Sun, Sand, Sex and Stupidity: Why Thousands of Middle-Aged Women Are Obsessed With Holiday Gigolos
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The handsome young waiter’s eyes followed Sarah as she walked across the restaurant, and she felt her heart beating faster as he leaned over to place a napkin in her lap.
“At 54, I was unused to the attention of young men, especially a handsome one in his 20s,” she says. “Our eyes connected as I told myself not to be silly—he couldn’t possibly be interested in me. But I was wrong.”
Sarah Jarvis is 59 and has four grown-up children and four grandchildren.
Attractive, slim and smartly dressed, she has been divorced from her lawyer husband for 15 years, and had resigned herself to a series of uninspiring dates with overweight, balding men of her own age at home in Chester.
But here, on holiday with a girlfriend in the Turkish resort of Dalaman, was the promise of something very different.
For Sarah was about to become one of the many thousands of British women courted by the legions of young foreign men in such tourist hotspots as Turkey, Egypt, Jamaica, the Gambia and Kenya.
This summer, thousands of these middle-aged, single women will pour off the planes, to be met by countless fit, athletic-looking dark-skinned young men who will casually approach them, saying: “What a beautiful lady you are. Can I help you find your hotel?”
The chance of a harmless sexual fling, or something more sinister?
Writer Jeannette Belliveau, a self-confessed former “sex tourist” and author of a book called Romance On The Road, says the problem is becoming endemic and that these women are deluding themselves about the dangers such flings present.
“The ultimate risk is death,” she says, bluntly. “In the past two years three Western women have been killed for their money by their foreign ‘toy boys’.”
Some of these women tourists never went home after their holiday. Barbara Scott-Jones, 61, from Leeds fell in love with Jamaica and was building a home on the island when she was found dead earlier this year.
Labourer Omar Reid has been charged with her murder.
Police believe Barbara had been having an affair with the 30-year-old and had just ended, or was trying to end, the affair when she was killed.
The number of older women who form long-term relationships with holiday gigolos is growing year on year.
Statistically, a third of all cross-cultural “marriages” end in divorce.
Fifty-three-year-old Jeannette, from Surrey, divorced in her early 30s.
A few years later, despairing of the lack of dates in the UK, she began to travel the world and had numerous sexual encounters with young, foreign men.
Today, she is married to Lamont Harvey, a historian ten years her junior.
“The trouble is that for divorced or widowed women in their 40s, 50s and 60s, their male peers in the UK are either very unattractive or are looking to date much younger women.
“In countries such as the Gambia and Kenya, there is both a surplus of men and the fact that women there tend to marry men at least ten years older than themselves, which is the culture. So for 18-year-old and 20-plus men, there is no one to date.
“Poverty is rife. Then, over the past ten years, planeloads of mature single British women have started arriving, their handbags full of cash. They’re fit, good-looking men and it didn’t take them long to realise that there are rich pickings here.”
Sarah now realises how deluded she was during her Turkish fling. She began sleeping with Mohammed, a waiter, almost as soon as they met.
“The sex was amazing,” she says. “Either Mohammed was a very good actor—which is more than possible—or he genuinely enjoyed going to bed with me.
“Imagine what it was like for me, a fifty-something women who felt abandoned, unloved and on the shelf, thinking no man would ever find me attractive again. Here was a beautiful young man with the most incredible, fit body, begging me to go to bed with him.
“Even though alarm bells were ringing, I thought: ‘Why not? What if I never get this opportunity again?’
“He asked me to go for a walk with him when we were in the restaurant. My friend said ‘You can’t be serious’, but I said: ‘Why not?’ And off we went. He kissed me and before I knew what was happening I was inviting him up to my hotel room.”
At 54, Sarah had gone through the menopause and, deciding there was no risk of pregnancy, did not use a condom. “I can now see that this was extremely foolish, as I later discovered Mohammed had slept with hundreds of women,” she says. “I could have picked up a sexually transmitted disease, not to mention the threat of Aids.”
As they lay together, Mohammed told her he was 22. “For the rest of my holiday we spent most of the time in bed. It must have been awful for my friend, but I didn’t care. I was on cloud nine.
“He would look into my eyes and cry, saying: ‘I want to grow old with you, and I want to take care of you for the rest of my life.’
“When I left him at the airport he was in tears, making me promise to write every day and come back soon.
“As soon as I got home I phoned him. He mentioned that he needed some new shoes, and could I send a small amount of cash? Still besotted and with the memory of so much happiness, I sent him money.
“Gradually, the requests began to multiply. Could I send him the money for a DVD player, as he did not have one? Whenever alarm bells began to ring and I sounded a bit short with him, he made me promise to fly out and see him.
“Within that year, I flew back to Turkey four times, spending a fortune not only on plane tickets, but on gifts for him.”
Meanwhile, back in the UK, her children were highly dubious of mum’s new ‘boyfriend’. “I didn’t dare tell them how young he was, and played down the fact that he was a waiter,” she says.
“I said he was in his 30s and ran his own business. They were saying: ‘Look, Mum, this guy is clearly a conman.’ I told them not to interfere, that I knew what I was doing.”
As they lay together in Sarah’s hotel bedroom Mohammed poured out all his financial woes: he was responsible for his elderly parents and was the only bread-winner in the family. “He made me feel guilty if I questioned his constant need for money,” she says.
For the next three years, Sarah flew to Turkey five times a year. Not only did she give Mohammed thousands of pounds, she also flew him on holiday to Istanbul and the coastal resort of Marmaris.
“Sometimes we’d be walking down the street, hand in hand, and other British tourists would look at us askance,” says Sarah. “But I was very defiant—they didn’t realise that this was a real relationship, that we were in love.”
Sex tourism by British women is not a new phenomenon. As far back as the 1890s, there are recorded incidents of single British women becoming involved with dark-skinned Italian and French men on their cultural ‘tours’ of Europe.
During the British Raj, it was not unknown for English matrons to fall prey to the darkeyed charms of young Indian men.
But in the past two decades, the phenomenon has escalated. Author Jeannette says that since the 1990s, hundreds of thousands of western women have had affairs with much younger foreign men.
“These are respectable middleclass women. Not all of them are unwitting victims to these sexual conmen,” she says. “I have spoken to many women who fly to the Gambia or Jamaica specifically for the purpose of recreational sex.”
Indeed, some British women are utterly shameless about it.
Nicky Jardine, 50, who has two adult daughters and runs her own headhunting business in Guildford, Surrey, goes on holidays with the intention of having sex with young foreigners.
“I see nothing wrong in being a sex tourist,” she says. “My working life is very stressful. Holidays are a time when I can have fun. I have dated men here, but men my age want younger women, and they are also boring. Compare them to a fit, tanned 20-year-old Egyptian!”
Nicky first had sex on a holiday four years ago. She says: “I went on my own to Egypt. I didn’t go looking for sex, but on the first day I became aware I was being eyed up by a very handsome young Egyptian who worked in the hotel complex.
“I told myself not to be silly, but then he approached me and told me I was beautiful.” Nicky invited him to her room.
“It was amazing,” she says. “Maybe he’d targeted lots of British women before—who cares? I wasn’t looking for a long-term romance.
“Of course, you have to realise that these people might be living in poverty. You could be robbed, or even kidnapped. But I felt quite safe when I was with him.”
Now she is settled into a pattern of wild holiday flings totally at odds with her respectable image. Indeed, many would argue that her insouciance about such promiscuity is rather demeaning.
Last year, Nicky enjoyed a Caribbean cruise. “A young crew member made advances,” she smiles. “We had the most amazing times in my cabin. I’d taken my mum with me, and she knew what was going on. In fact, she said: ‘I wish I was 50 again!’”
“I totally understand why more and more British single women like me are going on holiday looking for sex. It’s the easiest thing in the world to pick up a young, handsome guy who will tell you are beautiful and make passionate love to you. All it takes is a bit of cash for presents, and I have plenty of that.
“I always practise safe sex, so no one gets hurt. But I would tell women to be careful. Always use a condom and don’t go off with these men. They are strangers, after all.”
Five years on and Sarah Jarvis no longer looks back on her holiday romance with rose-tinted glasses. “I must have spent more than £20,000 on Mohammed,” she says. “On my final trip last year, I rang his mobile as usual when I arrived at the airport. There was no reply.
“I drove to the hotel where he worked as a waiter, and stormed into his tiny room. He was in bed with an elderly, white woman—like me. He rang me, sobbing, saying it was all a mistake and he loved me.
“Later I marched up to the woman in the hotel dining room and asked her, very calmly, what she thought she was doing. She looked at me in surprise. ‘But he’s my boyfriend,’ she said. ‘We are in love, and I have been flying backwards and forwards from the UK to see him.
“I told her I had, too. She said she had promised Mohammed she would leave her husband and marry him. I said she was a fool.”
Sarah then told Mohammed that his lies had been exposed and ended the relationship. “Speaking to some of the hotel staff, I found out Mohammed had at least 40 white girlfriends,” she says. “It must have been a real juggling act making sure we didn’t all arrive at the same time. Goodness knows how much money he was making out of us all.
“I know people will think: ‘How could you be so stupid?’ But you have to realise just how seductive it is, if you feel fat, old and ugly, to have a beautiful young man saying he cannot live without you and making love to you as if you were a stunning creature.”
But Sarah adds: “More than anything, I want to send out a warning to all the British women planning a holiday romance this summer: don’t do it!
“It will cost you thousands of pounds, and you will end up feeling ridiculous and despised. These are practised conmen—they don’t think you are beautiful; they laugh at you behind your backs.”
Jeannette agrees. “Wise up,” she says. “At the very least you will be fleeced out of hundreds, maybe thousands of pounds. In Kenya and Africa generally, Aids is endemic and you are putting yourself at serious risk.
“Some of these guys are so poor they have nothing to lose, and they may turn violent. If you go off alone with them and change your mind, they may well rape you anyway.
“I know I have been guilty of sex tourism in the past, but there is no way I would take those risks now, knowing what I know.”
(Posted on April 28, 2008)
Comments
Sometimes, all’s well doesn’t end well for these kinds of relationships:
http://countenance.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/how-barbara-got-her-groove-back-but-then-lost-her-life/
Posted by Question Diversity at 5:35 PM on April 28
The fact is that While many of these women clain “naiveity” or “ignorance,” many of them kn exaclty what they were doing. Looking for sex with non-White men.
Whatever “problems” they have, they brought them upon themselves.
Posted by James at 5:46 PM on April 28
Well this sure is a very sickening article.
How stupid can these women be?! They are certainly old enough to know better than to get involved with the sexual equivalent of a Nigerian scam letter.
Posted by Janelle at 6:11 PM on April 28
Earth to lonely 40 something British women: There are plenty of Caucasian men in your age group who are not fat and bald. Click the link below to get my email!
Posted by jewamongyou at 6:28 PM on April 28
No one wants to age. Everyone wants to be young forever. I’m single and in my early 30s. I’ll never be ‘embarassed’ to tell or act my age. I don’t go out with a lot of men because I don’t feel that I have to be with one. I enjoy time to myself. I’ll enjoy the company of the right man, maybe.
If women were taken care of their whole life or in a previous marriage, they’ll always be naive enough to fall for these young men or just not care at all. Who’s to blame? Maybe they were started off that way in life. But, they’ve had plenty of time to be ‘in the know’ through all types of knowledge out there.
Responsibility.
Posted by at 6:32 PM on April 28
These articles always tend to bring on lots of white women bashing. Just keep in mind plenty of middle aged white MEN do exactly the same thing in asian countries, in in some ways its worse because the asian girls can be very young and quite humiliated in the process. I doubt these 22 year old studs feel all that humiliated, or are forced into this by their families.
Posted by Sonya at 6:38 PM on April 28
This can be partly attributed to the mindless youth and sex obsessed mass entertainment industry. These women find the men back home “either very unattractive or are looking to date much younger women.” Brainwashed. I want a life like those on the telly!
Posted by MarcusVA at 6:46 PM on April 28
This following part of the article shows how much in decline the British people are in their morals. These women don’t even know what they are doing is utterly wrong.
“These are respectable middleclass women. Not all of them are unwitting victims to these sexual conmen,” she says. “I have spoken to many women who fly to the Gambia or Jamaica specifically for the purpose of recreational sex.”
Indeed, some British women are utterly shameless about it.
Nicky Jardine, 50, who has two adult daughters and runs her own headhunting business in Guildford, Surrey, goes on holidays with the intention of having sex with young foreigners.
“I see nothing wrong in being a sex tourist,” she says. “My working life is very stressful. Holidays are a time when I can have fun. I have dated men here, but men my age want younger women, and they are also boring. Compare them to a fit, tanned 20-year-old Egyptian!”
Posted by Gaurav Ahuja at 7:39 PM on April 28
The funniest thing of all about this is women are wired differently than men. Men find youth, beauty and fertility to be sexually stimulating. For women, it’s all about the dominance. Where the man is on the food chain so to speak.
The men in these places are at the absolute bottom of the barrel, socially. They may be aggressive, but they are some of the most powerless people on earth. How desperate must a woman be if this is all she can get? It’s the equivalent of a man picking up an obese crack whore with one tooth in her mouth for a sexual encounter.
By contrast, most men in the western world are alpha male material. They just have been brainwashed into not acting like it. A woman could easily turn one of these guys into the man of her dreams if only she was aware of her own wants and desires and the nature of the men around her.
What these women are doing isn’t just stupid because of the risk involved. It’s stupid because it’s a complete failure at giving them what they want….an exciting sexual encounter.
Posted by at 8:07 PM on April 28
“They are leaning out for love,
And they will lean that way forever …” —Leonard Cohen
Leaning out for love or not, they leaned too far and their brains fell out!
I fear what will come upon the world when we get cyber-lovers, for both men and women! The whole world will be given over to deception;indeed, most will run to it!
You will probably be able to design your own “lover”, and it will be one of the most ingenious and debilitating traps of earth, literally leading to Western civilization’s collapse.
Posted by Garvin Alfred Schmaltz at 8:15 PM on April 28
This is starting here in the US too, both sexes are vulnerable and many who run the scams are ethnic gypsies. One poor man in Sacramento was taken from almost half a million dollars by his gypsy “fiance” who never even kissed him. She was actually married and had 4 children and told everyone her husband was her brother and the kids were nieces and nephews. She was sentenced to a jail term but the man still does not have his money back.
Posted by Spartan24 at 8:45 PM on April 28
Perhaps we should commend these women for going overseas instead of a local night club so their affairs with non-white men are not so much in our face.
Posted by LHathaway at 9:03 PM on April 28
It might be an appropriate comment to say that these women deserve what they get. They seem to be foolish, deluded, and they’ve lost their racial identity, not to mention their sense of morality. Obviously they have no religious affiliation either, having sex like this. At best they’ll learn a good lesson. At worst they’ll have lots of company by other deluded and deracinated white women in the future.
Posted by Awakened at 9:45 PM on April 28
If mature grandmothers think nothing of carrying on like common prostitutes, what kind of message are they sending out to the younger generation?
Quite apart from being in full knowledge of the health and safety risks involved, some don’t appear at all bothered what their families might think of them should they find out and actually admit they’ve been hanging out with much younger men which can only mean one thing to everybody whose told.
When is this decadent era going to come to an end, I keep wondering?
Posted by A Swain at 9:50 PM on April 28
White men and women are preyed upon equally for material reasons; for quick cash, or, marriage which results in immigration to the West.
Recently, in Ottawa, Canada, a white woman went public after an African she’d married abandoned her days after arriving. As soon as he received his Canadian citizenship papers, he left the ring on the table and skipped town.
There is also the egotistical pay-off a non-white gets from conquering a white person. It says they’ve out-done their peers. Asian women are notoriously good at this game, picking off meek white males with ease. For the Arabs, the highest achievement of their people was Dodi Fayed almost getting Princess Diana.
Posted by at 9:59 PM on April 28
Writer Jeannette Belliveau, a self-confessed former “sex tourist” and author of a book called Romance On The Road, says the problem is becoming endemic and that these women are deluding themselves about the dangers such flings present.
And to think that a few posters here on AmRen, one in particular, bashed me on my posting to that other AmRen article a few days ago about all of those British women (1500) that were exposed to HIV because of a SINGLE, yes, SINGLE, (as in solitary) black man. I said I married an Asian lady, and I emphasize, lady, because of the “moral corruption” of White women over the past twenty years whether it be the ones that were part of the 1500 in that article or the “many thousands” referenced in this article or from what I’ve seen day-to-day here in the States over the past 15 years.
My only lack of “confidence” is playing “Russian Roulette” with HIV-laden women. It didn’t look too pretty when I watched it on “The Deer Hunter”, nor I expect in real life. It just ain’t worth it. It’s not a “confidence” issue, it’s an issue of trust…and that’s gone out the window.
Posted by at 9:59 PM on April 28
““The ultimate risk is death,” she says, bluntly. “In the past two years three Western women have been killed for their money by their foreign ‘toy boys’.”
Wow! three in two years: IT’S AN EPIDEMIC!
Posted by at 10:02 PM on April 28
““The ultimate risk is death,” she says, bluntly. “In the past two years three Western women have been killed for their money by their foreign ‘toy boys’.”
Wow! three in two years: IT’S AN EPIDEMIC!”“
Well.. aids takes longer to do it’s dirty work and that death toll is suppressed by the victims years later as you can imagine. The real death toll is much higher.
Posted by Unemployed WASP at 10:37 PM on April 28
How stupid can these women be?! They are certainly old enough to know better than to get involved with the sexual equivalent of a Nigerian scam letter.
Posted by Janelle at 6:11 PM on April 28
Great post. “the sexual equivalent of a Nigerian scam letter.”
Especially that line.
I am not at all a cold-hearted person, and laughing at others misfortunes is depraved. But I won’t be dishonest. I simply feel nothing for these women. And the article “Question Diversity” linked us to is another good example. Zero emotion from me for these women.
You want to know who I feel bad for?
That precious, dear, innocent, 7 year boy in Oakland, who was viciously attacked by the same kind of animals who might one day wind up in bed with imbeciles like these women.
And there are far more boys and adolescents being attacked by non-whites than there are women who bed down with shoe-size IQ mutants.
Hey guys, here’s an image.
Pillow talk between a college educated, working professional White woman pushing 60, and a Mutant whose age is slightly higher than his IQ.
On second thought, let’s not go there. For myself, I will go to bed saying a prayer for that boy, and thousands upon thousands like him, as I have been every night for years.
Posted by Salty Dog at 10:50 PM on April 28
Anonymous poster at 9:59 pm,
Yes, I saw your disgusting comments under the other article. And there were a lot of posters who disagreed with you by the way, not just “a few” as you claim.
I will repeat what I said under that article, and it is sad that this even needs to be said on this website….. White men are just as guilty as white women when it comes to miscegnation. Stop bashing us.
Look, I am in my late 20s, and I have all sorts of reasons to give up on white men. For one thing, it seems that none of them my age want to mature and settle down. I have been told that I am too conservative and too old fashioned more than once by white males I have dated.
Having said all of this, do I dare react by giving up on white men and going after a traditional Muslim arab man or a Hindu Indian man who cares about settling down and starting a family before he is 40? Do I go after a conservative Japanese man? No way. Unlike you, I am a true member of this movement. I care about my race. I still find white men to be the most attractive men in the world and I have faith that I will find a good one one day.
Stop blaming white women for the fact that you can’t find a decent one. Perhaps you have some of your own shortcomings you need to sort out. All I can say is that you aren’t truly part of our movement. Look at any recent Census Bureau study. Well over 85% of white Americans still marry their own race. Hmmm…Geee. I guess most white men don’t think white women are all that bad. It appears it is you, sir , who is practicing unusual behavior.
I hope your post is the last I see of its kind. To all the men on here….stop bashing us if you want us to stick with you in this movement.
Posted by Courtney at 11:00 PM on April 28
Anonymous at 10:02 your point is well taken - but let’s not forget the long-term death toll from AIDS. Maybe this is a stretch but chances are that some middle-aged white males, our of loneliness and desperation, are taking their own lives - as women who could have dated them are traveling abroad in search of non-white males.
Posted by jewamongyou at 11:08 PM on April 28
Simply put, sex and the desire to be “desired” has made people, otherwise sane and sensible people do the most reckless and bizarre things forever. White western women have also been sold this “mysterious, dusky-hued stud mythology” for decades now, and more recently the ghetto/hip-hop thug glorification factor. Put this all together, and you have a recipe for trouble…if not disaster. It is sad that these women can’t at least think of a safer, more sensible source of romance and “release” among their own kind
Posted by HH at 11:39 PM on April 28
I recently saw a program on TV featuring these stupid white women who become pen pals with black prison inmates and end up being exploited by them to bring them cash and other contraband. Time and again they marry these black thugs while they are in prison and the black thugs use that to help convince the parole board to release them. Then the white female ding-bats are in for a real surprise when they find the black thug’s demeanor dramatically changes when they no longer need them, other than to scam them out of some more money. And with sickening regularity these white women end up being murdered by these black thugs they’ve brought into their lives.
This is just another symptom of the complete breakdown of the white community and the traditional family values that are critical to survival. Whites need to become as racially conscious as blacks if we are to survive.
Posted by at 12:23 AM on April 29
I can’t help but wonder if these women hadn’t made DIFFERENT CHOICES in their lives at an earlier time if they wouldn’t be reduced to such sad and pathetic lives now. I see many young girls running around at bars, at colleges, basically frittering away their 20’s, building careers in their 30’s and one day they wake up and are in their forties alone and unloved. Suddenly that boring, hard-working guy who wasn’t ‘dangerous’ enough to go out with before because he wasn’t a ‘bad boy’ is more appealing, but the opportunity is no longer there. Sad.
Posted by at 12:51 AM on April 29
There is a silver lining, however. The women are past childbearing years.
Posted by Hran at 12:55 AM on April 29
““The ultimate risk is death,” she says, bluntly. “In the past two years three Western women have been killed for their money by their foreign ‘toy boys’.”
Wow! three in two years: IT’S AN EPIDEMIC!
Posted by at 10:02 PM on April 28
Oh wow, geez, hey. Sarcasm in the form of what Dedalus once refered to as a “Hit and Run” Post. Well, you’ve “hit” anonymous, so, keep runnin’.
Would you like the number to be higher? The situation itself constitutes an epidemic; the murders are what’s drawing attention to it.
Posted by Mal Evans at 1:28 AM on April 29
My 20-years-younger very beautiful Russian wife and I have been been married for 10 years, have two children, and are quite happy, thank you. She owns a home and land in Russia and we are moving there to raise our children in a white, Christian environment. I thank God that I married a woman with a Russian Passport! Guess that makes me a MC refugee?
Posted by at 1:46 AM on April 29
“Earth to lonely 40 something British women: There are plenty of Caucasian men in your age group who are not fat and bald.”
You are wrong. Those men always want to date younger women, not women their own age.
“What these women are doing isn’t just stupid because of the risk involved. It’s stupid because it’s a complete failure at giving them what they want….an exciting sexual encounter.”
You have zero idea what turns women on.
This whole problem is the sad result of men who have abandoned marriage and leave their wives for younger women as soon as they have some financial stability. Divorce is unnatural and this is the consequence. We can thank the homosexuals and pornographers for letting men off the hook and driving women to this unnatural way of meeting their very human and basic need for intimacy.
Posted by sofita at 7:08 AM on April 29
Posted by at 10:02 PM ““The ultimate risk is death,” she says, bluntly. “In the past two years three Western women have been killed for their money by their foreign ‘toy boys’.”
Wow! three in two years: IT’S AN EPIDEMIC!
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LOL. I thought the same thing. Gee, I wonder how many western women have been killed by their middle aged white boyfriends/husbands in the last 2 years.
Posted by Sonya at 7:15 AM on April 29
For your information, The Daily Mail is one of Britain’s very worst newspapers (a very hard fought contest if there ever was one!). Simultaneously it manages both to be sex-obsessed and sex-hating, thus producing a general, nasty hypocritical, prurient tone to the whole paper, which is very fitting to the papers target petit-bourgeois, suburban ‘curtain-twitching’, sexually-neurotic readership.
Thus this story, which combines two of its great themes:
1/. Menopausal women - who comprise the bulk of the Mail’s ‘curtain-twitching’ readership.
2/. The hint of ‘shocking’ sex.
The Mail has run variations on this theme over and over again - they know a rich seam whhen they find one.
Posted by Brian Wilson at 7:38 AM on April 29
Another white male bashing article glorifying feminism! The article would most definitely not be sympathetic and glorifying the process if it were males going to Thailand looking for as much fun as possible with young women.
White males their age apparently are boring, fat and balding. The women in this article are all described as slim, being in good shape and have well paid jobs. Maybe this thin veneer of superiority and attitude are enough to put off any prospective partner?
Posted by ODDL at 8:43 AM on April 29
Perhaps they will bring home a souvenir that will last a lifetime of memories.
Posted by Deen at 12:07 PM on April 29
This is one area where I readily concede to those who bemoan the loss of religious traditions on the basic principal that religion (of some sort) is necessary to a culture. It is necessary for a society that wishes to remain cohesive, to have a communal form of rules that guide our lives beyond the rule of democratic law, which tends to “liberate” its citizens from personal and familial responsibilities. Since females are the foundation of any society or culture due to being the bearer of children and the natural nurturers, the loss of their participation in the family structure undermines that society.
Unfortunately for the feminists, it is not an equal equation; men and women have differing roles that makes the promiscuity of women more detrimental to the order than men. The fact is that womens reproductive organs are easier to damage permanently. And this extreme liberation to the point of the loss of self-respect is fundamentally what has been slowly destroying the Western World. This is because once lost, many pretend that this particular form of self respect through restraint is an illusion. Yet, it is self restraint that is actually the virtue that enables not only self-respect and regard, but influences society through example.
Today, it is nearly impossible to switch on your television without seeing a sexual performance oriented ad for one drug or another. It used to be a great shame to have breast enhancement surgery (the 1960s) but now it is so commonplace that it is almost considered a right for all females. The examples go on. When we loose our way through the loss of personal ethics and self-policing, we create what we have in the West today where the most popular women are those who are publicly self-destructing.
Posted by Whiteplight at 1:49 PM on April 29
Excuse me if I dont show sympathy for these poor girls who face loss of funds(Outrageous!) or the threat of being “laughed at behind their backs”(Shocking!) or even the all-too-remote possibility of murder.(Boo hoo,such a loss!) They are filthy despicable swine and ought to be horsewhipped! Better yet,do NOT allow them to come back to boring old “civilization”! What better outcome for some swinish obese harridan pig than to spend the rest of her life in Egypt,Turkey or Kenya!? How fantastic and amusing that would be! And god for the local economy,too as tourists could come and see the way they live when their money runs out! Of course if things get too tough,they could work as sex escorts themselves,servicing elderly Asian and African tourists from the West coming back to get a little somethin-somethin’!!
Posted by joshrandall at 3:19 PM on April 29
There’s an old saying: If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
Seriously, how does this not raise red flags in all of these old girls’ minds? If old, ugly men are going for young women, why on earth wouldn’t the young fellas who don’t yet repulse said hotties? The ones who really fall for these dudes need their heads examined.
I fear what will come upon the world when we get cyber-lovers, for both men and women! The whole world will be given over to deception;indeed, most will run to it!
You will probably be able to design your own “lover”, and it will be one of the most ingenious and debilitating traps of earth, literally leading to Western civilization’s collapse.
The hour might be later than you think, Al. There’s some online sim-game out there right now called “Second Life,” and two acquaintances of mine are on it. One simply logs on every now and again, but the other is just about obsessed with it. The fat, lifeless bugger comes into the bar and starts talking about his online “girlfriend” and “job” like they were real. I’m starting to think he may be losing his ability to differentiate between the the game and the real world.
It is the very lamest thing I have ever seen. The temptation to weep for him is strong. I have never seen this game, and will never go near it if there is even the slightest possibility that it could render me so pathetic a loser. If that ever happened, I would hope there was someone around who loved me enough to shoot me.
Same goes if I’m ever dumb enough to be conned out of half-a-million dollars by some young foreign hottie.
Posted by BW Sam at 3:32 PM on April 29
The utter barrenness of these women’s lives is really frightening. Do they really find something fulfilling in these relationships? If so, Britain is in desperate trouble. This is a terrifying symptom of a civilizational crisis.
Posted by Xenophon at 4:16 PM on April 29
These women are going to too much trouble. I am a lesbian, but I have dated men enough to know that women really are my preference. The truth is that women are harder to get but worth it in my opinion. Why are these women going so far from home and spending so much money when they could go down to the corner tavern and just pretty much take their pick? It doesn’t make sense. Do they simply like the illusion of power that it gives them? Maybe their money does buy them some true power. I don’t know. It just seems like to much trouble for too little payoff.
Posted by Ginny at 5:47 PM on April 29
“Stop blaming white women for the fact that you can’t find a decent one. Perhaps you have some of your own shortcomings you need to sort out.”
Bravo Courtney. Bravo. There ARE lots of problems with men and women concerning maturity (but here I’m talking about the men, and would at one point include myself).
I do think that it is not there fault, at all. It’s part of an historical train wreck of an accident, and it really helps to know this. This is NOT excuse making. It’s an honest search for an answer to a very real problem. And this answer is verified again and again with some very reliable studies on the Family. In short, I would sum it up to “Arrested Developent” and an overall decay of society from all fronts, visible in all institutions.
But, even if we’re not at fault, we ARE responsible for taking some action. The problem is, most people wont until their personal problems get out of hand and they lose a job, or one too many girlfriends or boyfriends, etc. These things happened to me and I did something about it. I started going to both individual and group therapy. That way its not all about me. I could listen to others and I did it for three years straight. It’s not everyones thing and you can’t force someone to go. In fact, if you are trying to force someone to go, it’s a clear sign that you should leave them and - go yourself!
Usually people notice how messed up they are when they enter the adult world. And I think you don’t have to be Freud to see that the Adult world itself is pretty messed up, from head to toe. In short, we’re all in this together and there’s alot more we can do about it than we think.
Posted by Mal Evans at 8:20 PM on April 29
“And there are far more boys and adolescents being attacked by non-whites than there are women who bed down with shoe-size IQ mutants.”
Obviously, you haven’t attended an urban nightclub lately.
Posted by at 8:42 PM on April 29
Sonya:
“LOL. I thought the same thing. Gee, I wonder how many western women have been killed by their middle aged white boyfriends/husbands in the last 2 years.”
The issue isn’t the number who’ve been killed. This issue is far more fundamental than that. The issue is this:
“…one of the many thousands of British women courted by the legions of young foreign men in such tourist hotspots as Turkey, Egypt, Jamaica, the Gambia and Kenya.”
“one of the many thousands”…That is the issue. That is the travesty…that they’d even stoop so low to begin with.
Posted by at 10:04 PM on April 29
This just demonstrates why White men are leaving White women in droves. The slutty behavior of many White females leaves alot to be desired.
Posted by Robert at 10:05 PM on April 29
12:51 AM:
“I can’t help but wonder if these women hadn’t made DIFFERENT CHOICES in their lives at an earlier time if they wouldn’t be reduced to such sad and pathetic lives now. I see many young girls running around at bars, at colleges, basically frittering away their 20’s, building careers in their 30’s and one day they wake up and are in their forties alone and unloved. Suddenly that boring, hard-working guy who wasn’t ‘dangerous’ enough to go out with before because he wasn’t a ‘bad boy’ is more appealing, but the opportunity is no longer there. Sad.”
Bravo. The exact same train of thought has gone through my mind over the past few years. It’s the whole “Sex in the City” phenomenom…and they are playing it to the hilt.
Posted by at 10:07 PM on April 29
The same article keeps popping up every few months - South Africa, Jamaica, etc. I have to wonder if it’s just a coordinated effort by some in the media to get this truly rare behavior rolling in earnest and make it common, make it as big as they claim. They’re hatred of whites knows no bounds.
Posted by Doubt it's true at 10:38 PM on April 29
“This just demonstrates why White men are leaving White women in droves. The slutty behavior of many White females leaves alot to be desired.”
You guys left us long before we left you. Let’s go back to the 1500s and before if you really want to get down and dirty here.
In any case I think these are moot points. Very few white men miscegnate and the same goes for white women. Both sexes are equally responsible. It is time for us to come together and end this bashing that is based on faulty evidence and ignorant exaggerations.
When I first came on this website all of the men on here were constantly talking about how white women are the most beautiful women in the world. This sadly isn’t the case anymore going by the garbage I constantly read on here now. Something is wrong with this picture. What is the purpose of this website again?
Posted by Courtney at 12:21 AM on April 30
On a related note, does everybody remember that white girl,named Sutton, who was sleeping with one of the black murders of that white couple in Knoxville? On the witness stand she admitted having anonymous sex with black thugs. And does everybody remember that black actor{?} named, Gary Coleman? I believe the show was called, Diff’rent Strokes. I saw in the paper he was getting a divorce from his wife. He is like 40 and she is 22, and yes……you guessed it, she is white. It is difficult to have any pity for alot of these white women.
Posted by at 1:30 AM on April 30
Look, I am in my late 20s, and I have all sorts of reasons to give up on white men. For one thing, it seems that none of them my age want to mature and settle down.
This has nothing to do with maturity. It has to do with the fact that there is a 50% chance that the marriage will end in divorce, there is a 70% chance that the divorce will be filed by the woman, and there is an 80% chance that the courts will shear the man of everything he has, as well as a hefty chunk of his income for years to come.
Marriage in this country has become a pig-in-a-poke deal for a man. Until the laws and divorce courts become made more equitable, we’ll be avoiding marriage like the plague, as we should. Don’t blame us, blame the feminazis and their liberal allies who’ve made these misandrist laws.
Posted by qwerty at 3:31 AM on April 30
As I posted here a couple of years ago, in my last post (ah, how time flies), white women are the real source of our race’s weakness. Of course, both sexes miscegenate, and never has miscegenation been so common (mea culpa). It is certainly despicable, though more so for women than for us men just out for a little fun now and then. Historically, the use of prostitutes has been an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. To us, it is no big deal, a physical act often without moral content (I mean to those who utilize prostitutes, something which had some justification in the ‘ancien regime’, where so many marriages were either arranged by others, or entered into out of hard economic necessity, but which, post-sexual revolution, is pathetic; I have never used a whore, and never will).
Women, however, are not hardwired to view sex in such a manner, given the difficulties and dangers to which sex historically has exposed them. A man running around seeking to fornicate, especially with strange women in exotic places, is understandable, if undignified. Such behavior is in keeping with ‘man’s nature’. But for a woman to do the same is profoundly unnatural. The man who visits whores (or gallivants as a sex-tourist) is a loser, certainly, because sex at home is not that hard to come by for free (well, dinner and cab fare to avoid DUI may be required …). The women in the above article, though, are pitiful, and illustrate the inherent psychological inferiority of the female. They engage in sex-tourism to satisfy emotional needs, which in effect says that they cannot even control their own mental states - that their inner equilibrium is a plaything of others (men).
For most of Western history it was accepted that fathers should control their daughters, and husbands their wives. (Of course, this custom was never understood to grant a license to be abusive, either in pagan or Christian times.) Pre-menopausal females especially were seen as somewhat akin to wild and emotionally overwrought children. If the West is to survive, serious racialist men need, at least covertly, amongst and within ourselves, to recover this traditional understanding.
Posted by Leon Haller at 7:35 AM on April 30
“The utter barrenness of these women’s lives is really frightening. Do they really find something fulfilling in these relationships? If so, Britain is in desperate trouble. This is a terrifying symptom of a civilizational crisis.” Xenophon
The same thought occured to me. Do these vapid British women really seek control of their younger disadvantaged Third World partners? Where is the self respect and dignity in such actions? Where’s the sense of shame? Age should bring some wisdom not just self indulgence. Personally, I’d rather spend time at the theater, opera or an art museum than prowling some awful Third World hellhole for “fresh meat”
Posted by Sardonicus at 8:06 AM on April 30
Courtney,
I’ll say it for you again - White women are the most stunning and beautiful.
I can’t imagine being with any other type. My wife and I are expecting our first child.
I will say, however, she is 12 years younger than I. I had dated a few nearer my age. They made the mistake in their lives of pursuing career over family. One stunner - 4th in Ms. Florida - that I was engaged to, has, sadly probably never married and if she has she probably hasn’t had a child (I say this based on her attitude).
Many women in our society have made the mistake of buying the “career over family” line the feminists sold them. Many men have made the mistake of believing the line “why buy the cow when the milk is free” and have shunned marriage. The combination is foreboding doom for the West.
The removal of Christianity from our Western societies is the the most destructive happening we have undergone - and it has happened so rapidly.
I know many here are critical of Christianity, however, if you truly seek salvation (through Christ) and God’s plan for your life, things like loyality in marriage, the desire for children, a sense of purpose, and the drive to protect your society come naturally.
If this country were as Christian as it was 150 years ago, does anyone here truly believe we would be allowing all of this Muslim immigration? Our societies back they were not bent on self-destruction.
Posted by GWS at 8:58 AM on April 30
This article says “thousands” of vactioning women are being courted by young men in those countries. It implies thousands are going there for sex. However, how many actually go for sex? A hundred? I think it was sensationalized and I saw this topic a few months ago. I teased my british friend about it but she says she never heard of any women engaging in this behavior.
There is so much hatred at at this site for black men and it’s confusing to me because they’ve always been sweet to me. Black men are not worse than asian women to me; they’re just not white. I’m married and raising two young white kids and visit amren to load myself with arguments about why they need to marry white. I’ve already deprogrammed them about how great Rosa Parks was, ha ha!
Posted by at 9:24 AM on April 30
“What is the purpose of this website again?”
To promote the ideals of Western Civilisation?
Posted by at 10:27 AM on April 30
No one can dispute the fact that a percentage of American white women are breathtakingly beautiful. However, white conservitive females are a vanishing breed in a society filled with indoctronated liberal bubble-headed Pollyanna’s who parrot Marxism at every opportunity.
Conservitive males by nature tend to value tradition and are therefore attracted to women possessing traditional values. This often leads to the necessity of marrying outside of ones race and in and of itself should not be cause for alarm…
Posted by at 12:37 PM on April 30
“It is certainly despicable, though more so for women than for us men just out for a little fun now and then. Historically, the use of prostitutes has been an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. To us, it is no big deal…”
Goose……..Gander.
Posted by at 7:15 PM on April 30
Leon Haller,
The beauty of western civilization is that we are rational enough to allow freedom to all rightful citizens, men and women. We are smart and empathic enough to understand that it isn’t fair to try to make second class citizens of any human beings. Women are not the problem, we are as smart, law abiding, and as rational as men. We are not same as men but functioning productive human beings in our own right.
The problem is the trend of extreme liberalism and socialism that have made it ok for people to break rules and disregard social shame. Our mantra today is to do whatever feels good no matter what the consequences of those actions. When family is not considered to be sacrosanct and broken families are the norm, what else can be held sacred? Old women and men seeking sex with anything available is not surprising considering the breakdown of social norms and cohesiveness. Importing primitives and listening to them is one of the biggest problems that we have, not women. Remember, many liberals are men and many conservatives are women.
Men do not have the right to control women, this line of thought is unacceptable!!!
Posted by Violet at 7:22 PM on April 30
Reply to 9:24 AM POSTER:
“black men ,,, have always been sweet to me ,,,”
I don’t know where you live or what your social background is but I think you need, or will, one day get a major reality check. Why don’t you try walking alone at night in downtown Detroit, Harlem or Watts and see how nice and “sweet” all those black men are you are going to meet.
Posted by at 7:51 AM on May 1
“The utter barrenness of these women’s lives is really frightening. Do they really find something fulfilling in these relationships? If so, Britain is in desperate trouble. This is a terrifying symptom of a civilizational crisis.” — Xenophon
The same thought occured to me. Where is the self respect and dignity in such actions? Where’s the sense of shame? Age should bring some wisdom, not just self indulgence. Personally, I’d rather spend time at the theater, opera, or an art museum than prowling some Third World hellhole for “fresh meat”.
Posted by Sardonicus
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It depends on what one’s “hobby” is. Obviously, cultural standards have changed. Opera and art museums are passé. The present state of things, as described by this article (if it’s really to be believed) reminds me of the decadent period of ancient Rome, during its decline, when high-society matrons competed with the prostitutes. Literally! … an utterly different picture from the rigorously virtuous standards of early Rome (which had brought it to its greatness).
I recall the words (as best I can from memory) from “I, Claudius”, where the prostitute brazenly but candidly tells the aristocrat: “The only difference between us, Madame, is that I do for pay what you do for pleasure.”
From this, it seems that amidst the debauched revelry, the (formerly) “Great” Britain has also come to its time of decline and fall. Meanwhile, the carousing fools eat, drink, and make merry - while the barbarian invasion goes on.
Posted by ghw at 7:00 PM on May 1
“It is certainly despicable, though more so for women than for us men, just out for a little fun now and then. Historically, the use of prostitutes has been an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. To us, it is no big deal…”
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Goose……..Gander.
Posted by at 7:15 PM
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No, not really. Mr. Haller has already pointed out that the goose is not the same as the gander. And that’s just Nature; it’s not Mr. Haller.
Ancient, traditional cultures (like that of the Moslems) instinctively know this. They keep their daughters under close watch because they know that the females are the weak spot, the soft underbelly, of the race. The females are the most vulnerable. What ever misadventures their sons get into, at least they’re not going to come home pregnant.
And that’s just nature. Sorry. Don’t blame Mr. Haller.
And Violet says, “The beauty of western civilization is that we are rational enough to allow freedom to all rightful citizens, men and women.”
That sounds wonderful. Ideally, it would be very nice. Unfortunately, Violet, humans are often not rational at all when it comes to matters of love and sex. Even the most brilliant intellect can turn into a simpering fool when captured by the heart. Which is why the foolish, impetuous young have parents and grandparents. They do not necessarily have to be controlled by “men”, but they need to be controlled (I’d prefer to say “guided”) by SOMEBODY.
Posted by BROWSER at 7:27 PM on May 1
Here’s to Courtney. She has the pep and zeal to make me wish I were 20 (maybe 25) years younger. Clearly, white women are not going to the dogs any faster than are white men. I doubt that many young white men stand for anything good at all. They respect nothing and no one; they’d sell out their own grandmother, maybe even slit her throat, for a dollar. There are notable exceptions, and among those would be the men and women of America’s Armed Forces. We could use a little bit more of “being old-fashioned” among men and women. What’s so bad about going back to the day when we heard such phrases as “pardon me,” “thank you,” and “please?” Some years back I said “thank you” to a young man who had carted groceries from the supermarket to my car for me and my aged mother, and his reply was “yeah.” I would have been severely reprimanded, at the very least, if I had replaced “you’re welcome” with “yeah” in my youth.
On the other hand, maybe I’m just jealous that I can’t seem to find one of those caps with the bill in the back to wear and maybe even wear that cap indoors, too, in spite of what used to be considered good manners. Oh, and I really need to find myself a few pairs of those baggy shirts and pants. I’d feel younger instantly if I could keep the pants up.
Give me an American white woman any day. Does any white man really think he’d be happier with a 400-pound Big Bahama Mamma whose backside could sink a battleship?
Let’s not split white people into two warring camps along the lines of sex.
If God repented that He ever He had made man in Noah’s day, what might God be thinking of us now?
Posted by BeenHereTooLong at 12:48 AM on May 2
qwerty:
The fact is that it is not divorce laws and other legal factors that are causing White men to behave in the manner that they are.
It is a unassuming amount of immaturity that too many White man have developed over the past few decades that has resulted in their inability and unwillingess to act as mature adults.
It is White males who are largely responsible for the current predicament that exiat between our genders.
Posted by Rachel at 1:26 AM on May 2
browser,
If you look at my entire post, you see that I believe in family guidance and cohesiveness. The women are acting out not because it is in their nature or ‘weakness’ but because of the breakdown of general social norms which btw is the responsibility of both men and women. Parents should guide both boys and girls not just girls!!! I disagree with you that it’s less harmful for men to go out and spreading their seeds in other countries, many mixed kids have come to the US and are lobbying to get into this country. Some Asian countries sent them back to their ‘fatherland’.
Everyone needs to respect and follow social norms that have kept us together which doesn’t preclude treating all citizens as human beings. This includes women.
Posted by Violet at 1:52 AM on May 2
Goose……..Gander. two wrongs = a right = moral chaos.
ghw, yes, the barbarians are at the gates and we have opened them. I think Rome lasted another three hundred years after Claudius; we won’t last that long.
Posted by Sardonicus at 12:42 PM on May 2
I agree with a female’s comments on the immaturity of men and with a male’s comment on financial risks of marriage for the man. But, no characteristic can label an entire group of white females or white males. We’re all individuals with different personalities, upbringings, and circumstance.
Too many people rush into marriage without knowing who they are, who their spouse is, or what the two might want together for a lifetime. Too many females are raised to look for a man to take care of them. Too many men think they deserve a woman half their age because they think they’ll always be a stud.(Chances are her body won’t always look that good if she’s never had to discipline herself. He might always be delusional of how good he looks.)
I’m in my early 30s. I know plenty of men in their early 40s who’ve had kids, done and been what they thought a husband is supposed to do and be; but, neither he nor she is happy. I’ve seen marriages where she is more financially successful than he. I’ve seen marriages where she doesn’t think she’ll ever have to work. A man shouldn’t have to live two lives. A woman shouldn’t just be a trophy wife. They should be attractive to one another in a way that no one else understands. Having nice bodies to look at is nice, but a mind with some thought behind it is even better. Having a little bit of understanding of the world they live in, while contributing equally to the same goal, sounds right. More should be settled with a long enough relationship preceding the marriage. I can’t say that one checks out of the relationship more dispropotionally than the other.
I’m patient enough to wait and to learn through seeing other’s mistakes. When I’m ready to go all in, it will be ‘slim pickins’ to find a man around my age that matches up with me who has never been married or never had kids. But, if it’s meant to be, it will be.
Posted by at 4:10 PM on May 2
George Gilder had a lot to say about this about 30 years ago in his book “Sexual Suicide”. I believe that it was more recently re-released as “Men and Marriage”. Gilder, an economist by training, argues that one of the incentives for a boy to grow up is sex. Historically, a father judged whether or not a male was a fit prospect for his daughter, just as he had been judged by his father-in-law. No responsible man placed the responsibility for the continuation of his line in the hands of silly teens. In some cultures, a daughter had some say in the matter, but girls were taught that this was the most important decision in their lives, and given some instruction in the criteria for making the decision. A boy had to impress a father with his maturity and fitness if he wanted sex.
Of course there were prostitutes and sluts and strutting roosters, but they were outcast from decent society. Even Royal rakes knew that appearances must be kept up in front of the common people. A kingdom full of people who behaved like Africans, louts and drunks and bastards and whores, wasn’t going to be very prosperous or peaceful.
Now we live in a society that idolizes dancers and harlots and thugs and fops, and every female has the right to bed whoever she wishes, and many do. A boy in his twenties doesn’t need to impress anyone with his maturity. Our degraded culture does not respect seriousness, a man with gravitas is a comic figure, and our 27 year old boy gains status from his car and his cultivated 5:00 o’clock shadow. He gets sex regularly, he makes the rent and the payments on his car, he’s living the life that Blacks aspire to, and nobody tells him he’s a failure as a human being. Why should he grow up if women don’t insist on it?
Posted by Schoolteacher at 9:03 PM on May 2
ghw, yes, the barbarians are at the gates and we have opened them. I think Rome lasted another three hundred years after Claudius; we won’t last that long.
Posted by Sardonicus
I’ll give us thirty.
Posted by voter at 11:10 PM on May 2
browser,
If you look at my entire post, you see that I believe in family guidance and cohesiveness. The women are acting out not because it is in their nature or ‘weakness’ but because of the breakdown of general social norms which btw is the responsibility of both men and women. Parents should guide both boys and girls not just girls!!! I disagree with you that it’s less harmful for men to go out and spreading their seeds…
Violet
Yes, I understand. I’m not necessarily advocating their practices and customs, I’m just observing the fact that’s the way some ancient cultures ARE. And the fact that they are ancient cultures proves that they have been successful at surviving — something that we seem not to be doing very well at this point in our history, whatever the reasons may be.
Posted by browser at 11:24 PM on May 2
I see a lot that is right here and a lot that is wrong. I don’t think anyone here hates white women, least of all me. I just didn’t want to marry a fat gal with a tattoo and a mulatto or three in tow.
Every woman is beautiful when she smiles at the man she loves.
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 1:09 AM on May 3
I live in Philadelphia. I was in a bar last month and I overherard a married man talking with another man. They may have been friends. Both men looked to bein their late 20s, maybe early 30s.
He told the other man that he and his wife frequently had threesomes with young Black and Latino men. He said that sometimes he would watch these men have sex with his wife, other times he would join in. This was disgusting to hear.
The fact is that too many of our young White people have become hedonistic and perverted beyond any level of decency.
The mainstream media has played a major role in this decline of decency in our society.
Posted by Harold at 1:33 AM on May 3
“Our degraded culture does not respect seriousness, a man with gravitas is a comic figure” Schoolteacher
This is a good lesson from the Schoolteacher. In our society an agreeable fiction is preferable to a disagreeable fact. Alas, facts have a way of asserting themselves. We will see this after the next election.
I’m in academia and today’s youth seem effete and little prepared for our declining world. Maybe the coming hard times will make real men and women of them.
Posted by Sardonicus at 1:15 PM on May 3
Harold:
At one time, I would have dismissed such posts as bogus trolls attempting to create discord on the website, but after reading a number of articles, speaking with a number of people, and seeing a number of posts make similar comments, this does not surprise me.
In fact, there was an article last year in Details Magazine (April 2007)entitled “Meet the Mandingos.” The article discused upper clas and wealthy White couples who hired well-endowed Black men for sex. You can probably find the artilce on line.
Maybe the guy you heard in the bar was one of these men who engages in such activity.
Posted by Larry at 3:02 PM on May 3