Petition Seeks to Remove Denton Confederate Statue
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DENTON—While to some the statue of a Confederate soldier that stands before the Denton County Courthouse represents a piece of history, others say they believe it just represents hypocrisy.
That stand has incited two University of North Texas students to start a petition for the removal of the historical landmark, a statue of a Confederate soldier holding his gun to represent the South in the Civil War.
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[Aron Duhon, a white student behind the petition] said the statue, with its two separate fountains, is a standing ovation to racism. The two fountains were originally made separate for whites and blacks.
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“We live in a diverse population,” said Jason V. Waite, another student [race uncertain] behind the petition. “We have the University of North Texas here. We have lots of foreign students, lots of commuters and this only puts a damper on entrepreneurial interests in Denton.”
Denton County Judge Mary Horn said the students’ petition is the third time the confederate statue issue has caught the attention of the commissioners court.
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“When I see a Confederate soldier memorial, I got to stop to have a picture of that,” said Sandy Kolls, a self-professed [white] historical buff.
Kolls came across the statue while visiting Texas from Illinois.
“I’m a northerner and I honor the soldiers who fought for the Confederacy, okay?” she said of the statue. “So, I get a good feeling.”
There are also others who disagree.
“I believe it represents hatred,” said Coby Williams [a black].
“That’s just like having, I guess, like a slave owner with a whip,” agreed Leah Herford [another black].
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  Confederate soldier—the farthest thing from a hero possible? |
Email Debbie Denmon at ddenmon@wfaa.com.
(Posted on April 30, 2008)
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“When I see a Confederate soldier memorial, I got to stop to have a picture of that,” said Sandy Kolls, a self-professed [white] historical buff.
Kolls came across the statue while visiting Texas from Illinois.
“I’m a northerner and I honor the soldiers who fought for the Confederacy, okay?” she said of the statue. “So, I get a good feeling.”(FROM ARTICLE ABOVE)
Is she single?
Posted by Howard in Las Vegas at 6:15 PM on April 30
So, the Confederate soldier who died a painful death or suffered a horrific injury on the battlefield, despite having never owned a slave, is not worthy of remembrance?
Posted by idareya at 6:21 PM on April 30
By the 60s 70s, the preponderance of Whites had become so decadent that they were either incapable, or more likely unwilling, to defend the faith of their fathers. It comes as no surprise that their idiot “Love’ children are little different.
Ronald
Posted by Ronald at 6:26 PM on April 30
I grew up as a open minded person, assuming everyone is equal and to be treated fairly.
Well the more I see of what is happening, the more I understand that the blacks are the biggest racists there is, and the more I see of them the more disgusted I am.
They are for the most part polluting our society.
Posted by at 7:06 PM on April 30
it’s a valid part of texas history.
get over it.
what’s next? will la raza want to level the alamo so texas can forget about that, too?
Posted by crow at 7:45 PM on April 30
A good looking statue.
Posted by Chuck Hayes at 8:25 PM on April 30
Another liberal white kid with far far too much time on his hands. When will we learn to tell these little punks with ego problems to just shut up?!
Ive said it once Ill say it 100000x, we need conscription in America, give these little dweebs something contructive to do.
Steve
Posted by at 8:34 PM on April 30
“That’s just like having, I guess, like a slave owner with a whip,” agreed Leah Herford”
Using the logic of this genius, all persons with German sounding surnames should be legally forced to change their names because it’s just like supporting the Nazi party. I guess.
Posted by Lucas M at 8:41 PM on April 30
My understanding of the matter is that soldiers are soldiers and dead is dead. The Confederate soldier was just some guy, like his Union bretheren who just got to pick up the check after their “betters” decided they would fight each other. He wasn’t whupping slaves; he probably didn’t own an extra pair of shoes until he was conscripted, and his issue shoes fell apart immediately; the CSA reinforcements at Sharpsburg (A.K.A. Antietam) marched in barefoot. He was fed rather rarely, inadequately clothed, and in battle about as tough as a three-day hangover with dry-heaves.
Military memorials are the same all over. I saw a memorial in China in 1987 that the Communists maintain. It is huge, and has in it the name of every Chinese Nationalist soldier who died in action between 1937 and 1945. The Communists eventually beat the Nationalists, but the memorial is maintained, with every single man’s name on the walls, millions of them.
Leave the statues and memorials alone, all over the world. Li, Werner, Pierre, Brian, Masuhiro and Ivan are gone, but their agony should never be ignored or hidden away.
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 8:50 PM on April 30
Jason V.Waite apparently thinks that Americans should give up their history and culture, lest we offend foreign students, commuters, and entrepreneurs. I would never live in a college town, where ignorant adolescents, led by academics, presume to tell working people how to order their lives and communities. I’ve been to the town square in Denton, and the monument is glorious. And it doesn’t seem to slow down the business at Recycled Books either. They have a good selection of used books on the American West, all good Texans should pay them a visit and praise the monument.
Posted by Schoolteacher at 9:03 PM on April 30
I’ve driven by that statue for years and, sadly, knew it was just a matter of time before one of the ‘enlightened’ took a legal axe to it.
Posted by Scott Wilson at 9:14 PM on April 30
As Sam Francis pointed out many years ago, attacks on the confederate past of the south are in fact simply anti-white racism. So the ones who are the real racists here are the ones complaining about the statue.
Only an egotistical black or an equally uneducated white would equate the cause of the confederacy solely with the preservation of slavery. At the time immediately proceeding the War of Northern Aggression, there were far more Southern white abolitionists than Northern ones. There was also the cause of states rights which was central to the US constitution until the Lincoln administration launched the bloodiest war in our history against his own people.
Remember that it was the states in their capacity as independent nations which created the union and they explicitly reserved the right to withdraw from it should it threaten their vital interests by calling the representatives of the people of the state in convention to decide. Such was the same process that was used to establish the Union in the first place through ratification of the constitution, but I would not expect college students today, especially black ones who are motivated by hatred of everything white, to know any of this.
Posted by at 9:36 PM on April 30
I’m a northern gal…but hey, this looks like a great statue to me….beats the hell out of some ugly statue of say…MLK or some black moron now doesn’t it????
Posted by lydia at 9:40 PM on April 30
I like the statue and I really like the fountains. Wish they were still used the way they were intended to be.
Posted by GetBackJack at 9:41 PM on April 30
As an American by birth, and a Southerner by the grace of God, this transplanted N.Y.er proudly flew the Confederate battle flag this past Saturday, 4/26, as Confederate Memorial Day is a legally recognized holiday here in Florida. So are the birthdays of Robt. E. Lee (1/19) and Jefferson Davis (6/3). Sacrifice for a cause is still a sacrifice, and should therefore be honored and remembered.
Posted by gemalo at 10:30 PM on April 30
It is a shame, but not surprising, that many people do not recognize or appreciate the sacrifice of Southern soliders. But, then, may do not understand or appreciate the sacrifice of modern day soliders.
Posted by Frank at 10:34 PM on April 30
How disgusting that someone would be so hateful, as to want to erase the memories of those young men who died so valiently in a truly unjust war. 800,000 Americans, more than every war combined. Yes Coby Williams, you especially should hang your head in shame.
Posted by The Old Sage at 12:15 AM on May 1
If they have to replace this statue, put up one of Audie Murphy. That Texan knew how to fight! There should be no controversy about this.
Posted by flyingtiger at 12:40 AM on May 1
I’ve been to Denton, Tx. There’s absolutely NOTHING to do there. UNT is the only thing going in that area and look what it spawned? A self-hating “White” who launches his own quest to destroy a part of his racial past. This is the garbage they “educate” at UNT. Texas has all but fallen to the Marxist Liberals who used to be quarantined in Austin.
Posted by P Norman at 12:44 AM on May 1
Every nation tries to perserve their past. I’ve seen this in Europe, where there are literally hundreds of thousands of mouments and symbols of the past. In the U.S. however, the history and symbols of this nation seem to mean little to nothing. Why is that.
I have read essays that claim it is because the American pragmatic philosophy is to not be entangled in the past so there is a continuing renewel,and looking forward to the future. Fine. But does this neccessitate the destruction of so much of Americana that I have seen happen in my travels through this great country? What purpose is served? To build another strip mall?
Posted by Bobby at 12:57 AM on May 1
will la raza want to level the alamo so texas can forget about that, too?
Coming soon. If we continue down the path we are going it won’t be ten years before the “hateful Alamo” must be ridiculed, chastised and ultimately destroyed as the awful reminder of bigotry and oppression that it is.
Posted by CEP at 1:44 AM on May 1
I remember when PBS first broadcast “The Civil War” by Ken Burns,and late in the series there was a photograph of a dead Confederate soldier taken after a battle. He was they guessed about 16, poorly dressed and…..barefoot. To belittle the sacrifice and memory of soldiers like the one in that photo is a travesty.
Posted by at 2:23 AM on May 1
“Leave the statues and memorials alone, all over the world. Li, Werner, Pierre, Brian, Masuhiro and Ivan are gone, but their agony should never be ignored or hidden away.”
These statues are monuments to the generations before us; it isn’t about ancestral worship; it’s more like recognition that we are what we are BECAUSE of what they’ve done.
They were the pathfinders for the current generation, and that’s enough to justify their existance.
Posted by at 8:27 AM on May 1
When a people, the Southern people, are forced by political correctness to sacrifice their own history, especially to satisfy the moronic prejudices of ignorant students or racist blacks, one can only conclude that Sherman’s march to the sea is still going on. It is bad enough that our children are lied to in public schools and told that the so-called Civil War was a high minded attempt by the North to eliminate the institution of slavery. It was no such thing. Remember the words of Stonewall Jackson as he addressed the troops of the first Virginia at the battle of First Manassas :
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechgodsandgenerals2.html
On another occasion at the beginning of what he rightly called “The Second War of American Independence”, in response to Lincoln’s raising of 75.000 troops to invade the cotton states, he stated:
“I myself see in this war, if the North triumph, a dissolution of the bonds of all society. It is not alone the destruction of our property (which both the nation and the States are bound to protect), but it is the prelude to anarchy, infidelity, and the ultimate loss of free responsible government on this continent.”
Jackson was right—-we no longer have responsible government on this continent.
We have instead, a massive, bloated central government which regulates under threat of force every aspect of our lives, spies on us, has suspended habeus corpus indefinitely, fights wars which are not declared by congress—-in other words we have a government which has successfully destroyed the founding document of this nation, the US Constitution. This was understood by Stonewall Jackson in 1860. It is quite understandable that such a government would like to erase all reminders of a time when the nation had a constitutional government and every symbol of the South during the war is such a reminder.
The first step in regaining our identity is to regain our past, a past that has been so distorted by the victors as to be unrecognizable.
Posted by at 9:43 AM on May 1
There is a group of women here in Arkansas who give a presentation about the atrocities that women and children suffered in Arkansas at the hands of Union soldiers. It’s quite moving hearing their tales. Rape was common as was pillaging. Men were shot in front of their families having committed no crime. One woman tells the tale of her mother’s feet being burned in a fire until they “give up the gold” that supposedly every Southerner had mountains of, and then her feet were burned too. What’s sad is that northern Arkansas was largely pro-Union and against secession at the outbreak of the War. Horace Greeley’s northern newspapers proliferated such lies (gold) prior to, and during, the Civil War.
If you would like to read more about the Constitutional right for secession (the Constitution was/is a COMPACT), read Jefferson Davis’ “The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government” 1881.
Posted by AlexinAR at 11:29 AM on May 1
Often, dictatorial regimes seek to erase all evidence - the history of the former regime. Lately, this practice has slowed down in places like Eastern Europe, where the people do not want to tear down the old communist period statues and buildings. Certainly, the Gothic sacking of Rome and other Roman cities was aimed at permanently tearing apart a system they hated. One may find headless status and Roman ruins all over Southern Europe. During the French Revolution, the Bolshsvik revolution and Nazi Germany the trend was to olbiterate any knowledge of the previous world, so as to make it impossible for it to every rise again. In each case, it was a rise of thoughtless barbarism that led to so much needless loss and destruction. The French Revolution certainly was a needless tragedy that eventually turned on itself, and actually acheived very little because by 1812 the Burbon King Louis XVlll was back on the throne. Today, almost every French citizen seems to act as if they are little kings and queens - in a social state!
Today, we see these “highly educated” students and their recent alumni voting increasingly and unknowingly socialist while aping the hateful radicals of the past in wishing to destroy all evidence of real history in favor of a current political trend.
I agree with the poster who asks where this would stop. Will Texas next be forced to tear down the Alamo? Must Civil War battlefields be plowed under and planted with corn for bio-fuel? Should museums be closed because they remind us of the past? Washington owned slaves - should the Washington Monument be torn down?
But the terrible fact is that as non-Americans replace Americans in the land, the monuments of our history will become more vulnerable to vandalism and more likely to be removed. It is lack of real education that includes an appreciation of history that is really causing this thinking. I have met countless whites over the past 40 years who tell me that they “hate” history. In the meantime, almost every city in the U.S. celebrates “Cinco de Mayo” while being fed nothing but a PC interpretation of American history.
Posted by Whiteplight at 1:30 PM on May 1
Some years ago at a New England university a handful of female communists protested a bronze statue that had adorned the school’s courtyard for over 125 years. The bronze statue depicted a Minuteman holding a musket.
The communist feminists complained that the statue was “sexist” because it depicted a male, was “racist” because it depicted a white male, and “it promoted violence” because it depicted him holding a musket. The equally communist college administration seized upon their fellow communist’s complaints and had the offending statue promptly moved to the school’s basement.
Once the word of this travesty got out the statue was quickly restored to its place of honor and not another word was spoken about it.
We have the same attempted communist “tyranny of two” at work in Denton. Surely there is at least one real American attending that school willing to lodge his own up close and personal counter-protest guaranteed to get the attention of this pair of traitors…
Posted by at 1:46 PM on May 1
“There is a group of women here in Arkansas who give a presentation about the atrocities that women and children suffered in Arkansas at the hands of Union soldiers. It’s quite moving hearing their tales.”AlexinAR
I’ve said this before: the War Between the States would have been over before it started without the magnificent support of Southern women during the desperate, bloody conflict. I think Gone with the Wind gives only a small idea of how women held the South together during and after the war. It was the women that keep the men going through the war and during the dark Reconstruction period.
Posted by Sardonicus at 3:07 PM on May 1
There are 4 military forts in America named after Confederate Generals, one of them being in Texas-Fort Hood. Why do you think we honor Confederate Generals? Because they are Americas heros.
Posted by Shultz at 3:17 PM on May 1
They will not stop until every last vestige of white culture is gone - every reminder that it is we, whites, who created the society to which they had to flee, because they were incapable of making it on their own. They will take away our art, our statues, our holidays, our street and building names, our literature - everything. WHen I was in elementary school, just 2 decades ago, we had a performance of Christmas carols. Can’t do that anymore - it would offend all the Buddhits and Hindus and Muslims and Jews who came to a Christian land VOLUNTARILY.
I read a comment on another blog the other day about the city of Salt Lake, a city historically almost entirely white, a city where minorities have made zero contribution to anything. Only 4 major streets in downtown SLC are named for people. Those names? Rosa Parks Avenue, Martin Luther King Blvd, Cesar Chavez Blvd and Adam Galvez Blvd (the last is a soldier who died in Iraq).
They will not stop until they have taken our entire country.
Posted by Alan at 3:59 PM on May 1
I would be very curious to know what percentage of Americans who really understand what the war of northern aggression was really about,or the propaganda term-civil war? That includes people on this site. Bush and Abe had something very much in common, they both thought nothing of the constitution they both swore to uphold.
Posted by Billy at 9:04 PM on May 1
As Howard in Las Vegas has written about Sandy Kolls, I would have to echo: “Is she single?” I certainly commend her on her view of the South. Some people recognize those in the right, no matter what their region of origin may be.
The battle lines are forming, but in the coming strife, it will not be as easy to recognize one’s enemies as it was during 1861-1865.
Deo Vindice.
Posted by BeenHereTooLong at 10:50 PM on May 1
I called the Texas Historical Commission:
The monument cannot be moved or altered because the monument is protected several different ways:
1)The State if Texas has a “Texas Historical County Protection Easement” which included the statue.
2)The statue falls under the classification of “State Archeological Landmark”.
3)The statue is recorded as a “Texas Landmark”.
4)The Statue is protected under Texas Protection Act, Chapter 442 Sec. 008
If for some reason the statue was to me moved or replaced the State of Texas was levy a fine of $1000.00 per day.
This information came directly from Austin.
Posted by Michael Hays at 11:07 PM on May 1
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Posted by Michael Hays at 11:08 PM on May 1
One of my older friends once told me about a Vietcong who fought for three more days after being disembowelled. He had a dinner plate strapped across his ruined stomache, just to keep things that belonged inside him from falling out.
German soldiers used to endure Russian artillery bombardments that bordered on the insane in 1944-45.
Scottish soldiers during World War One were usually used for major attacks by the British Army. They were just better at it. The English were better at defense.
Japanese sailors, like my wife’s great-grandfather might have bee a little bit better than us.
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 8:02 PM on May 2
I remember when PBS first broadcast “The Civil War” by Ken Burns,and late in the series there was a photograph of a dead Confederate soldier taken after a battle. He was they guessed about 16, poorly dressed and…..barefoot. To belittle the sacrifice and memory of soldiers like the one in that photo is a travesty.
Ken Burns is an idiot. I don’t know who watches his race-obsessed garbage. Probably guilty white liberals. We all know that blacks and Hispanics don’t watch high-brow stuff like PBS.
Posted by qwerty at 12:00 AM on May 3
Can’t do that anymore - it would offend all the Buddhits and Hindus and Muslims and Jews who came to a Christian land VOLUNTARILY.
Most of the people claiming to be offended aren’t Buddhists, Hindus or Muslims, in case ya didn’t notice.
Posted by qwerty at 12:02 AM on May 3
I rather liked Burns’ PBS series, Qwerty. He made the point about Civil War One being a horrible national tragedy rather well. The little guys aways get to pick up the bill, and he did a pretty good job focussing on them.
All eight of my great-great-grandfathers fought, four for the USSA and four for the CSA. Their pain helped nobody.
If I was designing a statue like this, I’d make the guy look tired.
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 10:18 PM on May 3
I took some classes at UNT in Denton in the 90’s and the students teachers were very liberal. The student body was majority white, spoiled sububan kids. I went there a few months ago to look into taking classes and, like many other universities in Texas, there were alot of mexicans and blacks.
Posted by at 10:19 AM on May 4
God bless the Blue and the Gray . The supreme tragedy , we mis-identified each other as the enemy while the real enemy nurtured himself quietly on the hallowed remains of our brave dead and now he threatens to consume the whole nation with his idiot logic and may one day rule the whole planet . God help us , please .
Posted by at 3:54 PM on May 5
“what’s next? will la raza want to level the alamo so texas can forget about that, too?
Posted by crow at 7:45 PM on April 30”
Don’t worry. That will come too when the Hispanic population had reached a critical mass.
Posted by SandyCSA at 8:48 PM on May 13