Spain Govt Criticises Opposition Immigrant Plan
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Spain’s Socialist government on Thursday said opposition calls for immigrants to learn Spanish and respect Spanish customs were xenophobic, raising immigration issues ahead of next month’s national election.
Popular Party leader Mariano Rajoy said on Wednesday immigrants should sign a legally binding contract promising to integrate into Spanish society, a move compared here to plans backed by President Nicolas Sarkozy in France.
“Who’s going to say which customs are right or not?” Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba said at a news conference, calling the proposals “smoke with a whiff of xenophobia”.
Rajoy said immigrants would have to leave the country if they cannot find work after a year and will be expelled if they commit crimes. The end of a building boom is leaving Spain with a large population of unemployed foreigners for the first time.
Both major parties favour continuing immigration into Spain, and neither wants to see any reduction. The majority of economic immigrants are Moroccans, Latin Americans and Eastern Europeans.
Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, whose party is leading polls, said Rajoy’s proposals were unnecessary and pointed to his own efforts to expel illegal immigrants.
“For the past year-and-a-half we have been making a great effort on repatriation,” he said.
Immigration is a recent phenomenon in Spain, with an explosion in economic growth in the first half of the decade pushing the number of foreign residents to over 4 million for the first time in 2006, or about 9 percent of the population.
Although the influx has not heightened tensions to the degree seen in other Western European countries with high levels of foreign residents, Spaniards regularly rank “immigration” as one of their main worries in opinion polls.
The PP’s stance could set a dangerous precedent in the election campaign, said Mauricio Valiente, spokesman of the Spanish Commission for Help for Refugees.
“He’s trying to present a tough image against immigration, associating it with criminality. It’s a dangerous argument,” he said.
(Posted on February 8, 2008)
Comments
“Rajoy said immigrants would have to leave the country if they cannot find work after a year and will be expelled if they commit crimes.”
What - they aren’t going to let the unemployed use welfare, or fight extensive and costly legal battles to stay? Racist! RACIST!
“Both major parties favour continuing immigration into Spain, and neither wants to see any reduction. The majority of economic immigrants are Moroccans, Latin Americans and Eastern Europeans.”
Eastern Europeans and Moroccans - most of which are descended from Spanish “moriscoes” expelled after the Reconquista = are alright, though I’m not so certain on the “Latin Americans”.
Posted by Obscuratus at 5:56 PM on February 8
“Eastern Europeans and Moroccans - most of which are descended from Spanish “moriscoes” expelled after the Reconquista = are alright, though I’m not so certain on the “Latin Americans”.”
I thought Spain passed an immigration law some years ago to let anyone with at least one parent of Spanish descent immigrate into the country?
Posted by at 6:39 PM on February 8
“Both major parties favour continuing immigration into Spain, and neither wants to see any reduction. “
BOTH major parties? I could have thought they were referring to the USA!
What is this suicidal madness that has gripped every white, western country?
Posted by browser at 8:34 PM on February 8
“Who’s going to say which customs are right or not?” Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba said at a news conference, calling the proposals “smoke with a whiff of xenophobia”.
What a moron. Is Spain becoming a “proposition nation” now?
Posted by A Reader at 9:14 PM on February 8
During the Franco years, when Spain was poor, many Spaniards went abroad to work in France. There, the workers were “worked on” by the socialist labor union organizers, and even by Marxist priests who were assigned to work among the immigrants and guest-workers. They got drenched in Marxism. When they later returned home with their savings, they took back their new communist/socialist ideology along with them. It was anathema in Spain at the time.
Today, we see the outcome of this in the generation of their children who are now running Spain like any good French socialist would approve. Job well done!
Posted by ghw at 10:52 PM on February 8
Where in the world do people like Rubalcaba come from and who in the world empowers these people? Is there some weird hypnotic phenomenon taking place in every Western nation involving people losing their national identities? It is surreal.
Posted by Bobby at 1:30 AM on February 9
“What is this suicidal madness that has gripped every white, western country?”
Greed and lobbying.
Posted by at 2:56 AM on February 9
>>>“Who’s going to say which customs are right or not?” Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba said at a news conference, calling the proposals “smoke with a whiff of xenophobia”.
The “whiff” appears to be pot smoke that the Interior Minister might privately be inhaling. If immigrants can’t or won’t assimilate into the host country, they simply DO NOT BELONG THERE AND SHOULD BE DEPORTED! Lest they be a perpetual social problem and pose an unending disruptive presence in that country!
Posted by Fed Up at 7:51 AM on February 9
“Who’s going to say which customs are right or not?” Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba said at a news conference.
Here we see the effect of 60+ years of Cultural Marxism. Mr. Rubalcaba is submitting himself (and Spain’s culture) to immigrants.
It’s likely Mr. Rubalcaba truly believes what he says, making him the ideal “useful idiot” for the Marxist elite who run this world.
Posted by Mark Davidson at 11:52 AM on February 9
“Eastern Europeans and Moroccans - most of which are descended from Spanish “moriscoes” expelled after the Reconquista = are alright, though I’m not so certain on the “Latin Americans”.”
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Not meaning to be picky, but I have to correct you on this. Moroccans are NOT descended from Spaniards - not from Spaniards of any kind.
True, some moriscos were expelled and went to Morocco (mainly the ruling class was deported, not the peasants who were needed for agriculture), but do you think there was nobody in Morocco before that? And many of those moriscos already had Moorish blood anyway, after eight centuries of Islamic rule — especially those upper class members who had collaborated and “fitted in” with their Arab rulers. The number of morisco exiles from Spain would have been a very tiny percentage in the Moroccan population, and mostly concentrated in the extreme north at that (across from Spain).
No, Moroccans are not Spaniards.
Posted by ghw at 2:36 PM on February 9
Posted by Bobby at 1:30 AM on February 9
Where in the world do people like Rubalcaba come from and who in the world empowers these people? Is there some weird hypnotic phenomenon taking place in every Western nation involving people losing their national identities? It is surreal.
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Yes, there is a weird hypnotic phenomenon being delivered to every white nation.
check out:
http://www.legionofjoanofarc.blogspot.com
Posted by Alex at 6:33 PM on February 9
“Where in the world do people like Rubalcaba come from and who in the world empowers these people? Is there some weird hypnotic phenomenon taking place in every Western nation involving people losing their national identities? It is surreal.”
Posted by Bobby
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Yes, it seems surreal. But it’s real, Bobby! When I was last in Madrid, several years ago, I found the Madrid Central Library having a big exposition or book festival in honor of Susan Sontag. (She had recently died.) The government of Spain had awarded her the Prince of Asturias Prize, Spain’s highest literary honor. [He’s Spain’s equivalent of the Prince of Wales.] There were free booklets, and readings, and banners strewn above the street with her name and quotations from her works. To see the way she was being feted there, you would think she was the greatest American thinker and author of the Twentieth Century. Probably they think she was. She gets much greater acclaim abroad than she does here.
Of course, she was a Marxist, needless to say, so it’s all political. Marxists always praise and celebrate their own. It’s the same with Nobel Prize winners today. You have to be a lefty to win. If not, you haven’t a chance.
Remember, this Sontag is the same person who famously described the white race as “the cancer of history”. Is it any wonder that those brainwashed left-wingers who now run Spain are eager to import more of those wonderful, “vibrant” Third Worlders — to water down some of that shameful, cancerous whiteness that Europe is cursed with?
This would explain people like Rubalcaba and “where they come from.” And who motivates them. Have they been hypnotized, you ask? Well, something not far from it.
Posted by ghw at 8:20 PM on February 9
Susan Sontag was more than a Marxist. You’re glossing over too much here. She knew what was happening, and she was one of those helping to make it happen.
Posted by at 1:02 AM on February 10
“It’s likely Mr. Rubalcaba truly believes what he says, making him the ideal “useful idiot” for the Marxist elite who run this world.”
But what’s in it even for Marxists? After a complete breakdown in civilization, aka “Haiti”, what would be left to work with? Their own creed is sheer nihilistic nonsense.
Posted by Xenophon at 11:02 AM on February 10
How come us whites in the West are “racist” and “xenophobic” for wanting our native language, customs, and race to be dominant in our lands? Why are other races not worried about whether or not they’re “racist” or “bigots”? When will whites get some pride and their collective racial spines back? Oh! That’d first require the young white men to act like men, be patriotic and have more babies.
Posted by at 11:38 AM on February 10
I´m spaniard. in spain it happens the same in USA, the foreigners from morocco and east Europe are only the 10% population, but they do the 60% crimes. They dont want to learn spanish, and the occidental culture, they only comes to get money ,stolen and killing people.
Posted by spaniard at 2:29 PM on February 10
“But what’s in it even for Marxists? After a complete breakdown in civilization, aka “Haiti”, what would be left to work with? Their own creed is sheer nihilistic nonsense.”
Posted by Xenophon
They are zealots. Theirs is a kind of religious belief, a cult Of course if makes no sense. But you can’t reason with a cult.
Posted by at 4:36 PM on February 10
From
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=9F812EE1-7B53-4B2C-BEDB-F83FE181B81D
“You describe the Eloi, a tribe of “hedonistic narcissists” from H.G. Wells’s The Time Machine, who spend their days frolicking, sleeping, and enjoying life but are preyed upon at night by the Morlocks. They have no defense as they’ve become too docile to fight back. Are the Eloi reflective of today’s Europeans? To a lesser extent are they reflective of Americans as well?”
Posted by at 11:21 PM on February 10
“Are the Eloi reflective of todays Europeans and Americans”
Well for me personally, The thought of Yvette Mimieux with some Nigerian or Morrocan guy makes my hand curl slowly into a fist like shape…
Posted by Tim Mc Hugh at 11:21 AM on February 11
“the Eloi, a tribe of “hedonistic narcissists” …spend their days frolicking, sleeping, and enjoying life, but are preyed upon at night by the Morlocks. They have no defense, as they’ve become too docile to fight back. Are the Eloi reflective of today’s Europeans?
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That’s weird and chilling. It’s like Wells had some sort of strange prescience, a sense of what’s coming.
Posted by voter at 11:44 AM on February 11
The “weird hypnotic phenomenon being delivered to every white nation” is sociocultural Marxism (aka “political correctness”).
The sociocultural left have taken Antonio Gramsci’s advice and embarked on a “long [and highly successful, judged on their own terms] march through the institutions”. They are expecially prevalent in education and the media (powerful platforms from which to hypnotise the masses and - one of the rare insights from Chomsky - the “middle management” of the New World Order).
The only domain where the writ of the sociocultural left does not run is in the world of economics and business, where they have happily ceded control to the looniest fringe of the free-market right.
Posted by Johnny English at 11:59 AM on February 11
H.G. Wells, a devout Marxist, wrote non-fiction books as well like The New World Order and The Open Conspiracy. His other “science fiction” books, like The Time Machine and War of the Worlds, are just well disguised blueprints of the future - our very near future.
Posted by Ronin at 6:22 PM on February 11
The comments at 11:21PM about the Eloi, in H.G. Wells’s time machine woke me up. I swear, the Eloi are reflective of both many Americans and Europeans, when it comes to taking control of what is happening to them in their own societies. I read this book many times as a youth and was impressed by it. In support of my beliefs,a buddy of mine just came back from visiting with a tour group, Germany,France,Austria,and Switizerland. He told me that the Europeans he met, were all very nice people, but were utterly brainwashed by liberal ideas and essentially had an open society socialist bent. One example he gave me was an Austrian fellow he met in Vienna, who was ticked off because the California Governor Arnold S., an Austrian by birth, signed Tookie William’s death sentence. He felt sorry for poor “Tookie”.
Posted by Bobby at 6:43 PM on February 11
“UN figures indicate Spain’s birth rates are the lowest in the world, the Associated Press reports. Spanish women have an average of 1.07 children, but a 2.1 average is needed for a generation to replace itself, demographers say.
This from an AP report dated March 2000.
Spaniards are an endangered species.
Posted by Alan at 10:01 PM on February 11
“Who’s going to say which customs are right or not?” Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba said at a news conference, calling the proposals “smoke with a whiff of xenophobia”.
God Bless the ‘xenophobia’ of Ferdinand and Isabella, who drove the Hagarenes out of Christian Spain. From that expulsion, came Columbus, and the expansion of White Civilization to the New World. EVERYTHING that has followed from the founding of the USA, Canada, etc. has benefitted ALL, not just White Men.
And this is the answer to ‘which customs are right or not.’
Socialists are the most rabid Utopian dreamers there are…next to Democrats in the USA, voting for ‘change.’
Posted by Fr. John at 9:13 AM on February 12
I’m beginning to think the Spanish were better off under Franco.
Posted by at 3:55 PM on February 12
“The sociocultural left have taken Antonio Gramsci’s advice and embarked on a “long [and highly successful, judged on their own terms] march through the institutions”. They are expecially prevalent in education and the media (powerful platforms from which to hypnotise the masses and - one of the rare insights from Chomsky - the “middle management” of the New World Order). [excepting}… the world of economics and business, where they have happily ceded control to the looniest fringe of the free-market right.”
Posted by Johnny English
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I think that’s an excellent analysis. Thanks. We need more perceptive comments like that and less helpless whining about our sad condition. One thing I must grant the extreme left (and especially those who fund and abet them): they have a good sense of history. They take the long-term view. Their goals are not for this year, or this election, nor the next. They are patient, and willing to wait and work for many decades to achieve their goals. Even a lifetime or lifetimes. The things we are seeing coming to pass today were planned and placed on “the agenda” many years ago by today’s leftists’ grandparents. They have planned, and the right has not. Meanwhile, the “loony fringe of the free-market right” (so well put!) continues milling around in confusion and cannot see past the next election or the next corporate annual report. No wonder halfwits like the present puppet in the White House have zero compresantion of history and have never read a book. Those in charge like it that way.
Posted by ghw at 3:55 PM on February 12
[My friend] told me that the Europeans he met, were all very nice people, but were utterly brainwashed by liberal ideas and essentially had an open society socialist bent. …an Austrian fellow he met in Vienna was ticked off because California Gov. Arnold S., an Austrian by birth, signed Tookie William’s death sentence. He felt sorry for poor “Tookie”.
Posted by Bobby
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Your friend told you right. Bad as Americans are, Europeans are worse, as far as the brainwashing goes. They’re just farther down the road than we are. Some part of their brains has been paralyzed and cannot think logically. Nice people who cannot see their own self-interest.
Poor Tookie, indeed! And Mumia too, another big hero! In France they’ve even named a street for him.
Posted by ghw at 4:09 PM on February 12
Socialists are the most rabid Utopian dreamers there are…next to Democrats in the USA, voting for ‘change.’
Posted by Fr. John
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Yes, I notice those misguided white simpletons and “useful idiots” cheering at Obama rallies, enthusiastically waving their signs for “Change”. (What change?)
“Rapid utopian dreamers” .. that puts it very well. Beware those with good intentions for you!
“Change” is simple-minded babble that appeals to the brainwashed who don’t have to think. Just like “yes we can!” Can what?
“Change” is a subtle code-word that real leftists understand, and so do we, but which slips past 95% of starry-eyed white liberals who think they’re making a better world and have all the best intentions. Instead, they being used to dig their own graves. Do they have no idea at all what they’re doing?
I’d like to confront some of those do-gooder housewives and students from small-town Nebraska and North Dakota and ask them, “Exactly WHAT type of ‘change’ do you have in mind? Can you be EXPLICIT?” The word sounds good, but they’ve probably never given it two seconds of thought. They’ll only wake when it’s too late. That’s generally the case, as history proves
Posted by ghw at 4:36 PM on February 12
How come us whites in the West are “racist” and “xenophobic” for wanting our native language, customs, and race to be dominant in our lands? Why are other races not worried about whether or not they’re “racist” or “bigots”?
Good questions.
If ever you’re in an argument with an immigrant and he calls you a racist for not wanting to allow him to bring in millions more of his people, ask him these questions:
1) How multiracial is your home country?
In the rare case the answer is “yes,” continue on:
2) Is it a prosperous and desireable place to live?
3) Is it free and democratic?
If the answer is no, ask him:
4) Would you be willing to take in immigrants to the point where the native population became a racial/religious/political minority?
If he says “Sure, no big deal, then ask him:
5) Would you answer that question while connected to a polygraph?
Of course, maybe he would. Remember, the first thing so many Hispanics and blacks do when they get enough money is move out of their neighborhood and into a white one. Even they find living amonst whites more tolerable than living amongst their own.
Posted by Alan at 5:45 PM on February 12
“I’m beginning to think the Spanish were better off under Franco.”
Posted by at 3:55 PM
That depends.
Economically, they weren’t. But racially, they were.
Posted by at 4:14 PM on February 13
“I’m beginning to think the Spanish were better off under Franco”
That Depends.
Economically they weren’t. But racially they were.
Yes, but that’s just my point here. There are higher values then economics. And there are some things that you can’t measure with money. Would most AmReners accept a 5% decline in the standard of living to live in a 100% homogeneous country? Would you accept a 5% increase in your personal wealth if it meant the English language was extinguished in the U.S. and a foreign tongue substituted? Let’s suppose there were two small cities of 100,000. One all-White, another Non-White. You can live in the non-White city and make $3,000 more a year. Would it be worth it? What about cultural and social isolation? Isn’t that worth something? There are so many ways in which homogeneity are a benefit but it is hard to quantify into dollars and cents. I would argue that the Spanishness of Spain IS WORTH SOMETHING. It is a value, an asset, even if it can’t be sold like a commodity or raw material.
Posted by at 9:44 PM on February 14
“that’s just my point here. There are higher values than economics. And there are some things that you can’t measure with money. “
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Yes. And my point too. Most definitely! We fully agree.
But go tell that to our government. I should say our governments, which all seem to be run by businessmen and bankers, concerned only with “the bottom line” and profits. They see nothing else.
Of course, race is now completely unmentionable. And even defense of your national culture and language are becoming a delicate, nervous topic, in this age that celebrates multi-culture and diversity.
Posted by at 11:14 PM on February 15