Justice Department Sues Dayton Over Hiring Practices
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Lou Grieco, Dayton Daily News, Sept. 30, 2008
The U.S. Department of Justice has filed a lawsuit against the City of Dayton, alleging the city has discriminated against blacks through its hiring practices for police officers and firefighters.
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The lawsuit states that the city’s civilian labor force is about 36.8 percent black. Of the 440 police officers in all ranks, only 9.1 percent is black.
Only 2.4 percent of the city’s 332 firefighters are black, the lawsuit states.
At issue is a written test the city gives to applicants. Those who pass are placed on an eligibility list in descending rank order of test scores.
The city set the passing score for the 2006 police test at 70 percent. The pass rates for whites was 68.1 percent, while the pass rate for blacks was 28.7 percent.
“While African Americans constituted 16.2 percent of all applicants who took that examination, African Americans constituted only 7.6 percent of the applicants who passed that examination—a result that reduced the proportion of African American applicants under consideration by approximately 50 percent,” the lawsuit states.
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Neither the test nor the heightened qualifications are “job related for the position in question and consistent with business necessity” and do not meet the requirements of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the lawsuit states.
(Posted on September 30, 2008)
Comments
I’m for hiring any kind of Americans who are truly qualified for a job. The central government has been given power by the leftists for so long that they believe it is their job to totally control the American citizenry.
Posted by Bobby at 5:02 PM on September 30
How is it that blacks can fail so badly and this is ignored? This is akin to the housing crisis we are in. Whites will have to carry blacks, there will be more issues with police also.
The feds are multi-cult dictators.
Posted by at 5:15 PM on September 30
My solution to these issues is to give blacks the jobs under the condition they have to be assigned to their own communities.
Posted by sbuffalonative at 5:26 PM on September 30
Someone should tell the Justice Dept. that this is a matter of public safety, and I’m sure those tests are administered for a purpose. Why does everything have to be an AA program for the blacks??
Posted by kitty at 5:26 PM on September 30
Anything that has standards in the positive sense of the word is going to have fewer blacks and Hispanics. They don’t have a high enough home ownership rate? Eviscerate the tried-and-true mortgage lending standards, and watch banks and investment houses collapse in earnest. Too few black cops and firefighters? Lower the test standards, so we can have more “subprime” cops.
Posted by Question Diversity at 5:35 PM on September 30
Here is an interesting bit of data:In Oakland, Ca, a while ago a large number of candidates tried out for the position of Poliece Officer. Only 5% of them could qualify to go on to the next step.(I am not lying).
Posted by Peejay in Frisco at 6:06 PM on September 30
When will the federal government finally realize that we ALL suffer every time they attempt to cram their social engineering agenda down our throats? Have they not learned anything at all from this bailout they are requesting? Whether its poor credit scores or poor test scores, these people constantly require additional help just to compete, and this help always comes back to haunt society at large in the long run.
Artificially lifting these people up will never change their genetics. As B. Obama said, ”You can put lipstick on a pig…..”
Posted by Cop at 6:49 PM on September 30
I guess there is not enough crime in Dayton or enough buildings being completely burnt down/people burnt to death to suit the feds, who insist on racial social engineering quotas, so that Dayton can emulate the nightmare which is Detroit!
Posted by Sissy White at 6:51 PM on September 30
There’s only one solution: Whites should just leave Dayton.
Posted by Flaxen-headed Strumpet at 6:53 PM on September 30
“While [blacks] constituted 16.2 percent of all applicants who TOOK that examination, [blacks] constituted only 7.6 percent of the applicants who PASSED that examination.”
For heaven’s sake, somebody call the Feds; we have a blatant case of discrimination explicitly outlawed by the Civil Rights Act of 1964!
You go ahead and rest in peace, LBJ, while the rest of us wrestle with the legacy of your vainglorious vision of a “Great Society.”
Posted by KonfederateKarl at 7:05 PM on September 30
Notice how they don’t call the test itself racist, just the outcome? This is actually an outright admission by the government that blacks are less intelligent and can’t compete on a level playing field with whites. The heart of this matter is if society should subsidize the less intelligent to the detriment of all of us when it comes to occupations like police and firemen. That answer should clearly be no. Blacks should hold occupations that they are suited for just like everybody else. Forced equality will never work. Time to end the denial.
Posted by Robert at 7:11 PM on September 30
This is absurd. Is literacy and general intelligence never “job related”?
Posted by at 7:43 PM on September 30
“The DOJ is asking that the city enter into a consent decree, and stop using its current written examination for police officers and heightened qualifications for firefighters. They also want city officials to adopt and implement new screening and selection procedures for incoming police officers and firefighters.
The letter also asks that the city “…provide make-whole relief (including job offers, retroactive seniority and back pay with interest) to those African Americans who have been harmed by the City’s use of its written examination for police officer (sic), as well as its use of heightened qualifications for firefighter (sic).”
http://www.whiotv.com/news/17447627/detail.html
This should be taken to an Appeals Court - literacy & general intelligence are job related & very important in the police force especially.
Posted by Sane Man at 8:00 PM on September 30
Are Dayton’s basketball and football teams racially representative of the city? Well no, of course not. You see, it’s very important that only the best candidates get picked for sports teams because otherwise the games might get lost. However, when it comes to firefighters and police officers, nobody really cares if they perform that well. Compared to winning a game, catching a felon or rescuing people from fires is of minimal importance.
Posted by jewamongyou at 8:05 PM on September 30
Police officers need to be able to write coherent, detailed arrest reports. Whenever a city police force has dumbed down it’s recruitment test in response to the bias charge, the result has been city and district attorneys who have to drop criminal charges against defendants because the arresting officer’s report was so badly written as to be incoherent. What is the USDOJ going to say when the families of black murder victims start a hue and cry because the blacks who murdered their loved ones go free? Didn’t this already happen somewhere?
Does the USDOJ want the Dayton police force to emulate the enlisted ranks of the US Army, which has set a bottom IQ limit of 85 for enlistment? A person with an IQ of 85 is functionally illiterate. He/she cannot decipher a bus schedule, calculate a tip at a restaurant, use logic to build an argument, or plan ahead for the future. Are borderline retarded police officers what the citizens of Dayton want between them and anarchy?
Posted by at 9:05 PM on September 30
I live near Dayton. Thank God above I don’t live IN Dayton. The Empress of Gaudy Hats, Mayor Rhine McLin is black. Why doesn’t she just hire gang-bangers off the street and slap a badge on them. I mean, they are already well-armed and know the Dayton streets really well. And I’m sure they can sniff out meth and crack without the use of police dogs. Of course, that would mean the rest of the residents of the city would move out, who haven’t done so already and all businesses would shut down (except liquor stores and nail salons).
Maybe Dayton can’t afford the crown air fresheners and gold rims needed for all the squad cars.
Posted by Erik at 9:10 PM on September 30
This is a no-brainer. If you pass the tests and are qualified, then you get hired when job positions come open. I live about 25 miles south of Dayton. I have spent alot of time in Dayton on business and with friends. Trust me, there are plenty of black civil servants. Affirmative action is pure socialism. Dayton does not need affirmative action. Parts of west Dayton are looking alot like the east side of Detroit. More black cops aren’t going to help one bit.
Posted by Roller at 9:13 PM on September 30
We don’t have Affirmative Action in the police force here in 3rd World SE Asia. The current officers just sell positions (going rate of about US$1,000) to the applicants. I don’t see either system as working, they both produce corrupt, inept policemen.
Funny story, I am a member of a club that annually gives an award to the Top Policemen in the city. It is almost impossible to find awardees because almost all policemen are undeserving. And to make matters worse, some of the previous awardees get into trouble (public drunkeness, assault during a domestic argument, normally both at the same time) after receiving the award. We are so desperate, we generally give out posthumous awards, because there is less chance of embarassment.
Posted by Lost in Paradise at 9:58 PM on September 30
‘Good thing we’ve had a “conservative Republican” in the White House for nearly 8 years…
Posted by Glenn at 10:50 PM on September 30
“Artificially lifting these people up will never change their genetics. As B. Obama said, ”You can put lipstick on a pig…..”
Posted by Cop at 6:49 PM on September 30
LOL! Excellent point, guy.
That applies to almost everything that is done for blacks.
Posted by Robert Kelly at 10:58 PM on September 30
Once again, in their efforts to expose all that hidden white “racism” the ‘Powers That Be’ have actually laid bare our own arguments of how obviously and undeniably Blacks lag behind Whites in intellectual, perceptual and cognitive pursuits. That this is lost on both the Feds and the Blacks themsleves is just that much more evidence of how absolutely blinded by ideological fantasies they really are.
Posted by HH at 11:04 PM on September 30
So the fed is suing because they believe one race is taking advantage of other. Oh really? Well, someone kindly explain to me why the fed isn’t interested in the city of Compton Ca. Here is a city that is 60% Hispanic, 40 black. However, blacks control every political seat in the city.
Posted by at 11:06 PM on September 30
You know, I just re-read my copy of the Constitution and couldn’t find the part where the Federal government is allowed to sue ANYBODY.
Or did I buy the abridged edition my mistake?
Posted by Wild Eyed Charlie at 11:08 PM on September 30
And…What percentage of whites marry or copulate with blacks..??? Perhaps this is something the federal government needs to get involved with, by punishing whites that pair off white whites and giving subsidies or grants to those that mischeginate?? Just maybe the testing is not institutionalized racism and should not be ignored?…
Posted by Petrarch at 11:37 PM on September 30
Ok, so it sounds like the black mayor pushed this nonsense. Get out while you can, you have been warned! I would like to see who exactly is ‘prosecuting’ also.
Posted by at 12:47 AM on October 1
“use logic to build an argument, or plan ahead for the future.”
The folks who gave us the great society failed at these tasks, with IQs above 85. Umm, perhaps they were using EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE:
Amazon.com Review
There was a time when IQ was considered the leading determinant of success. In this fascinating book, based on brain and behavioral research, Daniel Goleman argues that our IQ-idolizing view of intelligence is far too narrow. Instead, Goleman makes the case for “emotional intelligence” being the strongest indicator of human success. He defines emotional intelligence in terms of self-awareness, altruism, personal motivation, empathy, and the ability to love and be loved by friends, partners, and family members. People who possess high emotional intelligence are the people who truly succeed in work as well as play, building flourishing careers and lasting, meaningful relationships. Because emotional intelligence isn’t fixed at birth, Goleman outlines how adults as well as parents of young children can sow the seeds.
http://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Intelligence-Matter-More-Than/dp/0553375067
Posted by TabuLa Raza at 2:30 AM on October 1
If you only half qualify for a position (I know it sounds being half pregnant), maybe they could be like a half-cop.
And have their own special uniform, something inbetween a boy scout/real cop uniform but without a gun of course.
And they could travel along with the real cops and ‘help out’, you know carrying things and making hot drinks etc.
Posted by Gen X in Oz at 3:15 AM on October 1
Isn’t it true that the black mayor of New Orleans gave all his black police six days paid leave because of stress? This immediately post-katrina when the white police arrived to rescue survivors of the black mayhem. AMREN has an excellent post on this subject ‘Africa in our Midst; Lessons From Katrina’. Anyone who hasn’t yet read it should do so before commenting on this particular story or any others to do with giving blacks responsibilities.
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/09/africa_in_our_m.php
Posted by Yorkshireman at 6:26 AM on October 1
The NBA is made up of about 20% White, yet Whites make up 78% of the population. Someone needs to sue the NBA and get more White players.
Posted by RDH53 at 6:40 AM on October 1
The federal government is forcing towns to break the law and violate the Constitution. (Affirmative action is illegal and unconstitutional).
Posted by at 6:58 AM on October 1
In Euclid Ohio they did the same thing.The city had to come up with a way to hire more blacks so they started this lateral hiring.They wave the test if you are black and you are working for another police department.They couldn’t get enough blacks because Euclid’s police test was too hard.So our wonderful country changed the rules again.Our country is gone,time to start a new one.
Posted by THE MAN at 7:07 AM on October 1
The resources of the United States are scarce. If resources weren’t scarce.There would enough decent paying jobs to accomodate both Whites and Blacks. No need for affirmative action.Despite the fact that the resources-middle clas jobs for example-are scarce, millions of hispanics,muslims,asians and africans have been allowed to come to America and breed thereby increasing the number of people competing for these resources.This is a blueprint for violent racial conflict in the future.This is the larger issue behind this news item.
Posted by Jupiter at 7:36 AM on October 1
As our cities become ALL AFRICAN ALL THE TIME, this will always happen. If you live anywhere near, or in, a city, move out. These cities will go the way of Detroit, etc. and will not be safe for any white person or white family.
We whites can still move and take civilization with us. Let the blacks stay in the cities, near the welfare offices and government jobs, while we retreat to the forests for now. Eventually we will retreat no more and then have a clear solution to this problem.
Oh, this “sub-prime” process WILL result in fewer Africans owning homes, especially in the suburbs, which is great for the white community. No matter what the Government does with this bail out to the Bankers, the cover in blown and nobody is ever going to do these Minority Loans again since they can’t sell them to investment houses or foreign banks.
I just thought of something. The Democrats may be trying so hard to get direct control of Fannie/Freddie so they can continue buying up the garbage Minority Loans. If they can put their own people in charge then they can continue this and cover up the buying. Does anybody on the “inside” know if this is going to happen?
If they get control they will perpetuate the sub-prime market but force the employees to keep quiet (most of them will be democrats and black anyway). Thus, mortgage brokers will still write these garbage loans and sell them to Freddie/Fannie and collect their commissions and do this over and over. We, the tax payers (whtie peoople) will have to subsidize the loans with our money since we know most of these Africans and Mexicans will default. Great.
Posted by at 9:58 AM on October 1
I guess the Federal Government figures it like this, if you don’t need brains to be president why should you need brains to be a police officer.
I really do wonder how many politicians could pass the police officer entrance exam or event the background check.
Did anyone ever think of giving presidential candidates a simple test and post the results before election day. Buy electing a president we are in fact hiring someone to run the country. Shoudn’t we know more about them than the fact that they can read a teleprompter. From what I saw on the debates I wouldn’t hire either candidate for dog catcher.
It is very sad that cities are forced to hire stupid cops but even worse when we are forced to hire a stupid president.
Posted by Daniel at 10:57 AM on October 1
They’ve been doing this for over 40 years now, every time with disastrous results. When will they learn?
Posted by Mike at 11:47 AM on October 1
Keep dumbing down everything in this country. We’re already the laughing stock of the world. We are a Third World nation.
I love my country but I HATE my government!!!
Posted by GetBackJack at 1:20 PM on October 1
Why is it that the (blacks) are not ashamed and embarrassed by the fact they just can’t seem to get anywhere with out SPECIAL HEP AND CONSIDERATION? Other minorities seem to prosper but the poor ole black guy just can’t seem to get anywhere without all this SPECIAL HEP AND ATTENTION. I would be very sad if I were black to know that we as a group were so pathetic and hepless.
Posted by T Rexx at 1:42 PM on October 1
I would like to point out what an abject failure these test results represent. If these test takers represent the motivated NON-felons in the young black community (25% are Felons) and still over 50% failed the basic I.Q. test…
Whew!
Posted by Gun Runner at 1:43 PM on October 1
THe city, like many including the one I worked for for 23 years will institute an “adverse impact adjustment” of the testing process. Most big city police depts. get sued over this issue and begin to use that method. It is now common place in several large agencies for part of the announcement on testing day to be that all the white guys have to score over 95% to make it further in the process. Sometimes they are pulled aside and told this but often it is vebalized to the group
Posted by cartman at 2:15 PM on October 1
RDH53 at 6:40 AM is correct. Firefighting and police work are far more important than basketball. Why give a test at all if the Feds are going to require AA in everything?
Posted by Frank at 3:31 PM on October 1
” […]Dayton can emulate the nightmare which is Detroit!” - Sissy White
The funny thing about Detroit is there are plenty of blacks that pass the written exam; however, it’s that pesky drug screening test they can’t pass. True story!
Posted by at 4:12 PM on October 1
“They’ve been doing this for over 40 years now, every time with disastrous results. When will they learn?”
What makes anybody think that the disastrous results are not exactly what the Feds want.
Posted by Ronin at 8:16 PM on October 1
The thing I can’t understand is how any white with half a brain could vote for Obama. Bad as it is the situation will be ten times worse with the big push to turn government at every level dark brown under an Obama administration. Can’t whites see this?!
Posted by ricpic at 8:56 PM on October 1
“I love my country but I HATE my government!!!”
Actually, the phrase correctly articulated is: “I love my country, but I fear my government!” :-)
Posted by a realist at 9:23 PM on October 1
“They’ve been doing this for over 40 years now, every time with disastrous results. When will they learn?” — Mike
Mike, it’s not a question of “when will they learn,” it’s a question of when will WE learn how to stop them?
Posted by a realist at 9:30 PM on October 1
This dangerous nonsense has been going on for many years. The fact is that a lot of research has been done showing the importance of literacy & general intelligence to job performance in these deepartments - i.e, such tests ARE job related:
The PC absurdity of the DOJ interference was well presented by Prof Gottfredson years ago in this famous Constitutional Subcommittee testimony here
http://www.ipmaac.org/files/nassau/gottfredson6.html
she has many publications on the subject http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/#submitted
It is outrageous malfeasance to put people’s lives at high risk due to mental incompetence in order to increase dark skin pigmentation counts in police departments.
Posted by Canto 28 at 10:18 PM on October 1
So blacks only have to score 28% to pass the police exam? And more than half the blacks taking the test fail?
It’s time for whites to understand that blacks as a group are mentally incapable of contributing to white civilization. They need their own country, either in Africa, or somewhere in North America. And it would be easy to get them to move. Make welfare illegal in all but one or two states. Blacks would flock there. Instant segregation.
Posted by Joe G at 1:36 AM on October 2
So blacks only have to score 28% to pass the police exam? And more than half the blacks taking the test fail?
Posted by Joe G at 1:36 AM on October 2
Correction: Blacks did not have to socre only 28% to pass the police exam. Only 28% of the blacks who took the test passed. Seventy-two percent of the blacks who took the test did not pass.
Posted by Bill Black at 12:01 PM on October 2
It appears that Dayton was trying to hire qualified people. Don’t they know that that is illegal? Now they will dumb down the test so enough blacks will pass it (that’s what they did in Nassau county). Prediction: Within 8 years, there will be news stories about corrupt and incompetence police in Dayton. And people will wonder why.
Posted by Heteronormatively Privileged White Male Oppressor at 12:54 AM on October 3
This really upsets me because I did everything I was told to become a civilian law enforcement officer. I went in the United States Air Forces As a Security Forces Member and severed honorably for 6 years and in that time obtained my Bachelors of Science in Criminal Justice with a 3.53 GPA. I get out right before the testing cycle and the test gets canceled without an explanation and then I come to find it is because the DOJ wants more blacks on the force when the numbers of black applicants last time that actually passed the test was something like 7 percent. Ah it just makes me made that I feel like I am being held back because I was born a white male.
Posted by David Couture at 12:36 AM on December 14