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Anybody here shocked at this kind of behavior from blacks?
Didn’t think so.
Posted by SG at 5:46 PM on October 23
Just some more Black family values. And Blacks still can’t graph WHY we consider them a sociopathic failed race. It just HAS TO BE GENETIC. Those tired excuses — slavery, post-slavery discrimination, etc., etc. just don’t cut it anymore. But where, we might ask, is Al Sharpton or his comic sidekick, Jesse Jackson. They should be calling it a Black on Black Hate Crime, right?
Posted by Fed Up at 5:49 PM on October 23
Are stereotypes a bad thing?
Posted by A Reader at 6:09 PM on October 23
The picture says it all. We are often told that blacks who behave like this are poor or too young to understand the consequences of their actions. How can you possibly explain a grandmother holding people back so that her granddaughter can stab someone to death? I also found the names in this story fascinating: Demesha, Yulonda, Phenique, Quentia? Anyone who would give their child such a ridiculous name is obviously mentally deficient.
Posted by Conrad R. at 6:38 PM on October 23
All I want to know is, what sort of name is “Phenique”?
Posted by sofita at 7:14 PM on October 23
She has that same vacant eyed expression you see so many times in the black trouble makers. The names alone in the article are enough to tell you what kind of neighborhood it is.
Posted by Spartan24 at 7:15 PM on October 23
Three generations of a family’s women all going down for murder: is this more of the “strong family values” we whites are constantly told that the noble Diversitoids possess in such quantity?
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 7:15 PM on October 23
See, they’re just like White Folks: Hatfields vs. McCoys.
Seriously though, this would make a great TV series and for those
with serious chutzpah, a reality show. Why not, as Sumner Red-
stone said, they have the money. Let’s get photos of the Ma and
Grandma and see if we can run with this. Half Pint-that’s just
too rich. Now I remember-Little House on the Prarie! We could h
have a single House in the Hood surrounded by burned out lots to
give it that prarie feel.
Posted by Eric the Red at 7:20 PM on October 23
Sounds like the Jena 6 thugs. Blacks are increasingly becoming an obvious threat to a civilized White nation. Something has to be done. This happens all the time across the nation. We just don’t hear about it. A Black mother did the same her where I live. Drove her 14 year old to beat up a 13 year old and stood there and egged the fight on. Even on video… They were Katrina transplants into our city…..
Posted by at 7:22 PM on October 23
The Cuyahoga County Prosecutor is charging the 17 year old as an adult. Will the Reverends organize a march to protest this injustice?
There are two other culprits in this sad tale who are getting away with, well, murder. They are the knife manufacturers and the SUV salesman. They are as culpable as are the Hollimans’.
A peace vigil was held last night at the scene of this tragedy. Coincidentally the Hollimans’ burned down an hour later.
Posted by William Hendershot at 7:36 PM on October 23
“Grandma wielded a stun gun. Mom used pepper spray. The teenager, known as “Half Pint,” brandished a steak knife.”
Up in Detroit they call that a fambly reeyoon’n.
Posted by Robert Kelly at 7:38 PM on October 23
“Half-Pint [Lesleye] got out of the truck and said, ‘Don’t try to run now,’” Phenique, Demesha’s friend, said. “The mother and the grandmother got out and started punching Demesha’s older sister, Quentia Wagner, 17. Demesha tried to defend her sister.
Its a good thing you included a picture of the perpetrator I would never have assumed she was black. I mean such names and behaviors are just as common among white people.But seriuosly we all know the makeup of mens prisons are 50 per cent filled with black men. I wonder what percentage of womens prisons are filled with black women.
Posted by Tony Soprano at 8:33 PM on October 23
You see, with names like Denisha, Phenique and Lesleye the unwed momma is trying to send a message to the world that “No, MY baby is different, she ain’t gonna be like the other peoples ‘round here!”
Momma, a made up name derived from the spillage of a Scrabble game or an attention deficit interpretation of the Alphabet is not going to save your bastard child from a futile life of welfare and poverty.
By re-arranging the alphabet in order to come up with a unique name for your bastard child you merely solidify my preconception that your “peeps” are dangerous. It is as if you are trying to cover up the incredible devastation your children have wrought upon this planet by merely re-naming them in such a way that other races get an immediate “feel good” impression that this person perhaps is not like the others that preceded.
I gotta thank you tho. It makes it much easier for me to distinguish who is black and who is not when I view the nightly news, if they dare report it. They rarely show pictures of the perp.
Posted by Regular White Guy at 8:53 PM on October 23
I think Sally Field said it best at the recent awards ceremony: “If mothers ran the world, there would be no %^&* war!”
Posted by Tony S at 9:25 PM on October 23
The apple never falls very far from the tree.
Posted by at 9:53 PM on October 23
I love the crazy names. Imagine going through life with names like that. If only that creativity could be put to better use.
Posted by at 10:10 PM on October 23
“The Department of Children and Family Services has a long history with the Holliman family, agency Director Jim McCafferty said.”
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Oh, I bet they have. Tribal “family values” in action.
Ole Deadeye, excuse me, Lesleye, looks as though she was raised on a diet of broken glass.
I’m surprised she and her sista (Campho) Phenique didn’t attack their mamas for sticking them with such….errr…”ethnic” names.
Posted by BlueEyedAnglo at 10:14 PM on October 23
What a little cutie. Wonder what she’ll be in life. A ballerina?
A fashion designer? A thoughtful caring nurse with a warm bedside manner? Well, whatever she becomes, I’m sure it will greatly benefit our society. I see a very promising future for her.
Posted by Jus' Me at 10:24 PM on October 23
These “people” illustrate what some have indirectly referred to as a genetic proclivity to violence by some racial groups. 15 years ago, Dr Fred Goodwin MD Director of the National Institute of Mental Health, wanted to do research with the goal of curbing such violence. He was, of course, denounced as a racist and forced to resign, just as James Watson, was silenced when he attempted to present scientific facts. Facts and scientific findings cannot be “racist”.
Posted by Joe Hamilton at 10:28 PM on October 23
Someone tell me what happened to the Cleveland in which I grew up; I’d like to move back, but I can see that it’s gotten even uglier than usual.
Posted by Jacqui in AZ at 11:26 PM on October 23
I was at the Home Depot on E. 200th st yesterday. 140th st is East Cleveland/Cleveland Heights on the north east side of town. It’s a nasty, ugly, downtrodden, dirty, third world part of Cleveland. It’s exactly the same as Homewood Pittsburgh, Baltimore City, and SouthEast DC, all places I’ve personally worked and seen the depravities blacks commit on each other. There is a marked difference between Whites east of the Alleghenys and those west - those on the west side are a bit more laid back and friendlier, those east are high-strung and suspicious. Blacks are blacks. There is no difference in inner-city blacks. They’re wild and brutish.
What’s interesting is that the stabbed girl, Domesha? 15, was a freshman and wanted to be a cheerleader. According to WEWS, the grandma was 58, the mom was 32, the daughter was 17. Mom had daughter when she was 15 - a complete family breakdown. The 4th person arrested was a 19 year old male cousin. Why was he riding around with a bunch of women looking to beat up a 15 year old girl?
WKYC is reporting a candlelit vigil was held Monday night for the murdered girl: “The large crowd is asking why this happened and is it possible that that suspects mother was a part of this violent crime.” WOIO had a pronounciation guide.
I’d pay reparations if they’d go back to Africa.
Posted by williams the plumber at 11:38 PM on October 23
when i first became a bar bouncer i was a trained in the job by an ex policemen and soldier from south africa. the scene above is almost exactly like the things he talked about seeing in the homelands. ah……the sweet smell of diversity
Posted by wildcolonialboy at 12:18 AM on October 24
I was just thinking this morning that the breakdown of black neighborhoods may not be due to lack of strong male figures, but of the propensity of the MOTHERS and women to be dysfunctional, and to lead their kids into this kind of behavior. As violent and awful as some black men can be, as a woman, I have routinely experienced as bad or worse from the females.
It makes me wonder if they blame black dysfunction on the men, when it’s really that the women are as bad or worse. After all, who are the women who raised these dysfunctional men??
Posted by at 1:06 AM on October 24
I left my usual comment (with the AmRen link) at the source site as always. It always amuses me to see which papers/blogs/sites, etc. leave my comments up and which ones take them down (and how fast they take them down).
As a friend of mine has always said, “Look Mike, you’ve got to give these people about 10,000 years more of evolution.”
My retort to him always is, “You sure you wouldn’t like to amend that up to 25 thousand?”
Posted by Mike B. at 1:25 AM on October 24
If these had been white folks, FOXNEWS, and especially that dimwit Greta Van Susteren, would have been all over it…
Posted by RJS at 1:49 AM on October 24
I didn’t see any mention of the fathers of these young sweeties or husbands etc., where are they? Oh, they be incarcerated.
Posted by abc at 5:24 AM on October 24
The most eye opening article that I have ever read about black/White relations is at the following site. You will have to scroll to the bottom and click on older posts. This will bring up an article, Déjà Vu - or - DO YOU WANT ONIONS WITH THAT? There is an aspect of race relations discussed there that I have never seen on Amren.
http://lasucksbigtime.blogspot.com/
Posted by Henry Stanton at 5:37 AM on October 24
What? this wasn’t all over the news? Why not? Why didn’t the race hustler reverends go there and create a fuss?
We all know why.
Posted by at 6:19 AM on October 24
The families who stab together, wish someone would have had a video camera, CNN could have aired this little event and did a special, showing the effects of white devils hanging nooses everywhere, Oh, the horrors those nooses are causing.
Posted by O. J. at 6:29 AM on October 24
First time I read about this and the national TV news, ABC NBC CBS did not cover it, that is why I do not trust the national news any more if that had been a white family it would have been the lead story on the news. Shows you how biased and anti white the news is now.
Posted by at 6:50 AM on October 24
Now that Demesha, Yulonda, and Phenique have been taken, there is a need for new names.
I would like to offer the following names for consideration for the next generation of diverse children who will enrich our neighborhoods:
1. Niffinya
2. Stabbinya
3. Murdrinya
4. Demolishya
5. Igottcha
6. Youbededmofo
Posted by Reader-1 at 7:03 AM on October 24
Part of the story here is that it is a story, we would only hear comments from Cleveland Police officers and emergency room workers about the crimes committed on the “east side”. For years, this type of tale was covered up by the MSM, but a local TV station, channnel 19 started a tabloid type of newcasting, covering every sordid crime. The other media outlets were forced to cover these crimes or look like complete fools.
Well, since busing the entire city is the “east side”, and that great purveyor of diversity, The Cleveland Plain Dealer is forced to admit that diversity may not be our greatest asset. I would love to see them run one of those full-paged ads opposite this story.
Posted by William Hendershot at 7:11 AM on October 24
Really,hardly surprising. I’m not shocked at some of these black parents who are on the mental level of about a 12-year-old, joining in their kid’s fights/crimes.
Posted by at 7:48 AM on October 24
Always the same thing. That spaced-out, deer caught in the headlights, there’s nothing going on upstairs here, vacant, empty stare. Always a totally ridiculous idiotic name. Never a strong Black male father around. It’s always the same thing.
Posted by at 8:03 AM on October 24
Tony Soprano: I don’t know about any other states, but here in GA, the last I knew, womens’ prisons were 70% black. The bleeding-heart liberal Atlanta rag printed an article 5 yrs. ago about a white woman who was in prison for killing a man while she was driving drunk(he was a passenger in another car). The witch thought her 10-yr.-sentence was too strict(in fact, it was far too lenient) and snivelled that she was a “victim of racism” because the the blacks in the prison ganged up on the whites. The percentage was quoted. The rag violated its principle of making black thugs out to be victims and instead portrayed a white woman who was essentially a murderer to be a victim. Either way, it’s a disgusting newspaper.
Posted by Cindy at 8:09 AM on October 24
>>> also found the names in this story fascinating: Demesha, Yulonda, Phenique, Quentia? Anyone who would give their child such a ridiculous name is obviously mentally deficient.
Now you will understand the Black outrage over Dr. Watson’s comment that Black intelligence generally is LOWER than that of Whits. Along with the lunatic fringe White liberals having apoplexy over what Dr. Watson stated.
WHY? Well, because EVERY crime like this by Blacks tends to corroborate and support Dr. Watson’s findings. And predictably, there will be another similar crime like this tomorrow, the next dsy or next week — BY BLACKS!
Blacks and crime-prone criminal mentality are as inseparable as ice and cold. An awareness that is 100% accurate and 100% politically incorrect. LOL!
Posted by Fed Up at 8:12 AM on October 24
sofita asked: “All I want to know is, what sort of name is “Phenique”?”
I bet it’s her middle name, and her first name is “Campho.”
Posted by at 9:08 AM on October 24
I come down a lot on the press for being liberally biased, but you have to hand it to the write of this story: the lead left no grey area as to the horror of this crime and the culpability of the dysfunctional family. Then they ran a photo. Give credit where it is due.
Posted by Tony S at 9:27 AM on October 24
Are we supposed to act shocked? Or is it just another one of those ho-hum stories about blacks who can’t control themselves.
Posted by Gayle at 10:30 AM on October 24
The only thing lacking is two mothers, instead of the usual one, lamenting that her daughter was Just Getting Her Life Together when some inexplicable force of nature caused her to commit a crime.
Posted by Cassiodorus at 11:09 AM on October 24
It’s a shame Ohio doesn’t have a “stand your ground” law like those in Florida, Colorado and several other states. These laws also allow persons to defend a 3rd party with deadly force if necessary. So under this law, a bystander with a gun could have legally blown Ma and Grandma away, then if darling little Lesleye still didn’t back down, blown her away as well. (The family that fights together, dies together.) About the only thing more idiotic than bringing a knife to a gunfight would be bringing pepper spray or a Taser to a gunfight.
And “Spartan24” truly hit the nail on the head regarding the photo. A classic example of that blank “the lights are on but no one is home” look so common among feral blacks.
Posted by Strider at 11:14 AM on October 24
The feeling of many Americans is that as long as their doing it to themselves is OK, but the records shows blacks are just as dangerous to whites, if not more so because of the gratuitous hatred of whites.
In the once great city of Cleveland, Ohio, in late April of 1994, two white girls, Lillie M Kelly and her friend, tried to buy some food at Taco Bell’s on Cleveland’s formerly white and safe far west side. They got into a shouting match with a black employee, the sister of the manager. The best guess is that they exchanged calling each other a white and black “B”. The manager, 5’10’ 200 pound Lynette Fagain, joined the argument out in the parking lot. After a while they separated, the white girls crossed the street, the blacks back into the closed restaurant.
Then Lynette Fagain came back out of the restaurant and called the two unsatisfied customers back for more argument, only Kelly returned.
After a short exchange Fagain returned to the restaurant, got a knife, came back out, and called Kelly back. She did not stay away. Fagain stabbed her in the heart and went back inside to clean the knife. Kelly’s friend said that Fagain’s sister came out and stood over the mortally wounded Kelly, looked down at her and shouted, “You got what you deserve, on the east side you’d been shot” And then kicked the dying Kelly in the head.
A white man spoke with the murderer Fagain in the doorway of the restaurant, she told him, “No one talks to my sister that way.” Cleveland police and officials assured us that it was not a racial hate crime. Fagain got fifteen to life.
Parents tell their children, “Don’t run into the street.” But foolish white parents do not tell their children, “Stay away from blacks.”
Curious about the boy riding with the murdering gals, read about the suspect in double murder Anthony Holliman at (http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/10/man_arrested_in_knife_attack_a.html)
Posted by P Noctura at 11:47 AM on October 24
That posted commment: “the lighs are on, but no one is home” speaks eloquently for SO MANY Blacks. Say what you will, while there are thousands of success stories among Blacks growing up in poverty, there are literally MILLIONS who are absolutely worthless — measured against real human beings.
Hell, you can amend that to apply to virtually all African or African-descended people, all over the world. That incredible brutish mentality is behind the Darfur mess we incessantly hear about on NPR Bleeding Hearts of America Radio. Behind the slaughter, mutilations, torture, EVEN CANNIBALISTIC — acts of wanton cruelity and bestiality which are so much a part of those interminable civil and tribal wars in “modern” Africa.
Even the Africans who moved to Europe tend to still be like that. Which those mutilated corpses of children found in the Thams (London, England, cocker, in case you’re geographically challenged). Oh, sorry. Specific body parts ‘donated’ by those dead child victims were needed for Black magic rituals.
Poor Dr. Watson simply doesn’t realize HOW UTTERLY RIGHT he is! I said it above, repeat it here: EVERY crime, every gross act like that murder above, by that utterly dysfunctional family of sociopaths — simply goes to emphasize and underscore the TRUTH IN DR. WATSON’S FINDINGS! Let the damned liberals rant and rave against perceived racism all they want. Those of us with brains and the guts to admit what we know — we’ll continue to say and think as we damn well please. You could call a toadstool an apple all you want — but a toadstool will forever be a toadstool.
The reality (truth) behind Dr. Watson’s statement has been, will be demonstrated by Africans forever. By their actions. By their mentality. Whether in Africa, or anywhere in the world they aggregate.
Posted by Fed Up at 1:17 PM on October 24
“Lesleye Holliman,17, is accused in the stabbing of 15-year-old Demesha Sharp.Grandma wielded a stun gun. Mom used pepper spray. The teenager, known as “Half Pint,” brandished a steak knife.”
They used a stun gun and pepper spray. That’s certainly a giant advancement in sophistication from the old-fashioned straight razor/ice-pick assault. I think it must have something to do with the “Flynn effect.”
Posted by TG at 1:55 PM on October 24
P Noctura:
I used to live on the west side of Cleveland, in Amherst, and then North Ridgeville. I was 12 when this happened, but I don’t remember it; where did this happen, and what happened to the survivors, and the perp?
Posted by Jacqui in AZ at 3:27 PM on October 24
Here are some other possible names for “enrichment” and “diversity” : Sulfodene (boy’s name) Metamucil (girl’s name), Tegrin (boy’s name) and Tylenol Jones!
Posted by at 6:57 PM on October 24
Tony Soprano: I don’t know about any other states, but here in GA, the last I knew, womens’ prisons were 70% black……..You sir must have been reading my mind. The 70% number was exactly what I was thinking when I was writing my comment.AMREN needs to do a story about black women in prison.Oh we had an incident a few year ago where the police shot a knife wielding 13 year old black girl.
Posted by Tony Soprano at 7:29 PM on October 24
A few other interesting points: Local talk radio is approaching this from every angle, except the most obvious, race. The local am talk guy said “IQ is evenly spread around the city, it’s a matter of morals.” The father issue (lack of) seems to also take some blame.
The PD showed a photo of the mandatory candle light vigil manned by the tearful Africans, after which they burned down the defendants house. Since everyone seemed amazed by the names, the photo showed the picture of a mourner called E’Lexus. That was her name. No mention of E’Lexus’s involvment in the arson.
With all this crime I’m working on a business plan to franchise stores to set up memorials (Teddy Bears, balloons, flowers, that type of thing). I have to figure out a way for the government to pay for it, but whoever gets the Detroit franchise has got a gold mine.
Posted by William Hendershot at 7:36 PM on October 24
There is an aspect of race relations discussed there that I have never seen on Amren.
http://lasucksbigtime.blogspot.com/
Posted by Henry Stanton at 5:37 AM on October 24
Henry, the post on that blog that you mentioned is true. It is also true that you never see this aspect of race relations mentioned. I think it’s one of those things that is so out in the open that no one bothers to comment on it. Fascinating. Thank you for posting the link. There are several articles by the blogger that are absolute classics. He is a bit raw at times but he is also telling the God’s honest truth. America is now a scary place.
Posted by White Man in CA at 9:59 PM on October 24
“It makes me wonder if they blame black dysfunction on the men, when it’s really that the women are as bad or worse”
Frankly, black male or female, it’s just the black mentality. It knows no gender.
Posted by at 8:44 AM on October 25
“in late April of 1994, two white girls, Lillie M Kelly and her friend, tried to buy some food at Taco Bell’s on Cleveland’s formerly white and safe far west side… Fagain stabbed her (Lillie) in the heart and went back inside to clean the knife.”
I remember this story. I was living in Ohio at the time and we got the Cleveland news. They showed video of the drive thru saying, “this is where a customer at the drive thru was killed by a Taco Bell employee”. It was a big story, perhaps in part because of the oddity. I always assumed she was sitting in her car and stabbed thru the window. This was a big story for a week maybe but I never learned the killer was black and the victim white. Chalk another one up for the liberal media.
I never heard the killers statement was, “no one talks to my sister that way” either, or that the killers sister kicked Lillie in the head, shouting, “You got what you deserve, on the east side you’d been shot” … As plenty of whites are on the east side, I’m forced to assume.
Posted by at 11:01 AM on October 25
Phenique is actually a brand of perfume sold at Lord & Taylor. It’s right next to the counter thta sells Clinique.
Posted by Carl at 4:48 PM on October 25
In every society in every historic period, males are more criminally inclined than females of the same ethnicity by a per capita ratio of at least ten times.
Statistics in the USA show that White males and black females are convicted of serious offences at roughly the same per capita rate.
Posted by Kenelm Digby at 6:16 AM on October 26
There was a crime reported by my local paper (Raleigh News & Observer) last year whereby a white grandmother shopping with her daughter and grandbaby was shoved to the ground outside the store by a black shopper, hit her head and later died from the trauma. This reportedly followed an “altercation” (probably the white woman had the gall to say something following brutish behavior) inside the store, and doubless was used to justify the crime. If I recall, the black female perp received a ten-year sentence.
I’ve tried to find a link but was unsuccessful, but if anyone recalls more details especially where it happened (maybe Raleigh), please post it.
Posted by Voir Dire at 10:32 AM on October 27
“tatistics in the USA show that White males and black females are convicted of serious offences at roughly the same per capita rate.”
Which statistics?
Posted by at 1:09 PM on October 28
“I was just thinking this morning that the breakdown of black neighborhoods may not be due to lack of strong male figures, but of the propensity of the MOTHERS and women to be dysfunctional, and to lead their kids into this kind of behavior”
I have always thought this. I also quite understand why black men won’t live with black women. Working with black women is bad enough, a nightmare. Can you imagine trying to raise kids and manage a household with a black women?
Think of the problems black women cause where you work, arguing about every little thing. Looking for things to argue and cause a fuss about rather than doing what needs to be done. Then think about spending a weekend with them trying to organize some household project or just getting the errands done.
When I was a Probation Officer the mammas were always around, even though the thugs were adults. But they were young and still lived at home in the projects with mamma.
The black mammas positively rejoiced that their black thug sons raped, beat, robbed and murdered Whites and Asians. It was always the White victim’s fault. “Da ol lady sho nevah cawwy a puse, it jus too much temptation, she shou know dat.” “Effen huh hip so bad, why foh she be walkin arun?” “She so weak why she doan stick to home.”
And of course many of these young thugs still had the scars from whipping cords all over their bodies. And many had long records with social services because black women love to beat and whip their children.
Posted by at 5:09 PM on October 31
5:09 PM POSTER:
A very thoughtful and insightful post. I work at a very large corporation and am surrounded by Black women. Working with them is an absolute nightmare. They do virtually no work, but complain about everything. None of them are even REMOTELY attractive. I can’t imagine what it would be like to come home to these women at the end of the day.
Posted by at 6:00 PM on November 1
Wow! There are some angry people out there. Are black people really that bad? I know there are some bad ones out there who have no sense of how to act in civillized society, but can you provide examples of any black men or women who are smart, intelligent, respectfull and a pleasure to be around?
Posted by Brian Tabb at 2:14 PM on November 5
