Baca: Gang Hate Crimes
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LA County Sheriff Lee Baca, on April 4th, told a largely African-American audience in Compton that when Latino gangs are at war with black gangs over drugs and turf they are sometimes satisfied to kill any young black living in their rival’s territory in order to flex their criminal muscle. In other words, Baca asserted innocents are being targeted for death by gangs just because of their race. Sounds like a hate-crime to most of us.
Fox 11 News obtained a videotape of the remarks Baca made to the National Association for Equal Justice in America; those remarks, taped by Lonzo Williams, a cable TV talk-show host, were included in a Fox 11 story that aired Friday (April 10) as part of our continuing coverage of the murder of Jamiel Shaw, a promising LA High School football player, allegedly killed by an 18th Street gang member on March 2.
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Here is exactly what Baca told the African-American audience in Compton: “I don’t say it’s all but there is a percent of these Latino kids killing blacks because of a race-related motivation. That is my opinion.”
Pretty explosive stuff. And then Baca went a step further, claiming his deputies had overheard jailed Latino gang bosses (so-called “shot-callers”) telling their followers on the outside that, in a feud with a black gang, it was okay to kill any blacks to make their point. “We’ve heard when the person out there can’t find African-American gang member to shoot, the shot-caller says: ‘Then shoot any African-American you see.’” (Jamiel Shaw’s father was in the audience that day and Baca looked him straight in the eye when he made these remarks; but the sheriff did NOT specifically say if he believed Shaw’s murder was racially-motivated).
Baca’s observations put him at odds with LAPD chief Bill Bratton.
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In February 2007, Fox 11 News did a story about a series of black-on-Latino, Latino-on-black murders along Central Avenue in the LAPD’s Newton Division. The killings had to do with a war between an African-American gang, the Rollin’ 30’s (and their Rollin’ 20’s allies), and the East Side Treces, a Latino gang. Some of those killed were recognized gang members but others were innocents—NOT killed by stray bullets but essentially executed. The brutal murder of three young Latinos, including a 10-year-old, on 49rd Street on June 30, 2006 was a landmark event in this savagery. (Almost a year later several Rollin’ 30’s members were arrested for these murders).
What was the point of blacks murdering these young Latinos? Had the interracial gang warfare reached such a debased point of tribalism that killing anyone of the rival race was okay? That was the question we asked….
Bratton’s reply to Fox 11’s questions started out at one end of the spectrum and, over time, moved toward the other end. On Feb. 7, 2007, Bratton told me the following about the Central Avenue killings: “There are several incidents that we feel in that area were the direct result of targeting because of race (my emphasis). There’s been speculation about other incidents—and that has not been the case, proven to be the case.”
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A month after Nelly’s murder, on April 4, 2007, Bratton and Mayor Villaraigosa held a news conference to proudly trumpet a 12 percent city-wide decline in gang-related crime.
But when I reminded the pair gang crime was up 20.5 percent in Newton Division (the precinct that includes the Central Avenue area beleaguered by the Rollin’ 30’s-East Side Treces feud), their mood turned sour. Bratton acknowledged that “certain areas of the city are struggling. Newton is one of those.” However, he snapped: “Are we engaged in a race war down there? Certainly not.” (In fact, this statement badly misrepresented our story—which simply suggested some of the victims might have been killed not because of their gang affiliation but because of their race).
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(Posted on April 17, 2008)
Comments
And what is Sheriff Baca’s position on Los Angeles Special Order 40 and sanctuary cities in general? Also, I find it interesting that gang hate only becomes a politically correct cause when a black teenager is murdered. If the victims are white, then no media circus.
Posted by Question Diversity at 6:40 PM on April 17
I feel sorry for that black kid’s father sitting in the room and having that punk say that.
Posted by at 7:07 PM on April 17
Most Mexicans (and Middle Easterners and East Asians) consider blacks as little better than animals. As the USA becomes majority Mexican, blacks will have a tough time. But this may not be due to prejudice as most liberals and blacks want to make one believe but a rightful reaction to black behaviour and black racism.
Posted by Jasper at 7:46 PM on April 17
By the time the Mexicans get done with them, the blacks are going to be begging for us to come back. I almost feel sorry for them.
Posted by qwerty at 8:00 PM on April 17
“We’ve heard when the person out there can’t find African-American gang member to shoot, the shot-caller says: ‘Then shoot any African-American you see.’”
LOL. Do you think a Hispanic gang boss is going to use a politically correct term like African-American? There’s something fishy about it.
Posted by at 8:18 PM on April 17
The standard form issued by the FBI to local police agencies for reporting hate crimes doesn’t even have a category for hispanics to be perpetrators of hate crimes. When an hispanic commits a hate crime, it gets reported as a white person doing it. Great way to balance out the crime stats, huh?
Posted by AvgDude at 8:55 PM on April 17
Twenty years ago a White co-worker told me that when he was in high school he went to a mostly black school and it was a common occurence for the White students to get beat up by the blacks. Apparently the Hispanics are not tolerating black violence and unlike Whites are fighting back tit for tat.
I call it poetic justice.
Posted by at 12:59 AM on April 18
At least Sheriff Baca is honest. He has put his finger, on the souless corruption that Chief Bratton and his boss Villaraigossa demonstrate, when they sacrifice innocent people to protect illegal alien gang members.
Posted by Bobby at 1:14 AM on April 18
It is time to throw out the whole lie of “hate crimes”. Conservatives should not use this term as it gives credence to the communist inspired PC thought crime concept. If you kill someone and plan to do it in advance then it is a premeditated murder. We have laws on the books for this we just need leaders, judges and police willing to enforce the rules of a civilized society.
What we are seeing in LA is racial cleansing. Racial cleansing is a form of low intensity conflict or asymmetrical warfare. Unfortunately most people don’t recognize that they are being attacked unless they see incoming tanks, planes and missiles. This is a tragic misconception that is allowing mostly Mexican hispanics to gain control of large areas of the United States. Compare this current urban warfare with the tactics of the Viet Cong in the villages of Vietnam. They use elections where possible to seize control of key government positions to set conditions more favorable for the “reconquista”. Rape, robbery, murder and other forms of racial aggression drive out other races so that by the time the enemy nation (THE UNITED STATES) realizes what is going on their are no more Americans left in the contested areas to “save”. Hence the flight of white Americans from the entire state of California. Meanwhile the highest elected officials in the land pretend their is no problem and scheme to betray our nation to the interests of the globalist elite.
Posted by at 1:27 PM on April 18
Sadly the sections in LA and the cities in LA County where this is occurring used to be safe, nice, predominantly white neighborhoods in my grandfather’s generation. Cities like Southgate, for example, went from 99% caucasion to 0.78% caucasion today. Instead of being flush like they used to be, today they have serious deficit problems and a history of corruption issues as you can imagine.
Posted by Unemployed WASP at 3:09 PM on April 18
The West Side Rolling Sixties (Crips) committed a series of anti-Asian crimes here in Colorado Springs a decade ago.
They gunned down a pair of half-Korean kids just because they looked Asian. The two victims were on their way from one’s house, where they had been playing video games, to the other’s, where they were going to eat dinner. Both boys died in this unprovoked shooting
They tried to kidnap and rape a young Korean woman, who was able to struggle her way free and escape.
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 3:09 PM on April 18
I think it likely that Black and Mexican gangs avoid Orientals as a rule. They have their own gangs, which are much smarter and lower profile than the stupid thugs that dress to advertise their criminal allegiance. And we know that the Orientals have a strong racial consciousness, they are not foolish enough to imagine that attacks by Blacks or Mexicans are incidental. Many of them have guns, good ones, and they practice. I would put money on four armed Chinese over eight armed Mexicans or twelve armed Blacks.
Posted by Schoolteacher at 1:28 AM on April 19
Most Mexicans (and Middle Easterners and East Asians) consider blacks as little better than animals. As the USA becomes majority Mexican, blacks will have a tough time. But this may not be due to prejudice as most liberals and blacks want to make one believe but a rightful reaction to black behaviour and black racism.
Posted by Jasper at 7:46 PM on April 17
Absolutely Jasper. I think that Blacks are in for it and that this will hold whether Obama is President or not. We should also not overlook the strong possibility (I don’t say likelihood, not yet) that certain Whites will erupt out of sheer frustration and basic self-defense. Not a few are simply fed up; and this is true the lower one goes on the socio-economic ladder where Whites have experience with Blacks and other non-Whites that rich Whites don’t have at all.
None of the tolerance that Whites have extended toward Blacks, which they don’t get any credit for of course, will be extended toward them by other groups of Non-Whites, especially the Mexicans and other Latinos, like the MS-13.
But Blacks are a broken record and simply can not stop complaining about and to Whites with the expectation that their psychopathic behavior will be indulged. When the non-White attack on Blacks really gets under way ( within the next 5 years) most Whites will simply take one step back and not say a word.
Posted by Salty Dog at 2:36 AM on April 19
If I have this figured out, the orders are “If you can’t find an enemy gang member, just kill some random black kid.”
That’s the same sort of thinking that had USSR propagandist Ilya Ehrenburg exhorting Soviet soldiers to rape some two million German women and girls in 1945, and these assaults forever ensured the failure of communism in Eastern Europe.
The Mexican gang members I knew in federal prison were always fair with me, but their fanatical hatred of all blacks was quite obvious.
While on an intellectual level I can understand this, on a personal level, it just doesn’t click for me. My own encounters with other races were college in California, where the Asians were just regular students, working in the microelectronics industry, where the Japanese and their spouses were just ordinary people, work in Japan, where folks were so nice to me it was actually embarrassing, federal prison, where nobody mistreated me, and my marriage to my wife and fathering a daughter with her.
The only context I can put this LA stuff into is war, but it isn’t the sort of war where one side will eventually understand it is losing and quit the field. In a war, you shuck on a uniform and shoot at guys who have different uniforms and helmets, and there’s no hate involved. You don’t paste random civilians just because there are no hostile soldiers in the AO.
My mother doesn’t understand how the men from countries that used to be such ardent foes - German and France, or Germany and Russia can get along so well. The reason is simple. Pierre and Hans and Ivan don’t hate each other. Their governments disagreed, and things had to be settled, but war is like prison: a bunch of guys wishing they were home.
Race creates problems in war, just like prison. US soldiers in Europe during World War Two were fighting guys who looked like themselves, guys they’d have gone fishing with, and would have had no problems dating their sisters. The Pacific War was completely different, as race was involved. Neither side believed the other was human.
I suspect neither the gang vatos or the gang homies believe any non co-ethnics are human. The calculated degredation Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome were treated with speaks volumes about this. Their attackers wanted to hurt them as much as they could.
The worst thing that happened to me in three years of prison was one black inmate chiding another for “talking with that cracker.” It was the first time I had heard the word “cracker.” At first I thought they suspected me of being a snitch or something, so I had to ask what a “cracker” was. Decency sometimes wins out, even in the darkest places, so I must ask, When a ganger has finished getting drunk or stoned or robbing folks, why would he shoot another human being just for giggles and grins? I’ve been accused of many things, but I wouldn’t do that.
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 3:11 PM on April 19
A poster said that it was unlikely that jailed Hispanic gang leaders would use the term “African-American”. I agree. I think they used the N-word- and it’s not “negrito.”
The Crips and Bloods are finally getting theeir comeuppance. Years ago, when them Crips be fightin’ dem Bloods, blacks were silent, instead calling for more gun control or spending in black neighborhoods, when they weren’t denonuncing racist whiteys.
Now that the Mexican mafia be shootin’ up blacks, dem blacks be screaming like Howlin’Wolf or Willie Dixon at a jam session.
Posted by Soprano Fan at 5:44 PM on April 19
Race creates problems in war, just like prison. US soldiers in Europe during World War Two were fighting guys who looked like themselves, guys they’d have gone fishing with, and would have had no problems dating their sisters. The Pacific War was completely different, as race was involved. Neither side believed the other was human.
A poll taken during WW2 indicated that only 4% of American recruits “really wanted to kill a German”, but 35% “really wanted to kill a Japanese”.
Posted by Brendan at 8:04 PM on April 19
Race creates problems in war, just like prison. US soldiers in Europe during World War Two were fighting guys who looked like themselves, guys they’d have gone fishing with, and would have had no problems dating their sisters. The Pacific War was completely different, as race was involved. Neither side believed the other was human.
A poll taken during WW2 indicated that only 4% of American recruits “really wanted to kill a German”, but 35% “really wanted to kill a Japanese”.
Posted by Brendan at 8:04 PM on April 19
The revers is also true. The German treated their American and other European POW much better than the Japanese did. Even the poor treatment of Russian POW by Germans was much better than what we got at the hands of the Japanese.
What I don’t understand, is why we never held the Japanese accountable for their war crimes the way we did the Germans.
Posted by Southern Hoosier at 10:01 AM on April 20
Aah I can’t wait to watch the battle. Right now in Mississippi, and over in New Orleans, blacks are robbing and attacking Mexicans, because they know they have money. I don’t hate to say it at all, I’m glad the Mexicans are here. They are just a better class of people than the blacks. First and foremost the Mexicans aren’t screaming about how the whites owe them. They are willing to work for their living. I think the possibility of Whites and Mexicans coexisting with each other is a lot more probable than blacks and Whites coexisting, which has been proven time and time again does not work. I’m a White American, and in my opinion, Mexicans are willing to work for what blacks think are owed to them. Most Mexicans also hold the majority of the same values that Whites does.
Posted by at 8:47 PM on April 20
In their 1904-05 war, Japanese treated their Russian captives with all the honor they could give them. Many of them begged not to be sent back to Russia.
Japan sided with Britain during WW-1, and took German-held Tsingtao. The Germans who surrendered were put up in a hotel in Tokyo. Most of them never left Japan.
My wife’s great-grandfather sank a US aircraft carrier in 1944. He was one of the first to do it that way. He thought he was probably saving his family.
We did hold the surviving Japanese accountable. The problem was most of their units took 100% casualties. Who gets tried after that? Some sargeant who gets around to surrendering in 1974?
The largest ships sunk during World War One with no survivors were the British Good Hope and Monmouth, the German Scharnhorst, HMS Defense and HMS Black Prince - and Black Prince was burning like a stove, with two collapsed funnels and flame pouring out all her scuttles - SMS Pommern, blown in half, the French Suffren and the Russian Pallada.
Lots of Japanese ships had no survivors during World War Two. When Fuso blew in half at Surigao, a US cruiser had to sink her bow section.
Fuso was ugly, but she sure could shoot.
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 10:54 PM on April 20
Southern Hoosier at 10:01 AM: I’m guessing here, but I’d bet that the Germans kept better records of who was where and when what happened, which we could use to track them down after the war. And also, we killed most of the Japanese we fought, and the Soviets killed most of the Japanese they captured in China, so probably most of the war criminals were dead. We executed some Japanese generals, but I don’t think that the individual head choppers were even identified.
Posted by Schoolteacher at 3:26 AM on April 21
LA County Sheriff Baca: Gang Hate Crimes, John_Schwanda’s Newsroom; 20 comments
Hispanic gang bosses: “Shoot any African-American you see.”
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Come now, Sheriff Baca! I doubt those were exact the words they used.
Posted by voter at 12:42 AM on April 26