Proposed License Plate States ‘Hispanics Discovered Florida’
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Honk if you love Hispanics.
A license plate that touts “Hispanics Discovered Florida” may soon join the 109 specialty tags drivers can choose from.
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Danny Ramos, the group’s president [National Hispanic Corporate Achievers, a Longwood group that sponsors minority job fairs], said the tag’s message is about cultural pride for Florida’s 3.6 million Hispanics—even if not all of Latin American or Spanish descent identify with the term.
“Every community wants to be recognized for its contributions to society,” Ramos said. “I think this is just part of our assimilation process and our acceptance in Florida.”
A preliminary concept for the plate seeks to unify Hispanics by going back to their historical roots—when Spaniards colonized the peninsula before the arrival of English-speaking settlers.
One concept features the image of a Spanish galleon and the date 1513—the year Spanish conquistador Juan Ponce de Le?n first landed in what is now Florida.
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(Posted on June 27, 2008)
Comments
Spaniards DID discover Florida. “Hispanics” did not! As long as you’re going to consider Black Dominicans, black Puerto Ricans and black Cubans as “Hispanic”, this makes no sense.
Yes, isn’t it funny how these people seem to be so opportunistic about their Spanish heritage when it’s convenient?
Posted by at 6:01 PM on June 27
Does that mean White Spaniards can access affirmative action programs, quotas, and other (unfair) benefits designated for “Hispanics?” No? I didn’t think so…
Posted by Kevin at 6:18 PM on June 27
Completely ridiculous, if the Spaniards did not, forgive my bluntness, kick their butts they wouldn’t even consider themselves “Hispanic”.
How weak and pathetic, these people could have been conquered by virtually any European country, from the Poles to the Germans, and if they were today they’d be calling them self Teutonic or Slavic but since they were conquered by Spaniards they call themselves Hispanic. How ridiculous.
It is just as valid, using that logic to create a license plate that said “Europeans discovered Florida”. Lets all forget that when Florida was “discovered” it already had people living there.
Posted by Patrick at 7:25 PM on June 27
“Every community wants to be recognized for its contributions to society,” Ramos said. “I think this is just part of our assimilation process and our acceptance in Florida.”……..The problem is that Hispanics do not want to assimilate.I would love to find any Hispanic now liveing in florida who can say that their ancestors have lived in florida since the first spanish explorers came to florida.Most all of the infrastructure built in florida was built by white anglos.Why not a plate saying “Thanks to white Florida has become a decent place to live for Hispanics.”
Posted by Tony Soprano. at 7:32 PM on June 27
Ok so now I want a plate that lists all white anglo saxon achievements.
Posted by at 7:43 PM on June 27
I’m sure the Spanish appreciate being labeled as the likes of Mexicans.
Actually I’ve heard it really makes them mad.
Posted by Mike at 9:08 PM on June 27
Hmmm….it sounds like the (brown) Hispanics like to have it both ways. Many of them like to claim pure or nearly pure idigeneous (American), and fantasize kicking out all of the non-(Brown) Hispanics. But now they like to associate with the White conquistadors, to “show off.” Although the Puerto Ricans and Cubans are generally much less anti-White than the Mexicans (and most of the other non-Carribeanian Brown Hispanics outside of Chile and Argentina), I am sure it has little to do with celebrating White Heritage (for most of them).
I am a Floridian resident, and even have a White Spanish ancestor (from Spain) from the colonial period. It annoys me when people call the Brown Hispanics “Spanish.”
Posted by EA (European American) Steve at 10:50 PM on June 27
“Does that mean White Spaniards can access affirmative action programs, quotas, and other (unfair) benefits designated for “Hispanics?””
They can and (some) do.
Posted by at 11:30 PM on June 27
Juan Ponce de León, a Spanish conquistador, discovered Florida on April 2, 1513. There were indigenous tribes there before that of course but they certainly weren’t Mexicans… lol.
A mexican is a citizen of Mexico which is a state. A state is a political association with effective sovereignty over a geographic area. Hence a Mexican can be one of the white, black, oppressed amero-indians, or whites that have citizenship in Mexico.
Since Mexico didn’t actually become Mexico until they declared their independence from Spain in September 16, 1810, it is technically impossible for a Mexican to have discovered Florida before Juan Ponce de León did on April 2, 1513.
The name itself wasn’t even decided on until independence from Spain was secured. Afterwards, it was decided that the new country would be named after its capital city, whose original name of foundation was México-Tenochtitlan after the Aztec Mexicas that inhabited the city in pre-Columbus times.
It’s really not rocket science to deduce from this that neither Mexicans nor Aztecs discovered Florida but the modern liberals won’t even allow what I have shared here into the classroom though it is the historical factual truth for fear it would take away from their politically correct enculturalism design for this country.
Florida was most likely first discovered by roving bands of Siberian Paleo-Indians on their way South (e.g. toward what we call Mexico today) or possibly pre Paleo Indian Clovis most likely on their way South (which opens up the controversial Solutrean hypothesis meaning the Europeans may have actually discovered Florida before the Siberians came to the Americas). In any event, it surely wasn’t Mexicans.
Posted by Unemployed WASP at 11:31 PM on June 27
Yes, they are comparing white Spaniards with the likes of Mestizo’s. Only thing they forgot is Spain is in Europe. And most of the so-called Hispanics crossing the border are of mostly Indian Mogoloid background not White European.
Posted by at 12:23 AM on June 28
Mestizos are not really Hispanics, but they love the title because they think it lends them class. They further parlay this into a permanent alternative to Latino (another lie) and Chicano (perhaps more fitting). I read one group of Mestizo Mexicans actually seeming to project this into a kind of inplied genetic relationship with any European nation that uses a Romance - that is, a Latin based language. When are we going to assert to these dimwits that Latins were white people and Latin is a major Caucasian root language?
Spain was settled by Celti-Iberians before Romans allowed established some settlements. Then the German Vandals (Andulusia) and Visigoths moved in. These were the people who gave Spain El Cid. Spanish is a combination of Latin, Gaelic and an early Germanic tongue. And it has nothing to do with these little brown people assulting our border and culture. Nothing except that they were named and converted by their Spanish Conquerors to the point that they don’t know who they really are….. so they make things up.
What I notice is that indigenous people in North America have a habit of making up history and even connections like this and repeat it enough until they believe it. If they repeat it enough to a dumbed down American youth, it gains acceptance and another important definition defining white culture and heritage has been destroyed, if not actually stolen.
Posted by Whiteplight at 12:32 AM on June 28
Once again the root cause of the Republic’s decline is voided into the public domaine. THE critical question is what is an American. Apparently not a naitonality. Because this seems to be so, the general public cannot condemn subversive, divisive, racial expressions such as this. Therefore we continue to be saddled with those who will never have a tenacious desire to maintain the Republic and its immutable moral and governing principles.
For those who ridicule this plate, it is no more inappropriate than those who declare, while claiming to be citizens, that they are Jewish-Americans, Irish-Americans, German-Americans, Polish-Americans, Italian-Americans, African-Americans, Asian-Americans,
ad nauseum.
Posted by Walt at 12:35 AM on June 28
The term “Hispanic” was a creation of the Office of Education during the Carter Administration. The description of its origin is narrated in the article “The Orgin of the Term “Hispanic”, by Grace Flores-Hughes. The article was printed in the Harvard Journal of Hispanic Policy, Volume 18, 2005-2006. The authoress has been appointed by the Texas carpet bagger to a five year term on the Federal Service Impasses Panel. The term expires in 2009.
As commentators have noted, real Spaniards may be offended by the reduction of Ponce de Leon to a mixed blood, stateless
commoner. The Catholic Encyclopedia describes him as “decended from and ancient and noble family”, which is to say of white,Iberio-Celtic, Visigothic stock.
Posted by Walt at 1:40 AM on June 28
Wait for the Alice In Wonderland logic of Afrocentrists to pop up with “Spanish were Moors, Moors were black, America was discovered by blacks, etc., etc”
Posted by Cliff Yablonski at 1:50 AM on June 28
A ridiculous claim of course, but one which they understandably wish to make…seeing as the civilizational accomplishments of the Spanish people are great and manifest and the accomplishments of the “hispanics” are pretty much non-existent.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to revive the Spanish empire…the hispanics haven’t exactly been flourishing since it came to an end.
Posted by Artorius at 1:53 AM on June 28
And here I was thinking that the ancestors of the Ais, Apalachee, Calusa, Timucua and Tocobago tribes found Florida… ya learn something every day!
Posted by A. White at 7:03 AM on June 28
The American Indians discovered and occupied Florida about 40 thousand years before Spaniards did. The Spaniards came to the New World seeking gold, not land nor slaves. When they discovered that the American Indians lived in the Stone Age and didn’t work metals, they moved south to Mexico and beyond where the locals did work gold. Then as now Hispanics accomplish nothing on their own and live parasitically off of foreign men and women better than themselves…
Posted by at 9:45 AM on June 28
I hope some Indian, er, excuse me, NATIVE AMERICAN groups protest saying the same things they do about Columbus (“Columbus didn’t discover America. Native Americans were already here!”).
Works for Hispanics too… they couldn’t have possibly “discovered” Florida since people were already living there when Hispanics arrived. Geez, whatever.
Posted by at 9:59 AM on June 28
If you visit some of the areas associated with Conquistadors in Spain, you will find strawberry blondes, freckles, light eyes and skin etc. Obviously the Vikings! They knew how to sail those ships hundreds of yeasr before the armadas. Take a look at the route from Sweden/Norway, Holland, N. France, England. All sea routes pass Spain on the south. You’ll see the same thing in So. Spain, as the Greeks, etc, sailed out the Mediterranean, many blondes/blue eyed, and mixed with N.Africans. Who were the Conquistadors? My guess is their names were Lars, Olaf, Sven etc.
Posted by Teva at 11:10 AM on June 28
“Hispanics discovered Florida”.
I suspect a fair number of Seminoles would take issue with that.
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 12:47 PM on June 28
Hey, in California and the Southwest states the reconquistas are busy promoting textbooks that say they built the Southwest, etc. It’s just the kind of nation we now live in. Everyone wants to tear away at the legacy of the “real” founders and builders of the U.S.—enough said.
Posted by Bobby at 1:01 PM on June 28
I thought DEMOCRACY meant Majority NOT Minority rule, in the USA it desn’t mean that. Were not ever a Republic anymore because the one we select and elect just spit in our face with almost every action they take. As of now whites still are the majority in the USA but that will soon change, then the bleeding hearts will find our what their weak minded deeds have done to their grandchildren..
Posted by Mookie at 1:12 PM on June 28
I bet the Spanish goverment heaved a big sigh of relief 1810 to 1830 when all their American colonies revolted and became independent.
Spain got rid of a corrupt, criminal disfunctional burden when it lost Latin America. No wonder Spain did little or nothing to keep those colonies.
Posted by at 3:52 PM on June 28
to Cliff Yablonski:
They could try but it won’t work. The Moors were not Spanish but Islamic invaders. Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand united Spain and drove them out. In fact all the Moors (and the Jews) were expelled from Spain in the summer of 1492, before Columbus sailed. Queen Isabella financed Columbus’ mission but he was Italian. Besides, blacks didn’t sail anywhere-aren’t they afraid of the water?
Btw, the daughter of the Spanish queen and king was Catherine of Aragon, the first wife of Henry the Eighth, the English Tudor king. She had more Plantagenet blood (English royalty) than he.
Posted by middled-aged magnolia at 9:57 PM on June 28
Since Columbus was an Italian from Genoa and now they say he is hispanic, that’s a stretch.
Posted by Lars at 10:13 PM on June 28
Gentlemen I truly sympathize with your irritation of the equivocal use of the term “Hispanic” which allows our little brown friends to claim to be the discovers of Florida and victims of Spanish imperial oppression at the same time. In the first instance, Hispanic is used in the sense of anyone who is from a Spanish speaking culture. In the second instance its anyone who is non-white from a Spanish speaking culture, especially Mestizos, who are part of cultural Marxism’s pantheon of the persecuted.
However that being said, I am disturbed by the glee of many of you at proclaiming the red Indian’s, (not to be confused with the Hindoos!), as the “discovers” of Florida and America.
Our Indian friends discovered nothing but what was over the next hill while simultaneously forgetting what was over the last one. They simply nomadicly wandered across the Americas over thousands of years. They had no clue where they were located in relation to the rest of the world. They never left their tribes’ home areas to venture thousands of miles in a matter of months, charting, mapping and chronicling what they find then return to their people’s territory to make their civilization aware of these far off lands with the ability to return to these places on a regular basis.
The Europeans actions of exploration “discovered” these areas so now the whole world, all of the nations of the world, know where these places are. Europeans are the first ones to record all the separate pieces and put them together to make one whole. Europeans in this sense truly discovered
the world.
Also if you read history texts from the 1960’s forward you will notice many will criticize the Eurocentric view of history. What to these books is a blight is to me a virtue.
What these explores did, (Columbus, Leon, Balboa, Soto, Cabot, Hudson, Cartier, Magellan, Gama etc.) was discover these places for THE civilization. The only one that matters, OUR civilization which is European civilization.
Eurocentrism in history says that we and our family of nations are separate from the rest of the world in some sense. There is an “us.” Saying “the Indians discovered America” is saying “we” as Europeans and Americans never did exist or have ceased to exist.
Posted by Anglo Protestant American at 8:00 AM on June 29
I am sure the Seminole indians who had lived in the Everglades for the last few thousand years would be interested to know that.
Posted by at 8:22 AM on June 29
How about a plate that states, “Whites (Caucasians, Aryans) Civilized Florida.” That would state something worth stating. But, of course, we ;all know it would never be allowed.
Peace,
Allan
Posted by at 11:19 AM on June 29
It doesn’t matter who discovered Florida. It matters who built it up into a liveable and prosperous place, and that is whites.
Posted by sofita at 11:23 AM on June 29
As a blonde haired and green eyed man with Spanish blood (yes Spain) I always find it hysterical when I am written off as a gringo by Dominicans and Puerto Ricans who have nothing but language relating them to Spain.
Posted by the way at 2:44 PM on June 29
By the way. How much do you want to bet a lot of these “Hispanics” consider themselves white?
Posted by the way at 2:47 PM on June 29
Didn’t people go nuts during the 500 year anniversary of Columbus? Wasn’t that event described as one of the greatest holocaust and genocides in world history?
How can these people now claim that hispanics are responsible for discovering Florida?
As many have noted, it was white Spaniards who discovered Florida. If the discover of Florida is to be celebrated, it should be made clear that white Spaniards are responsible for this great achievement.
Posted by sbuffalonative at 12:25 AM on June 30
I know at least one full-blooded German who applied for, and got, admission to a well-known research University since her family is from Argentina. Affirmative action is a joke.
Posted by at 2:47 AM on June 30
Wait a minute, I thought it was the Indians that discovered North America, of which Florida is part of it.
Maybe ever state should have a plate saying who discovered it. Just off the top of my head, the English discovered Virgina, the Dutch discovered New York, the Russians discovered Alaska, the French discovered most of the states in the Midwest, the Viking discovered Minnesota, and the English, Sir Francis Drake, discovered California and Hawaii.
But that would never fly because they are White
Posted by Southern Hoosier at 6:23 AM on June 30
“Ok so now I want a plate that lists all white anglo saxon achievements.”
Posted by at 7:43 PM on June 27
Such a plate would never be permitted because its size would obstruct your vision on all sides of your vehicle and probably protrude from the vehicle to the degree that it would take up more than one traffic lane.
I would like to add that not all White achievements were of Anglo-Saxon origin. Leonardo da Vinci, Enrico Fermi, Francico de Goya, Jonas Salk, Louis Pasteur etc. were not Anglo-Saxon.
Posted by Taurus689 at 7:23 AM on June 30
“I am sure the Seminole indians who had lived in the Everglades for the last few thousand years would be interested to know that.”
Posted by at 8:22 AM on June 29
I thought that as well but I was wrong. Check the link below. However, that being said, there were indigenous peoples there before the arrival of the Spanish.
http://www.keyshistory.org/seminolespage1.html
Posted by at 9:08 AM on June 30
Saying “Columbus discovered America” is a poor way of giving him the real credit for changing history so dramatically. That’s why neither Vikings nor Amerinds are given the credit.
Posted by sedonaman at 5:06 PM on June 30
Perhaps Florida needs a more realistic license plate depicting Hispanic’s contribution to the state in the way of Mexicans beheading little girls:
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-121406.html
Posted by at 5:32 PM on June 30
Little do people know that many conquistadors had ruddy complexions with blond and red hair courtesy of their Visigothic ancestors although the Celt-Iberians were known to have some fair characteristics as well. They did not resemble stumpy brown mexicans that infest most of our major cities as “undocumented workers”.
Posted by Super Dave at 10:07 PM on June 30
Here are other proposed specialty tags:
1. Civil Rights is For Everyone Not Just Africans, Hispanics, and white Bolsheviks. Comment. No, while this is correct it is too long.
2. Sovereignty or Death. Comment: I like it.
3. Diversity Kills “E Pluribus Unum”. Comment: Love it.
Posted by Elrey Jones at 7:18 PM on July 1
Okay, so I do not get to own a tag with the Confederate flag as it is “offensive” to blacks. I AM offended by this proposal. I think we should go back to STATE TAGS like we had years ago.
Posted by Judi at 10:23 PM on July 1
I want a “Whites Are Smarter” tag. Think I will get it?
Posted by Frank at 3:21 PM on July 5