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Got to go with the kid on this one. He should have given the flag back after class. Disrespecting the Mexican flag was a big no-no. Even on our turf. People died for that one too. Even enemies respect each others rank and nationality. At least we should. Nobodys flag belongs in the trash. On the other hand I`ve worked with kids. Lots of times their story is altered to cover themselves, or set an agenda. They are too young to realize the ramifications that lying can have about the adults involved…
Posted by Tim Mc Hugh at 6:16 PM on May 8
Minico High is the alma mater of one Lou Dobbs. I wager he is not happy to see his high school turned into a colony of Mexico.
Posted by Raskolnikov at 7:03 PM on May 8
Civil right careers are made out of stuff like this but since he’s only a “white teacher”, Straatman should prepare for the worst.
Posted by at 7:15 PM on May 8
Great. Reconquista in Idaho. I left California for this very reason, but no matter where the white people flee, the mestizos are sure to follow.
But on WHAT grounds do they delude themselves that they’ve got any kind of a claim to IDAHO?
Posted by at 7:35 PM on May 8
Good! This is America and we dont need to wave other country’s flags around.
Posted by Spartan24 at 7:35 PM on May 8
Camelo and others brought Mexican flags to the south-central Idaho school to celebrate Cinco de Mayo, the May 5 recognition of Mexico’s victory over the French army on that day in 1862. About a third of the student body is Hispanic.(FROM ARTICLE ABOVE)
It’s hard to believe that a third of any school in Idaho is non-white. I figured the cold weather would keep the Hispanics out.
Posted by Howard in Las Vegas at 7:38 PM on May 8
It appears like ‘de time, she is running out’ for us White folks. If this stuff is happening in Idaho; if the percentage of a school in Idaho is 4% White, what do we have to look forward to?? Are we going to go quietly or with a fight? I wonder.
Ciao
Posted by Roman at 9:15 PM on May 8
Foreign flags should never be flown in this Country. That’s
what our boys died for. Only at embassies do they this right. As
Dr Bronner would say, exceptions NONE!
Posted by Freyr at 9:30 PM on May 8
“We believe in nondiscriminatory practices and cultural sensitivity,”
Good! Now hold your Mexican students to the same standards and let them be sensitive to the American students whose forefathers died for the right of American citizens to enjoy life, libery and the pursuit of happiness.
It is illegal in Mexico for foreign visitors to participate in any form of political speech and I believe it is also illegal for them to wave foreign flags. Oh.. and Mexico does not tolerate illegal immigrants, even if they are just passing through.
So how about holding these Mexican students to Mexican standards too!
Hold them to some kind of standard other than VICTIMS.
Posted by Lucas M at 9:31 PM on May 8
To Tim Mc Hugh
You are completely wrong.
Not only that, you need to chose whose side you are on. Or it will be chosen for you and then neither side will respect you.
If you want to respect THEIR flag then you don’t go to THEIR country and wave YOUR flag around. Got it?
Great. Then the same holds true here.
Posted by OZZY at 9:39 PM on May 8
I’m hoping this teacher isn’t being totally honest, and it had something to do with patriotism. Once, and I emphasize if, Hussein is elected, and he passes the directive he’s promised on hate crimes, this would likely be a crime punishable by death, or at least life imprisonment. I wonder who he’d appoint to head the department of the thought police? Maybe a payback to the rev. J. awwWRIGHT. P. S. {good post Ozzy}
Posted by The Old Sage at 10:21 PM on May 8
I remember a few years ago the cover on Time Magazine: an American flag in trashcan. And when many patriotic Americans protested such offensive picture, the “Liberal” press defended it as an artistic expression and an exercise of free speech. They claimed they couldn’t see anything offensive in it.
They (the “Liberal” press) changed their testimony, I guess.
Posted by A Reader at 10:31 PM on May 8
Good for Clint Straatman! It’s about time that we stop being politically correct and start being politically direct!
This teacher is just one of millions of Americans who are absolutely FED UP with this illegal alien invasion!
I am sick and tired of Mexican flags waving over American soil. I am sick and tired of brazen illegal alien invaders demanding rights that they have no right to demand!
It’s time that we DEMAND that our government start defending OUR rights! We must STOP this illegal immigration NOW!
Posted by Jackers at 11:44 PM on May 8
“About a third of the student body is Hispanic.”
In Idaho.
You’re kidding. You’re kidding me, right??!!
Posted by at 11:58 PM on May 8
“Idaho Student Said Teacher Tossed His Mexican Flag in Trash”
Camelo sounds like a troublemaker that might have been baiting AMERICAN students in gym by waving the Mexican Flag in their faces. In any case the teacher was wrong to take it away rather than burning it. Nothing like a lesson that lasts.
Posted by Bobby at 1:20 AM on May 9
How times have changed. In the old days, the teacher would have let the students beat him up. This would have been called a “Learning experience.” Instead of appreciating the beating that he missed, the junior reconquista will probably sue the school.
Posted by krolflyingtiger at 1:52 AM on May 9
He put the flag where it belongs. In the garbage. Minidoka County schools are more likely 4% non-White than 4% White. This county is in southern Idaho near the Utah border southwest of Pocatello. That whole area is about 95% White.
Posted by Robert Lindsay at 2:08 AM on May 9
Ah, Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie!
The point is that I DON`T go to their country and wave their flag around. Just because a child acts a fool in my presence doesn`t mean it follows that I do too or approve of his actions. I don`t act like an eleven year old boy myself just because one in my own class does. And finally as for choosing which side I`m on… At this point I`m not really on the side of a country that treats ME like a second class citizen. Which leaves me on Tim Mc Hughs side. Acting like an adult. Which is what the real issue is here . And I guess that doesn`t leave me on YOUR side. Fair enough, cowboy! And finally Ozzie, if you want my respect try signing your full legal name.
Posted by Tim Mc Hugh at 5:58 AM on May 9
We have only two flags here: the Stars & Bars and Old Glory. Schools are allowed to insist students remove offensive items from their property.
If I had been the teacher, I’d have asked this jerk whether he thought May 5 was the anniversary of Mexican independance from France, or Mexican independance from Idaho. I’d have still taken the flag away, but given it back at the end of the day, out of respect for someone else’s property, perhaps with a long essay about the diffrence between being a US resident and a US citizen, written in English, due in two days.
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 6:26 AM on May 9
“It’s hard to believe that a third of any school in Idaho is non-white. I figured the cold weather would keep the Hispanics out.”
From my travels there are very few places in America that resemble what most of America looked like up until the 80’s or even early 90’s.
A simple and unscientific observation, but the cold only seems to keeps large number of sub-saharan Africans, and I am sure that there are places in Canada that would prove that assumption wrong.
Posted by Weissheit at 8:43 AM on May 9
If you want to respect THEIR flag then you don’t go to THEIR country and wave YOUR flag around. Got it??
It’s not so simple. I remember reading about Czech immigrants to the USA and South America. They worked hard, they respected their new lands, but they kept some traditions (community life, food, folksinging) of their old European homeland, and, yes, occassionally they also wawed its flag. And they did it even in third generation, which hardly spoke any Czech…
Posted by EW at 10:23 AM on May 9
I don’t believe the kid’s story for a second, and am sure he was being jivey and provocative with the flag.
HOWEVER, the teacher’s comment about the trash being the only place he could keep the flag is horse*&^% too. Please, he couldn’t have stored it in a drawer or taken it to the front office? It’s insulting to one’s intelligence.
Posted by Concerned Citizen at 12:05 PM on May 9
The difference between displaying a Czech flag and a Mexican flag is that Mexico is an enemy of the United States. The war has not been declared because our government is in the hands of anti-White traitors, but we are in fact engaged in low-intensity war with Mexico.
Posted by Schoolteacher at 12:45 PM on May 9
Ozzy
Tim McHugh is an everyday AmRener, and quite an insightful one at that. Never once have I questioned which side he is on. He hit the nail on the head when he said he is on his own side. Neither myself, Mr. McHugh, or even yourself need to question the loyalties of such people.
Mr McHugh has had some of the better ends of a few conversations here, so you might want to take his advice and atleast let him knoiw your full name, otherwise you are simply a troller with no real insights, just a lot of hot air.
Posted by Jeremy Douglas at 12:56 PM on May 9
Hey, how’s this one for MEXICAN PATRIOTISM AND FAMILY VALUES in Idaho? Yes, IDAHO, of all places…
I could hardly believe the story, part of which is excerpted below took place in IDAHO. Our country is going down fast now.
Mexicans RAPING woman and/or children? Not that uncommon in Houston’s news. Child molestation, rape, incest by Mexicans with family members — disgusting, abominable crimes that seem have ALL turned up in our news with sickening regularity over the last few years. (Look up CRIMESTOPPER home page for Houston, TX sometimes.) Houston is “blessed” with a large Mexican population. Read this: the link will be under the excerpt:
10-year-old gives birth in Idaho; Suspected illegal immigrant charged with rape
Bookingphotos A 37-year-old man is charged with raping a 10-year-old girl who gave birth last month in Idaho.
“St. Anthony Police said they were notified of the young girl’s pregnancy by medical personnel after she went in for treatment at a doctor’s office,” KIFI-TV reports on its website.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/05/10-year-old-giv.html?csp=34
And we Americans are called “racists” for not wanting the Mexican trash population INFESTING our country. Mark my words. No, not a racist rant — but a bitter truth verifiable all-too-readily, if you pay attention to the news, check the Internet news (horror) stories, and hear what police officer acquaintances can tell you.
One more thing to cogitate over: For every crime (or sex-crime) by a Mexican that hits the news… HOW MANY do we NOT hear about? Locally the media will never comment on a carjacking, much less a burglary or robbery — unless someone got hurt. Because those crimes are simply too commonplace anymore to raise an eyebrow. (Which explains why I carry, and urge everyone to be armed.)
Posted by Fed Up at 1:42 PM on May 9
I would lke to make one more clarification of my position on this issue. First, I withdraw my assertion that someone must sign his real name to earn my respect. If a person wants to use a pseudo-name that`s their business. In fact, I think some of the nom de guerres carry more insight than a real legal name. That being said…
For me anyway the story can be summarized thus. A coach, in a position of authority over a child, took away said child`s property and then (according to the child) refused to give it back and ridiculed him in the process in front of his peers. If this is a victory for our side forgive me for not celebrating it. The coach should have in my opinion, acted in the following manner. One, he should have informed the child to quit waving the flag and disrupting class. If the child was incapable of exhibiting said self control, the coach should have taken away the flag put it in or behind his desk and given it back after class without further comment. By taking the flag away and then making political comments, the coach engaged the child in discourse as if he was an adult when the boy clearly wasn`t. Also throwing the flag in the trash was clearly meant to either enrage or antagonize the child or… I don`t know what. The coach had no right to engage the boy as a man with verbal sparring no more than he had the right to engage him in fisticuffs. Thus in my opinion the coach was acting as childish as the student. Simply unacceptable. Finally, how many readers who approve of this action would feel good about a policeman tearing off a bumpersticker on their car because it was offensive to the cop. The coach was acting as a bully against someone who couldn`t fight back.
Lastly Ozzie proclaimed that I needed to choose sides in this war or someone would choose sides for me. I am a not only a grown man but somewhat of an overweight one. I make my own decisions… at least until the rifle ammunition in the hall closet runs out. Thanks for listening
Posted by Tim Mc Hugh at 4:23 PM on May 9
Just so we’re all clear, the state of Idaho is still technically part of the United States, right?
OK. Therefore, this frivolous lawsuit should be immediately dismissed, no matter what the cheap-labor crowd (liberal/neocon alliance) thinks.
If the little spoiled brat is so damned offended, he can choose to live in Mexico, and be inundated with Mexican flags as far as his eyes can see.
Posted by Old Victorian at 7:08 PM on May 9
This is a basic case of lack of respect of personal property for someone perceived to be in a subordinate position. You don’t just take someone’s property and trash it because you disagree with it. We are all human beings and we deserve dignity and respect. That’s what I hope some of the people here in Amren will learn. It won’t lessen your cause to begin to respect another kind of person. I am glad that at least Tim Mc Hugh can see this. Believe me he is not any less on your side.
“From my travels there are very few places in America that resemble what most of America looked like up until the 80’s or even early 90’s.”
This country doesn’t look anything like what American Indians called home either. Times are going to change. As I have said on other threads, White people can not really expect America to be the land of the pearly White because the moral title belongs to Indian people. Before you take my comment completely out of context this has nothing to do with preventing you all from preserving your culture and values. If you dislike the total moral decay of this country then you and I have more alike than you think. Perhaps there are groups that share some of your interests that could partner with you to achieve your goals. Believe it or not there are Black, Latino, and Indian people and organizations that are working to address crime, drug use, and the disintegration of the family. I am one such person. While my traditional values are different from yours for sure I am willing to bet there are points we can agree one. For example I hate the sex, drugs, and violence of the TV these days. As a parent I find it an uphill battle trying to regulate my children’s TV and internet use without feeling like a total control freak. In fact I do monitor despite the feeling. I’m willing to bet there are others with the same concerns. Instead of racist ranting how you can’t figure out how to engage other groups with respect and dignity? However, you first have to get to know us.
Posted by Inkpaduta at 9:30 PM on May 9
Forget for a moment that the flag was Mexican. I am sure you can imagine several flags where everyone would agree that the student had no business trying to provoke fellow classmates with his flag.
Listen kids, if they can ban the Confederate flag from Old Miss and dozens of other campuses in the South, I know good and well they can refuse to entertain a Mexican flag in the classroom. If the boy did not fish the flag out of the trash can, then the most he should expect is $2.95 from the teacher for the loss of his property. Of course, I rather doubt such payment is routine for all the other items confiscated in the classrooms (and trashed) so no payment may be due at all.
The Mexican kid should learn an important lesson from this experience. (Isn’t that why he is going to school?)
As for respecting foreign flags on American soil, I must strongly disagree. Such behavior is considered an act of war……invasion. If we cannot see foreign flags on American soil as invasion, then we no longer have a country, and the next SOB to plant a foreign flag on this country can rightly claim it.
Oh yes, tell Wal-Mart to stop selling Mexican flags to their customers…..that would be a good “first step”. We can work on the illegal alien problem after that.
Posted by Memphomaniac at 9:33 PM on May 9
When I went to school I didn’t have many teachers that acted like real adults. There is an old saying, either you teach or you do, those that can’t do, teach. Most teachers that I remember weren’t living in the real world, most acted like the students they were teaching, with a few exceptions. It’s easy to act like Joe the bad ass to a bunch of kids. Most teachers, including gym teachers, wouldn’t make it with that kind of attitude in a job where you have to actually WORK to make a living. Blisters on your hands, soaked in sweat everyday, sore back, keep on working.
Posted by shultz at 10:55 PM on May 9
“the teacher’s comment about the trash being the only place he could keep the flag is horse*&^% too. Please, he couldn’t have stored it in a drawer or taken it to the front office? It’s insulting to one’s intelligence.”
Something bothered me about that. I knew the teacher was wrong somehow but I wasn’t sure how to explain it. TY for breaking that down for me and putting it into words.
Posted by Dr. Smith at 6:17 PM on May 10
We have foreign flags in our home: the flags of Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and Germany (the pre-1918 Hohenzollern version) adorn our basement walls, along with the Stars & Bars, the Japanese navy sunburst and a Harvard University flag an uncle stole off a flagpole there. These are not for display outside, out of sensitivity to our neighbors, but for our own enjoyment and the way they brighten up bare concrete walls.
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 6:32 PM on May 10
…….”But on WHAT grounds do they delude themselves that they’ve got any kind of a claim to IDAHO?”
Posted by at 7:35 PM on May 8
The fact is that Mexico and Mexicans have no legitimate claim on any U.S. state or territory. The entire issue was settled by treaties and payments in the 19th century. This story is just one of many that illustrate the completely false nature of the “Reconquesta” claims. The entire thing is nothing but a justification for invidividuals from Mexico to do what seems expedient to their own interests. It’s called “rationalizing.”
Posted by Whiteplight at 3:22 PM on May 11
“We have foreign flags in our home: the flags of Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and Germany (the pre-1918 Hohenzollern version) adorn our basement walls, along with the Stars & Bars, the Japanese navy sunburst and a Harvard University flag an uncle stole off a flagpole there. These are not for display outside, out of sensitivity to our neighbors, but for our own enjoyment and the way they brighten up bare concrete walls.”
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 6:32 PM on May 10
> I have always liked flags too. They are colorful and relfect history and sometimes personal heritage. We have 10 flags ourselves and three of the ones you list as in your home.
Posted by Whiteplight at 3:25 PM on May 11
Between the ages of two and twenty-one, my parents and I were legal, green card holding, French Canadians residing in the United States. We were proud of our heritage, but we understood that we were guests living in another country. My parents bought a few acres of land where we had a home, and my father worked hard to make sure that our neighbours were happy living beside us. He worked a shift at the mill and would come home and put another four or more hours into the yard. People would go on Sunday drives back then, and I remember seeing folks slow down to marvel at our property while I was playing with friends in the yard. We had a flagpole in the yard, and guess what flag was flying in the yard of the proud, French Canadians? The AMERICAN flag, Old Glory, the RED WHITE and BLUE. We understood the first rule of being a guest; Do honor and respect your hosts. These Mexicans are acting like conquerors not grateful guests. They have no right to fly their flag in your land, or demand that you speak Spanish, unless they are planning to overthrow you.
Posted by Louis from Montreal at 11:25 AM on May 12
To Tim Mc Hugh
My comments about choosing sides was a little over the top, incorrect and counter productive. I apologize about that.
But I guess my point that I was trying to make was, what would happen to an American kid in Mexico waving an American flag? There would certainly be no lawsuit. He would be lucky if the teacher took it from him before alot of people saw him with it. They would certainly beat him to pulp.
The other point is we need to respect our own veterans before we respect others. And when you fly a foreign flag in our land it is disrespectful to our veterans.
So I agree with the teacher. I am glad he threw it in the trash. That should be the norm. Also, all illegals should be rounded up and deported. All magnets that draw them should be dealt with. No more welfare. No more amnesty. No more birthright citizien ship. Companies that hire illegals get seriuosly fined. Their execs do some jail time. Etc. and if the U.S. cannot do this peacefully then what does that tell you? A nation that cannot enforce it’s own immigration laws is not a nation at all. If we are going down a path of civil war (which no one in their right mind wants), then better sooner then later. The longer it festers the bigger tragedy it will be.
Ok, that was kind of a tangent, but it is all related to the flag incident, because the more numbers that they get, the more disrespectful they become. When they are over 50% of the southwest, why should it stay a part of the U.S. why not merge with Mexico? After all America ‘stole’ it from them anyways.
Posted by OZZY at 9:06 PM on May 12
