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The Senate voted Wednesday to ratchet up the penalties for people who burn crosses or hang nooses could face, providing those acts were carried out to intimidate a person of a different race or background.
A plan sponsored by Sen. Doug Berger, D-Franklin, would make the displays felonies. Such offenses are misdemeanors under current law.
He said burning crosses and noose hangings are acts of terrorism.
“We’re not trying to punish speech here, we’re trying to punish an act, and that’s the act of intimidation,” Berger said.
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“I believe that the need for this bill ought to be self-evident,” said Sen. Floyd McKissick, D-Durham.
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[Sen. Jerry Tillman, R-Randolph] said the measure could have the unintended consequence of punishing teens who don’t realize the seriousness of their actions.
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(Posted on July 3, 2008)
Comments
so when are they going to make black gang graffiti felonies? or hispanic MS13 etc. graffiti felonies? when North Carolina rejoins the Confederacy, that’s when!
Posted by felller at 5:36 PM on July 3
“of a different race or background.”
What if the perpetrator is 1/2 race A and 1/2 race B, and the victim is 1/2 race B and 1/2 race A? Does this become 1/4 felony? Or does the victim get to choose? So an act becomes a crime or doesn’t, based on the victim’s decision?
Total bullroar.
Posted by at 5:37 PM on July 3
If the NC Senate wants to make noose displays a felony, fine… as long as BLACK ATTACKS ON WHITES WOULD ALSO BE AUTOMATICALLY CONSTRUED AS HATE CRIMES!
Why are the political hacks in such a state of denial. Black-on-White hate crimes happen nearly every day. Were an equal number of White-on-Black hate crimes perpetrated, it would be front-page news guaranteeing a feeding frenzy for the media.
Posted by Fed Up at 5:43 PM on July 3
If it passes, this law won’t have any real impacts. If a white person burns a cross or hangs a noose to intimidate a non-white, the Feds will already be there with hate crime indictments.
Posted by Question Diversity at 5:50 PM on July 3
Another example of “progress” i.e. making speech illegal because someone feels insulted.
Posted by at 6:05 PM on July 3
“We’re not trying to punish speech here, we’re trying to punish an act, and that’s the act of intimidation,” Berger said.”
The problem with such laws is that it is impossible to know when someone is actually intimidated, or when someone means to intimidate. Just like stating, I want to kill that guy, does not mean that I will actually do it. Moreover, if I burn a cross I may not intend to intimidate but if someone else claims to have been intimidated is it my fault that they had an emotional response to my action? Emotional responses should never be a basis for law.
These sorts of laws are clearly the actions of would be tyrants. We can all rest assured that if the actions of blacks causes me to feel intimidated the laws of this nature will not work in my favor.
Posted by Steven at 6:17 PM on July 3
…soon it will be a capital crime and Whites will be lynched for displaying anything that looks like a noose!
Posted by Sissy White at 6:26 PM on July 3
“It`s a fire Mister! And ALL fires are dangerous…”_Steve Mc Queen in the The Towering Inferno
I can ALMOST see the reason for making a cross burning a felony. Using an accelerant to start a fire, probably late at night, on someones lawn is not good safety sense. But as for a noose? Go ahead and punish the act for intimidation. But instead, start with the guy that curses and cuts me off at seventy on the freeway? That`s not only intimidating, it`s down right dangerous.
Posted by Tim Mc Hugh at 6:37 PM on July 3
Cute wording in the opening paragraph which seems to exempt those actions that prove to be hoaxes. But hoax hate crimes are themselves Hate Crimes as they are aimed at vilifying Whites as a race.
Posted by George at 6:38 PM on July 3
providing those acts were carried out to intimidate a person of a different race or background.
Oh, and there is the loophole. Most of these acts turn out to be hoaxes. But the person perpetrating the hoax always uses the defense, “I was only trying to raise the issue of racism.”
Why don’t they just punish the act without regard to whether it was a hoax or not.
Posted by at 6:54 PM on July 3
Just more stupidity as a result of black whining. Must be alot of that bunch that fears their necks will end up in one. I would urge that all white voters vote these fools from office on the next election. However I do feel intimidated myself when I see some black pos walking down the street with his crack showing while playing with his genitalia. I’m just simply afraid I will laugh myself into a stroke. The need to pass a law against indecent stupidity as well.
Posted by at 6:56 PM on July 3
Crosses and nooses “acts of terrorism”?
Coming from a elected official that saw 3000 residents murdered in a genuine act of terrorism, this is quite an amazing statement. It appears Senator Berger needs to have his meds changed.
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 7:13 PM on July 3
“I believe that the need for this bill ought to be self-evident,” said Sen. Floyd McKissick, D-Durham.
Right on Floyd. So many blacks have hung nooses in hoaxes lately, that we have to do something about it…..But wait! These “hatecrimes” laws dont apply to blacks, do they? What would be the point then? There will be no whites to charge with this “crime”? And blacks wont be charged when they commit this crime. So again, what is the point?
Posted by Mike Harrigan at 7:42 PM on July 3
There haven’t been “enough” real crimes against people. The left is now doing all it can to increase the reported statistics so that they can say “see? we told you all Whites are racist.”
Posted by at 7:50 PM on July 3
Instead of investing their energies toward some kind of token modern liberal facist leglislation; perhaps their efforts would be best directed toward making illegal immigration illegal and then actually doing something about it.
Posted by Unemployed WASP at 8:37 PM on July 3
“providing those acts were carried out to intimidate a person of a different race or background.”
I love the addition of this neat little loophole - though it may seem that it’s a protection against prosecution for “innocent” claims of noose-hanging/cross-burning, I have an unnerving feeling that it’s going to be the “Get out of Jail Free” card for the numerous black hoaxsters lacking qualms at faking a noose-hanging/cross-burning.
Hey, prove me wrong
Posted by Obscuratus at 8:58 PM on July 3
Now nooses and crosses are, inanimate objects by the way, are TERRORISTS? You know what this is all about, don’t you? It is ONLY directed at WHITE people. Whites are next in line to be called ‘terrorists’ just because they are White. They will be forced to miscegenate with other races to get rid of their White skin, donchaknow?
Posted by at 9:14 PM on July 3
Even Queen Elizabeth I, a tyrant by any modern standard, said “I seek no window into men’s souls.” Who are these lawmakers who would declare an expression of dissent by the display of symbols to be the equivalent of assault? If they are so adept at discerning the malign intent of people they’ve never met, they ought be posted on street corners in some of our more diverse cities to arrest the many passing thugs who have yet to commit a crime that day.
Posted by Schoolteacher at 9:19 PM on July 3
I’m waiting for another intelligent decision from them, something like making any reference to I.Q. as a capital offense, punishable by death.
Posted by ice at 9:22 PM on July 3
How could this possibly survive any serious Constitutional scrutiny? Even King George never told Tarheels what they could display on their own property.
Posted by Cassiodorus at 9:28 PM on July 3
Sen. Floyd McKissick, D-Durham is, understandably, one of the brethren, so of course he would support this attack on the Constitution.
The other two appear to be white, at least externally, but arrogantly unashamed of either sponsoring or supporting this bad piece of legislation.
Posted by Superman at 11:32 PM on July 3
What about gang graffiti?
That is clearly meant to intimidate the different ethnic groups that prowl and rumble in the streets.
Yeah, I didn’t thinks so.
The intent of this law is soley to prosecute whites. (Who clearly Berger wants to intimidate.)
Berger has put forth or supported other diversive and fascist legislation in the past.
Posted by at 12:07 AM on July 4
“…to intimidate a person of a different race or background.”
Every Human being is of a different background; it’s part of being an individual. Will they prosecute blacks who hang nooses to draw attention to themselves or foment cries of racism? No, they will not. Such a law will only be enforced against white people. THAT, my friends, is intimidation.
Didn’t they try to ban flag burning a while back? Wasn’t the primary objection to that would-be amendment that it would violate freedom of speech? So how is cross burning or noose hanging any less “speech” than flag burning?
Posted by jewamongyou at 12:56 AM on July 4
WHAT first ammendment? When I was young this kind of insanity was “only” happening in fascist countries. Oh yeah I almost forgot it still is. Was Hitler really defeated? It is extremely sad that a handful of pompous elected officials, are able to twist the constitution and override the will of the people.
Posted by THE OLD SAGE at 1:42 AM on July 4
“We’re not trying to punish speech here, we’re trying to punish an act, and that’s the act of intimidation,” Berger said.”
This law if passed, is going to open the gates for sure to the kind of insults and outrage the Muslims feel about EVERYTHING!!! Dogs! Christians! Churches! Americans! anything NOT Muslim. And reading about some of the spectacular black on white hate crimes in N.C. in the last few years I would think those crimes could BE hate crimes. I don’t believe the Eve Carson murder is classed as a hate crime is it? Those sure do fall of the media scope fast IF they make a blip on it to start with.
Posted by Skip at 6:52 AM on July 4
We need to get to the heart of the matter here. Sales of rope and lumber have to be controlled, since these substances are essential to fashioning nooses and flammable crosses. They should be sold only to those persons who can demonstrate a legimate need for these materials, and one-time purchase permits should be issued by the county sheriff’s department only upon demonstration of such need.
Vinyl clothesline, shoelaces, and mono-filament fishing line would be exempt from state control.
Posted by john at 6:58 AM on July 4
The purpose of this type of law is to put Whites in jail and to let everyone else go free for the same crimes.
Posted by at 7:59 AM on July 4
“providing those acts were carried out to intimidate a person of a different race or background.”
Intimidation? Nothing intimidates them. A symbolic noose on every tree wouldn’t intimidate them. They know that they are in control and can say and do anything without fear of consequences. The only intimidated people in this society are White people who are educated to feel guilty for being what they are and to be dangerously trusting of those who seek to violate and kill them with Eve Carson and Lauren Burk (RIP) being only two of tens of thousands whose lives have been taken by the mutants.
Posted by at 8:36 AM on July 4
Lets be serious here, blacks no longer fear whites on any level. Burning a cross or hanging noose makes a victim of nobody except the redneck that did it.
Posted by at 9:00 AM on July 4
A plan sponsored by Sen. Doug Berger, D-Franklin, would make the displays felonies. Such offenses are misdemeanors under current law. He said burning crosses and noose hangings are acts of terrorism.
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Why not just impose the death penalty and be done with it? How about bringing back the guillotine, or maybe drawing and quartering? No mercy for those slimy racists. That’ll learn ‘em!
Posted by voter at 9:05 AM on July 4
In the near future:
The next bill on the agenda is the criminalisation of cotton balls! The sale of these at supermarkets is a blatant intimidating racist display that reminds blacks of their prior slave status and white superiority!
Posted by ODDL at 9:49 AM on July 4
The government of, by, and for, WHO? I feel reparations are in order for blacks to be paid in full and in kind, to each according to their deeds, and the deeds of their ancestors, pertaining to the following: Rape, murder, theft, rioting, enslavement of whites, billions in entitlements, and the deaths of 800,000 civil war soldiers. Who has suffered more because of slavery, blacks or whites?
Posted by WHITE SLAVE at 11:43 AM on July 4
I would expect such nonsense from a place like California (my home state), but North Carolina?? This kind of thing is disturbing to anyone who is paying attention. In light of this, thank God for the Supreme Court’s recent (albeit, narrow 5 to 4) decision regarding the 2nd Amendment.
Posted by at 12:55 PM on July 4
I’m a felon, so perhaps I have a unique perspective on this here. Is making a felon out of someone and permanently stripping them of a whole bunch of their rights over a completely subjective matter like a “noose” (or a lasso, or a lampshade pull-string) morally wrong, or is it just me that thinks so?
It’s July Fourth. The last time I shot any sort of firearm was exactly eight years ago. The last handloads I made were 8mm X 57 Mauser. CCI-200 primers. 47 grains Hodgdon H-4895 powder, and a 185-grain Remington .323” PSPCL. Velocity was never chronographed, but would have been at about 2600. This would have been too much for an 1888 Mauser, but the load shot like it had eyes in my 1898, Kar-98k, G-43s, FN-49, and ‘Hakim’. MOA groups. I used to shoot a lot of 8mm X 57 Mauser.
I had major success with 6.5mm Japanese as well. I made the cases from .220” Swift cases I had resized and shortened, and the load was the usual CCI-200, 33.5 grains of H-4895 and a 140-grain Remington 6.5mm PSP-CL. This duplicated original wartime Japanese military ammo quite well, as the ammo shot to where the iron sights were set out to 600 yards, which is as much room as I had to shoot the load. MV would have been about 2500. These cases were dimensionally correct, but would bulge ahead of the web on firing. Most old Japanese rifles had a “trench” or oversized chamber, to allow the bolt to close on ammunition in extremely dirty conditions.
I used to be able to make cartridge cases for almost any obsolete caliber, and then quickly work up a good load. I will probably never be able to do that again, over something I once said. If Berger wants to do that to people over what someone thinks of a knot in a piece of string or clothesline, then he needs to try out being a felon first.
Does anyone imagine for one minute that the “noose”-hoaxers will face any charges at all, even under this proposed change in the law?
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 1:46 PM on July 4
Blacks and Liberals love it when a White Nationalist is dumb enough to burn a cross or hang a noose. If anyone thinks they are helping the cause in this way they are not, all they are doing is providing the enemy with more ammunition.
For the White Nationalist cause to suceed it must at least have the outward appearance of respectability and legallity.
There is only one group of people that the blacks and librals fear and that is a group smart enough to work within the law.
Posted by Daniel at 2:41 PM on July 4
“A plan sponsored by Sen. Doug Berger, D-Franklin, would make the displays felonies.”
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How strange- the last time I was in Franklin, I saw NO BLACKS. Plenty of hispanics, but no blacks in this hidden gem of a town in the mountains of NC. This just begs the question: why would Berger feel the need to sponsor such a bill? Political grandstanding or back door deals perhaps?
Posted by Aunt Bea at 6:33 PM on July 4
“…to intimidate a person of a different race or background.”
Then they better ban herds of 20 yr old blacks with baggy britches hanging out on the corners, cause as a white woman I feel VERY intimidated if I have to walk past them, even in broad daylight… oh yeah, that’s right, I’m white, so I don’t have any rights.
Posted by at 6:37 PM on July 4
This is truly Orwellian nonsense. Racial integration and multiculturalism are leading us down the slippery slope of totalitarianism. A felony for simply displaying a noose or burning a cross would constitute, in my opinion, cruel and unusual punishment. Whatever happened to the punishment fitting the crime?
The cultural Marxists is the NC state senate would no doubt argue that offending a racial minority (non-white) is a grave offense. I wonder when it will become a felony to be a white nationalist?
Posted by Super Dave at 8:22 PM on July 4
Another solution to a non-problem.
Ban the noose. Then what? Will it make any difference? Will it lower the rate of black on black killings? Will is raise black achievement levels?
These proposals are just silly diversions from unsolvable black pathologies.
They’ll ban the noose, congratulate themselves for having achieve ‘justice’, go back to their communities, and nothing will have changed.
Pathetic.
Posted by sbuffalonative at 9:53 PM on July 4
In the Cleveland area a kid put bananas in a cigar box to intimdate a whole family of blacks when they moved into his all white neighborhood.The parents of the kid got sued because he was a minor.The black family was on the TV every day telling how devastating it was.They told of how scared the family was when the door bell rang and no one was there.To this day they can’t go by the fruit section of the grocery store with out terror striking them in their hearts.Well the big pay day they got from the white family just might ease their pain.Now the question,should we band bananas and make possession a felony?
Posted by THE MAN at 6:13 AM on July 5
ODDL, Check out this picture, the funniest things are often not meant to be funny!
http://boners.com/grub/800006.html
Posted by Tidey-Whitey at 8:56 AM on July 5
This law if passed, is going to open the gates for sure to the kind of insults and outrage the Muslims feel about EVERYTHING!!! . And reading about some of the spectacular black on white hate crimes in N.C. in the last few years I would think those crimes could BE hate crimes. I don’t believe the Eve Carson murder is classed as a hate crime is it? Those sure do fall of the media scope fast IF they make a blip on it to start with.
Posted by Skip at 6:52 AM on July 4
Eve Carson and Lauren Burk WERE victims of hate crimes. They were White and they were beautiful and for that they had to be defiled and murdered, just as everything beautiful must be defiled, whether it be a person. place or thing. All with which/whom they come into contact is either destroyed or rendered less than it was before.
Posted by at 11:24 AM on July 5
ALWAYS IT’S SOMETHING, to divert our attention away from what they REALLY DON’T WANT US TO NOTICE, and that is their lazy, lying, cheating, perversive Political Ways. What about the one who claims someone he works with took off his necktie (but didn’t remove the knot before laying it on his own desk) isn’t this really just a Secret Noose? I read the list of over 400 “code Words” as they call them that are Racial Slurs. Is a necktie just a “coded device” meant to mean a noose? As foolish as this sounds and is, are we that far away from being told “Any necktie laying where a black might see it, Must have the knot removed” No One Is Taking Our Country From Us, the ones we have elected to serve us are giving it away, without protest, on a silver platter.
Posted by Ted at 1:38 PM on July 5
See, they are seeking a racial balance in prison.
Posted by at 4:20 PM on July 5
let’s see….. approximately seven years - that’s how long it takes for some people to forget what real terrorism is - when things explode and people die.
Posted by Whiteplight at 2:59 AM on July 6
………”isn’t this really just a Secret Noose? I read the list of over 400 “code Words” as they call them that are Racial Slurs. Is a necktie just a “coded device” meant to mean a noose? As foolish as this sounds and is, are we that far away from being told “Any necktie laying where a black might see it, Must have the knot removed” No One Is Taking Our Country From Us, the ones we have elected to serve us are giving it away, without protest, on a silver platter.”
Posted by Ted at 1:38 PM on July 5
Ted, you’re on to something! Might black males find ties a secret white trick and refuse to wear them if the idea caught on? I hope some college fraternities will get clever and throw some “necktie parties,” where they do their usual beer drinking wearing only a necktie. I would love to see how they end up getting prosecuted.
Posted by Whiteplight at 3:04 AM on July 6
That was an amazingly valid point above regarding “letting the punishment fit the crime”. Any person in a position of public trust who thinks that the display of any symbol is a crime equal in magnitude to a class that includes rape, murder, serious assault or arson is bluntly delusional and is evidently unfit to bear public office.
Posted by ODDL at 8:22 AM on July 6
A Muslim wearing a hijab, or building a mosque in a Western city is an act of aggression. A Hispanic flying Mexico’s colours, or a black wearing his loud attire and drawing attention to himself in public, are also a primal acts of aggression.
The motivations of someone who burns a cross, or hangs a noose, are only known to that individual, but it may be safe to assume it is, in their mind, an act of legitimate resistance.
Posted by at 10:13 PM on July 6
Such laws are clearly unconstitutional. Imagine that, a record store that sells Ice Cube albums about killing white people is perfectly acceptable. One noose somewhere is a crime.
Posted by Not Going to Take it Anymore at 3:54 PM on July 7
And this, my friends, is exactly what you get when you allow people with a second-grade mentality that is coupled with hatred for all things white, to be allowed into governmental positions. Is there any wonder that we have become the largest third-world country in the world. Now I remember why I was so sullen on the 4th of July. The country is too far gone now to save it. I only care about the white race now.
Posted by roller at 3:59 PM on July 7
If a white person were in a mall handing out job applications for a store within the mall and he offered one to a black, could he be charged with a Race or Hate Crime because there was some HIDDEN MEANING in offering a (black) a job application?
Sounds crazy I know but think about it, is it really that improbable in todays America?
Posted by Rexx at 5:38 PM on July 8
You either believe in freedom of speech or you do not , THERE ARE NO GRAY AREAS . Obviously the NC Senate does not .
Posted by at 5:52 PM on July 8