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http://www.amren.com/ar/2006/09/index.html
There, we learn about the concept of “limited separation.” Thanks to this revelation, we now know that Martin Luther King was an advocate of “limited separation.” In other words, they want what white people have, and want to be able to integrate with white society, and make it illegal for whites to have anything on their own and for themselves alone, but they want to be able to have their own legal enclaves as an option. Of course, white governments would have to pay for these “separate states,” (especially their health, welfare and education), and would be responsible for these states’ predictable failures, though the blacks that govern them would get to take credit for the fleeting successes.
It’s surprising, but not shocking. After making a career and a reputation out of lobbying white governments and people to embrace diversity, equality, integration and civil rights, his ultimate goal was black separatism. Of course, it wouldn’t have been a genuinely separate state.
Posted by Question Diversity at 6:05 PM on March 25
}}}}…King was going to propose a separate state for blacks so they could eventually achieve economic parity that he believed wouldn’t happen on its own in America.{{{{
Such a “separate state” would be a fine idea if it were on the continent of Africa and if it were free of Western support. a
Posted by at 6:07 PM on March 25
Dr. King was going to propose a separate state for blacks so they could eventually achieve economic parity that he believed wouldn’t happen on its own in America.
“It nearly scared me to death,” Mr. Watkins wrote of the idea.
I now have a new respect for MLK.Please do not tell Bono of U2 he wrote a song by the title MLK.This might upset the him that Dr. King might have such common sense. But of course MLK would be wrong.Any large city with a majority black population is always very poor.
Posted by Tony Soprano at 6:11 PM on March 25
Oh please spare me….MLK should have been silenced from the begining…not out and out killed but stopped in his tracks….this country is in the fix it is in now starting when Lincoln freed the slaves and failed to send them packing back to the africa they came from…then along came MLK with his big mouth and trouble making…and it hasn’t ended and never will!!
Posted by lydia at 6:19 PM on March 25
40 years and 4 Trillion dollars later and Blacks are still poor. Maybe its time for them to move and try their luck somewhere else like North Korea or Cuba.
Posted by the Soviet Republic of New Jersey at 6:26 PM on March 25
A separate state wouldn’t work. There would be murders and robbery 24 hours a day.
Posted by at 6:27 PM on March 25
“But after 40 years of secrecy, and initially saying he would probably take it to his grave, he revealed what it was: Dr. King was going to propose a separate state for blacks so they could eventually achieve economic parity that he believed wouldn’t happen on its own in America.
“It nearly scared me to death,” Mr. Watkins wrote of the idea.”
It should have scared him. There are examples all over the world of what happens when blacks are left on their own, and every situation amounts to an unmitigated disaster.
An example of what their area would look like would be Haiti.
But still blacks would be better off competing among themselves. They would still make a mess of everything, but if they were confined to a predesignated area food packages could be parachuted in from time to time in between riots and mass murders. At least they wouldn’t be infecting white areas with their crime and violence and disrupting our schools with the same.
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Posted by Robert Kelly at 6:29 PM on March 25
“But after 40 years of secrecy, and initially saying he would probably take it to his grave, he revealed what it was: Dr. King was going to propose a separate state for blacks so they could eventually achieve economic parity that he believed wouldn’t happen on its own in America.
“It nearly scared me to death,” Mr. Watkins wrote of the idea.”
It should have scared him. There are examples all over the world of what happens when blacks are left on their own, and every situation amounts to an unmitigated disaster.
An example of what their area would look like would be Haiti.
But still blacks would be better off competing among themselves. They would still make a mess of everything, but if they were confined to a predesignated area food packages could be parachuted in from time to time in between riots and mass murders. At least they wouldn’t be infecting white areas with their crime and violence and disrupting our schools with the same.
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Posted by Robert Kelly at 6:33 PM on March 25
They’ve always had a separate state. They always will, wherever they go. They can choose to stay in the area’s they’ve taken, or live and work outside when it’s to their advantage.
Posted by Dr. Smith at 7:14 PM on March 25
“Dr. King was going to propose a separate state for blacks so they could eventually achieve economic parity that he believed wouldn’t happen on its own in America.”
It’s called “Africa” and it’s not just a state it’s a whole continent. If the blacks want their own place all to themselves they can go home to Africa! But we whites are not going to “give” them part of OUR country. Screw that.
Posted by Reality at 7:20 PM on March 25
A seperate state for blacks?! You mean,seperate,as in their own country,living away from us,all by themselves?? We-he-he-hell sir,I promise you on the next Martin Luther King day,I will be raising a glas to the poor devil! What a tragedy his loss was!!
Posted by joshrandall at 7:26 PM on March 25
“…Dr. King was going to propose a separate state for blacks so they could eventually achieve economic parity …”
I guess all the white folks would have been crowded into an Iowa cornfield while blacks took over the wealth-producing infrastructure. Wonder how it would have looked 20 years later?
Posted by at 8:18 PM on March 25
This is a monumental claim which will be completely ignored by the media.
Posted by William Hendershot at 8:22 PM on March 25
the only dark time I know is all the people in jail, projects and on welfare
Posted by resent at 8:45 PM on March 25
I am sorry that MLK was cut off in life before he could germinate his plan. Heck, the country already existed (Liberia), all he needed was a lot of boat tickets. I would have given him my milk money for a year!
Posted by Whiteplight at 8:58 PM on March 25
““the world’s greatest purveyor of violence.” “
The folks that wanted America to surrender to the 1960s Marxist-Leninists are the same ones that pushed for gun control, ending in their greatest victory, the Gun Control Act of 1968. Forty years ago, Americans could purchase AR-15s and Heckler & Koch G-3 clones through the mails, and we could buy handguns like Colt 1911s and S&W Model 29s through common carriers.
Now that the Marxists are fully in control of states like Kalifornia, guns must be APPROVED by the state before being allowed for sale.
What MLK wanted was the peace of the Dead for the West.
Posted by at 9:31 PM on March 25
“Dr. King was going to propose a separate state for blacks …”
Still sounds like a terrific idea.
Posted by Cliff Yablonski at 9:53 PM on March 25
Dr. King was going to propose a separate state for blacks
I would have donated money to the Martin Luther King statue they’re building in Washington DC if he’d managed to set up a separate state for blacks. Heck - I would have lobbied to change Black History Month into MLK Month!!
It would be well worth sectioning off 1/50th of our country to avoid all the turmoil of white flight, integrated schools, affirmative action and black criminals preying on whites all over America. I HAVE A DREAM…
Posted by Jill at 10:03 PM on March 25
It was a rendezvous with prostitutes that determined MLK’s itinerary.
What’s up with “the darkest moments in this country’s history”? It was a bright sunny day compared to the day Lincoln was shot. Not because Lincoln was such a good president, but because he had a workable plan to end racism in America, and his death prevented him from carrying it out.
Posted by at 10:05 PM on March 25
“Dr. King was going to propose a separate state for blacks so they could eventually achieve economic parity that he believed wouldn’t happen on its own in America.”
There are several dozen nations (many vast and full of resources) that blacks have all to themselves: And it is in precisely in these all-black black-run nations where blacks live in the most abject poverty. And guess where blacks enjoy the greatest economic prosperity, well above most whites in this world: Why, non other than “racist” America!
Posted by at 10:31 PM on March 25
I guess all the white folks would have been crowded into an Iowa cornfield while blacks took over the wealth-producing infrastructure. Wonder how it would have looked 20 years later?
I’d say that Iowa cornfield would have contained a lot of wealth-producing infrastructure. It’s too bad this did not come to pass - MLK would have at least then deserved a national holiday.
Posted by Doppelgangbanger at 10:55 PM on March 25
Any bets on whether this fact will feature in any of the million or so invocations of “The Vision Of Dr. Martin Luther King” we’ll be treated to next MLK day?
Posted by Cassiodorus at 11:09 PM on March 25
“Dr. King had spoken out … calling the United States the world’s greatest purveyor of violence.”
On that count he was right on the money.
Since he was killed 40 years ago, “his people” have certainly taken the lead in making us exactly what he labelled us. I guess it’s King’s gift that keeps on giving.
Take Africans out of America and the crime rate is laughably miniscule.
Posted by Annoyed In Illinois at 11:21 PM on March 25
As long as the separate state was completely detached from the USA in every way and also situated in Africa, good for MLK. To have it still as part of the USA would meant a financial ball and chain for the other States for decades, even centuries.
But wait, what MLK proposed was the basis of South Africa’s Apartheid. So why the hypocrisy? And the then SA govt. also proposed financial and logistic help for the several black States or homelands as they were called. They knew and understood the African blacks who now have it all and are steadily destroying it.
As in Zimbabwe, the West has been conned again.
Posted by Brian Deller at 11:43 PM on March 25
A separate state for blacks? It would be great for Whites. It would be a disaster for blacks though. Why King would think this would enrich blacks is beyond me. Look at Haiti. Look at Jamaica. Look at ANY sub-Saharan African country. Still I would be all for the idea. Cede a certain amount of national territory to blacks and let them settle there and be done with them.
Posted by at 7:26 AM on March 26
Blacks spend too much time and effort mouthing support and demanding integration and equality to say what they really believe in their heart and soul; that they’d be happier not being around whites.
I read the black press and I listen to black radio. Blacks pine for the days when they had their own neighborhoods and their own schools and their own sense of community, all of which they lost with integration.
For blacks to say that they support ‘separate but equal’ would be to say that Martin Luther King JR and the ‘civil rights’ movement was wrong. Although I hear that sentiment in their words, few blacks are willing to admit that their leaders of the past were wrong and that their choices in supporting such people and ideals excaserbated their own pathology.
Posted by sbuffalonative at 8:09 AM on March 26
I counted fifteen “Dr. King”s in just the extract of that article. Fifteen! What other person with a Ph.D. is so obsessively referred to as Dr. So-and-so? It’s as if blacks are desperate for you to know that there is at least one black person who has a Ph.D. Or that the Ph.D. confers some kind of powerful white man’s juju on one of their own.
Of course, the degree is fraudulent, as King’s dissertation relied heavily on plaigarism.
More proof that “Dr. King” is treated as some kind of unassailable figure in this country - almost a demigod.
Posted by CSinAL at 9:54 AM on March 26
Instead of one black state, blacks have taken over numerous enclaves throughout the country. We call them “cities.” Most of our major cities, and many of the minor ones, are black majority, with a corrupt and failing black government, failing schools, total dependence on federal aid, and increasing resemblance to Harare.
Posted by Old Soldier at 10:12 AM on March 26
Most places they have, without knowing it, achieved this dream. Most cities have two types of commercial areas: majority white, where blacks are frequently found shopping albeit in small numbers - and majority black establishments that rarely see a white face. Likewise many cities feature majority white neighborhoods and all black neighborhoods. While the white practice of simply banning blacks from some areas or organizations has been found illegal, the black practice of defacto segregation is never challenged. It is maintained by a combination of intimidation, violence, rudeness, anger and crime. All of this has increased at the same time that forced integration of white establishments has become nearly 100% defacto accomplishment the integration of black enclaves has gone down. The city I live in has many black churches, black bars, black laundrymats, even small black stores that I’m quite sure no whites go into for a year running, excpet perhaps for police of meter readers. It may be that there are alos businesses that blacks don’t go into - but that is just a coincidence due to their relatively small numbers. Were they to wake up and decide to go to a coffee shop in the middle of the whitest area of the city they would be welcome and served the same as anyone else.
By contrast a white person going into a ‘black-only’ establishmnet is likely to have comments made, or be treated to rude stares, bad or no service and outright hostility.
Obama’s Church was a great example of this. A defacto all Black church. A church that no normal white person (one who wasn’t out to prove a point) could possibly feel comfortable in, given the quality and content of the preaching. Meanwhile across town I’m sure the big Presbyterian, Catholic and Methodist churches that are full of whites also have a small number of black members.
Just another aspect of the double standard as practiced in America.
Posted by Zane at 10:35 AM on March 26
Yes the “Dr. King” thing is funny. The only white person I can think of who so overused the “Dr.” title was Hunter Thompson. Of course his use was tongue in cheek, and he admitted in print that his “doctors degree” came from the mail order mill The Universal Life Church. Thompson whatever else his faults, certainly wrote all of his own books and will certainly go down as a completely original voice in American letters.
I work with dozens of (real) PhDs. and none of them use the title Dr.
Posted by Zane at 10:50 AM on March 26
I never heard this story before. If it be true, one wonders if it might be the result of the lingering influence of the proposal for a separate Nego state of the Black Belt made by the Communist Party USA in the 1930s. On the other hand, how serious was King about this idea, even if he suggested it? And it was in secret? Were he serious, he would have had the adulation of the Black Muslems and the Black Power movement, which by the late 1960s had supplaned the civil rights movement.
Blacks do not have a separate state, but they do dominate many cities in the US. One can judge if this has brought equality or prosperity to the citizens of those cities. For example, Mayor Nagin provided the leadership so that “chocloate city” New Orleans could sink beneath a flood of broken levees and broken dreams.
I think King was right in denouncing the Vietnam war. But that does not justify the thousands of murders occurring each year in the US, often in the cities dominated my liberals.——————————————HM
Posted by at 10:59 AM on March 26
What if you believed deeply that you’d had the opportunity to prevent one of the darkest moments in this country’s history but failed to grab it?…whether it haunts you wouldn’t be in doubt; the question is, how much?…
HOW MUCH is right!…HOW MUCH is the COST of his new book CAPITALIZING on his “friend’s” death!
The emotions are still raw for John Watkins 40 years after the death of his civil rights mentor…
Not so “raw” to prevent him from writing a book and earning money off the death of his “mentor”!
Calling the United States “the world’s greatest purveyor of violence.” … Dr. King was going to propose a separate state for blacks so they could eventually achieve economic parity that he believed wouldn’t happen on its own in America….
A COMMUNIST SYMPATHIZER…an ADULTERER…a PLAGARIST…a SEPARATIST…ANTI-AMERICAN sentiments…THIS is what we “honor” every year?…although…a SEPARATE state for BLACKS sounds good to me!…but why stop there…a SEPARATE country sounds even better…but, let them SUPPORT themselves without the benefit of MY tax dollars!
Posted by Suzan Donoghue at 12:05 PM on March 26
Ok, he waits 40 year, why now? Did he want to make sure there was nobody left to dispute what he now says? Do we have just his word for what King was suppose to have said? Has his timing anything to do with Obama running for president?
I can’t wait for the flood of books to come out by people claiming; “if only I’d …” King would be alive today.
Yeah I wish King hadn’t of gotten killed. I wish he had lived so he and the entire civil rights movement could have been discredited. When King was killed, he became a scared cow that no one could criticize.
If King had not been killed, Jesse Jackson would still be spitting in people soup instead of being a millionaire.
Posted by Drifter at 12:29 PM on March 26
“Dr. King was going to propose a separate state for blacks… “
This is an excellent idea and I support it 100 per cent. The blacks should have been given an amount of the USA in proportion to their population. Then whites would have had the right to keep the blacks out of our schools, government, daily lives, etc. So what if the blacks would have ended up in a poverty riddled mess. It would be their own mess from top to bottom.
The greatest threat to our white existence is miscegenation, and the blacks are doing a fine job at this today, because of the unlimited race-mixing that our institutions allowed and now promote.
The only way to allow us to live separately is to give the “minorities” some land of their own, then rigorously enforce the laws protecting us - from incursions by them.
Good fences make good neighbors.
Posted by WesternMan at 1:50 PM on March 26
“Or that the Ph.D. confers some kind of powerful white man’s juju on one of their own.”
This is the correct summation. I was listening to WLS-AM’s Jerry Agar show and some Black woman called in saying that although she had an MBA, she could see Whitey getting promoted past her right and left. She said that this ws the fault of Whitey’s prejudices and that Blacks had to “work twice as hard” to get noticed.
In this case, the MBA was supposed to have conferred upon her the magical quality of “competence,” enough to get promoted.
I guess she had never heard of the “Peter Principle” and that she had apparently risen to her level of incompetence, and that everyone else but her recognized this.
Posted by at 2:41 PM on March 26
Hey, does this bring any amazement to any? I am just blown away! I have never heard this in my life and I claim to have read and studied a good bit but this is the first of this info I have ever heard. I believe most white people would be amazed at never hearing this before!
Where can I get more info on this and the source of this man named John Watkins? Here I am from Georgia and never heard this before. This has been hidden from many. If only others could hear this!
However, I assume too much as this bit of info would never be made known in the liberal news, as it would be stopped or somehow completely denied.
Posted by Thank God I'm White! at 2:49 PM on March 26
“I read the black press and I listen to black radio. Blacks pine for the days when they had their own neighborhoods and their own schools and their own sense of community, all of which they lost with integration.”
Are on something? Blacks have their own neighborhoods and schools, all to themselves from Detroit to New York to Birmingham, etc. The so called integrated neighborhoods are places where Whites live until they can unload their house and move.
Posted by at 4:38 PM on March 26
By 1967, de-colonizing was almost complete in Africa. So blacks had many countries of their own. MLK’s plan to take some of OUR land betrays a desire to thieve.
Posted by PBL at 5:37 PM on March 26
So MLK thought the solution to black economic failure would be to give blacks their own state?
In South Africa, they’ve been given a whole country! A developed, first world country. Which, under their control, is now disintegrating.
“Black Economic Empowerment” means 1/2 of all businesses and executive positions in SA are GIVEN to blacks (who are incompetent to run them.)
The result? Eskom, the power company, has been so egregiously mismanaged since the end of apartheid that it’s now to the point of choosing electricity for the cities or electricity for the precious metals mines (one of the foundations of SA’s economy.)
Since the mines can’t mine (can’t send people thousands of feet belowground if you can’t be sure of power to get them back out) the gold and especially platinum prices have skyrocketed worldwide. (Platinum up 25% since late January.)
Posted by at 6:11 PM on March 26
So MLK thought the solution to black economic failure would be to give blacks their own state?
In South Africa, they’ve been given a whole country! A developed, first world country. Which, under their control, is now disintegrating.
“Black Economic Empowerment” means 1/2 of all businesses and executive positions in SA are GIVEN to blacks (who are incompetent to run them.)
The result? Eskom, the power company, has been so egregiously mismanaged since the end of apartheid that it’s now to the point of choosing electricity for the cities or electricity for the precious metals mines (one of the foundations of SA’s economy.)
Since the mines can’t mine (can’t send people thousands of feet belowground if you can’t be sure of power to get them back out) the gold and especially platinum prices have skyrocketed worldwide. (Platinum up 25% since late January.)
Posted by at 6:11 PM on March 26
A long time ago, I read an article about Louis Farrakhan wanting land for blacks only. His proposal was to take four adjoining states, make it a small country, have the United States fully fund and support it for the first fifty years. The blacks that didn’t want to go could remain with all affirmative actions, set aside qoutas and all the other free handouts unabated.
Further, blacks could come and go as they pleased but whites would be strictly forbidden to enter the new country.
The more I learn about King, the more hypocritical he seems to have been.
Posted by at 6:30 PM on March 26
““It nearly scared me to death,” Mr. Watkins wrote of the idea.”
I’m sure it would scare alot of blacks to be weaned off the White welfare machine and then left to their own devices. Separation is the only logical thing to do. I would even support reparations if it would lead to a separate black homeland for these people. You couldn’t expect them to go back to Africa since no country would take them in but you could give them part of a state in the Deep South. There’s already so many areas there where blacks outnumber Whites by a wide margin. The most important thing is to not forget to build the fence!
Posted by at 6:49 PM on March 26
Just wait until the sealed records in the National Archives are opened later this century (along with JFK’s, et al).
Some of us may not see them, but those who are left….will.
Posted by Mike B. at 7:32 PM on March 26
“…while blacks took over the wealth-producing infrastructure. Wonder how it would have looked 20 years later?…”
Posted by at 8:18 PM on March 25
Look no further than Zimbawe or SA. Black were given an intact, working First World economy and infrastructure and have utterly destroyed them (and are in the process of destroying the Whites that built it as well).
Latest Daily news from SA:
“Picking the Whites off Daily - Hotel Manager Murdered”
“Rape Rampage - Police Appealed to Men to ‘Behave like Human Beings’”
“Farm Murder Tally Close on Reaching 3,000”
http://www.southafricasucks.blogspot.com/
And this is just the news from TODAY.
Latest word from Zim is that inflation is running 11,000% per year.
According to Discover the Network.org (about Zim’s dictator Mugabe):
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2139
“…Leninist, Anti-White, Anti-Western, Anti-Capitalist
Expropriated thriving white owned and run farms, murdering them and running them off their property, giving those farms to blacks, who burnt existing crops and produced nothing in return
Took his country from the breadbasket of Africa to the basket case of Africa…”
For closer examples (for those of us in the US) here are a few after pictures of Detroit:
http://www.white-history.com/hwrdet2b.htm
Bon
Posted by BonBon at 12:22 AM on March 27
The darkest days of American history are not those spoken of by Watkins, but those we have suffered since so many leaders have given this flawed charlatan any credilbility.
Posted by abc at 6:19 AM on March 27
Why is everyone so excited about this? King’s idea of a separate state would not be a return to Africa, but piece of the United States. And also, I believe King was just shooting his mouth off, for his handlers needed King and the blacks to create discension in the country’s social groups and a separate state would fail to achieve this.
Posted by SandyCSA at 11:23 AM on March 27
