White men? And why? BECAUSE THEY EXCEL.
When the White men are knocked off, the White women are next. Then, who? Why, the most intelligent and creative of whoever is left, that’s who.
But it won’t be Orientals. Liberalism is as foreign to them as … Christianity?
Why must we lift up them who do not deserve or appreciate it?
Why are we held hostage by their need? You see the thanks we get. As other posters have said, nix the charities, or at least investigate them very carefully.
Old Druidic saying: As you do to the least of these thy brethren, you do so to the least of these thy brethren. Treat them with genuine courtesy and respect, help them if you wish, but they are the least of these thy brethren, and you owe them NOTHING.
Posted by OrienCeltic Druid-dude at 2:18 PM on November 27
Canada again. Some strange stories coming down from up north. The mob attacking Jared Taylor at Halifax. The eavesdropping thought police at Queen’s University.
Now this out of Ottowa. Maybe the northern latitude with the long winters has caused the rampant PC brain infection to mutate into very distinct strain in the white people up there. These innocent’s lack of contact with minorities has kept them from building up immunity to the disease. A little first-hand knowledge can innoculate even the most mediocre and malleable of minds.
The bottom line is self-destructive multiculturalism is the real sickness that afflicts only white people.
Posted by at 3:53 PM on November 27
What kind of ideology is it that does not care about the most creative, most intelligent, most charitable class of people on the planet, namely White men?
Posted by OrienCeltic Druid-dude at 2:18 PM on November 27
How about using some of that self-glorification of creativity and intelligence to find a way out of this mess. The problem with comments like those is that while they may boost self-esteem, it also increases complacency and the sense that things will work out, when there’s really no reason to believe so. A superior race would not have gotten into this situation. And definitely, a superior race would, by now, have had a plan to extricate itself if it did.
Posted by Fluxkpacitor at 4:52 PM on November 27
“But even if it were true that only white males got CF, what of it? We raise money for breast cancer even though it is primarily a female disease. We raise money for Tay-Sachs, even thought it strikes almost exclusively Jews. That’s because we raise money to save people— not tribes.”
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=995116
Posted by Marc at 5:23 PM on November 27
Even by the insane standards of the PC culture of Canada, and most acutly it’s institutions of higher “learning” (indoctrination), this decision by the Carlton University Student’s Association is madness. Since when are deseases “inclusive”? Are we now to apply the dictates of racial Marxism to deseases? The only “inclusive” desease I see here is the soul sickness of modern White drones. This insanity has been induced by a generation of evil anti-White, anti-male propaganda. That deseases that affect the target group (White males) of this propaganda are now subject to defunding should scare even the thickest of White people. This thin edge of the wedge is one more step toward factories that turn White men from carbon-based life forms into carbon ash. It’s only a matter of degree.
Posted by White Canadian at 5:37 PM on November 27
“At what point will this insanity end, and white people start realizing that they too have legitimate interests that deserve to be defended?”
When reality can no longer be evaded. When the pain becomes too large to ignore. When the wealth, at long last, runs out. When the comfort zone becomes the twilight zone…
Posted by Kuda Bux at 6:01 PM on November 27
It seems pretty clear that most people in Ottowa are as disgusted by this as the average Amren reader, so there are still signs of health in the great white north. The answer is obvious,just tell these students where to get off when they start importuning for funds - then send a donation to Cystic Fibrosis.
Posted by jrb in England at 7:59 PM on November 27
Fluxcapacitor, I was not trying to boost anyone’s self-esteem.
If they need me to boost it, then, by definition, it is not SELF-esteem. Self-esteem is an inside job.
Increases complacency? How so? The wiser a person is, the less he underestimates his enemy. White people have surely underestimated the enemy. White people are so arrogant that they think everyone loves them and is grateful to them.
While the White race has intelligence, does it have WISDOM? Wisdom comes from living with self-awareness and having personal standards. I do not see much self-awareness, much less wisdom, among anyone, these days.
I said that Whites were intelligent, creative and charitable—more so, GENERALLY SPEAKING, than any race on earth. That is not saying that they are superior, in terms of survival, and, perhaps, some other categories. Survival takes wisdom, AND THE GOAL OF SURVIVING. No one is more foolish then the one who does not know he is under attack.
Liberals are, generally speaking, intelligent, creative and charitable. Many of them work in the creative media. I do not think they are wise, nor do I think they are putting their creativity to good use. But they are intelligent, quick, and creative. My personal opinion is that a racially-aware, moral liberal is pure gold, much like the “old-fashioned” liberals.
Maybe because of my slightly “mongrel” genetics I never quite fit into the White race, and was ostracized by many. But I consider myself White, and I think I have a valid vantage point from which to view my fellow Whites, even though they usually do not know what I am talking about, or where I am coming from, especially the non-Celts (read “Anglo-Saxon”).
Posted by OrienCeltic Druid-dude at 8:50 PM on November 27
It seems pretty clear that most people in Ottowa are as disgusted by this as the average Amren reader, so there are still signs of health in the great white north. The answer is obvious,just tell these students where to get off when they start importuning for funds - then send a donation to Cystic Fibrosis.
Posted by jrb in England at 9:06 PM on November 27
Who wants diseases to be “inclusive”? I want them to be as exclusive of me as possible.
Posted by at 9:30 PM on November 27
“At this point, I will not give one cent to any group without knowing how and where the money will be spent.”
Same here. It means giving less & less money to charity each year, or more to animal shelters. Almost all the mail solicitations I get are for non-whites, & since those all go directly into the circular file, that basically leaves kittens & puppies.
Posted by StrangeToSay at 12:08 AM on November 28
“As a Canadian, I can help explain that Carlton is pretty much at the bottom of the pile of Canadian Universities..This story … just illustrates the point.”
Posted by Kevin
Top of the pile, bottom of the pile, I’m not so sure that explains it completely, Kevin. I wouldn’t be surprised to read the same story coming from Harvard. In fact, I’d expect it.
Posted by voter at 12:41 AM on November 28
“I knew an African American girl who had a disease like that - one that whites are much more likely to get, multiple sclerosis. She was kind-of mad about it…If it weren’t for white folks, if she didn’t have any white blood, she wouldn’t have had the disease. “
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If she didn’t have those white genes in her, she would not be the person she is. She wouldn’t exist! End of story.
Posted by voter at 12:59 AM on November 28
One of the councillors who voted in favour of switching the charity said Monday night that the information provided to the panel prior to the vote was factually incorrect, and he will be seeking support from other members to hold an emergency meeting to reconsider their decision. “After seeing all the reaction today, I definitely think it should be revisited and reconsidered,”
‘Caucasian’ as we understand it isn’t just white people,” said Ms. Morrison. “It includes people with a whole rainbow of skins.”
Mr. Northrup said “not a lot of thought” went into the wording, and didn’t realize caucasian applied to other groups that weren’t necessarily white.
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I don’t find the above “sort of ” apology to be acceptable. They’re giving all the wrong reasons! They are not apologizing because what they did was morally wrong, but because it was based on a misunderstanding. In other words, it’s perfectly alright to discriminate against white males, just so long as your have all your facts straight.
What a bunch of educated morons! And these are college students!
Posted by at 1:20 AM on November 28
Well if you see any of these ‘students’ out doing their shine-a-rama then you know what to tell them.
“I refuse to donate money to racists”
And
“Goodbye”
Posted by angry dave at 5:44 AM on November 28
QUOTE: What kind of ideology is it that does not care about the most creative, most intelligent, most charitable class of people on the planet, namely White men?
Posted by OrienCeltic Druid-dude at 2:18 PM on November 27
QUOTE: How about using some of that self-glorification of creativity and intelligence to find a way out of this mess. The problem with comments like those is that while they may boost self-esteem, it also increases complacency and the sense that things will work out, when there’s really no reason to believe so. A superior race would not have gotten into this situation. And definitely, a superior race would, by now, have had a plan to extricate itself if it did.
Posted by Fluxkpacitor at 4:52 PM on November 27
I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone else actually come to this realization; that viewing ourselves as superior will not bring us any advantage, but believing we are behind and need to catch up will make us work harder.
Posted by at 5:52 AM on November 28
How about sickle cell? Wouldnt that be too black and nor diverse enough of a deadly disease? Why dont we hear much about sickle cell anymore anyway? Was it too racist that only blacks get it? Is that anti-pc?
Posted by at 8:05 AM on November 28
Doesn’t this absolutely take the cake… This insane act represents the ultimate crime of racial discrimination and poisonous hate! I hope this university continues to get an earful, and this hate crime only serves to wake up more white Canadians. Just as down here and in every other Western nation, whites need to band together and fight for our survival.
Please check a great site called “Western Voices World News” along with a growing group called “European Americans United.” I belive that more white sites will develp since the election of Barack Obama; and the more, the better!
We must organize now before it’s too late…
Posted by Jackers at 9:37 AM on November 28
No surprise that even diseases are politicized. AIDS has been a favored disease since it became obvious what segments of the population get it.
Posted by at 9:56 AM on November 28
“Mr. Northrup said “not a lot of thought” went into the wording, and didn’t realize caucasian applied to other groups that weren’t necessarily white.”
“not a lot of thought” went into any of this, it seems.
I can’t help but marvel at the fact that Canada used to be a place where white 1-A boys used to go to Canada to avoid dying in a SE Asia toilet.
How times have changed.
Posted by Tidy-Whitey at 10:00 AM on November 28
“A superior race would not have gotten into this situation. And definitely, a superior race would, by now, have had a plan to extricate itself if it did.”
Posted by Fluxkpacitor
“I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone else come to this realization — that viewing ourselves as superior will not bring us any advantage; but believing we are behind and need to catch up will make us work harder.”
Posted by at 5:52 AM
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I agree that all this chest-beating braggadocio will get us nowhere. It’s tiresome, and it’s foolish.
It will just lead us to assume that everything will work out alright, naturally, the way it’s supposed to.
Posted by Ninguno at 12:50 PM on November 28
I used to Volunteer my time at a charity the helped 95% (blacks) I can tell you this 99.9% of the help, time and money was provided by NON BLACKS. Left to their own devices (blacks) would just lay in the streets crying out “We needs Hep, We needs Hep”
If it’s not FREE and provided by the effort of others, they don’t want it. And I Know..
Posted by Lucy at 2:00 PM on November 28
‘Caucasian’ as we understand it isn’t just white people,” said Ms. Morrison. “It includes people with a whole rainbow of skins.”
Mr. Northrup said “not a lot of thought” went into the wording, and didn’t realize caucasian applied to other groups that weren’t necessarily white.
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Oh, so that makes it alright after all. Thank goodness. Whew! Just as long as it applies to “a whole rainbow of skins” who aren’t “necessarily white”. Well that’s a big relief. If they had been white skins on white people, it would have been unforgiveable.
Posted by Ninguno at 10:56 PM on November 28
I do think there may be some hope in the reactions of other Canadians to this inane move by students at Carleton, spearheaded by Mr. Northrup. On the other hand, what worries me is that we may be looking at the next prime minister of Canada.
Posted by BeenHereTooLong at 12:58 AM on November 29
Fluxcapacitor, 5:52 AM and Ninguno:
Have you ever studied philosophy as a method of expanding consciousness and understanding the premises of another person, what they have said or written?
Hang out with Anselm for awhile!
Another good thing to do is to watch magic illusionists on TV, then try to figure out how they did it, taking as your first premise that magic, as a “supernatural” phenomenom, does not really happen. This will give a person a sense of causality and logical realism, and the more grounded he is in the physical world, the more practical and workable his solution will be. Then (and this is the key) you can transfer this whole mode of thought to verbal and visual communication.
This same method can be used in studying works of fiction or fine art.
I believe that consciousness, in terms of self-awareness and other-awareness, can be strengthened.
Also, the older I get, the more respect I have for those college graduates of the Liberal Arts. They have a gentility, a lack of impatience, a willingness to examine different facets of an issue, and a sense of logical causality in their communications—all these I find admirable.
Posted by OrienCeltic Druid-dude at 9:38 AM on November 29
Fluxcapacitor, 5:52 AM and Ninguno:
Have you ever studied philosophy as a method of expanding consciousness and understanding the premises of another person, what they have said or written?
Hang out with Anselm for awhile!
Another good thing to do is to watch magic illusionists on TV, then try to figure out how they did it, taking as your first premise that magic, as a “supernatural” phenomenom, does not really happen. This will give a person a sense of causality and logical realism, and the more grounded he is in the physical world, the more practical and workable his solution will be. Then (and this is the key) you can transfer this whole mode of thought to verbal and visual communication.
This same method can be used in studying works of fiction or fine art.
I believe that consciousness, in terms of self-awareness and other-awareness, can be strengthened.
Also, the older I get, the more respect I have for those college graduates of the Liberal Arts. They have a gentility, a lack of impatience, a willingness to examine different facets of an issue, and a sense of logical causality in their communications—all these I find admirable.
Posted by OrienCeltic Druid-dude at 9:40 AM on November 29
PS—I would like to take back, as much as I can, what I said about Anglo-Saxons.
My remark was an unkind generalization, and was uncalled for.
Posted by OrienCeltic Druid-dude at 10:27 AM on November 29
“the most intelligent, most creative, most charitable class of people on the planet”
Sir, may I suggest that this type of raw, naked, frenzied chest-beating and howling at the moon has no place on a rational web-site such as this one?
If you wish to state your case, please do so without the imagery of marching minions and jack-booted thugs!
All the best to you, Sir!
Posted by at 10:52 AM on November 29
“I would like to take back, as much as I can, what I said about Anglo-Saxons.”
Druid Dude
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That’s alright. Don’t worry! I took no offense. You were not unkind. In fact you left me curious as to what you meant by your vague statement about having a more “valid vantage point from which to view my fellow Whites, even though they usually do not know what I am talking about.” If anything, I wish you had said more.
In fact, you seem to have attracted more criticism here than you were due, for your very innocent (if overly flowery) compliment to whites. Yes, we do need to tone down the chest-pounding, but also the self-flaggelation too.
Posted by ghw at 5:43 PM on November 29
Posted by at 9:42 PM on November 29
I’ve been told that the Carlton Students Association decision has been reversed in light of public criticism.
Posted by at 4:25 PM on November 30
I wonder how these people (who voted for the resolution) would feel if they themselves or a family member, came down with cystic fibrosis.
Do these people feel the same way about Tay-Sachs disease? That, because it’s primarily a Jewish disease, it’s not all-inclusive?
Posted by Soprano Fan at 6:16 PM on November 30
Thankyou for your kind comments, ghw.
I thought my comment pretty innocent, also. I suspect certain individuals are pulling my leg, as I have also pulled other peoples’ legs on this website.
I think my unique vantage point is this: I have never fit in anywhere, but yet, even though I have a college degree (BA), I have worked in warehouses and had some pretty rough manual labor jobs. I got to experience some very different ways of responding to our culture. I have been despised by Whites and supported by Blacks, and vice-versa. People think that I am on their side, and then find out that I do not have a side.
So on the one hand, I was given a liberal arts education, with all that entails, and on the other hand, I was not given any breaks by my own people, and ended up working with people who had a very first hand experience of working-class (even lower-class) life!
Even today, with my own business, I still frequently do manual labor. I have even poured concrete with the “brothers” during the day, then gone to a Brahm’s piano concerto at night.
Don’t start playing any violins for me! I am not complaining!
It has been a trip! I am not claiming any superiority, just a vantage point that may be unique.
Posted by OrienCeltic Druid-dude at 7:41 PM on November 30
No wonder Canada will be another ‘California’ within my lifetime. Can’t the good decent minorities residing in the Great White North of Canada treat European Canadians with respect? This is stupid.
If I were to study abroad in Canada, I should definitely cross Carleton University for my lists of schools.
USC Trojans Patriot
Posted by USC Trojans Patriot at 1:42 AM on December 1
In doing some reading around the ‘Net (God help me), I’ve found where some people feel that all this fuss about what the Carleton Scholars did has been blown out of proportion greatly by what has been perceived as a “vast right-wing conspiracy.” Stated another way, we conservatives are finding fault where we shouldn’t be finding fault, or we’re racist, or we’re “haters.” Sound familiar? I happen to be one of those who feels that idiotic antics along the lines of abolishing help to victims of CF, for no good reason whatsoever, is evidence of a vast left-wing conspiracy.
I was also more than a little annoyed by Mr. Northrup’s imbecilic claim that he isn’t focusing on polishing up his writing because he’s a science major. What is integrated science? A catch-all major for scientific losers? Rocket science by another name? Astrophysics? Biochemistry? Nuclear physics? Chemistry? Molecular biology? Computer science and engineering? Even scientists need to be able to write and to express themselves well. Let’s hope he doesn’t change his mind and go into medicine. Sadly, he’s not alone in being a victim of the great dumbing-down of the world. I do hope I haven’t been “unfairly unkind,” and I hope he’ll be able to live happily.
Posted by BeenHereTooLong at 2:57 AM on December 2
As a white man I am absolutely insulted by Mr Northrups self centered stupidity. But as a father of a child with cystic fibrosis I must deal with this disease everyday of my life. Mr. Northrup, you may “GO TO HELL”
Posted by Old MAn at 4:56 PM on December 2
“Why dont we hear much about sickle cell anymore anyway?”
First sickle cell is disappearing. It takes 2 parents with the sickle gene. Then there is only a 25 percent chance that they will have a child with the gene.
That child will have to find a partner with the gene to produce a sickle cell child. But there is only a 25 percent chance that they actually produce a child with a sickle gene.
Because it needs 2 parents with the gene and the low chances of those parents producing a child with the gene, sickle cell is dying out.
Every generation there are fewer and fewer sickle cell children being born.
Sickle cell is not curable. But, like diabetes and other diseases, it is very managable with pain pills, adequate hydration, avoidance of too much physical extertion and prompt medical treatment when necessary.
Posted by nurse at 10:11 PM on December 4